1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 29 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 478       Contents:I ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal + DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A / Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A / Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A / Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A / Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A / Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A  Re: DFG 2.7 error on IDE disk  Re: DFG 2.7 error on IDE disk  Re: DSSI problem" emacs :was  HTML favourite editor?, RE: Fortran defered length character string?, Re: Fortran defered length character string?, RE: Fortran defered length character string? Full system disk Re: Full system disk* RE: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A* Re: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A* Re: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A: Re: How to determine which client is connected to a server Re: OpenVMS Security Re: OpenVMS Security Re: OpenVMS Security Re: OpenVMS Security Re: OpenVMS Security Re: OpenVMS Security Re: OpenVMS Security$ Re: Patching Ident field of an Image Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates   Re: Philips CDR2600 and CDRECORD Re: read on socket returns zero 3 Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available & Re: Shadow_max Copy Was: 306GB drives! Re: SHOW SYSTEM question SNDJBCW and logical names  Re: SNDJBCW and logical names  Re: SNDJBCW and logical names  Re: SNDJBCW and logical names P Re: Stop swimming upstream: was Re: AlphaStation ES47 is out, but will it suppor" Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IV" Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IV" Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IV( Re: Vipul's Razor patched to work on VMS Re: We need your DS10 Systems   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:42:21 +0200 ) From: Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> R Subject: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX TerminalB Message-ID: <aus-7DD873.16421929082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  E A) When logged into VMS 7.2-1 with Telnet from the Mac OS X Terminal:    In the command line,    B 1) the DELETE Key backspaces one character but doesn't delete the  character.  . 2) the cursor also backspaces into the Prompt.  5 The DELETE key functions correctly in the VMS Editor.    B) When logged into @ Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1 (Rev. 732); Fri Feb 21 10:23:12 CET 2003.  # the DELETE key functions correctly.   	 QUESTION:   : How do I get the DELETE Key to function properly with VMS?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:45:40 GMT ) From: "Bev A. Kupf" <bevakupf@myhome.net> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX TerminalA Message-ID: <slrnbkupqq.r1b.bevakupf@ebv.mimnet.northwestern.edu>   # On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:42:21 +0200, .     Hans Aus (aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de) wrote:G > A) When logged into VMS 7.2-1 with Telnet from the Mac OS X Terminal:  >  > In the command line,   > D > 1) the DELETE Key backspaces one character but doesn't delete the 
 > character.  0 > 2) the cursor also backspaces into the Prompt.  B It has been a decade since I used VMS, so I don't remember the VMSD equivalent of the Unix stty command, but that would be the *correct* way of fixing the problem.  D As a temporary fix.  Under Terminal, go to "Window Settings", selectF "Emulation", and click on "Delete key sends backspace".  That will fix your problem in the VMS shell.   7 > The DELETE key functions correctly in the VMS Editor.   G It may however break the use of the delete key in the VMS editor.  This 5 really should be fixed by keymapping on the VMS side.    Beverly  --   Bev A. Kupf : "The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:57:39 +0200 ) From: Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX TerminalB Message-ID: <aus-D8172E.17573929082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  A In article <slrnbkupqq.r1b.bevakupf@ebv.mimnet.northwestern.edu>, +  "Bev A. Kupf" <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:   % > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:42:21 +0200, 0 >     Hans Aus (aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de) wrote:I > > A) When logged into VMS 7.2-1 with Telnet from the Mac OS X Terminal:  > >  > > In the command line,   > > F > > 1) the DELETE Key backspaces one character but doesn't delete the  > > character.  2 > > 2) the cursor also backspaces into the Prompt. > D > It has been a decade since I used VMS, so I don't remember the VMSF > equivalent of the Unix stty command, but that would be the *correct* > way of fixing the problem. > F > As a temporary fix.  Under Terminal, go to "Window Settings", selectH > "Emulation", and click on "Delete key sends backspace".  That will fix  > your problem in the VMS shell. >   9 > > The DELETE key functions correctly in the VMS Editor.  > I > It may however break the use of the delete key in the VMS editor.  This 7 > really should be fixed by keymapping on the VMS side.  > 	 > Beverly    Bev,  I Thanks for your quick reply. I'll try our VMSbox again the next time I'm   in the office.    C However, if I check "Delete Key sends backspace" the result on the  ! Unixbox (reachable from home) is:    kkk^H^H^H^H    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:06:31 GMT ) From: "Bev A. Kupf" <bevakupf@myhome.net> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX TerminalA Message-ID: <slrnbkuuie.r8m.bevakupf@ebv.mimnet.northwestern.edu>   # On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:57:39 +0200, .     Hans Aus (aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de) wrote:C > In article <slrnbkupqq.r1b.bevakupf@ebv.mimnet.northwestern.edu>, - >  "Bev A. Kupf" <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote: E > However, if I check "Delete Key sends backspace" the result on the  # > Unixbox (reachable from home) is:  > 
 > kkk^H^H^H^H   E Yes, I expected that.  You'll have to use two separate settings files F of each of the two computers -- one for VMS and one for Tru64.  I wishA I could remember what the VMS term setting command was to fix the  backspace<->delete bugaboo.    Beverly    --   Bev A. Kupf : "The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 11:46:35 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal3 Message-ID: <GmoYK4f4Sy8N@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <slrnbkuuie.r8m.bevakupf@ebv.mimnet.northwestern.edu>, "Bev A. Kupf" <bevakupf@myhome.net> writes:  > G > Yes, I expected that.  You'll have to use two separate settings files H > of each of the two computers -- one for VMS and one for Tru64.  I wishC > I could remember what the VMS term setting command was to fix the  > backspace<->delete bugaboo.   C    You can't remember it because there isn't any.  The only options A    you have are to control it at the client side or to use an X11 A    based terminal emulator which will allow the VMS system to use     xmodmap.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 08:53:35 -0700- From: composvms@wr.clara.net (The Architrave) 4 Subject: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A= Message-ID: <a45e317a.0308290753.5d5bdf32@posting.google.com>   ; My first post, so please forgive me if it is inappropriate.   F We have a number of entities called entity1, entity2, etc. Some of our2 jobs run through all the entities using code like:   $ entity_number = 1  $ loop: 8 $ entity_type = f$logical("entity''entity_number'_type") $ gosub do_stuff# $ entity_number = entity_number + 1 E $ if entity_number .lt. f$logical("deployed_entities") then goto loop  $ exit  B We have just deployed entity8 and are considering what to do after? entity9. The entity number is stored/used as a single character D elsewhere in the system so entity10 is a no-go. If we go to entityA,F is there a graceful way to get entity_number to click over from 9 to A and beyond?   - A nice Friday afternoon brain-teaser, I hope.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:21:17 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>8 Subject: Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A/ Message-ID: <3F4F453D.27750.136582C6@localhost>   D > We have just deployed entity8 and are considering what to do afterA > entity9. The entity number is stored/used as a single character F > elsewhere in the system so entity10 is a no-go. If we go to entityA,H > is there a graceful way to get entity_number to click over from 9 to A
 > and beyond?   
 How about:  .   $ entity_char = f$fao ("!XL", entity_number)  B This will give you a string from "0" through "9", followed by "A" B through "Z".  Of course, when you get to sixteen, you'll get "10".  B Apply to everywhere you were using entity_number as a string, you  will be set to go.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 11:48:30 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org8 Subject: Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A3 Message-ID: <p8+1UXhEYt8p@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <a45e317a.0308290753.5d5bdf32@posting.google.com>, composvms@wr.clara.net (The Architrave) writes: = > My first post, so please forgive me if it is inappropriate.  > H > We have a number of entities called entity1, entity2, etc. Some of our4 > jobs run through all the entities using code like: >  > $ entity_number = 1 	 > $ loop: : > $ entity_type = f$logical("entity''entity_number'_type") > $ gosub do_stuff% > $ entity_number = entity_number + 1 G > $ if entity_number .lt. f$logical("deployed_entities") then goto loop  > $ exit > D > We have just deployed entity8 and are considering what to do afterA > entity9. The entity number is stored/used as a single character F > elsewhere in the system so entity10 is a no-go. If we go to entityA,H > is there a graceful way to get entity_number to click over from 9 to A
 > and beyond?  > / > A nice Friday afternoon brain-teaser, I hope.   9 $ entity_number = f$fao ( "!1XL", %x'entity_number' + 1 )   > Now your entity number is a hex string.  And math is performedA by converting it to integer, adding 1 and converting back to hex.   ? DCL's implicit conversion rules work out so that if your entity @ number was initialized as an integer between 0 and 9, it will be< treated as the corresponding hex string between "0" and "9".   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:58:28 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com8 Subject: Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A? Message-ID: <OFDBA0BA62.F03DB7F3-ON85256D91.005D0721@metso.com>   6 > Of course, when you get to sixteen, you'll get "10".< So he really needs base 36 arithmetic to get to 0..9,A..Z at8 least...or some number-to-character and back conversion.  B From:  "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> on 08/29/2003 12:21 PM  6 Please respond to "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:   ; Subject:    Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A     D > We have just deployed entity8 and are considering what to do afterA > entity9. The entity number is stored/used as a single character F > elsewhere in the system so entity10 is a no-go. If we go to entityA,H > is there a graceful way to get entity_number to click over from 9 to A
 > and beyond?   
 How about:  .   $ entity_char = f$fao ("!XL", entity_number)  A This will give you a string from "0" through "9", followed by "A" B through "Z".  Of course, when you get to sixteen, you'll get "10".  A Apply to everywhere you were using entity_number as a string, you  will be set to go.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 12:00:51 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A3 Message-ID: <DPd156dm5Bak@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <a45e317a.0308290753.5d5bdf32@posting.google.com>, composvms@wr.clara.net (The Architrave) writes:  > D > We have just deployed entity8 and are considering what to do afterA > entity9. The entity number is stored/used as a single character F > elsewhere in the system so entity10 is a no-go. If we go to entityA,H > is there a graceful way to get entity_number to click over from 9 to A
 > and beyond?    > $ entity_number = 1 	 > $ loop: : > $ entity_type = f$logical("entity''entity_number'_type") > $ gosub do_stuff% > $ entity_number = entity_number + 1   4   $ entity_number = f$fao("!XB",entity_number) - "0"  G > $ if entity_number .lt. f$logical("deployed_entities") then goto loop  > $ exit  ;    Then you have through entityF to really fix the problem.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:21:53 GMT ' From: "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@hp.com> 8 Subject: Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A0 Message-ID: <RYL3b.3712$Vt7.92@news.cpqcorp.net>  ) <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message 9 news:OFDBA0BA62.F03DB7F3-ON85256D91.005D0721@metso.com...  > 8 > > Of course, when you get to sixteen, you'll get "10".> > So he really needs base 36 arithmetic to get to 0..9,A..Z at: > least...or some number-to-character and back conversion. > D > From:  "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> on 08/29/2003 12:21 PM > 8 > Please respond to "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> >  > To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > cc:  > = > Subject:    Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A  >  > F > > We have just deployed entity8 and are considering what to do afterC > > entity9. The entity number is stored/used as a single character H > > elsewhere in the system so entity10 is a no-go. If we go to entityA,J > > is there a graceful way to get entity_number to click over from 9 to A > > and beyond?  >  > How about: > 0 >   $ entity_char = f$fao ("!XL", entity_number) > C > This will give you a string from "0" through "9", followed by "A" D > through "Z".  Of course, when you get to sixteen, you'll get "10". > C > Apply to everywhere you were using entity_number as a string, you  > will be set to go. >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com   I OK, here's a way to get 0-9 and A-Z - single character placed in "suffix"   
 $  entity = 0  $loop: $  if entity .gt. 35 then exit $  if entity .lt. 10 $  then  $  suffix = "''entity'"  $  else  $    suffix="" $    suffix[0,8]=(entity-10)+65  $  endif $  write sys$output suffix $  entity = entity + 1 $  goto loop   --  	 Mike Kier 0 Consultant, HP Consulting & Integration Services Cincinnati, OH, USA  mike.kier@hp.com  ' "Practice random acts of VMS marketing"    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 00:49:47 -0700 From: tvk73@hotmail.com (tvk) & Subject: Re: DFG 2.7 error on IDE disk< Message-ID: <a328ef1c.0308282349.1d62058@posting.google.com>  5 Try running Analyze/disk/repair once and then defrag.      --tvk _ "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message news:<3F4DBD42.1643.D6A57FC@localhost>... A > Every time I attempt to defrag one of my IDE disks on my Alpha   > (running V7.3-1), I get: > C > %DFG-F-MOVFILQIOERR, QIO error on movefile for volume _FAST$DQA0: ) > -SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value  >  > Any suggestions? >  >  >  > The full log is: > * > Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS DFG V2.7C >     Time:                                            19-AUG-2003  
 > 05:00:09.09 ? >     Process ID:                                      20200257 ; >     Node:                                            FAST  >     Run time parameters:8 >         Defragmentation level:                       29 >         Defragment placed files:                     No : >         Defragment indexed files:                    Yes< >         Log file report:                             Brief9 >         Notify user by mail:                         No : >         Notify user by opcom:                        Yes8 >         Default priority:                            48 >         Minimum priority:                            39 >         Query hotfile database:                      No 8 >         RVN to defragment:                           0: >         Consolidate freespace:                       Yes: >         Perform write check:                         Yes >    >    >    > Defragmentation process start  >    >         Process ID: 20200257 >         Device: _FAST$DQA0: ' >         Time: 19-AUG-2003 05:00:10.19  >    >   * >     Volume name:             _FAST$DQA0:$ >     Media name:              IDE50! >     Cluster factor:          77 ' >     Number of blocks:        80043264  >   C > Begin file evaluation phase:                         19-AUG-2003  
 > 05:00:11.21  >   C >     Candidates for defragmentation (based on the defragmentation  	 > level):  >    >   C > Begin free space consolidation:                      19-AUG-2003  
 > 05:01:00.55 # > There are 286 consolidation areas E >     ERROR   DISK$FAST_USER:[EMOM.SYS1.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]TPSERV.EXE;1  >         FID: (83429,1,0)" >         Relative volume number 0) >         LBN number on disk     76807962 $ >         Number of LBNs to move 154" >         Starting VBN in file   1C > %DFG-F-MOVFILQIOERR, QIO error on movefile for volume _FAST$DQA0: ) > -SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:16:29 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>& Subject: Re: DFG 2.7 error on IDE disk. Message-ID: <3F4F441D.7405.13612115@localhost>  7 > Try running Analyze/disk/repair once and then defrag.   $ I did that, but it still fails with:C   %DFG-F-MOVFILQIOERR, QIO error on movefile for volume _FAST$DQA0: )   -SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value     P Analyze/Disk_Structure/Repair for _FAST$DQA0: started on 29-AUG-2003 09:55:24.60  . %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS" -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file: %ANALDISK-W-DELHEADER, file (270,69,0) DISK_MONITOR.COM;56         marked for delete ; %ANALDISK-W-DELHEADER, file (276,134,0) DISK_MONITOR.COM;52          marked for delete 8 %ANALDISK-W-DELHEADER, file (413,245,0) SHR$ERROR.EXE;65         marked for delete 9 %ANALDISK-W-DELHEADER, file (418,3083,0) SHR$ERROR.EXE;61          marked for delete   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:42:06 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: DSSI problem - Message-ID: <87brua5typ.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com> writes:  C > In article <mV33b.3380$O05.91@news.cpqcorp.net>, Bob Blunt wrote:   ? >> You DO see the host bus ids when you type "SHOW DSSI" at the D >> console?  Do these match the ID plugs on the front of the console >> bulkhead?  D > Yes I do - they have ID's 6 and 7 (and match).  I've also tried to3 > exchange them, and SHOW DSSI reflects the change.   B Odd ball, but what happens if you cable A to B and do a SHOW DSSI,, with different controler unit nos of course?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:37:11 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: emacs :was  HTML favourite editor? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGENJHNAA.tom@kednos.com>   B What is the status of your project?  Anything to share with hungry emacs-ites?    >-----Original Message----- E >From: ttn@gnufans.net [mailto:ttn@gnufans.net]On Behalf Of Thien-Thi  >Nguyen ' >Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:08 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com$ >Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? >  > & >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: > G >> Emacs runs almost everywhere, although getting the latest version of 1 >> it and its sibling Xemacs on VMS is a problem.  > 2 >it is a problem that i'm working on.  stay tuned. >  >thi >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 4/10/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:05:07 +0200 ( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL>5 Subject: RE: Fortran defered length character string? C Message-ID: <6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737DA1@wt15.wt.tno.nl>   ? I myself use the STR$TRIM routine and use the length parameter.  Just 'copying' the into itself.    CHARACTER c64STRING*64 INTEGER*2 i2LENGTH  - CALL STR$TRIM(c64STRING, c64STRING, i2LENGTH)   K This should provide you the actual FILLED length, if that is want you need.    Mark   -----Original Message------ From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org 0 [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]& Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 21:40  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 Subject: Fortran defered length character string?           Compaq Fortran V7.3  C    Is there any way to get an allocatable character with a deferred D    length instead of a fixed length character of deferred dimension?  D    A deferred size array is just not what I'm looking for, I want a B    single string who's length I determine at run time.  In generalB    I don't have a reasonable value for a maximum length so I don't3    want to track the used size of a larger string.    @    I know I can simulate this this by creating an extra layer of@    subroutines and passing the length as an argument, but that's7    pretty painfull when one has lots of such strings.      ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 09:04:33 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Fortran defered length character string? 3 Message-ID: <jC4r4C$aPTwV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <howard-35C36D.22182728082003@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:5 > In article <PwjVk1nFNxi6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? >  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  > F >>    Is there any way to get an allocatable character with a deferredG >>    length instead of a fixed length character of deferred dimension?  > C > Check out the STR$ run-time library (in the RTL manuals) and the  K > appropriate dynamic string descriptor (in the Calling Standard manual).   : > This is a set of features of VMS, not of Fortran per se. >   C    And one I've been meaning to learn, but I thought I'd once heard B    Fortran 95 had added dynamic length strings.  It looks like its4    actually the next standard that does what I want.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 09:05:52 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: RE: Fortran defered length character string? 3 Message-ID: <8iu4gkcXox$B@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737DA1@wt15.wt.tno.nl>, "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL> writes:A > I myself use the STR$TRIM routine and use the length parameter. ! > Just 'copying' the into itself.  >  > CHARACTER c64STRING*64 > INTEGER*2 i2LENGTH > / > CALL STR$TRIM(c64STRING, c64STRING, i2LENGTH)  > M > This should provide you the actual FILLED length, if that is want you need.   B    Nope, I've done that for years, too.  What I was looking for isG    a way to allocate the string after I know what length I need.  Looks !    like F95 just doesn't have it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:40:01 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Full system disk 4 Message-ID: <bin71h$bf4$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  G I've just installed the vms73_update_2 patch (along with pcsi & sys 6). 3 Now the system disk (1Gb rx26f) is full (12M free).   D I moved off the page files some time ago, and removed the dump file.  G There's quite a lot (84M) of *.*_OLD files around, presumably from the  D installations I've just done (I had to delete all the older ones to H complete the installation). I presume these would be needed if I wanted G to use the product undo feature ? (I might, because I had trouble with  H sys5 before, which is included in update 2). Could I zip & remove these?  H There's also around 300Mb of files with expiry over 2 years ago (we use I volume retention 1min/1day) - are there any system files which don't get  H their expiry updated, which I shouldn't zip up & remove ? Are there any ( good reasons not to zip & remove these ?   Thanks,  Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:59:12 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: Full system disk 4 Message-ID: <bin85g$56p$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Chris Sharman wrote:5 > Now the system disk (1Gb rx26f) is full (12M free).  > F > I moved off the page files some time ago, and removed the dump file. > I > There's quite a lot (84M) of *.*_OLD files around, presumably from the  F > installations I've just done (I had to delete all the older ones to J > complete the installation). I presume these would be needed if I wanted I > to use the product undo feature ? (I might, because I had trouble with  J > sys5 before, which is included in update 2). Could I zip & remove these? > J > There's also around 300Mb of files with expiry over 2 years ago (we use K > volume retention 1min/1day) - are there any system files which don't get  J > their expiry updated, which I shouldn't zip up & remove ? Are there any * > good reasons not to zip & remove these ?  E Should have mentioned, it's an Alphastation 255/233, 96M memory, 1Gb    system disk, 2G & 9G user disks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:09:30 -0400 $ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>3 Subject: RE: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A J Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B2E1@lespaul.process.com>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: composvms@wr.clara.net [mailto:composvms@wr.clara.net]( > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:54 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 > Subject: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A >  [snip] > D > We have just deployed entity8 and are considering what to do afterA > entity9. The entity number is stored/used as a single character F > elsewhere in the system so entity10 is a no-go. If we go to entityA,H > is there a graceful way to get entity_number to click over from 9 to A
 > and beyond?  > / > A nice Friday afternoon brain-teaser, I hope.  >   7 One of my procedures uses the following(inelegant steps 1 to count upward in hex.  You can adjust the f$fao 3 directive or use f$extract so that you're left with  a single character.   6 (Old and new are text strings representing 8-character/ filenames that contain only the characters 0-F)    $ old = %x'old $ old = old + 1  $ new = f$fao("!XL",old)   -Mike Duffy       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:11:04 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>3 Subject: Re: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A 9 Message-ID: <bintup$b3p93$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    The Architrave wrote:  > $ entity_number = 1 	 > $ loop: : > $ entity_type = f$logical("entity''entity_number'_type")    Replace that line with this one;   $ entity_type = 6 f$logical("entity''f$fao("!1XB",entity_number)'_type")   > $ gosub do_stuff% > $ entity_number = entity_number + 1 = > $ if entity_number .lt. f$logical("deployed_entities") then 	 goto loop  > $ exit   -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:13:47 GMT ' From: "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@hp.com> 3 Subject: Re: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A 1 Message-ID: <%YK3b.3703$jp7.685@news.cpqcorp.net>   : "The Architrave" <composvms@wr.clara.net> wrote in message7 news:a45e317a.0308290753.5d5bdf32@posting.google.com... = > My first post, so please forgive me if it is inappropriate.  > H > We have a number of entities called entity1, entity2, etc. Some of our4 > jobs run through all the entities using code like: >  > $ entity_number = 1 	 > $ loop: : > $ entity_type = f$logical("entity''entity_number'_type") > $ gosub do_stuff% > $ entity_number = entity_number + 1 G > $ if entity_number .lt. f$logical("deployed_entities") then goto loop  > $ exit > D > We have just deployed entity8 and are considering what to do afterA > entity9. The entity number is stored/used as a single character F > elsewhere in the system so entity10 is a no-go. If we go to entityA,H > is there a graceful way to get entity_number to click over from 9 to A
 > and beyond?  > / > A nice Friday afternoon brain-teaser, I hope.   
 Use F$FAO:   $ entity = 0 $loop: $ entity = entity + 1  $ if entity .gt. 15 then exit   $ suffix = f$fao("!1XL", entity) $ write sys$output suffix  $ goto loop    --  	 Mike Kier 0 Consultant, HP Consulting & Integration Services Cincinnati, OH, USA  mike.kier@hp.com  ' "Practice random acts of VMS marketing"    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 08:50:36 -07004 From: chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com (Chris Breemer)C Subject: Re: How to determine which client is connected to a server = Message-ID: <d62022e4.0308290750.5d94096a@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3F456FCB.C88DCF2C@fsi.net>... > Chris Breemer wrote: > > < > > Thanks guys for your helpful replies, I'm all happy now.8 > > Good to see the VMS newsgroup is alive and kicking ! > F > I am frequently tempted to think of it as a "near death experience".  @ I'm sure it has seen better days. But at least one can still get? a helpful response - which is not always the case in some, far   bigger newsgroups !    Cheers
      Chris   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:14:53 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Security 0 Message-ID: <bincje$97r$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <biksij$c76$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > @ >>You could argue that because Compaq had the gall to charge forB >>something that in almost every other OS was a standard component? >>then the very least they could have done was get the security  >>reporting sorted out.  >  > I >    Like Solaris and the C compiler?  How often do you clean the windows  >    in your glass house?  >      Hardly.   = Having the ability to connect to the network is a rather more C fundamental for most customers than being able to develop software.   @ Almost all customers need networking a smaller subset need to be able to develop software.k  C Your point would have been more valid if vendors supplied compilers=@ with their OE's as a matter of course. Apart from GCC which most? people including Sun supply I don't know of any major OE's thatn5 include commercial compilers in the standard release.w   Regardsr Andrew HarrisonO   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:19:10 +0100MO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>a Subject: Re: OpenVMS Security 0 Message-ID: <bincre$97r$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <biipgp$k9e$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > ? >>Perhaps if you had responded to the 2and paragraph instead ofo! >>this one, but you didn't shame.i >  > D >    I see you're just trying to stir up one of your finger pointingD >    name calling exchanges again.  Time to put you back in the kill
 >    file. >   . Feel free, what you kill you can't respond to.   RegardsA Andrew Harrisono   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:07:10 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Securitye0 Message-ID: <binflf$abs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Peter Weaver wrote: : >>>In article <bihul4$b9n$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew >>
 > Harrison > < >>>SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> >>	 > writes:- > 9 >>>>I only looked at 5 CERTS 4 of them were incorrect forO >>>e	 > OpenVMS  >  >>>>it was vunerable.  >>>  >>...O >  >  >>Hoff Hoffman wrote:D >  > 9 >>>  marketeering FUD, which CERT reports are being cited' >>
 > here?  I'lle >  >>...i >  > * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > = > A lot of stuff that did not answer the question "Which CERTo  > reports are being cited here?" > = > John Travell also asked Andrew "Can you identify which CERTe< > you are referring to?" and Andrew replied "POD, LAND and a1 > number of other IP stack vunerabilities (sic)."e > ; > I have also asked Andrew in the past for more informationa3 > about his FUD, but the question was ignored. (SeetJ> http://www.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=qjlo8.6849%24je5.51578%40nnrp1.uunet.ca&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2B%2522Andrew%2BHarrison%2BSUNUK%2522%2Bgroup:comp.os.vms%2Bauthor:*weaver*%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dqjlo8.6849%2524je5.51578%2540nnrp1.uunet.ca%26rnum%3D2< > or http://makeashorterlink.com/?M18521BB5 for the thread.) >    Nice BSl@ > Andrew, please give us the actual URL's that for these "Number@ > of other IP stack" CERT reports and the URL's showing that VMS- > was vulnerable, otherwise STOP POSTING FUD!  >   . http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1996-26.html  ; Origionally reported OpenVMS not to be effected was updatedEA after comments about non reporting of OpenVMS CERT vunerabilites.T  @ A patch existed for the IP stack when the origional advisory not, listing any OpenVMS vunerability was posted.  . http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-21.html  ( No OpenVMS listing but it was vunerable.  . http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1997-28.html   No OpenVMS responsee  1 But here is a question to and and answer from the6 Wizard    I "What versions of TCP/IP implementations on Open VMS platforms resist theM  land.c denial of service attack?     The Answer is :     A    This was remedied in TCP/IP Services UCX V4.1 and UCX V4.2 on r 10-Apr-1998,J    and systems with a UCX$BGDRIVER.EXE image dated on or after 10-Apr-1998G    should be sufficient.  The OpenVMS Wizard does not believe that the q TCP/IP    Services V5.0 was effected."a    6 I could go on but I have to ask myself how much humble1 pie do you want to eat and thats probably enough.i   A simple appology will do.   RegardsD Andrew Harrisona  * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > 8 >>That was me and I don't work for Sun Marketing, do you >  > really > : >>think that marketing people read CERTS and OpenVMS patch >  > reports ?l >  > According tow > http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/reportcard.asp?timespan=y&searchdate=6/30/2003&NGID=26562&searchfor=comp.os.vms-@ > (or http://makeashorterlink.com/?F3C421BB5) Andrew is the 26th? > most active user on COMP.OS.VMS for the first 6 months of theD@ > year. Click on "Profile" beside his name and you will see that@ > he also posts on alt.forklore.computers, but that was a thread( > started in comp.os.vms and he posts in@ > comp.databases.oracle.server, but that was a thread about VMS.9 > Do you really think a Sun employee who does not work in 7 > Marketing would spend so much time posting about VMS?  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:47:16 +0100eO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>t Subject: Re: OpenVMS Security 0 Message-ID: <binp1k$dih$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Mark Berryman wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >> Bob Koehler wrote:  >>E >>> In article <big30g$m7j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison bE >>> SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:" >>>e >>> @ >>>> Or simply incorrect in the case of OpenVMS where CERTs thatB >>>> OpenVMS was vunerable to were incorrectly responded to or not >>>> responded to at.  >>>d >>>  >>>  >>>mH >>>    Or CERTs which pointed at VMS, but were incorrect.  Add all thoseH >>>    handfulls and you still get a tiny fraction of what other OS get. >>>  >> >> >>@ >> I only looked at 5 CERTS 4 of them were incorrect for OpenVMSG >> it was vunerable. I have no idea if OpenVMS was vunerable to others,sA >> but its difficult to see how anyone can be confident about the ? >> accuracy of the others in the past given what appeared to be ? >> a culture security through obscurity which may have resulted=" >> in the poor responses to CERTS. >>F >> Its one thing for a vendor to incorrectly respond to a CERT because- >> they genuinely think they arn't vunerable.0 >>? >> Its very different when you find that a vendor has responded F >> saying that they arn't vunerable while quietly releasing a patch to5 >> fix the hole. Which is in essence what Compaq did.i >  > E > There are lies, and then there is the stuff the Andrew spews forth.e > I > Andrew has been claiming VMS was vulnerable to the attacks in question sJ > for some time.  He appears desperate to convince others that his stance E > is accurate.  It is not, the CERTS are accurate.  I know because I cC > explicitly tested several VMS systems for the vulnerabilities in -3 > question.  VMS survived every one of the attacks.n >    Take LAND as an example.  > No OpenVMS vunerability to LAND is listed in the CERT advisory for LAND in 1997.s  > However there is according to the Wizard a fix for LAND in the6 IP stack released after the advisory. Here is the Q&A.   "The Question is:K  H What versions of TCP/IP implementations on Open VMS platforms resist the  land.c denial of service attack?     The Answer is :o  A    This was remedied in TCP/IP Services UCX V4.1 and UCX V4.2 on   10-Apr-1998,J    and systems with a UCX$BGDRIVER.EXE image dated on or after 10-Apr-1998G    should be sufficient.  The OpenVMS Wizard does not believe that the   TCP/IP    Services V5.0 was effected."   ? If you can explain why Digital provided a fix for something you ; apparently tested without having an issue then feel free to ; do so. If you can't then feel obliged to eat humble pie andt
 apologise.  @ Perhaps you tested with the fix, perhaps The Wizard was confused> either way suggesting that I am lying is pretty abject on your9 part and deserves a suitably abject apology on your part.g  E > Note the difference here:  I explicitly tested and found the CERTS ,@ > claims to be accurate.  Andrew has never tested VMS for these : > vulnerabilities and yet insists that the CERTS are lies. >   = Note Digital issued patches for what you claim to have tested * for so who is confused you or The Wizard ? > You decide whom to believe.u >   7 Well at the moment its you or The Wizard, so who do youu beleive.   regardsd Andrew Harrison)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:07:57 -0400n< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Securityr9 Message-ID: <binq8e$ajbtl$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>,  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >...	 > Nice BSf    < What BS? People have asked for details, you either wave your= hand and say that the details are out there or you ignore the 	 question.1  9 >> Andrew, please give us the actual URL's that for these: "Number = >> of other IP stack" CERT reports and the URL's showing that7 VMS3. >> was vulnerable, otherwise STOP POSTING FUD! >> >n0 > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1996-26.html >t= > Origionally reported OpenVMS not to be effected was updatedn4 > after comments about non reporting of OpenVMS CERT vunerabilites. >a> > A patch existed for the IP stack when the origional advisory notd. > listing any OpenVMS vunerability was posted.  6 This reports that it was issued December 18, 1996. The revision history shows;   6 Dec. 5, 1997  Appendix A - Updated information for NCR Corporation.) Sep. 24,1997  Updated copyright statementt= Aug. 7, 1997  Changed vendor information for Sun Microsystems 	 to removen(               incorrect patch reference.< July 28, 1997 Added vendor information for Sun Microsystems.> Jan. 20, 1997 Appendix A - added information from Data General Corporation.8 Jan. 14, 1997 Appendix A - modified SCO entry to include
 updated patch                information.  = I'm sorry, but I do not see any revision showing that the VMSe7 information was modified. Do you have any proof of thise
 modification?g  0 > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-21.html >g* > No OpenVMS listing but it was vunerable.  < What proof do you have that VMS was vulnerable? Just because! you say it does not make it true.u  0 > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1997-28.html >o > No OpenVMS responsea >t3 > But here is a question to and and answer from the  > Wizard >  > 6 > "What versions of TCP/IP implementations on Open VMS platforms resist& > the land.c denial of service attack? >  >  > The Answer is :t >$ >i: >    This was remedied in TCP/IP Services UCX V4.1 and UCX V4.2 ont > 10-Apr-1998,: >    and systems with a UCX$BGDRIVER.EXE image dated on or afterr: >    10-Apr-1998 should be sufficient.  The OpenVMS Wizard does not > believe that the TCP/IPo! >    Services V5.0 was effected."   = Looks to me like you are right on this one entry, do you have ) any others that you are also right about?r  8 > I could go on but I have to ask myself how much humble3 > pie do you want to eat and thats probably enough.g  ; Please go on, I really am interested in knowing about these < things that the Sun Marketing department spends so much time' researching but almost no time proving.r   > A simple appology will do.  7 OK, let me write it for you; "I, Andrew Harrison, Sun'sx> Anti-VMS Marketing Director, apologize for spreading FUD about VMS."-'             Signature: x_______________ '                  Date: ________________j     -- D Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.s Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXO www.weaverconsulting.cac   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 11:06:32 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)A Subject: Re: OpenVMS Securityt3 Message-ID: <$6nfcvTC16BY@eisner.encompasserve.org>.   In article <bincje$97r$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  ? > Having the ability to connect to the network is a rather more9E > fundamental for most customers than being able to develop software.   J So will Solaris out-of-the-box be able to connect to my internal network ?  ( Using which of the two protocol suites ?   Hint: Beware of assumptions.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Aug 2003 16:59:36 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Securitye9 Message-ID: <bio0pn$aoq35$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>l  3 In article <$6nfcvTC16BY@eisner.encompasserve.org>,s0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > In article <bincje$97r$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > @ >> Having the ability to connect to the network is a rather moreF >> fundamental for most customers than being able to develop software. > L > So will Solaris out-of-the-box be able to connect to my internal network ?  B If you are using "the Industry Standard" (where have we heard thisB term before?) networking protocol, the answer is yes.  Is the sameF true of VMS?  Oh, and while were denigrating Solaris for not providingB a C compiler with the base distribution, which compilers come with& the VMS base distribution and license?   > Hint: Beware of assumptions.  @ One can safely assume that the majority of the rest of the world= is using TCPIP and Solaris will happily communicate with themt right out of the box.o   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 03:26:17 -07000 From: chris@townleyc.demon.co.uk (Chris Townley)- Subject: Re: Patching Ident field of an Imager= Message-ID: <93b50805.0308290226.6747700d@posting.google.com>-  v Chris Townley <news@townleyc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<k76tkvsj0egoicltm2c445qqrn8rq583m9@4ax.com>...E > On 25 Aug 2003 04:39:13 -0700, Anders.Wallin@om.com (Anders Wallin)r > wrote: > 	 > >Hello,e > >oC > >I would like to stamp the "Ident" field of an image with a valuetH > >reflecting a released system version. This information is however notB > >available during linking so I can't place it in an option file. > >.: > >Does anyone have a utility that can do this job for me? > >t' > >I'm using Alpha, VMS 7.2 and higher.9 > >  > 5 > Seen various conflicting posts (not) answering this@ > G > We stamp a version at (executable) release, currently derived from an  > ingres control database, > D > Dont have our release source to hand, but ISTR  it uses a standardD > interface to set te ident - I thought it was available on the linkB > command line, but just checked help and couldnt see it. Might be! > available only through the API.s > @ > I will follow up in the morning when I will have access to the > relevant source.  7 Refer to the Linker documentation fro the options file:y   IDENTIFICATION=s  - Sets the image-id field in the image header. l     Format IDENTIFICATION=id-name s    
 Option Valuess id-nameo? The maximum length of the identification character string is 15uF characters. If the string contains characters other than uppercase andE lowercase A through Z, the numerals 0 through 9, the dollar sign, and . the underscore, enclose it in quotation marks.     DescriptionW> The linker uses the value of the ID of the first object moduleB processed as the default image ID when producing any kind of imageF with an image header. Thereafter, as long as the image-id field is notF empty, it is not changed unless the linker encounters an object moduleE that has a transfer address on the end-of-module (EOM) object record. C (A transfer address is the main entry point for the image.) When it A encounters an object module that contains a transfer address, theeD linker uses the ID from that object module as the value of the image ID.VE Because shareable images normally do not have a main entry point, the0= image ID usually remains as the ID of the first object module2
 processed.     Examples  -     $  LINK MY_PROG,SYS$INPUT/OPT  IDENTIFICATION=MY_15_CHAR_NAME n [Ctrl/Z]         e   -- e Chrisg   ------------------------------  ! Date: Fri, 29 Aug 03 09:23:50 GMTe From: jmfbahciv@aol.com@$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates+ Message-ID: <bina0k$jsl$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   2 In article <bilifr$2vqo$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>,,    peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:H >In article <bgtadc$60n$2@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:A >>That isn't efficiency; it's brain damage.  I can see setting itFC >>up as a table and then indexing through it but this is documented- >>just by having the table.  r  C Just a note.  I've forgotten what I was talking about so if I drift B the thread, it's because I've lost the ends.  And I'm not to spend time going back. :-)   >t) >What if you don't have room for a table?   + You hash the table.  That's how ISAM works.  > B >In my closet I have the source code for a Z-80-based chat system.B >User passwords were things like A04B6/7M and couldn't be changed.B >That's because there wasn't room for any tables, so your passwordF >was 4 hex digits that were (IIRC) hashed with your username, followed@ >by the next 4 bytes found at the resulting address in the code.@ >Every time the system was upgraded all the users got mailed out >new passwords.   = One doesn't have to keep all user names in core all the time.s; This is data that is ONLY needed when somebody logs in.  Onr1 a multi-user system, nobody logs in continuously.    > > >>Bloat is caused, IMO, by programmers who think that all code* >>has to resident even if it's never used. > B >This system also recycled the memory used by the drivers and suchC >OS as it had, for buffers, so there wasn't anywhere BUT memory for @ >all code, and in any case secondary storage was too far away...@ >the program was supporting 8 modems by having a tight loop that? >spent 1/30th of a second on each modem reading and writing onem@ >character to or from the UART on the custom 8-port serial boardA >and doing *everything* needed to process anything that character * >needed to do before going on to the next.  = That would have been a point of rework in our group.  If the E> port code had to be realtime and couldn't be interrupted, then> it wasn't a timesharing nor a servicing-multiple-users system.   > @ >No interrupts. Too much overhead. Just a tight loop waiting forB >the "ready" bit on the UART, write (if anything pending), read, aC >couple of jumps through a state table, check a password or performy >a command, on to the next...-  E Everybody had that problem.  I suspect that one of the reasons SCNSER7B was a "mess" was just because of the things you've noted.  (SCNSER= was the monitor module that dealt with terminals in TOPS-10).- >-+ >Programming on a bitty box is *different*.3  J Bitty as in bytes?  Or bitty as in small?  If the latter, think again. :-)   /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.6   ------------------------------  ! Date: Fri, 29 Aug 03 09:25:51 GMTr From: jmfbahciv@aol.comt$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates+ Message-ID: <bina4c$jsl$2@bob.news.rcn.net>Q  2 In article <biljfj$30pg$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>,,    peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:H >In article <bgvrdi$nke$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:E >>Bletch!  OK, since we have to live with the architecture, that codefH >>should have a comment about $8001 entry to point out to the maintainer* >>that it's a multiple entry line of code. >5I >It probably did, but the source is almost certainly not available... all$! >you have to go on is the binary.l  @ Well, you know my attitude about not having sources go with the ? binaries :-).  But I can't see how (and this is due to my being.; biased with have a word-aligned machine) one JRSTs into the " middle of compiler-generated code.   /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.r   ------------------------------  ! Date: Fri, 29 Aug 03 11:05:26 GMT- From: jmfbahciv@aol.com2$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates+ Message-ID: <binfv1$1vf$2@bob.news.rcn.net>R  2 In article <bilgka$2uhp$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>,,    peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:H >In article <bhafg0$h2t$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:C >>That's what sane people would have done :-).  I get the distinct H) >>impression that MS-DOS didn't know how.c >h8 >EDLIN should be able to do that. It's a TECO lookalike.  > BARF!  No way.  Not if it's the EDLIN I tried to wrestle with.   /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:53:19 +0000 (UTC)e. From: dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans)$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates/ Message-ID: <binibv$phs$1@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca>   G In article <bina4c$jsl$2@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:sA >Well, you know my attitude about not having sources go with the C@ >binaries :-).  But I can't see how (and this is due to my being< >biased with have a word-aligned machine) one JRSTs into the# >middle of compiler-generated code.u >0  I   Oh, compiler-generated code would make this really really hard.  But in ? these cases the assembly code would usually be written by hand.A   -- eM David Evans          (NeXTMail/MIME OK)             dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.cayM Ph.D. Candidate, Computer/Synth Junkie     http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/tM University of Waterloo         "Default is the value selected by the composer0M Ontario, Canada           overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:56:32 +0000 (UTC),. From: dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans)$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates/ Message-ID: <binii0$pja$1@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca>   G In article <bina0k$jsl$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote: 3 >In article <bilifr$2vqo$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>,.- >   peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote: C >>In my closet I have the source code for a Z-80-based chat system.sC >>User passwords were things like A04B6/7M and couldn't be changed.eC >>That's because there wasn't room for any tables, so your password-G >>was 4 hex digits that were (IIRC) hashed with your username, followedmA >>by the next 4 bytes found at the resulting address in the code.lA >>Every time the system was upgraded all the users got mailed out7 >>new passwords. >.> >One doesn't have to keep all user names in core all the time.  (   What if you have no secondary storage?  D   I have no idea what Peter's chat system is like, but coding for itA (and other itty bitty machines) had more in common with old-style G embedded work than with coding for "a computer".  Often the application  code *is* the OS.r  < >This is data that is ONLY needed when somebody logs in.  On2 >a multi-user system, nobody logs in continuously.  5   How do you get a list of who's currently logged in?n   -- rM David Evans          (NeXTMail/MIME OK)             dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.calM Ph.D. Candidate, Computer/Synth Junkie     http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/cM University of Waterloo         "Default is the value selected by the composerkM Ontario, Canada           overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manualg   ------------------------------  ! Date: Fri, 29 Aug 03 13:19:09 GMTn From: jmfbahciv@aol.comu$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates+ Message-ID: <binnpr$jhk$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   / In article <binii0$pja$1@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca>,t2    dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote:H >In article <bina0k$jsl$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:4 >>In article <bilifr$2vqo$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>,. >>   peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:D >>>In my closet I have the source code for a Z-80-based chat system.D >>>User passwords were things like A04B6/7M and couldn't be changed.D >>>That's because there wasn't room for any tables, so your passwordH >>>was 4 hex digits that were (IIRC) hashed with your username, followedB >>>by the next 4 bytes found at the resulting address in the code.B >>>Every time the system was upgraded all the users got mailed out >>>new passwords.e >>? >>One doesn't have to keep all user names in core all the time.t > ) >  What if you have no secondary storage?p   I'd buy me a card reader.r   > E >  I have no idea what Peter's chat system is like, but coding for itSB >(and other itty bitty machines) had more in common with old-styleH >embedded work than with coding for "a computer".  Often the application >code *is* the OS.  D That's more like a realtime system.  I suspect most OSes started outA as an "application".  As it evolved, there became the need for a o? distinction between per-user services and system-wide services.:? It sounds like Peter was hand making a wheel to fit the gear heo had.    G Caveat time:  I AM NOT stating that Peter is wrong.  I AM NOT trying to18 tell him that he was dumb doing it the way he did do it.    > = >>This is data that is ONLY needed when somebody logs in.  On 3 >>a multi-user system, nobody logs in continuously.6 >R6 >  How do you get a list of who's currently logged in?   <GRIN>  SYSTAT<CR>  ; Flippancy aside.  Why do you care?  If the user isn't doingf; anything, you don't need to pay any attention to him nor do,( you have to do anything in his behalf.    D Things do get more complicated if you start to think that you should! charge him for connect time.  :-)-     /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.:   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:46:33 +0000 (UTC)t. From: dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans)$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates/ Message-ID: <binp09$s96$1@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca>)  G In article <binnpr$jhk$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote: 0 >In article <binii0$pja$1@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca>,3 >   dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote:nI >>In article <bina0k$jsl$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote: @ >>>One doesn't have to keep all user names in core all the time. >>* >>  What if you have no secondary storage? >  >I'd buy me a card reader. >a  I   Presumably you had better have a punch as well, if you want the machiner2 to be able to accommodate new users by itself.  :)  > >>>This is data that is ONLY needed when somebody logs in.  On4 >>>a multi-user system, nobody logs in continuously. >>7 >>  How do you get a list of who's currently logged in?  >  ><GRIN>  SYSTAT<CR>  >   
   Har har.  < >Flippancy aside.  Why do you care?  If the user isn't doing< >anything, you don't need to pay any attention to him nor do) >you have to do anything in his behalf.  y >m  I   "You" as in the OS may not care, but "you" as a user of the chat system + may be very keen to see who else is online.f   -- MM David Evans          (NeXTMail/MIME OK)             dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.cafM Ph.D. Candidate, Computer/Synth Junkie     http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/tM University of Waterloo         "Default is the value selected by the composer M Ontario, Canada           overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manualu   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:07:46 GMTy  From: Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com>$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release DatesK Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308291107240.9389-100000@localhost.localdomain>   % On 28 Aug 2003, Peter da Silva wrote:r  9 > EDLIN should be able to do that. It's a TECO lookalike.   + More like an "ed" lookalike, if you ask me.n     -- d  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com A G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free!d6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)4                                  (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:48:00 +02008( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>) Subject: Re: Philips CDR2600 and CDRECORDc9 Message-ID: <bin7il$b7g5i$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>u  . <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> schreef in bericht* news:00A25122.A74E0419@SendSpamHere.ORG...E > In article <bilqib$apnp3$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "H Vlems"   <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes: > >.1 > ><VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> schreef in berichtc- > >news:00A250B5.1DF839D3@SendSpamHere.ORG...aK > >> In article <bikivf$a0v6g$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Hans Vlems"t# > ><hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes:d0 > >> >Is the Philips 2600 supported by CDRECORD? > >>B > >> I should have also asked, are you experiencing a problem that precipitated > >> your question?s > >>K > >Err, no, it was a question of a boolean nature actually and the expectedtK > >answer was a simple yes or no. The reason I asked the question is that It wasaK > >given a Philips CDD2600 (it's CDD not CDR) and before connecting it to aaH > >VAXstation 4000-90A running VMS 7.3 and figuring out how to use it, I9 > >thought let's ask c.o.v whether it stands a chance :-)e > >oJ > >In the mean time I learned that the CDD2600 is on line but all attempts to0 > >get to the medium result in an error message:J > >"no disk/invalid medium"; and this with CDRECORD 1.8. CDRECORD seems toJ > >recognize the device and that more or less answers my initial question. ItJ > >is not possible to write, read or blank CD-RW disks at any speed. So my best: > >guess up to now is that the 2600 is useless. Any hints? > >e > >Hans  > >e > >_ >b > DK or GK driver??? >e > --H The results described earlier are with the DK driver. I'll look into the GKdriver. Thanks!a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:45:02 GMT-0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>( Subject: Re: read on socket returns zero= Message-ID: <2wD3b.70402$bo1.5478@news-server.bigpond.net.au>-  H Unless I miss the point of your question... from the docs you will see a; return value of 0 means the peer has closed the connection.3   Matt.. -- e= -------------------------------------------------------------o OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companyf Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAh= -------------------------------------------------------------     : "Bhushan Narkhede" <bhushann@hotmail.com> wrote in message6 news:8a3b834.0308280829.6e4b5c71@posting.google.com... > Hi,  > * >    I am working on a vms socket program.K > During the initial connection there is a successful read of 16 bytes thann4 > during 2nd read on the socket fd, it returns zero.. > What could be the possible reasons for this. > 
 > Regards, > Bs   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:10:15 GMT 2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>< Subject: Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy Presentation available> Message-ID: <XNL3b.40577$r15.1576203@twister.southeast.rr.com>  K Rich Marcello's BCS Strategy was one of the presentations at HP World 2003. K He discusses the Adaptive Enterprise, the Integrity (Itanium2) server line,nK OpenVMS: it's future and porting status, HP-UX's future and the progress of 8 integrating parts of Tru64, and Linux in the enterprise.  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/08/29/3410320e   -- Kenneth Farmer  <><r' SpyderByte Network of Technical Portalsc   OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org   EnterpriseUnix.org  |  Tru64.org$ EnterpriseLinux.org  |  LinuxHPC.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:22:58 +0200F$ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at>/ Subject: Re: Shadow_max Copy Was: 306GB drives! 9 Message-ID: <bind2j$bckao$1@ID-201992.news.uni-berlin.de>i  < "Karl Rohwedder" <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> wrote  K > It is done via logicals names, which specify sort a weight factor betweeno! 100 and 1000 and defaults to 200:e6 > (the higher to more IO's are dedicated to shadowing) >g1 >   SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_FACTOR is for all shadowsets-: >   SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_FACTOR_DSAnnn is for shadowset DSAnnn >nJ > Every 1000 IO's or so, the shadowdriver rereads this logicals, so active merges can be controlled >  > (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)0@ >- >n
 Not quite.< This logical defines a factor in percent between the fastest+ and the slowest IO on a disk beeing merged.n@ If this factor is exceeded, the pace of mergeing is slowed down.A By setting this value to 1000 the slowest IO may take 10 times as @ long as the fastest IO and still the merge is done at full pace.? By setting the factor to 100 ( the slowest and the fastest mustn@ be the same )  the merge is significantly slowed down as soon as< not all IOs beeing done during the merge process are exactly the same speed. < So by setting these parameters you can only very arbitrarily: influencing the speed of a merge operation by setting up aB 'scenario' or environment for the shadowmerge AND afaik you cannot; influence the order of shadow sets beeing merged or copied.h Petern   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:19:28 +0200 (MET).9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o! Subject: Re: SHOW SYSTEM questionn; Message-ID: <01L01C8S0DEEAOOLBD@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>d  E > Maybe not the answer that you're looking for, but, one way would beuE > that an already present process had it's name changed to match XXX._   That was it!   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 06:44:52 -0700+ From: john.oxley@johnoxley.com (John Oxley)r" Subject: SNDJBCW and logical names< Message-ID: <71a67b3.0308290544.646a1928@posting.google.com>  B I have an application which uses SYS$SNDJBCW to submit jobs to theE SYS$BATCH queue. I thought I could define a logical for the sys$batchaE queue and then the jobs would go to the new queue but it doesn't seemeD to work. I can't have all the application relinked so I need another# way to do it. Anyone got any ideas?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:00:58 +0100-0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>& Subject: Re: SNDJBCW and logical names4 Message-ID: <binmaq$s27$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   John Oxley wrote:OD > I have an application which uses SYS$SNDJBCW to submit jobs to theG > SYS$BATCH queue. I thought I could define a logical for the sys$batch G > queue and then the jobs would go to the new queue but it doesn't seemoF > to work. I can't have all the application relinked so I need another% > way to do it. Anyone got any ideas?   5 Should work - we use a similar approach for SYS$PRINTfH What logical name table are you using: /proc, /job, /group, /system, or H some other ? Which tables is the application looking at ? (should be as  defined by lnm$dcl_logical)    Chrisu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:10:21 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)& Subject: Re: SNDJBCW and logical names1 Message-ID: <03082909102138@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>d   john.oxley@johnoxley.com wrote:rD > I have an application which uses SYS$SNDJBCW to submit jobs to theG > SYS$BATCH queue. I thought I could define a logical for the sys$batchtG > queue and then the jobs would go to the new queue but it doesn't seem8F > to work. I can't have all the application relinked so I need another% > way to do it. Anyone got any ideas?p    O Not sure if this will apply, however I had similiar problems when attempting toDM submit jobs.  The problem I ran into was $SNDJBC required me to translate therO logical name prior to use.  That was VAX V5.5 I think - and it was to translatee the directory logical.  B Try using the $TRNLNM to translate SYS$BATCH - maybe it will work.     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:21:49 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>& Subject: Re: SNDJBCW and logical names4 Message-ID: <binnht$ijs$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk>   Chris Sharman wrote: > John Oxley wrote:/ > E >> I have an application which uses SYS$SNDJBCW to submit jobs to theuH >> SYS$BATCH queue. I thought I could define a logical for the sys$batchH >> queue and then the jobs would go to the new queue but it doesn't seemG >> to work. I can't have all the application relinked so I need anotherh& >> way to do it. Anyone got any ideas? >  > 7 > Should work - we use a similar approach for SYS$PRINTCJ > What logical name table are you using: /proc, /job, /group, /system, or J > some other ? Which tables is the application looking at ? (should be as  > defined by lnm$dcl_logical)t  I I'm not sure whether the translation is done by the calling application, tH or the job controller - if it's the job controller you'd have to define  it at system level or similar.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 01:27:07 -05004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)Y Subject: Re: Stop swimming upstream: was Re: AlphaStation ES47 is out, but will it supporV3 Message-ID: <p1wwJpjDZwWV@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  U In article <00A250F0.EE5107E4@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:6d > In article <20030828084629.28ac6ae9.mathog@caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes: > {...snip...}F >>Pretty much everyone already has a PC sitting on their desk and they > 1 > *NOT* on the desk of this pretty much everyone!t >   ; I _do_ have a PC sitting on my desk at home.  I gutted the s@ motherboard and other boards and used the case and power supply 6 to provide an external disk cabinet for my 4000-VLC.     Finally, a good use for a PC.   5 tagline:  OpenVMS.  Worm free for well over a decade!-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:30:37 -0400n) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>H+ Subject: Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IVe; Message-ID: <mXF3b.13555$Cg2.1195343@news20.bellglobal.com>o  K "Michael Austin" <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote in messageB2 news:vzx3b.29$qf2.28@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com... >w [...snip...] >mI > Then you will always have both if necessary.  Remember, DECNET Phase IVs > is NOT routable. >  [...snip...] >p > Michael Austin >aJ This is not true. DECnet routing is possible if you have more than one NICJ (obviously) and a "DECnet routing" licence. We've combined NAS licences ofJ junked machines ("NET-APP-SUP-200") to allow DECnet routing and I've heardI that combining "DECnet end" licences ("DVNETEND") will work as well but I> haven't tried it.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,r Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/V8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 04:04:42 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)a+ Subject: Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IV = Message-ID: <a98cd882.0308290304.72396406@posting.google.com>o  D DECnet Phase IV was/is routable. You have routing functionality bothA as host-based or as dedicated routers. Most Cisco routers also doh? (did?) DECnet Phase IV routing if so configured (and licensed?)'  4 Protocols such as LAT, MOP and SCS are not routable.  	 Bart Zornh    ~ Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote in message news:<vzx3b.29$qf2.28@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>... > Jeff Cameron wrote:l >   > > I need a little help please. > > F > > I'm Running VMS 7.3 on an ES20 and I am currently running DECNet+. > > O > > I'm moving this system to another network, and I need to Abandon my currenteL > > Decnet+ configuration and Revert back to Phase IV with all new settings. > > N > > I have a backup of my system disk for when it needs to go back. And I haveP > > already taken care of the SCSSYSTEMID to reflect the new DecNet node number. > > M > > What do I need to do to wipe out DecNet+ and go to Phase IV. Do I need toe > > reinstall VMS? > >  > > Thank you in advance.f > >  > I > You need to load the Install CD, remove DECNET+ and reinstall Phase IV.t >  > OR > I > go to your routing .ncl script in sys$startup  and set the primary NIC .* > port to send/receive Phase IV addresses.D > (Phase IV addressing TRUE)  If you have no open channels, you can G > disable routing on that port, set PhaseIV true and re-enable without iI > rebooting. (I have had to do that a lot lately on our "backup" network o > -- used only for backups). > J > Then you will always have both if necessary.  Remember, DECNET Phase IV  > is NOT routable. >  >  > Michael Austin   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:09:31 -0400y) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>t+ Subject: Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IV : Message-ID: <NvG3b.10715$nw3.378549@news20.bellglobal.com>  K "Michael Austin" <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote in messager2 news:vzx3b.29$qf2.28@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com... >t [...snip...] >aI > Then you will always have both if necessary.  Remember, DECNET Phase IVe > is NOT routable. >s [...snip...] >a > Michael Austin >oJ This is not true. DECnet routing is possible if you have more than one NICJ (obviously) and a "DECnet routing" licence. We've combined NAS licences ofJ junked machines ("NET-APP-SUP-200") to allow DECnet routing and I've heardI that combining "DECnet end" licences ("DVNETEND") will work as well but Ib haven't tried it.1  M Now you need to enable routing by changing the TYPE parameter of the executore5 node followed by a DECnet restart or a system reboot.i  
   $mcr ncp   >help set exec type   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,s Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/t8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:30:17 +0200T< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>1 Subject: Re: Vipul's Razor patched to work on VMSe8 Message-ID: <binh12$bh695$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>    Michael, thanks for your effort.   Michael Lemke wrote:7 > I've got it working.  I just submitted a few patches. 
 > Checkout >eL http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=797003&group_id=397
 8&atid=303978o >sL http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=793933&group_id=397
 8&atid=103978   6 If you now just could upload the patch itself, please?F I get "No Files Currently Attached" with all those patch/bugfix pages.   Thanks,e   Martin --F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.detF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Aug 2003 07:53:44 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)& Subject: Re: We need your DS10 Systems= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0308290653.4de3b7aa@posting.google.com>.  ^ David Turner <david@hpaq-dot-net> wrote in message news:<vkt9pltfpf1h2e@news.supernews.com>...
 > Actually > " > It's not one particular customer > J > It's a conglomeration of about 30 customers all looking for DS10 systems >  >  > K > Seriously though - if ANYONE has ANY DS10 systems XP900 XP1000 or VS10 s o > we want to hear from you > + > With or without licenses  PLEASE  ! !!!!!t >  >  >  > Thanks >  > David   > This is why I haven't managed to pick up a cheap EV6 system toA supplement my current top box (PWS600au).  Everytime prices start1A dipping down a bit, David gets a big sale and scoops them all up,e- drives up the prices, and leaves me EV6-less.e   Darn you, David!   ;)     'Sokay, I'll get one eventually!   Rich   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.478 ************************