1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 03 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 668       Contents: Re: A sort of a "me too" Re: A sort of a "me too"5 Re: Advanced Server sending alerts to Win2000 servers 9 Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer... 1 CODASYL DBMS will be ported to the Itanium Family / Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ? / Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ? 1 Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes 1 Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes 1 Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes 1 Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes ) Re: Error trying to analyse process dump. ) Re: Error trying to analyse process dump.  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!  Freeware download corrupt (?) C Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ? C Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ? C Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ? 0 Re: HP Gains Share on Supercomputing TOP500 list0 Re: HP Gains Share on Supercomputing TOP500 list0 Re: HP Gains Share on Supercomputing TOP500 list0 Re: HP Gains Share on Supercomputing TOP500 list? HP Retains Worldwide Lead in Server Shipments & Retakes US Lead C Re: HP Retains Worldwide Lead in Server Shipments & Retakes US Lead  Re: HP's Adaptive Enterprise% HSJ50/HSZ50 RAID Configuration Puzzle ) Re: HSJ50/HSZ50 RAID Configuration Puzzle  lib$spawn output-file  Re: lib$spawn output-file 8 Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid!( Re: Memory Error on Alphastation 255/233" Need DECW$SERVER_DDX_ATIMACH32.EXE& Re: Need DECW$SERVER_DDX_ATIMACH32.EXE5 Re: New maynagement software Nimbus also for OpenVMS?  Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive 1 OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software P Re: OT: Opteron vs. Xeon - could the same hold true for Opteron vs. IA64? IA64?I OT: What's next for HP?  Re: OT: What's next for HP? " Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS, Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday  Re: SWXCR configuration  Re: SWXCR configuration  Re: TELENT in batch  Re: VMS on PDP-10? Re: VMS on PDP-10? Working Sets for Misc Processes # Re: Working Sets for Misc Processes * Re: XFC 7.3 and Process States (HIBO/LEFO)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 21:04:33 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: A sort of a "me too" 2 Message-ID: <B77zb.77076$361.22154@news.chello.at>  q In article <cf15391e.0312011953.5fa5cc97@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: a >"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3FC40FAE.A430D05F@fsi.net>... < >> Now, I'll ask the same things I asked of Fred (sort of):  >>I >> When can we expect to start seeing the ads in mainstream publications? 5 >> ...on TV? ...in the trade papers? ...on the radio?  >>  F >> When will HP start winning back lost ISVs? ...winning over UN*X and >> Windows ISVs? > G >Unfortunately, neither Fred nor I have any control over any portion of  >HP's advertising spending.  > E >While they also have no control over HP corporate-level advertising, D >Mark Gorham does allocate a budget to Bob Blatz to do VMS Marketing >activities. > K >> When will we see the price reductions that VMS *MUST* have to become and  >> remain competitive? > + >Keep your eyes open around VMS on Itanium.   3 Gee, that's the wait-n-see we heard the last years.  Why not doing something now ?   G >> When will we start seeing OpenVMS positions on the Job boards again?  > D >A quick Monster.com search on "VMS" pulls up 164 listings, so there >are at least some out there.   9 Is this more or less than last year or 2 or 5 years ago ?   A >You'll probably begin to see more listings when the demand again A >exceeds the supply -- right now it's not hard at all to find VMS C >expertise, and at reasonable prices.  If folks try to tell you VMS F >folks are hard to find and expensive, it's a sign they haven't looked
 >recently.  @ The demand for VMS engineers ? Yes, that will grow a little bit.E Unfortunately the supply (older VMS guys loosing their job) will grow  much larger, I suppose.   J You might know me as a VMS supporter. but I still have great fear for VMS.J I still see big shops (continue to) replacing VMS, even in the key marketsM like finance and health business. I suppose the winner will be IBM and Linux.   E So, please, don't feed us with some killer arguments how good VMS is. H We know this. Better give us applications, price/performance and hope...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:03:43 -0500 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> ! Subject: Re: A sort of a "me too" A Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031202195246.02785558@mail.patmedia.net>   A At 04:04 PM 12/2/2003, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote (in part):   I > >> When will we start seeing OpenVMS positions on the Job boards again?  > > F > >A quick Monster.com search on "VMS" pulls up 164 listings, so there > >are at least some out there.  > : >Is this more or less than last year or 2 or 5 years ago ?  K You have to be careful when looking for 'VMS' positions on the job boards.  K I have seen it as an abbreviation for 'Vehicle Maintenance System', 'Voice  B Messaging System', 'Vendor Management System', and something from E CISCO.  Also, a lot of those postings are duplicates (same job, many  L posting companies).  One of the problems I have run across in my job search D (OpenVMS System Manager in the NYC area) is that many companies are I requiring so much diverse knowledge that the recruiting firms won't even  H look at your resume if you don't have all of the keywords mentioned.  I D have seen jobs posted since August for example requiring VMS System I Management skills and an in depth knowledge of DSM, or they want current  & knowledge of VMS, UNIX, and Windows...  ? BTW, I have an interview on Friday afternoon in Orangeburg, NY  I (VerizonWireless) for a full time position.  I got a call from HR (never  J saw an ad, never submitted my resume recently). All that HR could tell me I about the position is that it's for a Senior OpenVMS System Manager... I  D hope it doesn't snow...  I've been out since the end of January. :-(   Ken Robinson" kenrbnsn1 (at) patmedia (dot) net    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:20:30 -05005 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> > Subject: Re: Advanced Server sending alerts to Win2000 servers/ Message-ID: <vsqi3mio7m0056@corp.supernews.com>    Jeremy -  K If you really have the alerter service disabled (and it sure looks like you H do), and, these alerts continue to be sent out, then something is wrong.  G When Advanced Server has the Alerter service enabled and, alertnames in H pwrk$lanman:lanman.ini (or equivalent registry) is set to Administrator,K then whenever an "alert" occurs, the Alerter service will broadcast (on the ? local subnet) the alert to the NetBIOS name ADMINISTRATOR\0x03.   I Any one who has claimed that name will get the alerts, regardless of what  domain they are in.   F So, someone on the Win200 server has likely caused it to register  theE NetBIOS name ADMINISTRATOR\0x03 and it therefore receives the alerts.   ( To stop the alerter service, you can do:  "       $ admin stop service alerterJ       $ edit pwrk$lanman:lanman.ini  ! remove it from srvservices= line to> permanently keep it from starting (or equivalent registry key)  ! But, I assume you have done that.   G You can change the alert level such that it takes a much greater number H (65535?) of events to occur before this particular alert is sent.  Add aF line in the [server] section (or equivalent registry key) which reads:           accessalert=65535   " but that might just be a band aid.  I If you really have disabled the alerter service, and, it keeps generating I alerts, then, I think you should contact Customer support and escalate to  engineering.  
 Brad McCusker  Hewlett-Packard Company  OpenVMS Engineering 
 Nashua NH USA       1 "Jeremy Begg" <notme@vsm.com.au> wrote in message & news:BBEBE696.4579%notme@vsm.com.au... > Hi,  > F > An AlphaServer DS20E is running Advanced Server V7.3A for OpenVMS on OpenVMS J > Alpha V7.3.  Advanced Server is the domain controller.  Here's a list of the  > services it's running: >  > Services on server "LICKER": >  > Service          Status " > ---------------  --------------- > BROWSER          Started > EVENTLOG         Started > NETLOGON         Started > SERVER           Started > TIMESOURCE       Started >  >   Total of 5 services  > I > The ALERTER service isn't running (which is deliberate).  So why does a > > local Win2000 server display this message from time to time: > ; >     Message from LICKER to ADMINISTRATOR on <date> <time> A >     There were 5 access-denied errors in the last 1450 minutes. - >     Please review the server's audit trail.  > @ > How do I stop Advanced Server from broadcasting such messages? > 	 > Thanks,  >  >         Jeremy Begg  > / > (email address is my first name @ vsm.com.au)  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:23:08 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>B Subject: Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer...6 Message-ID: <3FCD490C.D73D2D63@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > ] > In article <3FCBFAEA.271D6312@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > >Sue Skonetski wrote:  > >>0 > >> Transition seamlessly to a high performance  > >> backup solution for OpenVMS > >>F > >> LEGATO, in collaboration with the HP OpenVMS Business Unit and HPI > >> Services, is pleased to offer SLS and ABS customers LEGATO's OpenVMS F > >> backup solution and solution training for a special, limited-timeJ > >> discounted price. Additionally, HP Services has developed a MigrationG > >> Services offering to ensure a seamless transition from an existing > > >> backup solution to the LEGATO NetWorker OpenVMS solution. > > K > >I'd like to suggest an extensive session at the next OpenVMS bootcamp on B > >this. The live demonstration should include, at a bare minimum: > > ' > >o BACKUP/VERIFY of a running system.  > > > > >o Shutdown, Boot the system from a CD and wipe the disk(s). > > K > >o Restore the system and verify its condition as identical to before the  > >disk(s) being wiped.  > J > Which you won't get with VMS backup, if it's a running system with filesL > open.  (/IGNORE=INTERLOCK is fine, but it doesn't guarantee you consistent	 > files.)   3 ...which is why I said "condition", not "contents".    > > K > >Remember also that this *MUST* be done *WITHOUT* first having to build a H > >"restore system" - the tapes *MUST* be readable by standard-issue VMS1 > >BACKUP in a stand-alone (boot cd) environment.  >  > Why, exactly?   C Is my employer the only 24x7 mission critical shop in the world? (I 
 doubt it.)  F Seriously, our new manager says he doesn't understand downtime and why its necessary.  C The "Why" is simple: time. Eliminate the time to restore the backup H server and just boot up the VMS the CD and start restoring. You'll be up and running HOURS earlier!  L > If - and I don't know if you can, but if you could - boot from a CD with aL > preconfigured Legato client on it and restore to local disk, is there some& > reason that wouldn't be good enough?  G Depends. Is the legato backup server running VMS? ...or something else?    Still, K.I.S., S.   N > (Okay, it's not good enough if your problem is that you're worried about theN > Legato server being down, thus introducing a single point of failure in your > recovery situation.   F Unless your recovery site keeps a hot backup of your legato server, it8 will be "down" when you walk in with your restore media.  8 > But if that's the case, then do you want a centralizedM > backup solution at all, as opposed to having a tape drive on each machine?)    Say, "TSAN".   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:23:34 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>: Subject: CODASYL DBMS will be ported to the Itanium Family4 Message-ID: <3fcce6e6$0$27028$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  2 CODASYL DBMS will be ported to the Itanium Family:  C http://www.oracle.com/rdb/pdf/nyc_slides_030314/rdb_status_3_14.pdf 
 (slide 20)  D Thanks to a German reader of the VAX/VMS to Itanium Migration Letter+ (http://www.didiermorandi.com/index_us.htm)    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:36:50 +1030 $ From: Jeremy Begg <notme@vsm.com.au>8 Subject: Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ?, Message-ID: <BBF35F32.476E%notme@vsm.com.au>   On 1/12/03 11:31 PM, in article > 224291b.0312010501.44ad8e81@posting.google.com, "Martin Kirby"" <martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:  D > There were two shared images on the client side that were removed:' > XDPS$DPSLIBSHR and XDPS$DPSCLIENTSHR.  > J > Therefore, you would probably need to stick with a version of DECwindows! > that still had those libraries.   I Or do what I did ... restored those images from my pre-upgrade Backup.  I L haven't actually tried reading a PostScript file with them but I expect thatF they will work.  (I had to restore them to keep DECwrite operational.)           Jeremy Begg    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:58:16 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG8 Subject: Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ?0 Message-ID: <00A29C8E.BC6D7297@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <BBF35F32.476E%notme@vsm.com.au>, Jeremy Begg <notme@vsm.com.au> writes:   >On 1/12/03 11:31 PM, in article? >224291b.0312010501.44ad8e81@posting.google.com, "Martin Kirby" # ><martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:  > E >> There were two shared images on the client side that were removed: ( >> XDPS$DPSLIBSHR and XDPS$DPSCLIENTSHR. >>  K >> Therefore, you would probably need to stick with a version of DECwindows " >> that still had those libraries. > J >Or do what I did ... restored those images from my pre-upgrade Backup.  IM >haven't actually tried reading a PostScript file with them but I expect that G >they will work.  (I had to restore them to keep DECwrite operational.)  >  >        Jeremy Begg >   I But I thought that even the hooks into them were removed from DECWindows. I I'm pretty sure that I too tired this workaround and would have continued $ it on present machines if it worked.  J FYI, google found your SimH builds for the PowerBook.  I downloaded it andH it works great.  I'd really like ethernet supported and I'd like to knowI how to get it to recognize the CDrom.  Anyway, a little public thanks for 
 your efforts.    --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:08:56 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) : Subject: Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes2 Message-ID: <sj6zb.9946$LA5.6772@news.cpqcorp.net>  p In article <OFC95FD972.C7B95537-ON85256DF0.005B7451-85256DF0.005C6641@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  I :Why is my Console DTSESSION creating and ending a subprocess every three ) :minutes?  What is it doing/trying to do?   K   I cover what appears to be this topic in the hints and kinks talk -- this G   looks to be the CDE screensaver re-activation loop.  Crank the timer.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:51:07 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>: Subject: Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes( Message-ID: <fkbzb.971$d35.408@edtnps84>   VAXman- wrote:: r > In article <OFC95FD972.C7B95537-ON85256DF0.005B7451-85256DF0.005C6641@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > F > Open the Style Manager and click on the Screen icon.  Check the timeD > setting for the "Time for Background".  If you have only one back-G > ground selected make the time period as L-O-N-G as possible.  I found 4 > this problem myself when CDE was first introduced.  D A little off-topic, but since I have only just recently begun using G DECwindows I tried making the changes you recommend.  On my system the  I "Time Per Background" slider is greyed out and stays that way regardless  F of whether I select Background or Transparent locks.  The rest of the  Screen dialog seems OK.   ) This is DECwindows 1.2-6 on VMS Alpha 7.3   7 Is this behaviour governed by a logical value, perhaps?    Thanks,    Alder    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:53:59 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>: Subject: Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes( Message-ID: <Xmbzb.976$d35.862@edtnps84>   Hoff Hoffman wrote::  r > In article <OFC95FD972.C7B95537-ON85256DF0.005B7451-85256DF0.005C6641@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > M >   I cover what appears to be this topic in the hints and kinks talk -- this   G OK, I'm a clueless newbie.  What is the "Hints and kinks talk" ??  The  
 FAQ, perhaps?    Cheers,  Alder    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:31:51 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton): Subject: Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes0 Message-ID: <rWbzb.402808$Tr4.1159248@attbi_s03>  S In article <Xmbzb.976$d35.862@edtnps84>, Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes:  !Hoff Hoffman wrote::  ! s !> In article <OFC95FD972.C7B95537-ON85256DF0.005B7451-85256DF0.005C6641@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  !>  N !>   I cover what appears to be this topic in the hints and kinks talk -- this ! H !OK, I'm a clueless newbie.  What is the "Hints and kinks talk" ??  The  !FAQ, perhaps?  K Hoff may be too modest to answer, but at every major VMS user gathering, he D presents a talk, usually titled "VMS Hints and Kinks", which detailsK little-known, obscure corners of VMS.  I attended one (as a clueless newbie L :-)) and found out that I didn't know a lot about VMS.  The audience enjoyedL the presentation, though, and it remains one of the more popular segments of the get-togethers.    !  !Cheers, !Alder !   J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:51:53 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> 2 Subject: Re: Error trying to analyse process dump.8 Message-ID: <muqpsvcr78q8u1q7geanc65jbtaitrpveq@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:22:41 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   J >>However, that syntax runs DEBUGSHR, and I see two logicals in the systemM >>table for that.  One super, one exec (fx: sound of blood boiling).  Getting F >>rid of the DEBUGSHR_V72X.EXE version gets it working properly again. >>D >>The confusion seems to be coming from sys$startup:debug$startup orK >>debug$startup__v72x, both of which check for the existence of _v72x.exe - " >>perhaps we should rename this... >  >????? > 3 >These don't appear on my V7.3-1 system anywhere...   K Oh, don't expect me to know their origin either.  Since the debugger became J a separate "product" with all sorts of interim releases (mostly related toI C++ I suspect), I've left all this to other folks to sort out.  We have a F generic startup file which is a heap of if-file-exists-then-execute-itC clauses, and maybe this needs to be reviewed.  I'm guessing someone L installed some 7.2 debugger support at some point and we skipped from 7.1 to3 7.3-1 and maybe neglected to remove a startup line.   J It's still not clear where the CLI message is coming from - set watch file4 tells me I am not invoking debugshr_v72x.exe anyway.   --  : Life is complex: It consists of real and imaginary parts.    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:01:50 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>2 Subject: Re: Error trying to analyse process dump.8 Message-ID: <r66qsv09752l5o8u5cinn0h5n673pbm3as@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:22:41 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   J >>However, that syntax runs DEBUGSHR, and I see two logicals in the systemM >>table for that.  One super, one exec (fx: sound of blood boiling).  Getting F >>rid of the DEBUGSHR_V72X.EXE version gets it working properly again. >>D >>The confusion seems to be coming from sys$startup:debug$startup orK >>debug$startup__v72x, both of which check for the existence of _v72x.exe - " >>perhaps we should rename this... >  >????? > 3 >These don't appear on my V7.3-1 system anywhere...   O I believe this file came from the ADB0xx kit that comes with recent versions of N Alpha Fortran. I happened to have the ALPHA_FORT076kit online, and it containsM savesets ADB074A, .B, and .C, and I found these files in the .C saveset. This I saveset also contains a file called DEBUGSETUP.COM which has a variety of M interesting definitions for DEBUGSHR, which is the image named in the CLD for % ANALYZE /PROCESS on my V7.3-1 system.   M Never having installed or used Fortran newer than V6.3, I don't know any more O than that from this quick look, but perhaps someone familiar with this debugger > support shipped with Fortran V7.x kits (I assume) can tell us.I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2003 11:18:07 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) $ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312021118.3a0a702d@posting.google.com>   + "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:   @ > Since HP doesn't choose to publicize Alpha performance anyway,  : Alphaserver performance was certainly touted in the recent$ Supercomputing TOP500 press release.  B While cost-effectiveness is undoubtedly a factor in HP's choice ofD which benchmarks to run on Alpha systems, your insistence that thereE must be some deep dark conspiracy to hide any Alpha results that turn A out to be stellar doesn't hold water.  From what I've seen, HP is E proud to boast about high performance of any and all of its platforms  whenever it has an opportunity.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:40:00 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>$ Subject: Re: EV79 CANCELED !!!!!!!!!2 Message-ID: <prydnZD05oWx6lCiRVn-uA@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0312021118.3a0a702d@posting.google.com... - > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  > B > > Since HP doesn't choose to publicize Alpha performance anyway, > < > Alphaserver performance was certainly touted in the recent& > Supercomputing TOP500 press release.  H Well, at least it was *mentioned*, but clearly as a second-class citizenF when compared with the Integrity and Superdome products which were the primary focus of the release.    > D > While cost-effectiveness is undoubtedly a factor in HP's choice ofF > which benchmarks to run on Alpha systems, your insistence that thereG > must be some deep dark conspiracy to hide any Alpha results that turn C > out to be stellar doesn't hold water.  From what I've seen, HP is G > proud to boast about high performance of any and all of its platforms ! > whenever it has an opportunity.   K Really?  Could you point us to the press releases that boast about Marvel's G clear SAP SD superiority, then?  How about STREAMS, where Marvel leaves I every other commercial system in the world in the dust?  And then there's K its clearly 'stellar' scalability in large-system SPECfp:  while it doesn't G quite catch up with Itanic (one could hardly expect it to, being a full H process generation behind with a hobbled clock) it comes close enough toE embarrass it - and the same is true to a significant degree even in a K smaller-system configuration in the Oracle Applications Standard Benchmark.   G HP just about pisses its pants whenever Itanic manages to eke out a win I somewhere, and takes care to search out opportunities for such wins where L the top-of-the-line competition hasn't bothered to show up.  By contrast, itL often doesn't even bother to benchmark Alpha when Itanic can carry the water for the company.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:31:04 -0800* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>& Subject: Freeware download corrupt (?)+ Message-ID: <3fcd2ec8$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   I My apologies if this has been reported already, but Google didn't turn up 	 anything.   J Seems to be a wee problem with the GHOSTSCRIPT V8.11 package available viaJ HTTP from the HP Freeware site.  I download it twice with LYnx directly toK my Alpha system to confirm the problem.  During both attempts, the archive, 7 or at least the VAX part of it, coughed up a CRC error:   / ===============================================  $ unzip "-t" GHOSTSCRIPT-V0811. Archive:  DISK$PGM:[GS]GHOSTSCRIPT-V0811.ZIP;1(     testing: freeware_readme.txt      OK3     testing: ghostscript-v0811.pcsi_sfx_axpexe   OK A     testing: ghostscript-v0811.pcsi_sfx_vaxexe   bad CRC c042f859          (should be cd202e5f)H At least one error was detected in DISK$PGM:[GS]GHOSTSCRIPT-V0811.ZIP;1./ ===============================================   I Thinking that perhaps the Alpha kit was unaffected, I extracted only that 1 part ran the install, but ran into the following:   / =============================================== D $ unzip "-V" GHOSTSCRIPT-V0811.zip ghostscript-v0811.pcsi_sfx_axpexe. Archive:  DISK$PGM:[GS]GHOSTSCRIPT-V0811.ZIP;2.   inflating: ghostscript-v0811.pcsi_sfx_axpexe' $ run ghostscript-v0811.pcsi_sfx_axpexe E UnZipSFX 5.41 of 16 April 2000, by Info-ZIP (Zip-Bugs@lists.wku.edu). 6   inflating: freeware-axpvms-ghostscript-v0811--1.pcsi   $ product install *   ( The following product has been selected::     FREEWARE AXPVMS GHOSTSCRIPT V8.11      Layered Product   <snip>  7 The following product will be installed to destination: =     FREEWARE AXPVMS GHOSTSCRIPT V8.11      DISK$NET:[000000.]    Portion done: 0%5 %PCSI-I-PRCOUTPUT, output from subprocess follows ... 8 %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol decc$gxvsnprintf multiply definedA         in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1 7 %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol decc$gxsnprintf multiply defined A         in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1   : %PCSI-E-ASSEMERR, error assembling file [GS.BIN]GS.EXE_AXP" %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedE Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES]   / ===============================================   3 Can anyone replicate this?  Suggest why it happens?    Thanks,  Alder    --J Disclaimer: Any comments made are personal and do not reflect the thoughts or policies of my employer.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:06:48 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) L Subject: Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ?2 Message-ID: <sh6zb.9945$LA5.3965@news.cpqcorp.net>  Z In article <bqifml$bnu$1@rdel.co.uk>, "Andy Baber" <andy.baber@uk.thalesgroup.com> writes: : @ :How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ?  F   You have mentioned "ofstream" in several postings, I will assume youB   meant "stream", and are not referencing an "ofstream" package orB   library or extension; I'm not immediately familiar with anything'   known as or referenced as "ofstream".   E   One- or two-line questions are surprisingly difficult to answer, as G   they can prove quite ambiguous -- I'd encourage providing a few lines F   of related background information, and -- for questions such as thisF   -- the OpenVMS platform and version and the C compiler version.  I'dC   also suggest some example code, depending on what you have tried. H   (The OpenVMS FAQ has some coverage on this topic, and some suggestionsH   on how you can get the answer to the question you had intended to ask.C   Ambiguously-wored or overly-terse questions can certainly receive A   answers, but not necessarily answers to the intended question.)   N   I'm assuming you are using C native I/O to access RMS files and specificallyJ   traditional stream-format RMS file access using C calls, meaning you areJ   largely limited to using C functions to access and control the files, orH   to the C language or C library extensions.  In general, if you want toH   use RMS native semantics, you will generally need to switch over -- atG   least for the purposes of changing the file attributes -- over to RMS G   file access.  There are examples of using RMS from C on the Freeware.   J   If you are creating the file using C RTL calls, you can also use OpenVMSI   C optional arguments (extensions) available on the fopen or the creat() L   call, see the C documentation on these calls for details, and particularlyG   take a look at the C manual specific to using C on OpenVMS; see the C 
   manuals.  I   There is a closely-related operation in the OpenVMS FAQ, discussing how I   to use the optional OpenVMS C keyword extension mechanism to enable RMS I   file sharing.  The mechanism required for setting the record attributes G   is identical, though the RMS keywords involved will obviously differ.   G   Which RMS file attributes are you interested in, and in what context?   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:27:34 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>L Subject: Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ?6 Message-ID: <3FCD4A16.2DD49D4E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Andy Baber wrote:  > A > How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ?   = As other posters have said, it depends on what "ofstream" is.    Can you elucidate?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:11:49 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>L Subject: Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ?2 Message-ID: <ss6dnXvOecYP7VCiRVn-jg@metrocast.net>  0 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message, news:sh6zb.9945$LA5.3965@news.cpqcorp.net...4 > In article <bqifml$bnu$1@rdel.co.uk>, "Andy Baber"' <andy.baber@uk.thalesgroup.com> writes:  > : B > :How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ? > H >   You have mentioned "ofstream" in several postings, I will assume youD >   meant "stream", and are not referencing an "ofstream" package orD >   library or extension; I'm not immediately familiar with anything) >   known as or referenced as "ofstream".e  J If there really are no VMS engineers familiar with C++, you might consider  just using Google to find out...   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:39:17 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Re: HP Gains Share on Supercomputing TOP500 list ) Message-ID: <3FCD0683.A17B5975@istop.com>    Keith Parris wrote: B > installations on the TOP500 list than any other vendor. With itsH > powerful HP Integrity, Superdome and AlphaServer systems, HP increasedD > its share on this exclusive list from its June 2003 showing of 159/ > entries to 165 entries in the November list. h  J By when Alpha and PaRisc dies and HP is left with only IA64, where will it/ stand in those rankings ? I suspect much lower.a  L HP shoudln't be bragging about an artificial blip in its rankings due to theG acquisition of Alpha which Carly has stated she wants to accelerate itsa phasing out.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:40:20 -0600t( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>9 Subject: Re: HP Gains Share on Supercomputing TOP500 listh8 Message-ID: <t2cqsvg5ip3n2a76b9b5ka6ig8rr7b87cu@4ax.com>  G On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:30:49 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:P  ) >OK, I'll bite, where is VMS in all this?  >p  I It is information about HP, the company that owns VMS.  More relevant they0 Opteron vs. Xeon drivel that keeps re-appearing.   >>-----Original Message-----: >>From: Keith Parris [mailto:keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com]+ >>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:38 AMs >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 >>Subject: HP Gains Share on Supercomputing TOP500 listu >> >>; >>http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/031117a.htmlo >>  [snip]   N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold at aurora.orgI Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204nI                                            Pager:          (414) 941-4634nG Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999  3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:28:16 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Re: HP Gains Share on Supercomputing TOP500 list ) Message-ID: <3FCD3C1F.326B80F7@istop.com>x   David Harrold wrote:K > It is information about HP, the company that owns VMS.  More relevant then2 > Opteron vs. Xeon drivel that keeps re-appearing.  K Not "more" relevant. Just as relevant. HP has chosen to prematurely abandonoM certain platforms in favour of an unproven one which used to be denigrated bykL the very same people who are now forced to put a positive spin on the choice of IA64.  H Since HP has chosen to accelerate the widthdrawal of Alpha and since theM future of IA64 is cloudy, discussions of where the market will force Intel totK go are extremely relevant. If Intel is forced to adopt the 8086 as industrysR standard 64 bit chip, then IA64's (and intrinsically VMS') future are in jeoperdy.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:53:34 -0600( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>9 Subject: Re: HP Gains Share on Supercomputing TOP500 list>0 Message-ID: <00A29C9E.D0BBF3A1.23@tachysoft.com>  4 >From: keithparris_NOSPAM=40yahoo.com (Keith Parris) >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms6 >Subject: HP Gains Share on Supercomputing TOP500 list  >Date: 2 Dec 2003 10:38:05 -0800' >Organization: http://groups.google.comg     >N: >http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/031117a.html >I2 >HP powers more supercomputers than any other firm >n? >Representing nearly one-third of the posted sites, HP has moreaA >installations on the TOP500 list than any other vendor. With itsBG >powerful HP Integrity, Superdome and AlphaServer systems, HP increased C >its share on this exclusive list from its June 2003 showing of 159?D >entries to 165 entries in the November list. HP also secured two ofD >the top five spots - No. 2 Los Alamos National Laboratory and No. 5' >Pacific Northwest National Laboratory.s >oH >=22HP Superdome servers represent nearly 25 percent of the TOP500 list,@ >which underscores HP's leadership in high performance technicalG >computing,=22 said Winston Prather, vice president and general managerbF >of the High Performance Technical Computing Division, HP. =22The listA >also reflects the growing momentum of Itanium-based HP IntegritytC >servers, which deliver top performance through innovation built ono >standards.=22 >,J >Supercomputers based on the Intel=AE IA-32 and Itanium=AE 2 architecturesF >made substantial gains on the list, securing a total of 189 spots, anE >increase from 119 in June. Among these were 33 HP systems, includingiG >seven HP Integrity Superdome clusters and the HP rx2600 server clustertC >installed at the Department of Energy's Pacific Northwest NationalsC >Laboratory, the most powerful Itanium 2-based system in the world.a >LG >=22The unique architecture and balance of our HP supercomputer enablesMA >us to address large-scale computational, biological and chemicaleI >sciences with the best time-to-solution of any system we benchmarked,=22mC >said Scott Studham, manager of High-Performance Computing Systems, I >PNNL. =22HP delivered a first-rate system with unprecedented storage, an-F >interconnect that allows processors to communicate in less than threeC >microseconds, and Intel's next-generation Itanium 2 processors.=226 >1B >HP Superdome systems equipped with PA-RISC and Itanium processorsF >accounted for 121 of the company's entries and HP AlphaServer systemsG >represented 18 sites, including the most powerful system in the UnitedkD >States - the AlphaServer-based ASCI Q system at Los Alamos National >Laboratory. >tA >The TOP500 ranking of supercomputers is released twice a year byoD >researchers at the Universities of Tennessee and Mannheim, Germany,C >and at NERSC Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. The list ranksn? >supercomputers worldwide based on the Linpack N*N Benchmark, amE >yardstick of performance that is a reflection of processor speed andc
 >scalability.  >y; >----------------------------------------------------------s > G >(1) The complete listing of TOP500 Supercomputer sites is available atp >http://www.top500.org    J If some of these systems are running vms, great news.  If not, don't care.L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3DL Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne=40tachysof= t.com > http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   =20L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3DL Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): =22Mother always said you were greedy.=227    Mortimer Duke: =22She meant it as a compliment=21=22p   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2003 11:00:54 -0800e1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) H Subject: HP Retains Worldwide Lead in Server Shipments & Retakes US Lead< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312021100.649a168@posting.google.com>  D HP retakes lead in U.S. server shipments, repeats as No. 1 worldwide  C HP solidified its position as the leading global server vendor withn< 29.7 percent of total unit shipments worldwide, according toF preliminary results for the third calendar quarter of 2003 released by( analyst research firm Gartner Dataquest.  , http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/031031/315435_1.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:16:08 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>iL Subject: Re: HP Retains Worldwide Lead in Server Shipments & Retakes US LeadM Message-ID: <cX9zb.124305$Fv8.102867@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>s  C How many and what percentage of those servers were running OpenVMS?r       Keith Parris wrote:nF > HP retakes lead in U.S. server shipments, repeats as No. 1 worldwide > E > HP solidified its position as the leading global server vendor with > > 29.7 percent of total unit shipments worldwide, according toH > preliminary results for the third calendar quarter of 2003 released by* > analyst research firm Gartner Dataquest. >l. > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/031031/315435_1.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:17:52 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>d% Subject: Re: HP's Adaptive EnterprisetL Message-ID: <QY9zb.124312$Fv8.91021@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Keith Parris wrote: 7 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagee' > news:<3FB295D0.E14EFEC9@istop.com>...i >> John Smith wrote:3 >>> Just wondering how much of it will include VMS.  >>G >> During the May presentation, VMS was excluded. So don't expect it tos+ >> magically become part of this initiative  > > > Actually, VMS _will_ be included in HP's Adaptive Enterprise > initiative going forward.- > D > When you think about it, VMS has technologies that are some of theF > best-suited in the entire industry to actually achieve the vision ofC > the Adaptive Enterprise in the real world.  For example, shiftingwG > system resources around between different environments dynamically as G > workload and demand shifts is a piece of cake for VMS Clusters and/orR	 > Galaxy.<    + So Keith, where are the ads that tout this?n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:36:22 -0500 : From: Gunther Schadow <gschadowREMOVETHIS@regenstrief.org>. Subject: HSJ50/HSZ50 RAID Configuration Puzzle0 Message-ID: <bqj0l2$inh$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu>  D Hi, is it possible to use different sized disks together in the sameB RAID set on an HSJ or HSZ controller? I suppose no, except if the D drives have stripes of the same size then I can combine stripes into the same RAID set, right?   @ Now the million dollar question: can you hot-swap a small drive A within a RAID set with a large drive that you then stripe to the v4 same size as the other small drives in the RAID set?  C We need to consolidate disks and have lots of RZ29Bs at just 4.3 GBm> but we want to swap in 36.4 GB drives instead. Our drives are  currently not striped at all.   # I thought I might do the following:   @ (1) Pull a RZ29B out of the shelve, RAID 5 will protect all dataA (2) Add a big drive into that slot, configure it with stripes anddC     add one stripe as a replacement for the "failed" disk into the  C     RAID set. Then that stripe will be assimilated and data copied n.     over automatically by the RAID controller.. (3) Loop to (1) until all drives are replaced.  B Has anyone done something like that before? The problem is I can'tA try it because I don't have a spare controller with RAID 5 optionC@ available. So I'd need to know if it can be done before I start.   thanks,  -Gunther   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:34:00 -0600% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>i2 Subject: Re: HSJ50/HSZ50 RAID Configuration Puzzle: Message-ID: <j4bzb.109367$M02.65143@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   Gunther:  K Sorry, but you can not do what you are wanting to do.  The old HSJ's do notaK support dynamic LUN expansion which is what you want to do.  You can swap aeK larger sized drive for a smaller drive in a raidset (Autospare) but it willSC only give you the storage capacity of the original smaller spindle.t  L Note: depending on the shelf backplane that you have, you may not be able toH use the 36GB disks.  I have an old CI cluster that has 4 HSJ's running 9L shelves of drives.  When I re-built/reconfigured those drives, I was able toH swap 36's for 9's (Blue Bricks), but I was unable to replace the old 4'sI (green bricks) with 9's, 18, or 36's. (Blue Bricks)   When I asked CompaqaH about this, they told me that the shelf backplane determined if it would8 accept the SCSI 3 drives, or if it would only do SCSI-2.      E Gunther Schadow <gschadowREMOVETHIS@regenstrief.org> wrote in messagee* news:bqj0l2$inh$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...F > Hi, is it possible to use different sized disks together in the sameC > RAID set on an HSJ or HSZ controller? I suppose no, except if thesF > drives have stripes of the same size then I can combine stripes into > the same RAID set, right?s >uA > Now the million dollar question: can you hot-swap a small drivebB > within a RAID set with a large drive that you then stripe to the6 > same size as the other small drives in the RAID set? >oE > We need to consolidate disks and have lots of RZ29Bs at just 4.3 GB"? > but we want to swap in 36.4 GB drives instead. Our drives ared > currently not striped at all.l >p% > I thought I might do the following:/ >/B > (1) Pull a RZ29B out of the shelve, RAID 5 will protect all dataC > (2) Add a big drive into that slot, configure it with stripes andDD >     add one stripe as a replacement for the "failed" disk into theD >     RAID set. Then that stripe will be assimilated and data copied0 >     over automatically by the RAID controller.0 > (3) Loop to (1) until all drives are replaced. >tD > Has anyone done something like that before? The problem is I can'tC > try it because I don't have a spare controller with RAID 5 option-B > available. So I'd need to know if it can be done before I start. >t	 > thanks,a
 > -Gunther >: >s   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2003 19:01:45 -0800n1 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer)  Subject: lib$spawn output-file= Message-ID: <477e0934.0312021901.3a566094@posting.google.com>r  E Is it possible to use the output file parameter (the third parameter)eB to lib$spawn in order to capture the output of the spawned process5 WITHOUT creating/reading/destroying a temporary file?s  " I am calling lib$spawn from C/C++.   Thanks  
 joshua lehrero factset research systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:09:04 -0500t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Re: lib$spawn output-file) Message-ID: <3FCD61C5.F4B37CFF@istop.com>-   Joshua Lehrer wrote: > G > Is it possible to use the output file parameter (the third parameter)jD > to lib$spawn in order to capture the output of the spawned process7 > WITHOUT creating/reading/destroying a temporary file?4   Yes, it is possible.  K You use SYS$CREMBX to create a mailbox device from the C program.  Give the9N CREMBX  a logical name. It will define that logical name to point to an deviceM name and assign a channel to it for the parent process. Then, you supply thateL same logical name to LIB$SPAWN as input and/or output. Make sure you set the. "NOWAIT" bit to LIB$SPAWN 's options argument.  M Then, you use SYS$QIO to the mailbox channel to read/write to the subprocess.r  H If you do not give a command procedure to LIB$SPAWN and only give it theL mailbox name as input/output, your subprocess will essentrially give you a $J sign where you can write any DCL command to the mailbox and the subprocessF will exscute it and return to the $ sign. This allows you to reuse theL subprocess, thus reducing overhead of subprocess creation. However, it makesL it harder to detect when a command has actually finished sending its output.  K If you give a command to execute, the subprocess will terminate when it hashG completed its command and your mailbox will get an end-of-file message.m  M In your main process, after the subprocess starts executing its commands, youeF need to ensure the parent process will continuously read data from theC mailbox, otherwise the subprocess will go into RWMBX state, waiting-G indefonitely for someone to read from the mailbox to empty its buffers.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:44:58 GMTy/ From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com>.A Subject: Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid!-9 Message-ID: <K45zb.161034$ji3.90752@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:  
 Check for:  7 OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_SYS-V0400-4.PCSIh4 OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 DEC-AXPVMS-VMS73_SYS-V0700-4.PCSI7 OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-2 DEC-AXPVMS-VMS722_SYS-V0200-4.PCSIn  J The V7.3-1 kit may have been pulled as there's a problem with it.  A newer) version is supposed to be available soon.-   -Jeffu  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEEKIJAA.tom@kednos.com...m; > I am having difficulty locating those ECO's on HP's site.o > Any pointers?- >- > >-----Original Message-----p7 > >From: Jeff Goodwin [mailto:jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com]-+ > >Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:54 AM  > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComD > >Subject: Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid! > >e > >eH > >Rock solid may not be an appropriate description.  Perhaps you should checka= > >out the latest Alpha SYS ECOs for V7.2-2, V7.3 and V7.3-1.4 > >s8 > >"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message: > >news:d7791aa1.0312020824.294ed988@posting.google.com...3 > >> the linux/slowaris/unix cert counters continuen$ > >> to increase at a rapid pace ... > >>. > >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12970 > >o > >m > >---) > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.f= > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).nD > >Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003 > >e > ---r( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003n >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:01:35 GMT,F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)1 Subject: Re: Memory Error on Alphastation 255/233D2 Message-ID: <zc6zb.9944$9G5.6936@news.cpqcorp.net>  e In article <bqimmk$23km2t$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes:n >tL >If this is a hobbyist machine or a system without a maintenance contract (I, >guess warranty is long gone on 255's) then: >- remove the coveri >- locate the memory@ >- remove the memory and clean the contacts with a pencil eraser   NEVER do this.  E This is a bit of misinformation that has been around for decades, and-? it has always been wrong.  You might clean some dirt off of theaC contacts, but you might also take off the plating.  A pencil erasers? is not meant to clean electrical contacts, and may leave debris4< (such as little pieces of rubber) that will make the contact situation worse.  < Get a proper electrical contact cleaner (usually liquid in a? bottle or a spray can).  I'm not going to endorse a brand here,c> but there are several good ones.  sci.electronics.repair might, be a good place to look for recommendations.   >- clean the machine itselfu  D Not a bad idea if you do it properly, but you have to be careful you> don't blow dust into a worse place than it is now, or generate= excessive static electricity (which many vacuum cleaners willa do).  L >- put the memory back in place (if there's more than one, you might want to >put in one pair at the time)dM >I do not know how sensitive this memory is for static electricity; make suren >you're grounded.m  @ You should always wear a proper grounding strap connected to theD equipment.  Just grounding yourself might not be enough.  A grounded> anti-static mat to put the parts on is also a good idea if you want to be safe.  ? Often you can get away with not using the strap, but you always % risk damaging something if you don't.    --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have aa5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.1   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:04:47 -0700. From: "Dave Glarborg" <glarborg@ix.netcom.com>+ Subject: Need DECW$SERVER_DDX_ATIMACH32.EXEn0 Message-ID: <XeCdnae2a7emSVGiRVn-vg@comcast.com>  J Hi.  I just re-activated a long-dormant AS2100 4/200.  Loaded up VMS V7.3.G The video device is an ATI Mach32.  The decwindows startup procedure isbJ defining  "DECW$SERVER_DDX_GQ" = "DECW$SERVER_DDX_ATIMACH32" but this fileI does not exist (should be in sys$library).  Any idea where I might obtaine
 this file?   Thanks,e
 Dave Glarborgh   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 21:35:52 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: Need DECW$SERVER_DDX_ATIMACH32.EXEr2 Message-ID: <YA7zb.77530$361.41499@news.chello.at>  a In article <XeCdnae2a7emSVGiRVn-vg@comcast.com>, "Dave Glarborg" <glarborg@ix.netcom.com> writes:oK >Hi.  I just re-activated a long-dormant AS2100 4/200.  Loaded up VMS V7.3. H >The video device is an ATI Mach32.  The decwindows startup procedure isK >defining  "DECW$SERVER_DDX_GQ" = "DECW$SERVER_DDX_ATIMACH32" but this fileaJ >does not exist (should be in sys$library).  Any idea where I might obtain >this file?d  B Are you sure this card ever worked with OpenVMS ? I only know of a  ( 	SYS$SHARE:DECW$SERVER_DDX_ATIMACH64.EXE  J Maybe you rename/copy this file to the other name and see what crashes ;-)   -- o Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERs% Network and OpenVMS system specialistm E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:21:47 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>> Subject: Re: New maynagement software Nimbus also for OpenVMS?8 Message-ID: <t1mpsvg5hm78618pm4bss7aedormmlno7h@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:02:13 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy,. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote:    >> l >e9 >Don't be an A*SE it was a joke of course there are other3 >sources for the word Nimbus.i  K Considering the lack of "smiley", and considering the source, it appears ash& just another, typical Andrew response.  % I apologize for the misunderstanding.e   --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:26:35 GMT % From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>n( Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 V8.0 test drive3 Message-ID: <slrnbsr0gr.6rl.rivie@Stench.no.domain>i  F In article <CY1zb.9908$Cd5.1701@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer wrote:K > There's a new O/S baselevel on the Itanium system and 2 NATIVE compilers!- >  > HP OpenVMS XA2T-J2Sh > HP I64VMS C T7.0-2.  > HP I64VMS COBOL T2.8-1340. > K > If you already have a user account, login to 192.233.54.183 and check it   > out.  7 I see there's still no FORSYSDEF for the XF90 compiler.-   --  
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net <input type crash>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:00:59 -0500j* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>: Subject: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software) Message-ID: <3FCD35BC.836E30AC@istop.com>   / Unfortunatly, this is NOT an April Fool's joke.m  C http://wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,61412,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6e   ##H Cars with the Microsoft software will speak up when it's time for an oilE change. They'll warn drivers about wrecks on the road ahead and scoutsM alternative routes. They'll pay freeway tolls automatically. ****The softwareh8 running their brakes will upgrade itself wirelessly ****  K The Microsoft platform already is in 23 different car models, including thedM BMW 7 series, Citroen, Daimler, Fiat, Volvo, Hyundai,  Mitsubishi, Subaru and- Toyota.  ##   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:32:25 -0600.@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>> Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software6 Message-ID: <3FCD4B39.569736ED@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   JF Mezei wrote:o > 1 > Unfortunatly, this is NOT an April Fool's joke.o > E > http://wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,61412,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6, >  > ##J > Cars with the Microsoft software will speak up when it's time for an oilG > change. They'll warn drivers about wrecks on the road ahead and scout O > alternative routes. They'll pay freeway tolls automatically. ****The softwareh: > running their brakes will upgrade itself wirelessly **** > M > The Microsoft platform already is in 23 different car models, including the O > BMW 7 series, Citroen, Daimler, Fiat, Volvo, Hyundai,  Mitsubishi, Subaru andr	 > Toyota.  > ##  ? so, when accidents result from spontaneous crashes, viruses andoF what-have-you, M$ will face the liability suits. Great news. Their end is near!   -- l David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:16:33 -0800m/ From: Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> > Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software/ Message-ID: <vsqotjqho9tl61@corp.supernews.com>c   JF Mezei wrote:e1 > Unfortunatly, this is NOT an April Fool's joke.n > E > http://wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,61412,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6m >  > ##J > Cars with the Microsoft software will speak up when it's time for an oilG > change. They'll warn drivers about wrecks on the road ahead and scouteO > alternative routes. They'll pay freeway tolls automatically. ****The softwarep: > running their brakes will upgrade itself wirelessly **** > M > The Microsoft platform already is in 23 different car models, including thenO > BMW 7 series, Citroen, Daimler, Fiat, Volvo, Hyundai,  Mitsubishi, Subaru and-
 > Toyota.  > ##  A But not at the level discussed in the paragraph you've quoted. MyN@ understanding is that the much-maligned iDrive system in BMWs is> build on a derivative of Windows CE. It controls the radio andA ventilation and other secondary functions. It *will* remind about D oil changes, but BMWs have had that for years without Microsoft 8^).5 The other stuff mentioned is vaporware at this point.t  0 btw I understand that Audis run Linux - no joke.   - Greg --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:38:36 -0500=* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>> Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software) Message-ID: <3FCD76BC.8559BAEF@istop.com>K   Greg Cagle wrote:cB > understanding is that the much-maligned iDrive system in BMWs is& > build on a derivative of Windows CE.2 > btw I understand that Audis run Linux - no joke.  M How do these systems manage to run for so long without any system maintenance= or reboot ?   2 Do they run 24/7 or boot when you start your car ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:17:45 -0800 / From: Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> > Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software/ Message-ID: <vsr00bb19d87c5@corp.supernews.com>Z   JF Mezei wrote:g > Greg Cagle wrote:_ > B >>understanding is that the much-maligned iDrive system in BMWs is& >>build on a derivative of Windows CE.2 >>btw I understand that Audis run Linux - no joke. >  > O > How do these systems manage to run for so long without any system maintenance 
 > or reboot ?  > 4 > Do they run 24/7 or boot when you start your car ?  ( I don't know the details, unfortunately.   --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:20:21 -0500s* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: OT: Opteron vs. Xeon - could the same hold true for Opteron vs. IA64? IA64?IC) Message-ID: <3FCD0214.9D1D5144@istop.com>x   John Smith wrote:i > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12957[  M Big question is whether Intel willingly let its 8086 lag a bit behind so thatA its IA64 wouldn't look so bad.  L But if that causes AMD to gain in market share, at one point Intel will haveK to put the pedal to the metal on its 8086 line, at which point IA64 may noti know what hit it.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:46:08 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: OT: What's next for HP?M Message-ID: <Afbzb.124469$Fv8.122144@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>f  4 Any bets as to which OS the servers will be running?    L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=569&ncid=738&e=1&u=/nm/20031  202/tc_nm/tech_hewlettpackard_dc  . HP to Launch Music Store, Digital Music Player Tue Dec 2, 3:25 PM ETi    K NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hewlett-Packard Co., one of several computer companiesoK pushing into the consumer electronics market, plans to launch an HP-brandedsG online music store in the first quarter, most likely at a January tradet& show, an HP executive said on Tuesday.  J The music service will be run in conjunction with an existing service likeI Musicmatch.com and compete with music stores from Apple Computer Inc. andbG Dell Inc., HPShopping.com chief executive officer Peter Appl said in ann
 interview.  G Following the planned launch of the service at the Consumer Electronics K Show, HP expects to unveil a digital music player, Appl said. Appl said thewK company had not yet decided the exact design of the product, adding that HP H wants to be sure to set its digital music player apart from competitors.  I HP, which is the second largest personal computer maker, behind Dell, *is K one of several computers makers including Dell and Gateway that aim to sell A more consumer electronics products as sales of PCs have matured.*   K HP also plans to introduce a large screen, LCD flat panel television at theg% consumer electronics show, Appl said.f  > "That will be a key component in the digital home," Appl said.    9 ---------------------------------------------------------   C Pretty soon there will be HP-branded toasters, irons, and carly(tm) L autograph model curling irons. All of which will be advertised. Unlike other HP products.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 21:29:01 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: OT: What's next for HP?) Message-ID: <3FCD4A59.888A8405@istop.com>    John Smith wrote:uE > Pretty soon there will be HP-branded toasters, irons, and carly(tm)t! > autograph model curling irons. n  L LOL. I can just imagine the Fiorina line of female personal beauty products,I with marketing pitching thsoe products to ambitious female executives. Ofe+ course,  all powered by microsoft software.g  M And then, there will be the Blackmore line of personal grooming products withuM microsoft powered shavers that will require regular refill with HP cartridgesuI and will work with only a proprietary HP shaving gel.  The shaver will be-J equipped with wireless and camera and will interface with the internet andK PDAs. And then, there will be the HP nose hair trimmer. It will be equipped-L with BlueTooth and will require a HP PC running Microsoft Windows to provideN the user interface to control the nose hair trimmer. (the trimmer itself won't have any buttons).  W A long long long way from the Hewlett Packard line of high quality scientific products.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 21:16:10 -0600I5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info>.+ Subject: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcampm: Message-ID: <bqjki0$22vgp5$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>   Hello,  K I've finally managed to put the pictures from the bootcamp up on my server.   @ All the stuff: http://zinser.no-ip.info/vms/fun/bc2003-pic.htmlx  H A cov/Info-VAX selection: http://zinser.no-ip.info/vms/fun/cov-pic.htmlx    I # The various pictures I took during the OpenVMS bootcamp show "private" lG             persons in the sense, that they all do have full rights on  H their own pictures. Since all of the pictures are pretty harmless, I do H operate on the principle, that it is easier to ask for forgiveness than < for permission and have made them available on this website.I In case anybody of the depicted persons does have objections about being  E shown here in general or a particular picture of him/herself, please  1 drop me a note and I shall remove the image asap.sI # On the other hand I know that a number of the victims of my camera run fH their own business. If you want your name linked to an email address or A company website, please inform me and I will try to arrange that.eH # I am grateful for any corrections concerning names, job functions etc.! # These are "Open" pictures, i.e.i  D     1. For your private use you can do whatever you want with these I pictures as long as you do not interfere with the personal rights of the h depicted persons.nG     2. If anybody does contemplate using them in a commercial setting, sA you are welcome to do so at no charge. I do ask you to include a  I copyright notice with the picture and would appreciate information about c
 the usage.E     3. There is no warranty whatsoever concerning the quality of the r? pictures. If you do not like them, just look somewhere else ;-)a  F # Since each of the fullsized pictures is about 1 MB size, or because > you just like papercopies better, here are two offers for you:  F     1. Papercopies of the pictures are available at 0.50 USD per copy.3     2. A CD with all the pictures will be 4.50 USD.n  I A flat shipping and handling charge of 0.50/1.00 USD (US vs. rest of the 0D world) applies per order. Payment method will be determined in case  anybody takes me up on this ;-)s   Greetings, Martins   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:22:13 -0500,* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcampt) Message-ID: <3FCD64DA.AA6844D9@istop.com>o   X-No-Archive: Yesn   "Martin P.J. Zinser" wrote: B > All the stuff: http://zinser.no-ip.info/vms/fun/bc2003-pic.htmlx    Nice to put faces to some names.  M However, please change the nickname you have assigned to faces you don't havei? a name for. The name you have chosen has very bad connotations.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2003 13:38:20 -0800 - From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva).% Subject: Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS.= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0312021338.359cc82d@posting.google.com>d  Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<bqhq7c$eck$1@lore.csc.com>...6 > Shiva MahaDeva wrote:  > > H > > I need send a RBF file from VAX-VMS to WNT. I issue the command: (in	 > > WNT):  > > C > > but when I send this RBF file to VMS system (with put command),  > > restoring the file with-+ > > RMU/RESTORE command I get this message:  > > software header CRC error.D > > My question: Is there any way to send RBF files from WNT to VMS,; > > and get data integrity ? Whats wrong in this process ?  > . > <cynic mode>Using a WNT system.</cynic mode> > F > OK, the issue is that the file format has been lost. Without beatingF > about the bush, you need to do a ANAL/RMS_FILE/FDL on an RBF file onJ > your VMS system which has NOT been adulterated by any file transfers. If > necessary, create one. > D > Then, use CONVERT/FDL=the-name-of-the-fld-file FTPSOURCEFROMNT.EXT > correctectfile.RBF > C > This *should* work providing that the file has not otherwise beenu > interfered with. > 1 > Details in HELP ANAL/RMS_FILE and HELP CONVERT.t    I It doesnt work, Im receiving "software header CRC error" message again.   > What could I do to use my WNT like a storage to my RBF files ?  	 Thanks...d   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:03:22 GMT6# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)f% Subject: Re: RBF file from WNT to VMSS2 Message-ID: <_S8zb.9973$aY5.9193@news.cpqcorp.net>  X In article <0E8zb.9967$EW5.6278@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:I :  If you really want to persist with what can easily be a more difficultDG :  approach, use the OpenVMS zip tool to create a zip archive (with the C :  "-v" options, quotes are REQUIRED) and place the file on storageI ..  ;   "My bad."  Use "-V".  Capital V.  Not "-v".  Lowercase v.t  "   The quotes (still) are required.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqiN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:29:00 -0500N* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: Re: RBF file from WNT to VMSh) Message-ID: <3FCD1226.D5825EC6@istop.com>d   Shiva MahaDeva wrote:e@ > What could I do to use my WNT like a storage to my RBF files ?  N IMAGE FTP file transfers (I think microsoft may call it binary), result in VMSG creating the received file as a 512 fixed block file no matter what itst original contents were.e  H The raw contents may be the same, but because the file is defined with aK different structure, applications may actually read different data from it.sL (for instance, if the file is defined as having CRLF as line terminator, theI combination of RMS and the C RTL will make a C programm see only a single , newline character at the end of each record.  N There was a utility called FILE which predated the SET FILE/ATTRIBUTE command.N It allowed you to extract all of the attributes of a file, store it in a file,. and then later reapply those atrributes to it.  " Perhaps that is what you could do.  F Also, some FTP programs on VMS have the ability to transfer a VMS fileN complete with all its attributes to another machine (sometimes it is automaticN when it detects the remote machine is also VMS but some FTP programs allow you to force this).e  K The Windows machine would get a file with added strutures at the top fo thenM file, which would render it useless on windows, but which would result in the11 file being properly recreated on the VMS machine.t  D If you are using the TCPIP Services software in VMS, you may wish to experiment with the logicals:1  S TCPIP$FTP_RAW_BINARY With this logical name turned on, FTP transfers files in blocka= I/O mode if the server and client are in binary (image) mode.e: To activate this feature, define the logical name as TRUE.; An FTP end-user can override your FALSE definition with them FTP PUT /RAW command.S   as well as:eO TCPIP$FTP_CONVERT_FILE Define this logical name as TRUE or FALSE. If defined asLA TRUE, the FTP server converts files to variable with fixed-lengthc7 control (VFC) formatted files before transfer. With the-; VFC file, users retain the Record Management Services (RMS)); formatting information of their files. For more informationb: about RMS, refer to the OpenVMS Record Management Services Reference Manual.r7 If TCPIP$FTP_CONVERT_FILE is defined as FALSE, there is3? no conversion, and RMS formatting information is lost after the3 file transfer.      J I have not tested nor experimented with the above two logicals though. TheI TCPIP services management manual is available online at the VMS web site h. (I think it is at http://www.hp.com/go/openvms   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:56:17 -0500l& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>% Subject: Re: RBF file from WNT to VMSD8 Message-ID: <ir5qsv44t1o6r46dk3g6412o5sn27vtari@4ax.com>  L On 2 Dec 2003 13:38:20 -0800, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) wrote:  J >It doesnt work, Im receiving "software header CRC error" message again. >r? >What could I do to use my WNT like a storage to my RBF files ?i >s
 >Thanks...  L The only way to guarantee it will work is to ZIP the files on the VMS systemL with their VMS file attributes, FTP (or COPY) them to the WNT system using aM binary file transfer. ZIP will "hide" the VMS characteristics within the .ZIP0O file, and you can then move them back to the VMS system in the future and UNZIP O them and use them. I use this technique with a variety of VMS file formats, andd/ it will work with any format, as far as I know.r  H You will need a VMS version of ZIP and UNZIP which can preserve VMS file5 attributes. The ones I am using were downloaded from:s  9 	http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?ZIP- and-; 	http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?UNZIPm  P I use Reflections FTP in BINARY mode to move the files between my VMS system andM my PC (running Windows 2000). I also use this technique at home to move filesrO between my VMS system and a Gateway PC running Windows XP Professional. Be surer. to use the /VMS (or "-V") option when you ZIP.I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com7I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)uI -------------------------------------------------------------------------f   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:23:33 GMTl4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)% Subject: Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS"+ Message-ID: <V99zb.7216$_M.28674@attbi_s54>e  X In article <0E8zb.9967$EW5.6278@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: !snip!J !  If you want to store OpenVMS files and maintain the record and the file, !  attributes, store the files on OpenVMS.   !mI !  If you really want to persist with what can easily be a more difficultrG !  approach, use the OpenVMS zip tool to create a zip archive (with thegC !  "-v" options, quotes are REQUIRED) and place the file on storage H !  elsewhere.  Do not unpack, manipulate, or repack the files within the) !  zip archive on a non-OpenVMS platform.e !h  O Sorry to butt in here, but if one is creating a zip archive, and wishes to savesK the VMS file attributes, one should use "-V", instead of "-v" (from the zip  on-line help):  ) -v   verbose operation/print version infom "-V"  save VMS file attributes    , !  Zip is available on the OpenVMS Freeware. ! + !    http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/h !t !snip!  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"cK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' .0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:47:24 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)h% Subject: Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS 2 Message-ID: <0E8zb.9967$EW5.6278@news.cpqcorp.net>  m In article <ddf392ea.0312021338.359cc82d@posting.google.com>, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) writes:hZ :Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<bqhq7c$eck$1@lore.csc.com>... :> Shiva MahaDeva wrote: :> > 9I :> > I need send a RBF file from VAX-VMS to WNT. I issue the command: (ine
 :> > WNT):  D   Based on commands cited here, I will assume the RBF files here are%   an Oracle Rdb database backup file.5  D :> > but when I send this RBF file to VMS system (with put command), :> > restoring the file with, :> > RMU/RESTORE command I get this message: :> > software header CRC error.t  H   This implies either a file structure corruption, or a file corruption.  E :> > My question: Is there any way to send RBF files from WNT to VMS,a< :> > and get data integrity ? Whats wrong in this process ? :>/ :> <cynic mode>Using a WNT system.</cynic mode>t  @   Using mixed environments can and does play havoc with file andC   record attributes on occasion -- even sequential ASCII text files-(   are not always exactly what they seem.  G :> OK, the issue is that the file format has been lost. Without beatinggG :> about the bush, you need to do a ANAL/RMS_FILE/FDL on an RBF file on>H :> your VMS system which has NOT been adulterated by any file transfers. :> If necessary, create one. :>  E :> Then, use CONVERT/FDL=the-name-of-the-fld-file FTPSOURCEFROMNT.EXTz :> correctectfile.RBFd :> iD :> This *should* work providing that the file has not otherwise been :> interfered with.a :> s2 :> Details in HELP ANAL/RMS_FILE and HELP CONVERT. ..J :It doesn't work, I'm receiving "software header CRC error" message again.  D   Please permanently expunge this "it doesn't work" phrase from your   vocabulary.  i     (Thanks!)   F   In place of this phrase, please provide the commands used, the exactF   and full text of any error messages received, and supporting detailsB   such as the OpenVMS version.  (Any problem report -- and the "itG   doesn't work" phrase being central among the more problematic problem H   reports -- that can be answered by a generic "is it plugged in?" lacks$   sufficient details for an answer.)  ? :What could I do to use my WNT like a storage to my RBF files ?i  G   Don't.  Seriously.  You are approaching this in a way that can, will,    and has caused problems. f  I   If you want to store OpenVMS files and maintain the record and the file +   attributes, store the files on OpenVMS.  u  H   If you really want to persist with what can easily be a more difficultF   approach, use the OpenVMS zip tool to create a zip archive (with theB   "-v" options, quotes are REQUIRED) and place the file on storageG   elsewhere.  Do not unpack, manipulate, or repack the files within thed(   zip archive on a non-OpenVMS platform.  +   Zip is available on the OpenVMS Freeware.   *     http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/  H   The other common transfer- or storage-related fault here involves the J   FTP file transfer mode and particularly the FTP command, as an incorrectL   FTP transfer mode -- binary or ASCII -- can also lead to file corruptions.I   (Remember tjat providing the exact commands used can be quite importantrI   in receiving an appropriate answer?  This potential errant FTP transferrK   mode possibility is a salient example of why I regularly ask for specific5F   commands and specific details and specific examples, too, but you've1   undoubtedly recognized that possibility now...)-  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq7N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comu   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:52:31 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files-$ Message-ID: <bqiu2f$tuq$1@online.de>  @ In article <bqi132$235gee$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John% Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes:    I > > > I've never actually experienced the situation.  If I have page/swaptM > > > files on both the system disk and another disk, and the other disk goes # > > > down, will it crash the node?p > >sL > > My GUESS is that it would freeze processes which are mapped to that page > file1 > > the minute they try to write or read from it.t > K > Take it from me, it will crash - Sorry, we just lost that data you put ine > the pagefile...i > 5 > I have seen enough of these over the years to know.   F I can see why the PROCESS would crash; is it technically necessary to  crash the SYSTEM?s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:30:16 -0500$* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday) Message-ID: <3FCD0466.76A42611@istop.com>n   jlsue wrote:K > They committed to develop EV7 and a speedup, with the plan being what wasc! > currently on the table as EV79.o  L The problem is that EV7z isn't a "speedup" and they aren't developping EV7z.N They have admitted that EV7's current speed wasn't the best possible speed andT that they will allow EV7 to run at its originally intended speed and call that EV7z.  - They aren't exactly *developping* a speedup. n  M HP/Compaq must have paid the Alpha engineers a huge wad of money to keep themmK silent on the issue, especially since they were donated as slaves to Intel.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:35:31 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday) Message-ID: <3FCD05A1.272B0512@istop.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:? > And as we know that planned porting excercise was dropped andr< > subsequently the plan to incorporate Tru64 technology into< > HP-UX has also slipped (could resourcing be at the root of > the problem).     E My guess is that the Tru64 to HP-UX "porting" will slowly shrink intonB oblivion. HP/Compaq tought they could sell the idea to support theH merger/takeover, but once the engineers started to look at the technicalN issues, they may have realised the project was much bigger than the managementK were ready to pay for. (consider endianness and the IP stack for instance).L  L What is more likely to happen is that the HP-UX will only inspire themselves8 from Tru64 to implement some of the Tru64 functionality.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:09:29 -0800m/ From: Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday/ Message-ID: <vsq3dc8fj9kn55@corp.supernews.com>c   JF Mezei wrote:a* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > ? >>And as we know that planned porting excercise was dropped and3< >>subsequently the plan to incorporate Tru64 technology into< >>HP-UX has also slipped (could resourcing be at the root of >>the problem).n >  >  > G > My guess is that the Tru64 to HP-UX "porting" will slowly shrink into D > oblivion. HP/Compaq tought they could sell the idea to support theJ > merger/takeover, but once the engineers started to look at the technicalP > issues, they may have realised the project was much bigger than the managementM > were ready to pay for. (consider endianness and the IP stack for instance).c > N > What is more likely to happen is that the HP-UX will only inspire themselves: > from Tru64 to implement some of the Tru64 functionality.  G "hp" has demonstrated a two-node TruCluster configuration on HP-UX, andsH has also mounted and booted AdvFS file system on HP-UX. This leads me toB believe that your concerns about "endianness" and the IP stack areC misplaced. You may, however, be right about the size of the projectr being an issue."   - Greg -- z
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:35:17 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>rB Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected MondayL Message-ID: <9dazb.124371$Fv8.68488@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   jlsue wrote:H > On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:48:57 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >n >> jlsue wrote: 0 >>> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:04:32 -0500, JF Mezei& >>> <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: >>>a >lF >>> Please be careful to separate fact from opinion.  This may be yourD >>> view, but it certainly isn't based on anything supported by real >>> facts available. >> >>C >> That you and I may not have *access* to that information - if itnE >> exists - should not get in the way of inferences which can be madetE >> based on public facts. I'd bet $100 that JF is closer to the truthi1 >> in his statement than you give him credit for.  > C > It's strange to challenge something that is virtually unprovable. B > Why even offer a bet that will most likely never be collected by > either side? > > >>>> HP doesn't care about VMS or Tru64, its core business areF >>>> printer/ink cartridges, followed by wintel to help its freinds atG >>>> microsoft and intel. So HP doesn't car about losing VMS custoemrs.m >>>oA >>> From some recent business reports, it appears that OpenVMS isi >>> experiencing some growth.  >> >>G >> I'd wager $100 that the sales you are hearing about don't come closeoC >> to the same number of VMS 'decommissions' that took place in thesC >> same timeframe - either on a *new* customer basis or an existing E >> customer adding gear vs. the number of customers who have left VMSs$ >> or the number of systems retired. >> >eG > Well, first you'd have to magically calculate the number that "would" = > have occured during that time - which isn't really possiblemD > considering the huge business downturn in almost all businesses atF > the time (especially the tech-hungry internet businesses) during the > .com bust. >tF > Then, you'd also have to take into account future business that willH > (hopefully) increase once the IA64 architecture systems come into full& > swing with OpenVMS and applications. >iC > We can't possibly know this for another 2-3 years, minimum, imho.e     AH so Grasshopper.H Just when will all those IA64/VMS applications from ISV's reach critical8 mass to kick the sales growth up, he asked rhetorically?  K But as those within and without HP are fond of saying, 'VMS is VMS is VMS'.,  J So what's the harm of advertising VMS TODAY and making VMS sales TODAY and increasing revenues TODAY?  L By the time another 3 years roll around, your rosy IA64 predictions may comeJ true and then customers who bought TODAY could have a natural end-of-leaseK migration point to IA64 when the apps they use today are fully available on0	 IA64/VMS.u  J But will the existing customer base stick around for another 3 years? WillH enough new customers be added between now and then to keep the installed3 base of VMS systems at 411,000 for another 3 years?r  I As you said, "We can't possibly know this for another 2-3 years, minimum,eD imho." But effective advertising of VMS TODAY would help improve the4 probability that VMS will be around in 3 more years.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:18:10 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday2 Message-ID: <9NKdnXaD056T71CiRVn-ig@metrocast.net>  3 "jlsue" <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> wrote in messager2 news:e0apsvg1qs4uc1r3v1mpo826h7onfgu130@4ax.com...J > On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:01:42 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> > wrote:   ...n  I > >If you're really trying to understand, you're clearly incompetent.  IfsJ > >you're not actually having such difficulty understanding, you're a liar (and > >a shill as well). > >w >aK > Ah well.  In the wonder universe of Bill Todd, everyone who doesn't agreen& > with him is incompetent, lying, etc.  G What a grandiose generalization - to assume that just because *you* arelE incompetent (or worse) then *everyone* who disagrees with me must be.   L But you have managed to make it clear that you're not worth wasting any more time on.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:53:37 GMT-6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: SWXCR configuration> Message-ID: <Bmbzb.64399$iP5.23228@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>  J This may be a SCSI termination issue.  If you see all the disks, but get aA failure when I/O is started take a look at the SCSI cabling.  The L AlphaServer 1000 had several configuration options.  The BA-350 has it's own? terminator, the internal storage for the 1000 probably doesn't.a   -- Andy Bustamanteu remove the ASCII 95s to reply     2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message< news:6.0.0.22.2.20031202070449.01ffd770@raptor.psccos.com...+ > At 11:26 PM 12/1/2003, Don Rogstad wrote:- >- > >Dan O'Reilly wrote: > >30 > > > Trying to configure the SWXCR in the AS100& > > > I just acquired.  I have severalC > > > RZ29B-VA drives to put in the cabinet.  The SWXCR seems to bec
 configuredL > > > such that the internal SW shelf is on the SWXCR, and the internal tape and5L > > > CD are on the internal SCSI bus.  The drives I have all work fine in aL > > > BA350 shelf.  If I put them in the internal shelf in the AS1000, I canL > > > init the drives, format them, whatever, but only the drives in the top 3aK > > > slots (DRA0-DRA2) can be accessed (doing this all JBOD).  The rest ofl the*J > > > drives get a fault light and spin down when they're accessed.  I can take@ > > > them out and put them back in the BA350, and they're fine. > >rH > >Have you run the SWXCRMGR software yet?   This problem looks like the bottomI > >three slots are configured as some sort of RAID configuration (1 or 5). whichuI > >would explain why the fault light comes on.  The SWXCR raid controller3 > >does not6$ > >see the configuration it expects. >oG > Yes, I've run RCU (arccf.exe).  The latest try, I had  6 slots in the/G > backplane with RZ29B-VA drives.  The top 3 were already configured as G > a JBOD system.  I set up a new config (using the auto configuration).lH > It found 5 drives + 1 that was in UNFORMATTED state.  I did the formatF > on the drive, then told RCU to reselect the controller and did a newH > configuration.  This time I saw all 6 drives as JBOD.  I then told RCUE > to init the drives (just the bottom 3, the top 3 had data on them).d > K > It started the init, then a bit of the way in, the drives went into faultbL > mode and wouldn't do anything.  If I booted the system, the SWXCR reportedK > 6 drives, the last 3 of which had a "controller failure" on them.  I then.I > shut the system down, reconfigured the controller to only see the firstwK > 3 drives (the good ones) then pulled the failed 3 drives out and put them.H > in a BA350 I have connected to the AS1000.  When I boot, all drives on# > both backplanes come up properly.e >rL > >   If you still haven't been able to find the software, let me know and I cantH > >send it to you or put it on a FTP site to be pulled down.  I have the > >"StandaloneL > >RAID Array Software v3.2 for AXP systems" - AK-Q6TFE-CA that I use for my( > >AlphaServers 1000A SWXCR controllers. > K > I do have the 3.2 software.  I've been using the standalone RCU utiltity, @ > but I'll make up a floppy with the 3.2 stuff on it and try it. >e > ------L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+L > | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |L > | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |L > | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |L > | http://www.process.com        |                                        |L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ >t >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:17:14 -0700u% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>h  Subject: Re: SWXCR configurationB Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031202201533.01f641a0@raptor.psccos.com>  E Yeah, I've come to the same conclusion.  After taking another look at I the drawings, it looks like I need a terminator on the external SCSI port-/ from the SWXCR (it's a 12-41667-02 terminator).=  K Thanks for the hint anyway!  They say the true test of a man's intelligencer* is how much he agrees with you...<grin>...  - At 06:53 PM 12/2/2003, Andy Bustamante wrote:cK >This may be a SCSI termination issue.  If you see all the disks, but get a B >failure when I/O is started take a look at the SCSI cabling.  TheM >AlphaServer 1000 had several configuration options.  The BA-350 has it's owns@ >terminator, the internal storage for the 1000 probably doesn't. >t >--o >Andy Bustamante >remove the ASCII 95s to reply >u >03 >"Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in messagem= >news:6.0.0.22.2.20031202070449.01ffd770@raptor.psccos.com...g- > > At 11:26 PM 12/1/2003, Don Rogstad wrote:8 > >o > > >Dan O'Reilly wrote: > > >o2 > > > > Trying to configure the SWXCR in the AS100( > > > > I just acquired.  I have severalE > > > > RZ29B-VA drives to put in the cabinet.  The SWXCR seems to beu >configured N > > > > such that the internal SW shelf is on the SWXCR, and the internal tape >andN > > > > CD are on the internal SCSI bus.  The drives I have all work fine in aN > > > > BA350 shelf.  If I put them in the internal shelf in the AS1000, I canN > > > > init the drives, format them, whatever, but only the drives in the top >3M > > > > slots (DRA0-DRA2) can be accessed (doing this all JBOD).  The rest ofr >theL > > > > drives get a fault light and spin down when they're accessed.  I can >take.B > > > > them out and put them back in the BA350, and they're fine. > > >tJ > > >Have you run the SWXCRMGR software yet?   This problem looks like the >bottomhK > > >three slots are configured as some sort of RAID configuration (1 or 5)n >whichK > > >would explain why the fault light comes on.  The SWXCR raid controller8
 > > >does noti& > > >see the configuration it expects. > > I > > Yes, I've run RCU (arccf.exe).  The latest try, I had  6 slots in themI > > backplane with RZ29B-VA drives.  The top 3 were already configured as-I > > a JBOD system.  I set up a new config (using the auto configuration).nJ > > It found 5 drives + 1 that was in UNFORMATTED state.  I did the formatH > > on the drive, then told RCU to reselect the controller and did a newJ > > configuration.  This time I saw all 6 drives as JBOD.  I then told RCUG > > to init the drives (just the bottom 3, the top 3 had data on them).r > >mM > > It started the init, then a bit of the way in, the drives went into fault N > > mode and wouldn't do anything.  If I booted the system, the SWXCR reportedM > > 6 drives, the last 3 of which had a "controller failure" on them.  I thenuK > > shut the system down, reconfigured the controller to only see the firsttM > > 3 drives (the good ones) then pulled the failed 3 drives out and put themxJ > > in a BA350 I have connected to the AS1000.  When I boot, all drives on% > > both backplanes come up properly.l > >nN > > >   If you still haven't been able to find the software, let me know and I >canJ > > >send it to you or put it on a FTP site to be pulled down.  I have the > > >"StandaloneN > > >RAID Array Software v3.2 for AXP systems" - AK-Q6TFE-CA that I use for my* > > >AlphaServers 1000A SWXCR controllers. > >iM > > I do have the 3.2 software.  I've been using the standalone RCU utiltity, B > > but I'll make up a floppy with the 3.2 stuff on it and try it. > >P
 > > ------N > > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+N > > | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |N > > | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |N > > | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |N > > | http://www.process.com        |                                        |N > > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ > >z > >f   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:11:14 -0600h From: don.rogstad@dalsemi.com  Subject: Re: TELENT in batch1 Message-ID: <03120218111458@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   
 Gerard wrote:b >Have a look at  >e> >  [Compaq C] Telnet Client Accepting Non Interactive Commands > S >http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/009E60A3-96F8B0E0-1C0186.htmld >l  K Has anyone tried to download and compile & link this code on OpenVMS Alpha?o  7 I am having problems compiling the telnet.c code using:e  1   Compaq C V6.2-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1H1 on:t  A   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 3->   on a Compaq AlphaServer GS160 6/731 running OpenVMS V7.2-1H1   The compile complains about:;    two "%CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC" functions, "gethostbyaddr" and m    "TCPIP$FREEADDRINFO"2  ;    two structs not being defined: "hostent" and "addrinfo" m  (    and two constants not being defined: H       %CC-E-UNDECLARED, In this statement, "AI_PASSIVE" is not declared.H       %CC-E-UNDECLARED, In this statement, "EAI_SYSTEM" is not declared.  K These structures, constants and routines are defined in the "netdb.h" file,hE but the code is using a "netdb.h" in TCPIP$EXAMPLES: for VMS machines    #if defined (__VMS) ! #include <tcpip$examples/netdb.h>u #undef __unix__r
 #undef __unixp #elsen #include <netdb.h> #endif  H which does not have any of above defined and instead points to some RPC  symbols.  B If I take out the #if defined statements and just use the #includeJ <netdb.h>, then the code compiles fine, but upon linking it is missing two
 routines:   & %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 2 undefined symbols:, %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         __BSD44_FREEADDRINFO+ %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         __BSD44_GETADDRINFOi  K Again, the tcpip$library:tcpip$lib.olb file has the TCPIP$FREEADDRINFO and eK the TCPIP$GETADDRINFO routines, but it appears that the <netdb.h> file has   the following code:r    I1       16565 /*B  I1       16566 **  These functions have new semantics for BSD 4.4  I1       16567 */$  I1       16568 #ifdef _SOCKADDR_LEN.  I1       16569 #   if __CAN_USE_EXTERN_PREFIX5  I1       16570 #       pragma __extern_prefix __saved9  I1       16571 #       pragma __extern_prefix "__bsd44_"o  I1    X  16572 #   elseb  I1    X  16573 #       define gethostbyaddr(__p1,__p2,__p3) __bsd44_gethostbyaddr(__p1,__p2,__p3)X  I1    X  16574 #       define gethostbyname(__p1)           __bsd44_gethostbyname(__p1)  I1    X  16575 #   endifd  I1       16576 #endif  I1       16577 d  I1       16578 __struct_hostent_ptr32 gethostbyaddr (const void *__addr, size_t __len, int __type);J  I1       16579 __struct_hostent_ptr32 gethostbyname (const char *__name);J  I1       16580 __struct_hostent_ptr32 gethostbyname2 (const char *, int);6  I1       16581 void freeaddrinfo (struct addrinfo *);j  I1       16582 int getaddrinfo (const char *, const char *, const struct addrinfo *, struct addrinfo **);g  I1       16583 int getnameinfo (const struct sockaddr *, size_t, char *, size_t, char *, size_t, int);0)  I1       16584 char *gai_strerror (int);<  I1       16585s  I1       16586:$  I1       16587 #ifdef _SOCKADDR_LEN.  I1       16588 #   if __CAN_USE_EXTERN_PREFIX8  I1       16589 #       pragma __extern_prefix __restore  I1       16590 #   endifn  I1       16591 #endif  I1       16592e  L which is causing the prefix of "__bsd44_" to the used instead of "tcpip$".  J Since this "netdb.h" is in the SYS$LIBRARY:DECC$RTLDEF.TLB, I am at a lostJ on how to proceed.  (I don't want to use a customized .h file if possible)  F Is there a way in DECC to remove the __extern_prefix once it has been I established for a routine?  Am I doing something completely wrong?  Can ItK provide a "mapping" of the __bsd44_ routines to the tcpip$ routines in the s link statement?r   Thanks,. Don Rogstada Dallas Semiconductor  H P.S.   Thanks to the link to LIBSEARCH on Hunter's website.  It has been= a life saver on traking down where these symbols are defined.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 03 15:14:33 ESTR From: grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu Subject: Re: VMS on PDP-10?./ Message-ID: <4qvirIPYDOef@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>i  F As far as the command languages went, Tops-10 commands tended to go in- the opposite direction from VMS and that ilk.<   On Tops-10 you might say:s   COPY output=inputf   where, of course, VMS says   COPY input outputu  g In article <3FCCB7C7.EED692DF@nothp.com>, Charlie McCutcheon <charlie.mccutcheonspam@nothp.com> writes:b >>P >> > Gary, and his students, wrote a small control program, which he called CP/MO >> > (Control Program/Microcomputer). It enabled him to read and write files to Q >> > and from the disk. Gary copied the commands and file-naming conventions froma) >> > the DEC PDP-10 VMS operating system.t >> > R > PDP-10 was a machine architecture, not an operating system.  Tops-10 and Tops-20  > were the o/s for the machines. > P > Tops-20 had some simlar commands and directory specs to VMS/DCL, but also manyL > differences.  And Tops-20 had features VMS didn't, like command completion9 > (escape), and help in the middle of a command with "?".w > J > I'd guess the text clip is missing some details of what they did...  ;-) > 	 > Charliea >    ------------------------------    Date: 02 Dec 2003 17:06:55 -05003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>o Subject: Re: VMS on PDP-10?h. Message-ID: <mddiskylvr4.fsf@panix5.panix.com>    grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu writes:  H > As far as the command languages went, Tops-10 commands tended to go in/ > the opposite direction from VMS and that ilk.- >  > On Tops-10 you might say:- >  > COPY output=inputo >  > where, of course, VMS says >  > COPY input outputp  M Was this always true of VMS?  Did early versions have a COPY command, or just- PIP (like RSX-11*)?f  O (My first exposure to VMS was on the DECUS NOTES system, at version 5.x or so.)-   -- -. Rich Alderson					    | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |< news@alderson.users.panix.com			    | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |7 			 --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |t   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2003 10:50:19 -0800a0 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)( Subject: Working Sets for Misc Processes= Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0312021050.5d52de3a@posting.google.com>   A While auditing the memory usage on my systems I noticed that some,B processes appeared to have 'inappropriate'?? quotas, in particular  ! JOB_CONTROL          142048 pages ! QUEUE_MANAGER        142048 pagesn7 SMTP_<node>_01       142048 pages   (<--- Server Queue)y@ TCPIP$TNS1           142048 pages   (<--- Telnet Print Symbiont)! SHADOW_SERVER        100064 pagesd  E      Can anyone tell me where these processes inherit their WS Quotase from??C I am particularly concerned about the Tlenet Print Symbiont since IiF will be generating large numbers of these on my production system over@ the coming months.   From SYSGEN these are the current values of System WS defaults  A WSMAX                      568244       4096      1024    8388608e PageletsA  internal value             35516        256        64     524288  Pagesd   A PQL_DWSDEFAULT               1024       1024        -1         -1i Pagelet A  internal value                64         64         0         -1 F Pages      PQL_MWSDEFAULT               1024        512        -1         -1 PageletsA  internal value                64         32        32         -1 F Pages      PQL_DWSQUOTA                 2048       2048        -1         -1 Pagelets   DA  internal value               128        128         0         -1v Pages      DA PQL_MWSQUOTA                 2048       1024        -1         -1y Pagelets   DA  internal value               128         64        64         -1_ Pages      DA PQL_DWSEXTENT              100000      16384        -1         -1  Pagelets   DA  internal value              6250       1024         0         -1  Pages      DA PQL_MWSEXTENT              100000       2048        -1         -1r Pagelets   DA  internal value              6250        128       128         -1  Pages      D  ; (Note:  I will be reducing WSMAX to 150000 pages next boot)T  $      Thanks in advance for any help.   Dave. (Baxter)   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 03 12:59:25 PSTe From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.coms, Subject: Re: Working Sets for Misc Processes( Message-ID: <R9npFTCoBSln@cpva.saic.com>  p In article <a3c44af1.0312021050.5d52de3a@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes:C > While auditing the memory usage on my systems I noticed that some D > processes appeared to have 'inappropriate'?? quotas, in particular > # > JOB_CONTROL          142048 pagest# > QUEUE_MANAGER        142048 pages09 > SMTP_<node>_01       142048 pages   (<--- Server Queue)IB > TCPIP$TNS1           142048 pages   (<--- Telnet Print Symbiont)# > SHADOW_SERVER        100064 pagesW > G >      Can anyone tell me where these processes inherit their WS Quotasn > from??  B SYS$STARTUP:VMS$CONFIG-050_JOBCTL.COM computes the WSQUOTA for theA JOB_CONTROL process as 1/4 of WSMAX. I've not looked but it wouldr@ appear that the same strategy is used for the next three on your list.n  7 SYS$STARTUP:VMS$CONFIG-050_SHADOW_SERVER.COM starts therA SHADOW_SERVER process and computes WSQUOTA as the lesser of WSMAXyC or (PQL_MWSQUOTA + (200*128)) - on an Alpha 7.3 system. I don't see A how yours was actually computed given your PQL value - the systeme< that I'm looking at now uses a value as I've just described.    E > I am particularly concerned about the Tlenet Print Symbiont since I-H > will be generating large numbers of these on my production system overB > the coming months.   From SYSGEN these are the current values of > System WS defaults > C > WSMAX                      568244       4096      1024    8388608y
 > PageletsC >  internal value             35516        256        64     524288e > Pages  >   C > PQL_DWSDEFAULT               1024       1024        -1         -1-	 > Pagelet-C >  internal value                64         64         0         -1iH > Pages      PQL_MWSDEFAULT               1024        512        -1      >    -1 PageletsC >  internal value                64         32        32         -1-H > Pages      PQL_DWSQUOTA                 2048       2048        -1      >    -1 Pagelets   DC >  internal value               128        128         0         -1m > Pages      DC > PQL_MWSQUOTA                 2048       1024        -1         -1E > Pagelets   DC >  internal value               128         64        64         -1a > Pages      DC > PQL_DWSEXTENT              100000      16384        -1         -1t > Pagelets   DC >  internal value              6250       1024         0         -1a > Pages      DC > PQL_MWSEXTENT              100000       2048        -1         -1  > Pagelets   DC >  internal value              6250        128       128         -1e > Pages      D > = > (Note:  I will be reducing WSMAX to 150000 pages next boot)  > & >      Thanks in advance for any help. >  > Dave. (Baxter)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:33:53 -0600s@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>3 Subject: Re: XFC 7.3 and Process States (HIBO/LEFO)e6 Message-ID: <3FCD4B91.6AFD74D7@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > . > I have an ES-40, OVMS 7.3 and XFC activated.3 > And a lot of LPR process in HIBO and LEFO states._5 > I know there is now reason to worry about that, but 4 > is recommended to buy more memory ? I have 10 GB !  G Without more input, I'd say some tuning is order to regain some memory. 7 rather depends on a lot info not provided in your post.-   -- - David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/b   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.668 ************************