1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 22 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 464       Contents:- Re: ??== Unicode client as Open VMS terminal.  Anyone buying Itanium Boxen ? ! Re: Anyone buying Itanium Boxen ? ! Re: Anyone buying Itanium Boxen ? ! Re: Anyone buying Itanium Boxen ? ! Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3 ! Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3 ! Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3  DCL Raise error   Re: decw$mwm change process name: Difficulties with DPW 500au and StorageWorks components...> RE: Difficulties with DPW 500au and StorageWorks components... Re: DSSI problem# Re: Encompass Members - Please Help  Re: Global Buffers and XFC HP's site for patches -- down?" Re: HP's site for patches -- down?# Re: London Transport moving off VMS 6 mail from openvms-info using compaq.com or digital.com: Re: mail from openvms-info using compaq.com or digital.com
 MOP server* Mount DQB0 gets 'allready allocated' error. Re: Mount DQB0 gets 'allready allocated' error. Re: Mount DQB0 gets 'allready allocated' error
 Re: Praxis
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 RE: Praxis
 Re: Praxis Re: SFTP Re: SFTP Re: Strange programming problem  Re: Strange programming problem ! Re: Tcl/Tk 8.3 or 8.4 for OpenVMS ! Re: Tcl/Tk 8.3 or 8.4 for OpenVMS / The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...) 3 Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...) 3 Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...) 3 Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...) ( Re: Unicode client as Open VMS terminal. Re: VMS License audits Re: VMS License audits/ Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10 / Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10 / Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10 / Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10 / Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 1 Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 12:00:08 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 6 Subject: Re: ??== Unicode client as Open VMS terminal.3 Message-ID: <dlHCZ5Atlz2z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <aus-F51DAF.18030120082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:D > Is it possible to tell Open VMS that the client terminal is using  > Unicode character code?    > B > I'm trying to use the Terminal in Mac OS X with German Umlautes.  H    You don't need Unicode to get an umlaute.  You need a better terminalH    emulator.   If you get the X server from Apple you can run a DECterm,4    and map one of the non-DECish keys to be Compose.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:40:03 -0400 & From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>& Subject: Anyone buying Itanium Boxen ?/ Message-ID: <vkc3spgrlock3d@news.supernews.com>   = We are starting to get offered the Itanium beasties  (RX2600)    Anyone biting?  J I personally think we should stick with Alpha for the next couple of years until HPI finds a way to screen print "Itanium III" over the Gold "EVx" etching :0)    --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.net    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 07:59:26 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: Anyone buying Itanium Boxen ?3 Message-ID: <4I2t1O6mtvPU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <vkc3spgrlock3d@news.supernews.com>, "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes:? > We are starting to get offered the Itanium beasties  (RX2600)  >  > Anyone biting?  L That probably depends on whether you are selling them with VMS preloaded :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:05:09 -0400 & From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>* Subject: Re: Anyone buying Itanium Boxen ?/ Message-ID: <vkc5bs418mde12@news.supernews.com>   
 Good point  
 We're not. DT  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:4I2t1O6mtvPU@eisner.encompasserve.org... : > In article <vkc3spgrlock3d@news.supernews.com>, "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: A > > We are starting to get offered the Itanium beasties  (RX2600)  > >  > > Anyone biting? > J > That probably depends on whether you are selling them with VMS preloaded :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:52:08 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG* Subject: Re: Anyone buying Itanium Boxen ?0 Message-ID: <00A24C1B.8CD71367@SendSpamHere.ORG>  X In article <vkc3spgrlock3d@news.supernews.com>, "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes:> >We are starting to get offered the Itanium beasties  (RX2600)  ) What are you offering them for pricewise?   F I'd really hate to invest the money into these first generation boxes.F I still recall the buying into the AlphaStation200s which were quickly' obsoleted by faster boxes for less $$$.    >Anyone biting?   E Talk to me about rental.  I will need one soon to get started porting  of apps.    K >I personally think we should stick with Alpha for the next couple of years 	 >until HP J >finds a way to screen print "Itanium III" over the Gold "EVx" etching :0)   Couldn't agree more...   --N VAXman- A bored certified VMS kernel mode hacker!     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:41:04 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> * Subject: Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3/ Message-ID: <vkblpihqhp5612@corp.supernews.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: _ > In article <bi34ok$qvr$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:  > :vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya) writes in article <eb8f4d7b.0308211019.251cb6c5@posting.google.com> dated 21 Aug 2003 11:19:05 -0700: ? > :>Do we still have the BG device limit of 10K  on TCPIP V5.3?  > : M > :Apparantly so.  My long-uptime systems have their BG device numbers in the < > :range 0..9999.  Running OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3-1, TCPIP 5.3.   > H >   The expected BGDRIVER-related 9999 unit limit increases won't arriveG >   any earlier than the TCP/IP Services V5.4 release.  If this feature H >   does officially make it into the V5.4 release, please then check theC >   documentation for associated configuration details and related.   D Hoff, your esteemed colleague Gerard Labadie kindly supplied me withD a very neat hack (in the good sense of the word) to enable more thanD 9999 BG devices to be created.  I never got round to testing it (the@ ECO 2 for TCP/IP Services v5.3 fixed the problem my customer wasC having at the time). Gerard himself tested the hack and it appeared C to work.  Of course, I realise that you (HP) would not proffer this  as a supported solution.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 06:24:08 -0700, From: vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya)* Subject: Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.3= Message-ID: <eb8f4d7b.0308220524.66aadc0d@posting.google.com>   d Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message news:<vkblpihqhp5612@corp.supernews.com>...F > Hoff, your esteemed colleague Gerard Labadie kindly supplied me withF > a very neat hack (in the good sense of the word) to enable more thanF > 9999 BG devices to be created.  I never got round to testing it (theB > ECO 2 for TCP/IP Services v5.3 fixed the problem my customer wasE > having at the time). Gerard himself tested the hack and it appeared E > to work.  Of course, I realise that you (HP) would not proffer this  > as a supported solution. >  > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd.   Roy,7 Would yow want to share the "hack" with the rest of us? C I have been affected with the BG device limit beacuse of the Bug in E TCP/IP code, that fails to deallocate the BG devices. With the result B i end up with thousands of BG devices allocated to the ORACLE PMON processes in the system.B Since i cannot apply the patch/fix to prod immidiately, your trickD might save me from restarting databases (or the entire node in worst# case :( ) in the middle of the day.    Regards,
 Vinit Adya   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 08:43:10 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: BG Device Limit on TCP/IP 5.33 Message-ID: <u+nsyIR4wzfi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <eb8f4d7b.0308220524.66aadc0d@posting.google.com>, vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya) writes:f > Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message news:<vkblpihqhp5612@corp.supernews.com>...G >> Hoff, your esteemed colleague Gerard Labadie kindly supplied me with G >> a very neat hack (in the good sense of the word) to enable more than G >> 9999 BG devices to be created.  I never got round to testing it (the C >> ECO 2 for TCP/IP Services v5.3 fixed the problem my customer was F >> having at the time). Gerard himself tested the hack and it appearedF >> to work.  Of course, I realise that you (HP) would not proffer this >> as a supported solution.  >>   >> Roy Omond >> Blue Bubble Ltd.  >  > Roy,9 > Would yow want to share the "hack" with the rest of us? E > I have been affected with the BG device limit beacuse of the Bug in G > TCP/IP code, that fails to deallocate the BG devices. With the result D > i end up with thousands of BG devices allocated to the ORACLE PMON > processes in the system.D > Since i cannot apply the patch/fix to prod immidiately, your trickF > might save me from restarting databases (or the entire node in worst% > case :( ) in the middle of the day.   F Why can't you apply a patch/fix to production immediately if you _can_4 use an unsupported undocumented hack on production ?   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 10:58:57 -07000 From: chris@townleyc.demon.co.uk (Chris Townley) Subject: DCL Raise error= Message-ID: <93b50805.0308220958.1536c12c@posting.google.com>   J Might seems a silly question, but is there an easy way to raise a specific
 error in DCL?    --  
 Chris Townley  chris AT townleyc  dot demon dot co uk    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 11:24:39 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: decw$mwm change process name 3 Message-ID: <ie0wEDgA9tQD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <1sZ%a.110109$6a3.3748300@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes:L > This is part of the design of how the OS operates.  You must have a UniqueN > process name to go along with the PID.  If it is not unique, it will add the= > _xxxx to it.  So, Either name it yourself, or live with it.   E    Almost.  The process name is only required to be unique to the UIC D    group, and there are ways to break this (get two processes by the     same name in the same group).  H    DECW$MWM.EXE wants to change its own process name.  That's by design.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 07:17:10 -0700 From: ohm62@hotmail.com (OHM) C Subject: Difficulties with DPW 500au and StorageWorks components... = Message-ID: <9d337b47.0308220617.7bef6a9e@posting.google.com>    Hello,  F I am trying to get the following pieces of DEC equipment to cooperate,- in order to build an OpenVMS hobbyist system:    o Hardware List: ----------------  
 1 X DPW 500au E 1 X Qlogic QLA1040 ultra wide single ended SCSI adaptor in the second  PCI slot (first is video card).   D 1 X DS-BA356-DP	  16 bits SCSI shelve (8 slots, 2 slots dedicated to redundant power modules). , 1 X BA-35X-MF     16 bits SCSI jumper board.D 1 X DS-BA35X-FB   Ultra wide single ended, dual port (split bus) I/O personality module. A 4 x FR-CECBA-CA   4.3Gb ultra wide 7200rpm hot swap SBBs on slots 	 #2,3,4,5.   D 1 X Compaq Ultra wide SCSI cable (with 68 pins and VHDSI connectors)   o Note that: ------------  E . On the personality module, all 4 switches for termination and all 7  switches for IDs are OFF. @ . The jumper board is set on the connector under the bottom fan,C behind slot 6 in the expansion box, for single bus configuration... A . A single cable connects the unique external port of the QLA1040 B adaptor to one of the 2 ports on the personality module (with thatE switch configuration, the bus is supposed to be internally terminated . when no cable attached to 2nd port, right?)...   o Now, the result: ------------------  C The SRM recognizes both the built-in QLA1040 and the alternate one,  which is cool...  D >>> SHOW CONFIG shows the internal disk attached to the built-in QLA adaptor, which is cool...   A Although the second QLA is recognized properly, *** None of the 4 7 disks in the expansion box linked to it are listed! ***   7 Does anyone have an idea of what I am doing wrong?  Any . incompatibility between the elements involved?  C Sigh! You guys are my last chance... I spent quite some time trying ? out things and hunting for information on the Internet... It is C becoming really difficult to find any proper documentation for this A kind of hardware on the web; most of the links lead to commercial ; sites trying to get rid of loose obsolete parts, with lousy F descriptions and most often unrealistic prices (god knows if they everA manage to sell any, with all imprecisions and inaccuraties in the 
 listings...).    Thanks for any hint!  
   -- Olivier.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:26:00 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> G Subject: RE: Difficulties with DPW 500au and StorageWorks components... 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEALHNAA.tom@kednos.com>   J Just went throught this.  Turn the first three switches on the personalityI module on, to set the upper range, it is most likely interfering with the G internal drives.  BTW, if you pop open those cannisters, you can put in  larger drives, e.g. 72GB   >-----Original Message----- % >From: OHM [mailto:ohm62@hotmail.com] & >Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:17 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComD >Subject: Difficulties with DPW 500au and StorageWorks components... >  >  >Hello,  > G >I am trying to get the following pieces of DEC equipment to cooperate, . >in order to build an OpenVMS hobbyist system: >  >o Hardware List:  >----------------  >  >1 X DPW 500auF >1 X Qlogic QLA1040 ultra wide single ended SCSI adaptor in the second  >PCI slot (first is video card). > E >1 X DS-BA356-DP	  16 bits SCSI shelve (8 slots, 2 slots dedicated to  >redundant power modules).- >1 X BA-35X-MF     16 bits SCSI jumper board. E >1 X DS-BA35X-FB   Ultra wide single ended, dual port (split bus) I/O  >personality module.B >4 x FR-CECBA-CA   4.3Gb ultra wide 7200rpm hot swap SBBs on slots
 >#2,3,4,5. > E >1 X Compaq Ultra wide SCSI cable (with 68 pins and VHDSI connectors)  > 
 >o Note that: 
 >------------  > G >.. On the personality module, all 4 switches for termination and all 7  >switches for IDs are OFF.B >.. The jumper board is set on the connector under the bottom fan,D >behind slot 6 in the expansion box, for single bus configuration...C >.. A single cable connects the unique external port of the QLA1040 C >adaptor to one of the 2 ports on the personality module (with that F >switch configuration, the bus is supposed to be internally terminated/ >when no cable attached to 2nd port, right?)...  >  >o Now, the result:  >------------------  > D >The SRM recognizes both the built-in QLA1040 and the alternate one, >which is cool...  > E >>>> SHOW CONFIG shows the internal disk attached to the built-in QLA  >adaptor, which is cool... > B >Although the second QLA is recognized properly, *** None of the 48 >disks in the expansion box linked to it are listed! *** > 8 >Does anyone have an idea of what I am doing wrong?  Any/ >incompatibility between the elements involved?  > D >Sigh! You guys are my last chance... I spent quite some time trying@ >out things and hunting for information on the Internet... It isD >becoming really difficult to find any proper documentation for thisB >kind of hardware on the web; most of the links lead to commercial< >sites trying to get rid of loose obsolete parts, with lousyG >descriptions and most often unrealistic prices (god knows if they ever B >manage to sell any, with all imprecisions and inaccuraties in the >listings...). >  >Thanks for any hint!  >  >  -- Olivier. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:54:39 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: Re: DSSI problem ' Message-ID: <bi53pu$2do$1@lore.csc.com>    Thierry Dussuet wrote: > G > From these 3, number 7 has the terminator and is on Bus 0. I've taken E > out the hard disk with the ID 3 to clean it, put it back in, and it F > stopped working.  SHOW DSSI shows the Busses, with ID's 6 and 7, but > nothing more. J > So... if it isn't the terminators and not the fuse either... Do you have > any ide what it could be?   G The DSSI backplanes are notoriously hard to seat a drive into, you may  G have to really push to make sure the back connector seats properly. If  F you noticed, the connector on the back of the drive has some movement F (or play) so it aligns. Just also make sure that the ribbon connector / hasn't got displaced out the back of the drive.   C I'd also try powering up with the drive with ID 3 pulled out. It's  D possible that a fault on the DSSI is stopping the other drives from  being seen.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at spamblock csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:00:50 -0600 ' From: "Dale E. Coy" <dalecoy@spinn.net> , Subject: Re: Encompass Members - Please Help/ Message-ID: <vkcj277dc6nac9@corp.supernews.com>   2 "Dale E. Coy" <dalecoy@spinn.net> wrote in message) news:vi10oon4ubaoa9@corp.supernews.com... K > I want to run for election to the Encompass Board of Directors this year.   G I appreciate the efforts of those who sent supporting petitions.  There ; weren't quite enough to get me on the ballot, but we tried.    Thanks!    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:30:18 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl># Subject: Re: Global Buffers and XFC 2 Message-ID: <bi4dav$agb$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Wil Marsh wrote:G > We are in the process of upgrading to VMS 7.3-1 from 7.2-2. Currently F > all of the production ISAM files have ample global buffers such thatF > the majority of reads are from data cached in the global buffers. WeF > are only using 30% of the memory, leaving lots of room for XFC to doG > its work. Our question is: Do we contiue to use the global buffers or F > let the production ISAM files use the XFC cache? We were told by ourH > Gold Support TAM to read the VMS 7.3 New Features manual section 5.12.B > This section makes reference to Record Locking enhancements with? > Global Buffer Reads, followed by the NO_Query_record locking. D > None of which answer our questions about using XFC with or without > global buffers. 4 > Thanks in advance for any input on this subject...  O When you try to imagine what is happening in both cases, the question is quite   easy to answer.   P With global buffers RMS is aware which parts of the files are loaded in memory, Q and does not have to issue any commands to disk drivers etc. to load those parts  M into its own buffers. Initial locking information has been exchanged between   cluster nodes etc.  O XFC caches are at least one level deeper, and which part of the file is cached  Q is unknown to RMS. So if RMS needs blocks that are in XFC cache, it still has to  O load those blocks in RMS buffers. For RMS there is no difference if the blocks  P are on disk or in XFC cache. RMS will have to exchange more locking information 1 with other nodes, before it can use those blocks.   , Conclusion: XFC = more work = more overhead.  L Increasing the amount of global buffers on your files might improve speed...   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:35:05 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)' Subject: HP's site for patches -- down? . Message-ID: <bi5gnp$fr8$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  G I'm getting to http://h71000.www7.hp.com/serv_support.html OK, but if I 3 click on http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/ or  H http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml I get timeouts.  K The DEC C compiler "Compaq C V6.4-008" is giving me a failed assertion, and A I want to see if there are any patches for it before I submit it.   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:59:44 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>+ Subject: Re: HP's site for patches -- down? @ Message-ID: <e0522dee622a8bfd8fbce03fa4fa0866@news.teranews.com>  . In article <bi5gnp$fr8$1@newslocal.mitre.org>,.  lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) wrote:  I > I'm getting to http://h71000.www7.hp.com/serv_support.html OK, but if I 5 > click on http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/ or  J > http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml I get timeouts. > M > The DEC C compiler "Compaq C V6.4-008" is giving me a failed assertion, and C > I want to see if there are any patches for it before I submit it.   G I get the timeouts as well.  Those pages should still work but the new   page is at  I <http://www1.itrc.hp.com/service/patch/search.do?pageContextName=openvms:  :>.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:47:26 +0100 ( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>, Subject: Re: London Transport moving off VMS9 Message-ID: <bi4i08$51dac$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>   ) > <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:  > 6 > >Microsoft cerebrates fifteen years of poor security, > >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11108A > >(VMS is alluded to but not mentioned by name in this article).  > J In the article I read VMS is explicitly mentioned by name (7 times) as theL hero of the hour, the one and only OS of those mentioned in the article that( does the job properly. extracts below...  2 It looks like the author both knows and likes VMS.   -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/             One K "As for secure operating systems, ask IBM users about the security of their E operating systems prior to AIX which itself introduced the usual Unix K problems. Or ask OpenVMS users about its security. Its bug list is still in G the low double digits after about 30 major and minor versions in its 25 I years, which is a sharp contrast to Microsoft's 130 problems in year 2000  alone!"          two and three J "OpenVMS is even more relevant to Microsoft because about 1989 it acquiredL about 20 software engineers from Digital's cancelled Prism project which wasD developing an operating system called Mica. These engineers were theI designers for Microsoft's NT and borrowed a large number of concepts from D OpenVMS, but unfortunately the security concepts were not included."         four and five G "BSD might be introducing it now but OpenVMS had even stronger and more G flexible protection on regions of memory from its very first release in I 1979. If my memory serves, OpenVMS wasn't even the first operating system I from Digital Equipment to have this feature but inherited it from the PDP L machines running RSTS, RSX or RT-11 and ironically it was these PDP machines' that were the first platform for Unix."          six L "On the matter of memory regions and their protection it is absolutely clearL that this technique needs to be applied and done so in a very strict fashionH with none of the stupidity of EXECUTE_READWRITE. I can do no better thanK suggest that Windows and Unix take a good look at how OpenVMS handles these E matters because it has the most effective system that I am aware of." 
         seven I " The method used by OpenVMS is one of separating the virtual memory into F regions, each with their own protection. At execution time the variousK program sections (PSECTs) are loaded into one of these regions into orderly J and defined areas, applying the protections specified for each PSECT as it6 does so. Thus data is separated from executable code."     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14/08/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:00:59 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>? Subject: mail from openvms-info using compaq.com or digital.com , Message-ID: <3f462221$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  G folks, if you get any email from openvms-info using a domain other than  hp.com delete it..  H this new virus spreads by spoofing the sender email address and using an" address out of their address book.  F It is not possible to send email from @compaq.com or @digital.com fromE inside HP. I've gotten about 50 'you sent me a virus' replies (mostly H automated) to the openvms-info mail account. I haven't sent more than 10# messages on that account this week.   1 just a word to those that don't want infections..   L but if you get the mail on your OpenVMS sytems, please open, read, dump, etc" cause it ain't going to hurt you..   -warren    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:52:00 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>C Subject: Re: mail from openvms-info using compaq.com or digital.com @ Message-ID: <419794592ca678a96d5d0ab2e2180dcc@news.teranews.com>  , In article <3f462221$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>,.  "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote:  I > folks, if you get any email from openvms-info using a domain other than  > hp.com delete it.. > J > this new virus spreads by spoofing the sender email address and using an$ > address out of their address book.  H It's worse than that.  The current SOBIG variant scans the local drives B of an infected PC, extracting e-mail addresses from assorted file D types, including .html and .txt.  So it's probably not getting your C address from someone's address book but rather from locally stored  F release notes or documentation or just web pages that someone happens F to still have in their browser cache from viewing your pages recently.  G As far as not being able to send mail from digital.com from within hp,  F that would be true if port 25 is blocked at your firewall, but if the F filtering is done by your smtp servers that wouldn't help because the H virus includes its own smtp service.  Most likely, though, it's someone D outside hp who has the infected machine that is generating the mail.  H I've been getting somewhere between a dozen and a hundred SOBIG-related A messages per hour for the last few days simply because my e-mail  * address appears in the Perl documentation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:44:13 +0200 ; From: "Pawel Jaskorzynski" <pawelRE-MO-VE@jaskorzynski.net>  Subject: MOP server / Message-ID: <bi4vm8$g2l$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>   	 Hi there, A does anybody know about a MOP server running on a w2k/XP machine?    Thanks,  PJ   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:34:31 +0200 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>3 Subject: Mount DQB0 gets 'allready allocated' error - Message-ID: <bi4nnm$fpn13@doiweb4.wob.vw.vwg>   g I try to mount a CDROM (DQB0) on a DS10 and get the 'device already allocated to another user' - error, - though SHOW DEV /FULL display an empty owner:    $ allo dqb0 < %SYSTEM-W-DEVALLOC, device already allocated to another user    $  moun/over=id/media=cdrom dqb09 %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, device already allocated to another user H %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, device _$1$DQB0: (QAK01) is not available for mounting.   $ sh dev dqb0/fu  , Locks queued to device lock "SYS$_$1$DQB0:":  v     - Lock 7A002A8A,  length of items 00180018,  $ENQ status 00000001, value block 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000a     -   LOCKID     PID      SYSID   (node)     REMLKID  REMSYSID           RQMODE  GRMODE   STATE x     -  7A002A8A  000060B5  00000000 ()        7A002A8A  00000000 ()          00      00     01     [ NL / NL / GRANTED ]  N Disk $1$DQB0: (QAK01), device type Compaq  CRD-8402B, is online, file-orientedG      device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.   P      Error count                    0    Operations completed                907P      Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]P      Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WP      Reference count                1    Default buffer size                 512P      Total blocks             1290232    Sectors per track                     8P      Total cylinders            40320    Tracks per cylinder                   4%      Allocation class               1    PID 60B5 is myself.   , Has somebody the same problem or a solution?   --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards     Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de - mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 06:19:47 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: Re: Mount DQB0 gets 'allready allocated' error 3 Message-ID: <P$Kb5y5wOUJu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <bi4nnm$fpn13@doiweb4.wob.vw.vwg>, Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> writes:  i > I try to mount a CDROM (DQB0) on a DS10 and get the 'device already allocated to another user' - error, / > though SHOW DEV /FULL display an empty owner:   K Are you certain you don't have two drives both called DQB0 in the cluster ?   D I presume you have a cluster since you are using allocation classes.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 07:01:50 -0700, From: vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya)7 Subject: Re: Mount DQB0 gets 'allready allocated' error = Message-ID: <eb8f4d7b.0308220601.370505d3@posting.google.com>   " try lookig at the locking process:   sh proc/id=000060B5/conti   # kill the process if u dont like it. ! that should resolve the problem.  D My guess is, someone allocated the device, forgot to deallocate, and is still logged in.    Regards,
 Vinit Adya    o Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> wrote in message news:<bi4nnm$fpn13@doiweb4.wob.vw.vwg>... i > I try to mount a CDROM (DQB0) on a DS10 and get the 'device already allocated to another user' - error, / > though SHOW DEV /FULL display an empty owner:  > 
 > $ allo dqb0 > > %SYSTEM-W-DEVALLOC, device already allocated to another user > " > $  moun/over=id/media=cdrom dqb0; > %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, device already allocated to another user J > %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, device _$1$DQB0: (QAK01) is not available for mounting. >  > $ sh dev dqb0/fu > . > Locks queued to device lock "SYS$_$1$DQB0:": > x >     - Lock 7A002A8A,  length of items 00180018,  $ENQ status 00000001, value block 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000c >     -   LOCKID     PID      SYSID   (node)     REMLKID  REMSYSID           RQMODE  GRMODE   STATE z >     -  7A002A8A  000060B5  00000000 ()        7A002A8A  00000000 ()          00      00     01     [ NL / NL / GRANTED ] > P > Disk $1$DQB0: (QAK01), device type Compaq  CRD-8402B, is online, file-orientedI >      device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.  > R >      Error count                    0    Operations completed                907R >      Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]R >      Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WR >      Reference count                1    Default buffer size                 512R >      Total blocks             1290232    Sectors per track                     8R >      Total cylinders            40320    Tracks per cylinder                   4' >      Allocation class               1  >  > PID 60B5 is myself.  > . > Has somebody the same problem or a solution? >  > -- 0 > - > mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards= > " > Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam& > Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig > G > mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.dey/ > mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.deI   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 06:34:38 -0700.& From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net> Subject: Re: Praxisc+ Message-ID: <bi566s08lc@enews2.newsguy.com>e  E Actually, it is rich in dylithium crystals, necessary for warp drive eE engines.  The mines are said to be hazardous and unhealthy places to s work in.   Engage!o   Tc   Jeff Cameron wrote:sJ > On 8/21/03 3:00 PM, in article 3F454100.5090400@MMaz.com, "Barry Treahy, > Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:g >  > 5 >>Anyone recall Praxis and where that can be located?l >> >>Barryv >> >> > L > Yes, it is a moon rich in deuterium, and can be located around the Klingon > homeworld of Kronos. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:07:58 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>b Subject: Re: Praxisg' Message-ID: <3F463FDE.9030407@MMaz.com>o  ( I see the list still has their Trekkie's  $ Wasn't what I had in mind though :-)   Barry.   Tom Crabtree wrote:   G > Actually, it is rich in dylithium crystals, necessary for warp drive SG > engines.  The mines are said to be hazardous and unhealthy places to c
 > work in. >p	 > Engage!i >. > T  >  > Jeff Cameron wrote:  >eK >> On 8/21/03 3:00 PM, in article 3F454100.5090400@MMaz.com, "Barry Treahy,o  >> Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote: >> >>7 >>> Anyone recall Praxis and where that can be located?o >>>w	 >>> Barry  >>>  >>>1 >>F >> Yes, it is a moon rich in deuterium, and can be located around the 
 >> Klingon >> homeworld of Kronos.l >> >S >4   --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:08:21 -0700r# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a Subject: RE: Praxis 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEAOHNAA.tom@kednos.com>a  C Why do you want it?  I ahven't heard of anybody using for ~20 years    >-----Original Message-----e1 >From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@MMaz.com]n& >Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:08 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: Praxis >a >S) >I see the list still has their Trekkie'se >n% >Wasn't what I had in mind though :-)t >  >Barry >  >Tom Crabtree wrote: >hG >> Actually, it is rich in dylithium crystals, necessary for warp driveEG >> engines.  The mines are said to be hazardous and unhealthy places to2 >> work in.: >>
 >> Engage! >> >> T >> >> Jeff Cameron wrote: >>L >>> On 8/21/03 3:00 PM, in article 3F454100.5090400@MMaz.com, "Barry Treahy,! >>> Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:f >>>t >>>a8 >>>> Anyone recall Praxis and where that can be located? >>>>
 >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> >>>oF >>> Yes, it is a moon rich in deuterium, and can be located around the >>> Klingont >>> homeworld of Kronos. >>>- >> >> >  >--r >s? >Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.coma? >Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320t? >Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028- >- >  >e >2 >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.o; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).BA >Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003a >c ---k& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Aug 03 19:38:53 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: Praxis0) Message-ID: <8s0IaGrnWx2B@elias.decus.ch>r  c In article <QHw5Kbgz38xp@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:cW > In article <3F454100.5090400@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:n6 >> Anyone recall Praxis and where that can be located? > D > Praxis is the company that implements the SPARK Inspector to allowG > Ada programs to be (even) safer.  Rod Chapman of Praxis (from the UK)t# > is quite active in comp.lang.ada.n > C > Google gives other references to the word Praxis, some in German.p  + die Praxis : practice, practical experience-  J also used in the same sense as English in for example "a medical practice"   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 11:58:20 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: Re: SFTP"3 Message-ID: <Izg5D0v$VIc0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <Pine.NEB.4.56.0308201205050.28178@panix3.panix.com>, Mike Freeman <k7uij@nospam.panix.com> writes: > Greetings. > J > The electric utility for which I work obtains a fair amount of data fromJ > the Internet via ftp using command procedures.  We have UCX installed soG > are using its ftp client.  One of the sites from which we get data isrI > shifting to use of SFTP (as in the UNIX SFTP).  Is there a client whichf9 > will run under VAX/VMS which can handle SFTP transfers?c    pE    Switch to Multinet?  Actually I thought I read something about therA    Multinet client being installable under UCX.  Check with them.A   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:17:11 -0600t% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>  Subject: Re: SFTP A Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030822111548.01aebf28@raptor.psccos.com>   ) At 10:58 AM 8/22/2003, Bob Koehler wrote: G >In article <Pine.NEB.4.56.0308201205050.28178@panix3.panix.com>, Mike  ) >Freeman <k7uij@nospam.panix.com> writes:o > > Greetings. > >eL > > The electric utility for which I work obtains a fair amount of data fromL > > the Internet via ftp using command procedures.  We have UCX installed soI > > are using its ftp client.  One of the sites from which we get data isCK > > shifting to use of SFTP (as in the UNIX SFTP).  Is there a client whichi; > > will run under VAX/VMS which can handle SFTP transfers?7 >1G >    Switch to Multinet?  Actually I thought I read something about therC >    Multinet client being installable under UCX.  Check with them.e  H You must have a proper license for it to run or it disables itself.  YouG can purchase the SSH for OpenVMS product from Process Software, that isi' a complete SSH/SCP/SFTP implementation.o     ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 11:40:04 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Strange programming problem3 Message-ID: <1e8gO6woI4qW@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  f In article <bhsihk$sde$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:U > In article <vk36fu1k4v081e@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: 6 >>Christoph Gartmann <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote:P >>: closing the file again). This modified program doesn't show the problem evenL >>: when compiled with /NOCHECK/NODEBUG. Using /NOOPTIMIZE doesn't help, theS >>: program works only either without the two qualifiers or with the qualifiers andtQ >>: the logfile statements. Thus, what could be the cause? What else could I try?   A    IIRC you said the program is eing started via DECnet?  Is it aeE    defined task?  Generally you can change the task from an .exe filecD    to a .com file and add settings for such things as process dumps,D    defining (and capturing) SYS$ERROR, possibly other usefull stuff.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 11:42:43 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h( Subject: Re: Strange programming problem3 Message-ID: <9aYZsqtITpCC@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  c In article <PlCvzePncO0P@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:nj > In article <bhvti7$3o9g8$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:; >> In article <1lu4kv0vfch61nnqn44ehtdtp5arqs440m@4ax.com>,i4 >> 	Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes:F >>> C is famous for stuff like this...uninitialized pointers, danglingF >>> pointers, array out of bounds, bad pointer arithmetic, etc., etc., >> sH >> It's a poor workman who blames his tools.  Bad programming is not theI >> fault of the language.  Remember, COBOL, by design, didn't have range-e >> checking either.O  E    Fortran wasn't designed to do it either, but good compiler writers     added it as a debug option.  D > From what I know of Cobol, it is quite amenable to range checking.A > The use of null-terminated strings in C prevents such automatic> > compiler safeguards.  B    Not completely prevents, as the current DEC C compiler has themC    (and about time).  Just makes it easier to hide range violationsf    form the compiler.c   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 01:19:37 -0700- From: pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis)t* Subject: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.3 or 8.4 for OpenVMS= Message-ID: <e54adf36.0308220019.46659acf@posting.google.com>t   Jouk-i  + emailing to your adddress was denied by then" MAILER-DAEMON@mailhost1.tudelft.nl  @ Thank you for your reply and it looks like that you have done an* impressive job in porting apps to OpenVMS.  E I have a SERIOUS problem accessing any of the files mentioned in your F web page. FTPing the address nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl is being denied, soF I have no way of accessing these files. If you could be kind enough toD either look at it or send me the tcltk patches for OpenVMS by email, it would be greatly   a JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote in message news:<3F44C90E.5060106@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>...  > Petros Dafniotis wrote:-G > > I am aware of at least two ports of Tcl/Tk 8.0p2 to OpenVMS which Ip& > > have been using quite extensively. > > > > > Is anyone working on Tcl/Tk port (v8.3 or 8.4) to OpenVMS? > > I > I compiled 8.4.4. I still have to do a lot of testing. So do not expecti' > that everything works out of the box.h- > Details of how I did it are on my web-page:.- >   http://www.nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/a >  >               Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:09:53 +0200,' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>c* Subject: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.3 or 8.4 for OpenVMS* Message-ID: <bi4q5g$h7b$1@news.tudelft.nl>   Petros Dafniotis wrote:y > Jouk-s > - > emailing to your adddress was denied by thet$ > MAILER-DAEMON@mailhost1.tudelft.nl< At the moment I'm victim of the Sobig.F virus which feeds my9 VMS-cluster with hundreds of mails per hour from all overjD the world. This mail-host should buffer those E-mails at the moment.8 I do not know why you are  denied. Does it not tell You?       > B > Thank you for your reply and it looks like that you have done an, > impressive job in porting apps to OpenVMS. > G > I have a SERIOUS problem accessing any of the files mentioned in yourQH > web page. FTPing the address nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl is being denied, soH > I have no way of accessing these files. If you could be kind enough toF > either look at it or send me the tcltk patches for OpenVMS by email, > it would be greatly C Up to this morning my machines had problems with SMTP. Can you try sI again? Just plain FTP to my machine and login as anonymous should always o work.                            Jouk   >    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 08:56:37 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s8 Subject: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...)3 Message-ID: <8gGDuoQ4cqrz@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  g In article <3F46166E.37516231@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:n >  >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: >>   >> Alan wrote: >> >4 >> > Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 ? >> > >> nM >> Why skimp on hardware costs when you have the lowest TCO, best reliabilitya% >> and best security in the business?t >> s > G > OK, that was my knee jerk reaction, before I discovered that recentlyt6 > Dell lowered server costs while HP raised them :-).  >     @ 	That is because Dell is not your typical business.  Not typical> 	at all.  Today's Wall Street Journal has a very good analysis 	tucked in an article:  8 	"Mr. Reynolds [chief forecaster at Gartner] says highly= 	competitive companies such as Dell Inc. are surviving [ha!   ? 	they are surviving!] on gross profit margins of about 16%, andc< 	pulling the whole business down closer to that level.  "You@ 	can see what Dell is doing to the industry," Mr. Reynolds says.  @ 	One disappointment came this week as computer and printer maker= 	Hewlett-Packard Co. reported weaker-than-expected quarterly e> 	earnings.  One reason was price-cutting forced by competition; 	with rivals such as Dell, H-P warned that earnings for the < 	current quarter could suffer as well.  Its stock, which hadA 	doubled since October, fell 10% the day after the announcement."-   				Wall Street Journal  				Friday, August 22, 20030 				Page A6m  C 	Dell is content to stay at or about 16% margins.  When they wrenchdC 	more effeciencies, they pass it on to the consumer.  ConventiionalAG 	wisdom might say:  "why not increase margins?"  They are quite contentc< 	with their margins and will rip market share - continually.  D 	This is why you see Sun stock languishing.  Sun has little hope butD 	to slash and slash.  Is HP immune?  Obviously not, slash they must.  C 	Dell is quite unique.  Imagine if a car manufacturer kept loweringnA 	prices as they wrenched effiecncies out of their suppliers?  BadbD 	analogy?  Alright.  But Dell gets sweetheart Intel prices, dictatesD 	to their suppliers, etc.  Itanium?  Deltel will make it fly, right?   				Robo   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:16:15 -0700i+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> < Subject: Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...)' Message-ID: <3F4641CF.5020806@MMaz.com>.   Rob Young wrote:  D >	Dell is content to stay at or about 16% margins.  When they wrenchD >	more effeciencies, they pass it on to the consumer.  ConventiionalH >	wisdom might say:  "why not increase margins?"  They are quite content= >	with their margins and will rip market share - continually.p >    >sI Dell has put out consistent quality products and has made money at that, HG you can't fault a business model that has allowed them to achieve what o= they have done in the PC sector.  The fact that our high-end cI environments have been migrating toward that same sector isn't the fault eB of Dell, but rather the technological and marketing leadership of  Digital/Compaq/HP.  D >	Dell is quite unique.  Imagine if a car manufacturer kept loweringB >	prices as they wrenched effiecncies out of their suppliers?  Bad >	analogy?  Alright.   >iF No, actually, I just spotted a week or so in Fortune I believe, a new D car company starting up that is basically built on the Dell model!  + It'll be interesting to see what happens...   0 >But Dell gets sweetheart Intel prices, dictatesE >	to their suppliers, etc.  Itanium?  Deltel will make it fly, right?a >    >cC And the king of distribution doesn't?  Name one thing that Walmart *F makes, you can't, yet they are the worlds biggest company and they do I that by only selling what sells, and the lowest price the can twist from iE their suppliers...  Regardless of what PC folks want to admit, price h? does matter when what is under the hood is basically the same..o  E If I had a choice of running VMS on a Dell or a HP, I wouldn't think d twice, Dell!   Barryo   -- h  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:04:30 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> < Subject: Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...)0 Message-ID: <bi5ieu$6ni$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:i > In article <3F46166E.37516231@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:g >  >> >>Tim Llewellyn wrote: >> >>>Alan wrote: >>>l3 >>>>Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 ?- >>>> >>>rM >>>Why skimp on hardware costs when you have the lowest TCO, best reliability:% >>>and best security in the business?$ >>>@ >>G >>OK, that was my knee jerk reaction, before I discovered that recentlye6 >>Dell lowered server costs while HP raised them :-).  >> >  >  > B > 	That is because Dell is not your typical business.  Not typical@ > 	at all.  Today's Wall Street Journal has a very good analysis > 	tucked in an article: > : > 	"Mr. Reynolds [chief forecaster at Gartner] says highly? > 	competitive companies such as Dell Inc. are surviving [ha!  aA > 	they are surviving!] on gross profit margins of about 16%, ando> > 	pulling the whole business down closer to that level.  "YouB > 	can see what Dell is doing to the industry," Mr. Reynolds says. >   < Comparing Dell with say IBM and Sun it rather like comparing Walmart with Nabisco.   5 Dell is a distributor, IBM and Sun are manufacturers.d  6 HP is in the unfortunate position of being neither one6 nor the other though its clear that HP would prefer to
 be like Dell.a  B > 	One disappointment came this week as computer and printer maker? > 	Hewlett-Packard Co. reported weaker-than-expected quarterly 1@ > 	earnings.  One reason was price-cutting forced by competition= > 	with rivals such as Dell, H-P warned that earnings for thec> > 	current quarter could suffer as well.  Its stock, which hadC > 	doubled since October, fell 10% the day after the announcement."  >  > 				Wall Street Journals > 				Friday, August 22, 2003 
 > 				Page A6e > E > 	Dell is content to stay at or about 16% margins.  When they wrench E > 	more effeciencies, they pass it on to the consumer.  Conventiional-I > 	wisdom might say:  "why not increase margins?"  They are quite contentM> > 	with their margins and will rip market share - continually. > F > 	This is why you see Sun stock languishing.  Sun has little hope but > 	to slash and slash.   > ? If you weren't comparing a manufacturer with a distributor thenlB this might be a valid point but as usual it falls into the general, case for your arguments of being irrelevant.  1  > Is HP immune?  Obviously not, slash they must.m  B It depends on what HP want's to be a distributor or a manufacturerE you cannot expect HP to be able to compete with Dell on say inventoryW5 turns because HP still makes things and Dell doesn't.7  G But part of HP's problem is that they are committed to being the numberoF one PC vendor etc, thats what the HP board claimed would be the resultC of the merger to their shareholders and you don't want the board toi have lied do you.o  D Sun isn't in the PC business so I cannot comment from our standpointA but it is clear that IBM takes a totally different view. PC's areeE something that IBM do becasue they need to have PC's in their productaA portfolio not because they want to be the number one PC vendor orv9 to make big bucks out of PC's. They are a necessary evil.p    E > 	Dell is quite unique.  Imagine if a car manufacturer kept loweringdC > 	prices as they wrenched effiecncies out of their suppliers?  BadeF > 	analogy?  Alright.  But Dell gets sweetheart Intel prices, dictatesF > 	to their suppliers, etc.  Itanium?  Deltel will make it fly, right? >   9 Dell isn't unique,  many retailers operate on the sort of  margins that Dell does.a   regardsl Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 12:49:38 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)e< Subject: Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...)3 Message-ID: <GZ3sVm7j6VtA@eisner.encompasserve.org>-   In article <bi5ieu$6ni$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:  F >> 	Dell is quite unique.  Imagine if a car manufacturer kept loweringD >> 	prices as they wrenched effiecncies out of their suppliers?  BadG >> 	analogy?  Alright.  But Dell gets sweetheart Intel prices, dictatesvG >> 	to their suppliers, etc.  Itanium?  Deltel will make it fly, right?i >>   > ; > Dell isn't unique,  many retailers operate on the sort off > margins that Dell does.  >  	tC 	Implied:   "within the computer industry."  To suggest that no ones> 	else anywhere in the world runs their business similar to the% 	way Dell does, wouldn't be accurate.M   				RobC   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:48:08 +0200p$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>1 Subject: Re: Unicode client as Open VMS terminal.a9 Message-ID: <bi4vjs$59qrt$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>t  ' On 22-Aug-2003 07:54, Paul Sture wrote:t  p > In article <aus-F51DAF.18030120082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:E >> Is it possible to tell Open VMS that the client terminal is using t >> Unicode character code?   >> " >  > Not as far as I know.m > C >> I'm trying to use the Terminal in Mac OS X with German Umlautes.i  A Can you set the terminal (emulator?) characteristics on your Mac?o   > D > Before talking about VMS connections, can you even get Terminal to. > respond to _any_ of the accented characters? > G > I have a Swiss German keyboard here and Terminal simply locks up if I H > try those characters (hitting space unlocks the keyboard at that point > BTW).V > = > FWIW, I have mentioned this problem on several occasions in H > comp.sys.mac.system over the past 15 months and so far nobody has come: > up with a decent answer. It is a serious deficiency IMO. > F > A general question here folks. I know that in Motif/CDE/DECwindows IG > can select, for example "ISO Latin 1", but coming in from a differentmG > platform via telnet, SSH, whatever, what are the legitimate ones thath > VMS recognizes?s  = According to the "DCL Dictionary, Part II" only "ISO Latin 1"b (ISO-8859-1?) will be valid.  F I suppose you have already experimented with the various qualifiers ofF "SET TERMINAL", i.e. "/[NO]INQUIRE", "/DEC_CRT=value" ("3" setting theB terminal to the "ISO Latin 1" character set), "/DEVICE_TYPE=type", "/EIGHT_BIT", "/FALLBACK", ...   MichaelX   -- i; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.e@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.i= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 07:34:21 -0700, From: vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya) Subject: Re: VMS License auditst= Message-ID: <eb8f4d7b.0308220634.362abf00@posting.google.com>   l Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3F40F9D0.9F39DC92@blueyonder.co.uk>... > Nic Clews wrote: > >  > > Rolona wrote:r > > >c& > > > Any contact details for a quote? > > >  > > K > > I had a little bit of feedback on this line, send me a private email toe( > > the address at the bottom of my sig. > > F > > I should disclaim here, that there may well also be others on thisJ > > newsgroup capable and as not to show favouritism, make yourself known! > L > I went thru this exercise for a previous client in 97-98, pre Compaq days.L > I would dispute that Digital/Compaq/HP always know exactly what the client > has purchased. > K > Rolona,  please contact me via email if interested in discussing further. # > I am currently (still) available.t > 	 > regardsi    F I must say, HP/COMPAQ helped us a lot after 9/11, when we lost all ourE Paper Licenses. I have more than 80% of my PAKs, traced and duplicate ! PAKs issued within a months time.f   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:57:08 GMTy4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: VMS License auditso0 Message-ID: <3F462D67.552D6DD8@blueyonder.co.uk>   Vinit Adya wrote:o  d > H > I must say, HP/COMPAQ helped us a lot after 9/11, when we lost all ourG > Paper Licenses. I have more than 80% of my PAKs, traced and duplicater# > PAKs issued within a months time.i  A were third party resellers involved in the original acquisitions?tD Maybe it was just one reseller in the north of England that had this issue?  L Admitedly Digital/Compaq were quite understanding about lost paper licenses,B originally and mistakenly given to the application users for care.   regardsv   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:56:11 +0200i From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>8 Subject: Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds102 Message-ID: <bi4bba$6mq$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > rok@nuk.uni-lj.si wrote: > * >>"Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: >> >>>Has anyone tried this?a >> >> Yes.s >> >> >>>If so, did it work ?  >>3 >> VDDRIVER: no. LDDRIVER: no. (RAID$DPDRIVER: no.)n< >>I was not able to use my DS10L's disk or virtual disk with9 >>container file on IDE disk as shadow member in cluster.g >  >  > O.k. Here we go... > 5 > What does (the equivalent of) "does not work" mean?  >  > What happened? > + > What error messages (if any) did you get?2 > F > (Hint: Count on these questions being asked, and answer them in your > initial post.) >   N I haven't tried IDE shadowing yet. although I am planning to do so, the disks 
 are there.  Q However I can confirm problems with the LD driver. Existing container files work nQ fine (they came from SCSI disks), but I'm having problems creating new container fQ   files. The disk activity led will light up constantly, and after a short while  O the DecWindows terminal session as well as DecWindows-Motif itself will freeze oM (!!) and no telnbet session will be possible either. The only way to get the   system running again is reboot.a  P I wrote a message to Jur v.d. Burg (who wrote the LD driver), but he is away at 5 the moment and will not return for a couple of weeks.   / Perhaps the IDE driver needs some more work ???d   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 22 Aug 03 10:56:51 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.sii8 Subject: Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10$ Message-ID: <3f45f6fa@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>   Dirk Munk wrote:   >David J. Dachtera wrote:a >> rok@nuk.uni-lj.si wrote:  >>+ >>>"Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes:n >>>l >>>>Has anyone tried this? >>>s >>> Yes. >>>c >>>>If so, did it work ? >>>o4 >>> VDDRIVER: no. LDDRIVER: no. (RAID$DPDRIVER: no.)= >>>I was not able to use my DS10L's disk or virtual disk with : >>>container file on IDE disk as shadow member in cluster. >> >> O.k. Here we go...u  0  Oh, dear, I will have to run these tests again.  6 >> What does (the equivalent of) "does not work" mean? >> >> What happened?  >>, >> What error messages (if any) did you get?    From DS10L itself:M  * $ mount/system dsa9/shadow=$2$DQB0: BADPAR& %MOUNT-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value    From another cluster member:g  * $ mount/system dsa9/shadow=$2$DQB0: BADPAR* %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, BADPAR mounted on _DSA9:P %MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMSUCC, _$2$DQB0: (RVDSXL) is now a valid member of the shadow set    The dsa9 seems to be usable.r   $ dismount dsa9o+ $ mount/cluster dsa9/shadow=$2$DQB0: BADPARv* %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, BADPAR mounted on _DSA9:P %MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMSUCC, _$2$DQB0: (RVDSXL) is now a valid member of the shadow set: %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _DSA9: failed to mount on node RVDSXL& -MOUNT-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value  D  Seems to me that MSCP makes the difference. DSA9 seems to be usable? from all other cluster members but the disk's host. From there:$   $ sho dev dsa9/fulla  L Disk DSA9:, device type Generic SCSI disk, is online, mounted, file-orientedM     device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled, device0)     supports bitmaps (no bitmaps active).0   $ sho dev $2$DQB0:/fullP  J Disk $2$DQB0: (RVDSXL), device type WDC AC12500L, is online, file-orientedI     device, shareable, member of a shadow set on a remote node, served to 6     cluster via MSCP Server, error logging is enabled.  G >> (Hint: Count on these questions being asked, and answer them in your  >> initial post.)e    Oh, dear :)  D >I haven't tried IDE shadowing yet. although I am planning to do so, >the disks are there.e > F >However I can confirm problems with the LD driver. Existing containerE >files work fine (they came from SCSI disks), but I'm having problemsDC >creating new container  files. The disk activity led will light up D >constantly, and after a short while the DecWindows terminal sessionC >as well as DecWindows-Motif itself will freeze (!!) and no telnbetT@ >session will be possible either. The only way to get the system >running again is reboot.l  @ OpenVMS V7.3-1? It comes with some LD components and you are not' supposed to install LD063 on top of it.r5  To make new container file on IDE disk, did you try:r  1 $ copy nl: container_file/contiguous/allocate=nnne   Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461-; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464l Slovenia   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:24:44 -0400 & From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>8 Subject: Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds10/ Message-ID: <vkc3035giu149d@news.supernews.com>@  I Nic XXXXX (not sure if he wants his name thrown around) told me yesterdayh thatJ this isn't a problem as long as you have the two IDE disks on separate IDE buses.0 (DS10x has two but PWS/XP1000 etc only have one)   We're gonna try it this morningl   DT        1 "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in messagec) news:vk9l0l6tvsed4f@news.supernews.com...- > Has anyone tried this? > If so, did it work ? >. > DT >h > -- o > David B Turner! > Island Computers US Corporationy > 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  > Savannah GA 314043 > Tel: 912 447 6622e > Fax: 912 201 0402a > Email: dbturner@hpaq.net > http://www.hpaq.net  >  >l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:52:49 GMTg% From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com>f8 Subject: Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds101 Message-ID: <Rep1b.3093$DB6.966@news.cpqcorp.net>d   It is not supportede seee2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2729/SP2729PF.PDF   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 11:50:38 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)O8 Subject: Re: volume shadowing with 2 x IDE disks on Ds103 Message-ID: <rwQQK6IDhZ4A@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  Y In article <Rep1b.3093$DB6.966@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com> writes:  > It is not supportedU > seeR4 > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2729/SP2729PF.PDF  > What line in that document makes you say it is not supported ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:19:06 GMT$4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32500 Message-ID: <3F46166E.37516231@blueyonder.co.uk>   Tim Llewellyn wrote: > 
 > Alan wrote:0 > > 3 > > Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 ?1 > >[ > L > Why skimp on hardware costs when you have the lowest TCO, best reliability$ > and best security in the business? >   E OK, that was my knee jerk reaction, before I discovered that recentlyr4 Dell lowered server costs while HP raised them :-).           -- 9 tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:10:31 GMTe& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32508 Message-ID: <oq8ckvseodnf88kgrqtkkn0ms6vs8ta3d3@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:38:13 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy8. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:     > : >Dell needs some formal mechanism probably with supporting6 >test suites to allow them to certify OpenVMS on their
 >platform. >b= >Without this Dell could try OpenVMS on an Itanium Poweredege 9 >but there would be no certainty that OpenVMS was running  >correctly.  >	= >The best example I can give you is Solaris x86. Sun suppliesm> >and supports it on our own x86 boxes and but we also supply a; >Hardware Certification Test Suite to 3rd party x86 systemse8 >vendors which they can use to self certify their system >with Solaris x86.  G I suspect the difference might be that the customers would, ultimately,yE expect HP to generate patches/fixes for any issues that crop on those.G 3rd-party systems.  I've seen similar expectations with other 3rd-party . hardware connected to current OpenVMS systems.  K Note, too, that if they were adding said systems into a VMScluster with (orrJ even without) HP systems, this could get very tricky, and very complicated to qualify.>  B If you consider standalone systems, it's much simpler of course.     ------------------------------    Date: 22 Aug 2003 11:47:49 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)0: Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32503 Message-ID: <o01VeaVxrAwa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <bht3ra$adm$1$830fa7b3@news.demon.co.uk>, Alan <alan@nospam.com> writes:a >  > 1 > Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 3250 ?y      Buy one and let us know.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:07:42 +0100pO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> : Subject: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 run on a Dell PowerEdge 32500 Message-ID: <bi5iku$6ni$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:G > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:38:13 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  > ; >>Dell needs some formal mechanism probably with supporting>7 >>test suites to allow them to certify OpenVMS on their  >>platform.h >>> >>Without this Dell could try OpenVMS on an Itanium Poweredege: >>but there would be no certainty that OpenVMS was running >>correctly. >>> >>The best example I can give you is Solaris x86. Sun supplies? >>and supports it on our own x86 boxes and but we also supply am< >>Hardware Certification Test Suite to 3rd party x86 systems9 >>vendors which they can use to self certify their systema >>with Solaris x86.o >  > I > I suspect the difference might be that the customers would, ultimately,hG > expect HP to generate patches/fixes for any issues that crop on thoseaI > 3rd-party systems.  I've seen similar expectations with other 3rd-partyi0 > hardware connected to current OpenVMS systems. >   + Why would Sun be in a different position ??l    M > Note, too, that if they were adding said systems into a VMScluster with (ornL > even without) HP systems, this could get very tricky, and very complicated
 > to qualify.  >   D Well perhaps you could offer two levels of qualification, standalone and clustered.  D > If you consider standalone systems, it's much simpler of course.   >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.464 ************************