1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 22 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 463       Contents: Re: 306GB drives! E Another Endangered Account ( was Re: London Transport moving off VMS)  Re: AntiVirus for OpenVMS  Re: AntiVirus for OpenVMS  BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3 ! Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3 ! Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3 ! Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3 ! Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3  Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 Global Buffers and XFC Re: Global Buffers and XFC: Re: How to determine which client is connected to a server$ Re: HP's $200MM advertising campaign Re: Last week at HP World # Re: London Transport moving off VMS # Re: London Transport moving off VMS # Re: London Transport moving off VMS # Re: London Transport moving off VMS # Re: London Transport moving off VMS  Praxis
 Re: Praxis
 RE: Praxis
 Re: Praxis
 Re: Praxis( Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task=, Re: Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task=, Re: Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task=, Re: Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task=, Re: Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task=, Re: Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task=D Re: Senior level OpenVMS systems administration consultant available Re: Strange programming problem  Re: Strange programming problem ( Re: Unicode client as Open VMS terminal. Re: vmsnet.* spam + vmsnet.* spam (was: FS: VAXstation 4000/90) / Re: vmsnet.* spam (was: FS: VAXstation 4000/90) / RE: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10 / Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10 & White paper shows Charon-VAX on Marvel1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250  Worms / OpenVMS BIND  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:25:26 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> Subject: Re: 306GB drives!@ Message-ID: <Gxc1b.1132$Ct.799318088@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>   Keith Parris wrote:    <BIG Chainsaw>D > This strategy works fine until the controller [pair] fails, or theD > datacenter in which the EVA is located is destroyed by a disaster.  > unless your redundant controller is in another building up to F 30-50Kilometers away in another city along with an entirely redundant G cluster..  So in essence, you have 4 controllers (2 controller pairs).  : The question is really "how much $$$ is your data worth?".  D EVA's have the ability to replicate itself to an entirely different 1 controller over a Wide-area SAN using dark-fibre.    Michael Austin.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:32:27 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> N Subject: Another Endangered Account ( was Re: London Transport moving off VMS)' Message-ID: <3F4572AB.56113C3F@fsi.net>    Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > Fellow VMS users,  > L > I have received information that would suggest that if you are planning to@ > visit London then you might consider sooner rather than later. > N > London Transport are currently recruiting VMS ops (for peanuts, I would makeP > a net loss if I relocated for these positions, shift work too). However, I did7 > hear that they are already planning the move off VMS.  >  > You have been warned.    Sue?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:23:51 -0400 . From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>" Subject: Re: AntiVirus for OpenVMS8 Message-ID: <bdhakvguh4kecfoeo2b04b31jng9qv7pjj@4ax.com>  F On 20 Aug 2003 20:52:07 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  j >In article <v678kvcgd39mn6mb50aq7n5u2c4n91ks2p@4ax.com>, Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes: > I >> There is a checksum library function provided with OpenVMS, so writing E >> a program like mine isn't all that hard, or all that many lines of H >> code, and it should make a file change monitor a bit more secure...ifI >> you encrypt the file that records the prior checksums, or at least run > >> a checksum on *it* and ask a human (i.e. you) or some otherG >> trustworthy source to check the records to see if it has been messed  >> with since the last run.  > E >The other approach is to store the file of prior checksums on CDROM.   E You can do that...once CDROMs get invented.  I *said* this was in the D distant past, didn't I?  The latest from MicroSoft was MS-DOS 3.0 atD the time I wrote that code, and it was running on PC-XTs and PC-ATs.F *I* was using a VAX-8650 and a VAX-11/785 at work, with a VT-320 cloneB as a terminal.  There were no CD-ROMs, let alone ones that let youE write your own CDs.  We had 9-track 1600 bpi mag tapes...and we LIKED 	 them! :^)   B -- Mike "you kids nowadays, just don't know how good you got it... ;^)" Bartman -- @ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address. %   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM... @ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 17:54:35 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: AntiVirus for OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <2nRBfMbSHBR1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <bdhakvguh4kecfoeo2b04b31jng9qv7pjj@4ax.com>, Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes: H > On 20 Aug 2003 20:52:07 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > wrote: > k >>In article <v678kvcgd39mn6mb50aq7n5u2c4n91ks2p@4ax.com>, Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes:  >>J >>> There is a checksum library function provided with OpenVMS, so writingF >>> a program like mine isn't all that hard, or all that many lines ofI >>> code, and it should make a file change monitor a bit more secure...if J >>> you encrypt the file that records the prior checksums, or at least run? >>> a checksum on *it* and ask a human (i.e. you) or some other H >>> trustworthy source to check the records to see if it has been messed >>> with since the last run. >>F >>The other approach is to store the file of prior checksums on CDROM. > - > You can do that...once CDROMs get invented.   F Since you said "writing a program like mine" I figured we were talking, about people who would be implementing anew.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 11:19:05 -0700, From: vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya)& Subject: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3= Message-ID: <eb8f4d7b.0308211019.251cb6c5@posting.google.com>   ; Do we still have the BG device limit of 10K  on TCPIP V5.3?    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:58:28 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)* Subject: Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3. Message-ID: <bi34ok$qvr$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya) writes in article <eb8f4d7b.0308211019.251cb6c5@posting.google.com> dated 21 Aug 2003 11:19:05 -0700:< >Do we still have the BG device limit of 10K  on TCPIP V5.3?  J Apparantly so.  My long-uptime systems have their BG device numbers in the9 range 0..9999.  Running OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3-1, TCPIP 5.3.     + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:41:24 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) * Subject: Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.32 Message-ID: <Ef91b.3018$rY5.2141@news.cpqcorp.net>  ] In article <bi34ok$qvr$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:  :vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya) writes in article <eb8f4d7b.0308211019.251cb6c5@posting.google.com> dated 21 Aug 2003 11:19:05 -0700: = :>Do we still have the BG device limit of 10K  on TCPIP V5.3?  : K :Apparantly so.  My long-uptime systems have their BG device numbers in the : :range 0..9999.  Running OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3-1, TCPIP 5.3.    F   The expected BGDRIVER-related 9999 unit limit increases won't arriveE   any earlier than the TCP/IP Services V5.4 release.  If this feature F   does officially make it into the V5.4 release, please then check theA   documentation for associated configuration details and related.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:21:35 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>* Subject: Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3< Message-ID: <jR91b.2404$lP6.1692@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>  G There is an issue with TCPIP 5.3 which can lead to BG devices not being H exhausted under some conditions.  TCPIP 5.3 ECO1 corrects this behavior.5 ECO 2 is also out which includes all the ECO 1 fixes.    -- Andy Bustamante  remove the ASCII 95s to reply   9 "Vinit Adya" <vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com> wrote in message 7 news:eb8f4d7b.0308211019.251cb6c5@posting.google.com... = > Do we still have the BG device limit of 10K  on TCPIP V5.3?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:44:32 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> * Subject: Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3' Message-ID: <3F457580.E420B692@fsi.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > _ > In article <bi34ok$qvr$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:  > :vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya) writes in article <eb8f4d7b.0308211019.251cb6c5@posting.google.com> dated 21 Aug 2003 11:19:05 -0700: ? > :>Do we still have the BG device limit of 10K  on TCPIP V5.3?  > : M > :Apparantly so.  My long-uptime systems have their BG device numbers in the : > :range 0..9999.  Running OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3-1, TCPIP 5.3. > H >   The expected BGDRIVER-related 9999 unit limit increases won't arriveG >   any earlier than the TCP/IP Services V5.4 release.  If this feature H >   does officially make it into the V5.4 release, please then check theC >   documentation for associated configuration details and related.   B Do you know if Process will include this in their BG emulation for Multinet and TCPware?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:05:24 +0100 ( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com># Subject: Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 9 Message-ID: <bi355n$4s3q1$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>   2 "Pete Fenelon" <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in message) news:vka4qfe7bp7lc7@corp.supernews.com... I > In alt.folklore.computers Keith A. Lewis <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote: F > > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Berg?= <clergyman@gmx.de> writes in articleD <bi0frr$40hpo$1@ID-144190.news.uni-berlin.de> dated Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:49:02 +0200: K > >>Do you know such groups which only deal with DEC hardware and software?  > >  > > comp.sys.dec > > Put FS: in the subject.  > >  > J > I would've suggested one of the vmsnet.* groups, if they're not folklore > themselves these days! > L Have you looked at them lately ? the current posts in them are virtually all binaries...      --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/2003    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:05:59 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)# Subject: Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 . Message-ID: <bi356n$qvr$2@newslocal.mitre.org>  | Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> writes in article <vka4qfe7bp7lc7@corp.supernews.com> dated Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:45:35 -0000:I >I would've suggested one of the vmsnet.* groups, if they're not folklore  >themselves these days!   L If you want a laugh, check out vmsnet.mail.mx.  It was originally created toH discuss Hunter Goatley's MX mail distribution package.  Now it's overrun with Spanish-language binaries.   8 Yes I do still run the old, free MX on one cluster node.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:37:21 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk># Subject: Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 0 Message-ID: <3F450F86.74D6E9BF@blueyonder.co.uk>   "Dr. Richard E. Hawkins" wrote:  > ; > In article <bi0frr$40hpo$1@ID-144190.news.uni-berlin.de>, ' > Bjrn Berg  <clergyman@gmx.de> wrote:   > >Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > E > >> Or better yet, in a newsgroup where advertising is allowed . . .  > J > >Do you know such groups which only deal with DEC hardware and software? > ' > No, but that doesn't make it ok here.  >   G FWIW in all my years of reading comp.os.vms I can not remember any real L problems with posting private VMS related items for sale. Even David Turner L is accepted (grudgingly by some). Anything goes in alt surely if thats where you are coming from.  I Anyway, you wanna moderate comp.os.vms? Split it into a heirarchy? Others  have tried, and failed.    regards,         --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:45:35 -0000 % From: Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> # Subject: Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 / Message-ID: <vka4qfe7bp7lc7@corp.supernews.com>   G In alt.folklore.computers Keith A. Lewis <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote:  > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Berg?= <clergyman@gmx.de> writes in article <bi0frr$40hpo$1@ID-144190.news.uni-berlin.de> dated Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:49:02 +0200: I >>Do you know such groups which only deal with DEC hardware and software?  >  > comp.sys.dec > Put FS: in the subject.  >   H I would've suggested one of the vmsnet.* groups, if they're not folklore themselves these days!     pete --  E pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:06:20 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk># Subject: Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 0 Message-ID: <3F451651.A22D470E@blueyonder.co.uk>   Pete Fenelon wrote:     > J > I would've suggested one of the vmsnet.* groups, if they're not folklore > themselves these days!  F the comp.os.vms and comp.sys.dec groups are far more widely carried by' news services than the vmsnet heirachy.    >  > pete > --G > pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB    --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:39:37 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) # Subject: Re: FS: VAXstation 4000/90 9 Message-ID: <JSb1b.5586$vA5.464217@twister.austin.rr.com>   & Pete Fenelon (pete@fenelon.com) wrote:I : In alt.folklore.computers Keith A. Lewis <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote: G : > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Berg?= <clergyman@gmx.de> writes in article  I : > <bi0frr$40hpo$1@ID-144190.news.uni-berlin.de> dated Wed, 20 Aug 2003   > > 20:49:02 +0200K : >>Do you know such groups which only deal with DEC hardware and software?  : >  : > comp.sys.dec : > Put FS: in the subject.  : >  : J : I would've suggested one of the vmsnet.* groups, if they're not folklore : themselves these days!   :   F The vmsnet.* groups have been taken over by people posting DivX files,9 and should probably be 'rmgrouped' after a suitable vote.     2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 15:25:26 -0700# From: wmarsh@etrade.com (Wil Marsh)  Subject: Global Buffers and XFC = Message-ID: <36f52bd6.0308211425.44097bc9@posting.google.com>   E We are in the process of upgrading to VMS 7.3-1 from 7.2-2. Currently D all of the production ISAM files have ample global buffers such thatD the majority of reads are from data cached in the global buffers. WeD are only using 30% of the memory, leaving lots of room for XFC to doE its work. Our question is: Do we contiue to use the global buffers or D let the production ISAM files use the XFC cache? We were told by ourF Gold Support TAM to read the VMS 7.3 New Features manual section 5.12.@ This section makes reference to Record Locking enhancements with= Global Buffer Reads, followed by the NO_Query_record locking. B None of which answer our questions about using XFC with or without global buffers. 2 Thanks in advance for any input on this subject...   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 19:51:49 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) # Subject: Re: Global Buffers and XFC 3 Message-ID: <Z6uZtBPjvXBV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <36f52bd6.0308211425.44097bc9@posting.google.com>, wmarsh@etrade.com (Wil Marsh) writes: G > We are in the process of upgrading to VMS 7.3-1 from 7.2-2. Currently F > all of the production ISAM files have ample global buffers such thatF > the majority of reads are from data cached in the global buffers. WeF > are only using 30% of the memory, leaving lots of room for XFC to doG > its work. Our question is: Do we contiue to use the global buffers or F > let the production ISAM files use the XFC cache? We were told by ourH > Gold Support TAM to read the VMS 7.3 New Features manual section 5.12.B > This section makes reference to Record Locking enhancements with? > Global Buffer Reads, followed by the NO_Query_record locking. D > None of which answer our questions about using XFC with or without > global buffers. 4 > Thanks in advance for any input on this subject...   	Will,    ; 	You are clustered.  I'm assuming your files are opened for : 	shared write across the cluster(s).  If that is the case, 	then this applies:    	Search Google:    		xfc opened shared write   + 	This is the top hit, others are there too:   : http://vmsone.com/dfwdays/Presentations/Dallas_XFC2001.ppt  8 [PPT]vmsone.com/dfwdays/Presentations/Dallas_XFC2001.ppt3 File Format: Microsoft Powerpoint 97 - View as HTML    --------  M ... Must use global buffers for files open for shared write in a cluster <===    --------   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:20:11 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> C Subject: Re: How to determine which client is connected to a server ' Message-ID: <3F456FCB.C88DCF2C@fsi.net>    Chris Breemer wrote: > : > Thanks guys for your helpful replies, I'm all happy now.6 > Good to see the VMS newsgroup is alive and kicking !  D I am frequently tempted to think of it as a "near death experience".   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:29:58 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> - Subject: Re: HP's $200MM advertising campaign ' Message-ID: <3F457216.18A2B4FE@fsi.net>    Tim Llewellyn wrote: > [snip]M > However, until there is an independant VMS marketing group within HP with a V > mandate and financial incentives to compete with other offerings from HP and others,) > I can't see how things can turn around.   G I'm still of the opinion that a group independent of hp would do better C to market VMS as an authorized partner/reseller. Among the reasons:   1 o Gives hp a layer of insulation from BG's goons.   G o hp has displayed precious little more capability in the most areas of E customer service than the Q, in many cases much less (if you can even  imagine that).  G o hp and OpenVMS Engr.'s hands would be kept free to develop and debug, F unfettered by the demands of an active customer base (the VAR(s) would3 handle the major portion of that part of the load).   	 o more...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:40:14 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) " Subject: Re: Last week at HP World= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0308211140.71b395a1@posting.google.com>   % Answers to a couple of the questions.   D Bob Blatz is still here, Dan was the person from Marketing and he is good at his job.  C We were going to do RT f(squared)AQ buttons but were not sure if it  would be in bad taste.  B One of my favorite buttons we did last week was "My kid reads yourE honor students email"  and of course there were bunchs of VMS buttons F and a number of hacker ones as well.  Oh and I liked "because I am theA system manager that's why" and "I am the webmaster you must obey"   F I hope to see some of you folks at the Advanced Technical Boot Camp in@ Nov maybe we could do a COV breakout.  Warren has put the latest agenda up on the VMS web page.   sue     \ hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<iNS0b.2933$y15.557@news.cpqcorp.net>...o > In article <f401eb7f.0308201350.61d1bf00@posting.google.com>, soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) writes:  > :Dirk Munk wrote:  > : : > :> [...] I'm very proud on my OpenVMS ambassador shirt ! > : H > :I was on low power by the time the engineering panel happened.  I was@ > :kind of there in an idle mode.  I had several great non-RTFAQH > :questions that I asked the subject matter experts the very next day.  >  > G >   Thanks to members of the Clandestine Button Production Laboratories F >   and the Rapid Replication Prototype Production Efforts, I've a bagH >   full of RTFAQ buttons ready and waiting for future events, too.  :-) >  > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------M >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:22:19 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>, Subject: Re: London Transport moving off VMS0 Message-ID: <3F450BFF.157607A2@blueyonder.co.uk>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > i > In article <3F44A95C.B05A8302@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:  > >  > >Fellow VMS users, > > M > >I have received information that would suggest that if you are planning to A > >visit London then you might consider sooner rather than later.  > > O > >London Transport are currently recruiting VMS ops (for peanuts, I would make Q > >a net loss if I relocated for these positions, shift work too). However, I did 8 > >hear that they are already planning the move off VMS. >  > Tim, >   > What does London Transport do?  % The job is in Street Management, see:   - http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk/streets/   N From the jobspec its congestion charge,  traffic enforcement, traffic lights, P bus priority, tunnel control, coordination of streetworks, fault management etc.W They are integrating with the Underground "in 2003". Mainly ops stuff with requirements  for MS and databse apps also.   Q I will work locally for peanuts but I am not going to work in London for peanuts, S its either live in central London => high rent or big commute => high fares, stress R etc. Doable on a good contract rate (a few have popped up this year, but gone fast to local people).    >  > --P > VAXman- A bored certified VMS kernel mode hacker!     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  P Oh dear, you too? You fixed all the kernel mode bugs and noone is making any newS ones, or upgrading their OS version requiring reworking your code etc? What does is Q matter really, and why spend all that money fighting counter-terrorist wars when  R all we neeed to do is wait for MSBlast or a variant to take out a real operational$ nuclear power plant :-) Scary times.   regards,   > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:44:38 -0500 % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> , Subject: Re: London Transport moving off VMS7 Message-ID: <tf91b.2533$3q.74061@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   ? Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message * news:3F44A95C.B05A8302@blueyonder.co.uk... >  > Fellow VMS users,  > L > I have received information that would suggest that if you are planning to@ > visit London then you might consider sooner rather than later. > I > London Transport are currently recruiting VMS ops (for peanuts, I would  makeL > a net loss if I relocated for these positions, shift work too). However, I did 7 > hear that they are already planning the move off VMS.  >  > You have been warned.  >  > Other interesting reading: > # > Downed Windows ATM - the pictures + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11130  > * > Nuclear power plant hit by Slammer virus+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11128  > 5 > Microsoft cerebrates fifteen years of poor security + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11108 @ > (VMS is alluded to but not mentioned by name in this article). > 3 > So will HP's VMS, Unix support be outsourced too? + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11093 : > (A sad tale, but not to late to turn it around, surely).  < The call handeling system has already been shifted to India. I'm already complaining about " A.)  the responce time going down.# B.)  # of incorrectly logged calls.    > < > No point in starting to be a lurker this late in the game! >  >  > --  > tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:47:04 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: London Transport moving off VMS0 Message-ID: <00A24B8C.59AD2D1A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <3F450BFF.157607A2@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:  >  > " >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>  j >> In article <3F44A95C.B05A8302@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes: >> > >> >Fellow VMS users,  >> >N >> >I have received information that would suggest that if you are planning toB >> >visit London then you might consider sooner rather than later. >> >P >> >London Transport are currently recruiting VMS ops (for peanuts, I would makeR >> >a net loss if I relocated for these positions, shift work too). However, I did9 >> >hear that they are already planning the move off VMS.  >>   >> Tim,  >>  ! >> What does London Transport do?  > & >The job is in Street Management, see: > . >http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk/streets/ > O >From the jobspec its congestion charge,  traffic enforcement, traffic lights,  Q >bus priority, tunnel control, coordination of streetworks, fault management etc. X >They are integrating with the Underground "in 2003". Mainly ops stuff with requirements >for MS and databse apps also.  P OK.  When I was in London back in March, the Central line of the Underground wasS out of service.  What a mess that was.  I can just imagine the calamity that would  R occur if WeenDoze was to be placed in control of the Underground and some virus or
 worm hit.     Q >> VAXman- A bored certified VMS kernel mode hacker!     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  > Q >Oh dear, you too? You fixed all the kernel mode bugs and noone is making any new T >ones, or upgrading their OS version requiring reworking your code etc? What does is  F Actually, I'm hacking away here on some kernel mode code and dabbling I into DCL's data too to add some new features to some security products.     G My next project (a hobby project) will be to add web control and monit- G oring to my Guinness keg cooler.  Monitoring the temp. is a no brainer, D but I'm a bit hard-pressed to find a PSIG with digital interface. ;)    R >matter really, and why spend all that money fighting counter-terrorist wars when S >all we neeed to do is wait for MSBlast or a variant to take out a real operational % >nuclear power plant :-) Scary times.   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11128      --N VAXman- A bored certified VMS kernel mode hacker!     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:46:01 GMT ! From: JBloggs@acme..spamless..com , Subject: Re: London Transport moving off VMS8 Message-ID: <p7fakvouf1c128mb6c478a2gvnpp29klk3@4ax.com>  / On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:21:26 GMT, Tim Llewellyn ' <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:   4 >Microsoft cerebrates fifteen years of poor security* >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11108? >(VMS is alluded to but not mentioned by name in this article).   7 I'm curious who wrote this article  (alias EuroMole);    Anyone know who the author was?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:50:27 +1000 : From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz>, Subject: Re: London Transport moving off VMSC Message-ID: <3f458510$0$95047$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>    Transport Londoners   , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A24B6F.2CC1F329@SendSpamHere.ORG...@ > In article <3F44A95C.B05A8302@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn( <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes: > >  > >Fellow VMS users, > > J > >I have received information that would suggest that if you are planning toA > >visit London then you might consider sooner rather than later.  > > J > >London Transport are currently recruiting VMS ops (for peanuts, I would makeK > >a net loss if I relocated for these positions, shift work too). However,  I did 8 > >hear that they are already planning the move off VMS. >  > Tim, >   > What does London Transport do? >  > --3 > VAXman- A bored certified VMS kernel mode hacker!  VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:00:32 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Praxis ' Message-ID: <3F454100.5090400@MMaz.com>   3 Anyone recall Praxis and where that can be located?    Barry    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 17:49:39 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Praxis 3 Message-ID: <QHw5Kbgz38xp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3F454100.5090400@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes: 5 > Anyone recall Praxis and where that can be located?   B Praxis is the company that implements the SPARK Inspector to allowE Ada programs to be (even) safer.  Rod Chapman of Praxis (from the UK) ! is quite active in comp.lang.ada.   A Google gives other references to the word Praxis, some in German.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:16:05 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: Praxis 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEPLHMAA.tom@kednos.com>   E He may have been referring to the programming language, which i think > came from somewhere in Germany.  Lasrt I saw of itwas ca. 1983   >-----Original Message----- 5 >From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] ( >Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:50 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: Praxis >  > = >In article <3F454100.5090400@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr."   ><Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:6 >> Anyone recall Praxis and where that can be located? > C >Praxis is the company that implements the SPARK Inspector to allow F >Ada programs to be (even) safer.  Rod Chapman of Praxis (from the UK)" >is quite active in comp.lang.ada. > B >Google gives other references to the word Praxis, some in German. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:33:44 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: Praxis ' Message-ID: <3F4564E8.1080705@MMaz.com>    Tom Linden wrote:   F >He may have been referring to the programming language, which i think? >came from somewhere in Germany.  Lasrt I saw of itwas ca. 1983n >  : >e Yes, the language...   Barryg   -- c  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        v   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 03:56:56 GMTs+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>e Subject: Re: Praxis/2 Message-ID: <BB6AE296.ACCA%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  H On 8/21/03 3:00 PM, in article 3F454100.5090400@MMaz.com, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:e  5 > Anyone recall Praxis and where that can be located?d >  > Barryp >  > J Yes, it is a moon rich in deuterium, and can be located around the Klingon homeworld of Kronos.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:02:09 -0500M( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)1 Subject: Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task=x1 Message-ID: <03082114020998@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>r  O I have a problem with a read/write FORTRAN application opening a DECnet object.=  # Snippet of the client (local) code:t            open (unit=file$unit,6      +        file='dscmis::"PAGER "::"task=pageman"',      +        status='OLD',e      +        shared,t!      +        form='UNFORMATTED',g"      +        access='SEQUENTIAL',%      +        carriagecontrol='NONE',t!      +        iostat=file$iostat)*-           print *,'open  =      ',file$iostat/  %         string = 'testing read/write'i(           print *,'old string   ',string  9         write (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) string -           print *,'write =      ',file$iostatl  <         read (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) new_string-           print *,'read  =      ',file$iostati,           print *,'new string   ',new_string  D         close (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat, dispose='delete')-           print *,'close =      ',file$iostat-  $ Snippet of the server (remote) code:           open (unit=file$unit,       +        file='SYS$NET',-      +        status='OLD',j      +        shared, !      +        form='UNFORMATTED',8"      +        access='SEQUENTIAL',%      +        carriagecontrol='NONE',h!      +        iostat=file$iostat)n-           print *,'rem open     ',file$iostath  8         read (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) string-           print *,'rem read     ',file$iostatn(           print *,'old string   ',string  2           new_string = 'I HAVE A RESPONSE FOR YOU',           print *,'new string   ',new_string  =         write (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) new_stringo-           print *,'rem write    ',file$iostatt  2         close (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat)-           print *,'close =      ',file$iostat    $ spc == "$dev:[dir]myap.exe;" $ spce open =                 0 old string   testing read/writea write =                 0  read  =                39 
 new string close =                 0n    The output in the netserver.log; rem open             0 rem read             0 old string   testing read/writer% new string  I HAVE A RESPONSE FOR YOUt rem write            0 close =              0    L The local to remote is writing just fine and is being received by the remoteN app, however when the remote app write back over the same link the local fails( to recieve it.  read=39 = FOR$_ERRDURREA  I Even the remote app thinks it is writing back to the local app just fine.a   The DECnet object:  " $ mcr ncp show object pageman char    : Object Volatile Characteristics as of 21-AUG-2003 14:01:18   Object = PAGEMAN   Number                   = 0? File id                  = PAGER$SUB:[COM.NEW.QIO]SP_SERVER.EXE   User id                  = PAGER0 Proxy access             = incoming and outgoing        ; Anyone with some help on this would be greatly appreciated!n     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n, VMS Systems Administratorr* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:52:25 GMT.4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>5 Subject: Re: Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task=k0 Message-ID: <3F45211D.70FE11CA@blueyonder.co.uk>   John Brandon wrote:h > Q > I have a problem with a read/write FORTRAN application opening a DECnet object.c > % > Snippet of the client (local) code:  >   >          open (unit=file$unit,8 >      +        file='dscmis::"PAGER "::"task=pageman"', >      +        status='OLD',n >      +        shared,h# >      +        form='UNFORMATTED', $ >      +        access='SEQUENTIAL',' >      +        carriagecontrol='NONE',R# >      +        iostat=file$iostat)i/ >           print *,'open  =      ',file$iostatM > ' >         string = 'testing read/write't* >           print *,'old string   ',string > ; >         write (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) string / >           print *,'write =      ',file$iostatM > > >         read (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) new_string/ >           print *,'read  =      ',file$iostat . >           print *,'new string   ',new_string > F >         close (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat, dispose='delete')/ >           print *,'close =      ',file$iostat,  Z How is new_string declared? Is it being implicitly typed as integer? When I used to debug W grad/postgrad fortran, I would generally refuse to touch anything without IMPLICIT NONE " on principal, life is too short.     > & > Snippet of the server (remote) code: >  >         open (unit=file$unit,e >      +        file='SYS$NET',c >      +        status='OLD',< >      +        shared,n# >      +        form='UNFORMATTED',@$ >      +        access='SEQUENTIAL',' >      +        carriagecontrol='NONE',C# >      +        iostat=file$iostat) / >           print *,'rem open     ',file$iostatp > : >         read (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) string/ >           print *,'rem read     ',file$iostate* >           print *,'old string   ',string > 4 >           new_string = 'I HAVE A RESPONSE FOR YOU'. >           print *,'new string   ',new_string > ? >         write (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) new_stringr/ >           print *,'rem write    ',file$iostat  > 4 >         close (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat)/ >           print *,'close =      ',file$iostats >   > $ spc == "$dev:[dir]myap.exe;" > $ spc  > open =                 0! > old string   testing read/write  > write =                 0. > read  =                39  > new string > close =                 0n > " > The output in the netserver.log; > rem open             0 > rem read             0! > old string   testing read/write0' > new string  I HAVE A RESPONSE FOR YOUc > rem write            0 > close =              0 > N > The local to remote is writing just fine and is being received by the remoteP > app, however when the remote app write back over the same link the local fails* > to recieve it.  read=39 = FOR$_ERRDURREA > K > Even the remote app thinks it is writing back to the local app just fine.m >  > The DECnet object: > $ > $ mcr ncp show object pageman char > < > Object Volatile Characteristics as of 21-AUG-2003 14:01:18 >  > Object = PAGEMAN >  > Number                   = 0A > File id                  = PAGER$SUB:[COM.NEW.QIO]SP_SERVER.EXEP" > User id                  = PAGER2 > Proxy access             = incoming and outgoing  N Do you have source for sp_server.exe? Can you post it? If declaring the stringQ variables explicitly and inserting IMPLICIT NONE at the top of both your programsod to make sure ALL variables are of declared rather than assumed type, it might be something in there.  S btw you really should make short complete example programs yourself and post those,.M rather than cut and paste code snippets that might be missing important partsm. of the program like the variable declarations.   Please post any feedback.d  	 regards,   > = > Anyone with some help on this would be greatly appreciated!A >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*no > VMS Systems Administratorl, > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:49:24 -0400I+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>95 Subject: Re: Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task=n8 Message-ID: <vc8akv86aqt27dp1fims2fgrd02aejnla4@4ax.com>  M On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:02:09 -0500, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote:o  P >I have a problem with a read/write FORTRAN application opening a DECnet object.   >         open (unit=file$unit,-7 >     +        file='dscmis::"PAGER "::"task=pageman"',V >     +        status='OLD', >     +        shared," >     +        form='UNFORMATTED',# >     +        access='SEQUENTIAL',o& >     +        carriagecontrol='NONE'," >     +        iostat=file$iostat)  J You REALLY don't want to be opening the object as UNFORMATTED SEQUENTIAL -N that gets you the Fortran 'SEGMENTED' recordtype which adds two bytes of flags to every output.  N Try adding RECORDTYPE='VARIABLE' and see if that helps.  If it were me, I'd beJ using FORMATTED I/O and explicit formats, but you may be able to get it to work with unformatted.   Steveo   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:54:11 -0500a( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)5 Subject: Re: Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task=g1 Message-ID: <03082115541129@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e  % tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:e  M > How is new_string declared? Is it being implicitly typed as integer? When I  > used to debug K > grad/postgrad fortran, I would generally refuse to touch anything withoute > IMPLICIT NONE/$ > on principal, life is too short.    6 I stand on principal - use of IMPLICIT NONE is a must!  P > Do you have source for sp_server.exe? Can you post it? If declaring the stringJ > variables explicitly and inserting IMPLICIT NONE at the top of both your
 > programsO > to make sure ALL variables are of declared rather than assumed type, it might  > be something in there.   All there - below here that is.   N > btw you really should make short complete example programs yourself and post > those,O > rather than cut and paste code snippets that might be missing important partsi0 > of the program like the variable declarations.   Guilty as charged.   > Please post any feedback.  >  > regards, a   Done.o        G c######################################################################u           options /extend_source           program sendpage_clienth           implicit        none           character*30    string"         character*30    new_string  !         integer         file$unitf#         integer         file$iostatw  "         integer         lib$iostat#         integer         lib$get_lunu  G c######################################################################R    +         lib$iostat = lib$get_lun(file$unit)s              open (unit=file$unit,5      +        file='dscmis::"PAGER"::"task=pageman"',       +        status='OLD',r      +        shared,f!      +        form='UNFORMATTED',e"      +        access='SEQUENTIAL',%      +        carriagecontrol='NONE',g!      +        iostat=file$iostat)0-           print *,'open  =      ',file$iostat2  %         string = 'testing read/write'k(           print *,'old string   ',string  9         write (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) stringn-           print *,'write =      ',file$iostatd  <         read (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) new_string-           print *,'read  =      ',file$iostate,           print *,'new string   ',new_string  D         close (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat, dispose='delete')-           print *,'close =      ',file$iostatt     c 
 c end program0 cV             end programa    G c######################################################################0          G c######################################################################:             options /extend_source           program sendpage_server>           implicit        none           character*30    string"         character*30    new_string  !         integer         file$unitv#         integer         file$iostats  "         integer         lib$iostat#         integer         lib$get_lun,    G c######################################################################l    +         lib$iostat = lib$get_lun(file$unit)r           open (unit=file$unit,s      +        file='SYS$NET',d      +        status='OLD',.      +        shared, !      +        form='UNFORMATTED', "      +        access='SEQUENTIAL',%      +        carriagecontrol='NONE',-!      +        iostat=file$iostat)3-           print *,'rem open     ',file$iostatl  8         read (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) string-           print *,'rem read     ',file$iostat>(           print *,'old string   ',string  2           new_string = 'I HAVE A RESPONSE FOR YOU',           print *,'new string   ',new_string  =         write (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat) new_stringa-           print *,'rem write    ',file$iostat   2         close (unit=file$unit, iostat=file$iostat)-           print *,'close =      ',file$iostate     ck
 c end program  c              end program     G c######################################################################t     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*ne VMS Systems Administratorc* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:59:01 -0500a( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)5 Subject: Re: Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task= 1 Message-ID: <03082115590174@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>-   Steve wrote:L > You REALLY don't want to be opening the object as UNFORMATTED SEQUENTIAL -P > that gets you the Fortran 'SEGMENTED' recordtype which adds two bytes of flags > to every output. > P > Try adding RECORDTYPE='VARIABLE' and see if that helps.  If it were me, I'd beL > using FORMATTED I/O and explicit formats, but you may be able to get it to > work with unformatted.  J I have tried a number of combinations.  FORM/unFORM also.  Just tried yourO RECORDTYPE=...  I am banging my head on the wall at this point and my vision is  blurred.     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nh VMS Systems Administratorr* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:08:06 -0500"( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)5 Subject: Re: Problems with FORTRAN using DECnet task=l1 Message-ID: <03082116080697@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>F   I found the problem:   The code was referencing dscmis::"PAGER"::"task=pageman"l   And it should have been  dscmis"PAGER"::"task=pageman"t  1 (NOTE the :: after the nodename - invalid syntax)e  N That said, that still does not explain why it was a one-way communication linkA - in that it would open the link, send data but not receive data.e    . Thanks to the quick responses from you guys...       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nl VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:23:19 -0500u1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>bM Subject: Re: Senior level OpenVMS systems administration consultant availabler' Message-ID: <3F457087.BAD4821D@fsi.net>.   Rick Nickles wrote:r >  > Greetings! > G >     I am a Senior VMS Administration Consultant with over 15 years ofbB > VMS systems administration experience.  I'm willing to travel or< > relocate.  Please contact me at on_the_move4ever@yahoo.com  F About all there is these days is us senior VMS folks. The kids are all/ busy playing with their point-and-click toys...d   --   David J. Dachtera, dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/D   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:16:21 -0400 . From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>( Subject: Re: Strange programming problem8 Message-ID: <33hakvo1onirl2cf47n3f6r5l4vep9en8l@4ax.com>  F On 20 Aug 2003 20:13:39 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  j >In article <5b68kvst38ohe49hpeluah99k9vhmglk3m@4ax.com>, Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes:I >> On 20 Aug 2003 09:25:28 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)S	 >> wrote:v  F >> All the "null-terminated string" stuff is in the standard C runtimeH >> libraries.  They aren't really a part of the language, though I thinkH >> the more recent specs include a minimal set that should be supported.F >> You are free to ignore them in your own code though, and do strings >> any way you like. >dE >And that will not cause the compiler to provide automatic safeguardss >for the range of a string.e  @ Very true, but if you wnat automatic compile-time safeguards youD shouldn't be writing in C.  The language isn't designed to allow it,9 and even has features to defeat anything that gets tried.c   -- Mike Bartmant@ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address. %   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM... @ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:19:29 -0400M. From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>( Subject: Re: Strange programming problem8 Message-ID: <3ahakvk8fd6cuqrkkfqk4bjk6c772l50ib@4ax.com>  F On 21 Aug 2003 06:16:52 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  [ >In article <tae1ib.4ah.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>, Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> writes:s >> Tom Linden wrote: >> s >>> G >>> Alternatively, you can use a rigorously defiend language like PL/I.  >>>t >> y >> As if C wasn't fiend enough.t >V >???  A The spelling...you probably meant "defined".  Personally I *like* 1 languages that have all the fiends removed... :^)e   -- Mike Bartmane@ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address. %   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM....@ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Aug 03 07:54:27 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 1 Subject: Re: Unicode client as Open VMS terminal.h) Message-ID: <0EtONcFbjBDt@elias.decus.ch>.  n In article <aus-F51DAF.18030120082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:D > Is it possible to tell Open VMS that the client terminal is using  > Unicode character code?  p >    Not as far as I know.t  B > I'm trying to use the Terminal in Mac OS X with German Umlautes.  B Before talking about VMS connections, can you even get Terminal to, respond to _any_ of the accented characters?  E I have a Swiss German keyboard here and Terminal simply locks up if IFF try those characters (hitting space unlocks the keyboard at that point BTW).s  ; FWIW, I have mentioned this problem on several occasions inaF comp.sys.mac.system over the past 15 months and so far nobody has come8 up with a decent answer. It is a serious deficiency IMO.  D A general question here folks. I know that in Motif/CDE/DECwindows IE can select, for example "ISO Latin 1", but coming in from a differenteE platform via telnet, SSH, whatever, what are the legitimate ones thato VMS recognizes?u   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:21:36 GMT4> From: John Malmberg <a@all.addresses.on.cdrom.are.invalid.aaa> Subject: Re: vmsnet.* spam; Message-ID: <Aee1b.5679$Nc.3545797@news1.news.adelphia.net>n   VAXman- wrote:6 > In article <9l2me6j$J7J3@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:o > J >>From one of those groups I send every such post back to the ISP in Spain >>from which they originate. > E >>"Somebody" with more authority than I over the newsgroup eventuallypD >>cancels them, but the ISP does not seem able to effect a permanent >>crackdown. >>H >>I would urge the rest of you to do your part to take back the streets.    G The location to ask for assistence is news.admin.net-abuse.policy.  It t1 is a low volume newsgroup that is auto-moderated.   I If enough people post there asking for assistence in the cleanup, it may .I result in a more permanent action.  A lack of multiple posters indicates    that no one is using the groups.  D Make sure that you have made reports to the ISP that is hosting the  spammers before you post.4  I If you go to http/www.google.com, select groups, and then enter a search L for:  * news.admin.net-abuse.policy udp [isp name]  I For [isp name], use the ISP that is in the X-ABUSE headers of all of the  H spam posts.  The post on Oct 7, 2000 by David Ritz will explain what to ? put in your request.  It should be the first one that shows up.e   > ? > The spanish version DIVX binaries of Buffy the Vampire Slayers  @ The MPAA by treaty has influence in this area, and has made the I political connections needed so that they can put pressure on the ISP to s
 stop this.  G If you can identify an American Movie / TV show (or spanish version of aB it) that is being posted, you can notify them at HOTLINE@MPAA.ORG.  H If you CC: the abuse reports to that ISP with HOTLINE@MPAA.ORG it seems * to make that poster dissapear for a while.  D The MPAA.ORG also has a toll free number, and if you call it during ? their business hours, you can sometimes get through to a human.0  G If you can get through to the MPAA, you can ask them why they have not eH yet taken action, since they have been receiving reports of this piracy  since January.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 14:12:31 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a4 Subject: vmsnet.* spam (was: FS: VAXstation 4000/90)3 Message-ID: <9l2me6j$J7J3@eisner.encompasserve.org>B  d In article <bi355n$4s3q1$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes: > 4 > "Pete Fenelon" <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in message+ > news:vka4qfe7bp7lc7@corp.supernews.com...-J >> In alt.folklore.computers Keith A. Lewis <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote:G >> > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Berg?= <clergyman@gmx.de> writes in article-F > <bi0frr$40hpo$1@ID-144190.news.uni-berlin.de> dated Wed, 20 Aug 2003 > 20:49:02 +0200:pL >> >>Do you know such groups which only deal with DEC hardware and software? >> > >> > comp.sys.dec  >> > Put FS: in the subject. >> > >>K >> I would've suggested one of the vmsnet.* groups, if they're not folkloref >> themselves these days!. >>N > Have you looked at them lately ? the current posts in them are virtually all
 > binaries...0  H From one of those groups I send every such post back to the ISP in Spain from which they originate.  C "Somebody" with more authority than I over the newsgroup eventuallyrB cancels them, but the ISP does not seem able to effect a permanent
 crackdown.  F I would urge the rest of you to do your part to take back the streets.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:52:15 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG8 Subject: Re: vmsnet.* spam (was: FS: VAXstation 4000/90)0 Message-ID: <00A24B8D.12F6CEA1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <9l2me6j$J7J3@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:ie >In article <bi355n$4s3q1$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes:n >> t5 >> "Pete Fenelon" <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in messagew, >> news:vka4qfe7bp7lc7@corp.supernews.com...K >>> In alt.folklore.computers Keith A. Lewis <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote:oH >>> > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Berg?= <clergyman@gmx.de> writes in articleG >> <bi0frr$40hpo$1@ID-144190.news.uni-berlin.de> dated Wed, 20 Aug 2003  >> 20:49:02 +0200:M >>> >>Do you know such groups which only deal with DEC hardware and software?) >>> >  >>> > comp.sys.dec >>> > Put FS: in the subject.  >>> >  >>>AL >>> I would've suggested one of the vmsnet.* groups, if they're not folklore >>> themselves these days! >>>sO >> Have you looked at them lately ? the current posts in them are virtually all  >> binaries... >wI >From one of those groups I send every such post back to the ISP in Spaind >from which they originate.  >aD >"Somebody" with more authority than I over the newsgroup eventuallyC >cancels them, but the ISP does not seem able to effect a permanents >crackdown.- > G >I would urge the rest of you to do your part to take back the streets.   E The spanish version DIVX binaries of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (what a E fucking braindamaged show concept but that's another rant altogheter)qD have been targetted at the VMSnet.Employment group too.  I have longF since added a rule to "bit-bucket" any mail coming in from the modera-D tion site for VMSnet.Employment.  If you think it's bad being in theF newsgroups, try it from my perspective.  That shit is wasting my band-8 width because it's sent as email for moderator apporval!  c --N VAXman- A bored certified VMS kernel mode hacker!     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 21 Aug 03 21:57:33 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.sie8 Subject: RE: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10& Message-ID: <3f454052$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  ( "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: >Has anyone tried this?/    Yes.n   >If so, did it work ?   1  VDDRIVER: no. LDDRIVER: no. (RAID$DPDRIVER: no.)c: I was not able to use my DS10L's disk or virtual disk with7 container file on IDE disk as shadow member in cluster..   Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461i; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464e Slovenia   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:42:31 -0500w1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o8 Subject: Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10' Message-ID: <3F457506.969B50DD@fsi.net>c   rok@nuk.uni-lj.si wrote: > * > "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: > >Has anyone tried this?p >  >  Yes.u >  > >If so, did it work ?o > 3 >  VDDRIVER: no. LDDRIVER: no. (RAID$DPDRIVER: no.).< > I was not able to use my DS10L's disk or virtual disk with9 > container file on IDE disk as shadow member in cluster.    O.k. Here we go...  3 What does (the equivalent of) "does not work" mean?u   What happened?  ) What error messages (if any) did you get?w  D (Hint: Count on these questions being asked, and answer them in your initial post.)   -- t David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:19:09 -0400o% From: "Nancy Lyons" <n.lyons@rcn.com>e/ Subject: White paper shows Charon-VAX on Marveln+ Message-ID: <bi3nfn$fkv$1@bob.news.rcn.net>>   For folks who are interested in using Charon-VAX to replace existing hardware or to build mixed architecture clusters on a single Q platform, there is a new white paper that was recently posted on www.openvms.org.b   Nancy Lyonsn Resilient Systems, Inc.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:30:16 -0400r. From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32508 Message-ID: <9mhakvct642avtavirt1olckkdo14coagc@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:38:13 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyt. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >Charlie Hammond wrote:r6 >> "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message. >> news:i0r0b.2704$I03.634@news.cpqcorp.net... >>>Alan wrote: >>> 3 >>>>Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 ?b >>>n6 >> The short term answer is almost certainly "NO", but9 >> Dell's response to this question would be interesting.    So would HP's.  : >Dell needs some formal mechanism probably with supporting6 >test suites to allow them to certify OpenVMS on their
 >platform.  E They also need a licence from HP to run OpenVMS at all.  So would any B customers.  At a local Encompass meeting a year or so ago a Compaq> employee answered my question about running OpenVMS on ItaniumF hardware from other vendors with something along the lines of, "Not if@ we catch them at it!"  i.e. Compaq wanted to restrict it to just; running on their own hardware...as foolish as that idea is.w  C They obviously wanted to sell hardware, and considered the OS to be D just a way to do that.  They didn't see selling an OS on its own, toE run on hardware made by others, as a viable business.  Heck, look howtC poorly it's worked out for MicroSoft...and how well the proprietary6" hardware model worked for Apple...  F I don't know if HP has different ideas, but I'd love to hear what they have to say about the question..   -- Mike BartmanA@ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address.u%   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM...c@ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:20:45 GMTo* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32500 Message-ID: <1Bb1b.3029$B66.68@news.cpqcorp.net>  ) "Alan" <alan@nospam.com> wrote in messagei. news:bht3ra$adm$1$830fa7b3@news.demon.co.uk... >l >r1 > Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 ?   K Intel licenses their own systems designs to HP, Dell and other vendors, whorJ spray paint it with their favorite color and name plate.  For example, the? HP i2000 Itanium I system was basically a re-branded Intel box.r  L We also have a generic Intel Itanium II "Tiger" box, but have not yet bootedH VMS on this system.  We are slowly making the required changes, but thisK work is proceeding at a very low priority.  The generic Intel Itanium boxesIJ do not support IOTLB mapping registers, so all 32-bit PCI devices must useJ buffered DMA instead of direct DMA.  See the "ia-64 Linux Kernel" book for more information.   H One interesting aspect of the generic Intel boxes is to prevent VMS fromK becoming too dependant upon HP-specific IA-64 firmware.  Some EFI  and ACPIiG interfaces suffer from the Windows vs. Unix battle, so we would like to 0 support in VMS what ever interface is available.  F The generic Intel boxes also have a hardware debugger port, useful forK debugging bootstrap and other code when a software debugger (XDELTA) cannotr be used.  I If the Dell PowerEdge 3250 closely implements the Intel reference "Tiger"eI design, then it is likely that VMS may actually run on it some day. TheregK will likely be some limitations around IO device support due to the lack ofB IOTLBs.h  K I think most customer would be more interested in VMS on HP IA-64 SuperDomee, systems, rather then OEM-hacked Intel boxes.     Paul A. Jacobi Hewlett Packard Companya! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14  110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698n$ Email: Paul dot Jacobi at hp dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 17:52:15 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32503 Message-ID: <7zsD6l4selze@eisner.encompasserve.org>@  ] In article <1Bb1b.3029$B66.68@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com> writes:   & <snip useful information, thanks Paul>  M > I think most customer would be more interested in VMS on HP IA-64 SuperDomel. > systems, rather then OEM-hacked Intel boxes.  N There are a lot who have tight equipment budgets. Likewise for electric power.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Aug 2003 00:25:25 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.coml: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250+ Message-ID: <bi3ntl05o7@enews4.newsguy.com>   ) Paul A. Jacobi <nospan@nospam.com> wrote:dN > We also have a generic Intel Itanium II "Tiger" box, but have not yet bootedJ > VMS on this system.  We are slowly making the required changes, but thisM > work is proceeding at a very low priority.  The generic Intel Itanium boxes/L > do not support IOTLB mapping registers, so all 32-bit PCI devices must useL > buffered DMA instead of direct DMA.  See the "ia-64 Linux Kernel" book for > more information./  J I take it this would eventually be a good system for Hobbyist usage then? K I'm curious as I might eventually be able to get my hands on one of these. 0G I passed up the Itanium I boxes I had a chance to get, partially due to @ thier weight and size, partially as I didn't see a use for them.   		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2003 15:02:36 -0700' From: danthemanthatjams@yahoo.com (Dan)i Subject: Worms / OpenVMS BINDt= Message-ID: <a5de6471.0308211402.5878e11b@posting.google.com>   C FYI: Our DS10 running OpenVMS (7.3-1) Bind was overwhelmed today by D the worms because of massive DNS look-ups. However, this is no faultE of OpenVMS or TCPIP (HP/Compaq 5.3 ECO 2) services. I had the Pgflquo-F UAF variable on TCPIP$BIND's account set too low at 20,000. There wereF no problems after we increased it to 150,000. Big thanks to HP OpenVMS Support.  @   So, if your people are complaining that they can't access your@ servers from offsite, you may want to check your TCPIP$BIND bindD settings in the UAF and make sure they have plenty of elbow room. WeB puposely use Non-MS DNS servers and this is the first time we have ever had problems.  	 Dan Moore-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.463 ************************