1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 02 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 666       Contents: Re: A sort of a "me too"6 ANN: New freeware: Search help libraries for keywords.9 Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer... 9 Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer... 9 Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer... 9 Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer...  Another lost VMS sale 5 Re: Anybody monitoring vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest ? 5 Re: Anybody monitoring vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest ? 5 Re: Anybody monitoring vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest ? ) Directory output by date rather than name / Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ? / Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ? / Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ? / Re: Hobbyist license and layered products - SLS @ Re: Melbourne Australia: VAX 6000 + HSC + SA + cables available.- Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot camp - Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot camp - Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot camp - Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot camp   Re: NTP build procedure for VMS?  Re: NTP build procedure for VMS? Old license paks/software  Re: Old license paks/software  Re: Old license paks/software  Re: Old license paks/software  Re: Old license paks/software  Re: Old license paks/software  Re: Old license paks/software $ Re: OpenVMS Limits Identifiers for C" OT: Hidden Costs of Owning Your PC2 Re: OT: Merger versus Takeover (Chrysler & Compaq)2 Re: OT: Merger versus Takeover (Chrysler & Compaq)- products deleted from the layered-product CDs 1 Re: products deleted from the layered-product CDs 8 QUEUE Manager startup in a CLUSTER after a server reboot RBF file from WNT to VMS Re: Rdb on ODS-5 disk , Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files, Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files, Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files& Re: Required reading for HP executives& Re: Required reading for HP executives$ Re: Routable Protocol for Clustering Re: SimH: no cluster connection ! Re: Subprocess termination oddity ! Re: Subprocess termination oddity  SWXCR configuration  Re: SWXCR configuration  Re: SWXCR configuration  RE: SWXCR configuration  Re: TELENT in batch + Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name? 9 The DCL minute of the day: sh kno links under DECnet Plus = Re: The DCL minute of the day: sh kno links under DECnet Plus = Re: The DCL minute of the day: sh kno links under DECnet Plus 3 VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News, December edition  VMS on PDP-10? Re: VMS on PDP-10? Re: VMS on PDP-10? Re: Who is Alan Erskine??  Re: Who is Alan Erskine??  Re: Who is Alan Erskine??  Re: Wildcard searching Re: Wildcard searching! Re: Will VMS run on one of these? 5 Re: X Views: Plotting Capacity Date by David W. Bynon , Re: [INFO] Frog introduces bottom disclaimer  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 19:53:32 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ! Subject: Re: A sort of a "me too" = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312011953.5fa5cc97@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3FC40FAE.A430D05F@fsi.net>...; > Now, I'll ask the same things I asked of Fred (sort of):   > H > When can we expect to start seeing the ads in mainstream publications?4 > ...on TV? ...in the trade papers? ...on the radio? > E > When will HP start winning back lost ISVs? ...winning over UN*X and  > Windows ISVs?   F Unfortunately, neither Fred nor I have any control over any portion of HP's advertising spending.  D While they also have no control over HP corporate-level advertising,C Mark Gorham does allocate a budget to Bob Blatz to do VMS Marketing  activities.   J > When will we see the price reductions that VMS *MUST* have to become and > remain competitive?   * Keep your eyes open around VMS on Itanium.  F > When will we start seeing OpenVMS positions on the Job boards again?  C A quick Monster.com search on "VMS" pulls up 164 listings, so there  are at least some out there.  @ You'll probably begin to see more listings when the demand again@ exceeds the supply -- right now it's not hard at all to find VMSB expertise, and at reasonable prices.  If folks try to tell you VMSE folks are hard to find and expensive, it's a sign they haven't looked 	 recently.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:29:51 -0500$ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>? Subject: ANN: New freeware: Search help libraries for keywords. J Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B3E1@lespaul.process.com>  3 Several months ago, someone on the c.o.v. newsgroup 3 asked if VMS had a utility to search help libraries 3 for a keyword.  I didn't know of any such utilities + at the time, nor did the group mention one.   4 So I wrote a program called HINDEX to do this.  With3 it you can search a .HLB file, and the program will = report which help entries contain the word.  (Example below.)   = You may display the name of matching entries only, or include 9 a variable number of help text lines (like SEARCH/WINDOW) = before and after the match.  You may also include or exclude  " specific modules from the search.   : OpenVMS VAX and Alpha are supported, and I doubt that any , source changes will be required for Itanium.  = C source, setup.com, a readme and a .cld file are included.   = Hunter Goatley has also provided object files in the kit and  ; made it available in the Process Software FILSERV freeware   archive.  3 Planned improvements:  In the future, I plan to add 5 support for a search phrase that can span help lines, 1 and remove the .CLD file in favor of invoking the 6 program as a foreign command.  It will likely be a few8 more months before I get a chance to make those changes.3 I welcome suggestions for other improvements or any  questions you may have.   7 The freeware archive can be accessed via anomymous FTP  0 at ftp.process.com under [.VMS-FREEWARE.FILSERV]' or though various other sites listed at ) http://www.process.com/openvms/index.html   4 Hunter also added three other freeware tools besides- HINDEX to the archive in the last two months.    Regards,
 Mike Duffy duffy@process.com   7 -------------------------------------------------------  Example Run:  
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 **********H V73_Features Programming_Features Compaq_C_Run-Time_Library_Enhancements# Strptime_Function_Is_XPG5-Compliant   D    previous nonpivoting XPG4-compliant strptime function is retained?    The pivoting is controlled by the DECC$XPG4_STRPTIME logical @    o  Define DECC$XPG4_STRPTIME to any value before invoking the       decc$strptime_xpg4.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 00:14:56 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>B Subject: Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer...2 Message-ID: <bqgicu$155$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Sue,  L I'm a bit puzzled by this sudden enthousiasm for Legato on VMS. I read this Q statement as "bye bye SLS and ABS" , but I don't see how the standard VMS backup  P fits into this setup. After all VMS backup is still the best backup and restore K utility I know. Perhaps you can tell us what the HP strategy is for backup  P sollutions on VMS ? This statement is suggesting a new strategy... I like clear K talk on these matters without having to read between the lines so to speak.        Sue Skonetski wrote:- > Transition seamlessly to a high performance  > backup solution for OpenVMS  > C > LEGATO, in collaboration with the HP OpenVMS Business Unit and HP F > Services, is pleased to offer SLS and ABS customers LEGATO's OpenVMSC > backup solution and solution training for a special, limited-time G > discounted price. Additionally, HP Services has developed a Migration D > Services offering to ensure a seamless transition from an existing; > backup solution to the LEGATO NetWorker OpenVMS solution.  > 2 > Imagine a world where you have the ability to:   > F >        Centrally manage all of your backup and restores on OpenVMS # >        Perform LAN-free backups  - >        Consolidate your storage resources  G >        Backup Oracle RDB and Oracle data without having to bring the  > database application down B >        Share your off-line storage resources in a heterogeneous
 > environment H >        Support disk-to-disk backup, with automatic migration to tape G >        Automatically clone savesets or volumes for off-site copies.  C >        Perform heterogeneous backups with one centralized backup  > server >        Support ODS-5  >        AND reduce your TCO.   > D > LEGATO and HP can make this vision become a reality. To learn moreH > about LEGATO solutions for OpenVMS and a time-limited special offer to6 > migrate to the LEGATO/HP solution for OpenVMS, go to > www.legato.com/hp/openvms  > B > If you would like to download a whitepaper on the LEGATO OpenVMS" > solution click here for access. 1 > http://www.legato.com/hp/openvms/whitepaper.cfm  > A > We are currently enrolling BETA customers for the most complete H > OpenVMS solution for ODS-5 and Oracle Support. To apply for the LEGATO' > Oracle/ODS-5 Beta Program click here. + > http://www.legato.com/hp/openvms/beta.cfm  > 7 > You can learn more about our beta program by visiting , > www.legato.com/hp/openvms/index.cfm#beta . > ; > Please send comments or questions to openvms@legato.com.  H > Thank you for your interest in LEGATO software solutions for OpenVMS. B > Together, we look forward to improving your OpenVMS environment. >  > Sincerely,   >  > H > Shaun Ellis                                and                    Andy > Schneider @ > Product Manager for OpenVMS Solutions         OpenVMS Business > Management< > LEGATO Software                                            > Hewlett-Packard Company D > 3210, Porter Drive                                             110 > Spit Brook Road  ZKO3-4/T61 H > Palo Alto, CA  94304                                        Nashua, NH >  03062   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:04:16 -0600% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> B Subject: Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer...: Message-ID: <wqSyb.104622$M02.10828@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  ) Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message , news:bqgicu$155$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl... > Sue, > H > I'm a bit puzzled by this sudden enthousiasm for Legato on VMS. I read thisK > statement as "bye bye SLS and ABS" , but I don't see how the standard VMS  backupI > fits into this setup. After all VMS backup is still the best backup and  restore L > utility I know. Perhaps you can tell us what the HP strategy is for backupK > sollutions on VMS ? This statement is suggesting a new strategy... I like  clear F > talk on these matters without having to read between the lines so to speak.  6 We aske Legato much of these same questions last year.L They basically showed us our same backup scheme that we are currently using,) but with a send to legato on the tag end.   ) We use:  (designed by Compaq Engineering) K RMAN or Image/Incrementals => EVA backup disk => SNAP => VMS Backup Cluster  spools to tapes.   They proposed:L RAMN or Image/Incrementals => ODS5 EVA backup disk => SNAP => Legato (Linux) box spools to tape.   J So in order to restore, I would have to restore to a Legato box first, andJ then from there, I could transfer files to the VMS system.  This is F*ckedE up if you asked me.  Especially considering that we have a mixture of K Windoze, IBM and VMS servers.  So we would be adding a backup solution on a H new OS platform that we do not have any experienced support personnel at
 this time!  K Oh yea.   I need to backup 20+TB of actual used space each day!  (Raw space 
 is higher)   > Sue Skonetski wrote:/ > > Transition seamlessly to a high performance  > > backup solution for OpenVMS  > > E > > LEGATO, in collaboration with the HP OpenVMS Business Unit and HP H > > Services, is pleased to offer SLS and ABS customers LEGATO's OpenVMSE > > backup solution and solution training for a special, limited-time I > > discounted price. Additionally, HP Services has developed a Migration F > > Services offering to ensure a seamless transition from an existing= > > backup solution to the LEGATO NetWorker OpenVMS solution.  > > 2 > > Imagine a world where you have the ability to: > > G > >        Centrally manage all of your backup and restores on OpenVMS    I already do that.  $ > >        Perform LAN-free backups   Ditto   . > >        Consolidate your storage resources  4 It's already in a SAN  how are you improving that???  I > >        Backup Oracle RDB and Oracle data without having to bring the  > > database application down    Xerox.  D > >        Share your off-line storage resources in a heterogeneous > > environment   I I have to say that we are not doing this.  A tape library is owned by one  source.   I > >        Support disk-to-disk backup, with automatic migration to tape   9 Already doing disk-2-disk.  with scripts to send to tape.  How Automated is Automated?   H > >        Automatically clone savesets or volumes for off-site copies.  L CLI scripting tool on the EVA.  I'm sure that they are doing the same thing.  E > >        Perform heterogeneous backups with one centralized backup 
 > > server  K We could have that, but since we cannot nativly read an AIX filesystem on a G VMS server, how do we 100% garuntee that the data was actually read and 
 backed up.   > >        Support ODS-5   @ What do you mean support.  it's a requirement for this solution.    > >        AND reduce your TCO.  L How, I have to purchase additional legato licenses to do the same thing that i'm doing today.    F > > LEGATO and HP can make this vision become a reality. To learn moreJ > > about LEGATO solutions for OpenVMS and a time-limited special offer to8 > > migrate to the LEGATO/HP solution for OpenVMS, go to > > www.legato.com/hp/openvms  > > D > > If you would like to download a whitepaper on the LEGATO OpenVMS# > > solution click here for access. 3 > > http://www.legato.com/hp/openvms/whitepaper.cfm  > > C > > We are currently enrolling BETA customers for the most complete J > > OpenVMS solution for ODS-5 and Oracle Support. To apply for the LEGATO) > > Oracle/ODS-5 Beta Program click here. - > > http://www.legato.com/hp/openvms/beta.cfm  > > 9 > > You can learn more about our beta program by visiting . > > www.legato.com/hp/openvms/index.cfm#beta . > > < > > Please send comments or questions to openvms@legato.com.I > > Thank you for your interest in LEGATO software solutions for OpenVMS. D > > Together, we look forward to improving your OpenVMS environment. > >  > > Sincerely, > >  > > J > > Shaun Ellis                                and                    Andy
 > > Schneider B > > Product Manager for OpenVMS Solutions         OpenVMS Business > > Management > > LEGATO Software  > > Hewlett-Packard Company F > > 3210, Porter Drive                                             110 > > Spit Brook Road  ZKO3-4/T61 J > > Palo Alto, CA  94304                                        Nashua, NH
 > >  03062 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:37:30 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> B Subject: Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer...' Message-ID: <3FCBFAEA.271D6312@fsi.net>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > - > Transition seamlessly to a high performance  > backup solution for OpenVMS  > C > LEGATO, in collaboration with the HP OpenVMS Business Unit and HP F > Services, is pleased to offer SLS and ABS customers LEGATO's OpenVMSC > backup solution and solution training for a special, limited-time G > discounted price. Additionally, HP Services has developed a Migration D > Services offering to ensure a seamless transition from an existing; > backup solution to the LEGATO NetWorker OpenVMS solution.   H I'd like to suggest an extensive session at the next OpenVMS bootcamp on? this. The live demonstration should include, at a bare minimum:   $ o BACKUP/VERIFY of a running system.  ; o Shutdown, Boot the system from a CD and wipe the disk(s).   H o Restore the system and verify its condition as identical to before the disk(s) being wiped.  H Remember also that this *MUST* be done *WITHOUT* first having to build aE "restore system" - the tapes *MUST* be readable by standard-issue VMS . BACKUP in a stand-alone (boot cd) environment.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:47:30 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")B Subject: Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer...6 Message-ID: <00A29BC4.09D26D86@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  [ In article <3FCBFAEA.271D6312@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >Sue Skonetski wrote:  >>  . >> Transition seamlessly to a high performance >> backup solution for OpenVMS >>  D >> LEGATO, in collaboration with the HP OpenVMS Business Unit and HPG >> Services, is pleased to offer SLS and ABS customers LEGATO's OpenVMS D >> backup solution and solution training for a special, limited-timeH >> discounted price. Additionally, HP Services has developed a MigrationE >> Services offering to ensure a seamless transition from an existing < >> backup solution to the LEGATO NetWorker OpenVMS solution. > I >I'd like to suggest an extensive session at the next OpenVMS bootcamp on @ >this. The live demonstration should include, at a bare minimum: > % >o BACKUP/VERIFY of a running system.  > < >o Shutdown, Boot the system from a CD and wipe the disk(s). > I >o Restore the system and verify its condition as identical to before the  >disk(s) being wiped.   H Which you won't get with VMS backup, if it's a running system with filesJ open.  (/IGNORE=INTERLOCK is fine, but it doesn't guarantee you consistent files.)  > I >Remember also that this *MUST* be done *WITHOUT* first having to build a F >"restore system" - the tapes *MUST* be readable by standard-issue VMS/ >BACKUP in a stand-alone (boot cd) environment.   
 Why, exactly?   J If - and I don't know if you can, but if you could - boot from a CD with aJ preconfigured Legato client on it and restore to local disk, is there some$ reason that wouldn't be good enough?  L (Okay, it's not good enough if your problem is that you're worried about theL Legato server being down, thus introducing a single point of failure in yourK recovery situation.  But if that's the case, then do you want a centralized K backup solution at all, as opposed to having a tape drive on each machine?)    -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:25:46 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Another lost VMS saleH Message-ID: <KdPyb.57294$ZmO.42380@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  J A buddy of mine works for a competitor of my company. They recently sold aI software product to a major bank to serve about 2000 wealth managers. (we 0 don't have a product that competes in this area)  I The application is available only on unix even though my friend's company / sells other applications that still run on VMS.   I The hardware purchased for this application ( several good sized servers) G was Sun....not because the customer particularly wanted to buy Sun, but I because the underlying db was Sybase....and guess what platform you can't  buy new db licenses for....     H How's the weather in Davos carly(tm)? The jet running fine? Sold any VMS systems lately?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:51:15 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) > Subject: Re: Anybody monitoring vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest ?2 Message-ID: <TYMyb.9857$Yc4.5722@news.cpqcorp.net>  e In article <a98cd882.0311250651.3bbac6dc@posting.google.com>, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes: A :I have posted two messages on vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest about B :OpenVMS E7.3-2 but I seem to be the only one currently using that :group.  :  :Is anybody else listening?   D   No, and I regret that is and was the situation for the E7.3-1 SDK.  I   There was a miscommunication here within OpenVMS Engineering, and AFAIK J   the newsgroup was not being monitored -- I was not personally aware thatJ   there was even an SDK for OpenVMS Alpha E7.3-1 active (prior to commentsH   heard at the bootcamp, that is), though my direct participation in theE   SDK process would have been clearly (and greatly) limited by my own (   OpenVMS I64 V8.1 engineering schedule.  J   Centrally as a result of the huge volume of off-topic postings that haveE   been periodically found within the vmsnet heirarchy -- and entirely C   unrelated to the aforementioned SDK miscommunications here within I   OpenVMS -- the OpenVMS I64 and future SDK efforts will probably involve C   a website effectively derived from the OpenVMS software presently 0   supporting the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard website.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 14:24:05 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > Subject: Re: Anybody monitoring vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest ?3 Message-ID: <RDCyIrvD4CXR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <TYMyb.9857$Yc4.5722@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:g > In article <a98cd882.0311250651.3bbac6dc@posting.google.com>, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes: C > :I have posted two messages on vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest about D > :OpenVMS E7.3-2 but I seem to be the only one currently using that	 > :group.  > :  > :Is anybody else listening?  > F >   No, and I regret that is and was the situation for the E7.3-1 SDK. > K >   There was a miscommunication here within OpenVMS Engineering, and AFAIK L >   the newsgroup was not being monitored -- I was not personally aware thatL >   there was even an SDK for OpenVMS Alpha E7.3-1 active (prior to commentsJ >   heard at the bootcamp, that is), though my direct participation in theG >   SDK process would have been clearly (and greatly) limited by my own * >   OpenVMS I64 V8.1 engineering schedule.  J My recollection is that back in the days of the 7.3-1 SDK, things were ok. Did you mean 7.3-2 ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:32:57 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) > Subject: Re: Anybody monitoring vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest ?1 Message-ID: <dsOyb.9868$9x4.484@news.cpqcorp.net>   c In article <RDCyIrvD4CXR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: Y :In article <TYMyb.9857$Yc4.5722@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: h :> In article <a98cd882.0311250651.3bbac6dc@posting.google.com>, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes: .. :> :Is anybody else listening? :>  G :>   No, and I regret that is and was the situation for the E7.3-1 SDK.  ..K :My recollection is that back in the days of the 7.3-1 SDK, things were ok.  :Did you mean 7.3-2 ?   C   You are correct in your supposition; I had meant to reference the D   OpenVMS Alpha E7.3-2 SDK here -- and not the earlier OpenVMS Alpha;   E7.3-1 release nor the upcoming OpenVMS I64 V8.1 release.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:35:41 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)2 Subject: Directory output by date rather than name1 Message-ID: <03120119354110@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   J I was curious about the ability to perform a DIRECTORY with display output% sorted by date rather than file name.    For example:   $ DIRECTORY *_FILE.TXT;   D 23012913235089_FILE.TXT;1          0/0       29-JAN-2003 13:23:50.91D 23052709202986_FILE.TXT;1          0/0       27-MAY-2003 09:20:29.87D 33090914505324_FILE.TXT;1          0/0        9-SEP-2003 14:50:53.26D 43081912053255_FILE.TXT;1          0/0       19-AUG-2003 12:05:32.57D 53040711082544_FILE.TXT;1          0/0        7-APR-2003 11:08:25.54D 83052709375703_FILE.TXT;1          0/0       27-MAY-2003 09:37:57.03D 93090915185344_FILE.TXT;1          0/0        9-SEP-2003 15:18:53.45  / Where I would like to see the following output:   % $ DIRECTORY *_FILE.TXT; /VIEW=BY_DATE   D 23012913235089_FILE.TXT;1          0/0       29-JAN-2003 13:23:50.91D 53040711082544_FILE.TXT;1          0/0        7-APR-2003 11:08:25.54D 23052709202986_FILE.TXT;1          0/0       27-MAY-2003 09:20:29.87D 83052709375703_FILE.TXT;1          0/0       27-MAY-2003 09:37:57.03D 43081912053255_FILE.TXT;1          0/0       19-AUG-2003 12:05:32.57D 33090914505324_FILE.TXT;1          0/0        9-SEP-2003 14:50:53.26D 93090915185344_FILE.TXT;1          0/0        9-SEP-2003 15:18:53.45    9 Yes, I can use DCL or other compiler to make this happen.    Just curious (a lot).   1 To add insult to injury, how about these options:    Ascending or Descending option  % $ DIRECTORY *_FILE.TXT; /VIEW=BY_TYPE + $ DIRECTORY *_FILE.TXT; /VIEW=(BY_TYPE=ASC) % $ DIRECTORY *_FILE.TXT; /VIEW=BY_SIZE % $ DIRECTORY *_FILE.TXT; /VIEW=BY_FILE     1 Some of this is already in the /SELECT qualifier.      J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:31:35 +0100> From: "Winfried Bergmann" <winfried.bergmannNosPAM@empuron.de>8 Subject: Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ?: Message-ID: <bqftqn$23ah6h$1@ID-170759.news.uni-berlin.de>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag # news:3FCADF86.5C21A4DF@istop.com... F > I just read somewhere that current MACs come with Display Postcript,	 something L > they inherited from next. (heard it from someone who heard it from someone who  > heard it from someone...)  > K > If that is the case, does this mean that one could still run applications  suchK > as DECwrite and the CDA viewer with the output going to a X-terminal on a  MAC ) > even though VMS no longer supports it ?  > L > Or must display postscript need to exist on both the client and server (in X 
 > parlance) ?   I The NexStep and OpenStep GUI was fully based on Display Postscript, but I J guess, this has been replaced with X11 in MacOSX (so I never used OSX, but2 have still running OpenStep and NextStep at home).   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:17:16 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>8 Subject: Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ?5 Message-ID: <011220031217169852%paul.anderson@hp.com>   2 In article <3FCADF86.5C21A4DF@istop.com>, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  P > I just read somewhere that current MACs come with Display Postcript, something > they inherited from next.   @ I don't think Macs come with Display PostScript.  PDF support is? built-in, though.  You can save files as PDF or PostScript from  applications, for example.  A If you double-click on a PostScript file, you invoke the TextEdit D application which automatically translates your PostScript file into PDF.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:49:50 GMT % From: Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com> 8 Subject: Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ?= Message-ID: <harris-0F21E4.17495101122003@juggl7.zk3.dec.com>   ) In article <3FCADF86.5C21A4DF@istop.com>, ,  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  P X I just read somewhere that current MACs come with Display Postcript, somethingP X they inherited from next. (heard it from someone who heard it from someone who X heard it from someone...)  X P X If that is the case, does this mean that one could still run applications suchO X as DECwrite and the CDA viewer with the output going to a X-terminal on a MAC ) X even though VMS no longer supports it ?  X N X Or must display postscript need to exist on both the client and server (in X
 X parlance) ?   I Tried it from a Tru64 UNIX workstation to my Mac OS X 10.3.1 system, and  2 I get the no display postscript available message.  E If I recall correctly Adobe wanted to discontinue the use of Display  H Postscript and were activily discouraging it.  In the case of Mac OS X, I they might have even made if expensive for Apple to think about bringing  G Display Postscript forward from Next into Mac OS X.  Just a guess, but  B Apple spent a lot of money and effort standardizing on PDF as its  display format.   2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:22:10 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 8 Subject: Re: Hobbyist license and layered products - SLS' Message-ID: <3FCBF752.901847EA@fsi.net>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > To: Wayne Sewell...  > J > Your incoming mail agent is rejecting messages to your username. Forgive > my replying publicly...   
 Hi, Wayne,  C I think you may need to loosen up your spam filters a bit. Couldn't H reply to you from work (nmh.org, LookOut!, Exchange), either. This seems counter-productive.   G Tried VMSmail from user.dls.net (shells.dls.net). No indication that it  got through.  G Maybe you could e-mail me your FAX number and I could send hard-copy...    D.J.D.     --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:33:16 +1100C From: "Christine Ricketts/Andrew Stewart" <u1276a@uxnxixtxe.com.au> I Subject: Re: Melbourne Australia: VAX 6000 + HSC + SA + cables available. , Message-ID: <3fcba5a1_1@news.iprimus.com.au>   Greetings John,   7 > 1) Has all this equipment been in storage for a while # > or has it been in production use?   $ Unknown when it was disconnected but# still sitting in the computer room.   < > 2) If it was in production, what is the organization doingB > about replacement hardware - are they staying with VAX or Alpha,  > or are they switching vendors?  7 It's an educational institution.  Moving away from VMS. 5 Lots of Alphas, Suns, IBM, etc, in the computer room.    Regards, Andy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:12:51 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>6 Subject: Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot camp4 Message-ID: <3fcb76c1$0$26813$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   Sue Skonetski wrote:   > Dear Newsgroup,  > H > I just wanted to let you know that the next Boot Camp will be the week > of May 16.     Where?   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:24:31 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG6 Subject: Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot camp0 Message-ID: <00A29B8E.8F418174@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <3fcb76c1$0$26813$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:  >Sue Skonetski wrote:  >  >> Dear Newsgroup, >>  I >> I just wanted to let you know that the next Boot Camp will be the week  >> of May 16.    >  >Where?     : Where else?  Nashua, NH and likely to be held at the Tara.   --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" N   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 17:40:19 -0800t1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)o6 Subject: Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot camp= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0312011740.5ac44d9f@posting.google.com>o  F Sorry, The boot camp will be at the Sheraton hotel in Nashua, NH, sameE as the last two.  This is a five minute walk for the engineers and weo? had about 200 engineers come down to the boot camp in November.v  
 Warm Regards,. Suet      v susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message news:<857e9e41.0311281419.36fdae4c@posting.google.com>... > Dear Newsgroup,a > H > I just wanted to let you know that the next Boot Camp will be the weekH > of May 16.  Currently I am looking at ending at noon on Friday May 21.A >  It has not been decided yet but I am also thinking of doing an F > afternoon session on Sunday May 16.  In future the boot camp will be > yearly and in May. > G > We have received excellent feedback from the folks that attending the ? > boot camp in Nov and will be using many of their suggestions.  >  > Warm Regards,s > Suer   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:56:34 -0800 3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> 6 Subject: Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot camp. Message-ID: <3FCC1B82.8060508@Flying-Disk.com>   Sue Skonetski wrote:H > Sorry, The boot camp will be at the Sheraton hotel in Nashua, NH, sameG > as the last two.  This is a five minute walk for the engineers and welA > had about 200 engineers come down to the boot camp in November.T  @ They were curious to see what a real customer looked like?   :-)  = Just kidding!   It was great to have them there, even if onlynA for an hour or so.   More than once I saw interactions like this:/       o Engineer gives presentation  @    o Following the presentation, an attendee says something like?      "That looks great, but have you considered enhancing it byu      doing 'X'?"  @    o Engineer says, "Gee, that's a nice idea.   I think I'll put      that in."  @ I probably won't be able to come to the next one in May, but you4 can bet that I'll be there for every one after that.   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:17:02 -0500i3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ) Subject: Re: NTP build procedure for VMS?e0 Message-ID: <F76dnaPysIpzVlaiRVn-vA@comcast.com>  F One mystery solved!  If I specify the server/peer addresses in dotted H decimal form,  NTP is able to locate the servers.  This was reported as I a bug in UCX 4.1 ECO 6 and engineering said it was supposed to work that nH way!!  TCPIP services V5.0 fixed it but only, I believe, because it was F a port of the True-64 Unix code which did it right in the first place!  G I still would like to get NTP V4.2 compiled, linked and running.  V4.2 3D offers, in addition to amenities like NTPDATE, improvments in clock & selection that reduce "clock hopping".   Dirk Munk wrote:   > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  >DB >> It's fairly obvious that NTP is not setting the clock.  It not , >> obvious that it is doing anything at all. >>G >> The Wizard (and HPAQ tech support) say to upgrade to TCPIP Services  G >> V5.1 which I can't do.  TCPIP V5.1 works very well BTW, I'm running aD >> it on the four Alphas that I *can* run it on; they are generally G >> within a couple of milliseconds of the server they are synchronized F, >> with and that's well within my tolerance. >>F >> The NTP.TEMPLATE file is not much help!  The only basic difference H >> between what I was doing, and the template file is that I was  using F >> the "server" keyword instead of "peer" because I didn't want these C >> systems to have any peers in the NTP sense of the word.  When I eI >> changed "server" to "peer" and restarted NTP, the log file did report nG >> that it had found a peer and was now at stratum 2.  I also have the VD >> "correct-any" keyword which is supposed to allow NTP to jump the F >> clock if necessary; it's clearly necessary but it's not doing that G >> either.  Thirty minutes later, it's still at an offset of -2.334959 dE >> seconds from it's new "peer" and it's still drifting in the wrong  . >> direction at about 8 milliseconds per hour. >>' >> Do you actually have this working???- >>> > I will have to look at some systems at my work how they are H > configurered. We do have some older system running VMS 6 and UCX 4.2, I > but I hardly ever look at them. However I'm quite sure they do use NTP sH > for their time source. I hope to come back to you soon with an answer. >h   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:35:30 GMTa4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)) Subject: Re: NTP build procedure for VMS?I/ Message-ID: <6fQyb.387237$Fm2.397044@attbi_s04>f  f In article <F76dnaPysIpzVlaiRVn-vA@comcast.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:G !One mystery solved!  If I specify the server/peer addresses in dotted hI !decimal form,  NTP is able to locate the servers.  This was reported as aJ !a bug in UCX 4.1 ECO 6 and engineering said it was supposed to work that I !way!!  TCPIP services V5.0 fixed it but only, I believe, because it was iG !a port of the True-64 Unix code which did it right in the first place!l  O I was thinking about that issue yesterday while contemplating your problem, butvK since I was wrong in the assumptions I made, I just thought I should let itv go...   M I'm glad you found that one...ISTR that dotted-quad was needed in earlier UCXnM versions - since I never found a definitive answer, I always used dotted-quadc& for UCX, and FQDN for TCP/IP Services.  L Yet another reason I prefer to use Other IP Stacks(tm) when I have a choice.   :-)r   !snip!  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"rK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' h0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:33:08 -07006 From: "Phillip D. Williams" <dwilliams296@comcast.net>" Subject: Old license paks/software0 Message-ID: <04Gdnd316s1-8FaiRVn-iw@comcast.com>  / I have a number of paks that expired years ago. . Softpc/VWS/Dibol/VAX RPG just to name a few. I- was wondering if I can make them available ton5 the hobbyist user, since HP no longer supports/offersC0 any of the software/hardware. Or would HP have a cow!!! tkse phillipi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:37:39 -0700V+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>e& Subject: Re: Old license paks/software' Message-ID: <3FCBD0C3.6090200@MMaz.com>o   Phillip D. Williams wrote:  0 >I have a number of paks that expired years ago./ >Softpc/VWS/Dibol/VAX RPG just to name a few. Il. >was wondering if I can make them available to6 >the hobbyist user, since HP no longer supports/offers >any of the software/hardware. a >vC I suspect that you may be out of luck on all four counts since DEC -H didn't own SoftPC (as I recall), VWS doesn't work on the later versions E of VMS (past 5.5-2 I believe), and Dibol and RPG (again, if I recall cC correctly) are now owned by other parties, so really HP isn't in a u= position to make any of these licenses available to anyone...n     Barryd   --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        t   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 13:36:22 -0600i- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s& Subject: Re: Old license paks/software3 Message-ID: <pVIG4yHeuyyf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <04Gdnd316s1-8FaiRVn-iw@comcast.com>, "Phillip D. Williams" <dwilliams296@comcast.net> writes:n1 > I have a number of paks that expired years ago.c0 > Softpc/VWS/Dibol/VAX RPG just to name a few. I/ > was wondering if I can make them available ton7 > the hobbyist user, since HP no longer supports/offersi2 > any of the software/hardware. Or would HP have a > cow!!!  A The fact that the owner of intellectual property no longer offerslB a license to it in no way gives others a license to that property.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:00:58 GMTo# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) & Subject: Re: Old license paks/software1 Message-ID: <uSOyb.9875$Aq4.662@news.cpqcorp.net>   i In article <04Gdnd316s1-8FaiRVn-iw@comcast.com>, "Phillip D. Williams" <dwilliams296@comcast.net> writes: 0 :I have a number of paks that expired years ago./ :Softpc/VWS/Dibol/VAX RPG just to name a few. I-. :was wondering if I can make them available to6 :the hobbyist user, since HP no longer supports/offers1 :any of the software/hardware. Or would HP have aa :cow!!!h  F   From my experience with the Freeware, there is no certainty that anyE   particular package can be provided to hobbyists -- I've encountered D   various packages that have integrated within them various licensedD   or royalty components, and cannot be provided out for hobbyst use.H   Other software packages -- and at least one of the packages referencedH   here, apparently -- have been sold off to third-party software houses,?   and it would be up to the third-party to determine licensing.a  G   I can provide this request along to the corporate legal folks, if youuG   would prefer -- or (better) visit the URL below, and send the request5G   directly.  (Also -- as you indicate you no longer have current and/or H   currently-valid licenses for the products -- I am not certain what you    believe you could transfer...)  1   OpenVMS software licensing information website:g  3     http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=indext  H   You might also check the license agreement and/or contract(s) involvedH   when the software license was purchased, as various of these documentsD   I've read do tend to call for the destruction of all copies of theE   software upon termination, and various of these contracts will alsotG   typically reference permissions and prohibitions around sub-licencing-   and any license transfers.   	--e  C   I am not a lawyer, and I am not a corporate legal representative.O    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq-N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comw   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:38:52 -0600g1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> & Subject: Re: Old license paks/software' Message-ID: <3FCBFB3C.6A96A3B2@fsi.net>t   "Phillip D. Williams" wrote: > 1 > I have a number of paks that expired years ago.s0 > Softpc/VWS/Dibol/VAX RPG just to name a few. I/ > was wondering if I can make them available toe7 > the hobbyist user, since HP no longer supports/offers 2 > any of the software/hardware. Or would HP have a > cow!!!  1 "I have a number of paks that expired years ago."u  
 'Nuff said...b   -- t David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:28:57 -0500(* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>& Subject: Re: Old license paks/software) Message-ID: <3FCC06DD.8075513A@istop.com>.   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:3 > "I have a number of paks that expired years ago."e >  > 'Nuff said...o   $SET TIME="years-ago"e $LICENCE LOAD producta $RUN PRODUCT $SET TIME="current time"  K If those products are not included in the hobbyist programme, this offeringpL could have value. Sometimes you just need to run the software a couple timesN and it isn't a big deal to set the clock back for a few minutes while you need that software.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:30:01 -0600e5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> & Subject: Re: Old license paks/software: Message-ID: <bqh4g9$2258qq$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > 3 >>"I have a number of paks that expired years ago."  >> >>'Nuff said...s >  >  > $SET TIME="years-ago"  > $LICENCE LOAD productk > $RUN PRODUCT > $SET TIME="current time" > M > If those products are not included in the hobbyist programme, this offering N > could have value. Sometimes you just need to run the software a couple timesP > and it isn't a big deal to set the clock back for a few minutes while you need > that software.  > Still that would be illegal since the PAK expired years ago...   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:53 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) - Subject: Re: OpenVMS Limits Identifiers for Cs2 Message-ID: <14Nyb.9859$Yc4.8338@news.cpqcorp.net>  m In article <f401eb7f.0311251250.58ec3daf@posting.google.com>, soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) writes:   L :Does OpenVMS have a C header/include file that includes common limits like:G :#define CLI_INT_MAX    4095      /* OpenVMS CLI (interactive) limit */ > :#define USERNAME_MAX     12      /* OpenVMS Username limit */D :#define IDENTIFIER_MAX   31      /* OpenVMS UAF Identifier limit */Q :#define ASCTIME_LENGTH   26      /* OpenVMS C RTL Library: asctime definition */ > :#define NODENAME_MAX      6      /* OpenVMS Hostname limit */ :L :Or something of this nature???   D   Some of these structures are not as simple as you seem to think --@   there are potentially several different constructs that can be/   addressed by the buffer length, for instance.I  A   The username length can be 12 or 32, for instance, depending on A   exactly where you are looking.  The ASCII time length isn't 26, @   either.  Depending on which protocol is involved, the nodename,   can be 6, or can easily be another length.  >   Dynamic strings can sometimes be used as buffers, of course.  D   If you have specific system services or RTL calls of interest, forC   instance, I can look at either adding new or referencing existinga   constant values.  +   What are the specific APIs involved here?o    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqeN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comu   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:31:35 GMTS# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>p+ Subject: OT: Hidden Costs of Owning Your PC H Message-ID: <bjPyb.57354$ZmO.48563@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1211&e=2&u=/nf/20031201/tc_ nf/22773&sid=95609565    Hidden Costs of Owning Your PC  - James Maguire , www.enterprise-windows-it.comh  L Imagine shopping for a personal computer in a showroom that displayed a PC'sJ true cost. That is -- not just base sticker price, but the many additional& expenses associated with PC ownership.  K The total tab would be sobering. That mid-range PC, featuring all the bellsEJ and whistles for a mere US$1,200, might have a price tag of $4-6,000 -- orJ more. The average annual cost of a PC for an enterprise (news - web sites)H could be as low as $2-4,000 or as high as $13,000, IDC analyst Roger Kay told NewsFactor.  L What is it that drives the true cost of a PC is so much higher than its base= price? More importantly, is there any way to lower this cost?n       What's My Password?lI A PC's base price is "probably going to be about 20 to 25 percent of whatnE that PC is going to cost you over its life," Meta Group analyst Stevek Kleynhans told NewsFactor.  J There is industry consensus that the remaining 80 percent goes largely forK support, including the labor cost for repairs. These costs can be stubborn,lJ Kleynhans said. The reason: "They tend to be user-related costs that exist? whether you're using a PC, a thin client, or any other device."s  J People will always need help with their computers, so staffing a help deskK is a built-in cost that enterprises must bear. "The number one call to helpeG desks is 'I forgot my password.' That's not going to go away," he said.o  I One bright spot on the PC support front is the latest version of Windows, J Kay observed. "The cost of ownership for PCs has ameliorated since WindowsL XP, because they don't break as often for unknown and oddball reasons. XP is  a more robust operating system."     Two-Edged SwordfK Though PC costs can be cut only so much, careful management is the shortestaK route to savings. "The hidden costs associated with computers in a businessiF environment often comes down to how well you manage that environment,"< Jupiter Research analyst Michael Gartenberg told NewsFactor.  K Step one in optimal management is standardization -- from storage protocolsmC to procedures governing network use. "The more you standardize yourrH environment, the lower your costs will be," Kleynhans said. "You solve a' problem once, you solve it everywhere."A  H But standardization is a two-edged sword. The more rigidly standards areJ enforced, the more users lose the flexibility that makes PCs such valuableF tools, Kleynhans explained. "The user can do whatever they want to do,L provided they can find the software that allows them to do it. That's alwaysJ going to be the [tradeoff]: Lower the costs, but give up the flexibility," he said.     Automating MaintenanceJ Another method for lowering costs is automating all PC-related maintenanceF tasks. Every time I.T. personnel have to install software or execute aL script on a PC individually, it runs up costs. The classic solution: InstallF software distribution and other maintenance tools on a central server.  H "If I can automate administrative tasks using a tool to do that process,H instead of a person, I not only eliminate the costs of that person but II improve the repeatability and predictability of that solution," Kleynhansi said.i  F "If it installs correctly on the first 500 machines, chances are it'll, install correctly on the next 500 machines."     Constant MigrationI Many of a PC's hidden costs are incurred as that machine nears the end of I its life cycle. A reasonably new PC is much cheaper to maintain than a PC J several years old, so analysts recommend that companies constantly migrate> their PC stock, from old to new, to optimize cost containment.  K The key point is to have a "rational program" to keep the cost of migrationa under control, Kay said.  I "Let's say you chose an average life for your PC clients of 5 years," KayoJ said. "In theory, then, you should change 20 percent of them out [a year].I What you're doing is making sure your oldest PC is no older than 5 years.f  K "And when you're through with that migration, you start it again," he said.   K "That way your PCs are always reasonably up to date, but you don't have anycI bulldozer upgrades where you have to suddenly change your whole plant out=" because something ran out of gas."       Value vs. ExpenseOI Amidst all the concern about PC expenses, "it's also important to look at , both sides of the equation," Kleynhans said.  L In short, the expense of a PC must be balanced against its ability to create; profit, he noted. Viewed in this light, the PC is more of a=7 revenue-generating tool than a drag on the bottom line.   L "Most of us couldn't do our jobs if we didn't have a PC," he noted. "For all7 the complaining we do about it, the PC produces value.".   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:52:09 -0800m/ From: Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> ; Subject: Re: OT: Merger versus Takeover (Chrysler & Compaq)a/ Message-ID: <vsmse6e0j4v2b0@corp.supernews.com>p   JF Mezei wrote:bP > BBC reports that this week, a lawsuit by Chrysler shareholders will proceed inO > US courts. They alledge that the union with Daimler-Benz had been touted as azI > MERGER of equals, but was in fact implemented as a straight takeover ofy > Chrysler by Daimler.  D I believe this to be true. The book "Taken For A Ride" by Vlasic andH Stertz is based on this premise. And all the key players from pre-merger Chrysler have left.V  O > Not sure about could be done should shareholders win. But I found this tidbit:O > interesting in the context that HP and Compaq were also touted as a merger of A > equals but in fact, it was a straight takeover by HP of Compaq.w  E I don't remember it being touted as a merger of equals. The headlines.@ said "HP Buys Compaq." Which makes it even more interesting 8^).   -- e
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:50:15 -0500p( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>; Subject: Re: OT: Merger versus Takeover (Chrysler & Compaq) , Message-ID: <3FCB7F57.8050301@tsoft-inc.com>   Greg Cagle wrote:i   > JF Mezei wrote:  > G >> BBC reports that this week, a lawsuit by Chrysler shareholders will  
 >> proceed in E >> US courts. They alledge that the union with Daimler-Benz had been c >> touted as aJ >> MERGER of equals, but was in fact implemented as a straight takeover of >> Chrysler by Daimler.m >  > F > I believe this to be true. The book "Taken For A Ride" by Vlasic andJ > Stertz is based on this premise. And all the key players from pre-merger > Chrysler have left.h > J >> Not sure about could be done should shareholders win. But I found this 	 >> tidbit G >> interesting in the context that HP and Compaq were also touted as a   >> merger ofB >> equals but in fact, it was a straight takeover by HP of Compaq. >  > G > I don't remember it being touted as a merger of equals. The headlines<B > said "HP Buys Compaq." Which makes it even more interesting 8^). >   L It was definitely touted as a merger in the earlier stages, at least by the Q Compaq side, but if one were to read the fine print, it was apparent that HP was VN to be more 'equal' than Compaq.  Maybe HP was saying diferent things than the O Compaq people were saying.  Reminds me of the differing public positions taken RO by Compaq and Intel when Alpha was 'murdered'.  Just another case of trying to i) fool some of the people some of the time.y   Dave   -- @4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roade Vanderbilt, PA  15486.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:42:21 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)6 Subject: products deleted from the layered-product CDs$ Message-ID: <bqgcjt$f1f$1@online.de>  H I just borrowed the most recent VAX media to update my layered products.D Checking at the web site to see which CDs I need, I notice that from? time to time some products are deleted from the VAX (and ALPHA)e layered-product CDs.  G My question is, why?  These days, space can't be an issue (there are 8 lE or 10 CDs; one or two more wouldn't make much difference, and we are h7 talking about only a couple of products being deleted).   F The only reasons I can think of or a) something doesn't work with the E latest version of VMS (in which case I would expect an update of the (I product, unless it has been retired) or legal reasons (like in the clase tD of DPS) force a product to be dropped.  But I don't think either of  these applies in most cases.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:23:15 GMTT# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) : Subject: Re: products deleted from the layered-product CDs2 Message-ID: <nbPyb.9880$Aq4.6081@news.cpqcorp.net>  w In article <bqgcjt$f1f$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:tI :I just borrowed the most recent VAX media to update my layered products.tE :Checking at the web site to see which CDs I need, I notice that fromr@ :time to time some products are deleted from the VAX (and ALPHA) :layered-product CDs.- :dH :My question is, why?  These days, space can't be an issue (there are 8 F :or 10 CDs; one or two more wouldn't make much difference, and we are 8 :talking about only a couple of products being deleted).  E   An unnecessary CD in a kit is still a non-trivial manufacturing and-F   distribution cost.  (Assembling even the two-volume Freeware is moreG   packaging and assembly work than it initially might appear, as well.)-  G :The only reasons I can think of or a) something doesn't work with the aF :latest version of VMS (in which case I would expect an update of the J :product, unless it has been retired) or legal reasons (like in the clase E :of DPS) force a product to be dropped.  But I don't think either of a :these applies in most cases.o  G   The usual triggers for removal are a product retirement, or a product E   that has been sold to a third-party vendor, or a product or feature0E   that has been rolled into another package or into the base system. 0  D   Display Postscript -- the "DPS" citation above -- was removed fromB   OpenVMS and from DECwindows kit, for contractual reasons.  OtherF   layered products can include third-party royalties, or can integrate<   third-party licenses and/or third-party software, as well.  F   In specific cases, an existing and retired product may appear on theF   Freeware, such as the case with Notes and Macro64.  (Notes is new onC   Freeware V6.0, while Macro64 has been available for a while now.)5  E   It would appear you are looking for an unspecified older or retiredFB   kit, and -- turning the question around -- the question is, why?F   And which particular product(s) are you seeking to learn the current   status of?   	--0  E   nb: the CD distribution kits usually have documentation with or on  E   the kit which indicates which product kits have been removed and -- D   at least in general terms -- usually also why the kit was removed.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:35:08 -0600M( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)A Subject: QUEUE Manager startup in a CLUSTER after a server reboote1 Message-ID: <03120114350880@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e  I I was wondering how some of you startup your queue manager in a clustered  environment.   I am running VMS V7.2-1f   For example: A two node cluster.n* One node crashes and subsequently reboots.  3 I use the following command to start queue manager:p  + $ start /queue /manager /on=(*) qman$masterM    H The reason I ask; I recently had problems with my queue manager when theL crashed node rebooted.  The services failed back over to the crashed node onM reboot and since the server did not boot properly and subsequently hung so toi did the queue manager.         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nu VMS Systems Administratoro* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 20:27:24 -0800e- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva)h! Subject: RBF file from WNT to VMSy= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0312012027.3d9e577e@posting.google.com>a  D I need send a RBF file from VAX-VMS to WNT. I issue the command: (in WNT):n ftp vax1
 user:schwartz-
 pass:xxxxxxxx- >binary  > get bank01.rbf  ? but when I send this RBF file to VMS system (with put command),> restoring the file withs' RMU/RESTORE command I get this message:- software header CRC error.A My question: Is there any way to send RBF files from WNT to VMS, M7 and get data integrity ? Whats wrong in this process ?  Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:28:12 +0100 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: Re: Rdb on ODS-5 disk/ Message-ID: <bqfmmk$2ts$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>l   Larry Kilgallen wrote:k > In article <bqf8nl$ur3$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>, Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> writes:s >  > 6 >>Is it possible to create Rdb database on ODS-5 disk? >  > 
 > So long as:  > / > 	1. You run a sufficiently new version of Rdb- >   and   9 We use 7.0.3. Is it correct? But we (client) can upgrade.r  A > 	2. You restrict the names of files Rdb uses to the ODS-2 rulesn >  > 7 >>We need to change disc structure from ODS-2 to ODS-5.m >  > 7 > I would be curious to know why you "need" to do that.z  I We want to "open" system to Intranet. Our goal is to provide new reports e for client's management inH HTML form. So we want to use  e-business technology that requires ODS-5  disc.o  ? By the way. You can look at some screenshots from the system ate   http://xbae.sourceforge.net/   It runs on VMS.u     >sI > In my own situation, I "need" to have an ODS-5 disk to ensure that code  > I write will work with ODS-5.p   Robert   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:22:28 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump filesa$ Message-ID: <bqgbek$cg9$1@online.de>  E In article <03120108162554@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.comi (John Brandon) writes:    H > > Just a hobbyist system, fast narrow SCSI 2 on the ALPHA, slow narrowJ > > SCSI 1 on the VAXes, host-based controllers (i.e. the SCSI cards whichL > > came with the machines), locally connected SCSI disks (which can be MSCP > > served to the cluster).  > * > Ouch.  However as you say, hobbyist.  :)  D Considering that I got most of the stuff for free, that it runs the F latest version of VMS and various layered products and is good enough E for what I need it for, I'm quite happy with it.  I very rarely need 0E speed; most of the time is spent in EDT (within MAIL, or NEWSRDR, or .> writing code) or in LYNX.  Much more important is robustness,  dependability etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:39:57 -0600u( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)5 Subject: Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump filesr1 Message-ID: <03120115395741@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   F > Considering that I got most of the stuff for free, that it runs the H > latest version of VMS and various layered products and is good enough G > for what I need it for, I'm quite happy with it.  I very rarely need eG > speed; most of the time is spent in EDT (within MAIL, or NEWSRDR, or o@ > writing code) or in LYNX.  Much more important is robustness,  > dependability etc.  
 I hear you!  R     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n2 VMS Systems Administratorj* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 21:54:19 -0800a1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)n5 Subject: Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump filesd= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312012154.1f319a54@posting.google.com>t  | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<bq73e9$m4b$2@online.de>...J > Presumably, these should be locally connected and not MSCP-served disks,K > since that will a) be quicker and b) always be available, i.e. even when e$ > the node is not part of a cluster.  B Local SCSI disks don't have write-back caching -- individual disks< typically have track read-ahead caching at best.  Local RAID@ controllers may have read and/or write-back cache, as can remote& controllers like the HSx & EVA series.  J > Are single disks or shadow sets better?  Of course, if a disk goes bad, G > then there is a problem, but if one only has secondary page and swap -K > files on a dedicated disk, and minimal ones on the system disk, then one  0 > can still continue until the disk is replaced.  C How could you continue if the disk on which the secondary page/swapa files are located fails?  D When I used local page/swap disks, I shadowed them to prevent a disk  failure from taking a node down.   > I'm thinking that with a IK > shadow set, reads will be faster but writes will be slower and wondering  ( > how big a performance hit this can be.  B If the two disks were synchronized in rotational position, the twoC writes which Shadowing does in parallel would take exactly the same E time, but in practice, spindles are NOT synchronized.  So you have to-@ add some factor to the latency on the average (about 40%, IIRC).  H > A related question: if disk SPACE is not an issue, is it still a good I > idea to have the main swap/page files on a disk which is less "active" n> > than the system disk (even if it is on the same controller)?   I think so.  ---a5 For the worst page/swap file experience I've had, seee9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/09/10/5736451e   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 14:01:07 -0800k1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris):/ Subject: Re: Required reading for HP executives.< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312011401.1f912fd@posting.google.com>  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FC287F0.158BF59B@istop.com>...oP > The interesting portion of the article was the issue of a process failing overC > with such an exact copy that the same problem continued to exist.l >eJ > Perhaps this is where true clusters make a difference since the "backup"P > process can not only participate in normal operations, but is also not such an' > exact copy since it has its own life.   D Makes one wonder about whether process shadowing on NonStop would be% subject to this type of problem also.y  5 This is why the Space Shuttle uses a mix of differentcD independently-developed implementations on different hardware, which then vote on the result.  N > However, the danger is in RTR type of software in front of the cluster. If aP > transaction causes process 1 to stall, the RTR type of software will then sendN > that transaction to the second process which will also stall since it is theS > same software, and then RTR will send it to the next node and so on and so forth.   @ Your point about two identical back-end systems being subject toB identical problems is valid, but RTR can actually help rather than> hurt here -- RTR will very happily feed two disparate back-endF databases potentially running different operating systems and hardwareB platforms, and you can route those transactions from an RTR Client? system through a network of RTR Router boxes which use a mix ofaC operating system/hardware platforms as well.  And when one back-endlD fails, RTR Shadowing allows recording missed transactions during theD outage for a quick later "catch-up" of the downed system.  This willC allow you to more-quickly recover from the many outages of the UnixnF box you set up as a backup in the event your VMS database cluster ever4 suffers from a bug of the type we're discussing. :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:08:35 -0500i* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: Required reading for HP executivesv) Message-ID: <3FCBE600.348D585A@istop.com>n   Keith Parris wrote:g7 > This is why the Space Shuttle uses a mix of different4F > independently-developed implementations on different hardware, which > then vote on the result.  J Actually not quite. There are 5 computers, one of which is in standby with2 different software. All others have same software.  N (from what I was told) Much of the voting is done litterally with brute force.E If there are 3 actuators to move one surface, each is controlled by aCM different computer. If one computer goes nuts, the other 2 will still controlrA 2 of the 3 actuators and will be able to overpower the rogue one.   I In areas where there is only one item (for instance a pump), the item hasnH harware in it to decide which command has majority when it gets multipleJ feeds. I other words, the "voting" is done at the device level, not at the computer level.t  E The communications are done on a 1553 bus. This type of bus has a buseH controller, somewhat similar to token passing: it sends a command askingN device X to send data to device Y. It has a list of such commands to send in aJ particular order giving each device its time slot to talk to device Y.  ItK also ensures that after sending a command, the devices respond properly, soTN the bus controller can detect failures. It can be reprogrammed with a new listN of who talks to whom at each time slot, allowing device X to talk to Z instead of Y.c    M In the event of failure, brute force does the trick initially, until they canbL "restring" that bus controllerso that a different comuter sends the commandsL to the devices originally controlled by the failed computer. But restringing: isn't something done at the touch of a button as I recall.  J The 5th computer is there, listening on all conversations, but not sendingF anything out to commmand. As I recall, it is activated manually by theM commander in case of failure of all others. It then takes over all tasks with  no voting involved.w  M Remember that shuttle dates back from before VMS, and before clusters. The USgL side of the space station uses the same 1553 bus philosophy. It has a 3 tierJ hiearchical architecture. The lowest level has many MDMs (small computers)L which collect data and send commands to devices. They are not redundant, butM in some cases, a different MDM can be told by the bus controller to take someCN of the functions of a failed one. The mid tier is the "server side" managementH of station with automated tasks such as controlling station orientation,K temperature etc, as well as the task of collecting information from all theaN lower tier MDMs (think of it as the subconscious side of your brain). Each MDM: in the middle tier has one machine capable of taking over.  N The top tier is the command tier. It interfaces with laptops (running solaris)N that provide user interface to commands, telecom equipment etc. It is the tier= which has a more global view of the station. (C&C is Tier 1).e    * Here is some text that better explains it:D One of the C&C MDMs is fully operational, while a second is a warmL backup (powered on and processing data but not commanding equipment) and the
 third is aM cold backup (powered off). There are five pairs of Tier 2 MDMs; each MDM in  the pair is-L identical to the other MDM. Typically, one MDM is operational and the second of the pair is= powered off. However, the redundant GNC MDM is a warm backup.s   (GNC = guidance and navigation)c  M If you recall, a year or two ago, during the mission where they installed the J canadian arm, they had mega computer problems with hard drives failing oneE after the others. It was the tier one machines. They were down to onehL functional machine (the backup one needed to have its disk reloaded and thatJ took a long time), and they were affraid enough to tell the crew to reduceJ commanding so that disk/io would be reduced. (they have sinced switched to solid state drives)u  L The restringing of the machines to redirect bus IO to a different master canQ be done remotely by ground control. I do not believe it is an automatic fallback.S  I Note that a space station can continue to exist for hours even with totaltN power failure (as one incident with Mir proved). A space shuttle, during the 89 minutes from pad to orbit cannot afford to miss one beat.u  I On the other hand, there is no FedEx to the station, so if you run out ofSK spares, getting replacement part can be measured in months. (in the currentlJ context, it will is measured in years for some parts, such as one of the 4 gyro units)s  N Had VMS been chosen for the station, it would have a great marketing asset forN VMS, showing off its clustering capabilities. HP did get a piece of the actionK by supplying some of the servers on the russian segment, which gives them atC big sign prominently displayed at the Moscow Misson Control Centre.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 13:02:58 -080001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)s- Subject: Re: Routable Protocol for Clusteringg= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312011302.446f53ba@posting.google.com>4   "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in message news:<92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC11053206@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>...cG > We keep getting pressure from our networking group to consolidate ourcN > multi-site VMS cluster.  They want this consolidation so they do not have toG > worry about network configurations that support the non-routable LAVC L > protocol.  Are there any plans to make LAVC routable or tunnel LAVC in IP?  E Once VMS supports SCS over Fibre Channel (post 7.3-2), then you might-@ be able to use one of the boxes from CNT, SAN Valley, SANcastle,< Nishan, etc. which bridge Fibre Channel over IP (see the 'HP? StorageWorks Continuous Access and Data Replication Manager SANc Extensions' manual at-_ http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/UCR/SupportManual/TPM_aa-ru5cc-te/TPM_aa-ru5cc-te.pdfa@ for ideas) to tunnel SCS over FC over IP.  I don't know what the@ performance would be like, though.  And the FC-IP box pair would. represent yet another single point of failure.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 07:22:12 -0600r; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t( Subject: Re: SimH: no cluster connection3 Message-ID: <FVDMtFXgk9Ng@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  ^ In article <3FC5301E.8FCE10D1@free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@free.fr> writes: > Bob Koehler a crit :  >>  F >>    Service enabled was only needed to enable a MOM/MOP download andG >>    only on the download server.  It's only relation to clustering is C >>    that satellite get thier initial load via MOM/MOP before they  >>    join the cluster.g > ( > There are no satellites in my cluster.: > I will try DECnet instead of LAN for inter cluster comm.  H   DECnet is also not relavent.  Cluster communitation over ethernet uses?   it's own protocol, n ot part of DECnet, LAT, MOP, TCP/IP, ...t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:19:22 +0000i- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>g* Subject: Re: Subprocess termination oddity8 Message-ID: <racmsvk7cd0ms2e7cllpre93r0fvjo9s7m@4ax.com>  H On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 06:06:42 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  . >(two processes both attached to the terminal)6 >As a result, both had outstanding $QIOs to read input; >from terminal, hence, each process got half my keystrokes.s  I You can easily get into a similar tangle with the debugger and dcl.  If I @ remember rightly, what you type at prompt A goes to process B...   -- e3 Just when I make ends meet, someone moves one end. .   Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:26:23 -0500  From: Luba <luba@music.com>p* Subject: Re: Subprocess termination oddity) Message-ID: <3FCBA3EE.8EB251E4@istop.com>V   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:H > So it has nothing to do with Allin1, nor the stars and such. It's just > the way it works!J  F Well, I mentioned the alignment of the stars because we all know it isK *impossible* for VMS to have a bug in its process management... After all , J VMS has been around for ages, developped by competent people and it is notN conceivable that such a bug would have gone without a fix for such a long time :-) :-)b  O I think it is time for Sue to take out her whip and go tame a few engineers :-)w    M If two processes accidentally come to the foreground and read your keystrokesNN would this mean that one of the two has magically gained the "NOWAIT" bit ? Or" is the bug much deeper than that ?  M I wonder if typing in A T T A C H  P R O C 1  , hoping that it would be proc2 L that captures the non blank keystrokes might not put proc2 in the background" letting only proc1 read keyboard ?    I Also, what is the proper VMS terminology to describe whether a process ist1 "active" or "sleeping" ? foreground/background ? g  J can't use attached/detached since detached has a different meaning in VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:25:41 -0700d% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>n Subject: SWXCR configurationB Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031201132237.01f76f50@raptor.psccos.com>  K Trying to configure the SWXCR in the AS100 I just acquired.  I have several H RZ29B-VA drives to put in the cabinet.  The SWXCR seems to be configuredJ such that the internal SW shelf is on the SWXCR, and the internal tape andF CD are on the internal SCSI bus.  The drives I have all work fine in aF BA350 shelf.  If I put them in the internal shelf in the AS1000, I canH init the drives, format them, whatever, but only the drives in the top 3I slots (DRA0-DRA2) can be accessed (doing this all JBOD).  The rest of theTI drives get a fault light and spin down when they're accessed.  I can takei: them out and put them back in the BA350, and they're fine.  
 Any ideas?   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:55:34 -0500M( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: SWXCR configuration, Message-ID: <3FCBFF26.2010104@tsoft-inc.com>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:i  , > Trying to configure the SWXCR in the AS100    B Maybe both ambiguous and a typo.  I'll assume an AlphaServer 1000.  " > I just acquired.  I have severalJ > RZ29B-VA drives to put in the cabinet.  The SWXCR seems to be configuredL > such that the internal SW shelf is on the SWXCR, and the internal tape andH > CD are on the internal SCSI bus.  The drives I have all work fine in aH > BA350 shelf.  If I put them in the internal shelf in the AS1000, I canJ > init the drives, format them, whatever, but only the drives in the top 3K > slots (DRA0-DRA2) can be accessed (doing this all JBOD).  The rest of theIK > drives get a fault light and spin down when they're accessed.  I can take < > them out and put them back in the BA350, and they're fine.  Q These boxes, the AlphaServer 1000, 1000A, 1200, and maybe others split the slots fG in the storage shelf.  The top 3-4 are on possibly the first or second aN controller, and the bottom slots are available for another controller.  There O are jumpers/connectors that can place all slots on the same controller.  Don't aP have much experience or knowledge with the shelves.  Possibly someone with more N experience could help, or the owner's manual for the system should help a bit.  O As you state, the CD and any tape are on a narrow SCSI bus, usually integrated gN on the motherboard.  You can attach other devices to this bus.  I may, or may M not, have seen this 50 pin cable set up for half of the storage shelf slots. fH It's been a while and that emmory is a bit fuzzy, or just plain fantasy.   Dave   -- >4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486p   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:12:29 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>n  Subject: Re: SWXCR configurationB Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031201221035.02006030@raptor.psccos.com>  * At 07:55 PM 12/1/2003, David Froble wrote: >Dan O'Reilly wrote: > , >>Trying to configure the SWXCR in the AS100 >r > C >Maybe both ambiguous and a typo.  I'll assume an AlphaServer 1000.    1000 5/300.   L >These boxes, the AlphaServer 1000, 1000A, 1200, and maybe others split the G >slots in the storage shelf.  The top 3-4 are on possibly the first or rC >second controller, and the bottom slots are available for another  K >controller.  There are jumpers/connectors that can place all slots on the  D >same controller.  Don't have much experience or knowledge with the L >shelves.  Possibly someone with more experience could help, or the owner's ) >manual for the system should help a bit.p >,E >As you state, the CD and any tape are on a narrow SCSI bus, usually lF >integrated on the motherboard.  You can attach other devices to this I >bus.  I may, or may not, have seen this 50 pin cable set up for half of eL >the storage shelf slots. It's been a while and that emmory is a bit fuzzy,  >or just plain fantasy.e  H According to the jumper configuration & the docs, it's set up for a dualG controller configuration, with the on-board controller having the TLZ09pJ and RD46 on it, and the SWXCR controlling the internal SW backplane in the box.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:26:10 -0600+ From: Don Rogstad <Don.Rogstad@dalsemi.com>   Subject: RE: SWXCR configurationH Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF2194C974A5@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B89D.2D3726D2b Content-Type: text/plain;n 	charset="iso-8859-1"a   Dan O'Reilly wrote:   , > Trying to configure the SWXCR in the AS100" > I just acquired.  I have severalJ > RZ29B-VA drives to put in the cabinet.  The SWXCR seems to be configuredL > such that the internal SW shelf is on the SWXCR, and the internal tape andH > CD are on the internal SCSI bus.  The drives I have all work fine in aH > BA350 shelf.  If I put them in the internal shelf in the AS1000, I canJ > init the drives, format them, whatever, but only the drives in the top 3K > slots (DRA0-DRA2) can be accessed (doing this all JBOD).  The rest of the K > drives get a fault light and spin down when they're accessed.  I can take < > them out and put them back in the BA350, and they're fine.  L Have you run the SWXCRMGR software yet?   This problem looks like the bottom  L three slots are configured as some sort of RAID configuration (1 or 5) which  K would explain why the fault light comes on.  The SWXCR raid controller doesc notn! see the configuration it expects.   L   If you still haven't been able to find the software, let me know and I can  E send it to you or put it on a FTP site to be pulled down.  I have them "StandalonetJ RAID Array Software v3.2 for AXP systems" - AK-Q6TFE-CA that I use for my % AlphaServers 1000A SWXCR controllers.    Don Rogstadi Dallas Semiconductor  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B89D.2D3726D2  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"d  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2657.73">& <TITLE>RE: SWXCR configuration</TITLE> </HEAD>h <BODY>  * <P><FONT SIZE=2>Dan O'Reilly wrote:</FONT> </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Trying to configure the SWXCR in the AS100</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; I just acquired.&nbsp; I have several</FONT>j <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; RZ29B-VA drives to put in the cabinet.&nbsp; The SWXCR seems to be configured</FONT>g <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; such that the internal SW shelf is on the SWXCR, and the internal tape and</FONT>eh <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; CD are on the internal SCSI bus.&nbsp; The drives I have all work fine in a</FONT>h <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; BA350 shelf.&nbsp; If I put them in the internal shelf in the AS1000, I can</FONT>e <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; init the drives, format them, whatever, but only the drives in the top 3</FONT> k <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; slots (DRA0-DRA2) can be accessed (doing this all JBOD).&nbsp; The rest of the</FONT>mk <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; drives get a fault light and spin down when they're accessed.&nbsp; I can take</FONT>SW <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; them out and put them back in the BA350, and they're fine.</FONT>  </P>  n <P><FONT SIZE=2>Have you run the SWXCRMGR software yet?&nbsp;&nbsp; This problem looks like the bottom </FONT>e <BR><FONT SIZE=2>three slots are configured as some sort of RAID configuration (1 or 5) which </FONT>rl <BR><FONT SIZE=2>would explain why the fault light comes on.&nbsp; The SWXCR raid controller does not</FONT>9 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>see the configuration it expects.</FONT>a </P>  i <P><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp; If you still haven't been able to find the software, let me know and I can </FONT>is <BR><FONT SIZE=2>send it to you or put it on a FTP site to be pulled down.&nbsp; I have the &quot;Standalone</FONT>.g <BR><FONT SIZE=2>RAID Array Software v3.2 for AXP systems&quot; - AK-Q6TFE-CA that I use for my </FONT>0= <BR><FONT SIZE=2>AlphaServers 1000A SWXCR controllers.</FONT>u </P>  " <P><FONT SIZE=2>Don Rogstad</FONT>, <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT> </P>   </BODY>  </HTML>e) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3B89D.2D3726D2--r   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:13:05 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Re: TELENT in batch. Message-ID: <bqg3s1$ea1$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes in article <03112514491612@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com> dated Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:49:16 -0600:bC >I have a user that is asking me about using TELNET in a batch job.e# >My response is to use RSH instead.e >h; >Just out of curiousity, can TELNET be used in a batch job?. >t >Why or why not?  @ Most implementations of telnet support asynchronous, full-duplexH communications (which leads me to believe it's specified that way in theH RFC).  Batch jobs are notoriously synchronous, i.e. you want to know the= result of the first command before you "type" the second one.m  F The single-line usage of rsh is much closer to synchronous (completelyJ synchronous if the command is non-interactive).  Therefore, it can be used easily in synchronous scripts.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 07:33:57 -0600y; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s4 Subject: Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name?3 Message-ID: <bWxl7EyBur00@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <bqb7ej$dmb$1@reader10.wxs.nl>, Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl> writes: F > I need to fix the relationship between a PCs IP-address and the VMS F > terminal device name (TNAnnn:) when a user on that PC uses a TELNET J > client to login to VMS. In other words, IP-address 192.168.14.12 always 5 > uses TNA12:, 192.168.14.13 always uses TNA13:, etc.r  G    You better tell us what problem you're trying to solve by doing thisb2    as you're likely not to be successfull at this.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:26:44 +0100a" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>B Subject: The DCL minute of the day: sh kno links under DECnet Plus4 Message-ID: <3fcb41c2$0$26815$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  F Someone asked in the ITRC forum a question on DECnet Phase IV to Plus = coexistence. Please find below my adaptation of the DECnet IVe   $ mc ncp sh kno link   command.K (replace below the <ESC> string with the ESC value (%X1B or %O33 or 27(10))a   $!+u $! SHOW_KNOWN_LINKS.COMe $!N $! A DECnet-Plus equivalent of the DECnet Phase IV "NCP SHOW KNOWN LINKS" cmd. $!
 $! <input> $! P1: I  input links only $!     O  output links onlyp5 $!     B  both links (default value if p1 is missing)  $!7 $! P2: any character(s) will trigger LOOP display mode.(& $! Example: $ @SHOW_KNOWN_LINKS B LOOP $! Loop exits on CTRL C. $! $! <output>- $! Display example:0O $! Known Link Volatile Summary as of 20-NOV-2001 13:00:43 on FPT306 DECnet-PlusO $!O $! PID      Local User   Remote User  Access   from/to Node    type/Port numbermP $! -------- ------------ ------------ -------- --------------- -----------------P $! 00000175 (FAL)        PIDM4X       Incoming (unknown)       NSP$PORT_00002054N $! 00000091 (REMACP)     SYSTEM       Incoming xxx.yyy.233.250 OSI$PORT_0_006BP $! 00000091 (REMACP)     PIDM4X       Incoming (unknown)       NSP$PORT_00002056P $! 0000019F (PHONE)      SYSTEM       Incoming LOCAL:.FPT288   NSP$PORT_00002058N $! 0000015B SYSTEM       (unknown)    Outgoing xxx.yyy.233.250 OSI$PORT_0_006AP $! 0000018D SYSTEM       (unknown)    Outgoing LOCAL:.FPT288   NSP$PORT_00002057 $!M $! Results have been saved in files INCOMING_LINKS.TXT and OUTGOING_LINKS.TXTl) $! (you may wish to purge these files :-)e $! $! <side effects>l $! nones $! $! <disclaimer>cD $! This procedure is a NothingWare Product from didier morandi sarl.- $! http://www.didiermorandi.com/index_us.html  $! $! Revision historye $!( $! Version Date        Author     actionO $! ------- ----------- ---------- ---------------------------------------------r% $! v1.0-0  19-nov-2001 DMo	  creationo: $! v1.1-0  01-dec-2003 DMo        add DECnet version test. $!-bC $ if f$getsyi("decnet_version") .eqs. "00040000"      !VMS 7.3 onlya $ thenL $    write sys$output "This procedure runs only with DECnet Plus installed."	 $    exitf $ endifc $ on control then exit
 $ set noon $ if .not. f$priv("bypass")r $ then> $    write sys$output "You need BYPASS to run this procedure."	 $    exitw $ endif  $ goto START $!
 $ASK_USER:0 $ inq p1 "Incoming, Outgoing or Both? (I/O/[B])" $START: 8 $ choice = f$edit(p1,"trim,upcase,collapse")			!cleaning2 $ if choice .eqs. "" then choice = "B"				!defaultE $ if f$locate(choice,"IOB") .eq. 3 then goto ASK_USER		!invalid inputr $!+e? $! Display header (to have the user wait kindly during we work)  $!-h) $ this_node = f$trnlnm("sys$node") - "::"o# $ type/page nl:							!clear screent	 $RESTART:- $ gosub INIT $ gosub TEMP_FILES_CLEANUP  $ gosub GET_SESSION_CONTROL_DATA! $ time = f$extract(0,20,f$time())r  $ say "<ESC>[H"							!home only $ say -lM    "Known Link Volatile Summary as of ",time, " on ",this_node," DECnet Plus"- $ type sys$input $DECK< <ESC>[1mS PID      Local User   Remote User  Access   from/to Node    type/Port number<ESC>[mpM -------- ------------ ------------ -------- --------------- ------------------ $EOD $ if there_are_no_linkso $ then $    say "" % $    say "No information in database"  $    say ""-- $    if p2 .nes. "" then goto RESTART			!loop:	 $    exitM $ endifr $ close in_res $ close out_res G $ if choice .eqs. "I" .or. choice .eqs. "B" then type 'in_results_file'gH $ if choice .eqs. "O" .or. choice .eqs. "B" then type 'out_results_file' $ say "<ESC>[J"r* $ if p2 .nes. "" then goto RESTART			!loop  $ if choice .eqs. "I" then say -5      "Result has been saved in file ",in_results_files  $ if choice .eqs. "O" then say -6      "Result has been saved in file ",out_results_file  $ if choice .eqs. "B" then say -Q      "Results have been saved in files ",in_results_file," and ",out_results_files $ exit $! $GET_SESSION_CONTROL_DATA: $!+oJ $! This is the main loop which will gather a minimum of information on allN $! incoming and outgoing links via DECnet Phase IV and "Phase V" (OSI), nativeO $! and "over IP". A further version of the tool will also process TCP/IP links.  $!M $! To ease development, we gather all links, then for each link we gather OSI1M $! and NSP (Phase IV) data for both directions. The display will be different M $! according to the user choice (incoming, outgoing or both) at display time.o $!--# $ define/user sys$output 'outfile1' % $ ncl show session control port * allx $ define sys$output nl:  $ define sys$error  nl:sG $ search/window=(6,7)/out='tmp_search_file' 'outfile1' "transport port"w $ status = $status $ deassign sys$outpute $ deassign sys$error5 $ if status .eqs. "%X08D78053"				!no strings matchede $ then $    there_are_no_links = 1t $    return $ endifn $ close/nolog ch_scl& $ open/read   ch_scl 'tmp_search_file' $!
 $LOOP_NCL: $ read/end=EOF_SCL ch_scl line3 $ if line .eqs. "" then goto LOOP_NCL			!empty lineo $!+ J $! The SEARCH gives star separated data. We find a separator, so we recordL $! the previous result we computed before we read this line, then we go back* $! to read the next set of SEARCHed lines. $!-o$ $ if f$extract(0,3,line) .eqs. "***" $ then $    gosub RECORD_RESULT $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endif  $!+  $! scan line $! ========= $!-v% $ line = f$edit(line,"trim,compress")3 $!+i( $! get SCL (Session ControL) entry name. $!-2% $ if f$extract(0,4,line) .eqs. "Name"s $ then, $    scl_entry = f$element(1,"=",line) - " " $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endifS $!+  $! get local user name $! =================== $!-o0 $ if f$extract(0,14,line) .eqs. "Local End User" $ then6 $    loc_user = f$element(2,"=",line) - " [0,0]" - " "6 $    if loc_user .eqs. "42" then loc_user = "(REMACP)"3 $    if loc_user .eqs. "17" then loc_user = "(FAL)"o5 $    if loc_user .eqs. "29" then loc_user = "(PHONE)"a, $!   add your favourite network objects here $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endife $!+o $! get port number $! =============== $!- 0 $ if f$extract(0,14,line) .eqs. "Transport Port" $ then$ $    port_nr = f$element(1,"=",line)6 $    if f$locate("OSI",port_nr) .ne. f$length(port_nr)	 $    thenl* $       port_nr = f$element(4," ",port_nr) $       gosub GET_OSI_DATA	 $    elsem* $       port_nr = f$element(3," ",port_nr) $       gosub GET_NSP_DATA
 $    endif $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endifm $!+i. $! get access direction (incoming or outgoing) $! ====================I $!- * $ if f$extract(0,9,line) .eqs. "Direction" $ then, $    direction = f$element(1,"=",line) - " " $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endif, $!+l $! get remote user namew $! ====================v $!- 1 $ if f$extract(0,15,line) .eqs. "Remote End User"b $ then% $    rem_user = f$element(2,"=",line)e) $    rem_user = f$element(1,"]",rem_user)v- $    if rem_user .eqs. "]" then rem_user = ""i6 $    if rem_user .eqs. "42" then rem_user = "(REMACP)"3 $    if rem_user .eqs. "17" then rem_user = "(FAL)"m5 $    if rem_user .eqs. "29" then rem_user = "(PHONE)"n $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endife $!+r $! get remote node namee $! ====================- $!--0 $ if f$extract(0,14,line) .eqs. "Node Name Sent" $ thenO $    if rem_node .nes. "" then old_rem_node = rem_node	!save previous (?) value/' $    node = f$element(1,"=",line) - " "59 $    if node .nes. "<Default value>" then rem_node = node  $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endift $!+  $! get local process ID  $! ====================r $!-s4 $ if f$extract(0,18,line) .eqs. "Process Identifier" $ then4 $    pid = f$element(1,"=",line) - " " - """" - """" $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endif  $!+ : $! Nothing (very) interesting, we loop to the next record. $!-t $ goto LOOP_NCL  $!	 $EOF_SCL:  $ close ch_scl $ gosub RECORD_RESULT* $ returnO $!------------------------------------------------------------------------------ $GET_OSI_DATA: $ gosub TEMP_FILES_CLEANUP# $ define/user sys$output 'outfile2'O2 $ ncl show osi transport port 'port_nr' all statusP $ search/wind=(0,0)/out='tmp_search_file' 'outfile2' "Remote RFC1006 IP Address" $ close/nolog ch_osi$ $ open/read ch_osi 'tmp_search_file' $ read ch_osi line_osi- $ line_osi = f$edit(line_osi,"trim,compress")oL $ if rem_node .nes. "" then old_rem_node = rem_node	!save previous (?) value( $ node = f$element(1,"=",line_osi) - " "6 $ if node .nes. "<Default value>" then rem_node = node $ close ch_osi $ returnP $!------------------------------------------------------------------------------ $GET_NSP_DATA: $ gosub TEMP_FILES_CLEANUP# $ define/user sys$output 'outfile3'n( $ ncl show nsp port 'port_nr' all status/ $ if f$search("a.a") .nes. "" then delete a.a;*e4 $ search/window=(0,2)/out=A.A 'outfile3' 'scl_entry' $ close/nolog ch_nsp $ open/read ch_nsp A.A $ read ch_nsp line_nsp $ read ch_nsp line_nsp $ read ch_nsp line_nsp- $ line_nsp = f$edit(line_nsp,"trim,compress")a2 $ rem_node = f$element(4," ",line_nsp) - "(" - ")"J $ if rem_node .eqs. " " then rem_node = ""	    !missing in decnet_register $ close ch_nsp $ returnO $!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------  $RECORD_RESULT: 2 $ if loc_user .eqs. "" then loc_user = "(unknown)"2 $ if rem_user .eqs. "" then rem_user = "(unknown)"2 $ if rem_node .eqs. "" then rem_node = "(unknown)"B $! if rem_node .eqs. "<Default value>" then rem_node = "(unknown)" $ if direction .eqs. "Incoming"  $ then $    write in_res	-        pid," ",						-s6       f$extract(0,12,"''loc_user'            ")," ",	-6       f$extract(0,12,"''rem_user'            ")," ",	-       direction," ",					-6       f$extract(0,15,"''rem_node'            ")," ",	-/       f$extract(0,17,"''port_nr'             ")  $ else $    write out_res	-       pid," ",						-t6       f$extract(0,12,"''loc_user'            ")," ",	-6       f$extract(0,12,"''rem_user'            ")," ",	-       direction," ",					-6       f$extract(0,15,"''rem_node'            ")," ",	-/       f$extract(0,17,"''port_nr'             ")e $ endif_ $ loc_user = ""( $ rem_user = ""u $ old_rem_node = ""e $ rem_node = ""u $ port_nr = "" $ direction = "" $ scl_entry = "" $ returnO $!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------8 $INIT: $ delete = "delete"n $ ncl = "mc ncl" $ say = "write sys$output" $ search ="search"+ $ scl_entry = ""				!key to access SCL datam3 $ loc_user = ""					!local username initiating link 4 $ rem_user = ""					!remote username initiating link6 $ old_rem_node = ""				!original value for remote node4 $ rem_node = ""					!displayed value for remote node2 $ port_nr = ""					!port number (NSP$xx or OSI$xx)) $ direction = ""				!Incoming or Outgoingc2 $ there_are_no_links = 0			!flag for fancy display- $ outfile1 = "show_session_control_port.temp"d+ $ outfile2 = "show_osi_transport_port.temp"h! $ outfile3 = "show_nsp_port.temp"s1 $ tmp_search_file  = "temporary_search_file.temp"t) $ in_results_file  = "INCOMING_LINKS.TXT"a) $ out_results_file = "OUTGOING_LINKS.TXT"p $ close/nolog in_res $ close/nolog out_resi& $ open/write in_res  'in_results_file'' $ open/write out_res 'out_results_file'a $ returnO $!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------i $TEMP_FILES_CLEANUP:9 $ if f$search(outfile1) .nes. "" then delete 'outfile1';*c9 $ if f$search(outfile2) .nes. "" then delete 'outfile2';*p9 $ if f$search(outfile3) .nes. "" then delete 'outfile3';*nG $ if f$search(tmp_search_file) .nes. "" then delete 'tmp_search_file';*e $ return [EOF]n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:52:12 +0100e) From: Michael Unger <unger@despammed.com>oF Subject: Re: The DCL minute of the day: sh kno links under DECnet Plus: Message-ID: <bqfko9$1vbupf$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  , On 2003-12-01 14:26, "Didier Morandi" wrote:  H > Someone asked in the ITRC forum a question on DECnet Phase IV to Plus ? > coexistence. Please find below my adaptation of the DECnet IVu >  > $ mc ncp sh kno link > 
 > command.M > (replace below the <ESC> string with the ESC value (%X1B or %O33 or 27(10))0                      ^^^^^ >  > [...].  H Why didn't you use "$ esc[0, 8] = %X1B" to define the "escape character"1 and insert that symbol later on in the procedure?h   Michaelh   --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.m@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.i= My e-mail account at DECUS Munich will expire on 31-Dec-2003.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:00:07 +0100t2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)F Subject: Re: The DCL minute of the day: sh kno links under DECnet Plus; Message-ID: <3fcc0e47.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>d  * Michael Unger (unger@despammed.com) wrote: > "Didier Morandi" wrote:yJ > > Someone asked in the ITRC forum a question on DECnet Phase IV to Plus A > > coexistence. Please find below my adaptation of the DECnet IV  > >  > > $ mc ncp sh kno link > >  > > command.O > > (replace below the <ESC> string with the ESC value (%X1B or %O33 or 27(10))  >                      ^^^^^J > Why didn't you use "$ esc[0, 8] = %X1B" to define the "escape character"3 > and insert that symbol later on in the procedure?   > Because he uses it in a DECK which doesn't substitute symbols?  D That said, the DECK only consists of three lines which can easily be replaced by 'say's.    cu,    Martin -- dD                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    VMS & WNT programmer-   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.detD                     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/4                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:04:46 +0100c" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>< Subject: VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News, December edition4 Message-ID: <3fcb82ed$0$26801$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  : English version: http://www.didiermorandi.com/index_us.htm (French version tomorrow),     D. -- tN     Read the latest VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration News  | mirrors   | downloadsJ   www.openvms.org/dmorandi/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf   en USA        455I www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311en.pdf   en Europe    2752sI www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200311fr.pdf   fr Europe     590 I www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200310en.pdf   en Europe    1115nI www.didiermorandi.com/vms/vaxvms2itanium_200310fr.pdf   fr Europe     175e  <                    Discover the FutureVAX: www.futurevax.com<                    (number of visits, en : 3906 - fr : 2580)  J     didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPL   Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation ~ MigrationJ     Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287G       SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:42:00 +0100)" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: VMS on PDP-10?e4 Message-ID: <3fcb6176$0$26791$636a55ce@news.free.fr>  ) from http://www.cadigital.com/kildall.htme   ../..tM > Gary, and his students, wrote a small control program, which he called CP/MiL > (Control Program/Microcomputer). It enabled him to read and write files toN > and from the disk. Gary copied the commands and file-naming conventions from& > the DEC PDP-10 VMS operating system.   ???  :-)e   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 12:59:38 -0600s; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)p Subject: Re: VMS on PDP-10?i3 Message-ID: <Q+BKgClBY7pC@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  Y In article <3fcb6176$0$26791$636a55ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: + > from http://www.cadigital.com/kildall.htmt >  > ../..aN >> Gary, and his students, wrote a small control program, which he called CP/MM >> (Control Program/Microcomputer). It enabled him to read and write files tooO >> and from the disk. Gary copied the commands and file-naming conventions from ' >> the DEC PDP-10 VMS operating system.   C    Saw another contractor use "PDP VAX 11/780" when replacing a bidtC    originally based on PDP 11/70 with one based on VAXen.  It was a F    common point of confusion when VAXen were new as up to then all DEC:    computers were PDP-something, even if they were sold as    DECSYSTEM-somethingelse.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:22:20 GMTt/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)  Subject: Re: VMS on PDP-10?S- Message-ID: <C$DAT0VyDgk5@cuebid.zko.dec.com>r  = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:e& > Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:, >> from http://www.cadigital.com/kildall.htm   >> ../..O >>> Gary, and his students, wrote a small control program, which he called CP/MiN >>> (Control Program/Microcomputer). It enabled him to read and write files toP >>> and from the disk. Gary copied the commands and file-naming conventions from( >>> the DEC PDP-10 VMS operating system. > E >    Saw another contractor use "PDP VAX 11/780" when replacing a bidME >    originally based on PDP 11/70 with one based on VAXen.  It was anH >    common point of confusion when VAXen were new as up to then all DEC< >    computers were PDP-something, even if they were sold as >    DECSYSTEM-somethingelse.1  E The first 11/780 was sold to Carnegie-Mellon.  The purchase order wasoE displayed at the fall 1987 DECUS symposium in Anaheim, as part of theT% 10th birthday celebration of the VAX.n  . The line item listed was "Extended PDP-11/780"   -- p  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.come   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:17:04 +11002 From: "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au>" Subject: Re: Who is Alan Erskine??< Message-ID: <3fcbcbd5$0$20488$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  ; " Darrell Larose" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX> wrote in messageAE news:tt5xb.54224$Fv8.17160@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...CI > That would assume Alan Erskine even knows who JH Mezei is. Pointing theSK > finger esp. via an anonymous remailer is a red herring. The imposter IMHO. is, > in the Ottawa-Montreal area, not Australia  L I do know who JF Mezei is.  I had a short email conversation about the abuseH he and I have both been through and trying to identify the coward who is
 attacking us.:  I I can tell you that I don't think it's Mezei that's been posting, even inrK his name - the coward has been forging names again.  I don't think Mezei isrL around anymore; I sent him an email and didn't get a reply.  I think, unlike5 me, he got fed up with the abuse and left the groups.   8 I also sent Greg Morrow an email on 26 November, asking:  J "Why do you continue to post such things?  Why do you continue to post off topic?  0 Who are you?  What do you have against JF Mezei?  K Are you the coward who has continuously attacked me for over eight months?"   K And the email bounced.  Not just once, but also through my hotmail account.s( Sort of says something, don't you think?  G Now, someone posted that the "Bearbehind" post came from an Optusnet.au3G account.  Can they also find the originating account for the coward who:; posts through anonymous remailers like dizum and giglamesh?s -- Alan Erskine alanterskine(at)hotmail.comc   Iraq, America's new Vietnam<   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:46:56 -0600t From: stellar@idirect.com (Rod)o" Subject: Re: Who is Alan Erskine??1 Message-ID: <NaqdnZ1ccZ29YFaiRVn-sw@giganews.com>k  3 alanerskine@optusnet.com.au (Alan Erskine) wrote...h >e6 >...trying to identify the coward who is attacking us.  I I agree with you, Alan.  The little people who play the games online are  G cowards.  Immature.  Some get their jollies from abusing others.  I've -H used the same email address for years, and anyone who tries to reach me I by email will find that they can.  I may not respond, but it will get to EG me.  The others...anonymous...unreachable...are really just a waste of oH protoplasm.  Or...flies that there should be strips for.  To trap their @ little wings.  Does that sound a bit harsh?  Shrug.  My opinion.  B But notice: they are like bunnies in Australia.  Lots of them.  :)   Rod    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue,  2 Dec 2003 04:30:04 +0100 (CET)t% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>e" Subject: Re: Who is Alan Erskine??8 Message-ID: <f69de2de9b6e5dcf783bceef063e4b9e@dizum.com>  1 Alan Erskine <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au> wrote:p  < >" Darrell Larose" <CXotaX348X@rXogers.coX> wrote in messageF >news:tt5xb.54224$Fv8.17160@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...J >> That would assume Alan Erskine even knows who JH Mezei is. Pointing theL >> finger esp. via an anonymous remailer is a red herring. The imposter IMHO >isn- >> in the Ottawa-Montreal area, not Australiau >  >I do know who JF Mezei is.a  ; Of course you do, you're as much a psychopath as he is.....w   About Alan Erskine a   alanerskine@optusnet.com.aun  G Alan Erskine is a well known Australian netkook, psychopath, and cowardeJ who lives in Melbourne.  He usually stalks and harasses the posters of theK sci.space groups, although he is known to make excursions into a wide rangenK of other groups for the purposes of trolling and stalking and harassing the>K participants there.  He is currently under investigation by the authoritiesa= in Australia.  If you fall victim to his frequent attacks andbI stalking/harassment campaigns, like so many in the sci.space groups have,r9 notify abuse@optusnet.com.au .  This psycho is dangerous.I  H Most sane participants have been forced to killfile him for his frequentJ violent outbursts at posters and his unrelenting attacks.  Some are taking legal action against him.D  G Here are just a few of his victims.  He has been stalking and harrasinggF Scott and Betty Grissom relentlessly.  Scott Grissom is the son of GusG Grissom, the second American in space, who died in an Apollo 1 training-3 exercise fire, and Betty Grissom, 75, is his widow.-  E Alan has also been waging long-time stalking and harassment campaigns J against other well-known members of the space community, including RichardG Katz of NASA, John Maxson, and his sons Paul and Daniel Maxson.  He hassA even gone so far as to threaten to kill the entire Maxson family.   H He has been known to stalk his victims anonymously and via sock puppets,J showing what a coward he is.  Furthermore, he likes to challenge people toF fights, telling them to come to Melbourne and look him up in the phoneH book, while having admitted elsewhere that he is not listed in the phone book.  Coward!  H Alan is an enemy of freedom of speech and hates remailers, which serve aJ useful and necessary purpose.  He has resorted to impersonating others andK even himself through remailers in an effort to discredit remailers and makeWK it look like others were attacking him through them.  He regularly bombards,J remailer operators with hysterical complaints and threats and floods their
 mailboxes.  K Alan is currently on one of his psychotic crusades, this time to get people,I to killfile posts from remailers in order to prevent word of his misdeedseI from getting out.  Alan is a Nazi, he wants to be able to say whatever hetG wants about others but doesn't want anyone to mention him.  He wants to F express himself freely but wants to shut others up and, not only that,J wants others to do as he says, read only the messages he approves of, etc.D He wants to police, rule, and control newsgroups and people like the% perfect little jackbooted Nazi he is.o  D Alan is not just content to harass his victims in the newsgroups, heJ usually also stalks them via email.  If you find yourself on the receivingD end of Alan's famous psychotic emails, contact abuse@optusnet.com.auB immediately, as well as the law enforcement agencies in Melbourne,B Australia.  This psycho is very violent.  Do not attempt to reasonD with him yourself, many others have tried and he does not respond to+ reason.  Let the authorities deal with him.,   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:34:07 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Wildcard searchinga) Message-ID: <3FCBA5BE.8355218D@istop.com>    "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:FM > The best way I can think of is to do your STR$MATCH_WILD "*choco*te*" check M > first, then if it's true, STR$POSITION for "choco" and double-check each of-2 > those against "choco*te*" until you get a match.    M If you have one single large buffer containing many lines, the STR$MATCH_WILDiM will return a positive for a file that begins with "choco" and a few thousand  lines later ends with "te".F  K Is there the expectation that searching by widlcards will be limited to theA0 pattern being wholly contained within one line ?  L Also, in C, if I were to write my own wildcard searching routine, what wouldF be the best way to make a case-insensituve comparison of two strings ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:17:06 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Wildcard searchingo; Message-ID: <3fcc1242.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>t  + JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com) wrote:sM > Is there the expectation that searching by widlcards will be limited to then2 > pattern being wholly contained within one line ?  1 From what I know from perl, you should be able tou7 - explicitly include the newlines in the search pattern > - choose to make the newline match the 'one character' pattern  N > Also, in C, if I were to write my own wildcard searching routine, what wouldH > be the best way to make a case-insensituve comparison of two strings ?  ( Lowercase both strings and then compare.  D Perhaps it would be best to use the freely available GNU rxlib; thatG gives you standard regular expressions. I have included it in the htdigS2 source distribution (available from my home page).   cu,-   Martin -- -A                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer . Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 5 Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.deo   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:09:41 -0500* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>* Subject: Re: Will VMS run on one of these?, Message-ID: <3fcbcb1c$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  L "peter.watkinson1@ ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)" <nospam> wrote in message1 news:3fc7ad73.16010359@news.cable.ntlworld.com...D >1 >DD > http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/E8870/i2DMR-iG2.htm > ) > or any other itaniums i.e. sgi systems?   J I suspect that the Supermicro board is based on the Intel reference designJ board for Itanium II.  While I don't have a Supermicro board, I do have an Intel reference design board.l  J As a midnight project, I have made some attempts to get the Intel board toD boot VMS.  We have uncovered a number of assumption in our boot codeK specific to HP platforms.  We are slowly removing these assumptions becausedL they improve our ability to support future HP systems.  At some point in theJ future, I hope to report that VMS boots on the Intel reference board.  TheK same code would likely boot the Supermicro board.  I also might get busy oneJ another project an never have time to get the Intel board to boot VMS.  OfK course, just because the board can boot VMS, that doesn't mean it will evers be a supported VMS platform!  J One interesting issue is that the Intel E8870 chip set does not support IOF map register.  Any 32-bit PCI device must DMA into a buffer in the lowE 32-bit address space, then the CPU must copy the memory to the actuallJ destination in 64-bit space.  HP systems use the ZX1 chipset which provideJ IO map registers.  This is clearly an advantage that HP chipsets have overL the Intel design, resulting in much better performance.  Driver support willJ also be an issue on the Intel board, since you will need to use only thoseL PCI options which have VMS device drivers.  The limitation in the E8870 chipF set may also impose restriction on device drivers that can handle this limited form of DMA.  L One day, it might be possible to use a generic Intel board as an unsupportedJ test or development platform for VMS.  For mission critical application, IA think you will want a fully qualified HP platform to run your VMS" application.     Paul A. Jacobi Hewlett Packard Companyc! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14D 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698F$ Email: Paul dot Jacobi at hp dot com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2003 21:28:20 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)F> Subject: Re: X Views: Plotting Capacity Date by David W. Bynon= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312012128.2ae51257@posting.google.com>h  j denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny) wrote in message news:<2a9d9498.0311261058.441f214@posting.google.com>...F > In the December 1990 issue of VAX Professional, page 31, there is an8 > article by DWBynon, "X Views: Plotting Capacity Data". > D > The article references a set of programs (CAPACITY.DOC is the selfE > extracting kit) to be found on the ARIS/BB (right!). These programs3@ > accept input from the MONITOR program, and produce graphs in a > dECWindow.  ) If you can't find this, take a look at T4FC (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/t4/index.html).  It cancC take MONITOR data and create .CSV data.  .CSV data, in turn, can bep plotted by tools like Excel.  F ECP is another free performance tool for VMS that can generate graphs.= See http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ecp/index.htmlF   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue,  2 Dec 2003 04:30:03 +0100 (CET)i% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>I5 Subject: Re: [INFO] Frog introduces bottom disclaimerT8 Message-ID: <9aa66ce1fdc4b837abe3bef1b522af1b@dizum.com>  P JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> whined, moaned, groaned, and continued trolling for pity:e   >"Stephen K. Gielda" wrote:aH >> I don't disagree.  I just fear that the only form of truely anonymous) >> communication on usenet is being lost.I >vL >All of USENET is being lost, not just the ability to send one message in an& >anonymous way. Why is it being lost ?  P Because of psychopaths like you who have no jobs and nothing resembling a normalH life and sit home all day flooding newsgroups with their lame trolls and conspiracy theories.  M >One the one hand, the abuse is forcing poeple off usenet. On the other hand,-M >it will forced the rest of the net to block those few sites that make all ofd >usenet lose its value.i  M You mean like sympatico.ca, bellglobal.com, and videotron.ca who have enabled - you to abuse usenet for over a DECADE, right?a  M >Do you realise how much time it takes to deal with google (deja news) to get0O >all posts done with a forged email address to be removed from their archives ?pM >And then you have those collaborating assholes who quote the entire contentsn> >of the forged post to make sure it gets archived into Google.  H Oh, poor Mr. Nazi, he's having a hard time eliminating those who dare to? "collaborate" with the enemy and simply reply to a usenet post.o  N >If a remailer refuses to implement those rules and prefers to continue to useI >his facilities to have fun by spamming/trolling usenet, then appropriate ? >action must be taken to isolate that server from the internet.e  N So why don't your ISPs take appropriate action against you for trolling usenetB over a decade, most recently under such fabulous aliases as these:   nobody <nobody@nobody.com>) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>a& Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>s Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>a" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>d' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>-" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>r' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>o( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>r' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>u% Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>a Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>s! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>-# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>3  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>. Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>o$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org><! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>B  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>p& Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>L% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>d' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>-( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>)' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>0% Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>5( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>!& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>() Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>c" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>D* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>o* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>t Q <queue@continuum.net>( Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>h  K Perhaps you'd have better luck if you explain it to people in person, sinceo8 you're having such a hard time convincing anyone online:   Jean-Francois Mezeit 86 Harwood Gateu Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 695-8259   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.666 ************************