1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 02 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 423       Contents:5 Re: "Advanced server" and Samba Domain Authentication G Re: Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70?  (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates)  Re: DSSI problem Re: duplicating system disks help : connection reset by peer  Re: HP FUDBusting E Re: IDC reports PC Market Share: Dell over HP by a nose; both pulling + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer  Re: Itanium performance news...  Re: Itanium performance news... D Re: KZPCC-CE (three channel RAID controller) - poor read performance2 Re: Migrate obsolete VAX/VMS SW to OpenVMS Itanium2 Re: Migrate obsolete VAX/VMS SW to OpenVMS Itanium2 Re: Migrate obsolete VAX/VMS SW to OpenVMS Itanium Re: NCP question/ Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some) * Re: OT: Rolling Stones permanently stained* Re: OT: Rolling Stones permanently stainedB Re: PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processorP Re: PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processor Systems Now S Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead  Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead  Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead  Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead  Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead  Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead 2 Re: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)2 Re: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)2 Re: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)2 RE: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)F Re: Sun Micro Profit, Revenues Fall - H-P retains server shipment lead Re: TCP/IP feature request Re: TCP/IP feature request Re: Teergrube for VMS ?  Re: Teergrube for VMS ?  Re: Teergrube for VMS ?  Re: Teergrube for VMS ?  RE: Teergrube for VMS ? 0 The odd places you can find an LA-120 these days, Re: The solution is... Rhonda Lea does Mezei Re: Web Apps for VMS Re: Web Apps for VMS Re: Web Apps for VMS& Re: [Change topic -> OT] Pence/Pennies& Re: [Change topic -> OT] Pence/Pennies  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2003 11:12:42 -0700 0 From: Steven Santinelli <santinelli@smscomp.com>> Subject: Re: "Advanced server" and Samba Domain Authentication( Message-ID: <bgeaiq0asi@drn.newsguy.com>  L Tom - Check out this article... Should help you get an understanding of what your want to do:  . http://www.linux-mag.com/2002-02/samba_01.html     Steve     I In article <tomnews-D09CC4.21404608072003@news.comcast.giganews.com>, Tom  says...  > E >OK, I'm asking a question to which the answer is either "Yeah! I am  ! >doing that here!" or "YOU FOOL!"  >  >Either way, here goes:  > F >We are planning to replace our MicroVAX tomorrow with an AlphaServer F >DS20. That should be a welcome change, assuming all goes as planned. D >Now, I also run a RedHat linux file server that handles all of our G >fileserving and e-mail chores. Since the Alpha is going to be running  I >our "mission-critical" software, I'm not planning on using it as a file  4 >server via OpenVMS advanced server. (nee Pathworks) > I >However, I would like to make it possible to keep the OpenVMS passwords  , >in sync with the Samba server's passwords. H >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/pathworks/advancedserver.html states in part: > B >"Ability to allow domain users to log in to their OpenVMS account> >using their domain user name and password (domain and OpenVMS@ >passwords are synchronized automatically; only one password for? >users to remember, and only one user name/password combination   >for administrators to manage!)" > D >Would it be possible to do this using a Samba server as a PDC? Has J >anyone done it? The main idea being that if I make it easy for people to C >change their passwords, I can make it that much easier to enforce   >password controls.  >   >The DS-20 will be running 7.3.1* >The RedHat Box runs RH8.0 and Samba 2.2.7 > G >Any help would be great. Even if it is only "RUN! Don't even think of   >it!"  >  >Tom   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:42:30 -0700 - From: dundas@caltech.edu (John A. Dundas III) P Subject: Re: Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70?  (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates)< Message-ID: <dundas-0108031442300001@dundas-mac.caltech.edu>  3 In article <5arTa.6759$9f7.783529@news02.tsnz.net>, + don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes) wrote:   9 > In article <62789131a4960a272be481f908c0246d@TeraNews>, . > Michael Ross  <abaddon@attglobal.net> wrote:H > >IIRC, one had a 'snake chasing its tail' pattern - several LEDs wouldG > >light in sequence, starting on the left, running across to the right 7 > >and disappearing, then starting on the left again...  > >  > >?RSTS???  > A > Yep.  And on machines with supervisor mode (until recently when I > supervisor mode got used for real work), they did something clever with G > the addressing so that the same pattern, in reverse, appeared on the  J > address lines.  It looked like the snakes were chasing each other aroundI > and around the two rows of lights.  It looked bloody good in a darkened  > room full of 11/70s...  J It's my understanding that worked in RSTS from around V8 (? well after 7.2H anyway) to V9.1.  The code was removed in V9.2.  In V7.2 and prior (down' to what?) only the data lights "moved".   H Anyone remember what setting the address display select switch should beF set to?  I assume one should be watching Supervisor I or D space.  The6 data display select switch needs to be set to Bus Reg.  G I am trying to emulate this on a Mac using SIMH as the base.  I can see D the data lights moving, however the address lights don't do anythingJ interesting in any of the settings.  Was there a patch necessary to enable the address display?  J Can any users of "real" blinkenlights machines (45/50/55/70, maybe others)4 help out here?  Anyone running RSTS on one of these?   Thanks,    John   --   John A. Dundas III2 Director, Information Technology Services, Caltech+ Mail Code: 014-81, Pasadena, CA  91125-8100 A Phone: 626.395.3392 FAX: 626.449.6973 <mailto:dundas@caltech.edu>    ------------------------------   Date: 02 Aug 2003 00:04:17 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com> Subject: Re: DSSI problem 0 Message-ID: <slrnbim001.sh.thierry@VENUS.Family>  C In article <87el06nqs6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi wrote: 9 > You didn't knock either of the terminators off did you?   / Umm... I didn't see anything like a terminator. < I cleaned everything up again, as said in the post before... but it still doesn't see them.> As it is now, there is a backplane with slots in it, where the> hard disk enclosures fit in.  There is only one possibility to? put the hard disk in such that you can put the screws.  Then on ? the front there is a cable to the plastic front, where the LEDs 9 are, and the write-protection button and the DSSI number. A I've also tried to remove one disk after the other but it doesn't  make any difference.  4 Do you know where the terminators are on a VAX 4000?   Thierry    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:45:13 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: Re: duplicating system disks $ Message-ID: <bge8v9$cvm$1@online.de>  f In article <3F1B1B2D.F267B574@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:   > It doesn't make H > a lot of sense to use the "golden brick" to do the upgrade as it takesD > approximately the same amount of time to make all of the necessaryG > changes as it does to just copy the latest patch set from the "master J > disk",  stick in the CD, do the upgrade, apply the patches and reboot...  D What do you mean by "latest patch set"?  I can understand if you areF referring to VMS UPGRADES, but suppose you have a lot of compilers etcF which have been updated on the system disk?  (I have ONLY DEC stuff onB the system disk---nothing else (except Rdb, if one has it) belongs there.)    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2003 13:13:47 -0700 + From: harishcdp@netscape.net (Harish Reddy) ( Subject: help : connection reset by peer= Message-ID: <1b596e2e.0308011213.70a81c37@posting.google.com>    hello F I tried to ssh to a linux cluster... i usually do from a vms system..i got a message like read: conncetion reset by peer6 after a couple of minutes after issuing the command...B i tried to ping the linux machine..and i observed that there is no; packet loss..all icmp packets are exchanging as i expected. F i wonder why it happens and my second one is "what is meant by a peer" in this context. help me please....  
 -harish reddy    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:37:10 -0000 , From: "James T. Dennis" <jadestar@idiom.com> Subject: Re: HP FUDBusting% Message-ID: <1059784629.899886@smirk>   @ In comp.unix.admin Bill Gunshannon <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote:7 > In article <20030722205651.4071.qmail@gacracker.org>, ? >        Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: I >> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> wrote: C >>>>I guess people who're primarly programmers prefer Unix, whereas  >>>administrators prefer VMS  N >>>Perhaps among the programmers you know, but that's a self-selected list and >>>very atypical.   	 >> Quite.   Q >> When you've horribly mangled something and have a versioning filesystem you'll  >> be thankful.    K > 1.  Any programmer worth his salt saves intermediate versions of his work D > in case a roll back is required.  Even if the system has versions.  J > 2.  Any of the source management tools some of which have been availableJ > on Unix since the early days (RCS, SCCS, CVS) make rollbacks possible if$ > you decide you went the wrong way.  G > But, just like with VMS, it is the programmers responsibility to make F > use of the tools available to him. (you can set the versions to 1 inH > your login.com and I have seen students do this in order to save space! > because their quotas were low.)   L > It always comes back to the same thing, On ei snot necessarily better thanL > the other, just different.  Better or worse is in the eye of the beholder.   > bill  F  This is another example of the classic "mechanism" vs. policy debate.K  UNIX provides mechanisms (mostly in userspace) to provide file versioning, I  version control, and transactional/rollback capabilities.  UNIX favors a F  client/server approach to most of these issues --- CVS and any commonG  RDBMS are examples.  Let the DBMS or the version control system manage F  their own transactional needs according to their unique requirements.  I  Of course any version of UNIX *can* also offer filesystem versioning and -  some experimental patches add this to Linux.      --   Jim Dennis, $ Starshine: Signed, Sealed, Delivered   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:14:47 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>N Subject: Re: IDC reports PC Market Share: Dell over HP by a nose; both pulling) Message-ID: <3F2AAE13.E24FCF9A@istop.com>    Mark Buda wrote:L > 2002 ending June 2002, Sun's net loss of $587 million would have surged toD > $1.2 billion if the company had accounted for options. Stock-based> > compensation tacked on an additional $647 million in costs." > 8 > When one digs deeper, you find how bad it really is!!!  & I suspect all is fine and well at HP ?  K Considering how TCPIP Services is key to VMS' survival, considering that it I needs quite a cleanup, and brush up and updates, are HP's big fat profits L allowing HP to increase manpower to the group in charge of TCPIP services ?   W There are rumours circulating to the contrary. At least Sun has increased R&D spending.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:09:21 -0400 + From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> 4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer8 Message-ID: <fmllivkv63gr9g4fgrjs60p9dt2t1628sk@4ax.com>  H On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:01:19 -0700, Alan Frisbie <Abuse@Flying-Disk.com> wrote:  ; >As I was clearing out this morning's accumulation of spam, ? >I found the usual "Microsoft security patch".   Uh huh, right. 2 >Like I would ever install such code on my system.  M It's not a spammer - it's a virus that harvests addresses from various places  on the infected system.    Steve    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 03 07:56:35 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer) Message-ID: <MnJGOB7yZr1D@elias.decus.ch>   f In article <fmllivkv63gr9g4fgrjs60p9dt2t1628sk@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes:J > On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:01:19 -0700, Alan Frisbie <Abuse@Flying-Disk.com> > wrote: > < >>As I was clearing out this morning's accumulation of spam,@ >>I found the usual "Microsoft security patch".   Uh huh, right.3 >>Like I would ever install such code on my system.  > O > It's not a spammer - it's a virus that harvests addresses from various places  > on the infected system.  >   G In spite of the irritation factor, I find it mildly amusing that I only F get these "MS updates" on my VMS email addresses. Never on the addressM I use for my Mac, and never on my PC at work (although the latter is probably  due to mail filters).    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2003 14:01:02 -0500 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ( Subject: Re: Itanium performance news...3 Message-ID: <HH9ibwP40Huv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <QaCdncyykrF3P7eiU-KYvA@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:gzCra0GHiUHR@eisner.encompasserve.org...   , > My statement to which you were responding,  	 	Is this:   c http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=gzCra0GHiUHR%40eisner.encompasserve.org&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain   + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ( Subject: Re: Itanium performance news...  Date: 31 Jul 2003 23:02:53 -0500   >>> >> Nonsense.  Sun had a disasterous 2002 (on par with the 2003* >> disaster?  Don't know - have to check). > 4 > Of course you don't know - because you're wrong.    1 	Sun by their own account had a disasterous 2002:   : http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/investor/financials/index.html   Financial Highlights (fiscal years ended June 30)     <                                2002       2001      2000         = Net revenues*                 $12,496   $18,250   $15,721        ; Operating income* (loss)      ($1,248)   $1,311   $2,393       : Net income* (loss)               ($587)   $927   $1,854        				Rob    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:11:03 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: Itanium performance news...2 Message-ID: <-XGdnWDpZI_2VLeiXTWJhQ@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:HH9ibwP40Huv@eisner.encompasserve.org...   9 <snipped yet another completely irrelevant post of yours>   J Learn to read, Rob.  Then reread the post to which you responded.  Then byJ all means try to come up with a pertinent response if you feel it requires one.   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2003 14:50:50 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) M Subject: Re: KZPCC-CE (three channel RAID controller) - poor read performance = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0308011350.241a73f8@posting.google.com>   f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<ZDIq29z4GGJu@eisner.encompasserve.org>...
 > 	The HSJ> > 	series doesn't have prefetch.  I think prefetch shows up in, > 	the HSx80 series (anyone care to confirm?  > The HSJ80 does have read-ahead caching, as does the HSG80 (and presumably the HSG60).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:46:17 -0400) From: "David @ Island" <david-@-hpaq.net> ; Subject: Re: Migrate obsolete VAX/VMS SW to OpenVMS Itanium / Message-ID: <vilrcgd9numk3f@news.supernews.com>    But is that really the case?  ; Remember we have Alpha systems at below Intel boxen prices.  Loads of them in fact = Still don't hear the phone ringing any more than usual though      DT7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3F269E9B.9D46B163@istop.com...  > jlsue wrote:L > > But it's also the nature of the beast.  With hundreds of systems, you'veE > > got to apply hundreds of patches and fight hundreds of fires, and  replace . > > all of this on a regular basis to keep up. > I > But that isn't the problem of the people who make the buying decisions.  TheyK > have a capital budget to work with and that budget allows them to buy all K > those wintel boxes for less than serious boxes. They don't care that this  willL > result in much more manpower requirements because that is payroll related, not L > a capital expenditure. Besides, they can argue that it is a necessary evilI > because geting manpower for serious systems is expensive and difficult,  while H > they can (and unfortunatly do) get "windows experts" right out of high school > very easily. > L > (Of course, the fact that they hire folks very well vered in running games onJ > windows doesn't help the situation). I have a feeling that if they hiredK > extremely competent, experience folks to run their windows crap, it would  beH > far less troublesome because those senior people would know better and close I > up all the gaping holes, turn off all those dangerous features etc etc    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2003 17:56:24 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: Migrate obsolete VAX/VMS SW to OpenVMS Itanium 3 Message-ID: <fCEcD60eKwKN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <vilrcgd9numk3f@news.supernews.com>, "David @ Island" <david-@-hpaq.net> writes:  > But is that really the case? > = > Remember we have Alpha systems at below Intel boxen prices.  > Loads of them in fact ? > Still don't hear the phone ringing any more than usual though   L Don't mistake grousing in comp.os.vms for people really willing to purchase.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:08:14 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ; Subject: Re: Migrate obsolete VAX/VMS SW to OpenVMS Itanium ' Message-ID: <3F2B1D0E.8C3606FF@fsi.net>    "David @ Island" wrote:  >  > But is that really the case? > = > Remember we have Alpha systems at below Intel boxen prices.  > Loads of them in fact ? > Still don't hear the phone ringing any more than usual though   ? ...and you've placed big, visible, people-grabbing ads in which 
 publications?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:54:50 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: NCP question 1 Message-ID: <bgegoa$2j$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>    Wolf, Gerald J wrote: + > Currently the NCP database does not show:  >  > Designated router  > Adjacent node ( > and the hardware address are all zeros > 1 > How can I set/define these in the NCP database?  > 
 > Regards, > 
 > Gerald Wolf     9 I assume you mean the permanent DECnet database on disk ?   L If so then I'm afraid you can't define these things in the database. Unlike Q TCP/IP you don't have to do (and even can't do) these settings. DECnet finds the  Q designated router automaticaly, and it can change too automatically if there are  9 changes in the routers (other priority, new router etc.).   0 The adjacent nodes are also found automatically.  M The hardware address is read during startup, so you don't have to set/define   that either.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:01:45 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)$ Message-ID: <bge9u8$cvm$3@online.de>  2 In article <3F1C7C55.52017983@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:    > Neil Rieck wrote: P > > Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I wonder if RDB will be moved fromL > > Oracle back to OpenVMS engineering? (Although this might not be fiscally8 > > possible unless Larry Ellison is feeling charitable) >  > How big is Oracle on VMS ? > = > I am asking this naively (no accusations or rumours here) :  > O > Could Oracle/HP decide to drop one of the two databases and focus on just one M > ? Or is Oracle more or less on equal footing as RDB making it impossible to  > drop either on VMS ?  I If Oracle dropped Rdb (without, say, it returning to VMS engineering), I  H doubt that ANY former Rdb customer would even CONSIDER Oracle on VMS as 
 an option.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:27:37 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)3 Subject: Re: OT: Rolling Stones permanently stained $ Message-ID: <bgebep$cvm$4@online.de>  2 In article <3F25CF33.8CB1B0E9@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   M > This week, the Rolling Stones are holding a benefit concert to help rebuild - > the devastated Toronto economy due to Sars.  > N > They are also plastering the media with ads, and the one song that they keepB > on using is the Microsoft "Start me up". (Remember Windows 95 ?)  F There was a long thread a while back about this and the fact that REM H refused to let MicroSoft use one of their songs.  There was speculation B on which it was.  Citing forced migrations, I thought it might be G "Losing my Religion" but someone pointed out that "It's the End of the  F World as we Know it and I Feel Fine" would be more appropriate to the ! mentality of a Microsoft adopter.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:20:42 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 3 Subject: Re: OT: Rolling Stones permanently stained G Message-ID: <uYzWa.70445$rsJ.1382@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   * "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply"2 <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote in message news:bgebep$cvm$4@online.de...4 > In article <3F25CF33.8CB1B0E9@istop.com>, JF Mezei% > <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  > B > > This week, the Rolling Stones are holding a benefit concert to help rebuild/ > > the devastated Toronto economy due to Sars.  > > F > > They are also plastering the media with ads, and the one song that	 they keep D > > on using is the Microsoft "Start me up". (Remember Windows 95 ?) > C > There was a long thread a while back about this and the fact that  REM = > refused to let MicroSoft use one of their songs.  There was  speculation C > on which it was.  Citing forced migrations, I thought it might be D > "Losing my Religion" but someone pointed out that "It's the End of the C > World as we Know it and I Feel Fine" would be more appropriate to  the # > mentality of a Microsoft adopter.   D I wonder is HP has licensed use of The Doors song "The End" for when they kill VMS.   The Doors (1967) The End    This is the end  Beautiful friend This is the end  My only friend, the end    Of our elaborate plans, the end " Of everything that stands, the end No safety or surprise, the end& I'll never look into your eyes...again .....     C Better they should license "Light My Fire" and use a bit of it in a  VMS ad campaign...   {music}  The time to hesitate is through  No time to wallow in the mire  {music}   F while flashing Windows, Linux, and unix product names on-screen, or atE least identifiable screen shots that permit viewers to make their own  associations   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2003 21:46:52 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) K Subject: Re: PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processor 3 Message-ID: <T97Kf3tAwapF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3F2B1F67.C32EDC2F@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Ken Farmer wrote:  >>  M >> PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processor Systems Now  >> Shipping < >> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/08/01/5909099 > I > I'm looking forward to our GS1280s being upped from 12 to 16 CPUs, then I > to 32 at some later time. These things are REALLY quick as is - oughtta 6 > really be something in the newer configurations, eh?  C Of course that depends on whether CPU is your issue.  If disk speed B is your gating factor other things might need to be adjusted, such as the source code :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:18:15 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processor Systems Now S ' Message-ID: <3F2B1F67.C32EDC2F@fsi.net>    Ken Farmer wrote:  > L > PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processor Systems Now
 > Shipping; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/08/01/5909099   G I'm looking forward to our GS1280s being upped from 12 to 16 CPUs, then G to 32 at some later time. These things are REALLY quick as is - oughtta 4 really be something in the newer configurations, eh?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:01:55 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead% Message-ID: <bgedf3$cvm$10@online.de>   = In article <f936a854.0307310611.7f86a438@posting.google.com>, + robert_kersey@bat.com (Rob Kersey) writes:    C > What are the disadvantages of using a quorom disk as opposed to a  > quorom node?    H The quorum disk has to have a physical connection to both systems.  One G reason I don't use it is because that's not possible with the low-cost    hardware in my hobbyist cluster.  E One advantage of a third node is that if there is a problem with one  F node, one can log in to the third node and have a look around without G worrying about disturbing the remaining good "main node".  (Of course,  I for this purpose one would want to serve ALL disks and mount them on ALL  I nodes, even if they are only used by one.)  Also, if you have a cluster,  F volume shadowing is very nice.  At least with a low-cost setup like I 5 have, a third node acts as an additional disk server!    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:04:29 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead% Message-ID: <bgedjs$cvm$11@online.de>   H In article <bgblka$5ni$2@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:   G > A quorum node of something like an old Alphastation 2xx with its own  7                                                       ^ ) No longer supported as of 7.3, I believe.   I > system disk can be had for cheap.  Just make sure the sysgen parameters I > are set so it doesn't try to master lock trees or whatever if the other ' > cluster members are powerful systems.   G I have found that old VAX machines make nice low-end cluster members.   H The smaller models generally are quieter than the ALPHAs (at least mine F are).  The VAXstation 4000/60 and /90 (quite a powerful machine at 32  VUPs, actually) come to mind.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:16:06 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org& Subject: Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead) Message-ID: <03080115160613@antinode.org>   P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  I > > A quorum node of something like an old Alphastation 2xx with its own  9 >                                                       ^ + > No longer supported as of 7.3, I believe.   F    You might try reading the SPD instead of believing incorrectly (and* then propagating those beliefs).  I quote:   [...]    Alpha Systems Supported   7 This section lists the Alpha systems that are supported 4 by OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3. Refer to the appropri-8 ate page at the following website for details concerning* Alpha hardware configurations and options:   [...] '     AlphaStation 200 (All chip speeds) '     AlphaStation 250 (All chip speeds) "     AlphaStation 255/233, 255/300 [...]   3 OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-1 is the final version to  support the following systems:     DEC 2000 Models 300/500     Tadpole AlphaBook 1    H    VMS has a history of support for very old hardware, which is nice for us collectors of old junk.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode,org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:21:35 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) & Subject: Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead( Message-ID: <bgelkv$djl$1@pcls4.std.com>  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  I >In article <bgblka$5ni$2@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com  >(Michael Moroney) writes:    H >> A quorum node of something like an old Alphastation 2xx with its own 8 >                                                      ^* >No longer supported as of 7.3, I believe.  H The only Alphas with a maximum supported version at the support chart atL http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/supportchart.html are the DEC 2000 300/500I and the Tadpole Alphabooks.  The alphastation 200 I'm typing on now works / fine on the 7.3-2 internal baselevel I'm using.   F I just mentioned them since they are small, cheap and you can pop in aI PCI card for a fast ethernet to hook it up if the built-in 10MHz ethernet  can't be used.  H >I have found that old VAX machines make nice low-end cluster members.  I >The smaller models generally are quieter than the ALPHAs (at least mine  G >are).  The VAXstation 4000/60 and /90 (quite a powerful machine at 32   >VUPs, actually) come to mind.  G They work great as a quorum node as well and might come in handy if you  have any vax-only SW.  --   -Mike    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:37:54 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead$ Message-ID: <bgemji$p0b$1@online.de>  C In article <03080115160613@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:    K > > > A quorum node of something like an old Alphastation 2xx with its own  ; > >                                                       ^ - > > No longer supported as of 7.3, I believe.  > 5 > OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-1 is the final version to   > support the following systems: >     DEC 2000 Models 300/500  F Sorry, I was thinking of the DEC 2000, not the ALPHAstation 2xx.  (AndF as you point out it is 7.3-2 which is the first non-supported release,H not 7.3.  However, I suspect that if people run 7.3, they will probably 8 want to go to 7.3-2 relatively soon after it comes out.)  J >    VMS has a history of support for very old hardware, which is nice for > us collectors of old junk.   Couldn't agree more.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 01:20:30 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> & Subject: Re: Quorom Disk/Node Overhead; Message-ID: <ylEWa.54402$7O4.1211963@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   J Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:bgemji$p0b$1@online.de... D > In article <03080115160613@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes: > L > > > > A quorum node of something like an old Alphastation 2xx with its own= > > >                                                       ^ / > > > No longer supported as of 7.3, I believe.  > > 7 > > OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-1 is the final version to " > > support the following systems:  > >     DEC 2000 Models 300/500 > H > Sorry, I was thinking of the DEC 2000, not the ALPHAstation 2xx.  (AndH > as you point out it is 7.3-2 which is the first non-supported release,I > not 7.3.  However, I suspect that if people run 7.3, they will probably : > want to go to 7.3-2 relatively soon after it comes out.) > L > >    VMS has a history of support for very old hardware, which is nice for > > us collectors of old junk. >  > Couldn't agree more.  K And just because it is "not supported" does not mean that it will not work. B It just means that I cannot call my TAM and complain about it. :-)   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:44:09 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply); Subject: Re: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)s$ Message-ID: <bgecdp$cvm$7@online.de>  @ In article <Z3XVa.43$Hx3.48739@news.uswest.net>, "Carlc Internet/ Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com> writes: a  G > As an ISP provider, I've setup email servers with RBL and reverse DNSo > checking.t  B Do you reject stuff where the IP address does not translate to theH domain name (bad---there are many legitimate reasons to do this, i.e useD CNAME, TCPIP$SMTP_FROM etc), or do you reject stuff where the domain1 name does not translate to the IP address (good)?    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2003 13:50:08 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?) 3 Message-ID: <rZSu8LLBbdiy@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  w In article <bgecdp$cvm$7@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: B > In article <Z3XVa.43$Hx3.48739@news.uswest.net>, "Carlc Internet1 > Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com> writes: e > H >> As an ISP provider, I've setup email servers with RBL and reverse DNS >> checking. > D > Do you reject stuff where the IP address does not translate to theJ > domain name (bad---there are many legitimate reasons to do this, i.e use  I The IP address should translate to some domain name which translates back- to the IP address.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:30:23 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply); Subject: Re: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)n% Message-ID: <bgef4f$cvm$15@online.de>n  3 In article <rZSu8LLBbdiy@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   K > The IP address should translate to some domain name which translates back- > to the IP address.  ) OK, that's also a reasonable possibility.a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:54:03 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>"; Subject: RE: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?).9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEBPHLAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message-----t5 >From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]s' >Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:50 AM< >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >Subject: Re: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?) >  >u& >In article <bgecdp$cvm$7@online.de>, B >helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES  >to reply) writes:C >> In article <Z3XVa.43$Hx3.48739@news.uswest.net>, "Carlc Internet22 >> Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com> writes:  >> pI >>> As an ISP provider, I've setup email servers with RBL and reverse DNSu
 >>> checking.g >> eE >> Do you reject stuff where the IP address does not translate to therK >> domain name (bad---there are many legitimate reasons to do this, i.e useM >dJ >The IP address should translate to some domain name which translates back >to the IP address.S  2 But that only works with static ip's, does it not?   >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.r; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003n >a ---d& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:44:27 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>O Subject: Re: Sun Micro Profit, Revenues Fall - H-P retains server shipment leadc2 Message-ID: <T_acnWwEJK-XOreiXTWJhw@metrocast.net>  5 "Mark Buda" <buda_NO@SPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in messaged4 news:eAqWa.1786$jg.751386@news1.news.adelphia.net...% > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"n' <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>-= > wrote in message news:bg8enu$4du$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...    ...   @ > > So whats you boards public position now that HP has lost itsB > > market lead in Storage and Servers. IBM was the largest serverB > > vendor in 2002 and tied with HP as the largest storage vendor. >aB > "...results from technology research firm Gartner Dataquest showF > Hewlett-Packard holding on to its worldwide lead in server shipments during > the second quarter..."  L Apples and oranges.  Andrew was most likely referring to server revenue, notH unit shipments.  And while there appears to be some disagreement betweenJ Gartner and IDC on this point, Gartner's position (since you chose to cite@ it above for shipments) is that IBM leads HP in server revenues:4 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/31062.html .   > 3 > Over 100,000 more than its closest competitior...i >s >hL http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yhoo/story.asp?source=blq/yhoo&siteid=yhoo&d@ ist=yhoo&guid=%7BCAD48FC8%2D1EBF%2D4496%2DAC0F%2D4FB0FC869E24%7D >oB > > In the subsets of the server market Dell is now the largest PC@ > > server vendor and Sun the largest UNIX vendor. In almost all+ > > HP's markets it is losing market share.h >o > HP had 30%   29.5%   $ > of the server market sales, up 16%   15.7%    > and growing.  L Not compared with the market as a whole.  15.7% growth in a market that grew: 17.6% equates to *loss* of market share - as Andrew noted.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:22:03 GMTu; From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net>a# Subject: Re: TCP/IP feature request : Message-ID: <fdyWa.1894$jg.904252@news1.news.adelphia.net>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagep7 news:d7791aa1.0308010459.63899319@posting.google.com...56 > "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message3 news:<wKhWa.111$Ji1.44454@news20.bellglobal.com>...oI > > At a recent OpenVMS symposium in Ottawa, I approached Gaitan D'AntoniC with aK > > suggestion to add an "FTP API" and a "Telnet API" into "TCP/IP Services: forsL > > OpenVMS". After all, every major OS (including Windows) provides this so why K > > not OpenVMS? (BTW, these modules have been available forever in Process ) > > Software Corps "TCPware for OpenVMS")F > >>? > > I followed up with an e-mail and this is Gaitan's response.w > > 
 > > * * * * *k > >e > > -----Original Message-----< > > From: D'Antoni, Gaitan [mailto:gaitan.dantoni[at]hp.com] > > Sent: 2003-07-30 21:21 > > To: RIECK, NEILb? > > Cc: Woodcome, Lawrence [mailto:lawrence.woodcome[at]hp.com]a) > > Subject: RE: OpenVMS TCP/IP Wish Listd > >  > > Hi Neil, > > L > > I heard back from the Product Manager and the Technical Leader regarding yourH > > suggestion. This is one of the items on the list of things to do butI > > unfortunately it never seems to make it to the top of the list due tos limitedoI > > resources and other requirements. I'd say the soonest we could get too this, > > would be post V5.5, or sometime in 2005. >h@ > tcpware also has alot of other features ucx doesn't or is just= > starting to get ... instead of wasting all this developmenti= > time trying to play catchup with ucx, they should have justg: > bought tcpware, and because it is still based on the vms9 > kernel, it runs crisper than either ucx or multinet ...i  J Since we don't know what "crisper" means, I suppose you can actually claimL that it does run "crisper" and get away with it.  By the way, even TCPIP has more features than UCX.k   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:06:38 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)# Subject: Re: TCP/IP feature requestt% Message-ID: <bgednu$cvm$12@online.de>u  = In article <d7791aa1.0308010459.63899319@posting.google.com>,m+ bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: s  @ > tcpware also has alot of other features ucx doesn't or is just= > starting to get ... instead of wasting all this development-= > time trying to play catchup with ucx, they should have justi: > bought tcpware, and because it is still based on the vms9 > kernel, it runs crisper than either ucx or multinet ...@                   ^^^^^^^lH I generally don't think much of Bob's posts (ALPHA living on in Itanium F etc, Purveyor the best with no comparison data to back it up etc) but 9 always read his posts for these gems of verbal ingenuity.i   Would you like fries with that?e   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:37:57 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: Teergrube for VMS ?$ Message-ID: <bgec25$cvm$5@online.de>  > In article <bg6420$h3n$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:    > Gentle colleagues, > < > harking back a few months, one of the topics of discussion; > was the idea of running a "Teergrube" (tarpit in English)7; > on VMS, the idea being to slow down spammers drastically.e > $ > Has anyone done anything on this ? > ; > Reason being I'd like to run just such a beast on my home>9 > VMS cluster.  I suppose I could write my own ... but ife% > someone's already done the work ...r  D I also might have a system soon which I could use for this.  Please H email me any relevant information.  (I'll be away for a while and might H not be able to EASILY access the thread if some articles have expired.  H Also, it might be better to conduct such a discussion offline among the D Trusted Few, since public information about Teergrube functionality = might help the spammers (I know, security through obscurity).m   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:00:01 GMT,; From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net>r  Subject: Re: Teergrube for VMS ?: Message-ID: <RMyWa.1901$jg.916200@news1.news.adelphia.net>  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:bgec25$cvm$5@online.de...e@ > In article <bg6420$h3n$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>, Roy Omond > <Roy@Omond.net> writes:  >t > > Gentle colleagues, > >h> > > harking back a few months, one of the topics of discussion= > > was the idea of running a "Teergrube" (tarpit in English)m= > > on VMS, the idea being to slow down spammers drastically.  > >e& > > Has anyone done anything on this ? > >n= > > Reason being I'd like to run just such a beast on my home ; > > VMS cluster.  I suppose I could write my own ... but ifn' > > someone's already done the work ...h >BE > I also might have a system soon which I could use for this.  PleasesI > email me any relevant information.  (I'll be away for a while and might*H > not be able to EASILY access the thread if some articles have expired.I > Also, it might be better to conduct such a discussion offline among therE > Trusted Few, since public information about Teergrube functionality ? > might help the spammers (I know, security through obscurity).I >r  J This sounds like a very interesting idea.  Couldn't get functionality into TCPIP before V5.5, though.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:40:21 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: Teergrube for VMS ?$ Message-ID: <bgec6l$cvm$6@online.de>  H In article <bg6efa$6ut$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:   # > Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:o > % > >Has anyone done anything on this ?  > H > Yes.  I have a tarpit/hacker taunter, that essentially answers any TCPJ > requests and tries to tie up the other end.  I got the idea from (and it0 > is similar to) a Linux teergrube named LaBrea. > D > Right now, it is specific to my configuration.  I have a DSL line K > connected to a NAT router.  The NAT router sends some TCP ports to a PC, cI > some (such as HTTP port 80) to my VMS system and the default goes to a lJ > second ethernet card running my teergrube.  It has its own TCP/IP stack D > and doesn't need or use any "real" TCP/IP stack such as UCX/TCPIP. > L > It is sometimes quite effective.  I have had "connections" to it last for H > over a week, and even have had "connections" survive reboots on my endK > (my code is stateless, the remote system time out and retransmit a packets > which my tarpit answers) > 9 > It still needs improvement, but does work to a point...u  G I have a similar setup which I might want to use for this purpose.  Is RF your code easily portable to a similar setup?  What's it written in?   Can you send me the source?<   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:53:09 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)i  Subject: Re: Teergrube for VMS ?( Message-ID: <bgeng5$djl$2@pcls4.std.com>  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  I >In article <bg6efa$6ut$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.comt >(Michael Moroney) writes: t  $ >> Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes: >> n& >> >Has anyone done anything on this ? >>  I >> Yes.  I have a tarpit/hacker taunter, that essentially answers any TCPa [snip]  H >I have a similar setup which I might want to use for this purpose.  Is G >your code easily portable to a similar setup?  What's it written in?    >Can you send me the source?  F I'm now cleaning up the source a little so I can make it available andA it is more easily portable.  The code is in regular C. (not C++).H  G If anyone else is interested, email me (remove the 'spaamtrap' from theA# address in the From: line to do so)d -- o -Miket   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:42:09 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s  Subject: RE: Teergrube for VMS ?9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIECDHLAA.tom@kednos.com>o   Mike,g  H I tried sending a mail to you direct to indicate my interest, but it wasA rejected, probably because you are trying to do a reverse lookup?.   Tomu   >-----Original Message-----n? >From: Michael Moroney [mailto:moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com] & >Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:53 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com! >Subject: Re: Teergrube for VMS ?s >o >oB >helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES  >to reply) writes: > J >>In article <bg6efa$6ut$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com >>(Michael Moroney) writes:  >3% >>> Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:  >>> ' >>> >Has anyone done anything on this ?u >>> J >>> Yes.  I have a tarpit/hacker taunter, that essentially answers any TCP >[snip], >)I >>I have a similar setup which I might want to use for this purpose.  Is  H >>your code easily portable to a similar setup?  What's it written in?   >>Can you send me the source?  >lG >I'm now cleaning up the source a little so I can make it available and.B >it is more easily portable.  The code is in regular C. (not C++). >uH >If anyone else is interested, email me (remove the 'spaamtrap' from the$ >address in the From: line to do so) >--  >-Mike >e >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.e; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003n >  ---i& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:04:11 -0400# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>_9 Subject: The odd places you can find an LA-120 these days2: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDIECEDMAA.dallen@nist.gov>  E LA-120's never die - they just go to the hobby shop in the garage ;-)   K http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_mill/Modifications/Power_feed/power_feed.htm    Dana   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 04:42:49 GMT,- From: "alohacyberian" <alohacyberian@att.net>n5 Subject: Re: The solution is... Rhonda Lea does MezeiAH Message-ID: <djHWa.84281$0v4.5624786@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  M But, killfiling you is exactly what anon flood boy has in mind, isn't it?  KMn -- oA (-:alohacyberian:-)  At my website there are 3000 live cameras ornA visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connecto> to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all@ about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/  C "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondaleakirk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messagea3 news:bgdv3t$np5mc$1@ID-181658.news.uni-berlin.de...f > "Island" wrote:b > > Well, that was strange > > :0|t >e1 > Only because you haven't been paying attention.s > = > That's not a criticism, by the way. It would be smarter forw: > everyone to killfile my name in the "from" and "subject"> > lines, which will prevent you from having to endure both the5 > abusive posts and any replies I might make to them., >o > Anon Flood Boy is on a roll. >s > rl >n< > > "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondaleakirk@worldnet.att.net> wrote > in message7 > > news:bgbefh$mv2ve$1@ID-181658.news.uni-berlin.de...n > > > starwars wrote:" >d > <snipped>r   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:55:43 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Web Apps for VMSh$ Message-ID: <bged3e$cvm$8@online.de>  6 In article <00A23A59.5A67DFAF@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,F winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:   P > I think WASD is probably easier to get started with.  OSU also runs very well,M > but WASD has really excellent documentation and there's a certain amount ofoM > stuff you'll only get on OSU from reading the code or asking on the supportt	 > list.  s >  > < shameless plug > > K > You can overcome some of the getting-started documentation woes by buying@D > my book: OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD: The Nonstop WebserverP > (20%  discount on this and other VMS-related titles from Digital Press if you B > click through from the link on the www.openvms.compaq.com page). >  > </shameless plug>   H I just finished reading your book.  Nice stuff.  I have been running OSUD since 1993 or something.  Apache is not an option---I want somethingF which will run on VAX, and I also don't like the "look and feel" of itA (probably because it is a unix port).  From your book, I got the fB impression that WASD performance was a bit better, and that it is E perhaps a bit more capable than OSU, and better documented.  I don't  E like $ signs in logicals in non-DEC products.  What do people think: rB is there any OTHER good reason to consider WASD, with and without F factoring in that I am familiar and happy with OSU, which seems to be  able to do all I need?  H > If you want to run WASD, join info-WASD; if you want to run OSU, join N > VMS-WEB-DAEMON.  You can ask beginner or advanced questions in either place," > and get answers round-the-clock.  E How does traffic and expertise compare between the two lists (I am a b member of the OSU list)?   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:57:03 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Web Apps for VMSa$ Message-ID: <bged5v$cvm$9@online.de>  : In article <bgckf805t@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Zane H. Healy"% <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:    + > Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:C> > > Kevin, if you want the best ... both for alpha and vax ... > 7 > > http://www.sss.co.nz/software/purveyor/purveyor.htmc > N > ?!?!?!  Purveyor *was* a nice product, but it's been dead for *how* long?  IK > think Process will provide Hobbyist Licenses for it, but that's about it.d  D As Alan says in his book, he didn't consider it since it is neither G supported nor open-source, thus not a good choice for someone starting 8 out.  G Process, by the way, SELLS COMMERCIAL "as-is" licenses for it.  I don'te+ know if there is a hobbyist license for it.n   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2003 22:45:09 GMT>2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: Web Apps for VMS , Message-ID: <bgeqhl02cnf@enews3.newsguy.com>  Q Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiclothesvax.de> wrote: D > is there any OTHER good reason to consider WASD, with and without H > factoring in that I am familiar and happy with OSU, which seems to be  > able to do all I need?  J I say that if you're happy with OSU, and it does what you need, stick withK it.  I installed WASD after buying Alan's book (a very excellent and usefulmG book I might add), and am quite happy with it.  Still I fail to see anye@ reason to replace a product you're familiar with and happy with.   		Zane   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:02:34 +0100( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>/ Subject: Re: [Change topic -> OT] Pence/Pennies79 Message-ID: <bgeofc$nrs14$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>p  ) <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in messageR9 news:OFF7977F4E.8B56E3E3-ON85256D75.005C34A6@metso.com...e >$8 > > From:  Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz on 07/31/2003 08:44 PM > >F, > > Please respond to Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz > >h  > > To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > cc:e > > 6 > > Subject:    Re: [Change topic -> OT] Pence/Pennies > >e
 > > <snip> > > 1 > > Not to mention tanners, bobs and  half-crownse > >s
 > > <snip> > >p > : > Bobs and half-crowns I know, but what is/was  "tanners"? >)   A 'tanner' was a sixpenny coin.4 And yes, in this context it is correct to use penny.J A price may have been 'and thruppence (threepence)' or 'and sixpence', butF the coins themselves were a "thrup'ny bit" or a 'sixpenny bit (or more usually, a tanner)'.     -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst.  john - at - jomatech - dot - com +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       ----& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 24/07/2003D   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 03 07:14:07 +0200P) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)h/ Subject: Re: [Change topic -> OT] Pence/Pennies ) Message-ID: <EDtmuil0ean4@elias.decus.ch>e  ^ In article <OFF7977F4E.8B56E3E3-ON85256D75.005C34A6@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > : > Bobs and half-crowns I know, but what is/was  "tanners"? >   	 Sixpence.a   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.423 ************************