1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 06 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 431       Contents:& Advance server, alerter messages, 7.3a) Re: Computer Systems & Automation Manager G Re: Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70?  (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates) A Re: Ease of use (was: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer A Re: Ease of use (was: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer  Re: error count on volumes& Gaining control of build dependency...* RE: Gaining control of build dependency...* Re: Gaining control of build dependency...- Re: Help adding a larger drive to Alphaserver + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer + Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer  Re: mail installation files  Re: NTP problem E OpenVMS Pearl - OK for external distribution - Data Wizard on OpenVMS  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates 3 Re: pls help: install OS on DS10L without console ? 3 Re: pls help: install OS on DS10L without console ?  Re: Problems with NFS  Re: VMS License audits Re: VMS License audits Re: Web Apps for VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2003 11:52:28 -0700 ) From: brian@wadsworth.org (Brian Cuttler) / Subject: Advance server, alerter messages, 7.3a = Message-ID: <e6215e11.0308051052.2349802a@posting.google.com>   * Running VMS 7.3-1 and Advance Server 7.3A.  6 Prior versions allowed us to disable messages from the6 "alerter service" to avoid things like "login failure"% messages showing up on user desktops.   5 The current version must have an additional switch or 9 something as disabling the alerter service and restarting 8 the server isn't preventing the messages from being sent to the desktop.   
 						thanks,    						Brian    --- >    Brian R Cuttler                 brian.cuttler@wadsworth.org3    Computer Systems Support        (v) 518 486-1697 3    Wadsworth Center                (f) 518 473-6384 9    NYS Department of Health        Help Desk 518 473-0773     $ Our old procedure, per Antony Wardle   try  @sys$update:pwrk$config  ) Eventally you will find a line that says: *   3.  Enable Alerter service:          YES4   3a. Alert user names:                administrator  9 Just modify that to a name that would like those messages / (I don't think it even has to be a real person)   or turn off the alerter service.  / This command procedure will shutdown pathworks.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2003 17:36:59 -0700 # From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) 2 Subject: Re: Computer Systems & Automation Manager= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0308051636.60d1a392@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<xFRoTBbO5LJE@eisner.encompasserve.org>...e > In article <1ca82fc6.0308050008.292ed469@posting.google.com>, dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) writes:  > > PhilE > > http://jobs.careerone.com.au/search/dsp_show_job.cfm?AD_ID=229537  >  > ( >   So how is Port Kembla in the spring? well since you ask...    7 Day Forecast  F                        Wed     Thu    Fri    Sat    Sun     Mon   Tue H           Weather Type Cloudy/ Sunny  Mostly Mostly Cloudy/ Rain  Rain  <                        shower         sunny  sunny  shower    G  Maximum Temperature   20     19    19    18    16     17   13   G  Minimum Temperature    7      5     5     5     7      7   10   G  Rainfall Probability  20 %     0 %    0 %    0 %   20 %    80 %  80 %  G  Sunrise              6:45am 6:44am 6:43am 6:42am 6:41am 6:40am 6:39am  G  Sunset               5:20pm 5:20pm 5:21pm 5:22pm 5:23pm 5:23pm 5:24pm  $ Closest Weather Station : Wollongong   Climate Averages by Season  :   Max. Temp. Min. Temp. Average Rainfall Average Humidity   Summer 24  18  364 mm 74 %   Winter 17  10  290 mm 57 %      Climate Averages by Month   ?                  Max.   Min. Average Rainfall Average Humidity  )  January           24  18  116 mm 75 %  )  February          24  18  157 mm 76 %  )  March             24  17  183 mm 74 %  )  April             22  15   92 mm 67 %  )  May               19  12   89 mm 62 %  )  June              17  10  140 mm 60 %  )  July              16   9   62 mm 56 %  )  August            17  10   87 mm 56 %  )  September         19  11   55 mm 60 %  )  October           20  13  108 mm 65 %  )  November          22  15   94 mm 66 %  (  December          23  17   90 mm 71 %   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:38:07 -0700 - From: dundas@caltech.edu (John A. Dundas III) P Subject: Re: Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70?  (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates)< Message-ID: <dundas-0508031238070001@dundas-mac.caltech.edu>  C In article <S0zXa.1445$jq.249@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>, Kevin Handy  <kth@srv.net> wrote:   > John A. Dundas III wrote: 
 > > Thord, > > H > > Thanks VERY MUCH for posting this code fragment.  Quite interesting. > > + > > Let me see if I understand correctly...  > >  > > In articleJ > > <Pine.GSO.4.50.0308032252210.24383-100000@gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se>,/ > > Thord Nilson <thordn@stacken.kth.se> wrote:  > >  > > ( > >>When running sysgen, to the question* > >>"Generate monitor ?              #Y #" > >>answer: Y/L  > >  > > N > > I'll have to run SYSGEN again to make sure.  Are you saying, answer "L" toM > > the question rather than "Y", or does Y automatically bring in this code?  > > C > I think he means typing the three characters 'Y/L' at the prompt. > > Several places allow a switch to the value to enable/disable > "secret" options.   B Indeed that is what he meant.  [I had a difficult time parsing theB original on my display.]  I tried it and sure enough it pulls in a; different light module.  So here are my followup questions:   I * I imagine the display address selector switch is then set to Super D in 5 order to view the rest of the pattern?  If not, what?   A * I haven't tried but does this same answer work up through V9.1?   G It's quite intesting.  I now see supervisor mode being used extensively G where it wasn't before.  This is a good sign.  However this has exposed F some bugs in my display panel emulation.  That's good as it gives me a chance to fix them.    Thanks much,   John   --   John A. Dundas III2 Director, Information Technology Services, Caltech+ Mail Code: 014-81, Pasadena, CA  91125-8100 A Phone: 626.395.3392 FAX: 626.449.6973 <mailto:dundas@caltech.edu>    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2003 16:03:17 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) J Subject: Re: Ease of use (was: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer3 Message-ID: <F43EO94ZL14m@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <b096a4ee.0308050733.53bf2840@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > B > On my W2K box you can find it with Start, Programs, Accessories,& > Command Prompt. It's not *that* bad.  F    On my Windows boxes it's on the toolbar.  After I find it, that is.E    But running "c:\WINNT\system32\CMD.EXE" is not intuitive no matter     how you get to it.  > E > On the general question in this thread: I think that PCs/Macs would ) > not have gotten so popular without GUI.   E    We had folks pushing PC's before MS shipped windows.  Even if just C    to run PC-WRITE on.  At least PC-WRITE didn't have its own ideas 9    about when and how to reformat text you didn't change.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2003 19:45:20 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)J Subject: Re: Ease of use (was: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0308051845.54629c99@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<F43EO94ZL14m@eisner.encompasserve.org>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0308050733.53bf2840@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > > D > > On my W2K box you can find it with Start, Programs, Accessories,( > > Command Prompt. It's not *that* bad. > H >    On my Windows boxes it's on the toolbar.  After I find it, that is.G >    But running "c:\WINNT\system32\CMD.EXE" is not intuitive no matter  >    how you get to it.     C I agree, as I said in my first post in this thread. I don't see how ? this could be learned except by seeing someone else do it or by C someone else telling you. And, BTW, you don't have to type all that A in: just Start/Programs and type cmd and Enter, and you're in! My B point was only that there is an easy way to find MS-DOS on Windows* systems -- not that that was the easy way.    G > > On the general question in this thread: I think that PCs/Macs would + > > not have gotten so popular without GUI.  > G >    We had folks pushing PC's before MS shipped windows.  Even if just E >    to run PC-WRITE on.  At least PC-WRITE didn't have its own ideas ; >    about when and how to reformat text you didn't change.   F I agree that Windows sucks in many ways. I, too, hate when any programF tries to be too smart about things. Sometimes it's okay if it brings aA useful feature to your attention AND if it is easy to undo if not F wanted and easy to turn off if not wanted ever again, like "correct asE you go" in MS-WORD which I loathe. I'm writing! Leave me alone. We'll F correct it later, thank you. I believe it is good writing practice not to correct as you go.   D But it's those who thrived on programs like WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS,D XtreeGold, and such, for which GUI wouldn't matter. As an example, IE have relatives who are in their 70's, always want to point and click, D can barely type, and when I try to show them cool keyboard shortcutsB for certain things, they resist or forget. People like these wouldC never use a CLI. I cannot imagine the masses using a CLI to do what  they do now with GUIs.  B There's a lot I don't like about GUI's (well, at least the WindowsC GUI), but there are many people who wouldn't buy computers that had 2 only a CLI. Each system (CLI, GUI) has advantages.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:49:53 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) # Subject: Re: error count on volumes 1 Message-ID: <l%SXa.1479$u03.497@news.cpqcorp.net>    In article <20030805124823.56980.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?amit=20sawhney?= <thick_guy_9@yahoo.com> writes:  ' :sh device <ABCD> gave the foll output: 2 :Device                  Device           Error    :Volume         Free  Trans Mnt 3 : Name                   Status           Count      :Label        Blocks Count Cnt7 :DSA11:                  Mounted              0  SKE2    :        2023287   652   20 :$1$DGA402:     (APPLE)  ShadowSetMember      9  :(member of DSA11:) 0 :$1$DGA1402:    (APPLE)  ShadowSetMember      6  :(member of DSA11:)  : * :Question: What does the error count mean?  F   It means that something in the I/O stack was "unhappy" up to fifteenE   times since the system was bootstrapped, and possibly more if other E   hosts are sharing these disk devices.  The particular determination E   of the "unhappiness" can range from an entirely inconsequential due D   to a transient network or controller glitch up to an impending andC   potentially catastrophic hardware failure.  (Though note that Mr. B   Murphy's preference for catastrophic hardware failures generally3   involves providing minimal warnings, at most. :-)   H   For information on resetting the counters, please see the OpenVMS FAQ.F   (Or, soon, upgrade to V7.3-2, as that release contains a DCL command,   that can reset the device error counters.)  % :WHat do I need to do to resolve it?    E   That depends.  Given your phrasing and given my possibly erroneous  D   inference on your expertise with reading the error logs, I'd startD   with a call to your hardware service organization.  This situationF   might well be a transient error, or it might indicate a problem with+   the I/O or system hardware configuration.    	--   F   And without intending you read into this following statement and as G   is usually only considered in these cases and/or when files are lost, F   you will also want to consider the appropriateness of your archival I   strategy and your ability to recover data from your archives -- you may I   not need your archives here, but most folks inevitably eventually need  F   to recover at least some data -- whether the loss is due to operator-   error, malicious action, or hardware error.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2003 17:40:08 -0700 1 From: brendan@scanoptics.com.au (Brendan Tregear) / Subject: Gaining control of build dependency... = Message-ID: <4ea25e04.0308051640.153088e4@posting.google.com>    Hi all..  D I've struck a real difficult problem with MMS. We're building a veryF large enterprise system. A large number of source files require accessB to a set of global include files. For various reasons, which would@ take too long to go into, I've developed a system such that eachB source file that needs to use these global files, includes a localF include file instead of the global include file. I have then written aE small utility that only updates this local include file if the source C file references new constants that don't exist in the local include < file. In other words I've tried to take control of the build@ dependency further than just 'is file A newer than file B'. This diagram may help:      GLOBAL INCLUDE FILE 
      ======== 
      |      | 
      |      | 
      |      | 
      ======== 
          |          | <built from> 
          |          \/      LOCAL INCLUDE FILE
      ========       |       |   <creates>  -      |       | <------------ UTILITY COM FILE       |       |      =========
          ^          | <includes> 
          |      =========      |       |      |       |      |       |      =========      SOURCE FILE  E This means I don't have to rebuild every target executable every time D something changes in the global include file, since the utility willE only update the local include file if the source file needs access to  new constants.  D The problem is this: I need a way to implement in MMS something suchA that my utility com file is run each time BEFORE the source files A dependency to the local include file is determined EVERY time the , system is built. I have tried the following:  , my_source_file DEPENDS_ON local_include_file  1 local_include_file DEPENDS_ON global_include_file      RUN UTILITY COM FILE  B Now, every time the global include file is updated, my utility comF file will run. This works fine, except there is now a build dependency6 that means the source file gets rebuilt every time theF global_include_file changes, which is what i don't want! What I really
 want is this:   < IF global_include_file is newer than local_include_file THEN    RUN UTILITY COM FILE  ENDIF   F to run before the dependency between the target and source is checked.A (Note, I can't use .FIRST because this only works when the target  needs updating...).   % Sorry for the long post... Any ideas?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:09:04 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 3 Subject: RE: Gaining control of build dependency... 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEKGHLAA.tom@kednos.com>   = Suppose you have two source files, A and B which both require F an include,  L1 which derived from G.  Then you modify B such that youG need new constants.  Are you now going to create a new local L2 derived F from what?  And if B only needs these new constants then why put it inD the include file, why not in B?  If other source files require theseB new constants but some don't then they should be in a new separate
 include file.   J Can't you use nested includes with appropriate dependency rules maybe with/ conditional compilation using the preprocessor.    I It sounds like you really need to segregate better what is local and what 	 is global      >-----Original Message----- 9 >From: Brendan Tregear [mailto:brendan@scanoptics.com.au] ' >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 5:40 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >Subject: Gaining control of build dependency... >  > 	 >Hi all..  > E >I've struck a real difficult problem with MMS. We're building a very G >large enterprise system. A large number of source files require access C >to a set of global include files. For various reasons, which would A >take too long to go into, I've developed a system such that each C >source file that needs to use these global files, includes a local G >include file instead of the global include file. I have then written a F >small utility that only updates this local include file if the sourceD >file references new constants that don't exist in the local include= >file. In other words I've tried to take control of the build A >dependency further than just 'is file A newer than file B'. This  >diagram may help: >  >  GLOBAL INCLUDE FILE >     ======== >     |      | >     |      | >     |      | >     ======== >         |  >         | <built from> >         |  >         \/ >    LOCAL INCLUDE FILE  >     ======== >     |       |   <creates> . >     |       | <------------ UTILITY COM FILE >     |       |  >     =========  >         ^  >         | <includes> >         |  >     =========  >     |       |  >     |       |  >     |       |  >     =========  >     SOURCE FILE  > F >This means I don't have to rebuild every target executable every timeE >something changes in the global include file, since the utility will F >only update the local include file if the source file needs access to >new constants.  > E >The problem is this: I need a way to implement in MMS something such B >that my utility com file is run each time BEFORE the source filesB >dependency to the local include file is determined EVERY time the- >system is built. I have tried the following:  > - >my_source_file DEPENDS_ON local_include_file  > 2 >local_include_file DEPENDS_ON global_include_file >    RUN UTILITY COM FILE  > C >Now, every time the global include file is updated, my utility com G >file will run. This works fine, except there is now a build dependency 7 >that means the source file gets rebuilt every time the G >global_include_file changes, which is what i don't want! What I really  >want is this: > = >IF global_include_file is newer than local_include_file THEN  >   RUN UTILITY COM FILE >ENDIF > G >to run before the dependency between the target and source is checked. B >(Note, I can't use .FIRST because this only works when the target >needs updating...). > & >Sorry for the long post... Any ideas? >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). @ >Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release Date: 8/1/2003 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release Date: 8/1/2003    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:59:16 +09303 From: "Brendan Tregear" <brendan@scanoptics.com.au> 3 Subject: Re: Gaining control of build dependency... ' Message-ID: <3f307651.0@proxy.dvgd.mps>    Hi Tom,   / Thanks for your reply. To answer your question:   ! > Then you modify B such that you I > need new constants.  Are you now going to create a new local L2 derived  > from what?  ' I would create a new L2 derived from G.   < > And if B only needs these new constants then why put it in! > the include file, why not in B?   H  Yes, I agree with you. The problem is this is a defence system that hasL been running for 15 years. It is out of the scope of my project to be movingD constants around to different include files. I have been tasked withL modifying the build process. So I am stuck with all these constants residing in one include file.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2003 16:29 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 6 Subject: Re: Help adding a larger drive to Alphaserver, Message-ID: <5AUG200316292993@gerg.tamu.edu>  c In article <iaT$fAVgJuL6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org writes... \ }In article <3F2F1360.ECE1A9BA@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: }>  F }> ...but the implementation is a bit different. The VMS equivalent ofI }> stderr cannot be redirected by 2>..., input cannot be redirected using I }> "<", and ">>" cannot be used to append to an existing file (at, least, J }> it doesn't work for me on V7.3-1). The following sequence would emulate# }> some of those features, however:  } H }   Just like moving between eunichs shells.  Ever try 2> in csh?  To myF }   knowledge you can redirect 1 in csh, and you can add 2 to the pathE }   chosen for 1, but you can't separately redirect 2.  So I use ksh.  } C }   As for < and >>, I'm quite sure I've used them in DCL, but I'll C }   have to run off and see if I can come up with working examples. D }   I've often had trouble with commands in any shell that wouldn't . }   work with < the way I thought they should. }  }> $ PIPE - ( }> 	(DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT LOGIN.COM ; - }> 	TYPE SYS$INPUT) | - 0 }> 	(DEFINE/USER SYS$ERRROR SEARCH_ERROR.LIS ; - }> 	SEARCH SYS$PIPE "SET DEF") }  } A }   The following has the same result on my 7.2-1 system, I tried C }   it with search strings that were and were not in login.com, and 7 }   when seach_error.lis did and did not already exist:  }  }   $pipe - , }      	(DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT LOGIN.COM ; - } 	TYPE SYS$INPUT) | -5 }      	SEARCH SYS$PIPE "SET DEF" 2> SEARCH_ERROR.LIS  }   C AS has been pointed out, this is covered in the help. From the help 
 on V7.2-1:  "        o  Input/output redirection  D           A command sequence can redirect its SYS$INPUT, SYS$OUTPUT,C           or SYS$ERROR to a file during execution of the command as            follows.              To redirect SYS$INPUT:  =              PIPE    command-sequence < redirected-input-file   !           To redirect SYS$OUTPUT:   >              PIPE    command-sequence > redirected-output-file              To redirect SYS$ERROR:  >              PIPE    command-sequence 2> redirected-error-file  E           A pipeline-segment command can also redirect its SYS$INPUT, C           SYS$OUTPUT, or SYS$ERROR. However, SYS$OUTPUT redirection D           is allowed only for the last pipeline-segment command, andG           SYS$INPUT redirection is allowed only for the first pipeline-            segment command.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:13:59 +0100 + From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> 4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer8 Message-ID: <6hsviv4n7d38isf0ddkeuvhgnq4il3e9pe@4ax.com>  L On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:47:05 +0100, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> wrote:  H >Even if it has been renamed, you _must_ somethere on your screen have a >(cringe) 'My Computer' icon. L >Find it, then (assuming you are not using a left hand mouse) RIGHT click on
 >the icon.  H Even easier is to hold down the "Windows" key and press E (for Explore).J Saves a lot of time.  Windows+D is another very useful shortcut (minimises< all open windows to show the desktop, hit again to reverse).  H It seems MS work on the principle that the more useful a feature is, the) more obscurely they should document it...    --   John   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2003 16:22 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer, Message-ID: <5AUG200316220593@gerg.tamu.edu>  $ VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes...W }In article <4AUG200319450253@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes: & }>VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes...K }>}How do you configure that?  I run IE and enter: file://C: and all I ever K }>}get is icons.  The "preferrences" in the _F_ile menu is always gray (I'm D }>}told this means if cannot be selected and, of course, I cannot).  }>}-- R }>}VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM }>+ }>Why, exactly, would you use IE for this?   }>H }>Use "E" (so to speak), just plain "Explorer", not "IE". Two completelyP }>different programs. As in "double-click on My Computer not Internet Explorer". } P }OK.  And just how does "My Computer" now become "Explorer" sans the "Internet"? } N }When one looks at the screen there is a PeeCee icon which says "My Computer",N }not "Explorer".  If everybody is going to call everything "Explorer", how the> }hell do you ever figure out how to navigate this nightmare?   }-- P }VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  I Well, first you should know that the way to navigate on your PC is to use H the "My Computer" icon, no matter what it is called or runs, and not IE.G You can use IE, but you shouldn't as it is not real good for this. That  would have been the first clue.   < You can set the names of the icons to whatever you want. TheB program that it runs is EXPLORER.EXE. "My Computer" isn't the nameC of the program, it's the location you see when you run the program. A The "Network Neighborhood" icon runs pretty much the same thing - ? it just shows you a different place when you start it. For that H matter, so does the "Recycle Bin" and "My Briefcase" (if you have that).; They all are just Explorer showing you different locations.   E It is also called "Explorer" in various bits of documentation and the E various help sources (i.e. (also not IE) the help on the computer and  the MS web site).   = When you use a command in DCL what is the name of the program D that is run? Yes, we both know this is a trick question. In general,D most people neither know or care. With Explorer it is similar exceptC that the name crops up in various places - in addition to the help, A in versions of Windows with the task manager the executable names @ are shown on the "Processes" display and the one that this is isB EXPLORER.EXE, although determining this is not so easy since thereC is always an EXPLORER.EXE running. Why? Because this program is the C program that displays the icons and menubar on your desktop and the G window that pops up when you double click "My Computer" (or right click G and pick "Explore" off the menu) is just an interface that is connected C with that process that is always running. When you do that it looks G like a new program is running, which is normally done in a new process, G but there is no additional process added to the list of processes shown H by the task manager. So it seems that what you have done when activatingG the icon is actually just signalled the already running process to open E that window. Note: I assume this is similar to how it works on W98, I E don't have one to check. This is how it works on NT - or at least how F it appears to work: each such window that is open increases the threadE count of the EXPLORER.EXE process by one. I have no idea how W98 does D what looks like the same thing - does it even do threaded processes? I don't remember.   G There is, of course, the question of why you are still on Windows 98 -  I NT V4 was better, 2000 was even better than that, and in many respects XP K is even better that that. The two main (sensible) reasons for not upgrading F (and it really is an upgrade) are the cost and having hardware that isJ insufficient to run the newer versions. If the person having problems withG the digital camera were using 2000 or XP this whole topic wouldn't have I come up since he could have just pluged it in an and it would work (well, C installing the camera specific driver and rebooting might have been J necessary). USB support in W98 is not incredibly good (actually, I thoughtG you needed Windows 98SE to get even that level of usefulness), which is F probably part of the problem. NT doesn't support USB at all, which wasL definatately part of the problem (and apparently the whole reason for havingE to do the whole fiasco - wasn't the desired ultimate destination a PC E running NT?). W2000 does support USB, as does XP. I run W2000 at home G and it communicates with my digital camera via USB just fine - plug the J cable into the camera and PC, switch the camera to USB communication mode,H transfer the data from the new drive that appeared on the PC to the hardH drive, click the "removeable device" icon and shut down the device, turnF off camera, unplug camera, go take more pictures or whatever. It mightG be even easier on XP - they may have removed the manual device shutdown E step (supposedly needed on W2000 to insure your data integrity and/or D system stability, although my camera has timed out after a period ofF non-use of the connection and closed the connection a few times and it" has never actually hurt anything).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:45:02 -0700 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer' Message-ID: <3f2fed1e$1@cpns1.saic.com>    Bradford J. Hamilton wrote: k > In article <RsQWa.127255$XV.7207184@twister.austin.rr.com>, LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes:  > !snip!I > !Back before the Great Tech Wreck, people asked me why I didn't want to H > !work on Windows, and many of them had worked on VMS, so they knew theK > !difference between the quality of VMS and the crapware shoveled out from " > !One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA. > ! I > !My usual reply was that my blood pressure would get too high having to + > !deal with the crapware 100% of the time.  > ! H > !It's amazing that the MGMs/PHBs will tolerate anything and everythingK > !from Microsoft. That situation will NOT change until there is a calamity M > !with a large loss of life and property directly attributable to Microsoft.  > !  > K > The biggest reason that they tolerate it, is because *they* don't have to O > fix the problems that crap foists on "us" (the folks who have to support it).  > Truly "plug 'n' play"	:-). > Q > (Of course, not every MGM/PHB *really* feels this way - I know of an owner of a N > small business who thinks that Word is a POS, and laments the loss of WP for > VMS.)	:-)   I Beg pardon?  Why would he lament a loss that doesn't exist?  WP is still  G available for VMS with both character-cell and X-Window support.  I've  : got a recently purchased copy running my system right now.  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:03:42 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")4 Subject: Re: Idiot (I know that's redundant) spammer6 Message-ID: <00A23EEB.393E5ADE@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  d In article <bgogmh$qkqec$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes: > - ><VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message + >news:00A23EAA.BA2EA5A7@SendSpamHere.ORG... H >> In article <4AUG200319450253@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl >Perkins) writes: ( >> >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes...K >> >}In article <+hcIxEp8ceeq@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul  >Sture) writes:  >> >}  >>F >> OK.  And just how does "My Computer" now become "Explorer" sans the >"Internet"? >>E >> When one looks at the screen there is a PeeCee icon which says "My  >Computer", L >> not "Explorer".  If everybody is going to call everything "Explorer", how >the> >> hell do you ever figure out how to navigate this nightmare? >> --  > A >In the beginning (of windoze!) there was the 'Windows Explorer'.   J Nope.  In the beginning of Windoze (that is, Windows with a version numberG rather than a year name) was the File Manager.  Windows Explorer wasn't L prominent in whatever early version was on the VAXmate - I had one but can't" remember - or in Windows 3 - 3.11.  * Explorer is a relatively late development.   -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2003 16:10:50 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: mail installation files3 Message-ID: <0DAjgfAUqRzY@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  s In article <newscache$38j5jh$l08$1@news.emea.compuware.com>, "Axel Haringa" <axel.haringa@nl.compuware.com> writes:o  . > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image MAIL > ' > -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not foundn/ > BEAST$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]MAIL.EXE;.  E    OK, double check on whether MAIL can be removed via the TAILOR OFFdE    facility.  If so, it can probably be tailored on (and my remembery     is faulty).  E    Otherwise you can extract MAIL.EXE from the installation kit usingeD    backup/select (use backup/list to find out which save set, one ofB    the .B, .C, .D, ..., files).  Then you may find when you run itC    that MAILSHR is also missing, keep up trying and restoring until     you get all the files.   ?    Finally, MAILSHR and some of the other images may need to bee?    installed with privileges.  This is typically controlled viaiD    VMS_IMAGES.DAT and if you tell us what version of VMS we can tell<    you what that should be, but you should let AUTOGEN build    VMS_IMAGES.DAT.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:41:31 GMT36 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: NTP problem? Message-ID: <%DUXa.423$9U3.34474101@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>s  J Do you have a TCPIP$NTP user?  tcpip$config.com will create this user when+ you enable the service if it doesn't exist.h   -- Andy Bustamanteh remove the ASCII 95s to replyo    8 "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> wrote in message2 news:5fKXa.4905$HC4.414@reader1.news.jippii.net...C > I've been using NTP quite a long time as a time source on our VMSn	 machines, E > but now when I try to start NTP on our new DS10 it won't start. The  command)J > that is not working inside the tcpip$ntp_startup is tcpip enable serviceI > ntp. Tcpip$ntp.conf is similar that is  working in other VMS boxes. VMS,K > 7.3-1 with patches (nearly all, some latest missing) and tcpip 5.3 ECO 2. < > DTSS disabled and deleteted. Any ideas what may be wrong ? >  > -Kari- > HAUKKA$ @TCPIP$NTP_STARTUP >s9 > %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTP.EXE installedm >a& > %TCPIP-I-INFO, logical names created >a1 > %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting NTP services >m9 > -TCPIP-E-BADVALUE, value Service User_name is incorrect- >- > -RMS-E-RNF, record not found >61 > %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting NTP serviceu >c > -RMS-E-RNF, record not found >n1 > %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting NTP service@ >t9 > -TCPIP-E-BADVALUE, value Service User_name is incorrect  >b > -RMS-E-RNF, record not found >R1 > %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting NTP servicee >c > -RMS-E-RNF, record not found >g/ > %TCPIP-E-STARTFAIL, failed to start TCPIP$NTP  > + > -TCPIP-E-ENABLERR, error enabling servicec >s$ > HAUKKA$ tcpip sho service ntp/full >  >h > Service: NTP >n > State: Disableds >e. > Port: 123 Protocol: TCP,UDP Address: 0.0.0.0 > + > User_name: not defined Process: TCPIP$NTP  >u >  >  >  >e >e   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2003 12:27:02 -0700 1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) N Subject: OpenVMS Pearl - OK for external distribution - Data Wizard on OpenVMS= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0308051127.63b1c584@posting.google.com>  B NEMONIX(tm) Engineering is pleased to announce the availability of? Data Wizard on OpenVMS. Please visit us at HP World in the DSPP6= Partner Pavilion for more information and a demonstration. AspF exclusive distributor of Data Wizard from Logica Labs on VAX and Alpha7 platforms, Data Wizard is the ultimate competitive DataaF Integration/Business Intelligence tool. It facilitates the integrationC and data mining of legacy systems, packaged applications, disparateMD operating platforms, heterogeneous database management systems, fileC systems, and communication protocols within and among organizationsrD and across geographically dispersed areas without any programming!!.E That means your users get to see the complete picture no matter where A the data is. Data Wizard is available for the following operating6F systems (OpenVMS on VAX & Alpha / UNIX / LINUX / WINDOWS / OS390 / VSE	 / OS400).m  C For more information contact NEMONIX Engineering at 1-800-435-8650, ? 508-429-3660 or send mail to engnemonix@nemonixengineering.com.%   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Aug 2003 16:51:48 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates0 Message-ID: <qhllu77je3.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>   I wrote:N > I just looked it over, and there's not even the slightest similarity between@ > the DEC BASIC source code and the Microsoft BASIC source code.  ' Ishikawa <ishikawa@yk.rim.or.jp> wrote: 6 > This is mainly because the Microsoft BASIC needed to6 > fit in the very tight memory space of that time, and? > for this, the Microsoft basic used tokenizatin/compression of21 > the source lines in a somewhat paranoia manner.h3 > That was a very good point of MS Basic back then.   D HP 2000 Time Shared BASIC did a much better job of minimizing memoryE utilization of user programs, and that predated Microsoft's effort byEA six years.  Both that and Apple's Integer BASIC (which came afteriE Microsoft BASIC) did much more agressive encoding, rather than simply 2 replacing keywords with single-byte abbreviations.  B Wozniak has stated that he had partially completed an extension ofJ Apple BASIC to floating point at the time the decision was made to license Microsoft BASIC instead.  A > But aside from it, then it was a bland implementation of BASIC. - > At that level, there would be a similarity.p  J Not any more than you'd expect to find between any two BASIC interpreters.H The structure of the DEC and Microsoft interpreters aren't even similar.F It's not a matter of Microsoft copying DEC's general design and addingI tokenization.  There's really no common structure to them.  The Microsoft E source code doesn't reveal even the slightest bit of inspiration fromeG the BASIC-10 source code.  While it's possible that Gates and Allen hadeG access to the BASIC-10 source code, it doesn't appear that they studiedt it or used it as a model.S   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Aug 2003 18:42:00 -0700:' From: st-wong@alumni.cuhk.net (ST Wong)u< Subject: Re: pls help: install OS on DS10L without console ?< Message-ID: <28073c51.0308051741.fc19ce1@posting.google.com>  v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<HSMMmJQm8I+N@eisner.encompasserve.org>...i > In article <28073c51.0308050345.34eb3715@posting.google.com>, st-wong@alumni.cuhk.net (ST Wong) writes:k > > Hi, all, > > H > > I've 4 old DS10L without console.  They're connected to an DECserverE > > 90M.  Although i can access the DECserver using a terminal, but IWG > > can't access the console of those DS10L through the DECserver 90M. i- > > Here comes some commands output I tried :  > B >    The easiest way is to temporarily plug your terminal into theA >    OPA0 serial port of the DS10L instead of into the DECserver.r > E >    It's also possible to establish a connection by running a serialEH >    line from the serial port of the DS10L to the DECserver, but that's, >    most likely an unecessary complication.  E Thanks, but too bad is that the terminal is not available now.  Now I0F use the COM port of another Alpha machine running RedHat to access the
 DECserver.  
 Thanks again.: /STt   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:14:17 -0500% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>n< Subject: Re: pls help: install OS on DS10L without console ?; Message-ID: <vl_Xa.77620$6a3.2243509@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>0  J Is the DECSERVER setup for telnet listener service?  If so, then you wouldK just telnet to the IP and port that you want to access the console on, justaL like you access the terminal sever itself.  If the IP of the terminal serverL was 90.0.0.1,  and you wanted to get to the console on port1, then you wouldH telnet to 90.0.0.1/port=2001 or something like that dependant on your IPL configuration, and your telnet program/service.  The telnet session defaults: to port 23 that is console for the terminal server itself.  J Here is a log of setting up a whole server for telnet listener service forK use with consoleworks.  You will probably just need to verify and/or modifyaH the first 4 ports that  your console ports are plugged into.  You do not) need modify the entire server like I did.e   I hope this helps you.  
 Mike Naime     Local> sho telnet liste alla    A Listener TCP-port:  23                     Listener Type:  TELNETb" Identification:     Telnet Console Ports:              Console. Connections:        Enabledv IP Address:         90.0.0.15e  C Listener TCP-port:  2001                     Listener Type:  TELNETs Identification:. Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15   C Listener TCP-port:  2002                     Listener Type:  TELNETn Identification:d Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15i  C Listener TCP-port:  2003                     Listener Type:  TELNETn Identification:i Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15   C Listener TCP-port:  2004                     Listener Type:  TELNETG Identification:r Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15k  C Listener TCP-port:  2005                     Listener Type:  TELNETs Identification:n Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15h  C Listener TCP-port:  2006                     Listener Type:  TELNETo Identification:o Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15c  C Listener TCP-port:  2007                     Listener Type:  TELNET  Identification:O Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15   C Listener TCP-port:  2008                     Listener Type:  TELNET  Identification:- Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15b  C Listener TCP-port:  2009                     Listener Type:  TELNETo Identification:  Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15o  C Listener TCP-port:  2010                     Listener Type:  TELNET  Identification:  Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15E  C Listener TCP-port:  2011                     Listener Type:  TELNETb Identification:b Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15   C Listener TCP-port:  2012                     Listener Type:  TELNETh Identification:a Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15   C Listener TCP-port:  2013                     Listener Type:  TELNET  Identification:  Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15n  C Listener TCP-port:  2014                     Listener Type:  TELNETt Identification:a Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15s  C Listener TCP-port:  2015                     Listener Type:  TELNETo Identification:r Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15t  C Listener TCP-port:  2016                     Listener Type:  TELNETo Identification:  Ports:              None Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15o   Local> help set telnet! DEFINE/SET/CHANGE TELNET LISTENERg  K Enables a Telnet listener. Listener is associated with one or more physical.G Access Server ports.  In order to SET CONNECTIONS ENABLED, at least one B port must be set for the LISTENER.  In order to set PORTS or TYPE, CONNECTIONS must be DISABLED.   F {DEFINE}  TELNET LISTENER  listener-id  {CONNECTIONS}       {ENABLED }F {SET   }                                {PORTS {ALL      }} {DISABLED}; {CHANGE}                                       {port-list}}u;                                                {CONSOLE  }}oB                                         {IDENTIFICATION id-string}A                                         {TYPE {RAW [TCP]|TELNET}}p9                                         {INTERNET ADDRESS  {internet-address}}-  D                                                  {DEFAULT         }}  H listener-id    identifies Telnet listener.  Valid range is 23, 2001-2016F                decimal (2001-2032 if Access Server has 32 ports).  The?                listener-id also serves as the default TCP port.   ? CONNECTIONS    enables/disables listener to receive connections0#                (default: DISABLED).B  9 Enter <CTRL/Z> to exit HELP or press <RET> to continue...y  = PORTS          ports where listener will be enabled/disabled.m  I ALL            associates listener with physical ports 1 to the number ofnH                ports and disassociates it from remote management console port.   F port-list      can include any combination of ports 1 to the number of ports.I                This will disassociate the listener from the console port.t  F CONSOLE        associates listener with remote management console port9                and disassociates it from all other ports.t  K IDENTIFICATION id-string  descriptive text associated with the listener fora"                show displays only.  H TYPE           specifies whether this listener will pass raw data or use4                TELNET translations and negotiations.  H INTERNET ADDRESS   assigns an internet address to a listener causing theI                    listener to only accept connection request targeted to 8                    TCP port 23 of the specified address.    9 Enter <CTRL/Z> to exit HELP or press <RET> to continue... K internet-address   an Internet address specified in dotted decimal notation   I DEFAULT            de-assigns an internet address from a listener causing  the I                    listener to revert back to using the server's InternettE                    address and a TCP port equal to the listener's ID.     
 SET Subtopic?d Topic?! Local> set telnet list po all ena                           ^' Local -334- Invalid listener identifiera Local> set telnet list all ena                           ^ ' Local -334- Invalid listener identifieri# Local> set telnet list all conn enae                           ^n' Local -334- Invalid listener identifier " Local> set telnet list 2001 port 1" Local> set telnet list 2002 port 2" Local> set telnet list 2003 port 3" Local> set telnet list 2004 port 4" Local> set telnet list 2005 port 5" Local> set telnet list 2006 port 6" Local> set telnet list 2007 port 7" Local> set telnet list 2008 port 8" Local> set telnet list 2009 port 9# Local> set telnet list 2010 port 10 # Local> set telnet list 2011 port 11,# Local> set telnet list 2012 port 12e# Local> set telnet list 2013 port 13l# Local> set telnet list 2014 port 14f# Local> set telnet list 2015 port 15N# Local> set telnet list 2016 port 16b Local> sho telnet list 2001i    C Listener TCP-port:  2001                     Listener Type:  TELNETr Identification:i Ports:              1h Connections:        Disabled IP Address:         90.0.0.15   $ Local> set telnet list 2011 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2001 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2002 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2003 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2004 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2005 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2006 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2007 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2008 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2009 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2010 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2012 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2013 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2014 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2015 conn ena$ Local> set telnet list 2016 conn ena Local> sho telnet list 2001o    C Listener TCP-port:  2001                     Listener Type:  TELNETt Identification:  Ports:              1  Connections:        Enabledl IP Address:         90.0.0.15    Local> sho telnet list all  A Listener TCP-port:  23                     Listener Type:  TELNETe" Identification:     Telnet Console Ports:              Console  Connections:        Enabled  IP Address:         90.0.0.15i  C Listener TCP-port:  2001                     Listener Type:  TELNET  Identification:  Ports:              1  Connections:        Enableda IP Address:         90.0.0.15i  C Listener TCP-port:  2002                     Listener Type:  TELNETc Identification:o Ports:              2  Connections:        Enablede IP Address:         90.0.0.15o  C Listener TCP-port:  2003                     Listener Type:  TELNETe Identification:i Ports:              3  Connections:        Enabledu IP Address:         90.0.0.15i  C Listener TCP-port:  2004                     Listener Type:  TELNETc Identification:. Ports:              4i Connections:        Enabledl IP Address:         90.0.0.15s  C Listener TCP-port:  2005                     Listener Type:  TELNETA Identification:  Ports:              5  Connections:        Enabled  IP Address:         90.0.0.15   C Listener TCP-port:  2006                     Listener Type:  TELNETI Identification:  Ports:              6  Connections:        Enabled  IP Address:         90.0.0.15I  C Listener TCP-port:  2007                     Listener Type:  TELNETu Identification:  Ports:              7  Connections:        Enabled  IP Address:         90.0.0.15=  C Listener TCP-port:  2008                     Listener Type:  TELNET  Identification:  Ports:              8c Connections:        Enabledf IP Address:         90.0.0.15o  C Listener TCP-port:  2009                     Listener Type:  TELNETn Identification:  Ports:              9  Connections:        EnabledM IP Address:         90.0.0.15i  C Listener TCP-port:  2010                     Listener Type:  TELNETt Identification:f Ports:              10 Connections:        Enabled  IP Address:         90.0.0.15   C Listener TCP-port:  2011                     Listener Type:  TELNET  Identification:_ Ports:              11 Connections:        Enabledv IP Address:         90.0.0.15e  C Listener TCP-port:  2012                     Listener Type:  TELNETh Identification:d Ports:              12 Connections:        Enabledt IP Address:         90.0.0.15d  C Listener TCP-port:  2013                     Listener Type:  TELNETi Identification:l Ports:              13 Connections:        Enabled  IP Address:         90.0.0.15F  C Listener TCP-port:  2014                     Listener Type:  TELNETe Identification:  Ports:              14 Connections:        Enabledg IP Address:         90.0.0.15S  C Listener TCP-port:  2015                     Listener Type:  TELNETf Identification:  Ports:              15 Connections:        Enabled. IP Address:         90.0.0.15u  C Listener TCP-port:  2016                     Listener Type:  TELNETr Identification:. Ports:              16 Connections:        Enabledt IP Address:         90.0.0.15s      2 ST Wong <st-wong@alumni.cuhk.net> wrote in message7 news:28073c51.0308050345.34eb3715@posting.google.com... 
 > Hi, all, >TF > I've 4 old DS10L without console.  They're connected to an DECserverC > 90M.  Although i can access the DECserver using a terminal, but ImD > can't access the console of those DS10L through the DECserver 90M.+ > Here comes some commands output I tried :  >e3 > -------------------- cut here -------------------r > Local > show noder >e. > Node Name        Status       Identification > ? > SYSTEM2          Unknown      Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1 LAT NODEo? > SYSTEM3          Unknown      Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1 LAT NODEn? > SYSTEM4          Reachable    Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1 LAT NODEc >  > Local > show node system2o >a > D > Node: SYSTEM2                           Address: 08-00-2B-86-ED-7DD > LAT Protocol:     V5.2                  Data Link Frame Size: 1500 >e1 > Identification: Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1 LAT NODE  >e > Node Groups:  0C >  >m5 > Service Name      Status     Rating  Identification  >iA > SYSTEM2           Available      65  Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1 LATg	 > SERVICE  >n > Local > show port 1-2s >.A > Port  1: ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@              Server: LAT_00606D93552C  >IH > Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600H > Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:              9600H > Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        Disabled > Stop Bits:           Dynamic > H > Access:                Local           Local Switch:              NoneH > Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_1H > Break:                 Local           Session Limit:                4H > Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      AnsiH > Default Protocol:        LAT           Default Menu:              NoneH > Autolink Timer One:10 Two:10           Dialer Script:             None >e > Preferred Service: None  > Authorized Groups:   0 > (Current)  Groups:   0 >  > Enabled Characteristics:D > Autobaud,  Autoprompt,  Broadcast,  Failover,  Input Flow Control, > Lock, H > Loss Notification,  Message Codes,  Output Flow Control,  Verification >;A > Port  2:                               Server: LAT_00606D93552CR >LH > Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600H > Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:              9600H > Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        Disabled > Stop Bits:           Dynamic > H > Access:               Remote           Local Switch:              NoneH > Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_2H > Break:                 Local           Session Limit:                4H > Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      AnsiH > Default Protocol:     Telnet           Default Menu:              NoneH > Autolink Timer One:10 Two:10           Dialer Script:             None >N > Preferred Service: None  > Authorized Groups:   0 > (Current)  Groups:   0 >  > Enabled Characteristics:D > Autobaud,  Autoprompt,  Broadcast,  Failover,  Input Flow Control, > Lock,rH > Loss Notification,  Message Codes,  Output Flow Control,  Verification >o > Local > connect lat system2s >e3 > Local -234- Connection to SYSTEM2 not established  >             Service disabled >,3 > -------------------- cut here -------------------o >hH > The systems were previously installed with Tru64 Unix (by Compaq staffE > a long time ago) but the network configuration seems not ready yet.  >lH > I wonder if it's possible to access their console as I want to install, > RedHat on them.  Would anyone please help? > G > Sorry that I'm new to Alpha machines and asked some newbie questions.4 >3 > Thanks a lot.l	 > ST Wongo   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 01:42:17 GMTm; From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net>e Subject: Re: Problems with NFS; Message-ID: <Z1ZXa.9744$jg.2600813@news1.news.adelphia.net>u  9 "Georg Nowak" <Georg.Nowak@sms-demag.de> wrote in messages6 news:e7d8e959.0308040556.34deb2a@posting.google.com... > "> Georg,e > >oH > > I recall an issue with V5.1 in that area in the initial release.  Be sureJ > > that you get the last ECO to V5.1 installed.  Better yet, if you could getlL > > your mitts on V5.3+ you can also pick up some rather serious performance > > enhancements as well.- > >-	 > > -John- >-
 > Hello John,  > E > thanks for your help. I have installed the latest ECO for 5.1 (155)IA > and it looks like I'm one step further - but still not happy :)9 >eB > Now I get following error message when I try to mount (all other% > setups are like described before) :r >a> > TCPIP> mount dnfs1: /path="/dkc600/SMSdemag" /host=localhost> > %TCPIP$DNFSMOUNT-E-MOUNTFAIL, error mounting _DNFS1:[000000]> > -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node >F$ > But it works if I mount like this:/ > TCPIP> add proxy gnow /uid=100/gid=100/host=*,G > TCPIP> mount dnfs1: /path="/dkc600/SMSdemag" /host=localhost /uid=1000
 > /gid=100 >)H > I thought setting the proxy ucx$nobody (-2,-2) would handle the login,C > so that I do not have to set the parameters /uid/gid on the mount H > command ? Is there anything else I'm doing wrong ? I have read all theH > documentation on the net about setting up NFS on VMS, but I can't findG > my error. I mean, there are just 3 things to do: add map, add export,c > add proxy - done.p >r
 > Thanks ! > Georg   G Take a look at the proxy that -2,-2 is coming in as (without a matchinge proxy,/ assuming you enabled -2,-2 in the first place).V  L Then look at the device that you are trying to mount.  Is the mount point inJ the exports file?  Is the basic device is there?  What is the ownership of the C volume and the MFD ([000000]000000.DIR;1)?  What is the protection?   D It probably works because the second situation provides a resolvable identity0 and is okay with the ownerships and protections.  K Take a look and let me know.  Email me here (john at o s s c dot [net]) andMH there may be something else I can provide you with to get an idea what's goingn on.p   -John    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:59:02 GMTs$ From: Paul.Gallo@hp.com (Paul Gallo) Subject: Re: VMS License auditsd3 Message-ID: <3f30286c.14658062@netnews.comcast.net>   	 Try here:a/ http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=indexo  F On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:26:21 +0100, "Rolona" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:  B >Anyone know where I can get a license audit done for VMS servers? >n >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:00:47 GMTh$ From: Paul.Gallo@hp.com (Paul Gallo) Subject: Re: VMS License audits 3 Message-ID: <3f3028f3.14793296@netnews.comcast.net>o  	 try here:i/ http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=indexc  F On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:26:21 +0100, "Rolona" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:  B >Anyone know where I can get a license audit done for VMS servers? >e >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:56:49 +0200t From: jf.pieronne@laposte.net  Subject: Re: Web Apps for VMSr2 Message-ID: <bgor80$5e4$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr>   Paul Sture wrote:nc > In article <vzJXa.1425$qb2.200@news.cpqcorp.net>, "labadie" <tonari_no_tottoro@127.0.0.1> writes:o > I >>"Carlc Internet Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com> wrote in message - >>news:U4dWa.416$kl5.23885@news.uswest.net...e >> >>>oI >>>I've messed with MySQL a bit on OpenVMS. > version, but requires a few  >>- >>other things I didn't want to preload (likeh >>
 >>>openssl >>>older version). >>L >>May be there is a weakness in openssl (I do not know) but Mysql comes with
 >>openssl. >> >  > A > I got a mail from HP last Thursday about a weakness in OpenSSL:o > " > SOURCE:  HEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY* >          Software Security Response Team > 4 > REFERENCE:  CAN-2003-0131, CAN-2003-0147, VU997481 >  > PROBLEM SUMMARY A > A potential vulnerability in OpenSSL may allow local and remoteh? > users to obtain the server's private encryption key. Also, an?? > additional vulnerability in OpenSSL may allow remote users toy4 > perform an unauthorized RSA private key operation. >  > VERSIONS IMPACTEDt@ > All currently supported versions of HP OpenVMS including V6.3,& > V7.1, V7.2x, V7.3x running Open SSL. >      e > RESOLUTIONB > The resolutions for these vulnerabilities are included in HP SSLI > for OpenVMS V1.1 kit.                                               =20w >  =20 > > > This kit is available for download from the OpenVMS security2 > web site and it includes a buildable source kit:1 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/security.htmln > > > HP SSL Version 1.1 for OpenVMS Alpha kit is based on OpenSSL  > 0.9.6g, is now available from:1 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ssl/e >  > 8 > SUPPORT: For further information, contact HP Services. > 9 > SUBSCRIBE: To subscribe to automatically receive futurea> > Security Advisories from the Software Security Response Team > via electronic mail:7 > http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/mail-list.shtml     N MySQL and Python support HP SSL for OpenVMS V1.0B and V1.1 so I don't see any '   problem to use the kit provide by HP.m  - HP OpenSSL V1.1 release date is May 30, 2003.n   Jean-Franois Pironne   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.431 ************************e" icon and shut down the device, turnF off camera, unplug camera, go take more pictures or whatever. It mightG be even easier on XP - they may have removed the manual device shutdown E step (supposedly needed on W2000 to insure your data integrity and/or D system stability, although my camera has timed out after 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accepted.  <<< PORT 147,162,156,46,200,346 >>> 200 Port 200.34 at Host 147.162.156.46 accep