1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 27 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 473       Contents:! Alphaservers seen on TV...finally I Re: AlphaStation ES47 is out, but will it support multiple screens in VMS 4 Deadline for Freeware Submissions (& FAQ) Approaches. DEC/Test Manager library version compatibility2 Re: DEC/Test Manager library version compatibility2 Re: DEC/Test Manager library version compatibility  Re: decw$mwm change process name  Re: decw$mwm change process name Re: dyndns & VMS Re: dyndns & VMS Re: Enabling Proxy Access  Re: Enabling Proxy Access  Re: Enabling Proxy Access N Enterprise Systems Journal: Benefits of muti-OS support in a hardware platformP Re: Enterprise Systems Journal: Benefits of muti-OS support in a hardware platfoP RE: Enterprise Systems Journal: Benefits of muti-OS support in a hardware platfoP RE: Enterprise Systems Journal: Benefits of muti-OS support in a hardware platfo Re: ftp access to itrc Re: ftp access to itrc Re: ftp access to itrc Re: Last week at HP World ( Re: M7940/DHV-11, TU58, and a VAX 11/750. Re: Mount DQB0 gets 'allready allocated' error5 OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP 9 Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP  Re: OpenVMS Security& Re: Shadow_max Copy Was: 306GB drives!3 Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...) 3 Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...) 3 Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...) 3 Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...) 3 Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...) ( Re: Unicode client as Open VMS terminal. VMS ECO CDROM kits RE: VMS ECO CDROM kits Re: VMS ECO CDROM kits> Re: VMS for small vendors and small sites?  No thanks, says HP  Re: XML Parser for VAX (OpenVMS)  Re: XML Parser for VAX (OpenVMS)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:45:34 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Alphaservers seen on TV...finallyF Message-ID: <yiS2b.2348$kH3.1556@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  C I was watching a program on CNBC this evening (6:30-7:00pm Eastern)    CNBC's CheckPoint = http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/TV_Info/P37413.asp   C "As the war on terrorism continues, the office of Homeland Security > evolves and the geopolitical situation remains in flux, CNBC's? CheckPoint" examines the business side of security and war, and A analyzes the impact of increased national, corporate and personal D security on the economy, corporate America and individual investors.  F "CNBC's CheckPoint" is a limited-run program that features insight andF perspective from military and security experts. The experts shed lightF on the intelligence community's efforts against terrorism, at home and@ overseas. The program also features interviews with business andE government leaders as they face the challenge of increasing security.  "     * and they had a story on disaster recovery.  B It talked of how experts in the light of terrorism and natural andE man-made disasters (ie. electricity grid failures, etc..) recommended E that corporations maintain data centers at least 400 miles apart. And < that they spread their operations across multiple buildings.  E They had a talking head on from Kroll, the risk management company to C the Global 1000, http://www.krollworldwide.com/,  talking about the @ pressing need for corporations of all sizes to do these sorts of things.   C The piece also talked of how IBM has built nearly somewhere between E 100-200 multi-vendor recovery sites around the world. And they showed C video of racks of Compaq-branded Alphaservers inside these IBM data  centers.    F Of course the ads for VMS clusters were nowhere to be seen on TV or in@ print since the great blackout of 2003....or before that either.  F I can understand the 'queasiness' HP might feel about using the WTC in> an ad about disaster recovery, but to not have had VMS clusterF advertising in the business media by now using the blackout as part ofD the storyline is just **massively ignorant** on the part of everyone2 associated with HP's management and marketing, and2 **counterproductive** to HP shareholder interests.    F A simple ad would suffice in the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Business
 Week etc.....   F Show a map of the USA and Canada, and/or Europe, to scale. Label major cities. ( Show the blackout area as a shaded area.1 Have a triangle with sides to scale of 500 miles.    The instructions read:  / 1) Cut out the triangle and overlay on the map. / 2) Locate your primary data center at one apex. < 3) Locate your backup and quorum sites at the other corners.% 4) Compare what other vendors can do. < 5) Install HP Alphaservers running OpenVMS at each location. 6) Stay in business.  F OpenVMS clusters fit almost every budget, from two small machines withF one processor each through to clusters of thousands of processors with" dynamic partitioning capabilities.  > No matter which business you are in, disaster-tolerant OpenVMS@ clusters ensure that the lights don't permanently go out on your company.  D We wrote the book on clusters. Everyone else is just learning how to read.   * (c) 2003, John Smith. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.    A HP - contact me off-line for the BIC code for my Caymans account.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:07:13 +0200 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> R Subject: Re: AlphaStation ES47 is out, but will it support multiple screens in VMS; Message-ID: <01KZXHEN1B7SAMSOR1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   F > Oops, it seems that previous discussions on this subject did touch aI > sensitive nerve :-) :-). But don't worry Fred, I don't think anyone who H > has the big money to buy a ES47 or ES45 workstation will try to save a2 > couple of hundred dollars on the graphics card.   D Depends on the bean counters.  The Hubble Space Telescope was quite H expensive, probably a few hundred million, at least.  The optical error E was introduced since a test was skipped which would have saved a few  F thousand dollars---and required a Space-Shuttle mission to fix, which 4 certainly wasn't cheap.  Worse things have happened.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:37:18 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) = Subject: Deadline for Freeware Submissions (& FAQ) Approaches 2 Message-ID: <yiR2b.3347$Mr4.3204@news.cpqcorp.net>  H      Seeking new or updated submissions for the next HP OpenVMS Freeware  E        (Also seeking updates for the next edition of the OpenVMS FAQ)     4                           Deadline: 8 September 2003    L   Do you have or do you know of useful new tools for HP OpenVMS, or updates,K   corrections, or new versions of existing OpenVMS Freeware software tools?      Yes, you probably do.   G   But please do not assume that that the Collector of OpenVMS Freeware  J   (CoOF) knows about these new packages, nor that somebody else has mailed4   the CoOF about the availability of these packages.  A   Please let the CoOF (OpenVMS.Freeware[at]hp.com) know directly.   L   The CoOF is specifically for newer versions of XPDF (eg: 2.02pl1 or later,H   as available), as well as ports of Ghostscript (eg: 8.10 or later, as J   available), Ghostview, GZip, PHP, MySQL, Python, and other tools.  (Some4   of you have already contacted the CoOF -- thanks!)  K   Even if you know of a new tool or know of a new tool version that you are K   not responsible for, please let OpenVMS.Freeware[at]hp.com know about the I   tool -- the CoOF-related folks here (eg: me :-) will work to obtain the H   permission of the author(s) to include the software tool onto the next    OpenVMS Freeware distribution.  .   The OpenVMS Freeware submission deadline is:        8 September 2003   H   The earlier you can provide the submission ahead of the September 2003K   date, the better and easier it will be and the more likely the CoOF will  J   be able to incorporate the kit.  The later the submission, the less timeK   the CoOF will have available to assist with and to deal with any transfer I   or kitting or configuration or documentation problems that might arise, K   and the less time the CoOF will have to resolve the distribution capacity E   -- the CD capacity issues that arose for the Freeware V5.0 release.   B   Freeware submission information and guidelines are available at:  *     http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/  	   Thanks!     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2003 14:44:49 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: DEC/Test Manager library version compatibility 3 Message-ID: <voyXx28ccBD1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   = I have encountered a DTM Library that will run under DTM V3.5 4 but DTM V4.0 does not recognize it as a DTM library.  @ The DTM CONVERT command seems to only convert from DTM V1 format to DTM V2 format.   < Does anyone recall a version of DTM between 3.5 and 4.0 that/ did some sort of behind-the-scenes conversion ?   I To elaborate, the library which can be read by DTM 3.5 but not by DTM 4.0 	 has files   
 	00DTM.CON
 	00DTM.HIS  3 whereas a library created anew by DTM 4.0 has files   
 	01DTM.CON
 	01DTM.HIS  5 Any other advice would also obviously be appreciated.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:00:53 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> ; Subject: Re: DEC/Test Manager library version compatibility / Message-ID: <vko0m7kqdbnd65@news.supernews.com>   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:voyXx28ccBD1@eisner.encompasserve.org... ? > I have encountered a DTM Library that will run under DTM V3.5 6 > but DTM V4.0 does not recognize it as a DTM library. > B > The DTM CONVERT command seems to only convert from DTM V1 format > to DTM V2 format.  > > > Does anyone recall a version of DTM between 3.5 and 4.0 that1 > did some sort of behind-the-scenes conversion ?  > K > To elaborate, the library which can be read by DTM 3.5 but not by DTM 4.0  > has files  >  > 00DTM.CON  > 00DTM.HIS  > 5 > whereas a library created anew by DTM 4.0 has files  >  > 01DTM.CON  > 01DTM.HIS  > 7 > Any other advice would also obviously be appreciated.    The conversion command is:   $ RENAME 00DTM.* 01DTM.*  L DTM V3.7-2 made the change from 00DTM to 01DTM and the release notes contain% a warning that there's no going back!    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2003 22:36:28 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: DEC/Test Manager library version compatibility 3 Message-ID: <d1ukw6WikwG7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <vko0m7kqdbnd65@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes: < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:voyXx28ccBD1@eisner.encompasserve.org...   ? >> Does anyone recall a version of DTM between 3.5 and 4.0 that 2 >> did some sort of behind-the-scenes conversion ?   > The conversion command is: >  > $ RENAME 00DTM.* 01DTM.* > N > DTM V3.7-2 made the change from 00DTM to 01DTM and the release notes contain' > a warning that there's no going back!   ? Well DTM V3.9 and DTM V4.0 seem to have dropped that out of the 6 release notes.  Isn't that (church lady) "special" :-)  
 Thanks, John.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:23:47 -0400 0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>) Subject: Re: decw$mwm change process name $ Message-ID: <3f4bb3c4$1@news.si.com>  J >Aside from that, some non-Motif X functions simply don't work right using >Windows windows.   A Do you have an example, because I've never run into that problem.  --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. D 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:55:24 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)) Subject: Re: decw$mwm change process name . Message-ID: <bigdvc$acj$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  | "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> writes in article <3f4bb3c4$1@news.si.com> dated Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:23:47 -0400:K >>Aside from that, some non-Motif X functions simply don't work right using  >>Windows windows. > B >Do you have an example, because I've never run into that problem.  2 I don't suggest implementing this yourself, but...  K When the data in our system is suspected to be less than perfect, there's a L red banner at the top of the screen that says so.  It doesn't have a border,F and if you put anything on top of it it redraws itself so that it's inG front.  I had a network performance crisis back in the mid 1990s when a K developer had 2 of these on a single X-terminal, fighting over which should  be in front, but I digress.   E Under Exceed with Windows as the WM, it has a border and is moveable, 8 minimizeable, etc.  Some might call that a feature.  :^)  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:07:43 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Re: dyndns & VMS . Message-ID: <bigemf$bdc$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  y "Luca_B" <balzano@NOiolUPPERCASE.it> writes in article <bifuir$vuo$1@half.spin.it> dated Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:32:38 +0200: J >I need to put a VMS ftp server on the net using NAT and a DSL router, the  >router has a dynamic IP address > M >I plan to use dyndns.org to get my URL linked to the dynamic IP but as far I / >can see there are no VMS update clients around  >  >any ideas?    Java.   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:12:27 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> Subject: Re: dyndns & VMS 9 Message-ID: <fsU2b.214$CF2.55@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   
 Luca_B wrote: K > I need to put a VMS ftp server on the net using NAT and a DSL router, the ! > router has a dynamic IP address  > N > I plan to use dyndns.org to get my URL linked to the dynamic IP but as far I0 > can see there are no VMS update clients around >  > any ideas? >  > L. >  >     I There is a dynamic DNS client for linux written in Perl called ddclient.  G I have made some minor mods to it and it runs flawlessly on VMS.  But,   you will need to install Perl.  E Go to http://www.firstdbasource.com/ and download the kit.  You will  J need to modify usernames and passwords, but it is fairly self explanatory.  @ I personally user zoneedit because it is simple and FREE.  Just F remember, while this works, using it to SEND smtp messages will prove H quite futile as most companies out right reject email where the sending D IP address may be listed as a dialup/dsl/cable address or where the 6 sending domain name does not match the reverse lookup.  A Edit the ddclient.conf -- look for "<someusername>" and add your  B username, password and domain name to update.  make any directory > specific changes to the .com procedures and simply execute it.   Michael Austin   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2003 15:33:37 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: Enabling Proxy Access3 Message-ID: <Mj2jB37WjeRo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <rb3nkvkungjrabobj8077egntt1n8qajmk@4ax.com>, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> writes: > @ > The live server is an ES45 running DECnet-plus and I have just= > replaced the pre-installed Decnet-IV with plus on the DS20.    > SPIKE] dir tom::5 > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening TOM::*.*;* as input 1 > -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed . > -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown  >    Looks like you didn't register the nodes in the DECnet-Plus)    data base.  Use "mcr decnet_register".   G    Both DECnet Phase IV and DECnet-PLus also have commands for updating F    flushing their proxy data base with the latest UAF values.  I don'tE    recall the DECNet-Plus NCL command for this, but it's something to     do with "flush".    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:37:11 GMT 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)" Subject: Re: Enabling Proxy AccessL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2608031844590001@user-105n8q6.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <Mj2jB37WjeRo@eisner.encompasserve.org>, , koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org wrote:  D >In article <rb3nkvkungjrabobj8077egntt1n8qajmk@4ax.com>, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> writes: >>  A >> The live server is an ES45 running DECnet-plus and I have just > >> replaced the pre-installed Decnet-IV with plus on the DS20. >  >> SPIKE] dir tom:: 6 >> %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening TOM::*.*;* as input2 >> -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed/ >> -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown  > ? >   Looks like you didn't register the nodes in the DECnet-Plus * >   data base.  Use "mcr decnet_register". > H >   Both DECnet Phase IV and DECnet-PLus also have commands for updatingG >   flushing their proxy data base with the latest UAF values.  I don't F >   recall the DECNet-Plus NCL command for this, but it's something to >   do with "flush".  1 NCL> flush session control naming cache entry "*"    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Aug 03 04:12:07 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) " Subject: Re: Enabling Proxy Access) Message-ID: <CJbBEHeswwu3@elias.decus.ch>   q In article <Mj2jB37WjeRo@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: b > In article <rb3nkvkungjrabobj8077egntt1n8qajmk@4ax.com>, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> writes: >>  A >> The live server is an ES45 running DECnet-plus and I have just > >> replaced the pre-installed Decnet-IV with plus on the DS20. >  >> SPIKE] dir tom:: 6 >> %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening TOM::*.*;* as input2 >> -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed/ >> -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown  > @ >    Looks like you didn't register the nodes in the DECnet-Plus+ >    data base.  Use "mcr decnet_register".  > I >    Both DECnet Phase IV and DECnet-PLus also have commands for updating H >    flushing their proxy data base with the latest UAF values.  I don'tG >    recall the DECNet-Plus NCL command for this, but it's something to  >    do with "flush".  >   D Years since I did Phase IV, but the good thing to remember in NCl is
 "help flush".   G In older versions of NCL, it's a couple of levels down in the help, but % the latest gives it at the top level.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2003 15:10:06 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) W Subject: Enterprise Systems Journal: Benefits of muti-OS support in a hardware platform < Message-ID: <cf15391e.0308261410.5c49bf9@posting.google.com>  E A 2-part article describes the benefits of being able to run multiple 0 operating systems on the same hardware platform.  B Part 1: http://www.esj.com/enterprise/article.asp?EditorialsID=654B Part 2: http://www.esj.com/enterprise/article.asp?EditorialsID=662  > "HP's Integrity server lines are able to support more than twoE operating systems -- they're able to handle any combination of HP-UX, * Linux, Windows, and OpenVMS environments."   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:46:07 GMT 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)Y Subject: Re: Enterprise Systems Journal: Benefits of muti-OS support in a hardware platfo L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2608031853540001@user-105n8q6.dialup.mindspring.com>  < In article <cf15391e.0308261410.5c49bf9@posting.google.com>,2 keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote:  F >A 2-part article describes the benefits of being able to run multiple1 >operating systems on the same hardware platform.  > C >Part 1: http://www.esj.com/enterprise/article.asp?EditorialsID=654 C >Part 2: http://www.esj.com/enterprise/article.asp?EditorialsID=662  > ? >"HP's Integrity server lines are able to support more than two F >operating systems -- they're able to handle any combination of HP-UX,+ >Linux, Windows, and OpenVMS environments."   . Opps.  Well, facts don't matter to some folks.  6 I wish reporters and writers would pay more attention.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:07:25 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> Y Subject: RE: Enterprise Systems Journal: Benefits of muti-OS support in a hardware platfo 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEIBHNAA.tom@kednos.com>   H The ability to run more than one OS on the same HW is good for HP and inJ theory for the customer if it reduces the cost of the hardware by allowingJ HP to amortise costs over a larger number of units.  The only value for a 4 customer to have multiple OS on the same hardware is5 1. if they can run as simulataneous virtual machines   2. stocking spare parts      >-----Original Message----- : >From: Robert Deininger [mailto:rdeininger@mindspring.com]' >Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:46 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComH >Subject: Re: Enterprise Systems Journal: Benefits of muti-OS support in >a hardware platform >  > = >In article <cf15391e.0308261410.5c49bf9@posting.google.com>, 3 >keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote:  > G >>A 2-part article describes the benefits of being able to run multiple 2 >>operating systems on the same hardware platform. >>D >>Part 1: http://www.esj.com/enterprise/article.asp?EditorialsID=654D >>Part 2: http://www.esj.com/enterprise/article.asp?EditorialsID=662 >>@ >>"HP's Integrity server lines are able to support more than twoG >>operating systems -- they're able to handle any combination of HP-UX, , >>Linux, Windows, and OpenVMS environments." > / >Opps.  Well, facts don't matter to some folks.  > 7 >I wish reporters and writers would pay more attention.  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2003 22:37:37 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Y Subject: RE: Enterprise Systems Journal: Benefits of muti-OS support in a hardware platfo 3 Message-ID: <me9bmPPyXD$y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEIBHNAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: J > The ability to run more than one OS on the same HW is good for HP and inL > theory for the customer if it reduces the cost of the hardware by allowingL > HP to amortise costs over a larger number of units.  The only value for a 6 > customer to have multiple OS on the same hardware is7 > 1. if they can run as simulataneous virtual machines   > 2. stocking spare parts   3   3. Deciding later on how much of which OS to run.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2003 12:37:03 -0700/ From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell)  Subject: Re: ftp access to itrc = Message-ID: <79de9693.0308261137.5dd9c988@posting.google.com>   k brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote in message news:<%uc2b.248008$o%2.112142@sccrnsc02>... P > An earlier post in this NG (I think) complained of lack of access to the patchQ > list via FTP at ftp.itrc.hp.com.  When I saw the post, I checked, and found the N > same problem that the poster complained about; no directories were available > for viewing. > I > I just checked the site again a few minutes ago, and all seems to be as L > expected; directories are available for viewing, and the patch tree can be > navigated as usual.  > P > I wanted to follow up to the original thread, but could not find it in Google,, > so I am starting a new thread.  Apologies. > R > ________________________________________________________________________________C > Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" M > bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  2 >                                          with @"  C This new ITRC site boasts: "As part of HP's continued commitment to D provide our customers with a world-class customer experience, we are@ introducing a new customer solution for obtaining patches for HP9 OpenVMS, HP Tru64 UNIX, and associated layered products."    <RANT>  D I guess I'm coming into this late, but how exactly am I being helped by all of this...   @ 1) What's wrong with the existing patch site for obtaining VMS &L related patches at http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml?  A 2) Why do I have to register with username/password/company/etc.?   D 3) For those of us with firewall issues, why can't this 'supposedly'E anonymous FTP be accessed as above (i.e., 'http://ftp.xxx' as opposed  to 'ftp://ftp...'?  D Now we have yet another site that requires cookies, Javascript, etc.D so we can have a 'world-class customer experience'.  Thanks, but no.  B IMHO, this is another example of something being fixed that is not? currently broken being foisted upon us by folks who should know  better.    </RANT>    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2003 15:46:00 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: ftp access to itrc 3 Message-ID: <3YyfTmJQyi8A@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <79de9693.0308261137.5dd9c988@posting.google.com>, kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell) writes:  > F > I guess I'm coming into this late, but how exactly am I being helped > by all of this...  > B > 1) What's wrong with the existing patch site for obtaining VMS &N > related patches at http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml? > C > 2) Why do I have to register with username/password/company/etc.?  > F > 3) For those of us with firewall issues, why can't this 'supposedly'G > anonymous FTP be accessed as above (i.e., 'http://ftp.xxx' as opposed  > to 'ftp://ftp...'?  A    HP is not fairing well in the support area from PC reviewers.  ?    Calling HP for support when you have a problem with your new -    HP or HP/Compaq PC will not make your day.   D    It looks like they've taken this to heart, in all the wrong ways.B    Instead of fixing their PC support issues they're replacing all?    support systems with something that looks new and sexy to PC 
    reviewers.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:18:50 GMT 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: ftp access to itrc L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2608031826380001@user-105n8q6.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <79de9693.0308261137.5dd9c988@posting.google.com>, 0 kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell) wrote:    D >This new ITRC site boasts: "As part of HP's continued commitment toE >provide our customers with a world-class customer experience, we are A >introducing a new customer solution for obtaining patches for HP : >OpenVMS, HP Tru64 UNIX, and associated layered products." >  ><RANT>  > E >I guess I'm coming into this late, but how exactly am I being helped  >by all of this... > A >1) What's wrong with the existing patch site for obtaining VMS & M >related patches at http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml?  > B >2) Why do I have to register with username/password/company/etc.? > E >3) For those of us with firewall issues, why can't this 'supposedly' F >anonymous FTP be accessed as above (i.e., 'http://ftp.xxx' as opposed >to 'ftp://ftp...'?  > E >Now we have yet another site that requires cookies, Javascript, etc. E >so we can have a 'world-class customer experience'.  Thanks, but no.  > C >IMHO, this is another example of something being fixed that is not @ >currently broken being foisted upon us by folks who should know >better.  H I hope you sent your comments to the ITRC folks.  I doubt they read this
 newsgroup.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:24:48 -0400 0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>" Subject: Re: Last week at HP World$ Message-ID: <3f4bb401$1@news.si.com>  F >According to his "user-agent" header he is running Mozilla V1.3 on an >AlphaServer DS10 466 MHz ...   F There's no excuse, then, because cut-and-paste should work fine there. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. D 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:41:27 +0300 * From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>1 Subject: Re: M7940/DHV-11, TU58, and a VAX 11/750 * Message-ID: <3F4C3677.9030002@tzora.co.il>   Hans Vlems wrote: @ > "Chris Scheers" <chris@applied-synergy.com> schreef in bericht/ > news:3F4AB2E5.DCCCE3E1@applied-synergy.com...  >  >>Hans Vlems wrote:  >>, >>><misc@vectorgames.org> schreef in bericht* >>>news:bianvs$tvd@library2.airnews.net... >>> K >>>An RL02 is not big enough to hold VMS. If you have an 11/780, how do you  >>>boot VMS on that system? G >>>The reason I ask is this: should you have an RA class drive then you  >> > could  > G >>>dual home that drive and connect the UDA-50 of the 11/750 to the "B"  >> > port.  > K >>>Assuming you do have a UDA-50 in the 750, right? AFAIK there's no way to  >>>boot an 11/750 across a LAN.  >>J >>Actually, running VMS from an RL02 is possible.  It was supported in theC >>VMS 4.x time frame.  The installation could tailor VMS across two H >>drives, usually a pair of RL02s or an RL02 and an R80. Most often on a
 >>VAX 730) >>I >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- & >>Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. >>D >>Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com >>  Fax: 817-237-3074  >  > N > Chris, I remember VMS 3.4 and that it was small enough to fit comfortably onM > an RA80 (121 MB, remember :-). In fact with a little patience you can still N > fit VMS 7.3 on an RZ22. But on two RL02's, at 10 MB each, that surprises me.L > RL0'2 were used on 86x0's as console device, there was no VMS on them. TheM > 730 used a peculiar drive with one spindle and two volumes, the top one was : > removable. That was bootable but definitely not an RL02.& > But I'm willing to get corrected :-) >  > Hans >   H I seem to recall around V4.7 there was a procedure for cutting VMS down F to the bare minimum so as to get it to fit on a RL02 for some sort of F minimum system (IIRC - to avoid having to boot standalone from th 730 8 console - which was a TU58 and took about 20 minutes...)   Mike --    & New to c.o.vms? allow me to recommend:6 http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htm  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* E Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337 C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%" E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Aug 03 03:17:02 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 7 Subject: Re: Mount DQB0 gets 'allready allocated' error ) Message-ID: <sqh1vp0QIW6Q@elias.decus.ch>   Z In article <3F4AF552.9080706@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: > Paul Sture espoused: > 	[...snip...]  >>  M >> Karl, the clue here is that the "Total blocks" and "Total cylinders" lines N >> do not show in a show dev/full for an unmounted disk. The "Reference count"H >> of 1 also indicates that it is mounted. By way of contrast, here's my# >> unmounted CD (Alpha VMS V7.3-1):  >>   > 	[...snip...] 
 > Not true...   0 I must switch on brain before engaging keyboard.0 I must switch on brain before engaging keyboard. ....  ? No, Absolute bollocks. What I really need is peace and quiet inW? the morning. 2 months now of demolition racket starting at 7 amr= every weekday morning has deprived me of not only breakfasts i, outside in the fresh air, but sleep as well.  > Today's special form of torture when I was doing that post wasE new to me. Hydraulic jackhammers at 7:20. Windows closed, hot summer,a absolute brain damaging racket.b  < My apologies to all for what was a crap and inaccurate post.   >  > $ show dev/fu cdrome > Q > Disk $255$DQB0: (TARDIS), device type TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6202B, is online, file-cR >      oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled. > R >      Error count                    0    Operations completed             109641R >      Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]R >      Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WR >      Reference count                0    Default buffer size                 512R >      Total blocks            16515072    Sectors per track                    63R >      Total cylinders            16384    Tracks per cylinder                  16' >      Allocation class             255a > F > Reference count is zero.  No CD-ROM in the drive but I still see theH > "Total blocks" info.  Alpha XP1000 VMS 7.3-1 with all the latest ECOs.E > A non-zero reference count does not mean it is mounted, simply that , > there is a channel assigned to the device. >   H Which presumably reflects the size of the last CD mounted. In hindsight,G when I posted my result of show dev/full I hadn't mounted a CD since myi2 last reboot. Now I get this from my dismounted CD:  N    Total blocks             1080936    Sectors per track                     4N    Total cylinders            45039    Tracks per cylinder                   6  2 but mount then dismount another CD and I get this:  N    Total blocks              229316    Sectors per track                     4N    Total cylinders             9555    Tracks per cylinder                   6    B I note that allocating a CD without a mount is sufficient to raise the reference count ot 1.C   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2003 14:49:29 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) > Subject: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0308261349.77696f52@posting.google.com>   > The HP Developer and Solution Partner Program (DSPP) is makingD arrangements for early access to OpenVMS Itanium porting systems for software developers.  SeetW http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/tech/tech_TechDocumentDetailPage_IDX/1,1701,5354,00.htmlv  @ "The DSPP migration & testing centers (AMTC) are preparing crossB development environments for ISVs that would like an early look at: porting OpenVMS applications to the Itanium architecture."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:06:34 GMT 1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net>.B Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium system access for developers via DSPP8 Message-ID: <eCS2b.17888$081.15325@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>  K Does this include small time (i.e., independent contractor folks) or do youaJ have to be part of a company?  I ask this as apparently the OpenVMS SDK isK not available to independent contractors but only 'companies', so somewhereb% somebody is making a differentiation.,   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2003 15:35:14 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)M Subject: Re: OpenVMS Securityw3 Message-ID: <lyuR+GbjxS9X@eisner.encompasserve.org>w   In article <big30g$m7j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  = > Or simply incorrect in the case of OpenVMS where CERTs thata? > OpenVMS was vunerable to were incorrectly responded to or nott > responded to at.  D    Or CERTs which pointed at VMS, but were incorrect.  Add all thoseD    handfulls and you still get a tiny fraction of what other OS get.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:58:56 +1000 : From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz>/ Subject: Re: Shadow_max Copy Was: 306GB drives!lC Message-ID: <3f4c2cc8$0$95049$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>n  L shadow_max_copy is the number of threads that node can handle. What Keith isI saying is that you must have enough threads cluster wide to be able to dod% all the copies/merges similtaneously.c  J A few more things about shadow_max_copy. Firstly it can be used to balanceK the merge load, so for instance if there is a node you don't want to handlet% merges, then set shadow_max_copy to 0t  I secondly this parameter is dynamic, and I believe only looked at when thee thread starts.  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0308251227.7df7bf3d@posting.google.com...r9 > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message , news:<87vfsl8z8f.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>...G > > Keith, is the number of threads per cluster? IE, if I have a 3 nodesF > > cluster, many shadow sets and all node set at the default 4, if on@ > > node crashes do the other nodes do 4 each, or is it 4 total? > E > Yes, the number of threads to worry about is total available in the-H > cluster (sum of the values on each of the nodes).  So with the default@ > value for SHADOW_MAX_COPY of 4, if a node crashes, each of the4 > remaining nodes can do 4 shadow threads at a time.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:08:33 +0100VO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e< Subject: Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...)0 Message-ID: <big7n1$nm1$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > In article <big2p4$m4v$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>Rob Young wrote: >  >  > H >>>	I suspected that some nitpicker would rattle the Packard Bell chain.@ >>>	The local grocery store chain has higher annual revenue than >>>	Packard Bell.e >>>d >>I >>All you have done is illustrate what everyone knows, if you narrow the  4 >>field enough then you can prove anything you want. >  > 8 > 	Nonsense.  Things can be wrong even in a narrow view.   And in this case ???       >  >  >>And this isn't nitpicking. >> >  > 9 > 	Sure it is.  Re-read what you wrote.  Packard Bell as .@ > 	your counter-example, and I anticipated that in my follow-up. >   1 Doesn't make your origional point any more valid.u  @ Arguing that the world is flat in one point and then saying thatC you are only refering to the little bit of the world in your livingnB room in a followup point doesn't make the first statement any more correct. As in this case.O   Regardsw Andrew Harrisons	 > 				Rob, >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:10:41 GMTp3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)a< Subject: Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...)2 Message-ID: <RgO2b.3326$3i4.1298@news.cpqcorp.net>  1 In article <big3ku$mc9$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>,  Q Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:a  E >... are you suggesting that there is something special about OpenVMSaA >which makes it unlike all the other OS's targeted for itanium in  >respect to TCO ?d  > It is my opinion -- shared by at least some others <smile> -- D that there certainly are MANY special thing about OpenVMS that make * it unlike all other OS's in many respects.   -- hJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2003 15:02:36 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) < Subject: Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...)3 Message-ID: <MELuM3R0oohZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>e   In article <big7n1$nm1$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote: >> In article <big2p4$m4v$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:y >> e >>>Rob Young wrote:F >> r >> 0 >> aI >>>>	I suspected that some nitpicker would rattle the Packard Bell chain. A >>>>	The local grocery store chain has higher annual revenue than- >>>>	Packard Bell. >>>> >>>uJ >>>All you have done is illustrate what everyone knows, if you narrow the 5 >>>field enough then you can prove anything you want.- >> - >> -9 >> 	Nonsense.  Things can be wrong even in a narrow view.  >  > And in this case ??? >   B 	I narrowed it so that it is a true statement.  What I acknowledge	 	is this:6   			"Dell is unique"0  A 	That is a true statement.  But like many of your statements - oha6 	so vague.  However, as others have pointed out, thereF 	are other corporations with a similar business models as WalMart was D 	mentioned earlier.  Okay fair enough - time to add to that.  So to E 	further clarify to "Dell being unique", (and obviously with 500000+ VE 	corporations in the world Dell isn't unique among the world, etc.)  w0 	I modified it enough to have clarity and truth:  A  "Among the top 5 in computer sales [here - nitpick that] Dell isy(  rather unique in their business model."   	Clear enough?   >  >> h >>   >>>And this isn't nitpicking.. >>>  >>   >> 0: >> 	Sure it is.  Re-read what you wrote.  Packard Bell as A >> 	your counter-example, and I anticipated that in my follow-up.2 >>   > 3 > Doesn't make your origional point any more valid.m >   ; 	Sure it does.  See above for clarity :-).   Running out ofe 	nits to pick, Andy?   				Robp   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Aug 2003 15:41:51 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e< Subject: Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...)3 Message-ID: <$$6jRAQD5CGU@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <big3ku$mc9$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > C > I though that the whole idea behind "Industry Standard Computing" H > your employers tagline for itanium was that it was "Industry Standard" > or did we all miss something.0  # > Just like it is now with the x86.   F    Yeah, right.  Just like all those pains Microsoft didn't go throughB    when they tried to get Windows 95 to run on all those x86 whichF    happened to run DOS, but weren't properly assembled configurations.  G    It's easy to assure that a correct configuration will work, it's nott?    possible to guarantee that a faulty configuration will fail.e  B    In comparison, I know a fellow who runs a version of Solaris onB    hardware which it officialy won't run on (not just unsupported,*    it's documented by Sun as _won't run_).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:16:16 -0500"1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>l< Subject: Re: The Dell Effect (Was: Re: Will OpenVMS I64 ...)' Message-ID: <3F4C1470.74310A12@fsi.net>e   Charlie Hammond wrote: > 2 > In article <big3ku$mc9$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>,S > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  > G > >... are you suggesting that there is something special about OpenVMSnC > >which makes it unlike all the other OS's targeted for itanium inT > >respect to TCO ?r > ? > It is my opinion -- shared by at least some others <smile> --cE > that there certainly are MANY special thing about OpenVMS that makeu, > it unlike all other OS's in many respects.  D Well, in my experience, the choice between VMS and non-VMS goes like this:   G non-VMS: TCO = low/modest cost to acquire + escalating cost to maintainf% as new software attacks are launched.   C VMS: TCO = onerous cost to acquire + low/moderate cost to maintain.t  < BTW - is any one else being effected by the M$/Citrix snafu?   -- t David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Aug 03 03:38:02 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)-1 Subject: Re: Unicode client as Open VMS terminal.:) Message-ID: <DZZv35IoC3fb@elias.decus.ch>.  Z In article <QAJ2b.1654$2B6.368893@news.siol.net>, Bob Marcan <bob.marcan@aster.si> writes: > Hans M. Aus wrote: >> Paul, >>  7 >> Please explain how you got your accented characters.n >> iE >> From the MacOS Terminal, when I try ssh -l aus nnn.xxx.yyy.1, the o >> response is:n >> pE >> ssh: connect to address nnn.xxx.yyy.1 port 22: Connection refused.m >> b >> eI >> A port scan on the VMS 7.2-1 Alpha reveals that port 22 is not active:r >>   >>  Port   Type   Descriptions >>  10     TCP    10 >>  21     TCP    ftph >>  23     TCP    telnet >>  25     TCP    smtp >>  111    TCP    sunrpc >>  118    TCP    118p >> y >>  - >> The TCPIP Server configuration looks like:  >> .L >>   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Server Components Configuration Menu >>   >>   Configuration options:a >> gL >>     1 - BIND         Disabled Stopped      11 - NTP      Disabled StoppedL >>     2 - BOOTP        Disabled Stopped      12 - PC-NFS   Disabled StoppedL >>     3 - DHCP         Disabled Stopped      13 - POP      Disabled StoppedL >>     4 - FINGER       Disabled Stopped      14 - PORTMAPPER Enabled StarteL >>     5 - FTP          Enabled  Started      15 - RLOGIN   Enabled  StartedL >>     6 - LBROKER      Disabled Stopped      16 - RMT      Disabled StoppedL >>     7 - LPR/LPD      Disabled Stopped      17 - SNMP     Disabled StoppedL >>     8 - METRIC       Disabled Stopped      18 - TELNET   Enabled  StartedL >>     9 - NFS          Enabled  Started      19 - TFTP     Disabled StoppedL >>    10 - LOCKD/STATD  Disabled Stopped      20 - XDM      Disabled Stopped >> i >> t >>  , >> In article <P87ZeBF8kIMg@elias.decus.ch>,. >>  p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote: >> a >>   >>>... eK >>>Bingo. After quite a bit of messing around in Terminal, visiting the MacnI >>>Help Center, you suggestion prompted me to abandoned it in favour of a  >>>VMS solution :-)r >>>iE >>>The following got me there for VMS (although not in Terminal - I'dn5 >>>like this to work at the Mac command prompt too*).s >>>iJ >>>Login to VMS (with ssh, I have telnet disabled, so haven't tested that) >>> & >>>$ set terminal/device=vt300/eighbit >>>c/ >>>and I get my accented characters :-) :-) :-)e >>>UK >>>* my mistake all along had been to try getting _Terminal_ to display thel" >>>accented characters on its own. >>>  >>>VMS wins again :-)d >> c >> c > / > ssh has nothing with the accented characters.  > % > $ set terminal/device=vt300/eighbit  >  > is the key >   A Correct. Sort of, but not quite, because OS X telnet doesn't givec them by default.  F I've just found out that it does so with the -8 option, which sets the8 VMS terminal as VT100 and /eightbit. Accented characters< immediately available, no command file to be executed first.   e.g.   telnet -8 vmsbox   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:45:46 -0700r( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> Subject: VMS ECO CDROM kitso, Message-ID: <3F4BB8EA.5090504@NelsonUSA.com>  F We subscribe to the VMS ECO CDROM service (QA3CQAAA8 aka QA-3CQAA-A8).A Our contract was up for renewal 1-Jul-2003 and we renewed with nom changes.  C The last kit we got was dated May 2003, so I called HP last week to.D ask why.   I just got a voicemail message that this service had been discontinued!?!?  @ Is this true?   If so, why was the contract approved?   What are our options?  F I believe in paying for the ECOs on CDROM rather than just downloadingE them for free.   I am assured that they are not corrupted in transit.lA Also, we have a slow 144kbps line (shared by all our users) whichDE discourages us from downloading patches in the first place.   If this D product has truly been discontinued, it is one further slap at loyal
 VMS users.   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:53:30 -0700U# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>L Subject: RE: VMS ECO CDROM kits 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEHLHNAA.tom@kednos.com>g   >-----Original Message-----e0 >From: Alan Frisbie [mailto:Abuse@NelsonUSA.com]( >Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:46 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: VMS ECO CDROM kits >C >oG >We subscribe to the VMS ECO CDROM service (QA3CQAAA8 aka QA-3CQAA-A8).-B >Our contract was up for renewal 1-Jul-2003 and we renewed with no	 >changes.m >sD >The last kit we got was dated May 2003, so I called HP last week toE >ask why.   I just got a voicemail message that this service had been> >discontinued!?!?j >WA >Is this true?   If so, why was the contract approved?   What are.
 >our options?I  C Ask for a refund.  Probably won't be the last time that they chargel% for a service which no longer exists.l   T1's are now pretty cheap.   >tG >I believe in paying for the ECOs on CDROM rather than just downloading F >them for free.   I am assured that they are not corrupted in transit.B >Also, we have a slow 144kbps line (shared by all our users) whichF >discourages us from downloading patches in the first place.   If thisE >product has truly been discontinued, it is one further slap at loyal  >VMS users.e >e >Alan. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).eA >Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003N >c ---d& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:27:08 -0700n( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> Subject: Re: VMS ECO CDROM kitsj, Message-ID: <3F4BC29C.7020201@NelsonUSA.com>   Tom Linden wrote:s  I >> We subscribe to the VMS ECO CDROM service (QA3CQAAA8 aka QA-3CQAA-A8).qD >> Our contract was up for renewal 1-Jul-2003 and we renewed with no >> changes.  >>F >> The last kit we got was dated May 2003, so I called HP last week toG >> ask why.   I just got a voicemail message that this service had beenO >> discontinued!?!?T >>C >> Is this true?   If so, why was the contract approved?   What are> >> our options?N  E > Ask for a refund.  Probably won't be the last time that they charge ' > for a service which no longer exists.   < A refund really doesn't make up for the lack of the service.   > T1's are now pretty cheap.  @ The least expensive I have been able to find for our location is7 $750/month.   That is six times what we are paying now.n  E Where we are located, we cannot get ADSL or cable.   The company nexti@ door just ditched their satellite service (constant outages) andE went with the same iDSL (DSL over an ISDN line) service that we have.    Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:47:06 GMT-# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-G Subject: Re: VMS for small vendors and small sites?  No thanks, says HPrI Message-ID: <_jS2b.279478$4UE.93344@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>e  3 "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in messageo5 news:cc5619f2.0308260848.cf3221@posting.google.com...aE > My company has been a partner with DEC, and through that Compaq and  HPD > since the 1970s.  VAR, associate, SBA, whatever the acronym of theD > year was, we were that.  We've always been a small company (peaked atF > 20+ in the '80s, currently lower), and until 2000 were exclusively aF > VMS shop (after RSTS/RSX dried up, before my time with the company).@ > Over the years we've had hundreds of customers, sold VAXen and AlphasF > to many new sites, set up VMS based systems to their specifications,C > including software purpose built for their needs.  We continue tosE > maintain and customize a fair number of sites, and bring in severalu > new customers each year. >oC > We started on a roll of VAX upgrades in late 2000/early 2001, ande hadrB > a fair number of Alpha upgrades lined up (mostly DS10s, a coupleE > DS20s, and we partnered on an ES40 sale), most of which were killed  byB > the alphacide in June 2001.  That abortion cost us a great deal,B > however 'good' Capellas reasons were, since it wiped out all theF > goodwill and confidence in DEC/Compaq that we had spent the previousA > two years (since the sellout) building up, and hurt the companyt badly.E >  It is only in the last six months, based on the discontinuation of F > hardware support for the MicroVAX 3100s, that we've managed to startE > moving Alpha VMS platforms again.  We now have a good chunk of work  inD > the PC/VBcrap arena; we had no choice after the alphacide.  No new VMS * > site sales yet, though we did still try. >tD > Now, apparently, we are no longer suitable to be a channel partner toE > HP because we simply cannot guarantee the level of sales they want.tE > Compaq had been willing to work with us since we still brought them A > some sales and a lot of customer goodwill.  But we're not goinga afterm@ > health care systems, lotteries, governmental (well, we do haveD > municipal customers, but thats small potatoes), or other "approved> > channels" where HP wants OpenVMS, since we have no chance at	 competingoB > with the big distributors on price.  So we continue to work withE > villages, towns, finance companies, local manufacturers... and that F > can't provide the minimum sales that HP wants.  Especially in a down
 > economy. > D > Kind of a long history to pitch, but then it was history with DEC, notrA > with the wintel-centric keep VMS in its place management at HP.d TheyD > could hardly make their disdain for small VMS customers more plainD > than by actions like these, which I assume must be impacting otherF > small vendors.  Think that the big distributors are going to talk toC > the one-office finance shop about a DS10 with OpenVMS?  The localeC > metal fabrication shop?  The Village next town over?  And if theyo do,lE > will they even mention VMS, much less try to sell it?  Or will theys beB > happy pushing a crate of HP wintel hardware that can and will beD > replaced by Dell or other low bidder in two or three years?  We'll not B > even talk about HP salesfolks, most of whom probably still don't know; > that HP has an OS called OpenVMS, or hardware it runs on.  >e > Damn, this sucks.     & Welcome to Carly's World of Downsizing   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:40:07 GMT10 From: Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com>) Subject: Re: XML Parser for VAX (OpenVMS)68 Message-ID: <b86okvkl64sqrbf54uogi9gptqoduarn51@4ax.com>  @ On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:42:35 -0400, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> wrote:   >Randy,  >a >aG >    Would you be willing to post a zip file with the sample basic codet >calling the c routines...?B >A >m  A Better yet, here it is, followed by my sample data.  It is just ao< Quick and Dirty just to see if I could make it work.  It has6 debugging stuff in it.  Look out for line wrap from my newsreader.o   	PROGRAM XMLTEST   	OPTION TYPE = EXPLICITe  ( 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION Xml_ParserCreate- 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION Xml_SetElementHandler 3 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION Xml_SetCharacterDataHandlers! 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION Xml_Parse & 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION Xml_ParserFree( 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION Xml_GetErrorCode' 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION Xml_ErrorStringr  % 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION START_ELEMENTe# 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION END_ELEMENT ! 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION CHAR_DATA5  	EXTERNAL STRING FUNCTION C_TEXT  6 	DECLARE LONG PTR1, PTR2, PTR3, PTR4, STAT, TMP1, TMP2 	DECLARE STRING XML_LINE, MSG4 	DECLARE LONG CONSTANT NULL = 0s  ( 	OPEN "XMLTEST.XML" FOR INPUT AS FILE #1 	PRINT "Calling create"i) 	PTR1 = XML_PARSERCREATE( NULL BY VALUE )t 	PRINT "PTR1 ="; PTR1  	PTR2 = LOC(START_ELEMENT) 	PTR3 = LOC(END_ELEMENT) 	PTR4 = LOC(CHAR_DATA)$ 	PRINT "Calling set element handler"< 	STAT = XML_SetElementHandler( PTR1 BY VALUE, PTR2 BY VALUE, PTR3 BY VALUE )t 	PRINT "Status ="; STATa! 	PRINT "Calling set data handler" ; 	STAT = XML_SetCharacterDataHandler( PTR1 BY VALUE, PTR4 BYo VALUE )i 	PRINT "Status ="; STAT  	WHILE STAT <> NULL  	  WHEN ERROR IN 	      LINPUT #1, XML_LINE 	    USE 	      CONTINUE DONE 	  END WHEN_ 	  TMP1 = LEN(XML_LINE)_ 	  TMP2 = 0  	  PRINT "Calling parse"4 	  STAT = XML_PARSE( PTR1 BY VALUE, XML_LINE BY REF, &l% 			    TMP1 BY VALUE, TMP2 BY VALUE )A 	  PRINT "Parse status ="; STAT  	  IF STAT = 0	 	    THEN * 		TMP1 = XML_GetErrorCode( PTR1 BY VALUE )) 		TMP2 = XML_ErrorString( TMP1 BY VALUE )  		MSG = C_TEXT( TMP2 BY VALUE )d 		PRINT "Error Msg = "; MSGe 		GOTO DONEc	 	  END IFu 	NEXTs   DONE:	CLOSE #1' 	STAT = XML_PARSERFREE( PTR1 BY VALUE )X 	END    7 	FUNCTION LONG START_ELEMENT (	STRING USER_DATA BY REF,g &t 					STRING ELEM_NAME BY REF,  &e 					LONG   ATTRIB_PTR BY REF )   	EXTERNAL STRING FUNCTION C_TEXT  	PRINT "Entered START_ELEMENT ";/ 	PRINT "Element = "; C_TEXT( ELEM_NAME BY REF )t
 	END FUNCTIONm  5 	FUNCTION LONG END_ELEMENT (	STRING USER_DATA BY REF,s &r 					STRING ELEM_NAME BY REF )  	EXTERNAL STRING FUNCTION C_TEXT 	PRINT "Entered END_ELEMENT ";/ 	PRINT "Element = "; C_TEXT( ELEM_NAME BY REF )'
 	END FUNCTIONo  3 	FUNCTION LONG CHAR_DATA (	STRING USER_DATA BY REF,e &r 					STRING OUR_DATA BY REF, &w 					LONG OUR_LENGTH BY VALUE )r  	EXTERNAL STRING FUNCTION C_TEXT 	PRINT "Entered CHAR_DATA ";/ 	PRINT "Data = "; LEFT$( OUR_DATA, OUR_LENGTH )r
 	END FUNCTIONt  , 	FUNCTION STRING C_TEXT( STRING MSG BY REF ) 	DECLARE STRING TMP1, TMP2 	DECLARE LONG L 
 	TMP1 = "" 	L = 1  LOOP:	TMP2 = MID$(MSG,L,1)@ 	IF TMP2 <> CHR$(0)s 	  THEN	TMP1 = TMP1 + TMP2 		L = L + 1p 		GOTO LOOPr 	END IFg 	C_TEXT = TMP1
 	END FUNCTIONm     <?xml version = "1.0"?>< <!DOCTYPE Records [d" <!ELEMENT Record (fld1,fld2,fld3)> ]>	 <Records>. <Record> <fld1>Rec 1 Field 1</fld1> <fld2>Rec 1 Field 2</fld2> <fld3>Rec 1 Field 3</fld3>	 </Record>  <Record> <fld1>Rec 2 Field 1</fld1> <fld2>Rec 2 Field 2</fld2> <fld3>Rec 2 Field 3</fld3>	 </Record>c <Record> <fld1>Rec 3 Field 1</fld1> <fld2>Rec 3 Field 2</fld2> <fld3>Rec 3 Field 3</fld3>	 </Record> 
 </Records>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:14:04 GMTc0 From: Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com>) Subject: Re: XML Parser for VAX (OpenVMS)e8 Message-ID: <ujbokvsemdv85pee1r8fpkqti20i86gdrm@4ax.com>  , On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:40:07 GMT, Randy Park& <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> wrote:  A >On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:42:35 -0400, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com>I >wrote:i >t >>Randy, >> >>H >>    Would you be willing to post a zip file with the sample basic code >>calling the c routines...? >> >> >sB >Better yet, here it is, followed by my sample data.  It is just a= >Quick and Dirty just to see if I could make it work.  It has87 >debugging stuff in it.  Look out for line wrap from mye >newsreader. >f   [snip]   >r6 >	FUNCTION LONG CHAR_DATA (	STRING USER_DATA BY REF, & >					STRING OUR_DATA BY REF, &t  >					LONG OUR_LENGTH BY VALUE )! >	EXTERNAL STRING FUNCTION C_TEXTd >	PRINT "Entered CHAR_DATA ";r0 >	PRINT "Data = "; LEFT$( OUR_DATA, OUR_LENGTH ) >	END FUNCTION >i   [snip]  B There is a problem compiling the above code on Vax, but not Alpha.A Use the following instead as it works on Vax (untested on Alpha):   5 	FUNCTION LONG CHAR_DATA (	STRING USER_DATA BY REF, &s 					STRING OUR_DATA BY REF, &# 					LONG OUR_LENGTH BY REF )  !modc  	EXTERNAL STRING FUNCTION C_TEXT 	DECLARE LONG TMP		!neww 	TMP = LOC( OUR_LENGTH )		!new 	PRINT "Entered CHAR_DATA ";. 	PRINT "Data = "; LEFT$( OUR_DATA, TMP )  !mod
 	END FUNCTIONs  C Sorry, wasn't aware that you couldn't receive data BY VALUE on Vax.a   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.473 ************************