1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 21 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 462       Contents:2 Re: 16 years experience in VMS - looking for a job2 Re: 16 years experience in VMS - looking for a job Re: 306GB drives!  Re: 306GB drives!  Re: 306GB drives!  Re: AntiVirus for OpenVMS   Re: decw$mwm change process name Re: DSSI problem$ Re: HP's $200MM advertising campaign$ Re: HP's $200MM advertising campaign London Transport moving off VMS # Re: London Transport moving off VMS # Re: London Transport moving off VMS # Re: London Transport moving off VMS < Re: Overlapped IO with redirected SYS$OUTPUT for Sub Program  Re: Querying UAF from MS Windows  Re: Querying UAF from MS Windows Re: SFTP RE: Strange programming problem ! Re: Tcl/Tk 8.3 or 8.4 for OpenVMS + volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10 / Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 1 RE: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:23:37 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>; Subject: Re: 16 years experience in VMS - looking for a job / Message-ID: <3F449BCF.62A0024@blueyonder.co.uk>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > c > In article <NFuAZh9PyiQz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  > D > >       And an embarassing follow-up might run along the lines of: > > E > >       "You just lie on resumes but wouldn't lie if hired, right?"  > E > I knew someone who was hired as DP manager at a VMS shop some years A > back. He discovered the night operator was putting the required D > stickers on the backup tapes and moving from the "blank tape" rack@ > to the "backup tapes" rack without actually doing the backups. > A > Granted there should have been controls in place, but employees ' > who lie can be bad for your business.   D Agreed. However, today during one of the most frank discussions withA a supposedly reputable recruitment agency I have had for a while, J it was suggested to me (though not in so many words) that I lie on my CV. D When I pointed out that what had been suggested to me was lying the D comment was quickly retracted. They guy hadn't even managed to read C and comprehend the single paragraph introductory profile on my CV.     Nuff said?     --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:04:53 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>; Subject: Re: 16 years experience in VMS - looking for a job 0 Message-ID: <3F44A57B.895A3253@blueyonder.co.uk>   Steve Spires wrote:  >     > G > One thing I have heard through the grapevine is that certain possible H > employees search places like google on receipt of your CV as they feelD > they can get a good idea of your level of experience and knowledgeC > from the questions you pose and the answers you give etc. Whether G > that's a help or a hindrance I don't know. If you've ever slagged off - > previous employees it might be a problem...    J Conclusion, the recruitment process is biased towards lurkers not posters.  Y Great, you try and help out your fellow VMS users around the world in your precious spare I time for free nada not even a penny and get discriminated against for it. I Would Rob not get an interview if he was currently looking because of his 7 dodgy arithmetic :-) (recent posts in another thread) ?   M Is there anyone out there using VMS in the Bristol UK area? Gis a job please! 4 I can pay you (New Deal program has been activated).   regards    --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:09:05 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>  Subject: Re: 306GB drives!/ Message-ID: <vk9321kjug2e12@corp.supernews.com>    bob smith wrote:   > Perfect for Microsoft Bloat?  ' Don't be silly - not nearly big enough.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:47:31 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: 306GB drives!0 Message-ID: <3F44AF78.14D3611B@blueyonder.co.uk>   Roy Omond wrote: >  > bob smith wrote: >   > > Perfect for Microsoft Bloat? > ) > Don't be silly - not nearly big enough.   1 Nah, turn on disk compression and it shrinks down 1 to nothing, don't you know that Roy? Modern CPU's * can handle the compression easily, surely?   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 07:43:16 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: 306GB drives!= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0308210643.56f91f8f@posting.google.com>   h "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<%lj%a.93485$o27.2125405@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...; > when you have a system crash.  No 6+ hour performance hit M > from all the shadow copy merges.  One of the BIG complaints heard from some / > of our remote customers with LARGE databases.   E It is possible to minimize the pain of full-merge operations.  Having F done some research in this area recently, I thought it might be useful to post some of my findings: --------D How to mitigate the pain of full merges (until host-based mini-merge feature is available):  B If possible, use MSCP controllers (HSJxx, HSD30/40/50), which haveC Volume Shadowing Assists, including the Write History Logging which B allows mini-merges.  But if you had those, you wouldn't be reading this, so...    Avoid system crashes: 7 1) Take crash dumps, find root causes, install patches. E 2) Minimize the number of nodes in a cluster if possible, using fewer ? of more-powerful nodes instead of a lot of less-powerful nodes.   F Minimize the effect of crashes.  Don't mount shadowsets on nodes whichE don't need to access them -- then if the node crashes, it won't start  a merge on those shadowsets.  A Avoid disk I/Os.  Use caching in the host as much as possible, to B avoid having to do disk I/Os during a merge.  Enable XFC.  For RMS0 files, use Global Buffers.  Use database caches.  F Get merges over and done with as fast as possible.  (Don't prolong the pain.)C 1) By default, Shadowing will back off on merge I/Os in the face of D application I/Os, and it does so too readily with recent versions ofD VMS and modern fast disk and controller hardware. (7.3-2 does betterE in this regard).  Use SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_FACTOR[_DSAnnnn] logical names C to increase the speed of merges if your applications can stand it.  @ Default value is 200; try 400 initially and raise further if theA higher rate of merge I/Os don't adversely affect your application D performance.  Use higher values for performance-critical volumes, toA get their merges done quicker (more improvements in this area are A slated for future VMS versions).  Logical name values get checked D every 1,000 I/Os, so you can change this dynamically and observe the results.@ 2) Ensure that enough SHADOW_MAX_COPY SYSGEN parameter units areB available so merge threads can be in progress on all shadowsets atC once.  With insufficient values of SHADOW_MAX_COPY (and the default B value of 4 per node is often insufficient, especially after you'veB just lost one node due to the crash that started the merges in theF first place), a critical disk may have to wait to even start its merge5 operation until another shadowset finishes its merge. A 3) You're going to have to read ALL the data on ALL shadowsets to C complete a full merge. (This is all the physical space on the disk, @ not just the space allocated in the file system.)  This implies:E a) For faster merge completion times, it's better to have more merges ? going in parallel on smaller units than having just a few merge 9 operations on a few large units.  This, in turn, implies: @ i) Don't combine large disks into controller-based stripesets or@ RAID-5 arrays and then shadow those huge units.  Instead, shadowE individual disks (or even smaller partitions of a disk).  If you have D to re-combine these into larger volumes for use up at the VMS level,= do so with host-based RAID software, forming RAID 0+1 arrays. D ii) Interestingly, empirical tests suggest that dividing up a single@ large disk into 4 partitions and shadowing those 4 partitions inC parallel should allow merges of all 4 units in only 40% of the time D (i.e. about 2.5 times as fast) as merging the disk as a single wholeF unit.  Although the single disk head experiences seek contention amongF the 4 partitions, it's still much faster to complete the merge because  of the 4 parallel merge threads.B b) Don't use an entire disk if you don't need the space.  Yes, theC smallest disk you can buy new is 18 GB today, but you don't have to A use the entire space.  If you're using only 4 GB on a 36 GB disk, E you'll suffer while the other 32 GB gets merged.  Instead, create a 4 D GB partition and present that 4 GB volume to VMS.  (Note that if youB shadow multiple partitions on a Fibre Channel disk, you need to be running 7.3-1 or better.)   E The Shadowing full-merge thread does 127-block I/Os from start to end A of the disk, so read-ahead cache in controllers helps a lot, with ! close to 100% hit rates possible.   F Biggest adverse performance impact today seems to be on reads directedB to areas of the disk not yet passed over by the merge fence, sinceA those areas get re-merged for each and every I/O.  (Impact of the C merge thread itself seems to be lower, in my tests, perhaps because F disks and controllers are so much faster now than when Shadowing firstD came out, and the 127-block I/Os which seemed huge in the early daysC get handled in a flash with today's fast Fibre Channel interconects ? and 15K RPM disks, especially with caching in the controllers.)   C Try to place performance-critical files at the beginning of the LBN C space on the disk, so they are first to be passed over by the merge F fence.  Consider creating smaller partitions at the beginning of disksD for your performance-critical files.  On today's Zoned-bit Recording? disks, the first LBNs on the disk are the best-performing areas E anyway, with the highest areal bit density (putting a given amount of C data onto the fewest tracks to minimize seeks) and with the highest ) data transfer rates off the disk surface.   . More details are available in the presentation6 http://www2.openvms.org/kparris/s2003_volshad_perf.ppt  M > The EVA really is making it potentially possible to do away with shadowing. N > You do your backups and redundancy at the disk controller level.  Not at the > OS level.   B This strategy works fine until the controller [pair] fails, or theB datacenter in which the EVA is located is destroyed by a disaster.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 07:45:34 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>" Subject: Re: AntiVirus for OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <20030821074534.29616.qmail@gacracker.org>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  D On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> wrote:   <snip>  > >A long time ago at a previous job, I wrote another version ofD >checksum.exe.  It had the same interface, so you could swap one forG >the other in a command procedure, but mine did two checksums using two G >different polynomials, then combined them in the output value.  To get F >the same checksum out of the program you'd have to fool both checksumG >methods simultaneously.  That seemed kind of tricky to me at the time, E >but I'm not a math whiz so maybe I was wrong.  If anyone knows about ; >this sort of thing, I'd be happy to talk about it offline.   D Many open source packages are distributed with a detached PGP or GPGB signature. What is actually signed is a hash of the file(s).  HashH functions such as MD5 or SHA can be used easily but modifying a file andF having it produce the same hash is computationally unfeasible.  I haveK taken the MD5DIGEST.EXE routine out of the WASD web server and used this to D write a list of filenames and hashes to floppy (along with a copy of MD5DIGEST.EXE).      Doc. - --  F OpenVMS:    Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.F [New Key - Get via finger]                       http://vmsbox.cjb.net   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: N/A  @ iQEVAwUBP0P9cnzQ2lmQ+jlnAQGN5Af/XBESviEctXDTTqbwGpZ9guCBu91qvVgV@ ghFzxncHcQjCybbRYqIC1fW5BVi6uL9Tz0NFMZ4bJcB6XotcubS4v33VFEehkZEb@ 10QKWdWKXKOUa21kqiXnv8PLznFwih/UP4RdP7Pp2F+NetW0n5keu+cXnjdKrbDc@ fgi2LwoVu3i0BVIZy7dMO8Nh2/xiMX32Mb/9QBD6GtvR98MIUgEyKgXw0gXB0rkZ@ fEHFsVCEfO3yA4C5M4IOBzLVE3XNAquswL2CLpPatyIivQoASvWkTTzrXT0Ub7zR8 Jnh0v36gtOn6hTXfhAkf2xSGgyCOTA4OxCy+M7Nxn1CmgxJkr1p+9w== =6Mx4  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2003 05:55:39 GMT) From: rankin@pactechdata.com (Pat Rankin) ) Subject: Re: decw$mwm change process name / Message-ID: <20AUG200322553935@pactechdata.com>   / In article <bhqosv$d1r$1@newslocal.mitre.org>,\ 1  lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes... K > Two processes on the same VMS machine can only have the same name if they + > have different UIC "group" fields.  [...]   C      Different groups at the time they set the name.  It is easy to B get two processes in the same group with the same name if you haveC sufficient privilege to change one to a different UIC, set its name D to match another process in the original group, and then restore theB UIC.  Relying on unique names is not a general solution to process< recognition, although it does typically work ok in practice.  2                 Pat Rankin, rankin@pactechdata.com   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2003 16:19:59 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com> Subject: Re: DSSI problem 0 Message-ID: <slrnbk9s9f.u3.thierry@VENUS.Family>  8 In article <bhtbmv$f88$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews wrote: > Thierry Dussuet wrote: > ? >> Is the fuse in the terminators?  Or somewhere on the system?  > F > The fuse is somewhere on the system. In the Q bus cards, the fuse is@ > on the board. On 4000 200 and 300 systems it is on the console > interface panel. > D > I'm also incorrect about it being more likely the fuse will pop isH > DSSI is unterminated, it is less likely to work as its more fussy thanG > SCSI.  (from an ex DEC Field service). Plugging and unplugging to the % > live bus is what will pop the fuse.   F ok... the system was always shut down when I opened it, with the power cable plugged out.  D >> Hmm... here it is one with a largish window and a green LED.  ItsE >> light stays on the whole time, wherever I put it (on the 3 places)  > @ > You need a terminator for all the DSSI ports, they must all be
 > terminated.  > E > I don't recall your system now (and the article has dropped off our H > server) but you may find if you have three DSSI ports, one is DSSI busF > 0, the one with the internal drive, that needs to be terminated. TheG > other two are probably both bus 1, and with no devices on the bus you & > should get away with no termination.  G ok... the terminator is on Bus 0 and the green light is on. And there's 5 nothing on bus 1.  Here is how the system looks like:   +         +--------+--------+--------+------+ +         | DSSI 5 | DSSI 4 | DSSI 3 | TK70 | +         |        |        |        |      | +         |--+-----+--------+-+------+------+ >         | |                 |      |      |      * = DSSI port2         | |                 |   7  |      |      *+         |*|                 |   *  |      | +         |*|                 | 6 *  |      | +         |*|                 | * *  |      | +         | |                 | *    |      | +         | |                 | *    |      | +         | |                 |      |      | & 	  +-+-----------------+------+------+  E From these 3, number 7 has the terminator and is on Bus 0. I've taken C out the hard disk with the ID 3 to clean it, put it back in, and it D stopped working.  SHOW DSSI shows the Busses, with ID's 6 and 7, but
 nothing more. H So... if it isn't the terminators and not the fuse either... Do you have any ide what it could be?    Thierry    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:47:19 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>- Subject: Re: HP's $200MM advertising campaign ' Message-ID: <bi2m15$87v$1@lore.csc.com>    Jim Brankin wrote:I > Would it make sense to spend money advertising VMS at this time? Would  > > it not be better to wait until VMS for Itanium is released?    No.   I People are making corporate decisions now about what platform to deploy,  H and those plans are months and in some cases years in advance of "now", E and the physical deployment of those systems are well after the much  2 anticipated release has become production quality.  D In HP's defence, the latest batch of Itanium ads in the UK did list I OpenVMS as an operating system offering for the datacentre, but a little  2 education as to what OpenVMS is would not go amis.   Regards,   nclews at csc dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:56:59 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>- Subject: Re: HP's $200MM advertising campaign 0 Message-ID: <3F44DBE0.1858C924@blueyonder.co.uk>   Nic Clews wrote: >  > Jim Brankin wrote:J > > Would it make sense to spend money advertising VMS at this time? Would? > > it not be better to wait until VMS for Itanium is released?  >  > No.  > J > People are making corporate decisions now about what platform to deploy,I > and those plans are months and in some cases years in advance of "now", F > and the physical deployment of those systems are well after the much4 > anticipated release has become production quality. > E > In HP's defence, the latest batch of Itanium ads in the UK did list J > OpenVMS as an operating system offering for the datacentre, but a little4 > education as to what OpenVMS is would not go amis.  K Test Match Special were discussing the latest virus outbreak earlier today, M apparently the beeb got knobbled again today just a week after slammer chaos. Q I do have some idea of the business impact of such an infection on their network, X having worked there for several years. Not pretty, although they are good at containment once detection is infected.   O I sent them (TMS) an email with a brief description of our beloved disease free E VMS asking them to mention it. They are not supposed to mention brand H names, but I am sure they have mentioned Windows, if not by name then by implication, in the past.     U People need technology that is designed and built to work, not crash and get infected S like a sickly child. Mainstream non-tech society will think that control-alt-delete T crash of burn blue screen computing is all that is available unless told otherwise.   L However, until there is an independant VMS marketing group within HP with a U mandate and financial incentives to compete with other offerings from HP and others,  ( I can't see how things can turn around.    regards     > 
 > Regards, >  > nclews > at csc dot com   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:21:26 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>( Subject: London Transport moving off VMS0 Message-ID: <3F44A95C.B05A8302@blueyonder.co.uk>   Fellow VMS users,   J I have received information that would suggest that if you are planning to? visit London then you might consider sooner rather than later.    L London Transport are currently recruiting VMS ops (for peanuts, I would makeO a net loss if I relocated for these positions, shift work too). However, I did  5 hear that they are already planning the move off VMS.    You have been warned.    Other interesting reading:  ! Downed Windows ATM - the pictures ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11130   ( Nuclear power plant hit by Slammer virus) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11128   3 Microsoft cerebrates fifteen years of poor security ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11108 > (VMS is alluded to but not mentioned by name in this article).  1 So will HP's VMS, Unix support be outsourced too? ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11093 8 (A sad tale, but not to late to turn it around, surely).  : No point in starting to be a lurker this late in the game!     --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:22:53 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>, Subject: Re: London Transport moving off VMS0 Message-ID: <3F44E1F2.9921140B@blueyonder.co.uk>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > i > In article <3F44A95C.B05A8302@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:  > P > > London Transport are currently recruiting VMS ops (for peanuts, I would makeR > > a net loss if I relocated for these positions, shift work too). However, I did9 > > hear that they are already planning the move off VMS.  > J > In the same sense that the US government is planning economic recovery ?  9 :-), or HP is planning to operate a successful business!   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 09:58:02 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: London Transport moving off VMS3 Message-ID: <jOgr55hKvFgr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <3F44A95C.B05A8302@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:   N > London Transport are currently recruiting VMS ops (for peanuts, I would makeQ > a net loss if I relocated for these positions, shift work too). However, I did  7 > hear that they are already planning the move off VMS.   H In the same sense that the US government is planning economic recovery ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:18:13 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: London Transport moving off VMS0 Message-ID: <00A24B6F.2CC1F329@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <3F44A95C.B05A8302@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:  >  >Fellow VMS users, > K >I have received information that would suggest that if you are planning to @ >visit London then you might consider sooner rather than later.  > M >London Transport are currently recruiting VMS ops (for peanuts, I would make P >a net loss if I relocated for these positions, shift work too). However, I did 6 >hear that they are already planning the move off VMS.   Tim,     What does London Transport do?     --N VAXman- A bored certified VMS kernel mode hacker!     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:13:55 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-@-alum-mit-edu-nospam>E Subject: Re: Overlapped IO with redirected SYS$OUTPUT for Sub Program . Message-ID: <nA31b.7$wX5.3282@news.uswest.net>  H Does your description below mean that the sub programs could continue toH write to SYS$OUTPUT via the PRINT statement in BASIC?  I have no problemL rewriting the calling program - it's a single piece of code.  However, thereC are a couple of hundred subprograms that would need to be modified.    Thanks,  Mike.   = "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> wrote in message 2 news:a9u7kvob5ev6n77bu9vgo57t40lr422g5e@4ax.com...C > I agree with Dave that a mailbox is probably the correct approach E > to use.  The parent program would have to create the mailbox first, @ > then when calling LIB$SPAWN specify the mailbox as the default > output for the subprocess. > @ > Even though RMS supports shared sequential files, you might beD > stepping all over yourself if you try to read it while it is beingC > written to.  And to do this correctly, RMS would have to be doing < > a physical write for every PRINT statement.  The I/O would+ > be significant, if it could even be done.  >  > Good luck. >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 08:39:47 -0700/ From: bconklin@masongeneral.com (Brian Conklin) ) Subject: Re: Querying UAF from MS Windows = Message-ID: <7ba31a17.0308210739.62121e09@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3F3C4F15.58DF8750@fsi.net>... > Brian Conklin wrote: > > 
 > > Hello,. > >    I am a novice when it comes to OpenVMS.I > >    I have been searching for days for a Howto on querying the OpenVMS G > > Alpha 7.3 UAF from a Windows host that will be able to display user H > > names, password expiration date, and whether the account is disabled > > or not on an ASP page.I > >    I have a fairly large network that includes WinNT/2K servers, Unix I > > servers, Linux servers, and this one OpenVMS server. We currently can B > > display this user information from all but the OpenVMS server.6 > >    Thank you for any help you may be able to give. > J > Other posters have mentioned Management Station, but that's a WhineBloze+ > app., not what you seem to be asking for.  > J > The trick might be to get the data your want from a DCL proc. on the VMSI > machine via REXEC or RSHELL, massage the output into some suitable HTML H > and return it to the browser via the web server on a UN*X, W/NT or W2K > box.  @ Thank you for the tip. I believe you have sent me in the correct
 direction.  A We currently have an asp web page that queries our Windows Active E Directory, Linux user file, and BSD user file and displays the user's E name, password change date, password expiration date, and whether the F account has been disabled/locked out. I would like to add the UAF from our OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha server.   D I currently use LDAP queries and was hoping I could do the same with/ OpenVMS, but have found nothing on the subject.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:24:32 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ) Subject: Re: Querying UAF from MS Windows 2 Message-ID: <4n61b.2989$XE5.1056@news.cpqcorp.net>  o In article <7ba31a17.0308210739.62121e09@posting.google.com>, bconklin@masongeneral.com (Brian Conklin) writes: a :"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3F3C4F15.58DF8750@fsi.net>...  :> Brian Conklin wrote: / :> >    I am a novice when it comes to OpenVMS. J :> >    I have been searching for days for a Howto on querying the OpenVMSH :> > Alpha 7.3 UAF from a Windows host that will be able to display userI :> > names, password expiration date, and whether the account is disabled  :> > or not on an ASP page. J :> >    I have a fairly large network that includes WinNT/2K servers, UnixJ :> > servers, Linux servers, and this one OpenVMS server. We currently canC :> > display this user information from all but the OpenVMS server. 7 :> >    Thank you for any help you may be able to give.  :>  K :> Other posters have mentioned Management Station, but that's a WhineBloze , :> app., not what you seem to be asking for. :>  K :> The trick might be to get the data your want from a DCL proc. on the VMS J :> machine via REXEC or RSHELL, massage the output into some suitable HTMLI :> and return it to the browser via the web server on a UN*X, W/NT or W2K  :> box.   D   Remote access in this fashion is, of course, a potentially massiveE   security hole and must be handled with care -- tools and mechanisms F   and protocols that access authentication information are obvious and&   common targets for security attacks.  H   I would tend to use a different design concept here, and would tend toF   use webpages and CGI running on OpenVMS to return the information toE   the client, then a remote webserver could display this information. D   (The information displayed on a webpage does not have to be local,@   though many websites and webpages are designed to assume this.C   Some folks clearly understand this, but some folks and some sites D   are surprisingly designed to centrally collect the information andG   to then display it -- rather than combining the efforts.)  But again, 1   the information is potentially quite sensitive.   C   The other "fun" here is maintaining the information involved in a    secure fashion.   B :We currently have an asp web page that queries our Windows ActiveF :Directory, Linux user file, and BSD user file and displays the user'sF :name, password change date, password expiration date, and whether theG :account has been disabled/locked out. I would like to add the UAF from  :our OpenVMS 7.3 Alpha server.  A   OpenVMS external authentication presently supports Kerberos and C   LAN Manager authentication, and these would be obvious approaches A   for the environment you appear to be operating in -- this would    permit single-sign on.  E :I currently use LDAP queries and was hoping I could do the same with 0 :OpenVMS, but have found nothing on the subject.  B   LDAP external authentication is expected for V7.3-2.  Integrated;   LDAP support within OpenVMS is first available in V7.3-1.   G   Other OpenVMS management tools that might be of interest here involve D   the WEBEM distributed management suite, and the OpenVMS Management   Station package.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:45:08 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> Subject: Re: SFTP > Message-ID: <Uo11b.49798$bo1.25423@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  K This will be available with TCP/IP Services V5.4.  This is in field test at  the moment.    Matt.    --  = -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------     2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message; news:5.2.0.9.2.20030820110909.00b2d920@raptor.psccos.com... 7 > Process Software's SSH for OpenVMS can do this today.  > , > At 10:10 AM 8/20/2003, Mike Freeman wrote:
 > >Greetings.  > > K > >The electric utility for which I work obtains a fair amount of data from K > >the Internet via ftp using command procedures.  We have UCX installed so H > >are using its ftp client.  One of the sites from which we get data isJ > >shifting to use of SFTP (as in the UNIX SFTP).  Is there a client which: > >will run under VAX/VMS which can handle SFTP transfers? > >  > >Thanks much in advance. > >  > >Mike Freeman < K 7 U I J >  >  > ------L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+L > | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |L > | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |L > | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |L > | http://www.process.com        |                                        |L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 06:16:52 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ( Subject: RE: Strange programming problem3 Message-ID: <zsFtDr$dTAVN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <tae1ib.4ah.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>, Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> writes: > Tom Linden wrote:  >  >>F >> Alternatively, you can use a rigorously defiend language like PL/I. >> >  > As if C wasn't fiend enough.   ???   C Somehow I do not see permitting assignments off the end of an array  as disciplined.   E Nor, speaking from an Ada viewpoint, allowing by default the addition  of apples to oranges.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:28:46 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> * Subject: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.3 or 8.4 for OpenVMS2 Message-ID: <3F44C90E.5060106@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Petros Dafniotis wrote: E > I am aware of at least two ports of Tcl/Tk 8.0p2 to OpenVMS which I $ > have been using quite extensively. > < > Is anyone working on Tcl/Tk port (v8.3 or 8.4) to OpenVMS? > G I compiled 8.4.4. I still have to do a lot of testing. So do not expect % that everything works out of the box. + Details of how I did it are on my web-page: +   http://www.nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/                  Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:13:17 -0400 & From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>4 Subject: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10/ Message-ID: <vk9l0l6tvsed4f@news.supernews.com>    Has anyone tried this? If so, did it work ?   DT   -- g David B Turner Island Computers US Corporationi 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180s Savannah GA 31404s Tel: 912 447 6622s Fax: 912 201 0402o Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.nete   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:34:31 GMTe1 From: "Rene Verhaeghe" <rene.verhaeghe@chello.be> 8 Subject: Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10: Message-ID: <bE51b.29131$JX1.2995728@amsnews02.chello.com>  7 As long as the two disk have the same size fot VMS, yese  ; "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> a crit dans le message des) news:vk9l0l6tvsed4f@news.supernews.com...  > Has anyone tried this? > If so, did it work ? >g > DT >  > -- k > David B Turner! > Island Computers US Corporationn > 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180n > Savannah GA 314043 > Tel: 912 447 6622S > Fax: 912 201 0402w > Email: dbturner@hpaq.net > http://www.hpaq.netw >d >3   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:42:28 GMT-4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32500 Message-ID: <3F44AE49.4301F375@blueyonder.co.uk>   Alan wrote:i > 1 > Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 ?. >   K Why skimp on hardware costs when you have the lowest TCO, best reliability z" and best security in the business?  6 Presumably HP will certify their hardware for VMS use.   regardsi   > Alan   -- t tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:38:13 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32500 Message-ID: <bi27em$t5a$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Charlie Hammond wrote:5 > "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message.- > news:i0r0b.2704$I03.634@news.cpqcorp.net...  > 
 >>Alan wrote:y >>2 >>>Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 ? >> > 5 > The short term answer is almost certainly "NO", but 8 > Dell's response to this question would be interesting. >      Why ???s  9 Dell needs some formal mechanism probably with supporting 5 test suites to allow them to certify OpenVMS on theiro	 platform.n  < Without this Dell could try OpenVMS on an Itanium Poweredege8 but there would be no certainty that OpenVMS was running
 correctly.  < The best example I can give you is Solaris x86. Sun supplies= and supports it on our own x86 boxes and but we also supply a3: Hardware Certification Test Suite to 3rd party x86 systems7 vendors which they can use to self certify their systemn with Solaris x86.g  % http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/>  , Microsoft have similar programs for Windows.  % Dell would need the same for OpenVMS.h   Regardsp Andrew Harrisony   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:32:06 -0400n# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>e: Subject: RE: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDIEKJDNAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----) > From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 > [mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com]) > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:38 AMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < > Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 >  >  > Charlie Hammond wrote:7 > > "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message / > > news:i0r0b.2704$I03.634@news.cpqcorp.net...b > >  > >>Alan wrote:r > >>4 > >>>Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 ? > >> > > 7 > > The short term answer is almost certainly "NO", but : > > Dell's response to this question would be interesting. > >  >  > 	 > Why ???l >@  E 	Mayhaps it would reveal what if any interest they had in VMS on DELL0 	equipment?0   ; > Dell needs some formal mechanism probably with supporting:7 > test suites to allow them to certify OpenVMS on theirs > platform.   G 	Of course but the answer to the original question would most certainlyl9 	be interesting despite the lack of such a suite/program.h > 	 > Regards1 > Andrew Harrison  >  >    Dant   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:43:50 +01004( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32509 Message-ID: <bi2t7m$4nf99$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>   K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>n; wrote in message news:bi27em$t5a$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com..., > Charlie Hammond wrote:7 > > "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message / > > news:i0r0b.2704$I03.634@news.cpqcorp.net...r > >O > >>Alan wrote:e > >>4 > >>>Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 ? > >> > >67 > > The short term answer is almost certainly "NO", butk: > > Dell's response to this question would be interesting. > >r >k >r	 > Why ???  >n; > Dell needs some formal mechanism probably with supportingm7 > test suites to allow them to certify OpenVMS on theire > platform.  > > > Without this Dell could try OpenVMS on an Itanium Poweredege: > but there would be no certainty that OpenVMS was running > correctly. >i> > The best example I can give you is Solaris x86. Sun supplies? > and supports it on our own x86 boxes and but we also supply ae< > Hardware Certification Test Suite to 3rd party x86 systems9 > vendors which they can use to self certify their systema > with Solaris x86.A >s' > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/h > . > Microsoft have similar programs for Windows. >u' > Dell would need the same for OpenVMS.y >m  E This actually not a bad idea, the objective would be to sell more VMSMH licenses. All VMS engineering needs to do is to define an environment inI which VMS will run. This clearly requires both console and configuration,e maybe more.hH It is then up to the third party to decide whether they will comply with that environment or not.H I expect that this needs to wait until at least after the 8.1 release isK out, before then the finer details needed may be subject to rapid revision. K If this were to be done, it would probably need a new revision for each neweD release of the OS, as new hardware gets added to the supported list.L Obviously it would cost money to create the certification environment, so itI should cost the t/p reasonable sums to aquire the rights to use it, moneyfD they would expect to recover from sales, like all development costs.   I would say go for it.     -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - coml +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/         ---t& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/2003o   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.462 ************************