1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 31 Aug 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 482       Contents:M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M RE: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal M RE: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal ; Adding a W2003 server to a Pathworks Advanced server domain   Re: Cleaning up license database Re: DSSI problem Re: DSSI problem Re: HSZTERM  Re: HSZTERM  Re:My emails for you!  Re: Oracle roadmap for OpenVMS Re: Serial console Re: Stop swimming upstream  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 08:45:18 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal3 Message-ID: <BamqLA0eLdnw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <300820031658201138%elliott@yrl.co.uk>, Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> writes:E > In article <cCzfyGpm++oO@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen   > <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  J >> Besides, I am using an Apple Keyboard (Model M0116) which does not haveC >> any F1-F<whatever> keys, only PF1-PF4, labeled <clear>, =, /, *.  > E > Well that's a bit of a showstopper. Too many different keyboards no  > matter where you go.  B More recent Apple keyboards have those useless F1-f<whatever> keys@ (you point out a substitution of F1-F4 for PF1-PF4, but they are> all the way at the other end of the keyboard - not right for a touch typist.)  = They also don't have the escape key in the "proper" place for  frequent use in TECO.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:19:01 +0100 ' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal2 Message-ID: <310820031519011236%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  C In article <BamqLA0eLdnw@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen  <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: > D > More recent Apple keyboards have those useless F1-f<whatever> keysB > (you point out a substitution of F1-F4 for PF1-PF4, but they are@ > all the way at the other end of the keyboard - not right for a > touch typist.)  E I never noticed that. Any editor with 'gold' in its vocabulary is too  modern for me. > ? > They also don't have the escape key in the "proper" place for  > frequent use in TECO.   F Get a Powerbook Larry. Escape is up the top left where god meant it toD be. If you get an old Pismo Powerbook that newfangled ` key is right underneath it too.C Set your Mac terminal font to monaco regular and tell teco -1,3:w$$  <Michael Caine>  not many people know this  </Micheal Caine>   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 10:27:34 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal3 Message-ID: <57Bd8O4Kvssf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <310820031519011236%elliott@yrl.co.uk>, Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> writes:  @ >> They also don't have the escape key in the "proper" place for >> frequent use in TECO. > H > Get a Powerbook Larry. Escape is up the top left where god meant it toF > be. If you get an old Pismo Powerbook that newfangled ` key is right > underneath it too.  F I have a PowerBook 520c with that key combination, which is _not_ whatE I need.  I need the Escape key just to the left of the "1" key, and I C have no use for that ` key except to type Usenet messages about it.   D But even if the powerbook _did_ have the escape key adjacent to "1",( and had the Control key adjacent to "A",I and had tactile feedback more like an Apple Keyboard or a VTxxx keyboard, J I don't see any way to wire the PowerBook keyboard up to my Gefen ADB KVM.  E > Set your Mac terminal font to monaco regular and tell teco -1,3:w$$  > <Michael Caine>  > not many people know this  > </Micheal Caine>  = Ok, but I don't see what it has to do with the Escape key :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:02:44 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> V Subject: RE: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEPPHNAA.tom@kednos.com>    Is xmodmap an option?   @ http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2003-July/025354.html   >-----Original Message----- 5 >From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] & >Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:28 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComF >Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in >Mac OSX Terminal  >  > B >In article <310820031519011236%elliott@yrl.co.uk>, Elliott Roper  ><elliott@yrl.co.uk> writes: > A >>> They also don't have the escape key in the "proper" place for  >>> frequent use in TECO.  >>  I >> Get a Powerbook Larry. Escape is up the top left where god meant it to G >> be. If you get an old Pismo Powerbook that newfangled ` key is right  >> underneath it too.  > G >I have a PowerBook 520c with that key combination, which is _not_ what F >I need.  I need the Escape key just to the left of the "1" key, and ID >have no use for that ` key except to type Usenet messages about it. > E >But even if the powerbook _did_ have the escape key adjacent to "1", ) >and had the Control key adjacent to "A", J >and had tactile feedback more like an Apple Keyboard or a VTxxx keyboard,K >I don't see any way to wire the PowerBook keyboard up to my Gefen ADB KVM.  > F >> Set your Mac terminal font to monaco regular and tell teco -1,3:w$$ >> <Michael Caine> >> not many people know this >> </Micheal Caine>  > > >Ok, but I don't see what it has to do with the Escape key :-) >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.511 / Virus Database: 308 - Release Date: 8/18/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 13:20:09 -04000 From: fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)V Subject: Re: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal1 Message-ID: <bitao9$871$1@sesame.cc.columbia.edu>   B In article <aus-C6E38B.14353630082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>,+ Hans Aus  <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote: D : In article <aus-1381C3.08261330082003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>,- :  Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:  : 4 : > In article <G2S3b.3784$r5.534@news.cpqcorp.net>,; : >  "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  : > K : > > As a side note, we are adding a new set terminal command and terminal J : > > attribute so that the user can select BACKSPACE == DELETE.  That is,N : > > treat backspace (^H) as a rubout as well as delete as a rubout.  I thinkM : > > it's in V7.3-2, I know it will be in the IA64 release (dunno if it made J : > > it into 7.3-2 offhand).  The function key to get to the start of theG : > > current line will still work normally even when this mode is set.  : > G : Fred, another thought - What code sequence does the Terminal have to  K : send in order to have the delete key work properly on the VMS host? If I  I : pass this code on to the MacTelnet or iTerm/Mac folks, perhaps someone  1 : will take pity on us and add this as an option.  : K Hi Hans.  It's amazing how this issue has still not been settled everywhere H and for all time after more than 30 years.  I tried to summarize it in a	 web page:   /   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/backspace.html   G It's written for Kermit users, but almost anybody who suffers from this  problem should find it helpful.    - Frank    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 12:15:00 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) V Subject: RE: ??==Delete key only backspaces w/o delete from Telnet in Mac OSX Terminal3 Message-ID: <jDevLcSvzSE7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEPPHNAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  > Is xmodmap an option?  > B > http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2003-July/025354.html  I That page seems like it would only affect applications using the Xwindows 
 subsystem.  J Other than that, it seems quite Unixy, which is not why I chose Macintosh.E I would prefer a clear menu interface the way the rest of Terminal is  controlled.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 08:44:28 -0700O From: jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Marchal?=) D Subject: Adding a W2003 server to a Pathworks Advanced server domain= Message-ID: <6bc20ab7.0308310744.7ff84bb5@posting.google.com>   C I need to add a Windows Server 2003 box to my Advanced Server V7.3A / ECO1 (Pathworks) domain on a VMS 7.2-1 cluster.   F After giving the correct administrator's password, I get the message :  D   the following error has occured attempting to join the domain "X":1   a remote procedure call (RPC) protocol occurred    C I've already disabled "member of domain" encryption features in the ) local security window of the W2003 system  NetBIOS over IP is enabled. 5 The Pathworks cluster alias is ok in the W2003 LMHOST   
 Any idea ?   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2003 09:40:09 GMT) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> ) Subject: Re: Cleaning up license database 9 Message-ID: <3f51c279$0$256$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>   M Thanks to all who have commented on this query. It's good to see a variety of  approaches to a problem.  N The best solution, IMHO, came from Roger Weichman who sent it to me by e-mail:  >  If you look carefully, I think you will find some commonality:  and uniqueness to the batch of licenses from any one year  within the auth code.  ;  While pondering this problem myself, I discovered that the H  license modify/auth command -does- deal with wildcards quite nicely. :)>  Therefore, find the commonality in the authorization code and  your home free.  M I managed to delete all my expired license in two command lines, one for each  year!    Regards, Tony.   * Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> wrote:L > I'm currently making use of the educational license programme from HP. TheO > programme issues licenses that expire each year and so every year I request a K > new set of licenses. The licenses come as a command procedure that I just P > execute which adds all the new license to the license database and, of course,M > leaves the old licenses their but they are terminated, so never get loaded. O > This is the third year I've done this, so I now currently have 3 licenses per & > product, 2 of which have terminated.  M > What I would like to do is clean up the database, i.e., delete all licenses  > that have terminated.   N > It seems the license command is not quite powerful enough to do what I want.N > I would like to delete all licenses whose termination date is before a givenN > date. The list command allows you to select on this criteria, but the deleteJ > command, you can only specify the authorisaiont code (different for eachD > product!) or a status, which does not include a terminated status.  E > I guess one option is to do a full list with the relevant selection M > criteria, and then write a DCL procedure to read the results and deleteeach L > license specifying its authorization code. Seems a fair amount of work for' > what is should be a simple operation!   J > Alternatively, I could delete ALL the license and reload the latest onesP > with the command procedures I've just received. The risk there is that I mightJ > delete some that I still need, although I can't think what at the momentM > (although, the edu programme license is for a single user, but I seem to be G > able to cope with many users and I can't remember how I fixed this!).   Q > Has anyone come across this problem or seen any tools anywhere that might help? P > Or does the 7.3 version of the LICENSE command have better selection criteria?    > Any comments much appreciated.   > --  H > Tony Arnold, Deputy to the Head of COS Division, Manchester Computing,< > University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.H > T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039G > E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    --   --  F Tony Arnold, Deputy to the Head of COS Division, Manchester Computing,: University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2003 15:24:12 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com> Subject: Re: DSSI problem 0 Message-ID: <slrnbl44os.cv.thierry@VENUS.Family>  C In article <87brua5typ.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi wrote: 6 > Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com> writes: > D >> In article <mV33b.3380$O05.91@news.cpqcorp.net>, Bob Blunt wrote: > @ >>> You DO see the host bus ids when you type "SHOW DSSI" at theE >>> console?  Do these match the ID plugs on the front of the console 
 >>> bulkhead?  > E >> Yes I do - they have ID's 6 and 7 (and match).  I've also tried to 4 >> exchange them, and SHOW DSSI reflects the change. > D > Odd ball, but what happens if you cable A to B and do a SHOW DSSI,. > with different controler unit nos of course?  E I've tried now to put a DSSI cluster cable between the 2 plugs on the G panel, and put the terminator on the plug left.  When booting, it shows F no dssi device at all and complains about Bus 1 not beeing terminated.  G If the DSSI is really killed, would netbooting off a VAXstation 3100 be 7 a solution? I could find some storage box for the VS...    Thierry    --  ? I will tell you if you solemnly promise to tell everybody else.   --Oscar Wilde   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2003 16:27:28 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com> Subject: Re: DSSI problem 0 Message-ID: <slrnbl48fg.cv.thierry@VENUS.Family>  8 In article <biili1$hc3$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews wrote: > Thierry Dussuet wrote: >>  G >> >  From the rest of the messages, I can only think that DSSI cabling F >> >  from the internal busses has come adrift from the top row of theF >> >  drives. I've not had a 4000 series chassis in pieces to know how >> >  it connects. >>  G >> If this is what you mean: There are slots in the backplane where you D >> can put the drives in, and on the backplane you faintly see wiresH >> which seem to go to the processor board.  Then on the processor boardC >> there is also a ribbon cable going from the board to the control G >> panel.  On the drives themselves, there is a ribbon cable going from 6 >> the drive to the plastic thing going into the slot. > D > I was more thinking you dismantle the system so you can access theH > cabling to check it / reseat the connections. This is something I have > not had to do.  F I've looked at the cable from the cpu board to the control panel -- itF seems that in 10 years of opening/closing the control panel, the cableF suffered.  I'm not sure, but there's like a broken place in the middleF of the cable.  Would that cause the DSSI disks not to be seen anymore,  and the date not to be readable?   Thierry    --  ? I will tell you if you solemnly promise to tell everybody else.   --Oscar Wilde   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:11:45 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: HSZTERM' Message-ID: <3F51ADC1.A7055BC1@aaa.com>   F Well maybe, but when you have a system with troubles halfway round the world,G and you *do* have telnet access to the system itself, HSZTERM *is* very  handy.  F This specific system is causing file corruption even *without* HSZTERM :-)   F So, still, if anyone knows where I can find a kit, or if anyone have a kit / he/she could send me , it would be just fine...   	 Jan-Erik.      Dirk Munk wrote: >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  > > ? > > I'v been looking around the HP/VMS site to locate a copy of - > > HSZTERM (aka SCSIPAD), but can't find it.  > R > It was and is not supported software. In fact using it may cause disk corruptionI > we have been told. We had some situations where it seems this happened.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:14:36 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: HSZTERM2 Message-ID: <bitahi$jql$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: H > Well maybe, but when you have a system with troubles halfway round the > world,I > and you *do* have telnet access to the system itself, HSZTERM *is* very  > handy. > H > This specific system is causing file corruption even *without* HSZTERM > :-)  > H > So, still, if anyone knows where I can find a kit, or if anyone have a > kit 1 > he/she could send me , it would be just fine...  >  > Jan-Erik.  >  > $ Well, there are some other ways.....  Q We connect the console ports of the HSZ controllers to a DECserver, and that way  P you can get access too ! The console ports of the Alpha's are also connected to ? a DECserver. It is a good way of getting remote console access.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:21:58 +0200 $ From: "Piero" <pierofoto@tiscali.it> Subject: Re:My emails for you!4 Message-ID: <I2m4b.29455$w8.2132@news.edisontel.com>         >        >        >        >         ginarette@libero.it  pierofoto@tiscali.it marianeri1@tiscali.it  lilianaverdis@tiscali.it ginarette@tiscali.it cinziaferretti1@tiscali.it silviaferro1@tiscali.it  silviogresso@tiscali.it  mariocecci@tiscali.it  pinoriporto@tiscali.it pierofoto@tiscali.it marianeri1@infinito.it lilianaverdis@infinito.it  ginarette@infinito.it  cinziaferretti1@infinito.it  silviaferro1@infinito.it silviogresso@infinito.it mariocecci@infinito.it pinoriporto@infinito.it  fotopiero@infinito.it  marianeri1@libero.it lilianaverdis@libero.it  cinziaferretti1@libero.it  silviaferro1@libero.it silviogresso@libero.it mariocecci@libero.it ginoalberi@libero.it pinoriporto@libero.it  piero-foto@libero.it marianeri2@virgilio.it lilianaverdis@virgilio.it  ginarette@virgilio.it  cinziaferretti2@virgilio.it  silviaferro2@virgilio.it silviogresso@virgilio.it mariocecci@virgilio.it ginoalberi@virgilio.it pinoriporto@virgilio.it  piero-foto@virgilio.it   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2003 08:49:06 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: Oracle roadmap for OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <TzABkJNT$PDj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <biqq31$ql1$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> writes:  > 0 > "georgie" <me@mycomputer.com> wrote in message= > news:Geu3b.8238$3E.5232@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... < >> "Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> wrote in message/ >> news:bilq4e$m03$1@hercules.btinternet.com... L >> > Does anyone know what Oracle's roadmap for OpenVMS is, or where I could >> find  >> > it on the Oracle website? >> >> I found it on HP's site: . >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/oracle/ >> >> g >>< > Thanks for that, but why isnt it on the Oracle website :o!  G Because Oracle requires JavaScript or cookies (I don't remember which), < so if it _were_ there some of us could not see it anyway :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:19:54 +0200 + From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>  Subject: Re: Serial console 9 Message-ID: <bisi49$ck0kj$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   0 "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> schreef in bericht3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEPFHNAA.tom@kednos.com... H > Have two PWS's one with 7.3 the other with 7.3-1,  I have a null modem" > cable connected between the two. > J > 1.  there are two ports on each, COM1 and COM2 and it works if connected >     as follows >  >     7.3              7.3-1 >     COM1 -----         COM1  >               \  >     COM2       ------  COM2  >  > but only from the 7.3-1 end  >  > S SET HOST/DTE OPA0  > E > will give me a login prompt on the 7.3 system.  But going the other  > way all I get is >  > $ set host/dte opa0  > ' > %REM-I-TOQUIT, connection established  > / > Press Ctrl/\ to quit, Ctrl/@ for command mode  > J > I am not sure if I set the CONSOLE to serial in SRM on the 7.3.  Is that* > necessary for this operation to succeed? > G > Speaking of which, does OpenVMS have an equivalent to Tru64 'consvar' > > command allowing for the manipulation of firmware variables? > J Disclaimer: I have never even seen let alone used a PSW. On the DS5305 andK the DS3300 the name of the serial ports change, depending on the setting of  the SRM console variable. 6 On the 5305 (a.k.a. the AS1200) the following happens:  7 console               serial port#1       serial port#2 0 SERIAL                  OPA0:              TTA0:- GRAPHICS            TTA0:               TTB0:   F So TTA0 can point to different hardware. That might explain why on theL second PWS the SET HOST/DTE OPA0: command does not work: there is no OPA0 if( the console variable is set to GRAPHICS.   Hans   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 03 09:25:46 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) # Subject: Re: Stop swimming upstream ) Message-ID: <pMRAdQiLnep8@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <ybbfBgtWICo3@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: b > In article <biq5qb$c4p5b$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes: > G >> Does the LK463 keyboard come with an integrated USB hub? It would be I >> convenient to connect the mouse to the keyboard instead of directly to J >> the system if the keyboard is located away (within the USB limitations) >> from the system.  > B > Isn't the whole reason for a USB hub that one needs more power ? > B > Having an extra power cord to the keyboard would defeat the goal > of reducing complexity.  > D > A daisy-chain connector like the ADB keyboard on which I am typingD > this would be nice, but I am under the impression that is contrary" > to the electrical design of USB.  F I am not familiar with the electrical design of USB, but the USB Apple@ keyboard on display in my local Mac outlet has a USB socket with a mouse plugged into it.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.482 ************************