1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 03 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 425       Contents: Re: 30 days from hell  30 days from hell  Re: 30 days from hell  Re: 30 days from hell  Re: 30 days from hell - Re: Help adding a larger drive to Alphaserver + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer P Re: MS Line Break Dictates (was Re: And the cherry petal falls into the  saki glP Re: MS Line Break Dictates (was Re: And the cherry petal falls into the saki glaB Re: PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processorB Re: PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processor Re: TCP/IP feature requestF Re: VAX support (was: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some))  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:05:38 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: 30 days from hell' Message-ID: <3F2BFD72.F0D7F974@fsi.net>    Sue:  E Might this be a candidate for OpenVMS success stories (even though it % involves a third-party TCP/IP stack)?    Neil Rieck wrote:  > 2 > The following two events actually just happened: >  > * * * * *  > [1st event snipped]  > * * * * *  > L > We've got a two year old Oracle application running on a Sun-Ultra-10 withM > 1-Gig of memory. Recently, this system started to crash with panic messages K > that seemed to indicate bad memory. Since replacing memory didn't fix the L > problem we contacted the vendor of the application software who traced theM > problem to a busy DHCP server. We were told by the vendor that DHCP servers N > have been known to do this on certain UNIX configurations when the number ofP > address "served up" exceeds ~1000 (apparently due to maintaining a sorted listL > combined with all that PINGing) and we had just grown to 1050. Since we'veJ > never seen s/w problems cause crashes on OpenVMS systems we thought this$ > statement was somewhat suspicious. > N > p.s. I have been told by others that this is "one reason" why blade hardwareM > is so popular in the UNIX world; It's best if you have a dedicated hardware M > platform for every major module that runs. Two DHCP servers here; three web  > servers there; and so on.  > L > Money was tight and we didn't have a spare Ultra so I was told to grab twoP > "high end" PCs and enable DHCP on each one. The first machine had Windows-2000L > with a interesting DHCP server from Weird Systems while the second one ranM > Windows-2000-Server with a built-in DHCP server. Each one was configured to M > serve up a private set of 750 addresses so we could grow to 1500 until some H > permanent solution could be found. Both windows systems were set up toO > "optimize performance for background services" and mostly everything else was M > disabled. Over the course of the next week either one of the PCs would fail M > every day with some sort of error message which would stop the service. The D > service couldn't be restarted so the system needed to be rebooted. > N > By the time a week was up I was getting frustrated with all this distractionO > and then remembered an old AlphaServer-2100 (EV45) in the next room which was O > doing SETI analysis and nothing else. Since it already had TCPware installed, P > I configured the DHCP server for 10,000 addresses then shut down the PCs. ThisL > very old (1994) Alpha has been running for one week now and the "$MON SYS"P > command never shows the CPU usage above 2% (obviously SETI is disabled but I'm6 > thinking of restarting it just to see what happens).  ( See top posted response (sorry, Larry!).   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:28:51 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: 30 days from hell: Message-ID: <pxSWa.7021$mv6.1232076@news20.bellglobal.com>  0 The following two events actually just happened:  	 * * * * *   N About a month back, my boss was talking to me about the future of our internalF application software. He always seems to be under pressure to "tow theE corporate line" which is currently tied to a big contract signed with M Microsoft. Apparently when MS software is needed in our company, all you need I to do is fill out an online questionnaire then download whatever you need N (including server software) over the intranet. The licensing is all taken careM of behind the scenes and is considered "below the radar" as far as my boss is L concerned. However, whenever I need to upgrade my OpenVMS system or renew myI annual TCPware contract, everything is considered "on the radar". To make G matters a little worse, people are always comparing my dual-CPU (Alpha) N OpenVMS system to a "2-year-old" dual-CPU (Pentium) Windows-2000-Server systemM in another department. Our system still uses the "tried-and-true" RMS (Record H Management System) and is considered "legacy" (even though we are alwaysD developing new code) by the IS/IT folk while the Windows system usesF MS-SQL-Server-2000. So obviously it would be easier to reconfigure the  database and write GUI apps etc.  L I was already signed up for the OpenVMS technical seminar in Ottawa but wentL there with an open mind realizing that I may be moving onto a Windows ServerM some time in the future. The seminar was very up-beat and made me think that:   3 1. OpenVMS is still evolving and does have a future L 2. HP seems to be doing a better job promoting OpenVMS than either Compaq or DEC   K So I'm going to just sit tight with the "tried-and-true" technology and see  what another year brings.   L Recently the Windows-2000-Server system has experienced serious problems andN has been "intermittently up" for the past 5 days. I heard that MS has directedK the installation of a few patches but the basic problem has been reduced to J the software people blaming hardware while the hardware people are blamingN software. It is my opinion that Windows still isn't as good as OpenVMS when itL comes to dealing with, or logging, hardware problems. Also, I can't rememberK when we had a hardware trouble on a VAX or Alpha (and I've got a reasonably  good memory)  # So I'm vindicated for another year.   	 * * * * *   J We've got a two year old Oracle application running on a Sun-Ultra-10 withK 1-Gig of memory. Recently, this system started to crash with panic messages I that seemed to indicate bad memory. Since replacing memory didn't fix the J problem we contacted the vendor of the application software who traced theK problem to a busy DHCP server. We were told by the vendor that DHCP servers L have been known to do this on certain UNIX configurations when the number ofN address "served up" exceeds ~1000 (apparently due to maintaining a sorted listJ combined with all that PINGing) and we had just grown to 1050. Since we'veH never seen s/w problems cause crashes on OpenVMS systems we thought this" statement was somewhat suspicious.  L p.s. I have been told by others that this is "one reason" why blade hardwareK is so popular in the UNIX world; It's best if you have a dedicated hardware K platform for every major module that runs. Two DHCP servers here; three web  servers there; and so on.   J Money was tight and we didn't have a spare Ultra so I was told to grab twoN "high end" PCs and enable DHCP on each one. The first machine had Windows-2000J with a interesting DHCP server from Weird Systems while the second one ranK Windows-2000-Server with a built-in DHCP server. Each one was configured to K serve up a private set of 750 addresses so we could grow to 1500 until some F permanent solution could be found. Both windows systems were set up toM "optimize performance for background services" and mostly everything else was K disabled. Over the course of the next week either one of the PCs would fail K every day with some sort of error message which would stop the service. The B service couldn't be restarted so the system needed to be rebooted.  L By the time a week was up I was getting frustrated with all this distractionM and then remembered an old AlphaServer-2100 (EV45) in the next room which was M doing SETI analysis and nothing else. Since it already had TCPware installed, N I configured the DHCP server for 10,000 addresses then shut down the PCs. ThisJ very old (1994) Alpha has been running for one week now and the "$MON SYS"N command never shows the CPU usage above 2% (obviously SETI is disabled but I'm4 thinking of restarting it just to see what happens).  	 * * * * *   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:09:18 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: 30 days from hell3 Message-ID: <y%TWa.70793$2j1.978576@news.chello.at>   [ In article <3F2BFD72.F0D7F974@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: F >Might this be a candidate for OpenVMS success stories (even though it& >involves a third-party TCP/IP stack)?   It might be, I don't know.- But thinking about it, I tend to believe that   - 1) one week is not enough for a success story 9 2) a temporary solution is not enough for a success story K 3) a success story needs an agreements with the management of the mentioned D 	company and I think thats hard in a (said to be) M$ centric companyF 4) Neil might not had an approvement of his management to run softwareD 	again on a non-standard platform and _might_ get in troubles if the 	story gets a wider audience  K So, it is surely a PEARL, but I doubt that it is already a success story...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:13:27 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: 30 days from hell' Message-ID: <3F2C2977.1030904@MMaz.com>    David J. Dachtera wrote:   >Sue:  > F >Might this be a candidate for OpenVMS success stories (even though it& >involves a third-party TCP/IP stack)? >    > A I wouldn't dis. TCPware so quickly, it wasn't that long ago that  H Multinet and TCPware were the only IP stacks you could get for VMS that 2 were of any quality; IMHO they are still the best!  F The fact that Process is an ISV, it could still bring value to the ad L campaign showing the vendor support for VMS and contributing to the success!   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:46:12 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: 30 days from hell0 Message-ID: <00A23CAE.D5595E84@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <pxSWa.7021$mv6.1232076@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:1 >The following two events actually just happened: 
 >{...snip...}  > 4 >1. OpenVMS is still evolving and does have a futureM >2. HP seems to be doing a better job promoting OpenVMS than either Compaq or  >DEC  H You canadians are always drinking too much! ;)  HP is doing a better jobI than Compaq?  You're joking, right?  Compaq, IMHO, didn't do shit and HP  H has me wishing I could have shit over whatever it is they're doling out!  H Don't get me wrong... with VMS in the state it's in, drinking is all you have.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:51:36 -0500% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> 6 Subject: Re: Help adding a larger drive to Alphaserver; Message-ID: <3SZWa.70738$6a3.1776835@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C35937.DD628300  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   C I believe that the current limit on VMS LUN size is 1 Terra Byte, = I Although I'll have to check the EVA docs to see if it can present a 2TB = C LUN.   We have 146GB disks (and smaller) that we are using in our = C storage arrays, so a 9GIG drive should not be a problem.  VMS was = 2 designed to use LOTS of disks on a system/cluster.  C You should not have to re-install VMS just because you are adding = J another disk drive.  It should just be an additional disk drive when you = do s SH DEV D.   Shutdown your system. 4 Install the new drive.  (Note SCSI ID on the drive.)	 Boot. =20 E You should now see the new drive.  DUAxxx.  (Depends on SCSI ID and =  technology)   
 Mike Naime=20   ,   m68k <m68k@comcast.net> wrote in message =* news:8tWcnRO_FZfOgbGiU-KYvg@comcast.com...A   I am a newbie to VMS and DEC hardware. I am in the process of = H converting most of my Linux servers on my home network to OpenVMS. Due =A to some recent donations from a local university, I now have an = I Alphaserver 300 and a VAX6000/610 with two disk arrays, 9mm tape drive, = J Infoserver and more! The VAX takes up half my garage and is power hungry =J beast (even without disk arrays turned on) compared to the little Alpha. =H I want to make the Alpha my http, IMAP, ftp, Telnet shell access server.   =20 H   Question: I want to put a larger SCSI hard drive in the Alphaserver. =H Currently it has two 1gig drives. I need at least a 8 gig drive. Can I =E simply add an 8gig drive and then do a fresh OpenVMS install, or is =   there a limit to the drive size?   =20 	   Thanks,    --=20    MARVIN JOHNSON  + ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C35937.DD628300  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>3 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =  http-equiv=3DContent-Type>9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>J <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I believe that the current limit on VMS = LUN size is=20J 1 Terra Byte, Although I'll have to check the&nbsp;EVA docs to see if it = can=20F present a 2TB LUN.&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We =
 have 146GB=20 H disks (and smaller) that we are using in our storage arrays, so a 9GIG = drive=20G should not be a problem.&nbsp; </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>VMS =  was designed=20 6 to use LOTS of disks on a system/cluster.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> H <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You should not have to re-install VMS = just because=20 J you are adding another disk drive.&nbsp; It should just be an additional = disk=20 * drive when you do s SH DEV D.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> C <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Shutdown your system.</FONT></DIV> J <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Install the new drive.&nbsp; (Note SCSI = ID on the=20 drive.)</FONT></DIV>: <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Boot.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>J <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You should now see the new drive.&nbsp; =  > DUAxxx.&nbsp; (Depends on SCSI ID and technology)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Naime</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE=20J style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =, 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">   <DIV>m68k &lt;<A =B href=3D"mailto:m68k@comcast.net">m68k@comcast.net</A>&gt; wrote=20   in message <A=20   = J href=3D"news:8tWcnRO_FZfOgbGiU-KYvg@comcast.com">news:8tWcnRO_FZfOgbGiU-K= Yvg@comcast.com</A>...</DIV>A   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am a newbie to VMS and DEC =  hardware. I am in=20F   the process of converting most of my Linux servers on my&nbsp;home =
 network to=20 H   OpenVMS. Due to some recent donations from a local university, I now =
 have an=20D   Alphaserver 300 and a VAX6000/610 with two disk arrays, 9mm tape =	 drive,=20 E   Infoserver and more! The VAX takes up half my garage and is power = 	 hungry=20 I   beast&nbsp;(even without disk arrays turned on)&nbsp;compared to the=20 J   little&nbsp;Alpha. I want to make the Alpha my http, IMAP, ftp, Telnet = shell=20   access server.</FONT></DIV> 6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>J   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Question: I want to put a larger SCSI =
 hard drive=20 I   in the Alphaserver. Currently it has two 1gig drives. I need at least =  a&nbsp;8=20 I   gig drive. Can I simply add an 8gig drive and then do a fresh OpenVMS =  install,=20 5   or is there a limit to the drive size?</FONT></DIV> 6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>0   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV>D   <DIV>-- <BR>MARVIN JOHNSON</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>  - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C35937.DD628300--    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:48:03 -0700 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer( Message-ID: <3F2C2383.12F42F8A@mist.com>  
 leslie wrote:  > * > My sigmonster thanks you for that entry. > H > Back before the Great Tech Wreck, people asked me why I didn't want toG > work on Windows, and many of them had worked on VMS, so they knew the J > difference between the quality of VMS and the crapware shoveled out from! > One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA.  > H > My usual reply was that my blood pressure would get too high having to* > deal with the crapware 100% of the time. >   5 I think that was the cause of my High blood pressure. : Everything worked well and was easily predictable with VMS programming.  Not so with M$.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:35:36 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer0 Message-ID: <00A23CAD.5A8D1CC8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <20030802154724.3895.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:8 >On 2 Aug 03, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:
 >{...snip...} H >>For a long time (more than 10 years now) I have suspected that M$ doesK >>well out of deliberately making things difficult. This is done by getting 
 >{...snip...} 5 >Microsoft - Making life difficult since Windows 3.1.   E My wife and I purchased a digital camera for my son for his birthday. F I wanted one of the Canon units that burn to a mini CD-R; thus, avoid-D ing the braindamage which emanates from the software sewage lines ofF the Cult of Redmond Abject Programming.  It was not to be.  He got one with a USB interface.   D I borrowed it to take a few pictures of my home Guinness setup for aD web page devoted to my zymological zealotry.  After transferring theB files from the camera (which for some blasted reason requires thatD the PeeCee be booted twice into Weendoze'98 twice before it sees it)A I needed to transfer them to another disk so that Weendoze NT can B see it so I can then transfer them to my Alpha.  My wife showed meB how to copy a group of files.  What a fucking pain in the ass thatB is.  She said you click on one and then use the shift key to clickD on others you want.  OK.  There were 9 files that I wanted.  No mat-C ter how hard I tried, I could only get 6 or 4 files at a time to be B "highlighted".  It had a mind of its own and wanted to decide for B ME which files it would allow me to copy.  Cursed abomination!  NoC way is this Micro$hit intuitive or easy to use.  I dicked about for   about an hour to copy 9 files!     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:38:38 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer0 Message-ID: <00A23CAD.C5EE6E9C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <RsQWa.127255$XV.7207184@twister.austin.rr.com>, LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes: 6 >Doc.Cypher (Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]) wrote: >:  J >: I've been fiddling with installing XP Pro.  The machine was a build to F >: order box, so I have a collection of install disks for things like ! >: a cordless rechargeable mouse.  >:  M >: Now, I must be getting old, because I do remember when computers came with M >: manuals.  Manuals with indices you could find things in.  Nowadays you get O >: a crappy booklet that encourages you to sit at the keyboard and "have a go". M >: All the while there's this little nag box saying register.  Well, I will,  M >: when I've finished getting a good install and a #$%&ing backup I can work   >: from. >:  K >: Honestly, the stack of CDs that came with the system is thicker than the L >: documentation. It sure ain't "intuitive".  VMS on the other hand... I satO >: down, read a few pages of a book, stuck the CD in, and had a working system  . >: in under an hour, and at the first attempt. >:  7 >: Microsoft - Making life difficult since Windows 3.1.  >:  ) >My sigmonster thanks you for that entry.  > G >Back before the Great Tech Wreck, people asked me why I didn't want to F >work on Windows, and many of them had worked on VMS, so they knew theI >difference between the quality of VMS and the crapware shoveled out from   >One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA. > G >My usual reply was that my blood pressure would get too high having to ) >deal with the crapware 100% of the time.   G I find myself reaching for the pint glass and pumping a Guinness or two I or three or... each and everytime I need to deal with a PeeCee.  At least  the cure is enjoyable. :)      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:31:00 -05002 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer/ Message-ID: <viopep9ov7b333@corp.supernews.com>   , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A23CAD.5A8D1CC8@SendSpamHere.ORG...   <SNIP>2 >  My wife showed me how to copy a group of files.% > What a fucking pain in the ass that D > is.  She said you click on one and then use the shift key to clickF > on others you want.  OK.  There were 9 files that I wanted.  No mat-E > ter how hard I tried, I could only get 6 or 4 files at a time to be C > "highlighted".  It had a mind of its own and wanted to decide for D > ME which files it would allow me to copy.  Cursed abomination!  NoE > way is this Micro$hit intuitive or easy to use.  I dicked about for   > about an hour to copy 9 files! >  > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >   L Not that I'm supporting Windoze over VMS; far from it - but a "more" correctI usage to select files using the mouse when browsing folders using an ICON I view is to hold the CONTROL key while CLICKING on the files to select, or I use CONTROL-A to select ALL. BE CAREFUL not to DARE MOVE one of the icons I you are clicking on; Windoze will interpret that to mean that you wish to D make a COPY of all the selected files and do so, putting them in theI directory that you are selecting files in. It will do this as soon as you J let go of the mouse button where you have clicked on the most recent file. What a mess!  J You can also use a LIST or DETAIL view, click on the first item to select,H use the arrows, scroll bar, etc. to scroll down, press the SHIFT key andH click on the LAST file you want to select. This will select the first toI last, inclusive. SHIFT-Click does not work "obviously" or "easily" in the  other views, as you have seen.   Stuart Johnson@ // "curator" of the Johnson Home for wayward "classic" computers   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:35:25 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer2 Message-ID: <CYGcncusd4hm6bGiU-KYgg@metrocast.net>  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A23CAD.5A8D1CC8@SendSpamHere.ORG...   ...      My wife showed me D > how to copy a group of files.  What a fucking pain in the ass thatD > is.  She said you click on one and then use the shift key to click > on others you want.   I That would be your first problem:  learning from someone who doesn't know K what they're talking about.  You use the Alt key to add individual files to H your selection list, not the shift key (which is used to add *all* filesJ between the one you first selected and the one you click on with the shift key depressed).   1   OK.  There were 9 files that I wanted.  No mat- E > ter how hard I tried, I could only get 6 or 4 files at a time to be C > "highlighted".  It had a mind of its own and wanted to decide for + > ME which files it would allow me to copy.   F No, it just did what you told it to do.  You didn't know what you were( doing - that's hardly Microsoft's fault.  G Adding files to a selection list one at a time is trivially easy:  just H click on each addition with the Alt key depressed.  Selecting a group ofK adjacent files is also trivially easy:  just click on the first, then click L on the last with the shift key depressed.  Selecting a group and then addingK more non-adjacent files can be done either by adding the later files one by K one with the Alt key or by adding additional groups by using the Alt key to J add the first file in the group and then depressing both the shift and AltK keys when clicking on the last file in the group (which last starts getting D a bit more into arcana, but given the one-at-a-time Alt option as an$ alternative is hardly unacceptable).  J To aid in group-style selection, you can list files in the folder not justH alphabetically by name but by extension (i.e., group by extension) or byL modification date (just click on the heading you want to order the list by).I IIRC early versions of Windows would let you prune the list by a wildcard H specification in the screen header (using * and ? wildcards in the usualF manner - but only within the current folder, not for the entire path):C while that's apparently no longer supported in Explorer, it remains B supported in the 'Find' function, which generates the same kind ofJ Explorer-type window - and while again you can't use wildcards in interiorF elements in the path, you can use them to prune the list in the target@ directory (or directories), can include multiple explicit targetB directories, and can expand the search to include sub-trees of the
 target(s).     Cursed abomination!  No 1 > way is this Micro$hit intuitive or easy to use.   J Are you seriously suggesting that typing individual Copy commands (becauseD the files you want don't happen to have an exclusive common wildcardL representation) is as easy as point-and-clicking one at a time, let alone byL groups?  Or that learning to select from viewable lists, as described above,L is more obscure than learning DCL?  I rather doubt that the vast majority ofF the world would agree - because if they did, they'd all be using Linux already (without its GUIs).      I dicked about for  > about an hour to copy 9 files!  I If so, it would have taken you far less time to learn what you were doing G than it did to struggle on without having done so.  There are plenty of K *legitimate* reasons to despise Microsoft software:  it can't hold a candle L to VMS in implementation quality, and much of its design may be questionableL as well, but its GUI is reasonably well-thought-out (thanks in large part toA Xerox and Apple, but that doesn't detract from the final result).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:46:57 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> 4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer( Message-ID: <3F2C93C1.3060305@rdrop.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  / > <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message  , > news:00A23CAD.5A8D1CC8@SendSpamHere.ORG... > B >> My wife showed me how to copy a group of files.  What a fuckingC >> pain in the ass that is.  She said you click on one and then use - >> the shift key to click on others you want.  > F > That would be your first problem:  learning from someone who doesn't> > know what they're talking about.  You use the Alt key to addF > individual files to your selection list, not the shift key (which isD > used to add *all* files between the one you first selected and the1 > one you click on with the shift key depressed).   G Irony of the same class as a spelling flame having words spelled wrong.   C CTRL-click lets you select multiple icons one at a time. ALT-click  & performs no sort of multi-select task.  G If you have multiple columns of files, SHIFT-click will get every file  G from (icon1.row, icon1.col) to (icon2.row, icon2,col), just like you'd  @ held the button down and dragged a box out to cover those icons.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:14:58 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer2 Message-ID: <FcWdnZeM0-79B7GiXTWJiQ@metrocast.net>  2 "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message" news:3F2C93C1.3060305@rdrop.com... > Bill Todd wrote: > 0 > > <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message. > > news:00A23CAD.5A8D1CC8@SendSpamHere.ORG... > > D > >> My wife showed me how to copy a group of files.  What a fuckingE > >> pain in the ass that is.  She said you click on one and then use / > >> the shift key to click on others you want.  > > H > > That would be your first problem:  learning from someone who doesn't@ > > know what they're talking about.  You use the Alt key to addH > > individual files to your selection list, not the shift key (which isF > > used to add *all* files between the one you first selected and the3 > > one you click on with the shift key depressed).  > I > Irony of the same class as a spelling flame having words spelled wrong.   F Almost - save that my response was not a flame, it was a response to a flame.   > D > CTRL-click lets you select multiple icons one at a time. ALT-click( > performs no sort of multi-select task.  I Yup - my fingers know what key it is but I had to look at the keyboard to K check, and then proceeded to switch the two keys when I wrote the response.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:31:29 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> Y Subject: Re: MS Line Break Dictates (was Re: And the cherry petal falls into the  saki gl ; Message-ID: <lkUWa.2288$jg.1374475@news1.news.adelphia.net>    David J. Dachtera wrote: > Richard Maher wrote:  J > AFAICT, LookOut!-XP has a known "feature" in that it arbitrarily removesF > what it considers "extra line breaks", then offers you the option toI > restore them on an incoming message (hold over from previous versions). H > The "new" "feature" is that this also works when PASTE-ing text into aE > message, there is no known way to turn it off, AFAIK, and the KB is  > devoid of anything helpful.   I Search a bit, there is an option somewhere to turn it off.  I did that a  G few months ago when the corporate provided box was replaced with an XP  H one.  I do not remember what tab it was under, but it is a good idea to F look at all the settings to see what the various entities involved in 7 loading up the system thought were reasonable defaults.   H > 'Tis possible LookOut! Express(Train coming through) suffers a similar > "feature".  2 I have do not have any reason to use that product.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 12:53:15 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: MS Line Break Dictates (was Re: And the cherry petal falls into the saki gla ' Message-ID: <3F2BFA8B.6BF11542@fsi.net>    Richard Maher wrote: > [snip]M > PPS. Why does the code look formated via Google but all over the place with 	 > Office?   H AFAICT, LookOut!-XP has a known "feature" in that it arbitrarily removesD what it considers "extra line breaks", then offers you the option toG restore them on an incoming message (hold over from previous versions).mF The "new" "feature" is that this also works when PASTE-ing text into aC message, there is no known way to turn it off, AFAIK, and the KB isk devoid of anything helpful.   F 'Tis possible LookOut! Express(Train coming through) suffers a similar
 "feature".   --   David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 12:45:50 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>eK Subject: Re: PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processora' Message-ID: <3F2BF8CE.70BCC48A@fsi.net>e   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3F2B1F67.C32EDC2F@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e > > Ken Farmer wrote:  > >>O > >> PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processor Systems Now-
 > >> Shipping-> > >> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/08/01/5909099 > >dK > > I'm looking forward to our GS1280s being upped from 12 to 16 CPUs, thengK > > to 32 at some later time. These things are REALLY quick as is - oughttap8 > > really be something in the newer configurations, eh? > E > Of course that depends on whether CPU is your issue.  If disk speedaD > is your gating factor other things might need to be adjusted, such > as the source code :-)  C It's all Oracle, really. We're doing fine I/O-wise, else my partneriH would be complaining - he's rather a stickler about throughput. We don't1 really see slowdowns except under two conditions:n   o All 12 CPUs are maxed F o Tons of shadow copies (that were merges until we converted them) dueH to a node crash (they've settled down rather nicely now - just chasing aH few annoying nits at this point, Multinet kernel SMP issues being one ofE them). We like to get these cleared sooner than possible; so, we takem the performance hit "briefly".   -- t David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2003 17:04:06 -0700o( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)K Subject: Re: PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processord= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0308021604.11b5ae2c@posting.google.com>C  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3F2BF8CE.70BCC48A@fsi.net>... > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > _ > > In article <3F2B1F67.C32EDC2F@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:a > > > Ken Farmer wrote:f > > >>Q > > >> PR: HP Delivers Next Step on AlphaServer Roadmap: 32-processor Systems Nowe > > >> Shippingo@ > > >> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/08/01/5909099 > > >tM > > > I'm looking forward to our GS1280s being upped from 12 to 16 CPUs, theneM > > > to 32 at some later time. These things are REALLY quick as is - oughttat: > > > really be something in the newer configurations, eh? > > G > > Of course that depends on whether CPU is your issue.  If disk speed F > > is your gating factor other things might need to be adjusted, such > > as the source code :-) > E > It's all Oracle, really. We're doing fine I/O-wise, else my partnersJ > would be complaining - he's rather a stickler about throughput. We don't3 > really see slowdowns except under two conditions:  >  > o All 12 CPUs are maxedaH > o Tons of shadow copies (that were merges until we converted them) dueJ > to a node crash (they've settled down rather nicely now - just chasing aJ > few annoying nits at this point, Multinet kernel SMP issues being one ofG > them). We like to get these cleared sooner than possible; so, we takeh  > the performance hit "briefly".  A you will clear them when you switch to TCPware ... it is based on ? the vms kernel and performs much better than either multinet or: ucx ...w   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:34:17 +0200% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>i# Subject: Re: TCP/IP feature request:, Message-ID: <3f2c20da$1@news.swissonline.ch>  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message1 news:wKhWa.111$Ji1.44454@news20.bellglobal.com... L > At a recent OpenVMS symposium in Ottawa, I approached Gaitan D'Antoni with atI > suggestion to add an "FTP API" and a "Telnet API" into "TCP/IP Servicesi forhJ > OpenVMS". After all, every major OS (including Windows) provides this so whyMI > not OpenVMS? (BTW, these modules have been available forever in Processl' > Software Corps "TCPware for OpenVMS")y >n >    I Neil,g  H I just would like to tell you, that we would also be very glad, if there9 would be finally a FTP API provided for HP TCPIP for VMS.s   best regards   JakobH   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 00:19:37 GMTTI From: "bgInc. - You'll go where we want you to go" <ereiamjh@pacbell.net> O Subject: Re: VAX support (was: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some))t* Message-ID: <3F2C54F6.2060903@pacbell.net>   Paddy O'Brien wrote: > from VMS mK > (Micro$hit authentication).  I have to access the world via Outhouse via eG      ^^^^^^^^                                                  ^^^^^^^^c  I > Mozilla which I find poor and hard to use compared to my VMS mail.  No oK > offense to the Mozilla developers, they are undoubtedly doing a good job t8 > when you consider they are accessing a BG application.,                                           ^^  9 Wow, things haven't changed much in my absence... Heehee!e   > Regards, Paddy   -Tom O'Toole   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.425 ************************