1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 23 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 466       Contents: Re: 306GB drives! > Re: Difficulties with DPW 500au and StorageWorks components... Looking for TK50s in the UK...+ Re: mounting remote disks on VAX/VMS -> NFS $ Re: OpenVMS Jobs, OpenVMS.org etc...$ Re: OpenVMS Jobs, OpenVMS.org etc...
 Re: Praxis
 Re: Praxis. setting up a LAT service via a terminal server2 Re: setting up a LAT service via a terminal server2 Re: setting up a LAT service via a terminal server2 Re: setting up a LAT service via a terminal server2 Re: setting up a LAT service via a terminal server2 Re: setting up a LAT service via a terminal server Re: SFTP< Re: Shadow or Raid.  - Don't do both!  WAS Re: 306GB drives!! Re: Tcl/Tk 8.3 or 8.4 for OpenVMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:49:27 +1000 : From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz> Subject: Re: 306GB drives!C Message-ID: <3f472abd$0$95049$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>   * Nice to see your contributions again Keith  G I particularly enjoy your so well reasoned and scientific contributions   L I do wonder however about three site clusters. At some stage in the abstractK I winder at what stage complexity, replaces reliability. As an early player L in ths area I always had problems with a quorum node in a DT as distinct for DR node.  H The issue then was the voting node was a small box that did not have theE storage replicated. If you really can set up and afford the three way L replication you then have to look very carefully at the true independance of the links between the sites.  J As alwyas and I believe we have had this discussion, ultimately one has toI consider the procedures that gaurentee no single point of failure. In all E cases one has to review how complex such a set up such as three nodes 1 introduces, compared with the gain in reliabilty.   K Personally my problems with two sites revolved around the peripheral issues  rather than the concept.  H Possibly you would like to discuss keeping three sites up to the mark as opposed to two.   G I would start with what gain, compared to the increase in complexity of 
 procedures  
 however YMMV.             > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0308221032.7fa596d6@posting.google.com... K > Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote in message < news:<Gxc1b.1132$Ct.799318088@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>... > > Keith Parris wrote: H > > > This strategy works fine until the controller [pair] fails, or theH > > > datacenter in which the EVA is located is destroyed by a disaster. > > A > > unless your redundant controller is in another building up to I > > 30-50Kilometers away in another city along with an entirely redundant J > > cluster..  So in essence, you have 4 controllers (2 controller pairs).> > > The question is really "how much $$$ is your data worth?". > > G > > EVA's have the ability to replicate itself to an entirely different 5 > > controller over a Wide-area SAN using dark-fibre.  > " > As do HSG, XP, etc. controllers. > H > Controller-based data replication is certainly an appropriate solutionG > for disaster tolerance in many cases.  Often it's the ONLY option for @ > any sort of disaster-tolerance for platforms with poor clusterG > support.  And it's very popular for disaster recovery, where Recovery % > Time Objectives are less-stringent.  > B > But more commonly in the OpenVMS Cluster world, HBVS tends to beE > preferred in disaster-tolerant clusters, for the following reasons: E > 1) With controller-based replication, failover between sites is not F > automatic, and is difficult to automate (at best, one typically seesH > pre-written scripts for failover that get initiated manually), so it'sE > only appropriate if your Recovery Time Objective is loose enough to F > allow the time for this failover to take place.  HBVS allows faster,H > and fully-automated, failover, without requiring application downtime.D > 2) With controller-based replication, data is typically accessibleF > from only one site at a time (at best, read-only access is available? > at the remote site).  All I/Os (both reads and writes) to the F > mirrorset from systems at the remote site must be done remotely, andE > suffer the inter-site latency.  With HBVS, reads can be directed to H > the shadowset member disks at the same site; only writes to the remote% > shadowset members must go remotely. H > 3) Inter-site links are expensive, particularly at 30-50 km distances.H > With a VMS cluster, you need an SCS interconnet between sites.  To useH > controller-based replication, you need an additional interconnect thatB > can carry Fibre Channel traffic (or conversion boxes to allow FCG > traffic to share the bridged interconnect used for SCS).  Using HBVS, C > you have the choice of MSCP-serving remote I/Os over the same SCS A > interconnect, and/or using access to disks through a FC-capable  > interconnect. F > 4) VMS Clusters have a Quorum scheme to prevent uncoordinated accessH > to the multiple copies of the data that mirrorset members at differentE > sites represents.  With controller-based data replication, you must @ > basically use humans to replace the Quorum Scheme and the HBVSA > Generation Number algorithms, keeping track of (through failure @ > events) which copy of the data is the most up-to-date and onlyE > allowing user access and updates to that copy at any given point in  > time.  > G > There are disaster-tolerant VMS clusters in place which actually have G > 3 datacenters (plus a quorum node in a 4th site), where each of the 3 B > sites has a valid copy of the data, and the cluster can continueE > operating despite loss of any 2 of those 3 datacenters without data # > loss or downtime, thanks to HBVS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:49:57 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>G Subject: Re: Difficulties with DPW 500au and StorageWorks components... 2 Message-ID: <bi76co$mao$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:_ > In article <9d337b47.0308221304.53cfcd15@posting.google.com>, ohm62@hotmail.com (OHM) writes:  >  > H >>It didn't occur to me the external disks could interfere with internalF >>ones, as they are chained to two different adaptors.  I thought thisG >>would result in two independant busses, likely seen by OpenVMS as PKA = >>and PKB, and logical unit numbers on each of them could not G >>conflict...  Is there something special about the built-in QLA1040 on F >>that box, or is it my understanding of SCSI that is at fault ;-) ?   >  > D > It is not a SCSI issue, it is a VMS software decision to name both! > sets DKA in this configuration.      Yes and No. O In standard simple situation, disks connected to the PKA controller show up as  P DKA disks in the SRM console and VMS, disk connected to the PKB controller show O up as DKB and so on. So there should be no drive naming mixup between disks on  N thew internal adaptor and disks on the external adaptor, and certainly not on  SRM console level.N (If you have a HSZ raid controller in multibus failover things are different, M and VMS combines disks on SRM console level to one disk in VMS. For instance  Q DKA200 and DKB200 on the SRM console (both names refer to the same (!!) disk) to   $1$DKA200.)   O Now I seem to remember that there was an issue with the PWS systems that it is  P not possible to use a second (Qlogic ?) SCSI adaptor, which could explain these G problems. However I'm not sure about this, and I never saw the problem.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Aug 2003 10:00:30 -0700/ From: rod.chapman@praxis-cs.co.uk (Rod Chapman) ' Subject: Looking for TK50s in the UK... = Message-ID: <cf2c6063.0308230900.38e6a6b3@posting.google.com>   1 Does anyone know where I can buy blank TK50 tapes . (also known as DLT type I) in the UK?  Believe6 it or not, we still have to supply our biggest VAX/VMS user using TK50 media...    Thanks,6   Rod Chapman, Praxis (yes..that's _the_ Praxis! :-) )   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:10:28 +0200 + From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> 4 Subject: Re: mounting remote disks on VAX/VMS -> NFS9 Message-ID: <bi7ljj$66o0e$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   7 "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> schreef in bericht ) news:3F46889D.18586.143B8662@localhost... F > All my VMS machines, both VAX and Alpha, back up to a NFS share on a > Red Hat Linux 7.3 machine. > D > If you mount the share the right way, the VMS file characteristics. > are preserved, and restoring them is a snap. >  > C > > To answer your question accurately, we need to know which TCPIP  > > stack you are using... > D > If you're using the HP stack (also known as "UCX"), I can give you! > the right magic incantations...  >    Stanley,  I as it happens I was just reading the TCPIP 5.1 manual to make nfs happen. K Could you post the "magic incantations" please? The target system is a RH 9  (2.4.20-8 kernel) system.   
 Hans Vlems   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:15:34 +0200 . From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcor.de>- Subject: Re: OpenVMS Jobs, OpenVMS.org etc... , Message-ID: <oprucxn80uloujp4@news.arcor.de>   Dear Fbio,   * this is one pretty good idea! Count on me!   Thomas Pauli  8 On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:07:07 -0700 (PDT), Fabio Cardoso ! <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:   
 > Well People  > H > I belive that the best way to survive in the OpenVMS World is we stay 0 > united. I suggested to K.Farmer to OpenVMS.org9 > become the central repository of all OVMS professionals ; > worldwide. Would be an association ? Paying 25 dollars... = > I dont  know ! But would be the perfect place for us to put ; > our resumes and to be the central hub for the hiring guys : > contact us ! As I said to him we would have our profilesH > like www.openvms.org/profile/fcardoso (etc...)  ! May be installing a ( > Instanting Message server software for4 > our communty to have online contact worlwide  !!!! >  > just suggeestions  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC >  > =====  > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > $ > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?A > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software  > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >        --   Thomas H. Pauli  Hammersteinstr. 19 14199 Berlin Germany    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:11:22 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>- Subject: Re: OpenVMS Jobs, OpenVMS.org etc... 0 Message-ID: <3F47904A.9800F0B9@blueyonder.co.uk>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 
 > Well People  > < > I belive that the best way to survive in the OpenVMS World; > is we stay united. I suggested to K.Farmer to OpenVMS.org 9 > become the central repository of all OVMS professionals ; > worldwide. Would be an association ? Paying 25 dollars... = > I dont  know ! But would be the perfect place for us to put ; > our resumes and to be the central hub for the hiring guys : > contact us ! As I said to him we would have our profiles3 > like www.openvms.org/profile/fcardoso (etc...)  ! < > May be installing a Instanting Message server software for4 > our communty to have online contact worlwide  !!!! >   ? Good idea, especially for those not on the "golf club circuit".   : I did hear some talk that HP-CUO in the UK might be moving= in that direction, which I welcome, although nothing concrete I has come of it yet. The main problem in the UK is the market is saturated E with VMS people leaving HP/Compaq as well as all those whose projects  have been terminated.    regards       --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Aug 2003 02:50:57 -07000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran) Subject: Re: Praxis = Message-ID: <948f0720.0308230150.7ce94ec1@posting.google.com>   Z "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<3F4564E8.1080705@MMaz.com>... > Tom Linden wrote:  > H > >He may have been referring to the programming language, which i thinkA > >came from somewhere in Germany.  Lasrt I saw of itwas ca. 1983  > >    > >  > Yes, the language... >  > Barry   ? According to my venerable DECUS library catalogue, PRAXIS was a D block-structured language "similar to Ada" written for the Nova HighF Energy Laser Project at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. It wasD available as DECUS library item VS0040, and also on SIG tapes -- theE latest I have noted was "VAX85B", presumably Fall 1985, DECUS library B item VS0049. It worked on (or at least produced code for) VAX/VMS,* PDP11/RSX and LSI-11 standalone computers.  C But none of this enables me to find it on any of the DECUS software  web sites I know of.  B I do have VAX85B here on 1/2" tape, but no way to read it (if it'sE still readable after all this time), and I'm in the wrong country for B you. But maybe the above clues will enable someone closer to help.   Chris    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:35:45 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) Subject: Re: Praxis / Message-ID: <BcJ1b.234751$YN5.158588@sccrnsc01>   p In article <948f0720.0308230150.7ce94ec1@posting.google.com>, chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran) writes:[ !"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<3F4564E8.1080705@MMaz.com>...  !> Tom Linden wrote: !>  I !> >He may have been referring to the programming language, which i think B !> >came from somewhere in Germany.  Lasrt I saw of itwas ca. 1983 !> >   !> > !> Yes, the language...  !>   !> Barry ! @ !According to my venerable DECUS library catalogue, PRAXIS was aE !block-structured language "similar to Ada" written for the Nova High G !Energy Laser Project at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. It was E !available as DECUS library item VS0040, and also on SIG tapes -- the F !latest I have noted was "VAX85B", presumably Fall 1985, DECUS libraryC !item VS0049. It worked on (or at least produced code for) VAX/VMS, + !PDP11/RSX and LSI-11 standalone computers.  ! D !But none of this enables me to find it on any of the DECUS software !web sites I know of.  ! C !I do have VAX85B here on 1/2" tape, but no way to read it (if it's F !still readable after all this time), and I'm in the wrong country forC !you. But maybe the above clues will enable someone closer to help.  !  !Chris  K A quick trip (via FTP) to ftp.encompassus.org reveals the following, in the $ directory CD1/VAXSP46/VAX85B/PRAXIS:   FTP> dir! 200 Port 24,62,69,12,49,255 Okay. 2 150 LIST of *.*; Started; Opening data connection.  , ANONYMOUS:[000000.CD1.VAXSP46.VAX85B.PRAXIS]  C AAAREADME.TXT;5          2 20-AUG-1985 15:57 [1,1] (RWED,RWED,RE,R) C DIRTOT.LIS;1            15 20-AUG-1985 11:00 [1,1] (RWED,RWED,RE,R) D LITTON.DIR;1             2 29-JUN-2000 16:57 [1,1] (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)C LZDECOMP.EXE;1          68  1-MAY-1985 10:06 [1,1] (RWED,RWED,RE,R) D TEXTIOSYS.DIR;1          1 29-JUN-2000 16:58 [1,1] (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)    M Is this of use to the OP???  I have no clue whether this is useful, but if it L is, thanks to folks at Encompass/Encompasserve for preserving this material!  I I think there is also another (ex?)denizen of this NG who keeps a similar M archive of old DECUS material, but his name and site escape me at the moment; / perhaps if he reads this, he will come forward.   A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"? bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt	"Lose the MAPS, and replace 3 (please note the new e-mail address)	'-at-' with @"    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:09:45 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)7 Subject: setting up a LAT service via a terminal server $ Message-ID: <bi7sj9$3la$1@online.de>  G Apart from the consoles, I have a VT320 connected to a serial port of a C node in my hobbyist cluster.  If that node is down for some reason, A however, then of course one can't log in via that terminal.  (The E terminal in question is in my son's bedroom.  How many 9-year-olds do H you know who know how to use EDT?  One of my biggest triumphs was when IC heard him say "Mama's PC doesn't have a PROPER keyboard"!)  Thus, I F would like to have the terminal connect to the CLUSTER instead of to a specific node.    F It seems the way to do this would be to connect via a terminal server.F I have a DECserver 250 and a DECserver 200/MC.  Presumably these will G work fine for what I want to do.  I also have the necessary cables etc.   F Unfortunately, this stuff is located 500 km from where I spend most ofC my time, so I don't have much time to experiment.  What I need is a C step-by-step guide to setting up what I need.  Presumably, the LAT  F service has to be created somehow, perhaps the terminal server has to  boot from somewhere etc.  G I have no experience with LAT other than using SET HOST/LAT to connect  H to other nodes (in the cluster) and no experience with terminal servers  (except as an end-user).  I Ideally, switching on the VT and hitting RETURN would bring up the login  * sequence from some machine in the cluster.  F At the moment, the cluster has a VAX at 7.3, a VAX at 7.2 and an ALPHAE at 7.2-1.  There is no DECnet running.  LAT is configured so that one F can SET HOST/LAT to and from any machine in the cluster.  With TCPIP IF have a cluster alias so that to the outside world, the cluster behavesH as one machine.  Ideally, I'd like the same functionality with LAT.  (In< fact, since the connection to the outside world is via a DSLE switch/router which does PAT and forwards incoming connections to the > cluster alias, not only is there just one address for INcomingH connections, but just one address for OUTgoing connections as well, the G external address of the router.  (Normally, a cluster alias applies to  F just incoming connections, whereas each node will use its own address  for outgoing connections.))   F Load-balancing would be nice just to get some experience with it, but F for my purposes failover (like with the TCPIP cluster alias) would be  enough.   G While I'm at it, I have an LNO3 sitting around.  Can I connect that to   the terminal server as well?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:04:22 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> ; Subject: Re: setting up a LAT service via a terminal server 8 Message-ID: <WnL1b.9036$re.202259@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  J Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:bi7sj9$3la$1@online.de... I > Apart from the consoles, I have a VT320 connected to a serial port of a E > node in my hobbyist cluster.  If that node is down for some reason, C > however, then of course one can't log in via that terminal.  (The G > terminal in question is in my son's bedroom.  How many 9-year-olds do J > you know who know how to use EDT?  One of my biggest triumphs was when IE > heard him say "Mama's PC doesn't have a PROPER keyboard"!)  Thus, I H > would like to have the terminal connect to the CLUSTER instead of to a > specific node. >   B You can set up a terminal server to allow you access to all of theE "services"/nodes that are out there using the LAT protocal. You first : connect to the Terminal Server, and then issue the CONNECTH {nodename/service} command.  You can also setup preferred service.  ThisL first takes you to the preffered node, but you have the capability to switchJ to another service if you so desire.  On a Decserver700, you could connectK to as many as 8 nodes at the same time through the one terminal server port I with SESSION LIMIT set to 8. (Max Value)   Or, you can setup the port for = dedicated service if you only want to connect to one service.   J Currently, I setup Telnet Listener on my Terminal Servers, Plug the SerialC Console Ports of Servers/Storage into the Terminal Server, and then J ConsoleWorks connects to the IP& Port of the consoles to log, monitor, and allow access to these ports.  J The only way that I think that you could setup something like what you areJ asking for, is if you could get the terminal server port that you have theL VT plugged into to attempt to connect to the cluster alias IP.  I have neverG attempted anything like that.  Possibly someone else out there has done  something like this.  L Potential Problems:  DS700 only allows for one network connection.  Cat-5 orK Thinnet.  Does the 250 or 200 even have a CAT-5 port on them?  If not, then + your only option may be LAT, and not TCPIP.   H > It seems the way to do this would be to connect via a terminal server.G > I have a DECserver 250 and a DECserver 200/MC.  Presumably these will I > work fine for what I want to do.  I also have the necessary cables etc.  > H > Unfortunately, this stuff is located 500 km from where I spend most ofE > my time, so I don't have much time to experiment.  What I need is a D > step-by-step guide to setting up what I need.  Presumably, the LATG > service has to be created somehow, perhaps the terminal server has to  > boot from somewhere etc. > H > I have no experience with LAT other than using SET HOST/LAT to connectI > to other nodes (in the cluster) and no experience with terminal servers  > (except as an end-user). > J > Ideally, switching on the VT and hitting RETURN would bring up the login, > sequence from some machine in the cluster. > H > At the moment, the cluster has a VAX at 7.3, a VAX at 7.2 and an ALPHAG > at 7.2-1.  There is no DECnet running.  LAT is configured so that one H > can SET HOST/LAT to and from any machine in the cluster.  With TCPIP IH > have a cluster alias so that to the outside world, the cluster behavesJ > as one machine.  Ideally, I'd like the same functionality with LAT.  (In> > fact, since the connection to the outside world is via a DSLG > switch/router which does PAT and forwards incoming connections to the @ > cluster alias, not only is there just one address for INcomingI > connections, but just one address for OUTgoing connections as well, the H > external address of the router.  (Normally, a cluster alias applies toG > just incoming connections, whereas each node will use its own address  > for outgoing connections.))  > G > Load-balancing would be nice just to get some experience with it, but G > for my purposes failover (like with the TCPIP cluster alias) would be 	 > enough.  > H > While I'm at it, I have an LNO3 sitting around.  Can I connect that to > the terminal server as well? >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:09:10 GMT 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger); Subject: Re: setting up a LAT service via a terminal server L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2308031116490001@user-105n8c2.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <bi7sj9$3la$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:   H >Apart from the consoles, I have a VT320 connected to a serial port of aD >node in my hobbyist cluster.  If that node is down for some reason,B >however, then of course one can't log in via that terminal.  (TheF >terminal in question is in my son's bedroom.  How many 9-year-olds doI >you know who know how to use EDT?  One of my biggest triumphs was when I D >heard him say "Mama's PC doesn't have a PROPER keyboard"!)  Thus, IG >would like to have the terminal connect to the CLUSTER instead of to a  >specific node.  > G >It seems the way to do this would be to connect via a terminal server. G >I have a DECserver 250 and a DECserver 200/MC.  Presumably these will  H >work fine for what I want to do.  I also have the necessary cables etc. > G >Unfortunately, this stuff is located 500 km from where I spend most of D >my time, so I don't have much time to experiment.  What I need is aD >step-by-step guide to setting up what I need.  Presumably, the LAT G >service has to be created somehow, perhaps the terminal server has to   >boot from somewhere etc.   I I don't remeber the exact commands for the terminal servers.  I'll try to + give some hints for teh 200/MC from memory.   I I think the 200/MC needs a MOP server to load its software when it powers J on.  I believe it is/was on the layered product CDs.  I don't remember theG file name; if you configure your MOP server (via LANCP or either DECnet G flavor) and watch OPCOM, you'll see a MOP request when you power on the  server.   G You should be able to connect a terminal to any serial port and talk to I the terminal server, though it is possible to configure a port so that it F only makes outgoing connections.  You can also connect via the network using the MOP protocol.   C To connect via MOP, use LANCP.  The command is something like this:    $ LANCP := $LANCP  $ LANCP 2 LANCP> CONNECT NODE/DEVICE=Exy0 <ethernet address>J Exy0 is the network device on the VMS system you will connect through, andC the ethernet address should be on a sticker on the terminal server.   5 IIRC, you will get a "#" prompt, and you need to type J access <cr> to get the username> prompt on the server.  Enter anything you want for the username.  J The terminal server's user interface is vaguely DCL-like.  There is a HELP command.  H Like DECnet phase 4, the terminal server has both volatile and permanentH configuration information.  See SHOW, LIST, SET, and DEFINE in the help.  G To configure the server, you'll need privilege.  I think the command is E SET PRIV.  The default password is SYSTEM.  User name doesn't matter.   G You'll need to configure each port, then define LAT services and enable H each service on the port(s) as needed.  LAT can do load balancing if youC configure things right, and since multiple nodes can offer the same 7 service, you get "cluster alias" functionality as well.   H >I have no experience with LAT other than using SET HOST/LAT to connect I >to other nodes (in the cluster) and no experience with terminal servers   >(except as an end-user).   0 The System Manager's Manual has lots of details.  J >Ideally, switching on the VT and hitting RETURN would bring up the login + >sequence from some machine in the cluster.   + That's possible with most terminal servers.   G >At the moment, the cluster has a VAX at 7.3, a VAX at 7.2 and an ALPHA F >at 7.2-1.  There is no DECnet running.  LAT is configured so that oneG >can SET HOST/LAT to and from any machine in the cluster.  With TCPIP I G >have a cluster alias so that to the outside world, the cluster behaves I >as one machine.  Ideally, I'd like the same functionality with LAT.  (In = >fact, since the connection to the outside world is via a DSL F >switch/router which does PAT and forwards incoming connections to the? >cluster alias, not only is there just one address for INcoming I >connections, but just one address for OUTgoing connections as well, the  H >external address of the router.  (Normally, a cluster alias applies to G >just incoming connections, whereas each node will use its own address   >for outgoing connections.)) > G >Load-balancing would be nice just to get some experience with it, but  G >for my purposes failover (like with the TCPIP cluster alias) would be   >enough. > H >While I'm at it, I have an LNO3 sitting around.  Can I connect that to  >the terminal server as well?   . Yes, and LAT-based VMS queues should work too.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:31:24 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply); Subject: Re: setting up a LAT service via a terminal server $ Message-ID: <bi81cc$8hd$1@online.de>  E In article <WnL1b.9036$re.202259@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime"  <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes:    D > You can set up a terminal server to allow you access to all of theG > "services"/nodes that are out there using the LAT protocal. You first < > connect to the Terminal Server, and then issue the CONNECT > {nodename/service} command.     I OK, I remember doing this years ago at the university, but how do I "set    up the service" on the VMS side?  L > Currently, I setup Telnet Listener on my Terminal Servers, Plug the SerialE > Console Ports of Servers/Storage into the Terminal Server, and then L > ConsoleWorks connects to the IP& Port of the consoles to log, monitor, and > allow access to these ports.  6 I'm pretty sure my terminal servers don't speak TCPIP.  N > Potential Problems:  DS700 only allows for one network connection.  Cat-5 orM > Thinnet.  Does the 250 or 200 even have a CAT-5 port on them?  If not, then - > your only option may be LAT, and not TCPIP.   G They are AUI, but I have transceivers so that I can connect to a Cat-5   UTP LAN.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:34:56 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply); Subject: Re: setting up a LAT service via a terminal server $ Message-ID: <bi81j0$8hd$2@online.de>  
 In articleA <rdeininger-2308031116490001@user-105n8c2.dialup.mindspring.com>, 5 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:    K > I think the 200/MC needs a MOP server to load its software when it powers L > on.  I believe it is/was on the layered product CDs.  I don't remember theI > file name; if you configure your MOP server (via LANCP or either DECnet I > flavor) and watch OPCOM, you'll see a MOP request when you power on the 	 > server.   G I think I DID install the terminal-server software on at least one VMS  B machine; do I have to "do anything" to get it to serve a MOP boot  request?  I > You should be able to connect a terminal to any serial port and talk to K > the terminal server, though it is possible to configure a port so that it H > only makes outgoing connections.  You can also connect via the network > using the MOP protocol.  > E > To connect via MOP, use LANCP.  The command is something like this:  >  > $ LANCP := $LANCP 	 > $ LANCP 4 > LANCP> CONNECT NODE/DEVICE=Exy0 <ethernet address>L > Exy0 is the network device on the VMS system you will connect through, andE > the ethernet address should be on a sticker on the terminal server.  > 7 > IIRC, you will get a "#" prompt, and you need to type L > access <cr> to get the username> prompt on the server.  Enter anything you > want for the username. > L > The terminal server's user interface is vaguely DCL-like.  There is a HELP
 > command. > J > Like DECnet phase 4, the terminal server has both volatile and permanentJ > configuration information.  See SHOW, LIST, SET, and DEFINE in the help. > I > To configure the server, you'll need privilege.  I think the command is G > SET PRIV.  The default password is SYSTEM.  User name doesn't matter.  > I > You'll need to configure each port, then define LAT services and enable J > each service on the port(s) as needed.  LAT can do load balancing if youE > configure things right, and since multiple nodes can offer the same 9 > service, you get "cluster alias" functionality as well.    Thanks; I'll give it a try!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:22:05 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> ; Subject: Re: setting up a LAT service via a terminal server 6 Message-ID: <3f47a337$0$49117$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   Mike Naime wrote: L > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 > wrote in message news:bi7sj9$3la$1@online.de...  > I >>Apart from the consoles, I have a VT320 connected to a serial port of a E >>node in my hobbyist cluster.  If that node is down for some reason, C >>however, then of course one can't log in via that terminal.  (The G >>terminal in question is in my son's bedroom.  How many 9-year-olds do J >>you know who know how to use EDT?  One of my biggest triumphs was when IE >>heard him say "Mama's PC doesn't have a PROPER keyboard"!)  Thus, I H >>would like to have the terminal connect to the CLUSTER instead of to a >>specific node. >> >  > D > You can set up a terminal server to allow you access to all of theG > "services"/nodes that are out there using the LAT protocal. You first < > connect to the Terminal Server, and then issue the CONNECTJ > {nodename/service} command.  You can also setup preferred service.  ThisN > first takes you to the preffered node, but you have the capability to switchL > to another service if you so desire.  On a Decserver700, you could connectM > to as many as 8 nodes at the same time through the one terminal server port K > with SESSION LIMIT set to 8. (Max Value)   Or, you can setup the port forg? > dedicated service if you only want to connect to one service.g > L > Currently, I setup Telnet Listener on my Terminal Servers, Plug the SerialE > Console Ports of Servers/Storage into the Terminal Server, and thenrL > ConsoleWorks connects to the IP& Port of the consoles to log, monitor, and > allow access to these ports. > L > The only way that I think that you could setup something like what you areL > asking for, is if you could get the terminal server port that you have theN > VT plugged into to attempt to connect to the cluster alias IP.  I have neverI > attempted anything like that.  Possibly someone else out there has done- > something like this. > N > Potential Problems:  DS700 only allows for one network connection.  Cat-5 orM > Thinnet.  Does the 250 or 200 even have a CAT-5 port on them?  If not, then3- > your only option may be LAT, and not TCPIP.a  H This is pure nonsense. The type of connector has nothing to do with the B protocols being used. However, the 200 and 250 only speak LAT, no I TCP/IP, and they only have an AUI port plus RS-232 and/or parallel ports.a  	 Bart Zornc   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:28:28 GMTs; From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net>n Subject: Re: SFTPh; Message-ID: <wKL1b.6587$Nc.4102313@news1.news.adelphia.net>   5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageh6 news:d7791aa1.0308221855.fa5e913@posting.google.com...8 > Mike Freeman <k7uij@nospam.panix.com> wrote in message< news:<Pine.NEB.4.56.0308201205050.28178@panix3.panix.com>... > > Greetings. > >oL > > The electric utility for which I work obtains a fair amount of data fromL > > the Internet via ftp using command procedures.  We have UCX installed soI > > are using its ftp client.  One of the sites from which we get data is K > > shifting to use of SFTP (as in the UNIX SFTP).  Is there a client which ; > > will run under VAX/VMS which can handle SFTP transfers?t > >r > > Thanks much in advance.o > >t > > Mike Freeman < K 7 U I J > > > > it comes with TCPware, the best IP stack for VMS ... it runs; > crisper than multinet or ucx in a head to head comparisonm> > between the 3, plus it is still based on the VMS kernel well' > the others are unix (yuck!) based ...f  L Just about the only thing missing from your posts is that little Intel tune.F We still haven't determined what "crisper" is and why you're comparing( the "crispiness" of networking software.   -John    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Aug 03 08:45:45 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)rE Subject: Re: Shadow or Raid.  - Don't do both!  WAS Re: 306GB drives!y) Message-ID: <X9NPhyhr8Cgk@elias.decus.ch>s  ` In article <0Nz1b.7630$re.167999@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: >    <snip>   > - > XFC causes/caused Oracle corruption in 7.3.   H It caused more than just Oracle corruption. It appeared fine on a singleD node, but when I added a satellite (shared system disk), it was easy to corrupt the system disk.t  ( > Have they fixed that yet in 7.3/7.3-1?H > I can't get a strait answer on that question from either Oracle or HP. > C AFAICT yes. We are now running various production machines using it.H (plus relevant ECOs) and have noticed definite performance improvements.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Aug 2003 03:04:09 -0700- From: pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis)d* Subject: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.3 or 8.4 for OpenVMS= Message-ID: <e54adf36.0308230204.288d0235@posting.google.com>t   Jouk-s  = cannot ftp to any of the two possible machines you mentioned.  hrem.stm.tudelft.nl- ande nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nlt  D As of 12:00 Central European Time on Saturday, your email address is> still being rejected. Detailed response follows. Kind regards, Petros -----e        - Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:58:36 +0200 (CEST) iA From: "Mail Delivery System" <MAILER-DAEMON@mailhost1.tudelft.nl>r- Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender e To: pdafniotis@yahoo.com          b  ,    9 This is the Postfix program at host mailhost1.tudelft.nl.s  9 I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned 9 below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.t  8 For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>  9 If you do so, please include this problem report. You can 5 delete your own text from the message returned below.t   			The Postfix program  D <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>: mail for hrem.stm.tudelft.nl loops back to myself       Message/delivery-status  o  ( Reporting-MTA: dns; mailhost1.tudelft.nl4 Arrival-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:58:36 +0200 (CEST)  2 Final-Recipient: rfc822; joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl Action: failed
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 Status: 5.0.0 F Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail for hrem.stm.tudelft.nl loops back to myself       Forwarded Message  r, Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 05:32:35 -0700 (PDT) 0 From: "Petros Dafniotis" <pdafniotis@yahoo.com> + Subject: Re: Tcl/Tk 8.3 or 8.4 for OpenVMS s( To: "JOUKJ" <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>       E Plain Text Attachment [ Save to my Yahoo! Briefcase  |  Download Filew ]    Jouk-   4 thank you very much for your reply and news of hope!  4 Unfortunately, I cannot access your files. First the+ location you indicate seems to be actually: $ http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms6 Going there I can see the incredible amount of porting4 work that you've done but I cannot access any of the
 files on the:s nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nlM4 through ftp. The computer simply refuses connection.6 This happens both from my company through the firewall4 and from my Internet Service Provider (Bluewin) here in Switzerland.e  . If you could point me to where I could look or4 possibly email me the patch file (if not too big) it+ would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards,h   Petros ---  Petros Dafniotis, PhDo pdafniotis@yahoo.com  , --- JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote: > Petros Dafniotis wrote:04 > > I am aware of at least two ports of Tcl/Tk 8.0p2 > to OpenVMS which I& > > have been using quite extensively. > > 5 > > Is anyone working on Tcl/Tk port (v8.3 or 8.4) toy
 > OpenVMS? > > / > I compiled 8.4.4. I still have to do a lot of  > testing. So do not expect ' > that everything works out of the box.V- > Details of how I did it are on my web-page: - >   http://www.nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/: >  >               Jouk >  >     " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design softwaree http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.466 ************************