1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 18 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 456       Contents:2 Re: 16 years experience in VMS - looking for a job RE: 306GB drives!  RE: 306GB drives!  Re: 306GB drives!  RE: 306GB drives!  Re: 306GB drives!  Re: 306GB drives!  Re: 306GB drives!  Re: 306GB drives!  CSA/CSE Certifications Request" RE: CSA/CSE Certifications Request  Re: decw$mwm change process name  Re: decw$mwm change process name  Re: decw$mwm change process name0 DECW$SM fills up the disk---is this a known bug?% Re: Fast ethernet and DECnet phase IV 6 How to determine which client is connected to a server: Re: How to determine which client is connected to a server: Re: How to determine which client is connected to a server: Re: How to determine which client is connected to a server) Re: HP IT Resource Center ?System Handle?  HSZ70 and Read-Ahead Caching. Memo:  problem converting data type - Macro 32" Re: Memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1 ?" Re: Memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1 ?" Re: Memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1 ?" Re: Memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1 ?" Re: Memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1 ?8 Overlapped IO with redirected SYS$OUTPUT for Sub Program
 PERL/SWISH Re: Precompiled zip for VMS 6.2  running a news SERVER under VMS F Re: running simh VAX simulator with some other microcode than default?F Re: running simh VAX simulator with some other microcode than default? Re: VMS License audits! Re: Website Based on ASP and VMS. ! Re: Website Based on ASP and VMS.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:36:19 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>; Subject: Re: 16 years experience in VMS - looking for a job 0 Message-ID: <3F40FEB4.6242B5CF@blueyonder.co.uk>   Michael Kalinowski wrote:  >  > Hi,  > N > i'm looking for a job (Europe). Due to my knowledge in VMS VAX and ALPHA i'dL > like to work further more in this area. Well MS operating systems are also > known. Last i was head of IT. J > Someone knows where i can find other forums or newsgroups regarding VMS,. > where i can contact potential organizations? >   U www.jobserve.co.uk and search for VMS. Also www.cwjobs.co.uk, www.theitjobboard.co.uk - etc, most of the jobs pop up on all of those.   > Past experience doesn't count much in the current market, only. current skills (ie VMS 7.3-1, SAN experience).  A Feel lucky if you can get considered ahead of the constant stream G of VMS expertise (with current hardware and disk technology experience) - that HP continues to dump on the jobs market.   I If you want a Windows job expunge the VMS word from your CV. The lobotomy H is not mandatory but may prevent you from headbanging, hair-tearing etc.  K Hope you land a job where you get experience porting from Alpha to Itanium. G Otherwise your VMS experience will be toast to the recruitment industry B in a couple of years, no matter how seamless a job VMS engineering3 do of making Alpha and Itanium versions compatible.   D Don't expect to be considered for jobs where relocation is an issue.  @ Expect to be offered approx 50 percent of your last salary/rate.  B Networking doesn't appear to help when the market is this bad, butF you could try joining you local HP/CUO and attending meetings I guess.   me, cynical?   regards,    > Any help would be appreciated. >  > Thanks in advance  > 	 > Michael ' > email: kalinowski-michael@t-online.de    --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2003 23:49:33 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: RE: 306GB drives!3 Message-ID: <S8RRaP6jJx80@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEIJHMAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  >    >>> @ >>> I wasn't talking about tape.  A cheaper disk based way wouldF >>> be to use ATA.  For instance, Nexsan ATA is about 1.7 cents/MByte.B >>> You can get adventurous and get cheaper than that.  But at 1.7B >>> cents that is $2 or so a GByte, you won't be buying HSG drives >>> that cheap any time soon.  >>> , >>> http://www.fusiondm.net/pages/ataboy.htm > L > 72GB scsi sca drives are avaialble for about $235 which works out to aboutH > 0.3 cents/Mbyte and to this you must add the cost of the cabinetry and& > cabling, so say a total of 0.4 cents >    	You missed something:   	72 * 1024 = 73728 MB  	 , 	73728 / 23500 pennies is 3.1+ cents per MB.  6 	It is easy to find 200 GByte ATA drives that sell for
 	around $200.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:59:27 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: 306GB drives!R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB0C7AC0@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Mike -  G Re: physical access to backup tapes when operating in contingency site:   $ > Backups would be the sticky point.  F Absolutely. Hence, the contingency plan must be have the capability toA physically perform backups / restores and normal archiving at the B contingency site. With HBVS volumes and backup tape devices in the* contingency site, that is not an issue.=20  G Absolutely do not plan on assuming you can get "special" access to that C original site as the Health authorities have zero tolerance when it  comes to issues like this.  3 Re: firmware updates requiring planned maintenance:   ? > Yes, Firmware upgrades re-boot both storage controllers at=20 ? > the point that you swap out the old VCS card for the new. =20 8 > VMS handles this fine and after the re-boot of both=20 > controllers continues on.   G Actually, there is typically a procedure which allows a rolling reboot, G but this does not always work as expected. I am sure Customers from all 8 vendor storage controllers can provide evidence of this.  F For mission critical environments, with HBVS and each member a HW RAIDH set on different controller sets, when one member is dismounted, both ofC the associated controller modules can be upgraded cleanly while the D system access the other HW RAID based member on the other controllerE set. When done, simply remount the other member on the controller set G with the new firmware. It only takes a minute or less for the writes to ) catch up and you are back in business.=20   H No down time needs to be planned for firmware updates with this process.H And if one controller in the set acts up for what ever reason, it can be' addressed without impacting production.   # Re: system crashes and HBVS issues:   A > And when this "Rare" event becomes a daily/weekly occurrence=20 = > because of failing hardware, what do you tell the client=20  > then?   H My thoughts are that you should not be planning a future strategy and/orE architecture based on assumption that you will be having daily/weekly  system crashes.    :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    =20    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:52:50 GMT 3 From: Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU>  Subject: Re: 306GB drives!= Message-ID: <C_30b.42069$bo1.3970@news-server.bigpond.net.au>    Mike Naime wrote:   A > I just hope that the 8.7 VCS cards supports that size of drive.     From the DIY dept...   B Strange you should mention this, what actually are the drive sizes0 that will work with HSG80s (8.5F in particular)?  D I'm mucking about with a WD2000BB 200GB IDE drive under OpenVMS (no,A not on an IDE controller - that would only do 28 bit block counts 3 so you would only get 132GB, and it would be slow).   > Currently playing with an ACARD SCSI->IDE bridge here at home.B Does 35MB/sec on a U160 SCSI controller. Interested in using theseF for a non critical RA8000 application on the external SCSI connectors.@ For AUS$528 for 200GB including the bridge, got to give it a go.  D I've been asked to add 2TB for around zero $ (as you do when workingG in a university - also of course, the RA8000 in question is jam packed  E full of 24 x (73GB and 50GB) drives shared between Tru64 and OpenVMS. ; No room for that cache battery SBB so it sits elsewhere :-)   A Not really looking for fast access here, just massive online data  storage.  C On the backup side of things, not expecting the data to change much A (stock exchange data). I've got a shiny new LTO-2 24 tape library C anyway that is very quick and great under OpenVMS. Tru64 I've still  got to sort the media changer.  E The ACARD looks plausible on a U160 controller under OpenVMS, however A for the life of me I could not get it to work on any computers at E work, Window(tm) or otherwise. Only just got it today - and needed to H update the firmware to get it to do anything usefull with VMS. I must be1 doing something wrong as it works here at home...   B Disk $1$DKB100: (HILUX), device type ATA WDC WD2000BB, is online,  mounted, file-H      oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is  enabled,      device is busy.  >      Error count                    0    Operations completed 	    192268 3      Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC   [SYSTEM]2      Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot  S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W =      Reference count                2    Default buffer size  	       512 ;      Total blocks           390721968    Sectors per track  	        96 =      Total cylinders            42397    Tracks per cylinder  	        96 %      Allocation class               1   @      Volume label              "TEST"    Relative volume number 	         0 ;      Cluster size                 375    Transaction count  	         2 ?      Free blocks            379648500    Maximum files allowed  	    519577 5      Extend quantity                5    Mount count  	         1 4      Mount status              System    Cache name  "_$1$DKA0:XQPCACHE" H      Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache  37964850@      File ID cache size            64    Blocks in extent cache  28453125F      Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache 	       990 2      Volume owner UIC           [1,1]    Vol Prot  S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD   I    Volume Status:  ODS-5, subject to mount verification, file high-water   marking,"        write-back caching enabled.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:58:38 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: 306GB drives!9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEJDHMAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- 3 >From: Rob Young [mailto:young_r@encompasserve.org] & >Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:50 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: RE: 306GB drives!  >  > @ >In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEIJHMAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom ! >Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  >>   >  >>>>A >>>> I wasn't talking about tape.  A cheaper disk based way would G >>>> be to use ATA.  For instance, Nexsan ATA is about 1.7 cents/MByte. C >>>> You can get adventurous and get cheaper than that.  But at 1.7 C >>>> cents that is $2 or so a GByte, you won't be buying HSG drives  >>>> that cheap any time soon. >>>>- >>>> http://www.fusiondm.net/pages/ataboy.htm  >>  A >> 72GB scsi sca drives are avaialble for about $235 which works  
 >out to about I >> 0.3 cents/Mbyte and to this you must add the cost of the cabinetry and ' >> cabling, so say a total of 0.4 cents  >>   >  >	You missed something:  >  >	72 * 1024 = 73728 MB >	- >	73728 / 23500 pennies is 3.1+ cents per MB.  > 7 >	It is easy to find 200 GByte ATA drives that sell for  >	around $200. >  >				Rob Yes, so it is.   >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). @ >Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release Date: 8/1/2003 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release Date: 8/1/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 02:15:29 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: 306GB drives!2 Message-ID: <TyKdnfBHefOK8t2iXTWJiA@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:S8RRaP6jJx80@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEIJHMAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: > >  >  > >>> B > >>> I wasn't talking about tape.  A cheaper disk based way wouldH > >>> be to use ATA.  For instance, Nexsan ATA is about 1.7 cents/MByte.D > >>> You can get adventurous and get cheaper than that.  But at 1.7D > >>> cents that is $2 or so a GByte, you won't be buying HSG drives > >>> that cheap any time soon.  > >>> . > >>> http://www.fusiondm.net/pages/ataboy.htm > > H > > 72GB scsi sca drives are avaialble for about $235 which works out to about J > > 0.3 cents/Mbyte and to this you must add the cost of the cabinetry and( > > cabling, so say a total of 0.4 cents > >  >  > You missed something:  >  > 72 * 1024 = 73728 MB > - > 73728 / 23500 pennies is 3.1+ cents per MB.    Not in this reality, Rob.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 02:24:30 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: 306GB drives!2 Message-ID: <oDOdnXM5AeWu7N2iXTWJkg@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:zYVV3vv$GJP9@eisner.encompasserve.org... J > In article <_Nu%a.93731$o27.2153066@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: > > : > > Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 > > news:Xrz7BErQmnjo@eisner.encompasserve.org... F > >> In article <%lj%a.93485$o27.2125405@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" > > <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: > > > > >> But you certainly could do a cheaper solution for backups= > >> (if new) since you have existing infrastructure it makes 4 > >> a lot of sense for you to pop in bigger drives. > >> > > G > > Cheaper, yes.  No argument there.  But cheaper usually is inversely J > > proportional to faster!  After a test restore from tape.  (The cheaperL > > solution)   Upper management let my director buy more storage for online9 > > backups.  Restoring from tape is a 3rd or 4th option.  > >  > > > I wasn't talking about tape.  A cheaper disk based way wouldD > be to use ATA.  For instance, Nexsan ATA is about 1.7 cents/MByte.@ > You can get adventurous and get cheaper than that.  But at 1.7  > cents that is $2 or so a GByte  , This just isn't your weekend for arithmetic.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:08:31 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: 306GB drives!2 Message-ID: <qZGcnSX5QK6IZ92iU-KYuQ@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:ay0ZrAQmRiSI@eisner.encompasserve.org...    ...   0 a better comparison would be $235 for a 72 GByte1 > SCSI drive, and $200 for a 200 GByte ATA drive.   K That's almost getting into competitive pricing territory, though.  A 10Krpm I SCSI drive may still cost a bit more than 3x as much per MB as a 7200 rpm J ATA drive, but it gives you  a) a higher-quality drive that is more robustC under less-than-ideal operating conditions (Google up "More than an I interface - SCSI vs. ATA", a recent paper which I haven't yet had time to G read but which reportedly is worth it),  b) noticeably better per-drive I performance (only about 2/3 the average random-access latency),  c) 2 - 3 K times as many seeking arms for the same capacity (i.e., the per-arm cost is I fairly close to that of ATA drives, so if your application is arm-limited D rather than capacity-limited it's close to a wash for cost), and  d)F consistent availability of performance features such as tagged-commandK queuing (they may become more standard with the new SATA drives, but so far K those new drives aren't as inexpensive as their parallel ATA siblings).  Of I course, SCSI controllers still cost more than ATA controllers (especially L parallel ones), and you may want one for each disk (though the likelihood ofF a disk failure paralyzing its SCSI bus is smaller than for ATA disks).  H I had started to think SCSI was on the way out until I realized just howI inexpensive the lower-end SCSI drives had become.  That may yet happen if I the new SATA drives turn out to be nearly as robust, but if not there may K remain an upper-tier niche for people who would rather use singly-mirrored, F more highly reliable (and faster) drives than doubly-mirrored ATAs (or multi-parity groups).    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2003 09:32:44 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: 306GB drives!3 Message-ID: <b3gP0dzrMEdy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <gMD%a.108944$6a3.3561801@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: > 8 > Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:zYVV3vv$GJP9@eisner.encompasserve.org... K >> In article <_Nu%a.93731$o27.2153066@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime"  > <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes:   >> > >>? >> I wasn't talking about tape.  A cheaper disk based way would E >> be to use ATA.  For instance, Nexsan ATA is about 1.7 cents/MByte. A >> You can get adventurous and get cheaper than that.  But at 1.7 A >> cents that is $2 or so a GByte, you won't be buying HSG drives  >> that cheap any time soon. >>+ >> http://www.fusiondm.net/pages/ataboy.htm  >> > > > How does it play with VMS???  Do you have one to comment on? >   ; 	No.  But VMS would be going through a backup server(s) to  > 	access when/if we get to do something like that (or similar).   >> >> >>D >> I'm pretty sure this is something that won't extend out.  We will@ >> see a flattening in drive sizes in a bit.  After that, surely3 >> we cutover to some of this Oak Ridge technology:  >  >>3 >> http://www.acq.osd.mil/bmdo/bmdolink/pdf/roo.pdf  >>0 >> Oak Ridge National Laboratory (Oak Ridge, TN) >>G >> A new technique developed at Oak Ridge National Laboratory offers an  > answer to K >> the demand for increased storage density. Surface-enhanced Raman optical  > dataI >> storage is based on a technology that detects the optical signature of L >> laser-excited molecules. This data storage method involves the alteration > ofH >> molecules that are embedded in a polymeric or silver- colored disk. A > laser K >> is used to "write" information on a disk, on which the optically altered M >> molecules and unaltered molecules serve as "bits." The normally weak Raman J >> signature of each molecule is amplified or enhanced by the substrate of > the J >> storage disk, such that the signature can be read by a signal detector. >>$ >> Or something simalarly whizbangy. >>@ >> You see a flattening today - even if only in home PC markets.B >> In the future it may make little or no sense to get super large? >> sizes as even with partitioning you end up with catastrophic C >> effects if you blow out a RAIDset and other issues that I'm sure  >> folks have in mind. > M > I remember when I got my first 40MEG drive, one of the guys at work told me % > "You will never fill that up!"  :-)  > M > I'm not real sure about a leveling off.  As the drives get bigger, and tech I > gets faster, we put more and more on disk.  Save that high quality home J > video directly on disk?  Or other online storage.  I'm sure that we willK > start seeing the raid technology more prevalent in the home market fairly F > soon.  I have a couple of friends that already have it in their home5 > systems, but they are not your average "Home" user.  > L > I see this as opening the market for online movie ordering...Etc.   As theD > broadband pipes get bigger...and storage gets larger, faster,  andN > cheaper...  people use it up.  Look at the new "VCR's" that use a hard driveL > to record that TV show that you want to watch later.... Look at the amountN > of people that now take broadband for granted.   Who want's dial up anymore?J > Tapes get faster, storage gets faster.....  Who's to say that you cannotL > restore a 1TB "disk" in an hour 5-10 years from now.  I see the conceptualG > idea behind the EVA expanding further.  You have some sort of modular M > storage media that plugs into a storage controller that manages it for you. 2 > Individual storage media failures are minimized. >     @ 	It may be something as simple as spindle count / gbyte haunting? 	us.  Sure - you do a TByte disk.  Now maybe you have 100 TByte = 	as a typical mid-size user (200-300 servers?).  You suddenly = 	don't have enough spindles for IO throughput.  That may be a  	deciding factor.      >> > >> >>  >>J >> I think the PRIMARY purpose of a cluster is for availability.  You lose? >> a member , you replace it.  You can replace it in an hour or D >> so - great.  I'm content to replace a member within a day.  GoingF >> forward I would like to add a member and go to next day on service.C >> If they had a "next week" service option, I'd take that too ;-).  >> > L > It sounds like you are not being penalized for downtime, or that it really9 > doesn't cost you anything when your systems are down.     B 	Absolutely does.  However, when a node is down  - there is enoughB 	horsepower to carry the day.  Makes little sense (unless fiscally> 	constrained) to down a node and not have enough horsepower to> 	service your user community.  The idea is to add another node? 	so that if a node goes down - you still have enough horsepower < 	if ANOTHER node goes down.  Not for everybody.  BUT you can? 	go to next day on service and save more than enough to justify @ 	the additional node.   Got to get creative in this day and age.   > It also sounds like L > the APP and mailserver that you support is radically different from what IG > am doing.  If you have the luxury of a day/week to replace something.  > Great!  + 	Not my mail problem - I just know of them.   N > We use the cluster to distribute processing, and also for shared media.   AnK > AIX 2-node system needs twice the amount of storage spindles that the VMS K > system does because they CANNOT  share the same storage space at the same $ > time.  Ditto for the W2K "Cluster"  = 	But it is high availability clustering - HACMP.  Or a better & 	moniker might be fallover clustering.   > 5 > Do you have any uptime SLA's that you have to meet?  >   F 	No.  I don't have downtime so no one is pressing me for uptimes SLAs.@ 	But you raise a very good point.  IF you are selling a service, 	YOU are bound by your SLA.   J >> >> Nah.  You have two or more EVAs and shadow across datacenters.  That: >> >> way when your datacenter loses power you keep going. >> > > N > One thing that I missed here before.  Why SHOULD my data center loose power?M > With PDU's, battery backup, and a generator that will lasts for a couple of C > days.  No reason to take this as a given.  IF everything works as H > advertised. (And so far it has) our power system reports/records powerK > problems/outages, but does not go down.  I lost power at home for 3 days, ' > but our data center never lost power.  >   ? 	You are fortunate.  I know of a datacenter that has lost power 5 	a few times.  A highly available datacenter at that.   H >> > Yes, but my point is that it would not be possible without the EVA.K >> > EVA's in 2 data centers does not necessarily need to be made redundant  > by >> > host based shadowing. >>A >> With VMS - sure.  VMS doesn't support DRM 2 and/or DRM 2 isn't ? >> here yet.  To make it more generic - have 2 separate storage ? >> "boxes" in 2 separate data centers.  Now you use HBVS across  >> datacenters.  >> > K > You lost me on that one.  HBVS?  Do you mean Host Based Volume Shadowing?  >   9 	Yes.  Point here is you are trotting out EVA.  It can be > 	any storage across datacenters (supported storage of course).  I > Just out of curiousity, How much data are you talking about transfering  > between data centers? F > You probably could get away with just having a T-3 pipe between data
 > centers.  B 	Or private fibre.  After all, with short-wave GBICs you can shoot> 	quite a distance.  Campus solutions being the most realistic.( 	Fault tolerant - not disaster tolerant.   >  > G >> > The solution is preferred if I can take the OS out of the picture. H >> > Otherwise, I will have 150+ systems trying to write to the far end. >>B >> The far end doesn't have to be that far away.  I'm not speaking >> of DR but fault tolerant. >> > + > I have to consider both at the same time.  >   ; 	Well then, you could save a ton of money pressing for that G 	second datacenter (roll your own DR).  Secondly, you can use HBVS and  H 	ensure all read traffic stays local with /READ_COST.  That way, you buy> 	enough bandwidth for write traffic.  Mini-copy and Host Based: 	mini-merge (going forward) ensures you don't have tons of* 	copy traffic going over your pipeline(s).  ? 	Keith Parris has reference material describing how this works. " 	Etrade was/is a paradigm example.   >> >>  > D >> Mail is the key.  Mail proliferates like rabbits.  Unfortunately,@ >> it is mostly flat files on disk.  Files that are old and makeI >> little sense to back up over and over again.  Unfortunately, scattered I >> on many tapes so restores are long.  However, mail is very distributed C >> and a small subset are impacted if a server is down.  This isn't A >> everybody in the world.  Sure, consolidate your tapes OR go to " >> large ATA storage pool for D2D. >> > H > Fortunately I do not mess with mail.  That would actually be a smaller > problem.  :-)  >   > 	Actually, it is a very large problem for many many folks now.C 	Various governing agencies are saying "you must keep email forever  	or a very long time."   >>F >> What is your restore speed criteria?  Surely met by LTO (assumption- >> you would have 2 streaming your restores).  > N > That, I am not really sure about.  O[u]r director and higher gets into thoseK > discussions.  I'm too busy with my duties to really get into the nuts and J > bolts details of backups.  We actually have a full time person that justN > works on backups.  They are in the midst of re-defining the standard for the > tape media that we use.  >   C 	Hmmm... something someone might want to benchmark and/or consider.    				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Aug 2003 21:17:20 -0700$ From: Mike <Mike_member@newsguy.com>' Subject: CSA/CSE Certifications Request ( Message-ID: <bhpk0g0aha@drn.newsguy.com>   Hi,    =    I'm going to be getting my CSA / CSE for VMS testing soon  < and was wondering if anyone could point me to some training : material.  I've got the VMS manuals, but I was hoping for 8 some documentation like what they have for the MCSE's.     Many thanks!     Mike   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:10:25 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> + Subject: RE: CSA/CSE Certifications Request R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB0C7AC1@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   >=20 > -----Original Message-----0 > From: Mike [mailto:Mike_member@newsguy.com]=20  > Sent: August 18, 2003 12:17 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >=20 > Hi,  > =20 A >    I'm going to be getting my CSA / CSE for VMS testing soon=20 @ > and was wondering if anyone could point me to some training=20> > material.  I've got the VMS manuals, but I was hoping for=20< > some documentation like what they have for the MCSE's. =20 >=20 > Many thanks! =20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20   Mike,   ' Some training / certification pointers: F http://h10017.www1.hp.com/certification/region/na/cse/bcs/openvms.html   More background:  5 http://h10017.www1.hp.com/certification/na/index/html 9 http://h10017.www1.hp.com/certification/na/migration.html 1 http://www.hp.com/education/sections/openvms.html  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:29:39 -0500 % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> ) Subject: Re: decw$mwm change process name < Message-ID: <1sZ%a.110109$6a3.3748300@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  J This is part of the design of how the OS operates.  You must have a UniqueL process name to go along with the PID.  If it is not unique, it will add the; _xxxx to it.  So, Either name it yourself, or live with it.   K Note:  This applies to users on the system as well.  The first time you log J in  you shows up as user NNNN that is also your process name.  the next is	 NNNN_xxxx   L You could always include the name for the PC that is supposed to be attached to it.D I.E.  set process/name="DECW$MWM_{PC_node_name}"  No spaces allowed!  J I forget the exact syntax for setting the name when you spawn the detached process. look in HELP SPAWN.   4 meidan zemer <meidanze@hotmail.com> wrote in message6 news:3bbfbaa2.0308170023.9a55d2b@posting.google.com... > Hi, C > We have a DS10 alpha machine which supplied motif application for  > PC's. 5 > For each PC i run the decw$mwm as a detach process. H > My problem is when i run the decw$mwm it's chaning the process name toE > decw$mwm_xxxx. I need to find a way to prevent the program decw$mwm B > from changing the process name.(like a switch or a logical name) > Does anybody knows a way? 	 > Thanks,  > Meidan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:59:12 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> ) Subject: Re: decw$mwm change process name / Message-ID: <vk15c6orgv6bad@corp.supernews.com>    Mike Naime wrote:   # (please do not top-post, thank you)   L > This is part of the design of how the OS operates.  You must have a UniqueN > process name to go along with the PID.  If it is not unique, it will add the= > _xxxx to it.  So, Either name it yourself, or live with it.   B You do not have to have a unique process name (though it is, ahem,# highly recommended within a group).   M > Note:  This applies to users on the system as well.  The first time you log L > in  you shows up as user NNNN that is also your process name.  the next is > NNNN_xxxx  > N > You could always include the name for the PC that is supposed to be attached > to it.F > I.E.  set process/name="DECW$MWM_{PC_node_name}"  No spaces allowed!  D No spaces allowed?  Whatever makes you think that?  Of course spaces are allowed.  #   $ set process/name="Mickey Mouse"    $ ^T'   XXXX::Mickey Mouse 09:58:45 (DCL) ...    > [... rest snipped ...]  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:46:55 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)) Subject: Re: decw$mwm change process name . Message-ID: <bhqosv$d1r$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   meidanze@hotmail.com (meidan zemer) writes in article <3bbfbaa2.0308170023.9a55d2b@posting.google.com> dated 17 Aug 2003 01:23:14 -0700:4 >For each PC i run the decw$mwm as a detach process.G >My problem is when i run the decw$mwm it's chaning the process name to D >decw$mwm_xxxx. I need to find a way to prevent the program decw$mwmA >from changing the process name.(like a switch or a logical name)  >Does anybody knows a way?  I Two processes on the same VMS machine can only have the same name if they J have different UIC "group" fields.  So, if i is your iteration variable...  # $ uic = f$fao("[!OW,200]", 200 + i) $ $ run /uic='uic' sys$system:decw$mwm  I One question -- since you run MWM as a detached process, how does it know  which display to use?   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:39:07 +0200 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 9 Subject: DECW$SM fills up the disk---is this a known bug? ; Message-ID: <01KZLUU92WPIAMIU2C@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H Here is the error, seen on a Personal Workstation.  After a few weeks orD months of DECwindows (with CDE) running, DECW$SM.LOG fills up due to these errors:   5  %XLIB-E-ERROREVENT, error event received from server M  X Error of failed request:  BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) 6    Major opcode of failed request:  66 (X_PolySegment)+    Resource id in failed request:  0x40068d '  Serial number of failed request:  2483 0    Current serial number in output stream:  2628  I If one doesn't log out (or otherwise restart DECwindows), the disk fills f up.  Nasty.   E I was familiar with this in 7.2-1.  I was hoping it had been fixed in H 7.3, but apparently not.  Does anyone know if it is fixed with 7.3-1 or  will be fixed with 7.3-2?o  G If it is not a known bug, then I'll put in an official bug report (but  G before going through that process, it would be nice to know if it is a   known bug).    Has anyone else seen this?  * What is the ultimate cause of the problem?  G Is it possible to avoid the problem via some workaround, i.e. changing e> system parameters or possibly adding more memory or something?  I I've seen this on a Digital Personal WorkStation with 7.2 and 7.3 and on eB an ALPHAstation 255/233 with 7.2-1 and perhaps 7.1, so I doubt it H depends on the hardware or on the OS version (unless it has been fixed).   Or have I missed a patch?1  G The archives show a few threads (usually started by me) on this topic.  E I stopped pursuing this since the problem "went away" when I stopped   staying logged in for so long.  F I don't think it's just a missed patch since it is still there in 7.3.> It is also not hardware-specific.  The machine is running onlyF DECwindows, CDE, some DECterms, clock, calendar and Mozilla.  Since onF the 255/233 I don't run Mozilla (not enough memory---I only have 64 MB= but hope to upgrade soon) on the 255, it doesn't appear to be C Mozilla-specific.  DECterm, DECW$CLOCK and DECW$CALENDAR have been -3 around so long I doubt it is caused by them per se.   F What is common to the machines I've seen this on is that they usually  run with little free memory.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:01:19 +0200o From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>. Subject: Re: Fast ethernet and DECnet phase IV2 Message-ID: <bhptki$dl0$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Hans Vlems wrote:pG > Situation: one Digital Server 5305  with a DE500 combined with a SCSIwK > adapter and one Digital Server 3300 with a single DE500. Both Alpha's runo
 > VMS 7.3.K > The adapters were connected to a 10 Mb/s repeater. DECnet, LAT and IP ranoL > fine, never a problem. The 5305 is used to store .ISO files so I bought anN > Edimax 10/100 switch. The ewa0 devices were changed to fastFD. LANCP on bothN > nodes reports that the adapters are running at 1000 MHz in full duplex mode.? > FTP transfers run flawless, though a little slow, at 30 Mb/s.wB > The problem is with DECnet copies. Even on small files (like the. > SYS$MANAGER:*.COM files) NCP reports errors.K > The link is closed, in fact the source node loses connection to the othereH > machine (adjacancy down). NCP SHOW LINE EWA-0 COUN shows 2 block check	 > errors.i >  > Hans >  > PSM > both machines are now down owing to the temperature in the attic; I'll posti% > more details when they're up again.e >     N Cheap unmanaged switches will always default to half-duplex operation if they > can not autonegotiate/autosense full duplex with the adapters.  O If you buy a chaep switch, try to get one with three leds per port. These leds eQ will show how the port operates: speed, data, and full or half duplex operation. nO The latter led will light up permanently in full duplex mode, or flash in case  / of collisions when running in half duplex mode.i   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2003 02:40:46 -07004 From: chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com (Chris Breemer)? Subject: How to determine which client is connected to a servern= Message-ID: <d62022e4.0308180140.3f8a3cd3@posting.google.com>    Hi all,   > I am looking for a way to find out which particular IP addressB is connected to a particular server process. I can see the server > process (with SHOW SYSTEM) and the open connections with their> IP addresses (with TCPIP "netstat -a" command) but the problemB is I cannot make the link between these. If netstat would show the> process ID I'd be happy, but it does not. Also if there were aB VMS equivalent of the UNIX "lsof" command. Any ideas appreciated !   TIA 
      Chris   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2003 09:09:13 -07004 From: chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com (Chris Breemer)C Subject: Re: How to determine which client is connected to a servern= Message-ID: <d62022e4.0308180809.47a7d5cd@posting.google.com>   8 Thanks a bunch Richard, this looks like what I'm after. $ I'll play around with this tomorrow.   Cheers          Chris  ] "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<bhq91h$hti@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>...:C > "Chris Breemer" <chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com> wrote in message39 > news:d62022e4.0308180140.3f8a3cd3@posting.google.com...0 > B > > I am looking for a way to find out which particular IP addressE > > is connected to a particular server process. I can see the servereB > > process (with SHOW SYSTEM) and the open connections with theirB > > IP addresses (with TCPIP "netstat -a" command) but the problemF > > is I cannot make the link between these. If netstat would show theB > > process ID I'd be happy, but it does not. Also if there were aF > > VMS equivalent of the UNIX "lsof" command. Any ideas appreciated ! > C > The nearest thing to lsof is probably the system (dump) analyser.o; > That will give you open channels, on a per-process basis.a >  > $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM. > SDA> SHOW PROCESS/CHANNELS/ID=xxxxxx in SDA. > C > That will map a server process to a list of the BG pseudodevices.w5 > Then you can use TCPIP SHOW DEVICE BGyyyy (which isfC > the 'native' netstat equivalent) to get you the port information.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:40:31 GMTr; From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net>cC Subject: Re: How to determine which client is connected to a serverr; Message-ID: <3k70b.3632$Nc.2478501@news1.news.adelphia.net>t  5 "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message % news:bhq91h$hti@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk...e >gC > "Chris Breemer" <chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com> wrote in messager9 > news:d62022e4.0308180140.3f8a3cd3@posting.google.com...e >hB > > I am looking for a way to find out which particular IP addressE > > is connected to a particular server process. I can see the serversB > > process (with SHOW SYSTEM) and the open connections with theirB > > IP addresses (with TCPIP "netstat -a" command) but the problemF > > is I cannot make the link between these. If netstat would show theB > > process ID I'd be happy, but it does not. Also if there were aF > > VMS equivalent of the UNIX "lsof" command. Any ideas appreciated ! >oC > The nearest thing to lsof is probably the system (dump) analyser. ; > That will give you open channels, on a per-process basis.o >s > $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM. > SDA> SHOW PROCESS/CHANNELS/ID=xxxxxx in SDA. > C > That will map a server process to a list of the BG pseudodevices.d5 > Then you can use TCPIP SHOW DEVICE BGyyyy (which is5C > the 'native' netstat equivalent) to get you the port information.m >   D I have also written the TCPIP SDA extension which can give you a lotA of information.  Once in SDA with the device, you can use various:= TCPIP commands to get detailed information.  Try a TCPIP HELP  in SDA.:  K While I try to keep up on the utility, sometimes it falls behind.  With theuF other engineers making changes, it's hard to do that PLUS the 6 pieces6 of NFS server, BGDRIVER/INTERNET_SERVICES, INETDRIVER, TNDRIVER, PROXY_SERVER, etc.  I If anyone has requests for things that they'd like to access through SDA,l- let me know and I'll see if I can whip it up.    -John    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:16:16 +0100o* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>C Subject: Re: How to determine which client is connected to a serverd+ Message-ID: <bhq91h$hti@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>I  A "Chris Breemer" <chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com> wrote in messagel7 news:d62022e4.0308180140.3f8a3cd3@posting.google.com...   @ > I am looking for a way to find out which particular IP addressC > is connected to a particular server process. I can see the server @ > process (with SHOW SYSTEM) and the open connections with their@ > IP addresses (with TCPIP "netstat -a" command) but the problemD > is I cannot make the link between these. If netstat would show the@ > process ID I'd be happy, but it does not. Also if there were aD > VMS equivalent of the UNIX "lsof" command. Any ideas appreciated !  A The nearest thing to lsof is probably the system (dump) analyser.r9 That will give you open channels, on a per-process basis.4   $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM, SDA> SHOW PROCESS/CHANNELS/ID=xxxxxx in SDA.  A That will map a server process to a list of the BG pseudodevices. 3 Then you can use TCPIP SHOW DEVICE BGyyyy (which isoA the 'native' netstat equivalent) to get you the port information.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:45:55 -0500 % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>a2 Subject: Re: HP IT Resource Center ?System Handle?< Message-ID: <iHZ%a.110111$6a3.3752625@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  I This is not currently available for the Compaq/VMS side of the house.   IcK was told that it might be available by November when I left feedback asking  about this.   K Force us to use a new support tool, and then not be prepared to support thes* support tool!  Great way to run a company.  3 Send HP feedback and ask what yours would be!   :-)fE If enough of us complain, it might speed it up by a day or two!   :-)   
 Mike Naime  ? Lestat deLioncourt <lestat@oregon.uoregon.edu> wrote in message 2 news:gsgqjvcooo2dvp0401583jd8gf5qmdhb16@4ax.com...F > When I registered for the HP ITRC, in order to associate myself withD > our maint contract I needed a "system handle".  We have a bunch ofH > systems on the contract, but none of them show a "system handle".  Any= > clue on how I get that assigned to the contract?  Thanks...  >  > Rick Millhollin  > University of Oregon   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2003 08:34:58 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o% Subject: HSZ70 and Read-Ahead Cachingl3 Message-ID: <E93Kej4MVbkA@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  6 	Recently we had a discussion about read-ahead caching5 	and HSx80.  I found out that read-ahead was added toe8 	HSZ70.  It didn't initially ship that way but was added 	in HSOF 7.3 (I believe):   8 	Found in this manual (or EK-HSZ70-CG) found in the same 	directory:   V ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/storageworks/techdoc/controllers/EK-HSZ70-SV-B01.pdf   Read-Ahead Caching  E Read-ahead caching begins once the controller has already processed aCH read request and it receives a sequential read request from the host. IfG the controller does not find the data in the cache memory, it reads theA5 data from the disks and sends it to the cache memory.bF The controller then anticipates subsequent read requests and begins toI prefetch the next blocks of data from the disks as it sends the requested>I read data to the host. This is a parallel action. The controller notifies>? the host of the read completion, and subsequent sequential readeF requests are satisfied through the cache memory. By default, readahead& caching is enabled for all disk units.   	n1 	However, if you find an A rev of HSOF docs, i.e.s! 	HSOF Version 7.0, like this one:m   DIGITAL StorageWorks HSZ70 Array Controller HSOF Version 7.0 EK-HSZ70-CG. A01 Digital Equipment Corporation> Maynard, Massachusetts  = 	Published January 1997 (above manual published in 1999), yousA 	find this regarding caching (same section on or about page 2-2):	     Increasing Read Performance    Read Caching  C This caching technique decreases the subsystem's response time to ahG read request by allowing the controller to satisfy the request from the-. cache memory rather than from the disk drives.G When the controller receives a read request from the host, it reads the0M data from the disk drives, delivers it to the host, and also stores it in therF cache memory. If the host requests the same data again, the controllerH can satisfy the read request from the cached data rather than re-reading it from the disk drives.: By default, read caching is enabled for all storage units.   Write-Through Cachings  C This caching technique also decreases the subsystem's response time@H to a read request by allowing the controller to satisfy the request from2 the cache memory rather than from the disk drives.  = 	Nothing about read ahead.  So between HSOF 7.0 and HSOF 7.3,n' 	Read-Ahead caching was added to HSZ70.    				Rob>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:32:29 +0100  From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com7 Subject: Memo:  problem converting data type - Macro 32rE Message-ID: <OF37E8BCA9.021C7CEA-ON80256D86.0051F1C2@systems.uk.hsbc>o   Folks   : What should be a simple exercise, in test appears to fail:  K I have a need to convert .quad data (times) to f-floats in order to further K process some data. The VAX instruction set does not provide a converter noreI is there a specific system routine to do this (that I can find) and so amn using    LIB$CVT_DX_DX.c  F In order to test this (code below) I am adding a constant to the inputE quad, converting it through the routine and using the VAX instructionRJ CVTRFL to convert back to .long and comparing the result with the originalI input through the debugger.  It doesn't always match. The error is not 326
 bit overflow.s   Environment:       Alpha PSW, VMS 7.3-1,       OpenVMS Alpha Debug64 Version V7.3-102  F The snippets following are the short program and a cut 'n paste of theH debug output. Note that if left to run, the error starts to increase - I1 have seen it go +/- 2 out in preliminary testing.e  ; Can anyone shed some light on what is undoubtedly my error?r   Many thankso   Paul  1 Test program (I hope the formatting stays sane!):kH ------------------------------------------------------------------------         .IDENT  /V1-001/ ;e( ; 001   Oct-2001        PB      Creation-         .LIBRARY        "SYS$LIBRARY:LIB.MLB"   0         .PSECT  TST_Q2F_D,WRT,NOEXE,PIC,SHR,QUAD   FINDESC:        .WORD   4 %                 .BYTE   DSC$K_DTYPE_Qy%                 .BYTE   DSC$K_CLASS_St                 .ADDRESS FRACT FOUTDESC:       .WORD   4u%                 .BYTE   DSC$K_DTYPE_Fr%                 .BYTE   DSC$K_CLASS_Sp                 .ADDRESS FOUTd FOUT:           .FLOAT FRACT:          .QUADa LOUT:           .LONGi  &        .PSECT TST_Q2F_C,EXE,NOWRT,LONG    6         .CALL_ENTRY     MAX_ARGS=12, HOME_ARGS=TRUE, -B                         INPUT=<R2,R3,R4,R5,R6,R7,R8,R9,R10,R11>, -E                         PRESERVE=<R2,R3,R4,R5,R6,R7,R8,R9,R10,R11>, - %                         LABEL=TST_Q2F  ;++e ; TEST QUAD TO FLOAT CONVERSION  ;--m   10$:8         ADDL    #12345,FRACT              ; add constant                      PUSHAL  FOUTDESC                 PUSHAL  FINDESCuJ                 CALLS   #2,G^LIB$CVT_DX_DX            ; convert to f-float  G         BLBS    R0,100$                   ; set place to break on error          BRW     10$f 100$:0D         CVTRFL  FOUT,LOUT                 ; convert f-float to .long         CMPL    FRACT, LOUT          BEQLU   10$cI         BRW     10$                             ; Only gets here on errore             .END    TST_Q2FiV --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  
 Debug output:   2 DBG> SET BR %LI 133 DO (EX/D LOUT; EX/D FRACT; GO) DBG> G break at TST_Q2F\%LINE 133    133:         BRW     10$b TST_Q2F\LOUT:   16801546 TST_Q2F\FRACT:  16801545 break at TST_Q2F\%LINE 133    133:         BRW     10$e TST_Q2F\LOUT:   16826236 TST_Q2F\FRACT:  16826235 break at TST_Q2F\%LINE 133    133:         BRW     10$a TST_Q2F\LOUT:   16850926 TST_Q2F\FRACT:  16850925 break at TST_Q2F\%LINE 133    133:         BRW     10$a TST_Q2F\LOUT:   16875616 TST_Q2F\FRACT:  16875615 break at TST_Q2F\%LINE 133    133:         BRW     10$e TST_Q2F\LOUT:   16900306 TST_Q2F\FRACT:  16900305 break at TST_Q2F\%LINE 133    133:         BRW     10$r TST_Q2F\LOUT:   16924996 TST_Q2F\FRACT:  16924995 break at TST_Q2F\%LINE 133    133:         BRW     10$f TST_Q2F\LOUT:   16949686 TST_Q2F\FRACT:  16949685 break at TST_Q2F\%LINE 133    133:         BRW     10$.          ' ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **u  D ********************************************************************A This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryaA user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may alsor= be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,i7 forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsuB attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleaseA notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it fromR
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The sender therefore does noto> accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context of> this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.  C Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and w> are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office < through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly @ indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so 2 bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:43:03 +0300s" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>+ Subject: Re: Memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1 ?e& Message-ID: <3F406767.FFE465EB@hp.com>  	 Hi Keith,i  R The increase in commited paging file usage is a cosmetic bug. The commited counter is not beingS updated when some pages are being released. While the problem is annoying it has no  harm.u  : Please conmtact your local support center to obtain a fix.   Regards,  	 Guy Pelegs OpenVMS Engineeringd   Keith Brown wrote:  	 > Hi all,a >aM > I seem to have a memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1.  The main issue is that freelM > memory is shrinking and Total committed paging file usage is growing. ThesetP > trend are continuing after about 3 weeks of uptime. I have been unable to findQ > a process which seems to be responsible for this. It really only takes a couple M > of days to reach a typical user load on this system after reboot but memoryeO > resources continue to dwindle. Eventually processes start to die because theydP > have exceeded process quotas(I've been unable to determine which one).  I haveL > bumped up pgflquota and enqueue limit (These were specified in the startupP > command file rather than using the UAF setting). I have listed the output fromP > SHOW MEM and PRODUCT SHOW HISTORY so you can see my patch history below. ThereQ > is ECO for 7.3-1 that say is fixes increased pagefile usage from PIPE and SPAWNiP > command but this really doesn't apply to me (I don't think). I didn't have any@ > issues like this when I was running 7.1-2 Any recommendations? >t > XLIMS>$ sho memhB >               System Memory Resources on 17-AUG-2003 14:02:18.73 >rN > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    ModifiedN >   Main Memory (1024.00MB)         131072        5750      113847       11475 >aD > Extended File Cache  (Time of last reset: 29-JUL-2003 09:50:15.13)N >   Allocated (MBytes)           13.43    Maximum size (MBytes)         512.00N >   Free (MBytes)                 0.00    Minimum size (MBytes)           3.12O >   In use (MBytes)              13.43    Percentage Read I/Os              15% O >   Read hit rate                   93%   Write hit rate                     0%nN >   Read I/O count             5125637    Write I/O count             27265066N >   Read hit count             4802801    Write hit count                    0N >   Reads bypassing cache            0    Writes bypassing cache      23892313N >   Files cached open              565    Files cached closed              177N >   Vols in Full XFC mode            0    Vols in VIOC Compatible mode      10N >   Vols in No Caching mode          0    Vols in Perm. No Caching mode      0 >sN > Granularity Hint Regions (pages):  Total        Free      In Use    ReleasedN >   Execlet code region               1024           0         910         114N >   Execlet data region                416           0         416           0N >   S0/S1 Executive data region        853           0         853           0N >   Resident image code region        1024           0         866         158 >uN > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     SwappedN >   Process Entry Slots                300         181         108          11N >   Balance Set Slots                  298         192         106           0 >lN > Dynamic Memory Usage:              Total        Free      In Use     LargestN >   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory (MB)      6.60        0.91        5.69        0.15N >   Paged Dynamic Memory    (MB)      3.79        1.81        1.98        1.78B >   Lock Manager Dyn Memory (KB)    832.00       75.25      756.75 >rB > Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        PeakB >   32-bit System Space Windows (S0/S1)              6           6B >   64-bit System Space Windows (S2)                 0           0B >   Physical pages locked by buffer objects          6           6 >hN > Memory Reservations (pages):       Group    Reserved      In Use        TypeN >   ORA_LIMS_SGA                    SYSGBL          26          26  Page TableN >   ORA_LIMS_SGA                    SYSGBL       26112       20028   AllocatedB >   Total (204.20 MBytes reserved)               26138       20054 >eN > Swap File Usage (8KB pages):                   Index        Free        Size+ >   DISK$ALPHASYS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SWAPFILE.SYShN >                                                    1       30544       31248 >rN > Paging File Usage (8KB pages):                 Index        Free        Size% >   DISK$LOGS:[SYSEXE]PAGEFILE2.SYS;1rN >                                                  253       56110      124992+ >   DISK$ALPHASYS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYSON >                                                  254       56096      124992 > N >   Total size of all paging files:                                     249984N >   Total committed paging file usage:                                  412315 >tP > Of the physical pages in use, 5405 pages are permanently allocated to OpenVMS.	 > XLIMS>$i >a  > XLIMS>$ product show history *R > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- --------------------K > PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIMEpR > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- --------------------R > DEC AXPVMS TCPIP_ECO V5.3-182       Patch       Install     21-MAR-2003 10:56:33R > DEC VMS AMDS V7.3-1A                Full LP     Install     21-MAR-2003 09:03:45R > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_F11X V1.0         Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46R > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI V1.0   Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46R > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_RMS V2.0          Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46R > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_SYS V3.0          Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46R > CPQ AXPVMS CDSA V1.0-2              Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.3-1   Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-1           Platform    Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.3-18            Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3-1               Oper System Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1-2   Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-4           Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1-2           Platform    Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1-2               Oper System Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.1-12              Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:29:54R > DEC AXPVMS UCXECO_41_9 V9.0         Patch       Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:29:54R > DEC AXPVMS AMDS V7.1                Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:26:04R > DEC AXPVMS SWCC V2.1-133            Full LP     Install     14-JUN-2000 14:41:28R > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1-2   Full LP     Install     19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1-2           Platform    Install     19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1-2               Oper System Install     19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1     Full LP     Remove      19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1             Platform    Remove      19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1                 Oper System Remove      19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS FORRTL V7.1-1            Full LP     Install     28-APR-1999 09:05:00R > DEC AXPVMS FORTRAN V7.1-1           Full LP     Install     28-APR-1999 09:05:00R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 17:30:00R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 17:02:17R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Remove      26-MAR-1999 16:57:26R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 16:47:11R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Remove      26-MAR-1999 16:43:36R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 16:31:24R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     10-FEB-1999 14:12:26R > DEC AXPVMS AMDS V7.1                Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 17:30:08R > DEC AXPVMS UCXECO_41_9 V9.0         Patch       Install     09-FEB-1999 15:14:13R > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1     Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 12:55:28R > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-4           Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42R > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1             Platform    Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42R > DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.1-12              Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42R > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1                 Oper System Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42R > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- -------------------- >- > Thanks in advance, > Keith1 >: > --
 > Keith Brown<   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:43:22 +0300-" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>+ Subject: Re: Memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1 ? & Message-ID: <3F40677A.2B75C12F@hp.com>  	 Hi Keith,n  R The increase in commited paging file usage is a cosmetic bug. The commited counter is not beingS updated when some pages are being released. While the problem is annoying it has no- harm.-  : Please conmtact your local support center to obtain a fix.   Regards,  	 Guy Pelegy OpenVMS Engineeringc       Keith Brown wrote:  	 > Hi all,  >sM > I seem to have a memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1.  The main issue is that free M > memory is shrinking and Total committed paging file usage is growing. ThesecP > trend are continuing after about 3 weeks of uptime. I have been unable to findQ > a process which seems to be responsible for this. It really only takes a couplenM > of days to reach a typical user load on this system after reboot but memory O > resources continue to dwindle. Eventually processes start to die because they P > have exceeded process quotas(I've been unable to determine which one).  I haveL > bumped up pgflquota and enqueue limit (These were specified in the startupP > command file rather than using the UAF setting). I have listed the output fromP > SHOW MEM and PRODUCT SHOW HISTORY so you can see my patch history below. ThereQ > is ECO for 7.3-1 that say is fixes increased pagefile usage from PIPE and SPAWN.P > command but this really doesn't apply to me (I don't think). I didn't have any@ > issues like this when I was running 7.1-2 Any recommendations? >  > XLIMS>$ sho mem7B >               System Memory Resources on 17-AUG-2003 14:02:18.73 >"N > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    ModifiedN >   Main Memory (1024.00MB)         131072        5750      113847       11475 >cD > Extended File Cache  (Time of last reset: 29-JUL-2003 09:50:15.13)N >   Allocated (MBytes)           13.43    Maximum size (MBytes)         512.00N >   Free (MBytes)                 0.00    Minimum size (MBytes)           3.12O >   In use (MBytes)              13.43    Percentage Read I/Os              15% O >   Read hit rate                   93%   Write hit rate                     0%oN >   Read I/O count             5125637    Write I/O count             27265066N >   Read hit count             4802801    Write hit count                    0N >   Reads bypassing cache            0    Writes bypassing cache      23892313N >   Files cached open              565    Files cached closed              177N >   Vols in Full XFC mode            0    Vols in VIOC Compatible mode      10N >   Vols in No Caching mode          0    Vols in Perm. No Caching mode      0 >eN > Granularity Hint Regions (pages):  Total        Free      In Use    ReleasedN >   Execlet code region               1024           0         910         114N >   Execlet data region                416           0         416           0N >   S0/S1 Executive data region        853           0         853           0N >   Resident image code region        1024           0         866         158 >-N > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     SwappedN >   Process Entry Slots                300         181         108          11N >   Balance Set Slots                  298         192         106           0 > N > Dynamic Memory Usage:              Total        Free      In Use     LargestN >   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory (MB)      6.60        0.91        5.69        0.15N >   Paged Dynamic Memory    (MB)      3.79        1.81        1.98        1.78B >   Lock Manager Dyn Memory (KB)    832.00       75.25      756.75 >tB > Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        PeakB >   32-bit System Space Windows (S0/S1)              6           6B >   64-bit System Space Windows (S2)                 0           0B >   Physical pages locked by buffer objects          6           6 >tN > Memory Reservations (pages):       Group    Reserved      In Use        TypeN >   ORA_LIMS_SGA                    SYSGBL          26          26  Page TableN >   ORA_LIMS_SGA                    SYSGBL       26112       20028   AllocatedB >   Total (204.20 MBytes reserved)               26138       20054 > N > Swap File Usage (8KB pages):                   Index        Free        Size+ >   DISK$ALPHASYS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SWAPFILE.SYS N >                                                    1       30544       31248 > N > Paging File Usage (8KB pages):                 Index        Free        Size% >   DISK$LOGS:[SYSEXE]PAGEFILE2.SYS;17N >                                                  253       56110      124992+ >   DISK$ALPHASYS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS N >                                                  254       56096      124992 >xN >   Total size of all paging files:                                     249984N >   Total committed paging file usage:                                  412315 >sP > Of the physical pages in use, 5405 pages are permanently allocated to OpenVMS.	 > XLIMS>$f >d  > XLIMS>$ product show history *R > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- --------------------K > PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIMEoR > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- --------------------R > DEC AXPVMS TCPIP_ECO V5.3-182       Patch       Install     21-MAR-2003 10:56:33R > DEC VMS AMDS V7.3-1A                Full LP     Install     21-MAR-2003 09:03:45R > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_F11X V1.0         Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46R > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI V1.0   Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46R > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_RMS V2.0          Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46R > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_SYS V3.0          Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46R > CPQ AXPVMS CDSA V1.0-2              Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.3-1   Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-1           Platform    Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.3-18            Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3-1               Oper System Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1-2   Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-4           Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1-2           Platform    Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1-2               Oper System Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26R > DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.1-12              Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:29:54R > DEC AXPVMS UCXECO_41_9 V9.0         Patch       Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:29:54R > DEC AXPVMS AMDS V7.1                Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:26:04R > DEC AXPVMS SWCC V2.1-133            Full LP     Install     14-JUN-2000 14:41:28R > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1-2   Full LP     Install     19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1-2           Platform    Install     19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1-2               Oper System Install     19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1     Full LP     Remove      19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1             Platform    Remove      19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1                 Oper System Remove      19-MAY-1999 13:00:14R > DEC AXPVMS FORRTL V7.1-1            Full LP     Install     28-APR-1999 09:05:00R > DEC AXPVMS FORTRAN V7.1-1           Full LP     Install     28-APR-1999 09:05:00R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 17:30:00R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 17:02:17R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Remove      26-MAR-1999 16:57:26R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 16:47:11R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Remove      26-MAR-1999 16:43:36R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 16:31:24R > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     10-FEB-1999 14:12:26R > DEC AXPVMS AMDS V7.1                Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 17:30:08R > DEC AXPVMS UCXECO_41_9 V9.0         Patch       Install     09-FEB-1999 15:14:13R > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1     Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 12:55:28R > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-4           Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42R > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1             Platform    Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42R > DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.1-12              Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42R > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1                 Oper System Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42R > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- -------------------- >l > Thanks in advance, > Keithy >  > --
 > Keith Brownh   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2003 09:09:28 -0700+ From: seanobanion@attbi.com (Sean O'Banion)d+ Subject: Re: Memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1 ?p= Message-ID: <f883d5a4.0308180809.2fd370ee@posting.google.com>    Guy,  B Just to make sure I understand, AMDS or Availability Manager would display this correctly?     
 Sean O'Baniony  P Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in message news:<3F406761.A14537E7@hp.com>... > Hi Keith,- > T > The increase in commited paging file usage is a cosmetic bug. The commited counter > is not beingU > updated when some pages are being released. While the problem is annoying it has noD > harm.e > < > Please conmtact your local support center to obtain a fix. > 
 > Regards, >  > Guy Pelegp > OpenVMS Engineerings >  > Keith Brown wrote: >  > > Hi all,I > >sO > > I seem to have a memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1.  The main issue is that freePO > > memory is shrinking and Total committed paging file usage is growing. TheseeR > > trend are continuing after about 3 weeks of uptime. I have been unable to findS > > a process which seems to be responsible for this. It really only takes a coupleeO > > of days to reach a typical user load on this system after reboot but memory0Q > > resources continue to dwindle. Eventually processes start to die because they:R > > have exceeded process quotas(I've been unable to determine which one).  I haveN > > bumped up pgflquota and enqueue limit (These were specified in the startupR > > command file rather than using the UAF setting). I have listed the output fromR > > SHOW MEM and PRODUCT SHOW HISTORY so you can see my patch history below. ThereS > > is ECO for 7.3-1 that say is fixes increased pagefile usage from PIPE and SPAWNeR > > command but this really doesn't apply to me (I don't think). I didn't have anyB > > issues like this when I was running 7.1-2 Any recommendations? > >l > > XLIMS>$ sho memcD > >               System Memory Resources on 17-AUG-2003 14:02:18.73 > > P > > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    ModifiedP > >   Main Memory (1024.00MB)         131072        5750      113847       11475 > >dF > > Extended File Cache  (Time of last reset: 29-JUL-2003 09:50:15.13)P > >   Allocated (MBytes)           13.43    Maximum size (MBytes)         512.00P > >   Free (MBytes)                 0.00    Minimum size (MBytes)           3.12Q > >   In use (MBytes)              13.43    Percentage Read I/Os              15%xQ > >   Read hit rate                   93%   Write hit rate                     0% P > >   Read I/O count             5125637    Write I/O count             27265066P > >   Read hit count             4802801    Write hit count                    0P > >   Reads bypassing cache            0    Writes bypassing cache      23892313P > >   Files cached open              565    Files cached closed              177P > >   Vols in Full XFC mode            0    Vols in VIOC Compatible mode      10P > >   Vols in No Caching mode          0    Vols in Perm. No Caching mode      0 > > P > > Granularity Hint Regions (pages):  Total        Free      In Use    ReleasedP > >   Execlet code region               1024           0         910         114P > >   Execlet data region                416           0         416           0P > >   S0/S1 Executive data region        853           0         853           0P > >   Resident image code region        1024           0         866         158 > >IP > > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     SwappedP > >   Process Entry Slots                300         181         108          11P > >   Balance Set Slots                  298         192         106           0 > > P > > Dynamic Memory Usage:              Total        Free      In Use     LargestP > >   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory (MB)      6.60        0.91        5.69        0.15P > >   Paged Dynamic Memory    (MB)      3.79        1.81        1.98        1.78D > >   Lock Manager Dyn Memory (KB)    832.00       75.25      756.75 > >nD > > Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        PeakD > >   32-bit System Space Windows (S0/S1)              6           6D > >   64-bit System Space Windows (S2)                 0           0D > >   Physical pages locked by buffer objects          6           6 > >hP > > Memory Reservations (pages):       Group    Reserved      In Use        TypeP > >   ORA_LIMS_SGA                    SYSGBL          26          26  Page TableP > >   ORA_LIMS_SGA                    SYSGBL       26112       20028   AllocatedD > >   Total (204.20 MBytes reserved)               26138       20054 > >hP > > Swap File Usage (8KB pages):                   Index        Free        Size- > >   DISK$ALPHASYS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SWAPFILE.SYSeP > >                                                    1       30544       31248 > >gP > > Paging File Usage (8KB pages):                 Index        Free        Size' > >   DISK$LOGS:[SYSEXE]PAGEFILE2.SYS;1.P > >                                                  253       56110      124992- > >   DISK$ALPHASYS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS P > >                                                  254       56096      124992 > >eP > >   Total size of all paging files:                                     249984P > >   Total committed paging file usage:                                  412315 > >rR > > Of the physical pages in use, 5405 pages are permanently allocated to OpenVMS. > > XLIMS>$  > >n" > > XLIMS>$ product show history *T > > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- --------------------M > > PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIMEET > > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- --------------------T > > DEC AXPVMS TCPIP_ECO V5.3-182       Patch       Install     21-MAR-2003 10:56:33T > > DEC VMS AMDS V7.3-1A                Full LP     Install     21-MAR-2003 09:03:45T > > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_F11X V1.0         Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46T > > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI V1.0   Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46T > > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_RMS V2.0          Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46T > > DEC AXPVMS VMS731_SYS V3.0          Patch       Install     18-MAR-2003 12:57:46T > > CPQ AXPVMS CDSA V1.0-2              Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26T > > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.3-1   Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26T > > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26T > > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3-1           Platform    Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26T > > DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.3-18            Full LP     Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26T > > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3-1               Oper System Install     18-MAR-2003 12:48:26T > > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1-2   Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26T > > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-4           Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26T > > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1-2           Platform    Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26T > > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1-2               Oper System Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:48:26T > > DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.1-12              Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:29:54T > > DEC AXPVMS UCXECO_41_9 V9.0         Patch       Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:29:54T > > DEC AXPVMS AMDS V7.1                Full LP     Remove      18-MAR-2003 12:26:04T > > DEC AXPVMS SWCC V2.1-133            Full LP     Install     14-JUN-2000 14:41:28T > > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1-2   Full LP     Install     19-MAY-1999 13:00:14T > > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1-2           Platform    Install     19-MAY-1999 13:00:14T > > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1-2               Oper System Install     19-MAY-1999 13:00:14T > > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1     Full LP     Remove      19-MAY-1999 13:00:14T > > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1             Platform    Remove      19-MAY-1999 13:00:14T > > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1                 Oper System Remove      19-MAY-1999 13:00:14T > > DEC AXPVMS FORRTL V7.1-1            Full LP     Install     28-APR-1999 09:05:00T > > DEC AXPVMS FORTRAN V7.1-1           Full LP     Install     28-APR-1999 09:05:00T > > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 17:30:00T > > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 17:02:17T > > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Remove      26-MAR-1999 16:57:26T > > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 16:47:11T > > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Remove      26-MAR-1999 16:43:36T > > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     26-MAR-1999 16:31:24T > > DEC AXPVMS POSIX V3.0               Full LP     Install     10-FEB-1999 14:12:26T > > DEC AXPVMS AMDS V7.1                Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 17:30:08T > > DEC AXPVMS UCXECO_41_9 V9.0         Patch       Install     09-FEB-1999 15:14:13T > > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1     Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 12:55:28T > > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-4           Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42T > > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1             Platform    Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42T > > DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.1-12              Full LP     Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42T > > DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.1                 Oper System Install     09-FEB-1999 12:33:42T > > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- -------------------- > >y > > Thanks in advance,	 > > Keith  > >t > > -- > > Keith Browno   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:23:06 +0100 ( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>+ Subject: Re: Memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1 ? 9 Message-ID: <bhqvbj$248i8$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>r  A "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-@-alum-mit-edu-nospam> wrote in message8* news:vk40b.10$_U1.13103@news.uswest.net...2 > "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> wrote in message8 > news:AbZ%a.110107$6a3.3740434@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...K > > When you look at that sho mem/pool/full.  Check to see if your NPAGEDYNo isJ > > large enough at boot time.  I.E. is the initial size the current size? > >  > > Mike Naime >s > My stats for this region are:r > 1 > Nonpaged Dynamic Memory      (Lists + Variable)eD >   Current Size (MB)                11.39   Current Size (Pagelets) 23328RD >   Initial Size (MB)                 8.67   Initial Size (Pagelets) 17760 D >   Maximum Size (MB)                39.37   Maximum Size (Pagelets) 80640i> >   Free Space (MB)                   5.11   Space in Use (MB) 6.27D >   Largest Var Block (KB)          346.06   Smallest Var Block (By) 64.00rF >   Number of Free Blocks            24013   Free Blocks LEQU 64 bytes 6944A >   Free Blocks on Lookasides        10982   Lookaside Space (MB)t 1.38 > 9 > Do I need to do anything to improve system performance?r > - Not really, but there are things to consider.t< NPP is *DESIGNED* to be able to grow as the demand requires.L (very) early in the boot sequence VMS reserves a contiguous chunk of addressK space (PTE's) (all of NPAGEVIR) for NPP, then maps enough of those PTE's toMI a physically contiguous chunk of memory to satisfy the initial (NPAGEDYN)  requirement.I If NPP needs to expand a page is *STOLEN* from the freelist and linked totJ the first free PTE above the in-use pages in NPP.  On non-NUMA systems theK physical access time to this new page is no different to that for any other J NPP page. However, some time was consumed when NPP was expanded, and thereK could be further time consumed working around what now amounts to a hole inN the PFN database.,  L The general recommendation is that if NPP grows by more than about 10% afterB every reboot, set the initial size to match what the system wants.   -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/J I have been modifying the dhtml structure on my website with the intent to$ make it more cross-browser friendly.K It is now known to work in Mozilla and MSie from V4 onwards. It is believed L to work on Netscape4 and to degrade gracefully on older browsers. I have notF tried Lynx or Opera, or indeed anything other than Netscape/Mozilla orK Microsoft browsers. I would be grateful if anyone is willing to take a look % at it and advise me of what they see.g     ---o& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:16:10 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-@-alum-mit-edu-nospam>+ Subject: Re: Memory leak in OpenVMS 7.3-1 ? 0 Message-ID: <vk40b.10$_U1.13103@news.uswest.net>  0 "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> wrote in message6 news:AbZ%a.110107$6a3.3740434@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...L > When you look at that sho mem/pool/full.  Check to see if your NPAGEDYN isH > large enough at boot time.  I.E. is the initial size the current size? >T > Mike Naime   My stats for this region are:S  / Nonpaged Dynamic Memory      (Lists + Variable)rL   Current Size (MB)                11.39   Current Size (Pagelets)     23328L   Initial Size (MB)                 8.67   Initial Size (Pagelets)     17760L   Maximum Size (MB)                39.37   Maximum Size (Pagelets)     80640L   Free Space (MB)                   5.11   Space in Use (MB)            6.27L   Largest Var Block (KB)          346.06   Smallest Var Block (By)     64.00L   Number of Free Blocks            24013   Free Blocks LEQU 64 bytes    6944L   Free Blocks on Lookasides        10982   Lookaside Space (MB)         1.38  7 Do I need to do anything to improve system performance?r   Thanks
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:28:30 -0600s6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-@-alum-mit-edu-nospam>A Subject: Overlapped IO with redirected SYS$OUTPUT for Sub Programi0 Message-ID: <zg60b.18$_U1.27416@news.uswest.net>  D Does anyone have a code snippet (C or BASIC) showing how to redirectE SYS$OUTPUT for a sub-program called by LIB$SPAWN and have the callingfI program continue processing.  I can redirect the output and then open the L intermediate file after the sub-program completes, but I want to process the; sub-program's output in parallel to it creating the output.H   Heres my current code:  #    ! CREATE UNIQUE OUTPUT FILE NAMEuD    ZSTR = SEG$(JOB_FILE, INSTR(1, JOB_FILE, "]")+1, LEN(JOB_FILE)-4)J    ZSTR = LEFT$(EDIT$(ZSTR + "_" + PROCESS_NAME + "_" + STR$(TIME(0)), 2), 31)*,    ZSTR = "WA$DATA:[WA.ERR]" + ZSTR + ".LIS"      ! modify job_file for "RUN "-    JOB_FILE = "RUN " + JOB_FILEu    ! RUN PROGRAM/    RETVAL = LIB$SPAWN(JOB_FILE,,ZSTR,,,,,,,,,,):    IF RETVAL = SS$_NORMAL      THENF       RETVAL = IPSEND(RESPONSE_HEAD(numSUCCESS, strSUCCESS, CMD_LINE))       MSG_BUF = "",       OPEN ZSTR FOR INPUT AS FILE #P2.CHL, &0          ORGANIZATION SEQUENTIAL, RECORDTYPE ANY       WHEN ERROR INr          TEMP = """          WHILE RETVAL = SS$_NORMAL              LINPUT #P2.CHL, TEMP&             RETVAL = IPSEND(CR + TEMP)             TEMP = ""t
          NEXT 	       USEa       END WHEN       MSG_BUF = TEMP       CLOSE #P2.CHL     ELSEeJ       MSG_BUF = ERROR_MSG(numSYSTEM_ERROR, strSYSTEM_ERROR + STR$(RETVAL),  CMD_LINE, USERID, IGNORE_ERRORS)	    END IFt    WHEN ERROR IN       KILL ZSTRb    USE    END WHEN 	    RETURNh  K Since some of our sub-programs take quite a while to run, I'd like to start 8 processing their results while they continue processing.   Thanks, 
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Aug 2003 08:42:34 -07000 From: martin.johnson@mercer.com (Martin Johnson) Subject: PERL/SWISH.= Message-ID: <5d911f55.0308180742.58868f84@posting.google.com>p  @ I have SWISH-E running on CSWS v1.2, vms v7.3-1. The Perl scriptC SWISH-CGI.PL (unmodded except for environment settings) returns theTD correct search results within IE but the previous search results areA appended in the output display.  If Apache is stop/started then ao@ valid search list is returned for the initial run.  In all otherF respects SWISH/Perl/CSWS is working fine, i.e. the results are correct and prepended with valid URLs.  C Why are the search results appended and not cleared? Obvioulsy they C are being cached and not flushed for each search but i cannot traceo
 the fault.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:14:25 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>( Subject: Re: Precompiled zip for VMS 6.28 Message-ID: <inu1kvk5rrn7sq1edfvjvdhnor8u96ul0t@4ax.com>  M On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:21:21 +0200, Leif Holmgren <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:   I >Problem: I can't find any compiles zip, tar or such software for VMS on  G >the internet. I could settle for a .OLD that I linked myself. An even  I >better solution would be vms-compatible backup and library programs for  	 >windows.  > E >Any suggestions, or information on where I can find anything useful.    The version of ZIP and UNZIP ats  . 	http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html  P include pre-compiled binaries for OpenVMS and a link procedure that will work onG V5.0 and higher. (In fact, by "manually" LINKing the VAX C-based objectlA libraries, I have successfully linked and used them on VMS V4.7.)e  M I can't give you a more specific URL because at the moment I can't get to the 6 web site, probably due to an internal network issue...I -------------------------------------------------------------------------oI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comvI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)iI -------------------------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:04:02 +0200 (MET)c9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ( Subject: running a news SERVER under VMS; Message-ID: <01KZLNXMJ81SAM7Y4A@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  6 Does anyone here actually run a news server under VMS?   If so:  % What news-server software do you run?   . How much time is needed for the initial setup?  0 How much time is needed for routine maintenance?  - What versions of VMS is this compatible with?K   Does it run on VAX and ALPHA?.  I What hardware resources (CPU, memory, disk space, network bandwidth) are    needed for successful operation?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 03:12:46 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>O Subject: Re: running simh VAX simulator with some other microcode than default?:. Message-ID: <3F40442E.23784.747B0D4@localhost>  + On 17 Aug 2003 at 20:52, Keith Brown wrote: S > Do you know by chance, has anyone tried to run a Fisher Controls OWP DCS console 10 > on top of VAX ELAN on the CHARON-VAX emulator?  - I don't think so, but it should be possible..   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com:   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:01:25 GMTE2 From: "Robert Boers" <Robert.boers@softresint.com>O Subject: Re: running simh VAX simulator with some other microcode than default?.* Message-ID: <3f40b202$1@news.deckpoint.ch>  H We have a number of customers running VAX ELAN on CHARON-VAX/Industrial.I I believe MDM (the MicroVAX Diagnostic Monitor) uses VAX ELAN as well; weg: use MDM to run the VAX hardware diagnostics on CHARON-VAX.  I Does the Fisher Controls OWP DCS console require any special hardware? If.+ not, I see no reason why it should not run.o   Regards, Robert Boers-! Software Resources International.-    5 "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message ( news:3F40442E.23784.747B0D4@localhost...- > On 17 Aug 2003 at 20:52, Keith Brown wrote:-L > > Do you know by chance, has anyone tried to run a Fisher Controls OWP DCS console 2 > > on top of VAX ELAN on the CHARON-VAX emulator? >-/ > I don't think so, but it should be possible..2 >  > --Stan QuayleX > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671a3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147V? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com2 >: >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:15:24 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: VMS License audits40 Message-ID: <3F40F9D0.9F39DC92@blueyonder.co.uk>   Nic Clews wrote: >  > Rolona wrote:  > >X$ > > Any contact details for a quote? > >n > I > I had a little bit of feedback on this line, send me a private email to & > the address at the bottom of my sig. > D > I should disclaim here, that there may well also be others on thisH > newsgroup capable and as not to show favouritism, make yourself known!  J I went thru this exercise for a previous client in 97-98, pre Compaq days.J I would dispute that Digital/Compaq/HP always know exactly what the client has purchased.  I Rolona,  please contact me via email if interested in discussing further.8! I am currently (still) available.S   regards  --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:21:35 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>_* Subject: Re: Website Based on ASP and VMS.' Message-ID: <3F40EEFF.1060404@MMaz.com>1  
 dooley wrote:u  e >omribi@zahav.net.il (Omri) wrote in message news:<9fe63810.0308161159.365d3ef@posting.google.com>...  >  N >0 >>Hi, ' >>I have VMS 6.2 with some application. N >>I want to create intranet based on Windows2000/IIS5 Server and ASP/VBSCRIPT.K >>I Need this intranet to read/update information from the VMS Application. 2 >>The VMS Application using DBF files as Database.K >>I Think that Ericom have the soultion for that (PowerTerm Host Publisher)  >>Someone know another options?. >>     >>; >On your IIS server you need to install an odbc driver and V: >define an odbc datasource that points to the vms machine. >0C I need little product is ConnX by SolutionsIQ, it provides an ODBC 8G interface to VMS for RMS, the 'ol Codasyl DBMS, and others...  Yes, it t6 still is dependent on a Windozes machine, but works...   Barry    -- L  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        S   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:17:26 GMT 6 From: Jeffrey Coffield <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com>* Subject: Re: Website Based on ASP and VMS.4 Message-ID: <3F40CF6B.2030805@digitalsynergyinc.com>   Omri wrote:E > Hi, ' > I have VMS 6.2 with some application.tN > I want to create intranet based on Windows2000/IIS5 Server and ASP/VBSCRIPT.K > I Need this intranet to read/update information from the VMS Application. 2 > The VMS Application using DBF files as Database.K > I Think that Ericom have the soultion for that (PowerTerm Host Publisher)  > Someone know another options?u > 	 > Thanks,l > Omri.F  H We use FastCGI to connect from a front end server (linux/apache) to VMS E applications. Go to www.digitalsynergyinc.com and follow the FastCGI  ! link for more info if interested.2   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.456 ************************