1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 13 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 445       Contents:9 Re: Can I bring up just one node in a 3 node OVMS cluster 9 Re: Can I bring up just one node in a 3 node OVMS cluster  diff between SH LIC and PRODUCT # Re: diff between SH LIC and PRODUCT # Re: diff between SH LIC and PRODUCT 4 Re: How many errors are too many when making CD-R's? Re: how to start DECevent % Re: itrc - H.P. I.T. Resource Center. % Re: itrc - H.P. I.T. Resource Center.  more HP layoffs  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates & TFTP server logging on HPAQ TCP/IP 5.3* Re: TFTP server logging on HPAQ TCP/IP 5.3 Re: TPU Section files...% Upgrading VMS Cluster to DS10 or ES40 ) Re: Upgrading VMS Cluster to DS10 or ES40 4 Re: Using TCPIP$SMTP_SEND_FROM_FILE in a FORTRAN app4 Re: Using TCPIP$SMTP_SEND_FROM_FILE in a FORTRAN app  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:04:29 +0100 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> B Subject: Re: Can I bring up just one node in a 3 node OVMS cluster? Message-ID: <bca404214c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   : In message <01KZDILO0CSKAM7Y4A@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>D           Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  H > > I was to take an image backup of the system disk of each of my nodes3 > > in an OVMS cluster booting from the install CD.  >  > OK.  > 3 > So there is a separate system disk for each node?  > H > > The recommendation is to ensure the cluster is down when doing this./ >                                       ??????? K > Perhaps this recommendation assumes a common system disk.  If there is a  H > separate system disk for each node, then it is enough if that node is J > down.  In fact, this (keeping the cluster up while doing maintenance on 9 > a node) is a good reason to have separate system disks.  > J > > However I believe it will not be possible just to bring one node up onE > > it's own due to the rules of quorom. Can anyone confirm that I am 3 > > correct and also if there is a way around this.  > @ > If you boot from the CD, then you boot that node "standalone". > K > Shut down the node.  Reboot from CD.  Do the backup.  Reboot from disk.    > Repeat for the other nodes.  > F > This assumes that each node has 1 vote and that expected votes is 3. > E > I will leave to followups questions regarding whether or not to use I > /REMOVE_NODE and the relationship of this to MSCP-served disks mounted  , > on nodes other than the ones hosting them. >   K I seem to recall in a SCSI cluster it is necessary to disconnect the shared D SCSI bus after shutting down the single node, and before booting it.I Otherwise there is a clash of port allocation classes on the bus, and the  standalone node bugchecks.  J If the SCSI cable has a Y adapter, this is easy - disconnect the Y adapterK from the host, and the bus is undisturbed. The standalone host doesn't care ) that its unused port is now unterminated.    Alan       --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:35:56 GMT  From: Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nzB Subject: Re: Can I bring up just one node in a 3 node OVMS cluster% Message-ID: <3f398788.103134031@news>   D On 12 Aug 2003 03:41:20 -0700, mike.whorley@coda.com (mikeyw) wrote:   >Hi, > E >I was to take an image backup of the system disk of each of my nodes 0 >in an OVMS cluster booting from the install CD. > E >The recommendation is to ensure the cluster is down when doing this. G >However I believe it will not be possible just to bring one node up on B >it's own due to the rules of quorom. Can anyone confirm that I am0 >correct and also if there is a way around this. > 
 >Many thanks,  >Mike.  # Others have answered your question. D If you wanted to shut down most of the nodes, leaving one you can by- using the Remove_Node Option during shutdown. 7 This will recalculate quorum as each node is shut down.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:00:17 +0100 (BST) = From: =?iso-8859-1?q?amit=20sawhney?= <thick_guy_9@yahoo.com> ( Subject: diff between SH LIC and PRODUCT@ Message-ID: <20030813010017.23296.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>   Hi all, 1 Why don't I see exactly the same layered products . using SHOW LICENSE and PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT *?   Thanks in advance...   ===== 	 Sincerely  Amit S  H ________________________________________________________________________E Want to chat instantly with your online friends?  Get the FREE Yahoo! ( Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:50:40 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"), Subject: Re: diff between SH LIC and PRODUCT6 Message-ID: <00A2448B.16F4D31F@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <20030813010017.23296.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?amit=20sawhney?= <thick_guy_9@yahoo.com> writes: >Hi all,2 >Why don't I see exactly the same layered products/ >using SHOW LICENSE and PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT *?   A Because those two commands are showing you very different things.   M SHOW LICENSE displays the stuff from your LMF$LICENSE database that have been L loaded (are active).  A license that's in the database but has been UNLOADEDO won't be displayed by SHOW LICENSE.  This command only shows what licenses have M been installed and loaded, not what software has been installed.  (It doesn't D show what you're licensed for, because 'licensed for' is a legal andK contractual concept; it shows you what licenses have been entered into that ! database and loaded into memory.)   O PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT displays from the PCSI database.  Products installed using I PRODUCT INSTALL are entered into this database.  Products installed using 1 VMSINSTAL are _not_ entered into this database.     I So PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT shows only the products installed from PCSI kits, J whether or not they're licensed, and fails to show products installed fromL VMSINSTAL kits, whether or not they're licensed. SHOW LICENSE shows licensesL which have been loaded into memory, whether or not matching layered products have actually been installed.    -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2003 23:06:34 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: diff between SH LIC and PRODUCT3 Message-ID: <U1+PDCOYFaIN@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <00A2448B.16F4D31F@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:  > In article <20030813010017.23296.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?amit=20sawhney?= <thick_guy_9@yahoo.com> writes:	 >>Hi all, 3 >>Why don't I see exactly the same layered products 0 >>using SHOW LICENSE and PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT *?  E In addition to all the correct answers provided by Alan, there is not F necessarily a one-to-one correspondence between licenses and products.L To use Compaq Ada in its most powerful mode requires two different licenses,I while a single DECset license covers 6 separate products (or 5 if you are  a fan of revisionist history).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:48:33 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: How many errors are too many when making CD-R's? - Message-ID: <87znie5yz2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   0 spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:  D > I have been asked to archive data to CDs. I used to have access toD > CD-Rs that came in standard CD jewel cases. I used to get anywhereF > from zero to only a few errors with the individually packaged CD-R's, > that each come with its own CD jewel case.  7 > Would I be justified in asking for the more expensive 2 > individually-packaged CD-R's that I used to use?  = You need to ask this question in the `right' audio newsgroup. C rec.audio.pro would be a good start. There is a web site that track A which disks are worth using and what they are called this week...      --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:24:37 -0400 ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> " Subject: Re: how to start DECevent0 Message-ID: <l1bchb.rfm.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>   amit sawhney wrote:    > Hello all,7 > DECevent in our cluster is not working at the moment. 5 > How can I get it up? Is there a COM file (as is the ! > case for TCP/IP) I need to run?   K If your goal is simply to examine the error log, just install the DECevent  B product on each node in the system, then use the DIAGNOSE command.   --             Stu    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:08:00 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>. Subject: Re: itrc - H.P. I.T. Resource Center.) Message-ID: <3F394920.232FC939@intel.com>    Jeremy Begg wrote: >  > Hi,  >  > >Rick Jones wrote: > > G > > I'm not familiar with plans for OpenVMS, but do seem to recall that G > > even while there was the new web interface to get patches, an older C > > FTP one remained for HP-UX.  On a lark I decided to ftp to that , > > machine and see the top level directory: > > ( > > $ /opt/socks/bin/ftp ftp.itrc.hp.com! > > Connected to ftp.itrc.hp.com.  > O > I just had a quick look at the FTP server; all the OpenVMS patches seem to be  > there.  . Me too.  Thanks to Rick for pointing this out.  O > One nice touch is that the HTML README files have been replaced by plain text H > files equivalent to the older "cover notes".  The older FTP server hadM > selected products in separate directories (e.g. TCP/IP, DECnet) but the new 8 > one seems to have them lumped in with the O/S patches.  B I'm glad to see the Cover Letters back (one of my complaints from B yesterday's posting).  I also like seeing th elayered product ECOsD in the same directory.  They could be difficult to find in the past.   J > I guess time will tell if ftp.itrc.hp.com remains available and current.  > Ditto.  And I think I'll send our TAM a note and ask whther heD was aware of this new site.  I'd still like to see the ECO Summaries posted on DSNlink though...    	-Ken  --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield " D1C Automation VMS System Support ) kenneth[dt]h[dt]fairfield[ta]intel[dt]com    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 03 22:22:02 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) . Subject: Re: itrc - H.P. I.T. Resource Center.) Message-ID: <iUwBiYqPcgVQ@elias.decus.ch>   T In article <bha9hp$7kv$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes: > Jim Strehlow wrote:  >>  ( >> What is YOUR opinion of the new ITRC? > I > Our platinum team advised of about this some while back, and one or two & > of our teams signed up and tried it. > F > Very recently I got notification of the removal of the patch tree weE > know and love and thought I'd better try this out. Eventually I got H > registered, but I did not get the confirmation email I was supposed to  > about by user ID and password. > J > At first I didn't find selecting the "browse" option intuitive, and whenC > I did get it working, I was dismayed to see the limited amount of D > information. I did not like the idea of having to perform multipleI > selections, but for the hell of it I clicked a download, and it decided H > to save it as "PATCH.ZIP", not even now any name relevant to the kit I > was downloading. >   8 Um, you did better than me. I got totally lost in there.     H > I tried Lynx for VMS access. It is not only inconvenient having to FTPG > an already received file to another system (halving my productivity), E > the presence of bloatware on a windoze platform means I've precious G > little space anyway. Lynx failed miserably, well lets get this right, " > their web site failed miserably. > F > I also noted that we have access on the VAX side back to V5, and theG > Alpha side to V1. The earliest you start on the "new and improved" is  > 6.2, backwards step. > G > So I registered a complaint (Hello, miss) with our platinum team, and 0 > I've been assigned a case number on my behalf. > G > One argument that I saw for having to use IDs to log in is to protect G > HP's intellectual property. I would not mind having to use a user and E > password to access the current web patch tree (start a session) but H > there is only one sensible use for cookies, and the worst problem they+ > should give me is crumbs in the keyboard.  >   I I too don't mind creating a user id. However, I did not like the warnings E I read somewhere in there about cookies, and I certainly did not like > the Ts&Cs which implied anything I tell others on  the HP site becomes their copyright.  J > In summary this is a vote of no confidence in the new site. My colleagueD > who tried the site when we were notified is I understand similarly > unimpressed. >  > --  A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  > nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:49:37 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: more HP layoffs8 Message-ID: <8ae_a.3867$VG.139059@news20.bellglobal.com>  2 I just read the following article at the inquirer:) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10996 : If true, it looks like HP is still in slash and burn mode.  J BTW, I heard a recent rumour about Fall layoffs in the group that supportsL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS. (something about HP getting rid of contractors;M and this work being spun off to sub-contractors by Compaq before the merger).  Has anyone else heard this?     
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2003 14:06:26 -04003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates. Message-ID: <mdd4r0mzr6l.fsf@panix5.panix.com>   jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:   5 > In article <D2JkWN3WpxD9@eisner.encompasserve.org>, A >    koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   H >> In article <bh88d7$qb3$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:  D >>> And were all files limited to one length?  What do you do if youC >>> have a file that is larger than available pre-allocated memory?   F >> You used files as files.  You read a record or two, processed that,A >> and wrote a record or two to the output file.  You didn't need E >> a 256K of memory just because you had a file that took up the half  >> the floppy.  C > That's what sane people would have done :-).  I get the distinct  ) > impression that MS-DOS didn't know how.   N Ahh.  Your distinct impression is wrong in that case.  There are other reasons5 that MS-DOS loses readily, but that's not one of 'em.    --  O Rich Alderson                                     news@alderson.users.panix.com L   "You get what anybody gets.  You get a lifetime."  --Death, of the Endless   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Aug 2003 14:01:12 -04003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates. Message-ID: <mdd7k5izrfb.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  + bob smith <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net> writes:   G > 5u60 is the small kind cassette tape, tu58 was DECTape/LincTape size  = > spools, and the TU10 stuff was the industrial size magtape.   M TU-58 was microcassette--I know, I loaded enough of them into the HSC-50's on 9 our CI cluster at LOTS.  DECtape/LincTape is TU-55/TU-56.    --  O Rich Alderson                                     news@alderson.users.panix.com L   "You get what anybody gets.  You get a lifetime."  --Death, of the Endless   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Aug 2003 21:49:46 GMT From: healyzh@NOaracnetSPAM.com $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates, Message-ID: <bhbndq02t40@enews3.newsguy.com>  D In comp.os.rsts Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:- > bob smith <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net> writes:   H >> 5u60 is the small kind cassette tape, tu58 was DECTape/LincTape size > >> spools, and the TU10 stuff was the industrial size magtape.  O > TU-58 was microcassette--I know, I loaded enough of them into the HSC-50's on ; > our CI cluster at LOTS.  DECtape/LincTape is TU-55/TU-56.   H The TU-58's are also called "DECtape II".  Though I fail to see how they deserve the name.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:18:51 -0500 ) From: "Sam Rozenfeld" <rozenfeld@dls.net> / Subject: TFTP server logging on HPAQ TCP/IP 5.3 , Message-ID: <Bq2dnYyK_Pw2HqSiXTWJhQ@dls.net>   Hello,  H does anyone here know how to enable detailed logging (or debug mode) forK TFTP server on TCP/IP services 5.3 ? Any help would be greatly appreciated.   
 Sincerely,
 Sam Rozenfeld  DLS Internet Services    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:45:53 GMT  From: Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz3 Subject: Re: TFTP server logging on HPAQ TCP/IP 5.3 % Message-ID: <3f3989c0.103702625@news>   3 On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:18:51 -0500, "Sam Rozenfeld"  <rozenfeld@dls.net> wrote:   >Hello,  > I >does anyone here know how to enable detailed logging (or debug mode) for L >TFTP server on TCP/IP services 5.3 ? Any help would be greatly appreciated. >  >Sincerely,  >Sam Rozenfeld >DLS Internet Services >  > E Other than the set service tftp /logging=all command I cannot see any ) other way of enabling additional logging.   D I do know tftp is quite sensitive and in order to download files you: need to pre-create a file with suitable protection values.  ' What's the problem you're experiencing?    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:50:19 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>! Subject: Re: TPU Section files... ) Message-ID: <3F396F2B.84782745@intel.com>    Michael Austin wrote:  > J > After using TPU for <mumble> years, I finally have a problem I am havingG > difficulty in solving.... Writing a simple TPU Section file that does " > the equivilant of the following: >  > $edit <file>	 > replace  > ~  > crlf > all  > exit >  > Thanks...   > I really like to use TPU /Command procedures for this purpose.? They are very fast, use minimal resources, and can be used from E DCL procedures, e.g., in batch, for editing large numbers of files.    See example below my .sig.   	-Ken  --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield " D1C Automation VMS System Support ) kenneth[dt]h[dt]fairfield[ta]intel[dt]com   A =================================================================  !++  !       Replace_Tilde.TPU  !       =================  ! ? !       TPU /Command procedure to find any tilde (~) characters C !       in a file, erase them, and create a new line at that point.  !  !       Invoke like this:  ! E !           $ Edit/Tpu/NoDisp/NoSect/NoInit/Comm=Replace_Tilde <file>  !  !--  Procedure Replace_Tilde        Local   the_rng,             in_file,             in_buf;   4     in_file := Get_Info (COMMAND_LINE, "file_name");/     in_buf  := Create_Buffer ("Main", in_file);   %     Position (Beginning_of (in_buf));        the_rng := 0;      Loop8         the_rng := Search_Quietly ("~", FORWARD, EXACT);         ExitIf the_rng = 0;            Position (the_rng);          Erase_Character(1);          Split_line;      EndLoop;       Write_File (in_buf);       Return; 
 Endprocedure;    Replace_Tilde;
 Quit(OFF); Exit; ? ===============================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:58:26 -0500 1 From: "Grealy, Patrick" <PGrealy@sph.uth.tmc.edu> . Subject: Upgrading VMS Cluster to DS10 or ES40M Message-ID: <40B30BA5E139F648B2EA60E6AE3A7B2601CCA278@sphnt3.sph.uth.tmc.edu>   F Our current cluster is DEC7610 + DEC2100 + HSJ40/StorageWorks. We're =J considering the cheapest way to migrate to 21st century and maintain the =I redundancy of the cluster. Any suggestions considering DS10 vs. ES40? - =  Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:32:52 -0400 ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> 2 Subject: Re: Upgrading VMS Cluster to DS10 or ES400 Message-ID: <4hbchb.rim.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>   Grealy, Patrick wrote:  F > Our current cluster is DEC7610 + DEC2100 + HSJ40/StorageWorks. We'reJ > considering the cheapest way to migrate to 21st century and maintain theI > redundancy of the cluster. Any suggestions considering DS10 vs. ES40? - 	 > Thanks.   K ES40.  You can put a CIPCA-BA (PCI-CI port) in the ES40, but you can't put  1 one in a DS10 (or, at least, it's not supported).   K Oh, by the way, when your 21st century friends start asking "Why don't you  G upgrade to SAN", you can say that you've been using one ever since you  < started using your HSJ40, and that they work, and work well.  J At our shop, we've been using SAN technology since installing HSC50 (yes,   that's hsC50) over 15 years ago. --             Stu    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:30:01 GMT / From: "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com> = Subject: Re: Using TCPIP$SMTP_SEND_FROM_FILE in a FORTRAN app 8 Message-ID: <t%c_a.98$rG4.44@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>  + "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote: 7  > Earlier today I posted a request for a snippet using  tcpip$smtp_send_from_file G > in a FORTRAN app.  It seems that the tcpip$smtp_send_from_file is a C 1 > application.  So... I have a work-around: [...]   G You've done nine tenths of the work necessary to just call the original J routine without the additional C wrapper.  Just do something like iostat =G tcpip$smtp_send_from_file(%ref(infile_name(:len)//char(0)),,) and don't - forget the return isn't a conditional status.    James    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:11:57 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)= Subject: Re: Using TCPIP$SMTP_SEND_FROM_FILE in a FORTRAN app 1 Message-ID: <03081217115763@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   9 >  > Earlier today I posted a request for a snippet using  > tcpip$smtp_send_from_file I > > in a FORTRAN app.  It seems that the tcpip$smtp_send_from_file is a C 3 > > application.  So... I have a work-around: [...]  > I > You've done nine tenths of the work necessary to just call the original L > routine without the additional C wrapper.  Just do something like iostat =I > tcpip$smtp_send_from_file(%ref(infile_name(:len)//char(0)),,) and don't / > forget the return isn't a conditional status.    James -   J Yeah I know ... I was in a hurry to get through the test... THANKS for theG char(0) - I knew it was something like that, my memory is getting low.     Will try that...         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.445 ************************