1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 30 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 480       Contents:M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal  Cleaning up license database  Re: Cleaning up license database/ Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A  Re: DSSI problem Re: DSSI problem Re: Full system disk4 LK463 USB/PS2 Keyboard (was: Stop swimming upstream)8 Re: LK463 USB/PS2 Keyboard (was: Stop swimming upstream) Re: OpenVMS Security Re: OpenVMS Security Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates + Re: Require updated version of BLOCKING.MAR + Re: Require updated version of BLOCKING.MAR  Serial console Re: Stop swimming upstream Re: Stop swimming upstream Re: Stop swimming upstream Re: Stop swimming upstream Re: Stop swimming upstream Re: Stop swimming upstream" Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IV Re: We need your DS10 Systems   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:26:13 +0200 ) From: Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX TerminalB Message-ID: <aus-1381C3.08261330082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  0 In article <G2S3b.3784$r5.534@news.cpqcorp.net>,7  "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:   G > As a side note, we are adding a new set terminal command and terminal L > attribute so that the user can select BACKSPACE == DELETE.  That is, treatL > backspace (^H) as a rubout as well as delete as a rubout.  I think it's inI > V7.3-2, I know it will be in the IA64 release (dunno if it made it into K > 7.3-2 offhand).  The function key to get to the start of the current line 6 > will still work normally even when this mode is set.    , Fred, that's both interesting and good news.  7 Is there (or will there be) a patch for Open VMS 7.2-1?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:35:36 +0200 ) From: Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX TerminalB Message-ID: <aus-C6E38B.14353630082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  B In article <aus-1381C3.08261330082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>,+  Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:   2 > In article <G2S3b.3784$r5.534@news.cpqcorp.net>,9 >  "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  > I > > As a side note, we are adding a new set terminal command and terminal N > > attribute so that the user can select BACKSPACE == DELETE.  That is, treatN > > backspace (^H) as a rubout as well as delete as a rubout.  I think it's inK > > V7.3-2, I know it will be in the IA64 release (dunno if it made it into M > > 7.3-2 offhand).  The function key to get to the start of the current line 8 > > will still work normally even when this mode is set. > E Fred, another thought - What code sequence does the Terminal have to  I send in order to have the delete key work properly on the VMS host? If I  G pass this code on to the MacTelnet or iTerm/Mac folks, perhaps someone  / will take pity on us and add this as an option.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2003 09:15:47 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal3 Message-ID: <TP1nJ4KPIVC0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <aus-C6E38B.14353630082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:  G > Fred, another thought - What code sequence does the Terminal have to  K > send in order to have the delete key work properly on the VMS host? If I  I > pass this code on to the MacTelnet or iTerm/Mac folks, perhaps someone  1 > will take pity on us and add this as an option.   $ Presumably an Ascii <DEL> character.  H The idea that a key labeled Delete would send something other than <DEL>H is strange, but perhaps those terminal emulators are mimicing Microsoft.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:09:40 +0100 ' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <300820031509409880%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  G In article <aus-C6E38B.14353630082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Hans % Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:   D > In article <aus-1381C3.08261330082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>,- >  Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:  > 4 > > In article <G2S3b.3784$r5.534@news.cpqcorp.net>,; > >  "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  > > K > > > As a side note, we are adding a new set terminal command and terminal P > > > attribute so that the user can select BACKSPACE == DELETE.  That is, treatP > > > backspace (^H) as a rubout as well as delete as a rubout.  I think it's inM > > > V7.3-2, I know it will be in the IA64 release (dunno if it made it into O > > > 7.3-2 offhand).  The function key to get to the start of the current line : > > > will still work normally even when this mode is set. > > G > Fred, another thought - What code sequence does the Terminal have to  K > send in order to have the delete key work properly on the VMS host? If I  I > pass this code on to the MacTelnet or iTerm/Mac folks, perhaps someone  1 > will take pity on us and add this as an option.   E If you (original poster) are using terminal on Mac OS X, to telnet or F ssh to VMS, simply choose Window Settings..-> Emulation and make  sureG 'delete sends backspace' is unchecked. It then sends an octal 177, like  a proper terminal should. [1]   G If you are using Xterm with Mac OS X X11 beta you can set it up in your F .initrc or, by ctrl-clicking or ctrl-opt-clicking (sorry, this Mac I'mF using does not have X11 to correct all my memory errors) you can alter. a pop-up menu to not use backspace for delete.  E PS I still have not been able to convince terminal in a Mac Powerbook ? to do sensible things to send function keys > F12 nor the LK4**  auxiliary keypad keys.  G If anyone knows how..? I can do it with NCSA telnet in OS9 but terminal  in OS X has me snookered.   F [1] speaking of memory errors, I had to get my teco book out to find aG way of confirming that VMS saw a 0177 when delete was typed on the mac. B It had spider webs on it. (^t==$$ then the next character typed isG shown in octal) I thought all that knowledge was in my spinal column if F not my fingers! Now let's see what happens if you type *alzheimers$$ ? FNF    File not found  Yikes! it's recursive!   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2003 09:47:17 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal3 Message-ID: <ZPvHTUeGh9Rt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <300820031509409880%elliott@yrl.co.uk>, Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> writes:  G > If you (original poster) are using terminal on Mac OS X, to telnet or H > ssh to VMS, simply choose Window Settings..-> Emulation and make  sureI > 'delete sends backspace' is unchecked. It then sends an octal 177, like  > a proper terminal should. [1]  > I > If you are using Xterm with Mac OS X X11 beta you can set it up in your H > .initrc or, by ctrl-clicking or ctrl-opt-clicking (sorry, this Mac I'mH > using does not have X11 to correct all my memory errors) you can alter0 > a pop-up menu to not use backspace for delete. > G > PS I still have not been able to convince terminal in a Mac Powerbook A > to do sensible things to send function keys > F12 nor the LK4**  > auxiliary keypad keys.  I > If anyone knows how..? I can do it with NCSA telnet in OS9 but terminal  > in OS X has me snookered.   G I have not been able to convince Terminal on MacOS X to send the proper H keys for PF1-PF4, although it did the lower keypad keys for me OK. I use> those PF keys extensively for ANUNEWS, so I am back to OS 9.1.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2003 10:01:20 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal3 Message-ID: <cCzfyGpm++oO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <300820031555576538%elliott@yrl.co.uk>, Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> writes:E > In article <ZPvHTUeGh9Rt@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen   > <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: >   J >> I have not been able to convince Terminal on MacOS X to send the properK >> keys for PF1-PF4, although it did the lower keypad keys for me OK. I use A >> those PF keys extensively for ANUNEWS, so I am back to OS 9.1.  > I > That's easy! F1 through F4, straight out of the box. On a powerbook you F > must hold down fn to avoid adjusting the screen brightness and sound	 > volume.   H If they have mapped F1-F4 onto PF1-PF4, what does one use to send a real F1-F4 character ?   G Besides, I am using an Apple Keyboard (Model M0116) which does not have @ any F1-F<whatever> keys, only PF1-PF4, labeled <clear>, =, /, *.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:55:57 +0100 ' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <300820031555576538%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  C In article <ZPvHTUeGh9Rt@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen  <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:   I > I have not been able to convince Terminal on MacOS X to send the proper J > keys for PF1-PF4, although it did the lower keypad keys for me OK. I use@ > those PF keys extensively for ANUNEWS, so I am back to OS 9.1.  G That's easy! F1 through F4, straight out of the box. On a powerbook you D must hold down fn to avoid adjusting the screen brightness and sound volume.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:58:20 +0100 ' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <300820031658201138%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  C In article <cCzfyGpm++oO@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen  <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  B > In article <300820031555576538%elliott@yrl.co.uk>, Elliott Roper > <elliott@yrl.co.uk> writes: G > > In article <ZPvHTUeGh9Rt@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen " > > <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: > >   L > >> I have not been able to convince Terminal on MacOS X to send the properM > >> keys for PF1-PF4, although it did the lower keypad keys for me OK. I use C > >> those PF keys extensively for ANUNEWS, so I am back to OS 9.1.  > > K > > That's easy! F1 through F4, straight out of the box. On a powerbook you H > > must hold down fn to avoid adjusting the screen brightness and sound > > volume.  > J > If they have mapped F1-F4 onto PF1-PF4, what does one use to send a real > F1-F4 character ?   G Well f1-f4 never sent any useful characters on a VTxxx keyboard so they $ won't be missed on a telnet session. > I > Besides, I am using an Apple Keyboard (Model M0116) which does not have B > any F1-F<whatever> keys, only PF1-PF4, labeled <clear>, =, /, *.  C Well that's a bit of a showstopper. Too many different keyboards no  matter where you go.   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2003 10:37:31 GMT) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> % Subject: Cleaning up license database 9 Message-ID: <3f507e6b$0$250$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>  Keywords: LICENSE OpenVMS   J I'm currently making use of the educational license programme from HP. TheM programme issues licenses that expire each year and so every year I request a I new set of licenses. The licenses come as a command procedure that I just N execute which adds all the new license to the license database and, of course,K leaves the old licenses their but they are terminated, so never get loaded. M This is the third year I've done this, so I now currently have 3 licenses per $ product, 2 of which have terminated.  K What I would like to do is clean up the database, i.e., delete all licenses  that have terminated.   L It seems the license command is not quite powerful enough to do what I want.L I would like to delete all licenses whose termination date is before a givenL date. The list command allows you to select on this criteria, but the deleteH command, you can only specify the authorisaiont code (different for eachB product!) or a status, which does not include a terminated status.  C I guess one option is to do a full list with the relevant selection K criteria, and then write a DCL procedure to read the results and deleteeach J license specifying its authorization code. Seems a fair amount of work for% what is should be a simple operation!   H Alternatively, I could delete ALL the license and reload the latest onesN with the command procedures I've just received. The risk there is that I mightH delete some that I still need, although I can't think what at the momentK (although, the edu programme license is for a single user, but I seem to be E able to cope with many users and I can't remember how I fixed this!).   O Has anyone come across this problem or seen any tools anywhere that might help? N Or does the 7.3 version of the LICENSE command have better selection criteria?   Any comments much appreciated.   --  F Tony Arnold, Deputy to the Head of COS Division, Manchester Computing,: University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2003 09:21:11 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Re: Cleaning up license database 3 Message-ID: <ixeXQMYLdzYg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <3f507e6b$0$250$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> writes:   Q > Has anyone come across this problem or seen any tools anywhere that might help?   ? I regularly do this with an assist from TECO, but that's me :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 03 09:09:04 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 8 Subject: Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A) Message-ID: <WSWdcsClOGO8@elias.decus.ch>   ^ In article <OFDBA0BA62.F03DB7F3-ON85256D91.005D0721@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > 7 >> Of course, when you get to sixteen, you'll get "10". > > So he really needs base 36 arithmetic to get to 0..9,A..Z at: > least...or some number-to-character and back conversion. > D > From:  "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> on 08/29/2003 12:21 PM > 8 > Please respond to "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> >  > To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > cc:  > = > Subject:    Re: DCL: Getting a counter to count from 9 to A  >  > E >> We have just deployed entity8 and are considering what to do after B >> entity9. The entity number is stored/used as a single characterG >> elsewhere in the system so entity10 is a no-go. If we go to entityA, I >> is there a graceful way to get entity_number to click over from 9 to A  >> and beyond? >  > How about: > 0 >   $ entity_char = f$fao ("!XL", entity_number) > C > This will give you a string from "0" through "9", followed by "A" D > through "Z".  Of course, when you get to sixteen, you'll get "10". >    Not as far as "Z". Only "F".  % $ write sys$output  f$fao ("!XL", 15)  0000000F% $ write sys$output  f$fao ("!XB", 15)  0F+ $ write sys$output  f$fao ("!XB", 15) - "0"  F  $   C > Apply to everywhere you were using entity_number as a string, you  > will be set to go. >    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2003 11:29:47 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com> Subject: Re: DSSI problem 0 Message-ID: <slrnbl12lb.am.thierry@VENUS.Family>  8 In article <biili1$hc3$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews wrote: > Thierry Dussuet wrote: >>  G >> >  From the rest of the messages, I can only think that DSSI cabling F >> >  from the internal busses has come adrift from the top row of theF >> >  drives. I've not had a 4000 series chassis in pieces to know how >> >  it connects. >>  G >> If this is what you mean: There are slots in the backplane where you D >> can put the drives in, and on the backplane you faintly see wiresH >> which seem to go to the processor board.  Then on the processor boardC >> there is also a ribbon cable going from the board to the control G >> panel.  On the drives themselves, there is a ribbon cable going from 6 >> the drive to the plastic thing going into the slot. > D > I was more thinking you dismantle the system so you can access theH > cabling to check it / reseat the connections. This is something I have > not had to do. >   G >> > This would seem logical as none of the drives now appear. They are  >> > receiving power.  >> >E >> > I suppose one thing to try would be pulling out one of the other F >> > drives, it is possible that the interface on one drive is killing( >> > the rest of the devices on the bus. >>  1 >> I've done this now... It still did not help...  > H > And if it's not the cabling, I can only think that the DSSI controllerD > is broken, but then again, would you be seeing the controller node > plug ID ?    That's true...  G > I have lost the top of the thread, not sure what system you have, and D > I don't know if it is possible to swap the DSSI cabling to use theG > second host adapter. THis is also territory I've not been in so it is  > speculation.  + Maybe it's written in one of the manuals...   C >> But I've seen another thing which happens now, and didn't happen D >> before: When the VAX starts up, it brings up a menu where you canE >> select the language.  The button to select this normally is on the H >> right position, so it looks like the batteries are down?  Would it beG >> possible that the VAX can't see the DSSI disks because the batteries * >> are down?  But then still see the TK70? > G > You are right it is the little battery not getting charged, and no it G > won't stop it seeing the DSSI. If the system started to boot you'd be  > asked date and time.   OK :)   D > You have my sympathy with this, I'm running out of ideas, the picoE > fuses seem OK, the drives spin up and even individually on the DSSI @ > they are not working must mean that the DSSI itself has failed > somewhere.  ! Thank you alot for all your help!    Thierry    --  ? I will tell you if you solemnly promise to tell everybody else.   --Oscar Wilde   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2003 11:38:43 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com> Subject: Re: DSSI problem 0 Message-ID: <slrnbl1363.am.thierry@VENUS.Family>  C In article <87brua5typ.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi wrote: 6 > Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com> writes:D >> In article <mV33b.3380$O05.91@news.cpqcorp.net>, Bob Blunt wrote: > @ >>> You DO see the host bus ids when you type "SHOW DSSI" at theE >>> console?  Do these match the ID plugs on the front of the console 
 >>> bulkhead?  > E >> Yes I do - they have ID's 6 and 7 (and match).  I've also tried to 4 >> exchange them, and SHOW DSSI reflects the change. > D > Odd ball, but what happens if you cable A to B and do a SHOW DSSI,. > with different controler unit nos of course?  F Does "cable A to B" mean take a DSSI cluster cable and connect the two DSSI plugs together?   Thierry    --  ? I will tell you if you solemnly promise to tell everybody else.   --Oscar Wilde   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:11:18 GMT 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Full system disk L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3008030819140001@user-105n84e.dialup.mindspring.com>  B In article <bin85g$56p$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman# <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:    >Chris Sharman wrote: 6 >> Now the system disk (1Gb rx26f) is full (12M free). >>  G >> I moved off the page files some time ago, and removed the dump file.  >>  J >> There's quite a lot (84M) of *.*_OLD files around, presumably from the G >> installations I've just done (I had to delete all the older ones to  K >> complete the installation). I presume these would be needed if I wanted  J >> to use the product undo feature ? (I might, because I had trouble with K >> sys5 before, which is included in update 2). Could I zip & remove these?  >>  K >> There's also around 300Mb of files with expiry over 2 years ago (we use  L >> volume retention 1min/1day) - are there any system files which don't get K >> their expiry updated, which I shouldn't zip up & remove ? Are there any  + >> good reasons not to zip & remove these ?  > F >Should have mentioned, it's an Alphastation 255/233, 96M memory, 1Gb ! >system disk, 2G & 9G user disks.   J 1 GB is fairly marginal for a VMS system disk in recent versions.  You canI install just fine, but maintenance, upgrades, and patches become painful.   J If your time is worth anything, spend a few dollars on a handful of 2 or 4F GB drives (used, but likely newer than your 1 GB drive).  Upgrade your system disk.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2003 09:23:57 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: LK463 USB/PS2 Keyboard (was: Stop swimming upstream) 3 Message-ID: <mmgzRrdy2dxm@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <rdeininger-3008030810210001@user-105n84e.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:   L > The LK463 has exactly the same layout as the LK461, and the other VMS-type, > keyboards since the advent of the ALT key. > K > The controller in the LK463 knows both USB and PS2.  It detects what kind J > of port it's connected to and send the right signals.  The cable is USB,? > but it comes with a dongle that converts the USB plug to PS2.   F Neat.  It's too bad there is no easy way to get this information otherG than by asking here.  Google gave me a list of configurations that ship 4 with an LK463, but nothing apparently describing it.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2003 10:03:38 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) A Subject: Re: LK463 USB/PS2 Keyboard (was: Stop swimming upstream) 3 Message-ID: <qpCrBGDM39hX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <mmgzRrdy2dxm@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > In article <rdeininger-3008030810210001@user-105n84e.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  > M >> The LK463 has exactly the same layout as the LK461, and the other VMS-type - >> keyboards since the advent of the ALT key.  >>  L >> The controller in the LK463 knows both USB and PS2.  It detects what kindK >> of port it's connected to and send the right signals.  The cable is USB, @ >> but it comes with a dongle that converts the USB plug to PS2. > H > Neat.  It's too bad there is no easy way to get this information otherI > than by asking here.  Google gave me a list of configurations that ship 6 > with an LK463, but nothing apparently describing it.  M And lo and behold, today is the day that Dilbert does Keyboard Compatibility:   M http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2003081524630.gif    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:35:01 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Security , Message-ID: <3F503785.6060606@tsoft-inc.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  W > In article <3F500535.40209@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >  > P >>Andrew constantly tries to lump denial of service with security.  It is NOT a  >>security issue.  >> > C > I disagree.  The traditional dimensions of computer security are:  >  > 	Confidentiality > 	Integrity > 	Availability  > E > with the order of importance depending on your application.  DEC at  > one point started adding:  >  > 	Auditability  > G > The priority of VMS Development in handling such issues has typically K > been to rank Availability issues (unprivileged user can crash the system) G > _below_ Confidentiality and Integrity (gaining unauthorized access or  > privileges). > F > So consider the frequency at which you experience unprivileged usersF > crashing your VMS system, and be confident that the rate of breakins > is less frequent :-) >   Q Ok, I'll give you Availability with respect to users taking the system down, but  I not with respect to outside activity.  How many times have you had users  Q crashing the system?  Last one I remember is the stop/id one, and that's because   of the use of C is my guess.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2003 09:19:20 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Security 3 Message-ID: <X9Bktwjgkzur@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3F503785.6060606@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   S > Ok, I'll give you Availability with respect to users taking the system down, but  ' > not with respect to outside activity.   D Unavailable is unavailable as far as use of the system is concerned.  C A good approach to availability is to avoid depending on things you = cannot control, such as the Electric Utility or the Internet.   K I was considerably disheartened to see a recent Internet malfunction affect 7 Automated Teller Machines from at least one large bank.    ------------------------------  ! Date: Sat, 30 Aug 03 08:30:35 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates+ Message-ID: <bipr90$em2$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   / In article <binp09$s96$1@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca>, 2    dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote:H >In article <binnpr$jhk$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:1 >>In article <binii0$pja$1@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca>, 4 >>   dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote:J >>>In article <bina0k$jsl$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:A >>>>One doesn't have to keep all user names in core all the time.  >>> + >>>  What if you have no secondary storage?  >> >>I'd buy me a card reader.  >> > J >  Presumably you had better have a punch as well, if you want the machine3 >to be able to accommodate new users by itself.  :)   H That's a given in the computer biz.  Buy one thing, need the next thing.   <snip>  = >>Flippancy aside.  Why do you care?  If the user isn't doing = >>anything, you don't need to pay any attention to him nor do * >>you have to do anything in his behalf.   >> > J >  "You" as in the OS may not care, but "you" as a user of the chat system, >may be very keen to see who else is online.  = We were talking about a user who had logged in and then left, < IOW, not active.  Do you, as a user of the chat system, care about inactive sessions?   /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:52:31 +0000 (UTC) . From: dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans)$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates/ Message-ID: <biqa6v$p18$1@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca>   G In article <bipr90$em2$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote: 0 >In article <binp09$s96$1@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca>,3 >   dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: K >>  "You" as in the OS may not care, but "you" as a user of the chat system - >>may be very keen to see who else is online.  > > >We were talking about a user who had logged in and then left,= >IOW, not active.  Do you, as a user of the chat system, care  >about inactive sessions?  >   H   Ahhh.  I would say tha tit depends on the system in question.  I could1 imagine a defensible design that went either way.    --  M David Evans          (NeXTMail/MIME OK)             dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca M Ph.D. Candidate, Computer/Synth Junkie     http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ M University of Waterloo         "Default is the value selected by the composer M Ontario, Canada           overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:56:11 +0000 (UTC) ! From: Bagbourne <noway@noway.com> 4 Subject: Re: Require updated version of BLOCKING.MAR( Message-ID: <3F50CB5F.1080904@noway.com>   Keith Parris wrote: [ > Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote in message news:<3F4E66BD.DB7D5441@telusplanet.net>...  > : >>The Macro program BLOCKING.MAR was made available aroundA >>1995.  Under the VAX environment, this routine would, if an RMS D >>record was locked, identify the process locking the record and theE >>node the process was running on.  Now, under Alpha it still gives a J >>message to confirm that the record is locked, but then the routine ends.  ) Try my humble effort on the freeware CD:  8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/findlocks/  
 readme.txt
 ----------@ FINDLOCKS, System_Mgmt, Reports all RMS record locks on cluster.  H This program scans the Distributed Lock Manager searching for RMS recordE locks. For each lock found it displays the process ID, and name, the  F user name, terminal name and the name of the image being executed. It G also displays the name of the file being locked, the VBN and ID of the  C locked record and the first 50 bytes of the record. If the file is  C indexed, all the keys are displayed. Unprintable characters within  " displayed data are output as dots.     Example:   SP1>run findlocks ; Process 20E0F209, "SP_EDITOR", User: SP_EDITOR on node: SP1 F running DSA1:[REL_SP_117_1_3.EXE.UTIL]CDB_BATCH_ADD.EXE;1 at _LTA5310:: Has a lock on DSA1:[SUB_COMPANIES]GENERAL_SUBSIDIARY.IDX;4 VBN = 15997, ID = 26! TELEWEST COMMUNICATIONS GROUP LTD + Key  1, "TELEWEST COMMUNICATIONS GROUP LTD"  Key  2, "TELWST  " Key  3, "1999-12-07"   Cheers,   8 Nigel (former VMS programmer, now out of work Java geek)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:59:27 -0600 $ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>4 Subject: Re: Require updated version of BLOCKING.MAR) Message-ID: <3F50D7EF.705FCD6B@cha.ab.ca>    Thanks,    I'll try this one out.     Bagbourne wrote:   > Keith Parris wrote: ] > > Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote in message news:<3F4E66BD.DB7D5441@telusplanet.net>...  > > < > >>The Macro program BLOCKING.MAR was made available aroundC > >>1995.  Under the VAX environment, this routine would, if an RMS F > >>record was locked, identify the process locking the record and theG > >>node the process was running on.  Now, under Alpha it still gives a L > >>message to confirm that the record is locked, but then the routine ends. > * > Try my humble effort on the freeware CD:: > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/findlocks/ >  > readme.txt > ----------B > FINDLOCKS, System_Mgmt, Reports all RMS record locks on cluster. > J > This program scans the Distributed Lock Manager searching for RMS recordF > locks. For each lock found it displays the process ID, and name, theG > user name, terminal name and the name of the image being executed. It H > also displays the name of the file being locked, the VBN and ID of theD > locked record and the first 50 bytes of the record. If the file isD > indexed, all the keys are displayed. Unprintable characters within$ > displayed data are output as dots. > 
 > Example: >  > SP1>run findlocks = > Process 20E0F209, "SP_EDITOR", User: SP_EDITOR on node: SP1 H > running DSA1:[REL_SP_117_1_3.EXE.UTIL]CDB_BATCH_ADD.EXE;1 at _LTA5310:< > Has a lock on DSA1:[SUB_COMPANIES]GENERAL_SUBSIDIARY.IDX;4 > VBN = 15997, ID = 26# > TELEWEST COMMUNICATIONS GROUP LTD - > Key  1, "TELEWEST COMMUNICATIONS GROUP LTD"  > Key  2, "TELWST  " > Key  3, "1999-12-07" > 	 > Cheers,  > : > Nigel (former VMS programmer, now out of work Java geek)   -- Lee    lytmah@telusplanet.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:19:20 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Serial console 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEPFHNAA.tom@kednos.com>   F Have two PWS's one with 7.3 the other with 7.3-1,  I have a null modem  cable connected between the two.  H 1.  there are two ports on each, COM1 and COM2 and it works if connected     as follows       7.3              7.3-1     COM1 -----         COM1a               \t     COM2       ------  COM2i   but only from the 7.3-1 end    S SET HOST/DTE OPA0m  C will give me a login prompt on the 7.3 system.  But going the otherl way all I get is M   $ set host/dte opa0?  % %REM-I-TOQUIT, connection establishedr  - Press Ctrl/\ to quit, Ctrl/@ for command modey  H I am not sure if I set the CONSOLE to serial in SRM on the 7.3.  Is that( necessary for this operation to succeed?  F Speaking of which, does OpenVMS have an equivalent to Tru64 'consvar' < command allowing for the manipulation of firmware variables?     ---g& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:02:26 GMT)2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)# Subject: Re: Stop swimming upstream L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3008030810210001@user-105n84e.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <aqD7TcujmKLN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  D >In article <KZR3b.3782$T6.3240@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"% <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:e >> t= >> "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message-0 >> news:9cvzPLm8xfQd@eisner.encompasserve.org... >-' >>> Is this fixed in the USB standard ?0 >> 1O >> Yes.  Vendor, device, etc.  The format and codes are fairly well defined and B >> full.  We autodetect the LK463 as well as the japanese kb, etc. > H >Does the LK463 have the control key in the traditional VT100 location ?  3 It's been a LONG time since I saw a VT100 keyboard.l  J The LK463 has exactly the same layout as the LK461, and the other VMS-type* keyboards since the advent of the ALT key.  I The controller in the LK463 knows both USB and PS2.  It detects what kindcH of port it's connected to and send the right signals.  The cable is USB,= but it comes with a dongle that converts the USB plug to PS2.i  I I've used the LK463 on a DS10 alphastation running VMS and DECwindows andlJ everything just worked.  Tried it briefly on an Apple Powerbook running OSG X.something.  The system recognized the keyboard, but I didn't take the J time to figure out the keyboard-definition stuff in OS X.  The LK463 worksI on PeeCees too, but applications often assume the keyboard is the regularR& PC layout and ignore any "extra" keys.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:16:21 +02003$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de># Subject: Re: Stop swimming upstream89 Message-ID: <biq5qb$c4p5b$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>>  , On 30-Aug-2003 02:12, Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:9cvzPLm8xfQd@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >>   >> [...] >>& >> Is this fixed in the USB standard ? > N > Yes.  Vendor, device, etc.  The format and codes are fairly well defined andN > full.  We autodetect the LK463 as well as the japanese kb, etc.  I also madeM > the driver table driven, and provided a mechanism for a user or third partyeF > to load new translations and customizations for their own keyboards. > L > The mouse will continue to work as normal.  Pretty much any mouse - as per: > the core X11 standard, plus the hack for the thumbwheel. >  > [...]w  D Does the LK463 keyboard come with an integrated USB hub? It would beF convenient to connect the mouse to the keyboard instead of directly toG the system if the keyboard is located away (within the USB limitations)9 from the system.   Michael@   -- .; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.s@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.3= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:27:45 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de># Subject: Re: Stop swimming upstream 9 Message-ID: <biq5qc$c4p5b$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>o  - On 30-Aug-2003 14:02, Robert Deininger wrote:    > [...]a > K > The controller in the LK463 knows both USB and PS2.  It detects what kindaJ > of port it's connected to and send the right signals.  The cable is USB,? > but it comes with a dongle that converts the USB plug to PS2.- > K > I've used the LK463 on a DS10 alphastation running VMS and DECwindows andt8                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^L > everything just worked.  Tried it briefly on an Apple Powerbook running OSI > X.something.  The system recognized the keyboard, but I didn't take therL > time to figure out the keyboard-definition stuff in OS X.  The LK463 worksK > on PeeCees too, but applications often assume the keyboard is the regularu( > PC layout and ignore any "extra" keys.  @ VMS supports the USB port(s) on a DS10? I can't find USB supportE mentioned in the latest DS10 "QuickSpecs" (DA-10908, Version 23, Julyo 31), not even for Tru64.   Michaelc   -- a; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.K@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.n= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2003 09:29:07 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)h# Subject: Re: Stop swimming upstreamn3 Message-ID: <NAU1OpJOijR3@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  ` In article <biq5qc$c4p5b$2@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:/ > On 30-Aug-2003 14:02, Robert Deininger wrote:a >  >> [...] >> lL >> The controller in the LK463 knows both USB and PS2.  It detects what kindK >> of port it's connected to and send the right signals.  The cable is USB,t@ >> but it comes with a dongle that converts the USB plug to PS2. >> eL >> I've used the LK463 on a DS10 alphastation running VMS and DECwindows and: >                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^M >> everything just worked.  Tried it briefly on an Apple Powerbook running OS J >> X.something.  The system recognized the keyboard, but I didn't take theM >> time to figure out the keyboard-definition stuff in OS X.  The LK463 workscL >> on PeeCees too, but applications often assume the keyboard is the regular) >> PC layout and ignore any "extra" keys.k > B > VMS supports the USB port(s) on a DS10? I can't find USB supportG > mentioned in the latest DS10 "QuickSpecs" (DA-10908, Version 23, Julyh > 31), not even for Tru64.  ? Robert did not specify he was using it in USB mode vs PS2 mode.e  B But the last I heard, Robert has access to not-yet-supported gear.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Aug 2003 09:27:06 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: Stop swimming upstream$3 Message-ID: <ybbfBgtWICo3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <biq5qb$c4p5b$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:  F > Does the LK463 keyboard come with an integrated USB hub? It would beH > convenient to connect the mouse to the keyboard instead of directly toI > the system if the keyboard is located away (within the USB limitations)r > from the system.  @ Isn't the whole reason for a USB hub that one needs more power ?  @ Having an extra power cord to the keyboard would defeat the goal of reducing complexity.   B A daisy-chain connector like the ADB keyboard on which I am typingB this would be nice, but I am under the impression that is contrary  to the electrical design of USB.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:40:37 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de># Subject: Re: Stop swimming upstreamu9 Message-ID: <biqglh$c7b8f$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>.  , On 30-Aug-2003 16:27, Larry Kilgallen wrote:  b > In article <biq5qb$c4p5b$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes: > G >> Does the LK463 keyboard come with an integrated USB hub? It would beeI >> convenient to connect the mouse to the keyboard instead of directly toeJ >> the system if the keyboard is located away (within the USB limitations) >> from the system.  > B > Isn't the whole reason for a USB hub that one needs more power ?   Not neccessarily.    > B > Having an extra power cord to the keyboard would defeat the goal > of reducing complexity.r   Indeed.n   > D > A daisy-chain connector like the ADB keyboard on which I am typingD > this would be nice, but I am under the impression that is contrary" > to the electrical design of USB.  G There are two types of hubs: *active* hubs (with an extra power supply)PG and *passive* hubs. There are two types of devices: *low* power devicesCD (consuming less than 100mA) and *high* power devices (consuming moreB than 100mA but less than 500 mA). Keyboards and mice are low power devices of course.  A A USB port of a computer is specified to *deliver* up to 500mA ofaG current to devices. This can be "splitted" into 100mA for a passive hub.C and 4x 100mA for low power devices; devices have to start up in lowe? power mode and "query" the bus whether more power is available.n  G And there are devices consuming large amounts of power but still acting,G as low power USB devices (printers, PBX systems, ...) because they haveF an internal power supply.F  F Please see <URL: http://www.usb.org/developers/docs> for details. (No, I'm no USB developer ... ;-)   Michaeli   -- e; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.s@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.e= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:44:20 +0000 (UTC)o7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrpa.com (Michael Moroney)d+ Subject: Re: Switch Frm DECNet+ to Phase IVs( Message-ID: <biqgok$are$1@pcls4.std.com>  ' Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes:t  E >DECnet Phase IV was/is routable. You have routing functionality botheB >as host-based or as dedicated routers. Most Cisco routers also do@ >(did?) DECnet Phase IV routing if so configured (and licensed?)  5 >Protocols such as LAT, MOP and SCS are not routable.b   >Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote in message news:<vzx3b.29$qf2.28@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>...O >> eK >> Then you will always have both if necessary.  Remember, DECNET Phase IV n >> is NOT routable.5  E DECnet IV is routable just fine, HOWEVER, I do not think Alphas could C ever be anything other than end nodes.  So you'll need either a VAXeF of some sort, or one of the Cisco/modified DECserver/whatever boxes to actually do so.m -- o -Mike    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:36:37 GMTy2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)& Subject: Re: We need your DS10 SystemsL Message-ID: <rdeininger-3008030744330001@user-105n84e.dialup.mindspring.com>  : In article <bilvnf$dt5$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,2 JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) wrote:  * >In message <3F4E61E0.8F2712CC@intel.com>,) >  Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>  >>Island wrote:s >>>nB >>> Please call us urgently if you need to dispose of DS10 systems" >>> Any kind, almost any condition( >>> We will consider non-working systems >>E >>Now _this_ is the kind of post I like to see.  David's got a clienta" >>who needs a boat load of DS10's. >sE >Another way to look at is that HP end-of-life'd the DS10 without its-J >replacement (DS15?) being in production yet, so you are getting an influx of newM >DS10 customers in the used market (those who aren't forswearing Alpha and HP5M >altogether).  The best we can get from our distributor is that the DS15 willu- >be available for purchase in October, maybe.r  J The Alphaserver web page still lists both DS10 and DS10L systems.  Are you9 saying you can't order them?  Is your distributor broken?o  A I've heard the DS15 will be released around the end of September.w  G They also still show the DS20E for sale, though with the DS25 availablehD for about a year, I wonder if anyone is buying the DS20E these days.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.480 ************************minated.  K What I would like to do is clean up the database, i.e., delete all licenses  that have terminated.   L It seems the license command is not quite powerful enough to do what I want.L I would like to delete all licenses whose termination date is before a givenL date. The list command allows you to select on this critae >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,210) <<< LIST /vax83b/vax83be >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,211) <<< LIST /vax83c/vax83ce >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,212) <<< LIST /vax83d/vax83de >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,213) <<< LIST /vax84a/vax84ae >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,214) <<< LIST /vax84b/vax84be >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,215) <<< LIST /vax84c/vax84ce >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,216) <<< LIST /vax84d/vax84de >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,217) <<< LIST /vax85a/vax85ae >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,218) <<< LIST /vax85b/vax85be >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,219) <<< LIST /vax85c/vax85ce >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,220) <<< LIST /vax85d/vax85de >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,221) <<< LIST /vax86a/vax86ae >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,222) <<< LIST /vax86b/vax86be >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,223) <<< LIST /vax86c/vax86ce >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,224) <<< LIST /vax86d/vax86de >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,225) <<< LIST /vax87a/vax87ae >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,226) <<< LIST /vax87b/vax87be >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.P <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,9,227) <<< LI