1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 29 Apr 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 236       Contents:0 Re: Anti-spam features of TCPIP Services for VMS Bug in f$search  Re: Bug in f$search  Re: Bug in f$search  Re: Bug in f$search  Re: Bug in f$search ' Configuring FTP service On Open VMS 7.1 + Re: Configuring FTP service On Open VMS 7.1 + Re: Configuring FTP service On Open VMS 7.1 + Re: Configuring FTP service On Open VMS 7.1 ! Dual Powerstorm issues with DS20e % Re: Dual Powerstorm issues with DS20e 5 HELP: Running Out Of Vitrual Memory When Compiling... 9 Re: HELP: Running Out Of Vitrual Memory When Compiling... 9 Re: HELP: Running Out Of Vitrual Memory When Compiling... 9 Re: HELP: Running Out Of Vitrual Memory When Compiling... $ Re: I learned about VMS from that...$ Re: I learned about VMS from that...H Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!  Re: Johnny English is a VMS user  Re: Johnny English is a VMS user  Re: Johnny English is a VMS user  Re: Johnny English is a VMS user  Re: Johnny English is a VMS user  Re: Johnny English is a VMS user  Re: Johnny English is a VMS user& Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solaris& Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solaris& Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solaris& Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solaris6 Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!6 Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!6 Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!# Re: OpenVMS on non-HP Itanium boxes D Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for MarvelandP Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai= Possible Memory Problems with VMS running multi-language code A Re: Possible Memory Problems with VMS running multi-language code A Re: Possible Memory Problems with VMS running multi-language code = Problem in opening an Ingres session through EQUEL statements ) Re: Question on logical name PSM$ANNOUNCE  RZ26-B in the real world Re: RZ26-B in the real world RE: RZ26-B in the real world Re: RZ26-B in the real world Re: RZ26-B in the real world RE: RZ26-B in the real world Re: RZ26-B in the real world Re: RZ26-B in the real world RE: RZ26-B in the real world Re: RZ26-B in the real world Re: RZ26-B in the real world Re: RZ26-B in the real world RE: RZ26-B in the real world Re: RZ26-B in the real world Re: RZ26-B in the real world Shareware: txt2pdf 6.5 Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMS
 Re: VMS 7.3-1 D Want VMS on Opteron?  The Emerald (Prism/Mica) stuff is still there!  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:23:22 -0400 - From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> 9 Subject: Re: Anti-spam features of TCPIP Services for VMS 0 Message-ID: <3EAEB50A.EEB7999E@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   JF Mezei wrote: 5 > Silly me, it is in SYTS$LIBRARY:TCPIP$TEMPLATES.TLB   B The file above (without the typo) does indeed exist on my systems.  F I have resolved my relay problem too.  It turns out that errors in theM Good-Clients list results in an open relay.  I had entered 192.168.*.* rather N than 192.168.0.0/16, apparently because my memory doesn't last long enough forO the drive home.  This problem was obvious from my TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG files N which warned of no MX record for 192.168.*.*.  Entering the correct IP address4 format engages the anti-spam features as documented.    Thanks JF and all who responded.    - JB    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2003 06:55:41 -0700  From: nmanser@progis.de (Manser) Subject: Bug in f$search= Message-ID: <2178d61f.0304290555.23a033a8@posting.google.com>    Hi vms users  B I wrote the fiollowing command procedure, to delete all files that match a @ selection critera, but for deleting all files i schould run this	 procedure  multiple times. F the f$search ("directory:*.ext") does not pick all files that macz the selection criteria.    Here is the code    	 $set noon  $blks_allo = 0 $wo :="write sys$output" $node = f$getsyi ("nodename")  $if node .eqs. "VMAL06" .or. -     node .eqs. "VMAL02" .or. -     node .eqs. "VMAL04"  $then 9 $  define klima$datei DISK$USER:[MANSER.ARBEIT.global...] > $  set def DISK$USER:[MANSER.DATENBANK.ORACLE_RDBMS.KLIMA_NEU] $else C $  define klima$datei DISK$USER:[MANSER.DATENBANK.ORACLE.KLIMA_NEU]  $  set def klima$datei $endif $param1 = "" $count  = 0  $del_cnt = 0 $param3 = 0  $param4 = "" $LOOP: $!C $ device = f$parse (f$search ("klima$datei:*.html_tmp"),,,"device")  $ directory = f$parse (f$search ) ("klima$datei:*.html_tmp"),,,"directory") ? $ file = f$parse (f$search ("klima$datei:*.html_tmp"),,,"name")  $ if file .eqs. "" $ then; $   wo "Es wurden ''count' zu bearbeitende Dateien gefunden  ''f$time()'". $   wo "Es wurden ''del_cnt' Dateien gelscht" $   goto the_end $ else $   count = count + 1 / $   wo "Ich bearbeite klima$datei:''file'.html" C $   param1 = "''device'" + "''directory'" + "''file'" + ".html_tmp" ! $   param4 = "''dbfile'" + ".com" 0 $   blks_allo = f$file_attributes (param1,"ALQ") $   if blks_allo .le. 57 $   then $     del_cnt = del_cnt + 1 : $     wo "Lschen von Datei ''param1' grsse ''blks_allo'"! $     delete/noconf/log 'param1'; 	 $   endif  $ endif  $ goto loop 	 $the_end:  $sts = $status	 $exit sts  $fehler: $sts = $status  $write sys$output f$message(sts)
 $goto the_end      i am running alpha VMS 7.3    0 Have anyone experienced some of these problems ?   Nazim Manser   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:02:08 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: Bug in f$search; Message-ID: <01KVB09CO54KA9SJ2F@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   J > I wrote the fiollowing command procedure, to delete all files that matchD > a selection critera, but for deleting all files i schould run thisJ > procedure multiple times. the f$search ("directory:*.ext") does not pick. > all files that macz the selection criteria.   H Without looking into the code, my guess is that you need to make use of # the stream-id.  See HELP LEX F$SEA.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:07:16 -0500  From: brandon@dalsemi.com  Subject: Re: Bug in f$search1 Message-ID: <03042909071651@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    In German no less...  E > $ device = f$parse (f$search ("klima$datei:*.html_tmp"),,,"device") K > $ directory = f$parse (f$search ("klima$datei:*.html_tmp"),,,"directory") A > $ file = f$parse (f$search ("klima$datei:*.html_tmp"),,,"name")   M For starters, I would suggest that you remove the multiple search streams and  have only one search stream:  6 $ res_filespec = f$search ("klima$datei:*.html_tmp",0). $ device = f$parse ( res_filespec ,,,"device")4 $ directory = f$parse ( res_filespec ,,,"directory")* $ file = f$parse ( res_filespec ,,,"name")   John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:30:45 -0500  From: brandon@dalsemi.com  Subject: Re: Bug in f$search1 Message-ID: <03042909304506@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   O > For starters, I would suggest that you remove the multiple search streams and  > have only one search stream: > 8 > $ res_filespec = f$search ("klima$datei:*.html_tmp",0)0 > $ device = f$parse ( res_filespec ,,,"device")6 > $ directory = f$parse ( res_filespec ,,,"directory"), > $ file = f$parse ( res_filespec ,,,"name")  F I would also add a end-of-stream check immediately after the f$search:  6 $ res_filespec = f$search ("klima$datei:*.html_tmp",0)( $ if ( res_filespec .eqs. "" ) then exit     John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2003 15:41:45 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> Subject: Re: Bug in f$search5 Message-ID: <20030429154145.1183.qmail@gacracker.org>   1 On 29 Apr 2003, nmanser@progis.de (Manser) wrote:    <snip>  G >the f$search ("directory:*.ext") does not pick all files that macz the  >selection criteria.  J Actually, as the documentation Phillip suggests you look at will tell you, it does match all files.   >Here is the code    <snip>   Here's the problem...   D >$ device = f$parse (f$search ("klima$datei:*.html_tmp"),,,"device")I >$ directory = f$parse (f$search("klima$datei:*.html_tmp"),,,"directory") @ >$ file = f$parse (f$search ("klima$datei:*.html_tmp"),,,"name")  H You get one file for device, another file for directory, and a third for file.   H The right way to do this is the same as reading a flat file. Because DCLJ lacks a WHILE construct, you could get away with doing the F$SEARCH as theG first action inside your loop. Personally, I'd use an initial F$SEARCH, H handling for no matches, then an F$SEARCH before looping back to process the next match.   ) See if the following template is any use.    $!( $ search_spec = "klima$datei:*.html_tmp" $!$ $ filespec = F$SEARCH( search_spec ) $ IF filespec .EQS. "" $ THEN $!) $      <processing for no matching files>  $! $      GOTO LOOP_BYPASS  $ ENDIF  $! $LOOP: $!2 $    device    = F$PARSE( filespec, , , "DEVICE" )5 $    directory = F$PARSE( filespec, , , "DIRECTORY" ) 0 $    file      = F$PARSE( filespec, , , "NAME" ) $! $      <additional processing> $!' $    filespec = F$SEARCH( search_spec ) ( $    IF filespec .NES. "" THEN GOTO LOOP $!
 $LOOP_BYPASS:  $!     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net K                                                    http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2003 23:14:53 -0700. From: shakeelj2k@yahoo.com (shakeel-ur-rehman)0 Subject: Configuring FTP service On Open VMS 7.1= Message-ID: <cb950e29.0304282214.31d8ccf2@posting.google.com>   E I am new one to Open VMS .I have DEC Alpha 433au with Open VMS 7.1. I E wants to transfer file on the internet through FTP.I still only  have F installed US robotics Modem (external).No browser.what other things doD i need to install/configure FTP service on Open VMS 7.1. what thingsF should i check that must be installed before sending file through FTP.0 any help regarding this will be high appreciated     Shakeel-ur-rehman    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:01:55 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: Re: Configuring FTP service On Open VMS 7.13 Message-ID: <Drpra.69057$v62.749799@news.chello.at>   n In article <cb950e29.0304282214.31d8ccf2@posting.google.com>, shakeelj2k@yahoo.com (shakeel-ur-rehman) writes: >I am new one to Open VMS   . Then welcome to god's own operating system ;-)   Start to see. the VMS homepage	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ the VMS doc		http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/ A the VMS FAQ	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html   F >                           .I have DEC Alpha 433au with Open VMS 7.1.  H Consider upgrading to the latest and greatest version of OpenVMS: V7.3-1, (soon to be V7.3-2). It is worth the effort.  A What layered (and 3rd party) products do you own/have-installed ?   I >                                                                       I 4 >wants to transfer file on the internet through FTP.  I As long as you have a working TCP/IP stack (UCX/TCPIP, TCPware, Multinet)  it is a simple task to do this.   H >                                                     I still only  have( >installed US robotics Modem (external).  
 What for ?  5 >                                         No browser.   H You could download and install MOZILLA V1.3 (or 1.4 beta), SWB (formerlyK called CSWB) V1.2-1 (which is based on MOZILLA V1.2-1) , NETSCAPE V3.03gold + and LYNX (a text-only full-screen browser).   A >                                            what other things do 9 >i need to install/configure FTP service on Open VMS 7.1.   , OpenVMS, TCP/IP stack and knowlegde/patience  F >                                                          what thingsG >should i check that must be installed before sending file through FTP. 1 >any help regarding this will be high appreciated    $ PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:30:56 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: Configuring FTP service On Open VMS 7.1) Message-ID: <3EAE2A15.F3EACAFA@istop.com>    shakeel-ur-rehman wrote:F > i need to install/configure FTP service on Open VMS 7.1. what thingsH > should i check that must be installed before sending file through FTP.2 > any help regarding this will be high appreciated  A Go to the www.openvms.compaq.com web site and choose teh "openvms E documentation". There, look for the PDF version of the TCPIP Services ' management Guide (or reference manual).   I To configure FTP, you need to @SYS$MANABER:TCPIP$CONFIG from a privileged J account (usually SYSTEM). This will enable a basic, vanilla VMS FTP serverP service which you can then tailor with some logical names (the manual has them).  D From VMS to other machines, you can use the FTP command, or COPY/FTP (help FTP and help COPY/FTP).    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2003 09:09:53 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>4 Subject: Re: Configuring FTP service On Open VMS 7.16 Message-ID: <20030429090953.19211.qmail@gacracker.org>  E On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)  wrote:> >In article <cb950e29.0304282214.31d8ccf2@posting.google.com>,1 >shakeelj2k@yahoo.com (shakeel-ur-rehman) writes:  >>I am new one to Open VMS > / >Then welcome to god's own operating system ;-)  > 
 >Start to see / >the VMS homepage	http://www.openvms.compaq.com / >the VMS doc	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/ B >the VMS FAQ	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html  = I'm afraid the semi-sensible Compaq URLs cannot be relied on.   H These are the URLs the above redirect to, at least for the time being...  2 VMS Home Page     <URL:http://h71000.www7.hp.com/>6 VMS Documentation <URL:http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/>I VMS FAQ           <URL:http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html>   A Fortunately, Netcraft reports it's running VMS. That's something.   I Of course, someone in the VMS marketing department should have snapped up K openvms.info and had that point to the documentation and other information.      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net K                                                    http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:54:29 -0400 , From: "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com>* Subject: Dual Powerstorm issues with DS20e/ Message-ID: <vat83fgvo6ub50@news.supernews.com>   F Has anyone heard of problems running a DS20e with Dual Powerstorm 300?@ One of our customers is having persistent crashes of X windows - No other problems    DT   --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:53:22 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> . Subject: Re: Dual Powerstorm issues with DS20e0 Message-ID: <66yra.598$Kl3.509@news.cpqcorp.net>  * System crashes?  Server crashes?  Details?  7 "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com> wrote in message ) news:vat83fgvo6ub50@news.supernews.com... H > Has anyone heard of problems running a DS20e with Dual Powerstorm 300?B > One of our customers is having persistent crashes of X windows - > No other problems  >  > DT >  > -- > David B Turner! > Island Computers US Corporation  > 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@islandco.com > www.hpaq.net >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:41:53 -0500 2 From: Anonymous #314 <Anon314@mail.ourservers.net>> Subject: HELP: Running Out Of Vitrual Memory When Compiling...1 Message-ID: <3EAE56F1.CCB6A3@mail.ourservers.net>    Hello.  F I'm kinda new to OpenVMS (I like what I've seen so far) and I'm trying> to compile a C program and I keep getting the following error.  ; Fatal: Insufficient vitrual memory to continue compilation. - %LIB-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual memory   ? Its an Alpha machine, OpenVMS v7.2 (Hobbyist), 256MEG RAM, DECC   ? What do I have to change where to solve this problem.  Is it a  . user limits thing or more of a sysgen setting?  H Any help would be appreciated as I'm new to this and I'm trying to learn	 all I can    Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:59:37 +0200 " From: adolf.sonderegger@bluewin.chB Subject: Re: HELP: Running Out Of Vitrual Memory When Compiling...* Message-ID: <3EAEA169.2641FA80@bluewin.ch>   Anonymous #314 wrote:    > Hello. > H > I'm kinda new to OpenVMS (I like what I've seen so far) and I'm trying@ > to compile a C program and I keep getting the following error. > = > Fatal: Insufficient vitrual memory to continue compilation. / > %LIB-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual memory  > A > Its an Alpha machine, OpenVMS v7.2 (Hobbyist), 256MEG RAM, DECC  > @ > What do I have to change where to solve this problem.  Is it a0 > user limits thing or more of a sysgen setting? > J > Any help would be appreciated as I'm new to this and I'm trying to learn > all I can  >  > Thanks   Hello   ( It is a User Quota and System Parameter.   User Quota:  $ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM:  $ MCR AUTHORIZE 
  SHOW user  --> look at Pgflquo:   MODIFY user /PGFLQUOTA=2*old   EXIT ( $ LOGOUT and Login to get the new Quotas   System Parameter:  $ MCR SYSGEN  SHOW VIRTUALPAGECNT SYSGEN>  SHOW VIRT  --> 2147483647 it is OK   regards  Adolf Sonderegger    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:19:26 +0200 " From: adolf.sonderegger@bluewin.chB Subject: Re: HELP: Running Out Of Vitrual Memory When Compiling...* Message-ID: <3EAEA60E.E6C20F48@bluewin.ch>   Anonymous #314 wrote:    > Hello. > H > I'm kinda new to OpenVMS (I like what I've seen so far) and I'm trying@ > to compile a C program and I keep getting the following error. > = > Fatal: Insufficient vitrual memory to continue compilation. / > %LIB-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual memory  > A > Its an Alpha machine, OpenVMS v7.2 (Hobbyist), 256MEG RAM, DECC  > @ > What do I have to change where to solve this problem.  Is it a0 > user limits thing or more of a sysgen setting? > J > Any help would be appreciated as I'm new to this and I'm trying to learn > all I can  >  > Thanks   Hello   ) You can get Help for an Errormessage with  $ HELP/MESSAGE INSVIRMEM   regards  Adolf Sonderegger    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2003 11:30:25 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgB Subject: Re: HELP: Running Out Of Vitrual Memory When Compiling...3 Message-ID: <85XXfPhm46Uo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <3EAE56F1.CCB6A3@mail.ourservers.net>, Anonymous #314 <Anon314@mail.ourservers.net> writes: > Hello. > H > I'm kinda new to OpenVMS (I like what I've seen so far) and I'm trying@ > to compile a C program and I keep getting the following error. > = > Fatal: Insufficient vitrual memory to continue compilation. / > %LIB-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual memory  > A > Its an Alpha machine, OpenVMS v7.2 (Hobbyist), 256MEG RAM, DECC  > A > What do I have to change where to solve this problem.  Is it a  0 > user limits thing or more of a sysgen setting?  1 There are three things that limit virtual memory.   F 1.  Page file space.  If you don't have a big enough page file, you'llB run out of virtual memory.  The symptom is a system hang, possiblyI with messages such as "Pagefile badly fragmented, attempting to continue" > on the console.  That's not your problem now.  Though it could9 become your problem if you raise one of the other limits.   A 2.  Process page file quota.  In order to reduce the risk of page @ file exhaustion and the resulting system hang, VMS establishes aA page file quota for each process (actually, I think it's a pooled E quota, but that's irrelevant for our purposes -- you're not using LSE 5 and spawning the C compile, are you?).  You typically 4 control page file quota using the AUTHORIZE utility:   	$ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM  	$ RUN AUTHORIZE 	UAF> SHOW your-username5 	UAF> MODIFY your-username /PGFLQUOTA=new-quota-value   C 3.  SYSGEN parameter VIRTUALPAGECNT.  On VAX at least, process page B tables live in the process header.  And the process headers of allB resident (not swapped out) processes are in a virtually contiguousD array with fixed size entries (balance slots).  You control the sizeA of those process page tables with the VIRTUALPAGECNT paramter.  A B very real constraint (on VAX) was that the process page tables for@ all resident processes had to fit into the 1 gigabyte S0 virtual> address space.  So the product of VIRTUALPAGECNT and BALSETCNT< was critical.  On Alpha, that constraint has been lifted and1 VIRTUALPAGECNT is not a serious issue any longer.   @ Physical memory (your 256 meg) is essentially irrelevant when it' comes to running out of virtual memory.     I On the other side of the problem, you have a C compilation that's blowing D out virtual memory.  Is there something about that C program that is> nasty?  Recursive include files, humonguous array definitions,= convoluted compile time expression evaluation?  If you double A your process page file quota a couple of times and bump your page F file size up to match and still have the problem, you may need to look at your C code for issues.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:24:26 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>- Subject: Re: I learned about VMS from that... ) Message-ID: <3EAE44CA.ABC9C503@127.0.0.1>    John Smith wrote:  > 4 > "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message$ > news:3EAD4FD7.8010107@rdrop.com... > > D > > As for phone lines, before our servers went to co-lo, I liked to > haveH > > two POTS analog lines into the server room, independent of the phoneF > > switch. One went to a phone, the other wire hung loosely next to a > modem H > > that we could plug into a modem so field service could dial in. (OurF > > customers are jails & prisons; cell phones typically work for crap& > > inside all that rebar & concrete.) > 4 > So presumably all 'break-ins' are inside jobs. ;-)  F Here is another example where humour matches real life. In reality theE biggest motive and hacking threat exists on the inside of the "secure  shell".   	 Nice one.  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2003 08:32:33 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) - Subject: Re: I learned about VMS from that... 3 Message-ID: <nMzz9SSSvmqU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <3EA975C2.1060208@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:   > H > 1) Just because one's boss has been twiddling VMS for 15 years longer H > than I have doesn't mean he's right; when we built this cluster three G > years ago, I should have stuck to my guns about mirroring the system  G > disk- he doesn't like to do that ("performance"), and I think that's   > what bit me. >   > 	This one is lame.  Mirror it.  Suppose you get queue lengths. 	Offload your system disk.  < 	I came into a cluster and it had a single drive as a system> 	disk.  That to me is a panic (1).  One of the first downtimesA 	was used to mirror the system disk.  Yes, writeback cache turned 5 	on - certainly don't want to bottleneck things, etc.    				Rob     F (1)  To make sure they could come up quickly, they were doing a weeklyL image copy to a stand-by disk in the HSJ.  Of course SYSUAF and others would3 be out of synch but at least they would be back up.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:32:12 -0400 5 From: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly / Message-ID: <b8l9ql$88r$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>   2 "Pete Fenelon" <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in message) news:var0a27mse0dc0@corp.supernews.com...  > 9 > ISO9000 doesn't stop you building a concrete parachute. F > It does ensure that there's a good audit trail and helps you build a+ > *repeatable* concrete parachute, however.   9   Then there's always a trouble-maker who doesn't fit the 8   corporate culture and will turn the 'chute upside down   and declare it to be a boat!  5   (Seems that late 60's into early 70's, cement boats ;   were in vogue.  I've been out of that loop for 30 years.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:04:25 +0200 * From: Morten Reistad <mrr@reistad.priv.no>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 0 Message-ID: <p58l8b.8vi2.ln@via.reistad.priv.no>  2 According to Charles Richmond  <richmond@ev1.net>: >Morten Reistad wrote: >>  0 >> According to Lars Duening <lars@bearnip.com>:/ >> >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  >> >= >> >     [snip...]            [snip...]             [snip...]  >> >E >> >I realise that most companies prefer to avoid this feedback step.  >>   >> This is beyond ISO9000. >>  8 >IOW, anything that might be useful is beyond the scope 8 >of ISO9000...but all the burdensome paperwork and time-7 >wasting activities definitely *are* included.  Is this 	 >right???   9 If you do ISO9000 alone that is a pretty well formulated   description of reality, yes.  6 ISO9000 was never meant to be done in isolation. It is4 designed to be a foundation. If you just want pretty7 ISO9000 stickers, forget it and buy some old "Y2K safe" + stickers instead. They are about as useful.    -- mrr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:05:05 -0000 % From: Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly / Message-ID: <vaschhsjfsad0d@corp.supernews.com>   D In alt.folklore.computers Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> wrote: >> This is beyond ISO9000. >>  9 > IOW, anything that might be useful is beyond the scope  9 > of ISO9000...but all the burdensome paperwork and time- 8 > wasting activities definitely *are* included.  Is this
 > right??? >   E Yeah, and if you've ever seen some of the "computerised" systems that ? attempt to "support" ISO9000 you'd be deeply, deeply depressed.   C I won't name the pile of crap we use to support our ISO9000 efforts E - anyone sufficiently curious is free to ask me in private -  because C it would be invidious to victimise just one product. Though you can B almost see the neat row of well-sucked biros in the top pockets of? the brown warehouse coats the developers must've worn when they ? were writing it and hear the sucking of air between teeth every @ time someone asked for user interface features. "There isn't the *demand* squire...."   pete --  E pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2003 09:38:24 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 6 Message-ID: <20030429093824.20726.qmail@gacracker.org>  ; On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote:   F >Yeah, and if you've ever seen some of the "computerised" systems that@ >attempt to "support" ISO9000 you'd be deeply, deeply depressed.   Paper systems are bad enough.   D >I won't name the pile of crap we use to support our ISO9000 effortsF >- anyone sufficiently curious is free to ask me in private -  becauseD >it would be invidious to victimise just one product. Though you canC >almost see the neat row of well-sucked biros in the top pockets of @ >the brown warehouse coats the developers must've worn when they@ >were writing it and hear the sucking of air between teeth everyA >time someone asked for user interface features. "There isn't the  >*demand* squire...."   J My grandfather has an answer for that whenever some PFY in a shop says it,  D "Well, I was just asking... But if it means I'll get it, consider it
  a *demand*."      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net K                                                    http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:41:56 -0000 2 From: "Helmut P. Einfalt" <hp.einfalt@t-online.de>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly / Message-ID: <b8le57$n03$02$1@news.t-online.com>   5 > (Seems that late 60's into early 70's, cement boats ; > were in vogue.  I've been out of that loop for 30 years.)   A Dunno about that, but they predate the above period by some three  decades or so...F We have one moored right at the downtown pier in the center of Bremen,- built in 1940-some, and it is still floating.    Helmut, % your source of knowledge no one needs    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:06:39 -0400 5 From: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly / Message-ID: <b8lmcp$sih$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>   = "Helmut P. Einfalt" <hp.einfalt@t-online.de> wrote in message ) news:b8le57$n03$02$1@news.t-online.com... 7 > > (Seems that late 60's into early 70's, cement boats = > > were in vogue.  I've been out of that loop for 30 years.)  > C > Dunno about that, but they predate the above period by some three  > decades or so...@ > We have one moored right at the downtown pier in the center of Bremen, / > built in 1940-some, and it is still floating.   >   So I would have seen it from the train window as I travelled:   from Bremerhaven to Ettlingen in March 1958?  Of course,<   a 9 year old wouldn't appreciate the niceties of cement vsA   wood vs steel in sailing craft.  In fact, having spent March 14 C   confined to the bunk while the ship was rolling in the Irish Sea, ?   I probably had my fill of watercraft.  Ten more years went by "   before I met an IBM 360-50.  B-)   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2003 07:25:03 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 3 Message-ID: <6hNpsnsk8joS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <b8l9ql$88r$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>, ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) writes:  > 7 >   (Seems that late 60's into early 70's, cement boats = >   were in vogue.  I've been out of that loop for 30 years.)   D    Concrete shipos they were in use during WWII, and concrete boats 5    are still built and raced by various universities.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:00:11 GMT 4 From: Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 8 Message-ID: <uj0tavg6e02kpljv4h60jl72ehvcbdh8lg@4ax.com>  = On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:05:05 -0000 in alt.folklore.computers,o& Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote:  E >In alt.folklore.computers Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> wrote:  >>> This is beyond ISO9000.  >>> : >> IOW, anything that might be useful is beyond the scope : >> of ISO9000...but all the burdensome paperwork and time-9 >> wasting activities definitely *are* included.  Is thiss >> right???0 >> e >uF >Yeah, and if you've ever seen some of the "computerised" systems that@ >attempt to "support" ISO9000 you'd be deeply, deeply depressed. >iD >I won't name the pile of crap we use to support our ISO9000 effortsF >- anyone sufficiently curious is free to ask me in private -  becauseD >it would be invidious to victimise just one product. Though you canC >almost see the neat row of well-sucked biros in the top pockets of @ >the brown warehouse coats the developers must've worn when they@ >were writing it and hear the sucking of air between teeth everyA >time someone asked for user interface features. "There isn't the  >*demand* squire...."B  : CMU SEI CMM level 5 organizations are also said to produce  consistently unusable programs. = Most developers I've met are lazy: some creatively so, othersd? just bone idle, so I'd expect the thought of having to fill outaA (virtual) paper to implement a feature would ensure not much gets " added to or changed in a program. @ Heavy weight processes are great for long lead time development,6 especially when user death is a critical factor, as in= military/aerospace/medical machinery control systems, but for ? non-critical process support systems, usability is normally theo critical success factor. s  9 Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis 	Calgary, Alberta, CanadaS -- BF Brian.Inglis@CSi.com 	(Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca),     fake address		use address above to reply   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:15:53 -0000i2 From: "Helmut P. Einfalt" <hp.einfalt@t-online.de>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyi/ Message-ID: <b8m57t$58l$07$1@news.t-online.com>e  0 >> We have one moored right ... in the center of8 >> Bremen, built in 1940-some, and it is still floating. >r4 > So I would have seen it from the train window as I8 > travelled from Bremerhaven to Ettlingen in March 1958?  F Probably not, for more often than not she'd have been at sea doing her duty as a freighter... *g*@ IIRC she was not put out of service before the late 1970s or so.   Helmut   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:09:26 -0600s% From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening)sQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyb6 Message-ID: <1fu5f5s.12rdqdy1m8e5ooN%lars@bearnip.com>  + Morten Reistad <mrr@reistad.priv.no> wrote:e  > > We have seen this in BSD, which is now forked in three, with8 > some possible further fragmentation. XFree86 is in the< > process of forking right now, but Linus has so far managed= > to aviod a major fork in the OS that almost bears his name.   D Bah. The BSDs are in top-notch shape and less prone to fragmentationH than Linux. What good is a single un-forked kernel if it's used to buildF hundreds of almost, but not quite, completely identical distributions?  D The different BSDs at least have unique central themes guiding theirH development; whereas the central theme of most Linux distributions seems to be 'Me Too!'.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:35:43 -0400 (EDT)-+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>-Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly<H Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.53L-031.0304291130530.1790@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>  I yeah, they were US ships from the second world war. Cheap, mass-produced, L built out of molds and intended for only a single trip across the atlantic..K i saw one docked in London about 10 years ago, too.. i was surprised it hadpO lasted that long, though i'm sure it hadnt been serving on open seas very much.nI Being dirt-cheap to start with, people found a lot of uses for them after ; the war, but theyre not exactly long-service-life units :-)eH If you just let it sit in calm waters, and seal the hull every so often,K i cam imagine such a boat staying afloat for this long. it'd probably crackm' as soon as a wave met it, of course :-)m   Isildurh  - On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Helmut P. Einfalt wrote:-  7 > > (Seems that late 60's into early 70's, cement boats0= > > were in vogue.  I've been out of that loop for 30 years.)e >gC > Dunno about that, but they predate the above period by some threee > decades or so...H > We have one moored right at the downtown pier in the center of Bremen,/ > built in 1940-some, and it is still floating.  >s	 > Helmut, ' > your source of knowledge no one needso >* >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:22:53 +0100h' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancywQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly.. Message-ID: <3EAEA6DD.8070204@nospamn.sun.com>   Morten Reistad wrote:d  > > We have seen this in BSD, which is now forked in three, with8 > some possible further fragmentation. XFree86 is in the< > process of forking right now, but Linus has so far managed= > to aviod a major fork in the OS that almost bears his name.t >   7 Linux is only a Kernel that bears Linus's name the rest 7 of the OS arround 95% of the code has virtually nothingd9 to do with Linux except that it runs on the Linux kernel..  9 And the distribution companies SUSE, RedHat etc have donea9 a really fine job of forking the 95% of the OS that isn't 6 Linux into a multitude of slightly different OS's that are called Linux.   9 This is one reason why a lot of the commercial OS vendorse< do not support Linux but do support very specific commercial8 Linux distributions. RedHat AS and SUSE being the normal candidates.f  9 Some people like Oracle also provide binary checkers that 6 verify that you are running a very specific version of6 say Red Hat with the linux kernel that Red Hat shipped: to you and not one that you compiled. If you have modified6 the kernel (which you have to do for some admin tasks)2 then you don't get support from Oracle because the checker fails.   regardss Andrew Harrisonu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:31:48 -0700a9 From: "gregc at gregcagle.com" <"gregc at gregcagle.com"> A Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs! / Message-ID: <vas7355o713e2c@corp.supernews.com>v   Bill Todd wrote: > G > I'm curious as well.  Not all that long ago people were talking aboutsI > entry-level single-processor Itanic2 development systems from HP in thelL > $4500 range, with IIRC dual-processor systems starting at about $10K.  ButK > as best I can determine prices are *far* higher than that (though I admit L > that my success in navigating HP's pricing information on the Web has been > spotty at best).  -  From http://www.hp.com/workstations/itanium:.  ' zx2000 (single CPU) 512M Linux = $3298.-: zx6000 (dual CPU) 512M Linux single CPU installed = $4896.   Example configs at:   F http://www.smb.compaq.com/ctoBases.asp?ProductLineId=433&FamilyId=1427   and   F http://www.smb.compaq.com/ctoBases.asp?ProductLineId=433&FamilyId=1431   -- "
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:03:07 +0100$' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"A Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!a. Message-ID: <3EAE69FB.2060901@nospamn.sun.com>   Rick Jones wrote:sR > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  > C >>The systems vendors offering Opteron based systems are asking x86f2 >>type pricing for them. 5K for a dual CPU system. >  > G > As always, knowing what of the benchmarked config is included in that.$ > base price is an important detail. >  > ; >>HP want 20K for a single CPU 900 MHz 1.5 MB cache Itaniums! >>server. 34K for a 2 way system.r >   > The same as the HP box. 2 CPU's 4 GB of RAM 1800 GHz Opterons.     > F > Got a reference for thost figures and what is/is not included in the@ > price? And whether that is the rx5670 or the rx2600 etc etc... >   9 rx2600, pricing from your online pricing tool on the web.)  H > Further, HP has not (to my knowledge) announced prices for the 1.5 GHz
 > systems. >   ! 1.5 MB cache not 1.5 GHZ systems.o   > F >>It isn't difficult to work out paying quarter the price for a system >  > @ > Without knowing what is/is not included in those prices you'veH > tossed-out, there is no way to know that the difference for the tested > configs is 1/4.. >  >    You have it all now.  F >>with 2 faster CPU's is going to be attractive, particularly when youA >>discover that ther is also software available for the platform.i >  > H > Not that SPEC defines pricing for SPECweb99_SSL, but just how does theF > 280R or the Netra 20 with the 2x1.2 GHz UltraSPARC-III Cu's and thatG > add-on SCA 1000 Crypto card (the one where Sun is claiming up to 4300.H > SSL transactions per second) at a whopping 1008 SPECweb99_SSL compare?D > (Yes, Sun _finally_ submitted SPECweb99_SSL figures with their SCAG > 1000.  Nothing with the recently announced SCA 4000 though...)  LookstC > like with just 2GB of the 8GB used in the result, and without thelC > Gigaswift interfaces or the SCA, or the disc array it is at $15K.t >   @ Why would this be really that interesting in the general purpose@ server market. SSL performance is only really a limitting factor3 for web servers and only then if HTTPS is required.L  > And of course its a very horizontally scalable service, buying= an HP box that costs 34K with 2 CPU's hardly makes much senseE= when you can buy a 5 x 2 way V210's with cryptos for the sameg price.  ; The V210/V240 are new low cost low end 1/2U 1 GHz UltraIIIia: servers BTW, similar capacity to a Sun V280 but well under half the price.S  ? > http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=55844r > H > Of course, pricing is always a fun game isn't it - what is in the baseD > config, how much to get that to the tested config, how much of theD > tested config was required to get the result. For example, was theB > entire 12x36GB StorEdge 3310 SCSI array and dual Ultra3 SCSI HBAG > required required to hit that 1008 number, what is the pricing of ZWSNC > compared to Sun ONE Web Server (although it was probably the SNCAmE > doing all the real work as an in-kernel accelerator rather than the E > web server...), how much does that SCA 1000 or the GigaSwifts cost.  > All that fun stuff.h >   B What has this got to do with the pricing of the server itself. YouC seem to have dissapeared off on an alarming Kerry Main type tangent / which is very unlike your normal posting style.    Regards  Andrew Harrison2   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Apr 2003 13:44:47 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs! 5 Message-ID: <b8lvkf$amt5m$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>t  / In article <xzkra.548$bE2.14@news.cpqcorp.net>,e) 	Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid> writes:iR > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: > D >> The systems vendors offering Opteron based systems are asking x863 >> type pricing for them. 5K for a dual CPU system.  > G > As always, knowing what of the benchmarked config is included in thati$ > base price is an important detail. > < >> HP want 20K for a single CPU 900 MHz 1.5 MB cache Itanium" >> server. 34K for a 2 way system. > F > Got a reference for thost figures and what is/is not included in the@ > price? And whether that is the rx5670 or the rx2600 etc etc... > H > Further, HP has not (to my knowledge) announced prices for the 1.5 GHz
 > systems.  > This discussion reminds me of my first (and last) HPUX system.? It was 14-15 years ago when I first came here to the Universityl> to build a network.  I needed a decent X-windows system to put@ my custom managemnet tools on.  I priced a number of systems and? decided the best one for the job was a SparcStation.  My boss'sy? boss came back from a conference singing the praises of HP.  He ? refused to allow the purchase and scheduled an appearance by ant> HP salesdroid.  They brought in a system and showed how it ran@ circles around the Sparc I had chosen.  So my boss was forced to? spend the money we had allocated for the Sparc on a PA-RISC box ? running HPUX.  It was over a month late and when it arrived, itt> didn't do any of the slick things that the salesdroid had been= showing off and bragging about.  When we asked why the systemSA they sold us didn't do the stuff they had demoed we were informed)D the demo system was a little bit beefier than the one we had bought.B To the tune of about %500, pricewise.  I ended out with a box thatB did not have the horsepower of the Sparc or even enough to do whatH I needed  it to do and it ended out being little more than an X-terminalF while I ran my applications on borrowed space and cpu from the Suns in the CS department. n    < Moral:  Be sure what you are really going to get is what you% expected and that includes pricewise.    > H > Of course, pricing is always a fun game isn't it - what is in the baseD > config, how much to get that to the tested config, how much of theD > tested config was required to get the result. For example, was theB > entire 12x36GB StorEdge 3310 SCSI array and dual Ultra3 SCSI HBAG > required required to hit that 1008 number, what is the pricing of ZWSAC > compared to Sun ONE Web Server (although it was probably the SNCAnE > doing all the real work as an in-kernel accelerator rather than theeE > web server...), how much does that SCA 1000 or the GigaSwifts cost.r > All that fun stuff.i  D Yes, all that fun stuff that PHB's frequently miss because they have% been blinded by a slick presentation.o   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:40:09 -0400S( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>A Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!-, Message-ID: <3EAE8EC9.4070900@tsoft-inc.com>   Bill Todd wrote:    G > I'm curious as well.  Not all that long ago people were talking abouteI > entry-level single-processor Itanic2 development systems from HP in the L > $4500 range, with IIRC dual-processor systems starting at about $10K.  ButK > as best I can determine prices are *far* higher than that (though I admit@L > that my success in navigating HP's pricing information on the Web has been > spotty at best).    N The key here may be the words "development systems".  Such from DEC carried a T 50% discount, and sometimes more.  It could be such discounting that was refered to.    H >>Further, HP has not (to my knowledge) announced prices for the 1.5 GHz
 >>systems. >> > M > Aha, but they *had* to when they submitted their new TPC-C score.  And evennL > without adding up all the small items, just a basic rx5670 with 4 Madisons6 > plus 24 GB of memory gets the price tag above $100K. > L > By contrast, the Racksaver box with 32 GB of memory that nearly equals theN > rx5670 McKinley TPC-C numbers costs $49K (including the small items left outK > above).  Its $2.76/tpmC score is the best of *any* system listed (all theoJ > way down to inexpensive single-processor IA32 systems) and not much moreN > than half the $5.03/tpmC and $4.97/tpmC scores that the McKinley and Madison > rx5670 systems achieve.. > F > SPECweb99_SSL results don't include system pricing, but HP's MadisonK > submission appears to be about the same configuration as the TPC-C system2M > (i.e., over $100K).  Unfortunately, the 4-processor Opteron that reportedlymN > posts a slightly higher score is not yet officially listed AFAICT, but thereE > seems little reason to suspect that it would cost any more than theo > Racksaver TPC-C system.i    P People seem to forget that IA-64 has consistantly done a few things well.  That 2 does not make them good general purpose computers.  O In far past days I was known to participate in rather dubious activities.  One sJ was motocross racing.  The special purpose bikes had highly tuned exhaust Q systems that for a small RPM range gave a truly stupendous HP spike.  Except for  O this small range, they were pretty pathetic.  The trick was to keep the engine wL in the small power band.  These machines had one intended purpose, and were H rather poor at anything else.  IA-64 and EPIC reminds me of those bikes.     Dave     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:56:33 +020029 From: Per =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schr=F6der?= <pesc@bredband.net> ) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS user-5 Message-ID: <idrra.21377$sg3.1115@news1.bredband.com>r   Nic Clews wrote:  > True comedy is always built on= > reality, and note well they are of the V5 of VMS (sic) era.s  ? While it is very nice that HP has begun to do VMS marketing by dA doing product placement in secret agent movies, it would be nice cA if they could be a little more current in selecting exactly what : to show.  A I hope we can see Johnny English reading the HTML version of the f3 VMS documents on his VMS workstation in the sequel.M   ;-)( -- i
 /Per Schrder, http://developer.mimer.se    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:32:52 +0100 (MET)s9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS user ; Message-ID: <01KVAQJKZ1UKA9SJ2F@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   A > While it is very nice that HP has begun to do VMS marketing by :C > doing product placement in secret agent movies, it would be nice 3C > if they could be a little more current in selecting exactly what  
 > to show.  ) Hey, at least they weren't SUN docs!  :-)r  C > I hope we can see Johnny English reading the HTML version of the w5 > VMS documents on his VMS workstation in the sequel.   B Gorgeous Bond girl:  I'm sorry, what did you say the name of your  operating system is?   Sexy Super Spy:  VMS---OpenVMS.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:18:13 +0100m( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS user ) Message-ID: <3EAE4355.15D3788C@127.0.0.1>n   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Nic Clews wrote:? > > reality, and note well they are of the V5 of VMS (sic) era.  > L > But that was the last "true" documentation set for VMS right ? After that,< > they switched to windows-like soft covert el-cheapo books.  G Very true (From pink and blue on white to stripes of white, green, blueTG and red, red and grey on white, to white with "HP blue"), and deliveredgH documentation in HTML and PDF. However it doesn't necessarily imply thatD "they" are _using_ the versions relevant to the way the more current documentation is delivered...p  H It is not often I fall over a V4 box, but not unknown. And in some cases the PDP's outnumber the Alphas.e -- O? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencese nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:49:44 +0100o' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy ) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS userA. Message-ID: <3EAE74E8.9090900@nospamn.sun.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote: A >>While it is very nice that HP has begun to do VMS marketing by  C >>doing product placement in secret agent movies, it would be nice eC >>if they could be a little more current in selecting exactly what n
 >>to show. >  > + > Hey, at least they weren't SUN docs!  :-)P >  > C >>I hope we can see Johnny English reading the HTML version of the -5 >>VMS documents on his VMS workstation in the sequel.s >  > D > Gorgeous Bond girl:  I'm sorry, what did you say the name of your  > operating system is? > ! > Sexy Super Spy:  VMS---OpenVMS.   + They never made a black and white bond filme+ so you will never see an OpenVMS reference.e   Regards  Andrew Harrison'   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:23:54 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS usern; Message-ID: <01KVAYRD1OV6A9SJ2F@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>m  
 Andrew wrote:n   > Phillip Helbig wrote:2 > E > > > While it is very nice that HP has begun to do VMS marketing by vG > > > doing product placement in secret agent movies, it would be nice nG > > > if they could be a little more current in selecting exactly what   > > > to show. > > - > > Hey, at least they weren't SUN docs!  :-)v  F Just in case it's not clear, I'm referring to the faux pas which had aF Sun workstation featured on the cover of the VMS documentation.  (I'veF never seen this doc set myself, so this is second-hand and perhaps not entirely correct.)    G > > > I hope we can see Johnny English reading the HTML version of the  9 > > > VMS documents on his VMS workstation in the sequel.S > > F > > Gorgeous Bond girl:  I'm sorry, what did you say the name of your  > > operating system is? > > # > > Sexy Super Spy:  VMS---OpenVMS.n > - > They never made a black and white bond film - > so you will never see an OpenVMS reference.U  I Well, as surely most here know, unix pre-dates VMS by several years.  Of yD course, age alone doesn't say anything about quality one way or the C other.  (When Sean Connery was voted "sexiest man alive" by People  B magazine a few years back---an honour which has also been held by B Richard Gere, George Clooney etc---his wife commented on the slim I possibility of her being voted sexiest woman alive if she were almost 70 t and had lost most of her hair.)   F I think there is an episode of Battlestar Galactica which has a VT100 	 terminal.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:11:17 GMTu4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS user . Message-ID: <9Kvra.392854$OV.409344@rwcrnsc54>   In article <3EAE74E8.9090900@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: <snip>, >They never made a black and white bond film, >so you will never see an OpenVMS reference.   Actually, Andrew:r  - http://00heaven.org/films/casino_royale_1.htm   ? OK, it was US TV, and not Connery, et. al., but it *was* B&W...c  > I thought that _Dr. No_ was B&W as well, but apparently not... >  >Regards >Andrew Harrison >d  A _________________________________________________________________o0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:47:32 +0100.' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyo) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS user1. Message-ID: <3EAE9084.9020406@nospamn.sun.com>   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:  > In article <3EAE74E8.9090900@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > <snip> > - >>They never made a black and white bond film - >>so you will never see an OpenVMS reference.t >  >  > Actually, Andrew:x > / > http://00heaven.org/films/casino_royale_1.htm  > A > OK, it was US TV, and not Connery, et. al., but it *was* B&W...; > @ > I thought that _Dr. No_ was B&W as well, but apparently not... >   7 Most people think of the the Bond films as the made for)5 cinema series from  Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzmani1 all of which were colour. It would also have beena5 very strange for them to have made Dr No in Black ande1 White in 1962. They were aiming for a mass marketg film.    Regardsi Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:50:43 +01003' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyR/ Subject: Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solaris . Message-ID: <3EAE7523.5000205@nospamn.sun.com>  # What kind of data is it in a file ?1   regardsp Andrew Harrisona   David J. Dachtera wrote:J > Okay, now that we have our STK L700E libraries running, our ACSLS serverI > talking to DCSC and thence to SLS, I need to get data from ACSLS, whiche > runs on Solaris. >  > My question is:g > I > Is there some way to eliminate the need to have passwords in clear textnG > on RSHELL commands in our DCL procedures? Is there some kind of proxyrI > and/or trusted host relationship I can set up on Solaris so that I needm, > only pass a username on my RSHELL command? >  > Info:s > VMS V7.3-1 > Multinet V4.4 Rev A-Xt > Solaris/8 (Sparc)w > ACSLS V6.0.1 >    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Apr 03 07:09:47 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comc/ Subject: Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solarisc( Message-ID: <GU6Nro4bPRR2@cpva.saic.com>  ; In article <3EADDEE5.A00E9666@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"    <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:J > Okay, now that we have our STK L700E libraries running, our ACSLS serverI > talking to DCSC and thence to SLS, I need to get data from ACSLS, which  > runs on Solaris. >  > My question is:d > I > Is there some way to eliminate the need to have passwords in clear text@G > on RSHELL commands in our DCL procedures? Is there some kind of proxyaI > and/or trusted host relationship I can set up on Solaris so that I needy, > only pass a username on my RSHELL command? > < 	I've been succesful in using the PRIVDCL package for things8 	like this. Store the username/password combos in a file; 	that is socked away in some secure area. You could encryptt? 	them if you choose. Then create a command procedure to performa8 	the RSHELL that fetches the username/password combo and: 	initiates the connection. Sock this procedure away in the9 	secure area as well. The username/password could even be > 	embedded in this procedure. Then configure PRIVDCL to control: 	its usage. Your user/production procedures will then just6 	invoke PRIVDCL and pass it the procedure name - local= 	authorization gets checked and if the accessor is authorizedo 	the procedure is executed.   = 	http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?PRIVDCL>  8 	This it does not address plain text over the net but it. 	doesn't appear as though that's your concern.   - Jim    ------------------------------   Date: 29 APR 2003 14:07:25 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>>/ Subject: Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solaris 2 Message-ID: <29APR03.14072524@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  I In a previous article, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:rJ > Okay, now that we have our STK L700E libraries running, our ACSLS serverI > talking to DCSC and thence to SLS, I need to get data from ACSLS, which. > runs on Solaris. >  f > My question is:u >  nI > Is there some way to eliminate the need to have passwords in clear textsG > on RSHELL commands in our DCL procedures? Is there some kind of proxy-I > and/or trusted host relationship I can set up on Solaris so that I needf, > only pass a username on my RSHELL command?  K Sounds like you want a .rhosts file in the default directory of the Solaris@I account.  Check your man pages to ensure you have the correct permissionsd on the file.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVdH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:51:20 -0400 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>"/ Subject: Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solarisd2 Message-ID: <BnSuPkcCENlIk0Dap2kj5Xkl=CZv@4ax.com>  7 On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:09:41 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"e <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  I >Okay, now that we have our STK L700E libraries running, our ACSLS serverrH >talking to DCSC and thence to SLS, I need to get data from ACSLS, which >runs on Solaris.h >r >My question is: >hH >Is there some way to eliminate the need to have passwords in clear textF >on RSHELL commands in our DCL procedures? Is there some kind of proxyH >and/or trusted host relationship I can set up on Solaris so that I need+ >only pass a username on my RSHELL command?r >" >Info: >VMS V7.3-1- >Multinet V4.4 Rev A-X >Solaris/8 (Sparc)
 >ACSLS V6.0.1m  D     How about an entry in the file ~UNAME/.rhosts on the Unix side, ( where UNAME is the username, for example   vmssys.vms.comp.com vmsuser   : This seems to work fine going from VMS V7.2-2 using either* TCP/IP V5.1 or Multinet V4.3 to Solaris 8.  D     If the username is the same on both systems, you don't need the  /username qualifier.   David R. Beattye   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:27:30 -0400m* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham! ) Message-ID: <3EAE2947.79EEEC63@istop.com>t   Dave Weatherall wrote:A > Point taken about Abstractions. I missed the structure on firstnG > reading. Yes that is the/my point. How could one get VMS onto anotheroE > platform without moving the architecture dependencies down the codehD > chain. The port to Alpha did a lot in that area. Moving to IA32 or  > IA64 or Opteron involves more.  I So why do it ?  At the time of the port to Alpha, Digital could then haveWL chosen to revamp the code base to allow 32 bit versions to exist on the 8086 and VAX, while 64 bit on Alpha.t  N But now that "the" code base exist only on Alpha, with VAX left behind withoutM the benefits of new features etc, porting Alpha code back down to 32 bits may  not be so easy./  E In any event, at the point in time just before June 25 2001, what was K important was to make Compaq's commitment to VMS and Alpha serious/crediblejL and to get Compaq to advertise/market VMS not only to grow it, but to give aK clear message that Compaq took VMS very seriously. June 25 killed all that. : And since then, HP has done nothing to repaid that damage.  I At a time when VMS's relevance to the market, relevance to HP are both inoI question, it isn't the time to be spending so many resources "cleaning up K code" which does nothing productive for customers. It would be time to givelJ VMS industry leading features such as a modern TCPIP stack, secure email a, decent IMAP server, key servers etc etc etc.  I VMS *will* get these features. But Sun has it now.  Why ? because VMS wascH essentially put on hiatus because of the port to a non-existant platform
 nobody wants.   M VMS loyalists can try to put pink paint over the excrements left by Curly anddN Carly with regards to Alpha and lack of mention of VMS. But we cannot hide theI fact that VMS is missing a lot of stuff that competitors have. And when auN customer or a boss asks you "could we do this on VMS", you then have to answerR "NO" or "Not yet", while the guys in the cubicle next to you say "Sun has it now".  J In many ways, VMS is a bit like linux. If you need something like SSH, youL need to go hunt for it on the net because it doesn't come. If you have vaxesJ with serial ports, you can't use those for dial-in because VMS-VMS doesn't! support PPP. etc etc etc etc etc.m  T The longer resources are allocated to that IA64 port, the more VMS will fall behind.  K You don't do cosmetic surgery when a patient is in intensive care. You waitiE until he is stronger before you proceed with the unnecessary surgery.0M Compaq/HP should have waited 2-3 years before announcing the murder of alpha,rD and during that time, given a great big push for VMS development andN marketing. That would not only have helped narrow the gap with the competitionM in terms of applications, but also build confidence/strength which would haven, helped widhstand a transition to IA64 later.  F > Crikey, I still, by choice, have a 3100/M76 on my desk instead of an > AlphaStation.   K Do you have crocodiles running around on the floor next you you ??? ;-) :-)h :-) :-) :-)e  D > IA-32 would be a waste _now, a port from VAX 32 bit to IA32 _then,' > would have been completely different.-  H However, in fairness, in the early 1990s, the 8086 wasn't yet capable ofH taking on VMS. It wasn't until 80386 that it had enough modes etc etc toG become serious enough for a VMS port. But by then, Alpha was a reality.jL (remember, Pentium 3 was "Alpha inspired", so there is no question about egg' or the chicken here. Alpha came first).l    " > If one then accepts the argumentH > that a low cost 64-bit workstation running VMS is desirable, Compaq/HPH > would today have had the choice between producing low-cost (low-speed)! > Alphas, IA-64 and now Opterons.e  F Where there is a will, there is a way. I see no reason why Digital andL especially Compaq could not have produced acceptable cost workstations basedL on Alpha and competed head to head against windows. Apple could do it with a@ reasonable price difference. Surely, Digital could have done it.  K Had Digital been agressive with Alpha, Apple would be based on Alpha today.tM And between HP and Sun, one of the two would have gone Alpha, giving itself acJ great edge over the other. It wouldn't have taken much to increase Alpha'sK market share to make it for more competitive in terms of costs. And Digital L would still exist because it woudln't have succombed to Microsoft and Gate,s "dismantle Digital" demands.  M Heck, ALL-In-1 might be widespread and competing against exchange :-) :-) :-)s    H > Absolutely, the route chosen by Compaq, with or without HP connivance, > is just plain dumb.s  M "Chosen by Compaq" is the interesting statment. I am not sure of it accuracy.rH I think it is more a combination of "Chosen by Microsoft" and "Chosen by Intel" and "Chosen by HP".  E > Again no disagreement. However, one of Fred's arguments for IA64 isyE > that it provides CHumPaq with a route to provide Reasonable, if notl > Low, cost workstations.   J Intel has admitted that IA64 won't become "desktop" material (at least forH foreseable future). So all that is left are those big expensive servers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:13:31 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyr? Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!,. Message-ID: <3EAE6C6B.6010805@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:n > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3EAD49E9.2040502@nospamn.sun.com>...c >  >>>  >>7 >>That implies that OpenVMS will then be running on twoi4 >>supported platforms that each have some measure of >>long term viability. >>) >>Otherwise what other benefit is there ?h >  > : > how about security, clustering, reliability, no viruses,= > 99.9999% uptime, the best hardware/software platform in the* > business ...  1 Well ignoring the BS above what does this have to  do with the actual port itself.-  8 This was the BS spouted about OpenVMS when it apparently  had a long term future on Alpha.  ; So all you have acheived with the port is a lot of cost forv; the same BS wow great deal care to explain what the benefite was.   >  > < >>However as we all know IA-64 replaces Alpha, the remainingA >>OpenVMS customers at that time shoulder the burden of migratingt= >>to OpenVMS/IA-64 and the Alpha platform dies and there thent >>there is IA-64 and thats it. >  > > > what burden?  we went from vax to alpha with ease ... RMS is? > RMS and our DIBOL programs were up and running after a simplen> > recompile ... vax/alpha/itanium is and will be easy ... they> > all cluster and talk and work together seemlessly ... decnet> > is decnet ... ods2 disks on vax work with alpha ... the only= > burden there is on vms upgrades is having to place type thee@ > word BACKUP to transport the data/programs ... this is not sun= > or IBM Andrew where upgrades are a real pain in the $#@ ...  >   8 Ever heard of data migration, regression testing etc etc= etc. That all happens for free does it ? If you want a reallym? good laugh though at your expense try advancing that hypothesis2 to any senior IT manager.h  < Or are you expecting the HP services organisation to do this for free ??    > # >>And what happens if IA-64 fails ?p >  > A > and what happens if sun fails and goes belly up like it is real.> > close to doing right now ... I would bet you money that VMS 7 > would be snapped up faster than sun garbage would ...e >  > < >>And people have not been asking for a port to Itanium they> >>have been asking for a port to a low cost commodity platform8 >>which Itanium emphatically isn't unless you think that2 >>100,000 for a 4 way server is commodity pricing. >>	 >>regardsp >>Andrew Harrisons >  > B > low cost is the code word for "GARBAGE", something micro$oft and> > sun and IBM are good at ... you get what you pay for ... DEC@ > hardware/software was always worth paying more for because youB > got your money worth ... you cannot run a cost effective 100% upC > all the time business with commodity garbage Andrew ... ceo's andtB > IT people who bought that line hook and sinker are now adding upB > the loses and finally realizing that after spending 80% of theirE > time patching and rebooting and rebuilding and replacing, commodityuA > hardware/software is costing them plenty compared to VMS ownersa/ > who can actually get productive work done ...-  ; You sound alarmingly like Bob, which BTW isn't a good thing0< but is very helpfully from my standpoint since it means that0 I don't need to bother stooping to reply to you.   Regardsp Andrew Harrisonr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:16:49 -0400a( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!n, Message-ID: <3EAE8951.5090908@tsoft-inc.com>   Dave Weatherall wrote:  H > On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 06:52:44 UTC, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> > wrote:  I >>If Compaq had kept the Alpha team and actually backed Alpha, that never L >>would have happened:  Intel would have been stuck with a power-inefficientI >>architecture that it had no idea how to push forward and that thereforehL >>would never have looked attractive compared with Alpha (though AMD64 stillH >>might, for the low end), and EV8 would be coming next year to solidifyJ >>Alpha's high-end leadership.  The current situation with the engineering- >>forced-march port is no favor to customers.f >> > F > Again no disagreement. However, one of Fred's arguments for IA64 is F > that it provides CHumPaq with a route to provide Reasonable, if not E > Low, cost workstations. (Yeah, I too feel that he has contradicted e$ > himself on occasion in this area).    M Keep in mind that there have been low cost VMS workstations in the past, and aP that they could have been even lower priced if DEC hadn't worried so much about  eroding the 'high end'.i  % > Now you yourself have accepted that5B > EV7 and above are aimed more at the multi-CPU Server market and 1 > perhaps too expensive for the workstation roll.     L Not so fast.  Your choice of the word 'aimed' is correct.  However, EV7 has Q possibilities at the low end.  It's true that the on-chip glue is rather useless sQ if there is only one CPU.  But there is the on-chip memory controller, and more,  G that would benefit a single CPU system.  Compaq choose to ignore these tR capabilities.  It's not EV7 that is not appropriate for the low end, in some ways.  O Not being a chip person, I have to wonder whether it's cheaper to just not use  N the glue and such, or to have another design aimed at single CPU systems with N the on-chip real estate reclaimed for more cache or something else useful.  I 3 have no idea how many transistors we talking about.c  Q Regardeless, EV7 has advantages that could be used in single CPU systems, should 0B HP decide to pursue such.  It's pretty clear HP is persuing IA-64.   > The low cost w/s is a  > reasonable/sensible aim. > A > In the end, unless HP do somthing to market VMS, our debate is rG > somewhat moot. I've just come back from the reading room where I was  E > perusing the April edition of Dr. Dobbs. It contains 6 pages of HP 8H > advertising about its support for Linux, not to mention the back page ( > advert for its Itanium-2 workstations.    I So much for the statement about HP not promoting operating systems.  Not 0N attacking the messanger.  Just observing that the messanger was given a flase  message.     Dave     -- P4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:50:11 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>1, Subject: Re: OpenVMS on non-HP Itanium boxes; Message-ID: <01KVAN4T1AUAAKTJN8@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  L > :>Obviously, HP will not SUPPORT VMS on bargain-basement hardware.  On theK > :>other hand, Hoff has stated here quite unequivocally that there will be F > :>no intentional goodies to tie VMS to HP hardware, prevent VMS fromI > :>running on specific hardware (even from HP) etc---though these thingsa8 > :>have happened in the past (the "NT only" machines).  > H >   The Microsoft Windows NT Alpha systems -- variously including the -aH >   series Personal Workstations, the DECpc 150 AXP series, the whiteboxF >   series Alpha systems -- were specifically priced and packaged and G >   configured specifically for support of Microsoft Windows NT.  Only.e  < Right, those were the "NT only" machines I was referring to.  I >   I do not recall making such statements as have been attributed to me   >   here.  h  0 I hope at least I didn't mis-attribute anything.  J >   I do recall indicating that the engineers here in OpenVMS Engineering H >   have no plans to tie OpenVMS into any specific platform features norI >   of requiring specific non-standard features in the Itanium hardware, eH >   and that formal support of OpenVMS would very likely target specific2 >   (now HP) platforms and specific controllers.    F Sorry if I misinterpreted you, but the "no intentional goodies" stuff I above was my paraphrasing of your "have no plans to tie OpenVMS into any  
 specific...".m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:27:09 -0400o( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>M Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland , Message-ID: <3EAE8BBD.5090204@tsoft-inc.com>  
 Andrew wrote:h   >  >  > Bob Ceculski wrote:a  9 >> you mean after installing 80,000 cpus into the box ...19 >> and what a pity with all those cpus, you have to spend ; >> all of your time patching those 600+ cert advisories ...g >  > = > Put a sock in it Bob, the only thing that you are acheivinge; > spouting this unsupported BS is to make the more sensible 0 > OpenVMS advocates on this group uncomfortable. > 	 > Regardsr > Andrew Harrisont     Andy, Andy, Andy!f  + Even when you're right, you're still wrong.i  J (The nice thing about this is that I still get to stick pins in you while  agreeing with you.)  :-)  M Boob doesn't make us uncomfortable.  Actually, it's the opposite.  Now, with -H Boob around, we can be quite ridiculous ourselves, and still look quite   sensible, when compared to Boob.  M All things have a purpose, you just have to look until you find that purpose.k  C I won't get into not having found a purpose for your products.  :-)w     Dave     -- R4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:21:58 +0100c' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyiY Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai>. Message-ID: <3EAE6E66.2000402@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:e > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3E9D2FA8.7060203@nospamn.sun.com>...k >  >>Bill Todd wrote: >>7 >>>"David Svensson" <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote in messageo: >>>news:734da31c.0304151154.682d0c33@posting.google.com... >>>  >>> % >>>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyaF >>>><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote > I challenge you to/ >>>>trawl back through all the public benchmarke >>>> >>>>C >>>>>results for the 8400-GS140-GS320, compare them with Sun/HP/IBMoA >>>>>results for those tests at the same time, you will find thateD >>>>>except for period between the introduction of the 8400 and when> >>>>>Sun introduced the E4500-E10K there is no time when the 39 >>>>>servers held a performance lead over Sun/HP and IBM.e >>>>G >>>>I haven't seen that Sun have been any good on benchmarks the last 4nD >>>>years. When they are better they have lots of more CPU's and are: >>>>compared and still slower to machines with less CPU's. >>>  >>>kJ >>>Andrew's point likely being that Sun has supported systems sufficientlyO >>>larger than Alpha's largest systems to maintain an overall, though certainly ) >>>not a per-processor, performance lead.d >>>t >> >>No not my point at all.t >>; >>If you take the GS320 as the case in point on most of thet? >>commercial benchmarks for the system except SPECint and SPECfl> >>the Sun's at the time had better total throughput and better >>throughput per CPU.n >>* >>Oracle Apps/SAP and TPC-H all show this. >>	 >>Regardsy >>Andrew Harrisona >  > 8 > you mean after installing 80,000 cpus into the box ...8 > and what a pity with all those cpus, you have to spend: > all of your time patching those 600+ cert advisories ...  ; Put a sock in it Bob, the only thing that you are acheivingn9 spouting this unsupported BS is to make the more sensibleH. OpenVMS advocates on this group uncomfortable.   Regardse Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2003 00:09:27 -0700* From: jo@depth.freeserve.co.uk (Froggy_Jo)F Subject: Possible Memory Problems with VMS running multi-language code= Message-ID: <b1f893e7.0304282309.12bf59b9@posting.google.com>t  F I am running some software, which is written in ADA, Fortran and C++. @ When running the code as a batch, it crashed after 4 Monte Carlo? replications, stating that it had run out of virtual memory.  ItC identified some areas in the ADA code where memory was being hogged ? and freed it up.  Now, when I run it, it crashes at a differentsD replication each time (although it does complete more replications -C round about 20 now).  But, it seems to just stop now.  There are nocD comments saying virtual memory or disk space is full, it just stops.  F Is this still a memory problem, or should I be looking for another bug now?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:20:32 +0200e$ From: Felix Deichmann <f.dei@gmx.de>J Subject: Re: Possible Memory Problems with VMS running multi-language code/ Message-ID: <b8lu5r$qm1$07$1@news.t-online.com>c   Froggy_Jo wrote:H > Is this still a memory problem, or should I be looking for another bug > now?  I Hm, could be a limit/quota problem. You can find out by using ANA/SYS or  4 "pquota" (Freeware CD) or Amds/Availability Manager.   Is the process in MUTEX state?  H Search Google Groups for "TCPIP$FTP hangs in MUTEX state". Your problem  could be similar.o   Felixc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:49:22 -0400s( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>J Subject: Re: Possible Memory Problems with VMS running multi-language code, Message-ID: <3EAE90F2.8080207@tsoft-inc.com>   Froggy_Jo wrote:  H > I am running some software, which is written in ADA, Fortran and C++. B > When running the code as a batch, it crashed after 4 Monte CarloA > replications, stating that it had run out of virtual memory.  IsE > identified some areas in the ADA code where memory was being hoggedyA > and freed it up.  Now, when I run it, it crashes at a different F > replication each time (although it does complete more replications -E > round about 20 now).  But, it seems to just stop now.  There are no F > comments saying virtual memory or disk space is full, it just stops. > H > Is this still a memory problem, or should I be looking for another bug > now? > 7 Impossible to answer without knowing many more details.A    K Watching the process and system resources while the application is running  Q should be some help.  If the virtual size continues to grow, and the application nK doesn't support such, then memory leaks could be an issue.  Other resource o quotas should be watched.s  N You could increase some parameters to allow more virtual memory to a process. H This would only help is there is some point where the application stops $ acquiring additional virtual memory.   Dave     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2003 09:00:47 -0700" From: kusharma@hss.hns.com (Kunal)F Subject: Problem in opening an Ingres session through EQUEL statements= Message-ID: <9448921e.0304290800.7248a380@posting.google.com>a   Hi,e  G In  trying to connect to an INGRES database thro' a VAX Pascal program,3" I am getting the following error :  < %SYSTEM-F-RADRMOD, reserved addressing fault at PC=00687128, PSL=03C00000   The commands involved are  :   ##   Ingres    <DatabaseName> 1 ##   SET LOCKMODE SESSION WHERE READLOCK = NOLOCK   A The database name is valid - I can't figure out what could be thelG problem or even what a reserved addressing fault means in this context.c  F Could anyone please suggest what this error  means in this context, orD at least suggest a few things I might check up to figure out what is
 going wrong ?y   Thanx in advance,H   Kunal (kusharma@hss.hns.com)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:01:17 -0400t From: norm.raphael@metso.com2 Subject: Re: Question on logical name PSM$ANNOUNCE? Message-ID: <OF9F1CB341.5D42130A-ON85256D17.00419482@metso.com>u  H Thanks to all who replied.  I now have it in the System Managers Manual= .KD A search of the Documentation as Brad stated below does indeed _not_H find this reference, perhaps because it is buried in a table.  Searches=  ofe older versions find it.b  H I would suggest that it be indexed going forward, but I have not yet se= nt
 the email.  H other references to PSM$something in the Utility Routines manual are fo= ri	 modifyingt a symbiont, and do not apply.    -Norm   H From:  "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> on 04/25/2003 03:40 A= Md  < Please respond to "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:-  5 Subject:    Re: Question on logical name PSM$ANNOUNCE0      A "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote in message 7 news:XGXpa.74794$gK.178194@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...n5 > In article <2VUCibUxmujP@eisner.encompasserve.org>,t  briggs@encompasserve.org writes:B > >In article <OF04A33837.71CAE16B-ON85256D12.006A6379@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > >>: > >> Thanks, now where is it in the documentation, please? > >yH > >Well, the third hit on Yahoo with a search string of VMS PSM$ANNOUNC= E, > >is: > > H > >http://www.itec.suny.edu/scsys/vms/OVMSDOC073/V73/6017/6017pro_060.h= tmlD > >w > > John Briggse >sH > That's funny - when you use the search function provided on the hp pa= geH > (openvms.compaq.com/doc) and attempt to search for PSM, you only get = twox hits -E > the Utility Routines Manual and the System Messages Companion Guidee Manual.c >eH > Searching for PSM$ANNOUNCE, and all its variations (uppercase, lowerc= ase,, > quoted, non-quoted) yields no hits at all.    Hello  # For searching in the Vms doc, I useU$ http://pi-net.dyndns.org/search.html  ( It works fine, at least for my searches.   regardsp   g=E9rard                 =w   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:56:58 -0700 . From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>! Subject: RZ26-B in the real worldlF Message-ID: <OF3C182AB0.F412D3C5-ON07256D17.004C4B41@rsc.raytheon.com>   Folks:  I My recently acquired VAXstation 3100/48 needs a system disk.  What is thegH Seagate/Quantum/Maxtor equivalent of a 1 GB drive (RZ26-B I believe)?  I1 want to search eBay with the proper model number.    dave.y   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:01:16 +0100 (MET)y9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>d% Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real worldS; Message-ID: <01KVB07B4HDQA9SJ2F@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-  G > My recently acquired VAXstation 3100/48 needs a system disk.  What isiA > the Seagate/Quantum/Maxtor equivalent of a 1 GB drive (RZ26-B I A > believe)?  I want to search eBay with the proper model number. s  H This is a 1-GB drive.  If you have a lot of layered products installed, H compilers, DECwindows etc---no third-party stuff---then I've found that F 1 GB can be a bit too small for newer VMS versions.  My rule of thumb G now for system disks is 4 GB for ALPHA and 2 GB for VAX.  (I have ONLY o DEC stuff on the system disk.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:14:02 -0700t# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t% Subject: RE: RZ26-B in the real worldd9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEGBHBAA.tom@kednos.com>i  G Almost any 1 GB Wide scsi will work, BUT DO NOT use anything larger fora system8 disk.  Add another, larger drive to store your stuff on.   >-----Original Message-----nA >From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com]d& >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:01 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& >Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real world >v >mH >> My recently acquired VAXstation 3100/48 needs a system disk.  What isB >> the Seagate/Quantum/Maxtor equivalent of a 1 GB drive (RZ26-B IA >> believe)?  I want to search eBay with the proper model number.i >oH >This is a 1-GB drive.  If you have a lot of layered products installed,H >compilers, DECwindows etc---no third-party stuff---then I've found thatF >1 GB can be a bit too small for newer VMS versions.  My rule of thumbG >now for system disks is 4 GB for ALPHA and 2 GB for VAX.  (I have ONLY0 >DEC stuff on the system disk.). >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.a; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).-A >Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003a >w ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:13:00 -0500 (CDT): From: sms@antinode.org% Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real world ) Message-ID: <03042909130043@antinode.org>u  9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  G > > My recently acquired VAXstation 3100/48 needs a system disk.  [...]   J > This is a 1-GB drive.  If you have a lot of layered products installed, J > compilers, DECwindows etc---no third-party stuff---then I've found that H > 1 GB can be a bit too small for newer VMS versions.  My rule of thumb I > now for system disks is 4 GB for ALPHA and 2 GB for VAX.  (I have ONLY    > DEC stuff on the system disk.)  H    Many thoughtful people would not use a system disk bigger than 1.07GB8 on a VAXstation 3100 model 30/40/38/48, for good reason.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org>    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547t   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:18:18 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org% Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real world ) Message-ID: <03042909181798@antinode.org>.  # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>u  I > Almost any 1 GB Wide scsi will work, BUT DO NOT use anything larger forhA > system disk.  Add another, larger drive to store your stuff on.b  E    Wide?  This is a VAXstation 3100 model 48.  Tall would work.  Widea would be inappropriate.r  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org0    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547w   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:22:21 -0700i# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>p% Subject: RE: RZ26-B in the real world 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEGCHBAA.tom@kednos.com>t  C Sorry, what I really meant was wide or narrow provided you have theu 68 to 50 pin adapter.n   >-----Original Message-----n1 >From: sms@antinode.org [mailto:sms@antinode.org]i& >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 7:18 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& >Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real world >n >H$ >From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> >eJ >> Almost any 1 GB Wide scsi will work, BUT DO NOT use anything larger forB >> system disk.  Add another, larger drive to store your stuff on. > F >   Wide?  This is a VAXstation 3100 model 48.  Tall would work.  Wide >would be inappropriate. >-I >------------------------------------------------------------------------p >s5 >   Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818i4 >   382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org >   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547 >D >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.i; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).gA >Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003g >d ---r& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:23:23 +0100 (MET)h9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s% Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real world ; Message-ID: <01KVB0ZD5R38A9SJ2F@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   G > Many thoughtful people would not use a system disk bigger than 1.07GB : > on a VAXstation 3100 model 30/40/38/48, for good reason.  ? Right; see my previous post!  (I have some 3100 model 38 and 48s@ machines, but I only use those as satellites booting off a 4000.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:22:11 +0100 (MET)n9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o% Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real worldi; Message-ID: <01KVB0VZFIY6A9SJ2F@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   I > Almost any 1 GB Wide scsi will work, BUT DO NOT use anything larger fort > system disk.    A I don't think it's documented or supported to install stuff like sI compilers, DECwindows etc someplace other than on the system disk.  Even tH if you have NO extra stuff here, as I say, with a modern version of VMS - and many layered products, 1 GB is too small.5  G There is no reason not to use a 2-GB disk on a VAX unless you run into lH the 1.07-GB limit for the boot disk on some VAXstation models.  IF that F applies here, then unfortunately THAT IS a reason not to use a larger  disk!r  4 > Add another, larger drive to store your stuff on.   B Stuff, sure, but not things which are normally on the system disk.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:39:30 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t% Subject: RE: RZ26-B in the real worlds9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEGDHBAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message-----dA >From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com]p& >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:22 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& >Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real world >a >@J >> Almost any 1 GB Wide scsi will work, BUT DO NOT use anything larger for >> system disk.  a > B >I don't think it's documented or supported to install stuff like J >compilers, DECwindows etc someplace other than on the system disk.  Even I >if you have NO extra stuff here, as I say, with a modern version of VMS 0. >and many layered products, 1 GB is too small.  C Symbolic links would be nice:-)  But can'y you use logicals?  I do.- > H >There is no reason not to use a 2-GB disk on a VAX unless you run into I >the 1.07-GB limit for the boot disk on some VAXstation models.  IF that  G >applies here, then unfortunately THAT IS a reason not to use a larger C >disk!  ( I don't think this is wise for any 3100.   >h5 >> Add another, larger drive to store your stuff on. r >oC >Stuff, sure, but not things which are normally on the system disk.E >c >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.n; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003r >" ---f& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:14:52 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)% Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real world / Message-ID: <wNvra.665761$3D1.366094@sccrnsc01>u  w In article <OF3C182AB0.F412D3C5-ON07256D17.004C4B41@rsc.raytheon.com>, "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:7 >Folks:m >rJ >My recently acquired VAXstation 3100/48 needs a system disk.  What is theI >Seagate/Quantum/Maxtor equivalent of a 1 GB drive (RZ26-B I believe)?  I 2 >want to search eBay with the proper model number.  L When I had a 3100/76 (?), I had 2GB disks inside with no issues.  As someoneL else has stated, 2GB is a better size for VAX/VMS; I also think that the 2GB would be easier to find.   >  >dave. >p >   A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"n   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:50:49 -0500 (CDT)w From: sms@antinode.org% Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real worldl) Message-ID: <03042909504974@antinode.org>h  4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)  N > When I had a 3100/76 (?), I had 2GB disks inside with no issues.  As someoneN > else has stated, 2GB is a better size for VAX/VMS; I also think that the 2GB > would be easier to find.  9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  H > There is no reason not to use a 2-GB disk on a VAX unless you run intoI > the 1.07-GB limit for the boot disk on some VAXstation models.  IF thatgG > applies here, then unfortunately THAT IS a reason not to use a largero > disk!u  # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>g  * > I don't think this is wise for any 3100.  @    Perhaps you folks should read the FAQ, where the 1GB limit isH discussed, including which models are affected, before offering any moreB _useless_ advice on this topic.  You might save the poor reader(s) considerable time and trouble.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.orgu    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:03:05 +0100m+ From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk>A% Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real world 8 Message-ID: <ll3tavc9oeq5pugt5as9hnr07lplsap77n@4ax.com>  L On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:56:58 -0700, "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> wrote:  J >My recently acquired VAXstation 3100/48 needs a system disk.  What is theI >Seagate/Quantum/Maxtor equivalent of a 1 GB drive (RZ26-B I believe)?  Ir2 >want to search eBay with the proper model number.  J The Seagate equivalent is a Hawk.  I can vouch for the ST31200N which is aL low-profile Hawk 1, and the ST31230N which is a low-profile Hawk 2.  I wouldE hazard a guess that you will be okay with the half-height versions aseI detailed at http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/specs/family_hawk.html ash  RZ26s came in both form factors.  J Quantum also supplied Fireballs to Digital as RZ26s, but without the magicL RZ label I think you might be best avoiding them.  Folklore suggests QuantumI drives are a bit more hit-and-miss as generic replacements, compared withe Seagate.  F Maxtor ?  Doubt it.  Some of the smaller RZ2x drives were Connors, butI unless you like having a brew every time the system decides to access theS drive, I would steer clear.d  H A 1Gb system disk is a pretty reasonable size for OpenVMS/Vax, even now.L It's easy enough to shunt the page, swap and dump files to another disk, andI should you even then find things getting tight, it is possible to migrates. directories.  [.syshlp...] is not a bad start.     	Johnu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:54:54 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a% Subject: RE: RZ26-B in the real world 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEGKHBAA.tom@kednos.com>n  ; Of course, there may be aproblem finding a disk that small.e   >-----Original Message-----r3 >From: John Laird [mailto:john@laird-towers.org.uk] & >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:03 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& >Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real world >h > 6 >On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:56:58 -0700, "David D Miller"  ><ddmiller@raytheon.com> >wrote:e >oK >>My recently acquired VAXstation 3100/48 needs a system disk.  What is theaJ >>Seagate/Quantum/Maxtor equivalent of a 1 GB drive (RZ26-B I believe)?  I3 >>want to search eBay with the proper model number.r >iK >The Seagate equivalent is a Hawk.  I can vouch for the ST31200N which is a B >low-profile Hawk 1, and the ST31230N which is a low-profile Hawk  >2.  I wouldF >hazard a guess that you will be okay with the half-height versions asJ >detailed at http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/specs/family_hawk.html as! >RZ26s came in both form factors.  >rK >Quantum also supplied Fireballs to Digital as RZ26s, but without the magice= >RZ label I think you might be best avoiding them.  Folklore u >suggests QuantumsJ >drives are a bit more hit-and-miss as generic replacements, compared with	 >Seagate.a >iG >Maxtor ?  Doubt it.  Some of the smaller RZ2x drives were Connors, but J >unless you like having a brew every time the system decides to access the >drive, I would steer clear. >mI >A 1Gb system disk is a pretty reasonable size for OpenVMS/Vax, even now.PD >It's easy enough to shunt the page, swap and dump files to another 
 >disk, andJ >should you even then find things getting tight, it is possible to migrate/ >directories.  [.syshlp...] is not a bad start.  >e >v >	John >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.2; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).lA >Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003h >, ---s& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:14:04 -0700p. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>% Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real worldfF Message-ID: <OFC1BE0000.D424020D-ON07256D17.005E2356@rsc.raytheon.com>   Folks.  H A clarification is in order.  The VAX 3100/48 is one of those boxes thatJ has a 1 GB system disk limitation as several of you pointed out.  The SCSIJ controller is Narrow-Slow.  However the /48 was designed to accomodate the: "full height" drives so just about any solution will work.  H Many thanks to those that suggested the Hawk and provided model numbers.0 BTW, I tried a Quantum Fireball without success.   I'm off to eBay,   dave.i      4 On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:56:58 -0700, "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>p wrote:  J >My recently acquired VAXstation 3100/48 needs a system disk.  What is theI >Seagate/Quantum/Maxtor equivalent of a 1 GB drive (RZ26-B I believe)?  I 2 >want to search eBay with the proper model number.  J The Seagate equivalent is a Hawk.  I can vouch for the ST31200N which is aF low-profile Hawk 1, and the ST31230N which is a low-profile Hawk 2.  I wouldsE hazard a guess that you will be okay with the half-height versions asdI detailed at http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/specs/family_hawk.html asa  RZ26s came in both form factors.  J Quantum also supplied Fireballs to Digital as RZ26s, but without the magicD RZ label I think you might be best avoiding them.  Folklore suggests QuantumgI drives are a bit more hit-and-miss as generic replacements, compared with? Seagate.  F Maxtor ?  Doubt it.  Some of the smaller RZ2x drives were Connors, butI unless you like having a brew every time the system decides to access theg drive, I would steer clear.e  H A 1Gb system disk is a pretty reasonable size for OpenVMS/Vax, even now.H It's easy enough to shunt the page, swap and dump files to another disk, and.I should you even then find things getting tight, it is possible to migrateb. directories.  [.syshlp...] is not a bad start.                  John    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:10:19 +0100m+ From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk>o% Subject: Re: RZ26-B in the real worldv8 Message-ID: <0ectavgu083cq8p8p5slblkccct1a2c854@4ax.com>  H On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:54:54 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  < >Of course, there may be aproblem finding a disk that small.  I Indeed.  But in the more populous and larger sizes, you can start gettingoK into other compatibility issues.  A /48 is the larger box and has plenty ofs room for additional disks.  K If pushed, a disk > 1Gb can be carefully but safely set up for bootable VMSwB use, provided you are willing to install a virtual disk driver andE "partitition" the surplus beyond the 1Gb point into a further volume. D Backup and recovery will also need a little care, but again it's not impossible.h  I I found about half a dozen suitable 1Gb Seagates on Ebay without too much,I difficulty.  Searching for RZ26, even in completed items, returned zilch.n     	John    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:03:38 +0000 (UTC)o. From: "Sanface Software" <sanface@sanface.com> Subject: Shareware: txt2pdf 6.5rH Message-ID: <3ac4e02ecd6c381a277bb37e3c1ad8ff.93245@mygate.mailgate.org>  / We would like to announce txt2pdf 6.5 version. 5# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.htmlhE txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 scriptdH that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in every8 operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS.; It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc.c) Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PROd- http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdf & http://www.sanface.com/pdf/invoice.pdf$ http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdfi@ If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux,G Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version is Visualg txt2pdf, a VB GUI.   What's new in this version   Simplified Chinese font supports   Test txt2pdf 6.5! 6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html     -- I8 Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:12:07 GMTs# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> ' Subject: Re: StorageTek on SAN with VMSh< Message-ID: <HSura.40157$My6.576020@twister.tampabay.rr.com>  L Thanks for the update David.   Our new STK silo is sitting on the floor nextF to our old one just waiting to be connected to the FC switches.  I wasL getting a little worried.  These things are not cheap and I don't remember a money-back guarantee.t    < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3EADDB5B.82429F35@fsi.net...e > "John N." wrote: > >c
 > > David, > >rL > > How did it go?  We just upgraded our GS140 to VMS 7.3-1 this weekend andI > > will be firing up our STK L700 (filled with SDLT tapes) soon.  We areoL > > replacing an older STK silo that was directly connected to the GS140 via > > multiple scsi boards.d >cH > Well, I dunno, but we have 6 SDLT-320 drives in each of two libraries,G > and four FC links to four "NSRs" (they're really STK labelled), on FCe: > link per. Oh yeah, we have six FC paths to the Tape SAN. >,@ > Let's just say that throughput is quite good. Everyone is very > impressed. >oF > We have a few SLS wrinkles to iron out, otherwise we're really good. >s > -- > David J. Dachteral > dba DJE Systemse > http://www.djesys.com/ >o* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:07:56 GMTs# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>  Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1< Message-ID: <MOura.40136$My6.575791@twister.tampabay.rr.com>  H Thanks Mark.  I thought the answers (from both Bob's) were unnecessarilyF sarcastic.  Even Andrew would not have posted such juvenile responses.H Changing stacks is not a short term option, even if we were so inclined.L This reflects badly on VMS itself since the problem is only occurring on VMSF 7.3-1 nodes and provides ammunition to those that want to supplant yet' another large, but tenuous VMS bastion.l  L I remember a day when this board was actually helpful to those seeking such.    3 "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> wrote in messages8 news:Jzgra.123299$gK.227279@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messager9 > news:d7791aa1.0304280947.61222dfa@posting.google.com...i >a > > get TCPware ...t > I > Another highly helpful answer from Bob. It's completely stupid to think  thatF > changing the TCP/IP stack will solve all of the problems. If I, as aL > consultant, worked like Bob, I'd be panhandling on street corners. This isK > most likely a system resourse problem and will probably impact TCPware ind a  > different way. >aI > While it's true that earlier versions of TCPIP Services were, um, belowX par,J > the current versions are quite good, and in fact, independant benchmarksC > show that it performs better than TCPware or Multinet in terms ofn
 > throughput.e > I > Don't get me wrong, I happen to like TCPware, and in fact, installed itt forlH > numerous clients. I used to be able to "sell up" customers when it wasJ > clearly better, even when they already had a license for TCPIP Services, buta
 > no more. >  > -- > Mark E. Levy$ > System Management Associates, Inc. > www.sysman-inc.com > www.openvms.comr >  >f >q   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2003 09:10:52 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)M Subject: Want VMS on Opteron?  The Emerald (Prism/Mica) stuff is still there! = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0304290810.5de422f2@posting.google.com>s  7 What easier way to get on opteron then roll out Emeraldt IA32 ...   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.236 ************************