1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 03 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 669       Contents:: Re: ANN: New freeware: Search help libraries for keywords.9 Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer... 9 Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer... . Apache - symbols in DCL-CGI with post method ? Dead Console/ Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ?  DS700 RAS configuration  Re: DS700 RAS configuration 1 Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes 1 Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes 1 Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes ) Re: Error trying to analyse process dump. ) Re: Error trying to analyse process dump. ) Re: Error trying to analyse process dump. C Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ? C Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ? ? Re: How do you Modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream??  RE: HP's Adaptive Enterprise Re: HP's Adaptive Enterprise Re: HP's Adaptive Enterprise) Re: HSJ50/HSZ50 RAID Configuration Puzzle : Re: I wonder if this HP director will resign from HP's BOD! Re: Latest Mezei Trolling Aliases  Re: lib$spawn output-file  Re: lib$spawn output-file  Re: lib$spawn output-file  ODS-5 file name  Re: ODS-5 file name  Re: ODS-5 file name : Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing6 OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 RE: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 RE: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 5 Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software 
 OT: Post Test  Re: OT: What's next for HP?  Re: OT: What's next for HP? & Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp Problems starting TCPIP$NTP  Re: Problems starting TCPIP$NTP  Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS, Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump files4 Re[2]: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday  Re: tcpip nfs mount problem  Re: tcpip nfs mount problem / TCPIP Services 5.3 Traceroute on 3100 very slow  Re: TELENT in batch  Re: TELENT in batch B u Inquirer: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing9 VMS clusters prove they are the best - Sun comes in last! = Re: VMS clusters prove they are the best - Sun comes in last!  Re: VMS on PDP-10? Re: Wildcard searching! Re: Will VMS run on one of these? 0 X terminal MOP connected to a uVAX: replacement?4 Re: X terminal MOP connected to a uVAX: replacement?* Re: XFC 7.3 and Process States (HIBO/LEFO)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 09:26:52 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) C Subject: Re: ANN: New freeware: Search help libraries for keywords. 3 Message-ID: <UQTYGPam6Io9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B3E1@lespaul.process.com>, Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com> writes:  > < > OpenVMS VAX and Alpha are supported, and I doubt that any . > source changes will be required for Itanium. >   >    Builds and runs just fine on the Itanium test drive system.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 08:45:53 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) B Subject: Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer...3 Message-ID: <bdijpvI8SWVY@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <00A29BC4.09D26D86@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: ] > In article <3FCBFAEA.271D6312@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >>J >>Remember also that this *MUST* be done *WITHOUT* first having to build aG >>"restore system" - the tapes *MUST* be readable by standard-issue VMS 0 >>BACKUP in a stand-alone (boot cd) environment. >  > Why, exactly?  > L > If - and I don't know if you can, but if you could - boot from a CD with aL > preconfigured Legato client on it and restore to local disk, is there some& > reason that wouldn't be good enough?  C    On a response related to this Legato claims that you can restore H    thier backup of the system disk to a disk, then you just have to do a
    writeboot.   G    I don't know of any way to do a writeboot without first booting VMS. H    You could probably do this by booting the VMS distribution CD if it'sB    an Alpha, but not if it's a VAX.  (Someone else can chime in on	    IA64).   ?    I'll stick with backup/image for my system disk.  Since I've E    automated that via the power of the SUBMIT command and OPCOM, I'll 6    go ahead and use it for the rest of the disks, too.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:15:44 -0600( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>B Subject: Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer.../ Message-ID: <00A29D17.41F8D7CD.1@tachysoft.com>   < >From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsC >Subject: Re: Announcement OpenVMS backup solution special offer...        >In article <00A29BC4.09D26D86@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:^ >> In article <3FCBFAEA.271D6312@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >>> K >>>Remember also that this *MUST* be done *WITHOUT* first having to build a H >>>"restore system" - the tapes *MUST* be readable by standard-issue VMS1 >>>BACKUP in a stand-alone (boot cd) environment.  >>   >> Why, exactly? >>  M >> If - and I don't know if you can, but if you could - boot from a CD with a M >> preconfigured Legato client on it and restore to local disk, is there some ' >> reason that wouldn't be good enough?  > D >   On a response related to this Legato claims that you can restoreI >   thier backup of the system disk to a disk, then you just have to do a  >   writeboot. >   M That sounds kind of half-assed.  If they are creating a system disk from some L foreign format, why can't they do that part as well?  Seems a hell of a lessO complicated that rebuilding indexf.sys correctly.  (Assuming they *do* build it  correctly.)     H >   I don't know of any way to do a writeboot without first booting VMS.I >   You could probably do this by booting the VMS distribution CD if it's C >   an Alpha, but not if it's a VAX.  (Someone else can chime in on 
 >   IA64). > @ >   I'll stick with backup/image for my system disk.  Since I'veF >   automated that via the power of the SUBMIT command and OPCOM, I'll7 >   go ahead and use it for the rest of the disks, too.  >     K And of course tapesys owners have that option too.  Unlike "solutions" that M require access to billyboxes and/or eunuchs systems storing things in non-vms N formats, tapesys uses standard vms backup.  Which of course means that tapesysO is not required for restoring a system disk after a catastrophe.  The procedure M would be the same as with straight vms, standalone backup on vax or boot from L cd on alpha.  All you need to do is regularly print Recent Backup reports soO you know which tape to restore from.  Or locate the proper tape via the primary M or secondary master using the primary or secondary database, if it's just the " one node and not your entire site.O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:48:45 GMT 2 From: m.grafinger@tuwien.ac.at (Manfred Grafinger)7 Subject: Apache - symbols in DCL-CGI with post method ? 2 Message-ID: <3fce02ff.202893255@news.tuwien.ac.at>  	 Hello NG.   3 Im changing our webserver from old OSU/VMS6.2 to an C Apache1.3.26/VMS7.3-1 System. Now i have troubles to get the values % from a post-form into my CDL-scripts.   @ At the OSU-Server there was a binary, which converted the posted% values to DCL-symbols such like this. 0 $ MCR WWW_ROOT:[BIN]CGI_SYMBOLS WWW_ Symbolname_  ? The Apache - dokumentation says it is necessery to redefine the & logical SYS$INPUT early in the script:& $ define/NoLog SYS$INPUT APACHE$INPUT:  B Now when i am trying to read in the values from SYS$INPUT i get an error massage like this: $ READ SYS$INPUT Symbolname C %DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name   D Anybody with more experience with Apache under VMS who can help me ?   Best regards, Manfred Grafinger  --  # + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + # ' Dr.-techn.  Manfred  GRAFINGER  ' # ' Technische  Universitaet  Wien  ' # ' Institut fr Maschinenelemente  ' # ' 1060 WIEN, Getreidemarkt 9/306  ' # ' manfred.grafinger@tuwien.ac.at  ' # ' Tel.: + 43 - 1 / 58801 / 30612  ' # + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:20:57 +01008 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com> Subject: Dead Console A Message-ID: <nf11a1-oue.ln1@fliwarsln02.warsaw.intl.fritolay.pvt>    Hi all.   . I cannot access my Alpha 2000 via the console.I I've tried two different connection cables (MMJ), two different terminals  (VT420 and VT510),G both console ports (RS-232), and the only thing I can see is a blinking  cursor. L The server is accessible when booted, via LAN. What should I look for there?  # Thank you in advance for any hints.  T. D.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:24:50 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>8 Subject: Re: Display Postscript with MAC as X-terminal ?8 Message-ID: <307ssv4j0h7q97ujgcdqtit0evik3475r2@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:58:16 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   J >But I thought that even the hooks into them were removed from DECWindows.J >I'm pretty sure that I too tired this workaround and would have continued% >it on present machines if it worked.   K I was able to get DECdocument's graphics editor (DOCUMENT/GRPAHICS) working ? after "upgrading" to Motif V1.2-6 by restoring those two files. I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 08:39:55 -0800 & From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)  Subject: DS700 RAS configuration= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0312030839.14696b21@posting.google.com>   E Slightly OT but I figure the odds of finding a person who has done it  are better here than elsewhere.   A We're in the process of moving a (VMS! Alpha) customer from frame F relay to VPN site-to-site tunnels for their WAN.  We need to provide aB certain level of backup access, and rather than defaulting to some> damn peecee RAS I'm looking at using a spare DS700-08 (NAS 2.2F software) with a few modems as the backup.  I've not been able to testD anything since the DS700s are not currently free (they would be upon converting).  C The last time we tried it briefly using a DS700-08, NAS 2.3a, and a E Hayes Optima 56 modem, we could get a PC or dialup router to connect, D but the port speed always reset to 9600 baud; if I disabled autobaud@ it just would not connect.  The modem should have been locked atD 57600, but given how flakey Hayes got near their death, its possible that was the problem.   E So... any sample configs running a RAS dialup at 57600 or 115200, and E modem recommendations to go with it?  Also, is NAS 2.2 up to the task F or do we need to get the one server upgraded to current (2.6 I think)?  Thanks for any info.    Rich Jordan    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:54:02 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> $ Subject: Re: DS700 RAS configuration' Message-ID: <3FCE152A.5020908@MMaz.com>    Rich Jordan wrote:  F >So... any sample configs running a RAS dialup at 57600 or 115200, andF >modem recommendations to go with it?  Also, is NAS 2.2 up to the taskG >or do we need to get the one server upgraded to current (2.6 I think)?  >    > D Here is an example of one modem, in our pool, that is used mulitple  times daily:  5 Port  4:                               Server: DS7000    F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600F Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:              9600F Parity:                 None           Modem Control:          Enabled Stop Bits:           Dynamic   F Access:                Local           Local Switch:              NoneF Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_4F Break:                 Local           Session Limit:                4F Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      AnsiF Default Protocol:        LAT           Default Menu:              NoneF                                        Dialer Script:             None Dedicated Service: V4100    Authorized Groups:   0 (Current)  Groups:   0    Enabled Characteristics:; Autobaud,  Autoconnect,  Autoprompt,  Broadcast,  Failover, > Input Flow Control,  Lock,  Loss Notification,  Message Codes," Output Flow Control,  Verification   and is a DS700:   E Network Access SW V2.0 for DS700-08 BL10-40  ROM V4.0-0  Uptime:  31   01:51:23   G Address:   08-00-2B-39-39-37   Name:   DS7000             Number:     0     Identification:    C Circuit Timer:            80           Password Limit:            3 B Console Port:              1           Prompt:              Local>C Inactivity Timer:         30           Queue Limit:             100 C Keepalive Timer:          20           Retransmit Limit:          8 C Multicast Timer:          30           Session Limit:            64 C Node Limit:              200           Software:             WWENG2     Service Groups:   0     Enabled Characteristics:' Announcements,  Broadcast,  Dump,  Lock   D If you have problems with baud, most likely it is your modem (in my C estimation), because with this config we the DS connects at 115200:   5 Port  4:                               Server: DS7000    F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:             115200F Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:            115200F Parity:                 None           Modem Control:          Enabled Stop Bits:           Dynamic   F Access:                Local           Local Switch:              NoneF Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_4F Break:                 Local           Session Limit:                4F Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      AnsiF Default Protocol:        LAT           Default Menu:              NoneF                                        Dialer Script:             None Dedicated Service: V4100    Authorized Groups:   0 (Current)  Groups:   0    Enabled Characteristics:; Autobaud,  Autoconnect,  Autoprompt,  Broadcast,  Failover, > Input Flow Control,  Lock,  Loss Notification,  Message Codes," Output Flow Control,  Verification   V4100$ sh term> Terminal: _VTA1264:   Device_Type: VT400_Series  Owner: SYSTEM Physical terminal: _LTA5435: LAT Server/Port: DS7000/PORT_4   B    Input:    2000     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None0    Output:   2000     CRfill:  0      Page:   24    Terminal Characteristics: E    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape ?    Hostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          Tab D    No Wrap            Scope              No Remote          EightbitC    Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup B    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        HangupE    Brdcstmbx          No DMA             Altypeahd          Set_speed G    No Commsync        Line Editing       Insert editing     No Fallback F    No Dialup          No Secure server   Disconnect         No PasthruH    No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  Soft Characters    Printer portI    Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No Block_mode D    Advanced_video     Edit_mode          DEC_CRT            DEC_CRT2I    DEC_CRT3           DEC_CRT4           No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Color     VMS Style Input  6 though I have to admit VMS is weird about the speed...     Barry    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:21:14 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG: Subject: Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes0 Message-ID: <00A29D07.4A574DF4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <fkbzb.971$d35.408@edtnps84>, Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes:  >VAXman- wrote::s >> In article <OFC95FD972.C7B95537-ON85256DF0.005B7451-85256DF0.005C6641@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  >>  G >> Open the Style Manager and click on the Screen icon.  Check the time E >> setting for the "Time for Background".  If you have only one back- H >> ground selected make the time period as L-O-N-G as possible.  I found5 >> this problem myself when CDE was first introduced.  > E >A little off-topic, but since I have only just recently begun using  H >DECwindows I tried making the changes you recommend.  On my system the J >"Time Per Background" slider is greyed out and stays that way regardless G >of whether I select Background or Transparent locks.  The rest of the   >Screen dialog seems OK. > * >This is DECwindows 1.2-6 on VMS Alpha 7.3 > 8 >Is this behaviour governed by a logical value, perhaps? >  >Thanks, >  >Alder >   ! Select "Use Background For Locks"   L Then click on more than on of the backgrounds listed in the window below it.I For example: "Swarm of bees" and "Spinning lines".  This should cause the L "Time per Background" slider to become active.  Move it to the extreme rightL which should be 120 minutes.  You can them click away any of the backgrounds; you do not want to have displayed when the panel is locked.   J Even through you have selected only one background, CDE causes the programJ which displays the background to be restarted every slider-selected-inter- val of time.      M It may be possible to extend this period event longer by editing the resource  file:   L   account-default-disk:[account-home-directory.DT.SESSIONS.HOME]DT.RESOURCES   and change the resource:     dtsession*cycleTimeout: 120    to some higher value.      --  L VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:07:45 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com: Subject: Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutesQ Message-ID: <OFEE1A3F06.4DA7F416-ON85256DF1.0052FE45-85256DF1.00536798@metso.com>    Thanks.   I thought I had turned this off." Is there a way to make this stick?  6 From:  VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG on 12/02/2003 12:33 PM  , Please respond to VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG       To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:   = Subject:    Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes     
 In articleF <OFC95FD972.C7B95537-ON85256DF0.005B7451-85256DF0.005C6641@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > I >Why is my Console DTSESSION creating and ending a subprocess every three 	 >minutes?  >What is it doing/trying to do?  >  >[snip]   D Open the Style Manager and click on the Screen icon.  Check the timeB setting for the "Time for Background".  If you have only one back-E ground selected make the time period as L-O-N-G as possible.  I found 2 this problem myself when CDE was first introduced. --0 VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  5    "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:02:32 -0800* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>: Subject: Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes+ Message-ID: <3fce0918$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>    Rats,   D I thought I could pull that last message of mine before anyone could actually read it.   L I must learn to close my eyes and count backwards from 100 before posting so the panic will subside. :-)    Alder   , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A29D07.4A574DF4@SendSpamHere.ORG...0 > In article <fkbzb.971$d35.408@edtnps84>, Alder$ <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes: > >VAXman- wrote:: > >> In article F <OFC95FD972.C7B95537-ON85256DF0.005B7451-85256DF0.005C6641@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > >>I > >> Open the Style Manager and click on the Screen icon.  Check the time G > >> setting for the "Time for Background".  If you have only one back- J > >> ground selected make the time period as L-O-N-G as possible.  I found7 > >> this problem myself when CDE was first introduced.  > > F > >A little off-topic, but since I have only just recently begun usingI > >DECwindows I tried making the changes you recommend.  On my system the K > >"Time Per Background" slider is greyed out and stays that way regardless H > >of whether I select Background or Transparent locks.  The rest of the > >Screen dialog seems OK. > > , > >This is DECwindows 1.2-6 on VMS Alpha 7.3 > > : > >Is this behaviour governed by a logical value, perhaps? > > 
 > >Thanks, > >  > >Alder > >  > # > Select "Use Background For Locks"  > J > Then click on more than on of the backgrounds listed in the window below it. K > For example: "Swarm of bees" and "Spinning lines".  This should cause the H > "Time per Background" slider to become active.  Move it to the extreme right B > which should be 120 minutes.  You can them click away any of the backgrounds = > you do not want to have displayed when the panel is locked.  > L > Even through you have selected only one background, CDE causes the programL > which displays the background to be restarted every slider-selected-inter- > val of time. >  > F > It may be possible to extend this period event longer by editing the resource > file:  >  > J account-default-disk:[account-home-directory.DT.SESSIONS.HOME]DT.RESOURCES >  > and change the resource: >  >   dtsession*cycleTimeout: 120  >  > to some higher value.  >  >  > --2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:01:01 +0000  From: nowhere@home.com2 Subject: Re: Error trying to analyse process dump.8 Message-ID: <t29rsvc1kcuf9t5qaldkdh6sm4p9bg1i77@4ax.com>  D On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:11:02 -0500, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote:  < >On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:56:33 +0000, nowhere@home.com wrote: >  >>Hi,  >>9 >>I am trying to analyse a process dump with the command:  >> >>$ analyse/proc dbw.dmp >>) >>--- but all I get is the error message:  >>& >>CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'SERVER'< >>-CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tables >>F >>Does anyone know what is causing this and what can be done about it? > O >Try SHOW SYMBOL ANALYSE [sic] and SHOW LOGICAL ANALIMDMP to see if a symbol or . >logical name refers to an unexpected program.  D Thanks to all for the help.  I'm not sure if I understand most of it! by here is some more information:    OS: OpenVMS 7.2-1 Alpha 0 Debugger: OpenVMS Alpha Debug64 Version V7.3-017  B I found out that the debugger startup DCL script was not called on7 boot so I ran it manually (SYS$STARTUP:DEBUGSETUP.COM). ; There is another script there called DEBUG$STARTUP_V73.COM, C but it does not work because I do not have the required privileges.   , However the debugger now gets a bit further:  @ %SDA-E-NOTALPHADUMP, dump file does not contain an OpenVMS Alpha system dump B %DEBUG-E-PRCDFAIL, process dumpfile connection failed, reason = 10A %DEBUG-E-PRCDFAIL, process dumpfile connection failed, reason = 8 8 %DEBUG-F-CANTACCESSMAIN, cannot access the main debugger: -DEBUG-E-INTERR, debugger error in DBGKRPC\DBG$CALL_MAIN - ACCEPT_CALL_MAIN not    set up yet or session corruptionB %DEBUG-E-NOPROCESSES, the current command is targetted at an empty process set   
 TIA, Mark    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 09:01:27 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Error trying to analyse process dump.3 Message-ID: <EmZyfaLYPcHK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <t29rsvc1kcuf9t5qaldkdh6sm4p9bg1i77@4ax.com>, nowhere@home.com writes:  > B > %SDA-E-NOTALPHADUMP, dump file does not contain an OpenVMS Alpha
 > system dump   C    There it is.  Someone has set up the analyze command to run SDA, G    which is normally accessed via analyze/crash_dump or analyze/system.   "    You probably have a DCL symbol &       analyze == "analyze/crash_dump"      or something like that.  Use        delete/symbol analyze "       delete/symbol/global analyze    then try again.        ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:05:45 +0000  From: nowhere@home.com2 Subject: Re: Error trying to analyse process dump.8 Message-ID: <kb2ssvgfltgb9d0kp7qt3oe1psj82p063b@4ax.com>  E On 3 Dec 2003 09:01:27 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org  (Bob Koehler) wrote:  R >In article <t29rsvc1kcuf9t5qaldkdh6sm4p9bg1i77@4ax.com>, nowhere@home.com writes: >>  C >> %SDA-E-NOTALPHADUMP, dump file does not contain an OpenVMS Alpha  >> system dump > D >   There it is.  Someone has set up the analyze command to run SDA,H >   which is normally accessed via analyze/crash_dump or analyze/system. > # >   You probably have a DCL symbol  ' >      analyze == "analyze/crash_dump"  ! >   or something like that.  Use   >      delete/symbol analyze# >      delete/symbol/global analyze  >   then try again.    I have no such symbol defined:   $ sh sym analyze= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  $ sh log anal*   (LNM$JOB_80DA5D00)     "ANALIMDMP" = "DEBUGSHR"   Regards,     Mark   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:06:17 -0000 From: "Stuart" <a@b.com>L Subject: Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ?% Message-ID: <bqkjlm$6oj$1@rdel.co.uk>    cheers guys,  G We've sorted it now.  Used lib$spawn to carry out 'set file/attributes' 3 commands on the files after they have been created.   F The problem came around because a fortran application used to view theL files(created in C++ using ofstream) was allocating memory for a line lengthL buffer to that of the rms file attribute 'longest line bytes', which was set4 to 0 therefore not reading anything out of the file.   Stu....     K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:3FCD4A16.2DD49D4E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > Andy Baber wrote:  > > C > > How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ?  > ? > As other posters have said, it depends on what "ofstream" is.  >  > Can you elucidate? >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 09:07:32 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) L Subject: Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ?3 Message-ID: <cVI2x8$6SZqF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <bqifml$bnu$1@rdel.co.uk>, "Andy Baber" <andy.baber@uk.thalesgroup.com> writes: > A > How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ?  >   D    I assume ofstream is a C++ or Java class?  I'm quite sure neither%    would have any concept of RMS, so:   J    If it C++ you're limited to the open/fopen/creat options (i.e. use the 2    C RTL directly), or call RMS services directly.  F    If it's Java, you'll have to use the JNI to get to the C RTL or RMS    services.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 03:34:45 +1100: From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz>H Subject: Re: How do you Modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream??C Message-ID: <3fce10c7$0$31749$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>    well without any info:  
 set file/attr    --   David McKenzie   elimate rugby to reply    Phone:   +613 9844 0047 Mobile:   +61 405 505 956 2  Email:    david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.rugby.biz)    Web:    http://www.paradigm-shift.biz/    IT Law and security a bad mix = "Andy Baber" <andy.baber@uk.thalesgroup.com> wrote in message 7 news:13810b89.0312020842.489c21a6@posting.google.com... ; > How do you Modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream  >  >  >  > Any ideas anyone?? >  > Thanks >  > Andy   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:31:37 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> % Subject: RE: HP's Adaptive Enterprise R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB1E06AD@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Keith,  & Re: Adaptive Enterprise and OpenVMS ..  C Yep, virtualization and clustering of computing resources is a huge 3 component of the Adaptive Enterprise (AE) messages.    For the benefit of others -   A OpenVMS has been doing this for years, so it is great to see this B renewal of interest in the industry for "utility style" computing.  G Host based volume shadowing, native cluster wide batch/print queues and F cluster wide logicals are also OpenVMS technologies that serve to makeA computing resources more "virtual" as well e.g. batch jobs can be F written to execute on any server, at any site (multi-site cluster), atH any time (full read-write active-active cluster wide shared file system)E without regards to what any physical resource names are (e.g. server,  disk drives, queues).=20  D With OpenVMS clusters, entire servers, cpu's, controllers can all beD expanded dynamically and on-line with no need to inform end users ofB this happening. This can be done by simply tweaking load balancingG parameters to shift new users between different servers in the cluster. E When all existing users have logged out (new users on other servers), F batch jobs completed, then that server can be shutdown (planned maint,H HW upgrade or tuning reboot)- with ZERO application availability impact.H When that upgraded server is rebooted, it will start taking its share ofF the workload again and the end users will not even know it was offline for awhile.   A [Yes, users who log into servers for days at a time would have to  logout/login again]   F With V7.3-2, you can also now dynamically expand disk volumes as well.   :-)    Regards     
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   > -----Original Message-----= > From: Keith Parris [mailto:keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com]=20   > Sent: December 2, 2003 1:01 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' > Subject: Re: HP's Adaptive Enterprise  >=20: > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message=20' > news:<3FB295D0.E14EFEC9@istop.com>...  > > John Smith wrote: 5 > > > Just wondering how much of it will include VMS.  > >=20> > > During the May presentation, VMS was excluded. So don't=20 > expect it to=20 , > > magically become part of this initiative >=20A > Actually, VMS _will_ be included in HP's Adaptive Enterprise=20  > initiative going forward.  >=20@ > When you think about it, VMS has technologies that are some=20B > of the best-suited in the entire industry to actually achieve=20B > the vision of the Adaptive Enterprise in the real world.  For=20@ > example, shifting system resources around between different=20@ > environments dynamically as workload and demand shifts is a=20/ > piece of cake for VMS Clusters and/or Galaxy.  >=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:21:04 GMTc# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: HP's Adaptive EnterprisegM Message-ID: <kjmzb.126057$Fv8.116004@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>a   Main, Kerry wrote: > Keith, >e( > Re: Adaptive Enterprise and OpenVMS .. >eE > Yep, virtualization and clustering of computing resources is a hugel5 > component of the Adaptive Enterprise (AE) messages.  >p > For the benefit of others -i >aC > OpenVMS has been doing this for years, so it is great to see thisaD > renewal of interest in the industry for "utility style" computing. >iE > Host based volume shadowing, native cluster wide batch/print queuesaG > and cluster wide logicals are also OpenVMS technologies that serve toiH > make computing resources more "virtual" as well e.g. batch jobs can beH > written to execute on any server, at any site (multi-site cluster), atB > any time (full read-write active-active cluster wide shared fileG > system) without regards to what any physical resource names are (e.g.d > server, disk drives, queues).n > F > With OpenVMS clusters, entire servers, cpu's, controllers can all beF > expanded dynamically and on-line with no need to inform end users ofD > this happening. This can be done by simply tweaking load balancing@ > parameters to shift new users between different servers in theF > cluster. When all existing users have logged out (new users on otherB > servers), batch jobs completed, then that server can be shutdownE > (planned maint, HW upgrade or tuning reboot)- with ZERO applicationtE > availability impact. When that upgraded server is rebooted, it will E > start taking its share of the workload again and the end users willC* > not even know it was offline for awhile. > C > [Yes, users who log into servers for days at a time would have toh > logout/login again]  > H > With V7.3-2, you can also now dynamically expand disk volumes as well.      J That's all great news, but certainly not news to those who frequent c.o.v.  K But it is news to the CEO's and CTO's of most of the financial institutionsfH (banks/brokers/some exchanges/depositories/custodians) that I meet/lunchJ with. These guys (for the most part) read the Wall Street Journal each dayG and all they see from HP are printer ads or ads for Wintel reboot crap.c  I A rational person (hypothetically a CEO of say the #2 computer company in J the world) would want all these types of institutions to be purchasing VMSJ based systems (if they indeed offered them) and would do whatever it takesI to make that occur because sales like those would be large, on-going, anda. stable sources of revenue for decades to come.  D But reality shows that the real world CEO of the world's #2 computerF manufacturer doesn't care if Sun (despite prognostications of 'lack ofL performance' or 'financially unsound') or IBM took those deals, and wouldn'tJ do such a thing as promote their own products unless it took the form of a blister-packed ink cartridge.e  9 Don't expect me to do all HP's freakin' marketing of VMS.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:39:00 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>% Subject: Re: HP's Adaptive Enterprise-: Message-ID: <bql3j5$24aeu1$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Main, Kerry wrote: > Keith, > ( > Re: Adaptive Enterprise and OpenVMS .. >r> > Yep, virtualization and clustering of computing resources is a huge5 > component of the Adaptive Enterprise (AE) messages.a >r > For the benefit of others -E >F> > OpenVMS has been doing this for years, so it is great to see this9 > renewal of interest in the industry for "utility style"r
 computing. >...  < But when will HP tell the world that VMS has been doing this= for years. Instead HP is going to wait until Windows and Unix < can claim that they can almost do this. Then we are going to9 see ads telling us that HP can do this with no mention ofK; which O/S, or worse they will mention Windows and HP-UX andp% completely forget about VMS (AGAIN!).V  ; > [Yes, users who log into servers for days at a time wouldS have toT > logout/login again]R  6 Totally unrelated, but you comment reminded me; We are9 currently babysitting some VMS machines while the usuallyd> Systems Manager is on vacation. We also heard that the primary> user/programmer was also on vacation for the first week of the: System Manager's vacation. But then we noticed that he was< logged into two different machines, one process showed a log> in time 5 weeks ago, the other was 3 weeks old and running EDT5 at the time. "You know you're a VMS bigot when..." :)e   -- o Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.r Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXt www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:27:54 -0500c: From: Gunther Schadow <gschadowREMOVETHIS@regenstrief.org>2 Subject: Re: HSJ50/HSZ50 RAID Configuration Puzzle. Message-ID: <3FCE1D1A.4010507@regenstrief.org>  
 Thanks, Mike,o  G it's, too bad. How about an HSZ50? If I have a large spare drive can't tB I stripe this and assign one stripe as a spare so that once I pull? out a smaller drive that stripe on the new drive would be used d	 instead? h  A PS: If I have an old HSZ40 that seems to not allow RAID5 (licensetA key issue) is it possible to convince it somehow to do it anyway? @ I'd like to test various options with the HSZ40s that I have at  home.f   thanks,j -Gunther   Mike Naime wrote:a  
 > Gunther: > M > Sorry, but you can not do what you are wanting to do.  The old HSJ's do notrM > support dynamic LUN expansion which is what you want to do.  You can swap abM > larger sized drive for a smaller drive in a raidset (Autospare) but it williE > only give you the storage capacity of the original smaller spindle.O > N > Note: depending on the shelf backplane that you have, you may not be able toJ > use the 36GB disks.  I have an old CI cluster that has 4 HSJ's running 9N > shelves of drives.  When I re-built/reconfigured those drives, I was able toJ > swap 36's for 9's (Blue Bricks), but I was unable to replace the old 4'sK > (green bricks) with 9's, 18, or 36's. (Blue Bricks)   When I asked Compaq>J > about this, they told me that the shelf backplane determined if it would: > accept the SCSI 3 drives, or if it would only do SCSI-2. >  >  > G > Gunther Schadow <gschadowREMOVETHIS@regenstrief.org> wrote in message , > news:bqj0l2$inh$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu... > F >>Hi, is it possible to use different sized disks together in the sameC >>RAID set on an HSJ or HSZ controller? I suppose no, except if theaF >>drives have stripes of the same size then I can combine stripes into >>the same RAID set, right?e >>A >>Now the million dollar question: can you hot-swap a small driveiB >>within a RAID set with a large drive that you then stripe to the6 >>same size as the other small drives in the RAID set? >>E >>We need to consolidate disks and have lots of RZ29Bs at just 4.3 GBA? >>but we want to swap in 36.4 GB drives instead. Our drives are  >>currently not striped at all.a >>% >>I thought I might do the following:  >>B >>(1) Pull a RZ29B out of the shelve, RAID 5 will protect all dataC >>(2) Add a big drive into that slot, configure it with stripes and D >>    add one stripe as a replacement for the "failed" disk into theD >>    RAID set. Then that stripe will be assimilated and data copied0 >>    over automatically by the RAID controller.0 >>(3) Loop to (1) until all drives are replaced. >>D >>Has anyone done something like that before? The problem is I can'tC >>try it because I don't have a spare controller with RAID 5 option B >>available. So I'd need to know if it can be done before I start. >>	 >>thanks,t
 >>-Gunther   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 08:59:04 -0800m& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)C Subject: Re: I wonder if this HP director will resign from HP's BODn= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0312030859.40fb7cb1@posting.google.com>=  s "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<PoIyb.49855$ZmO.14621@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...w > NEWS ALERT > from The Wall Street Journal >  > Dec. 1, 2003 > K > Boeing Co. announced the resignation of Chairman and Chief Executive Phil I > Condit, 62 years old, saying "a new structure for the leadership of theeF > company is needed." The aerospace manufacturer has been plagued withL > controversy over some of its government contracts and the hiring of an AirL > Force official. Director Lewis Platt, 62, was named nonexecutive chairman.L > Retired operating chief and Vice Chairman Harry Stonecipher, 67, was named  > president and chief executive.  D Isn't this the knob who decided to spend too much moving Boeing's HQ? to chi-pit because he liked opera and didn't enjoy being in the ? northwest (probably wasn't getting invited to the best cocktailu parties)?  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Lewis)" Subject: Re: lib$spawn output-file. Message-ID: <bqks7s$97g$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  { JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes in article <3FCD61C5.F4B37CFF@istop.com> dated Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:09:04 -0500:. >Joshua Lehrer wrote:  >> iH >> Is it possible to use the output file parameter (the third parameter)E >> to lib$spawn in order to capture the output of the spawned processc8 >> WITHOUT creating/reading/destroying a temporary file? >6 >Yes, it is possible.  > L >You use SYS$CREMBX to create a mailbox device from the C program.  Give theO >CREMBX  a logical name. It will define that logical name to point to an devicesN >name and assign a channel to it for the parent process. Then, you supply thatM >same logical name to LIB$SPAWN as input and/or output. Make sure you set the / >"NOWAIT" bit to LIB$SPAWN 's options argument.   J Good answer, JF!  However, using the same mailbox as both input and outputK to a process won't work very well.  If you want to do bidirectional I/O you  will need 2 mailboxes.  N >Then, you use SYS$QIO to the mailbox channel to read/write to the subprocess.  F In some languages you can simply open the logical name (or the mailboxJ device name) as if it were a file.  No need for the $QIO.  I've done it in PL/I but not in C/C++.  I >If you do not give a command procedure to LIB$SPAWN and only give it therM >mailbox name as input/output, your subprocess will essentrially give you a $ K >sign where you can write any DCL command to the mailbox and the subprocess G >will exscute it and return to the $ sign. This allows you to reuse theiM >subprocess, thus reducing overhead of subprocess creation. However, it makesoM >it harder to detect when a command has actually finished sending its output.p >vL >If you give a command to execute, the subprocess will terminate when it hasH >completed its command and your mailbox will get an end-of-file message. > N >In your main process, after the subprocess starts executing its commands, youG >need to ensure the parent process will continuously read data from thehD >mailbox, otherwise the subprocess will go into RWMBX state, waitingH >indefonitely for someone to read from the mailbox to empty its buffers.  K Yes, VMS (at least PL/I's "PUT" statement) seems to wait for a read on each L record before continuing.  The ramification of this is that you need to makeK your mailbox big enough to handle the largest "record" (single I/O request,dK possibly multiple lines) which will be sent to it, but making it big enough < to hold more than one doesn't provide any further benefit.    H If you roll your own mailbox I/O on the sending end, using $QIO, you can change this behavior.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 09:29:23 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org" Subject: Re: lib$spawn output-file3 Message-ID: <0uMdMPJrn3bb@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  V In article <3FCD61C5.F4B37CFF@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Joshua Lehrer wrote: >> nH >> Is it possible to use the output file parameter (the third parameter)E >> to lib$spawn in order to capture the output of the spawned processT8 >> WITHOUT creating/reading/destroying a temporary file? >  > Yes, it is possible. > M > You use SYS$CREMBX to create a mailbox device from the C program.  Give the P > CREMBX  a logical name. It will define that logical name to point to an deviceO > name and assign a channel to it for the parent process. Then, you supply that N > same logical name to LIB$SPAWN as input and/or output. Make sure you set the0 > "NOWAIT" bit to LIB$SPAWN 's options argument. > O > Then, you use SYS$QIO to the mailbox channel to read/write to the subprocess.   J The poster is asking specifically about output.  The approach you describe$ is sound.  That's how I would do it.   Let me amplify a bit...e  D The subprocess operates normally.  It just writes to SYS$OUTPUT.  No special coding required.  H You need not use SYS$QIO to read from the mailbox in the parent process.E You can open the mailbox logical name as an ordinary RMS file and use 4 your language built-in I/O routines to read from it.  E Since the output stream is record oriented, and C's I/O stdio library @ is stream oriented, you might want to stay away from fgets styleB reads or test them before use.  I don't know how the CRTL presents> mailbox data through the stream interface.  I would expect theE CRTL read/write interface to behave in the obvious fashion, returningt one record per read.  ; When the subprocess terminates, it will automatically writen; an end-of-file message into the mailbox.  So when your maina= program sees end-of file, that is normally an indication that7F the the subprocess has terminated (or at least has closed SYS$OUTPUT).  < Mailbox I/O is synchronous by default.  That means that when> the subprocess tries to write a line of output to the mailbox,; it will stall until the main process tries to read a recordt@ from the mailbox.  Conversely (and somewhat more obviously) whenA the main process wants to read a line of output from the mailbox,o. it will stall until the subprocess writes one.  J > If you do not give a command procedure to LIB$SPAWN and only give it theN > mailbox name as input/output, your subprocess will essentrially give you a $L > sign where you can write any DCL command to the mailbox and the subprocessH > will exscute it and return to the $ sign. This allows you to reuse theN > subprocess, thus reducing overhead of subprocess creation. However, it makesN > it harder to detect when a command has actually finished sending its output.  E Note that we're talking now about feeding commands to the sub-process"& rather than harvesting output from it.  J One trick that I have used is to send a null input line to the sub-processF using a synchronous write (the default).  This write will not completeE until the sub-process reads its next input line.  And the sub-processdE will not read its next input line until it has finished executing thee3 previous command and generating all related output.e  = So your input data stream to the sub-process might look like:s   $ SHOW USERS $  $ COPY A.DAT B.DAT $e $ DIR /FULL B.DAT  $i  O > In your main process, after the subprocess starts executing its commands, youSH > need to ensure the parent process will continuously read data from theE > mailbox, otherwise the subprocess will go into RWMBX state, waitingkI > indefonitely for someone to read from the mailbox to empty its buffers.a  > By default, you'll be using synchronous I/O and the wait state> will be LEF.  You'd have to be coding your own output routines= in the sub-process using $QIO and the IO$M_NOWAIT modifier tos@ override this default.  Not likely given the poster's situation.  D It is only if you are using the IO$M_NOWAIT modifier on a $QIO writeE from the subprocess that you can get output queued up in the mailbox. F Yes, this can lead to an RWMBX stall (assuming you have system serviceA resource wait mode enabled.  See $SETRWM.  If not, the $QIO failsb, synchronously rather than going into RWMBX).   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 09:18:16 -0600o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n" Subject: Re: lib$spawn output-file3 Message-ID: <D7FSbpndtxDv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <477e0934.0312021901.3a566094@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes:yG > Is it possible to use the output file parameter (the third parameter)sD > to lib$spawn in order to capture the output of the spawned process7 > WITHOUT creating/reading/destroying a temporary file?  > $ > I am calling lib$spawn from C/C++.  E    Look in the I/O User's Guide and understand mailboxes.  These have-F    nothing to do with email, they're used like named pipes in eunichs.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:08:46 +0100e7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: ODS-5 file name/ Message-ID: <bqkua6$e7v$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>y   Hi all,   F I've just ftp-ed files from PC to ODS-5 disk. Files have many dots in  name. When I list directory I- see names like following:e   Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar^.gz.tar;e  : It's OK. But when I try to rename files DCL display error.  L $ rename     Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar^.gz.tar;1      Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar.gzC %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special 2
 characters   \^\o  > How can I use copy, rename etc DCL commands on multidot files?   Thanks in advancet   Robert   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 15:28:13 GMT * From: Terry Aardema <taardema@nrcan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: ODS-5 file name< Message-ID: <Xns9446562A77A19taardemanrcangcca@132.156.36.9>  : Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote in( news:bqkua6$e7v$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl:   < > It's OK. But when I try to rename files DCL display error. > 4 > $ rename     Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar^.gz.tar;1     G > Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar.gz %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimitera# > - check use of special charactersS >   \^\l > @ > How can I use copy, rename etc DCL commands on multidot files?  F What's the setting of your processes /PARSE_STYLE ? I'm betting that a  # $ SET PROCESS /PARSE_STYLE=EXTENDEDt   will solve your problem.  
 Terry Aardemak Systems and Network ManagerrI Natural Resources Canada/Canadian Forest Service/Northern Forestry Centre"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:57:24 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: ODS-5 file name; Message-ID: <3fce15f4.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>w  8 Robert Trawinski (robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl) wrote:H > I've just ftp-ed files from PC to ODS-5 disk. Files have many dots in  > name. When I list directory Ib > see names like following:c >-! > Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar^.gz.tar;t >y< > It's OK. But when I try to rename files DCL display error. >eF > $ rename Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar^.gz.tar;1  Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar.gzE > %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special t > characters >   \^\2 > @ > How can I use copy, rename etc DCL commands on multidot files?   Prepend to your commandr   $ set process /parse=extended   ? It's documented (apart from the DCL dictionary) in the Guide to- Extended Filenames.    cu,e   Martin -- 0D                        |  Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1   OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.deaE   KNOW where you want  |     http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 8   to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:45:09 +0000aO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> C Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashingn0 Message-ID: <bql3ul$c5s$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   B.Eckstein wrote:s+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002  > " > Yeah, that's a success story :-) >      It would be it it wasn't:   
 A Old news B Complete toshy   Regardsl Andrew Harrisons   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:37:02 +0100I From: "B.Eckstein" <eck@ivu.de>s? Subject: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashingp- Message-ID: <bql3ff$m6r$1@swifty.westend.com>   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002n    Yeah, that's a success story :-)   -- SG B.Eckstein, eck@ivu.de         Cheap, Fast, Good - pick any two of themA9 Die FAQ zu de.comp.hardware.netzwerke: http://how.to/dchntG Mozilla-Tips: http://mozilla-anleitung.de/ http://www.holgermetzger.de/   D "Auch wenn ich die Funktionsweise dieser Konsole nicht kenne, glaube# ich nicht, dass sie rauchen sollte"d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:13:54 +0100  From: "B.Eckstein" <eck@ivu.de>DC Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashingR- Message-ID: <bql95d$re8$3@swifty.westend.com>C  , B.Eckstein schrub im Jahre 03.12.2003 17:37:  + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002n  G Oops, sorry, I didn't saw Bobs and Nics postings. Such stories are the -5 seldom found water in the desert of VMS-marketing ;-)    -- @G B.Eckstein, eck@ivu.de         Cheap, Fast, Good - pick any two of them 9 Die FAQ zu de.comp.hardware.netzwerke: http://how.to/dchneG Mozilla-Tips: http://mozilla-anleitung.de/ http://www.holgermetzger.de/c  D "Auch wenn ich die Funktionsweise dieser Konsole nicht kenne, glaube# ich nicht, dass sie rauchen sollte"t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:33:42 +0100S* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>C Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashingo0 Message-ID: <3FCE3A96.7F75C848@sture.homeip.net>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > B.Eckstein wrote:e- > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002  > >-$ > > Yeah, that's a success story :-) > >0 >  > It would be it it wasn't:  >  > A Old news > B Complete tosht >   E I have to assume that you are referring to the Techwise report, since3@ the Dutch story is *definitely not* either "old news" or "tosh".  ( Try reading the original story posted at  :  http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/11/28/7758863  2 and tell us how it is anything else but a success.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:17:06 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG> Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software0 Message-ID: <00A29CED.912C8EA0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <3FCD35BC.836E30AC@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:0 >Unfortunatly, this is NOT an April Fool's joke. >nD >http://wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,61412,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6 >m >##yI >Cars with the Microsoft software will speak up when it's time for an oilgF >change. They'll warn drivers about wrecks on the road ahead and scoutN >alternative routes. They'll pay freeway tolls automatically. ****The software9 >running their brakes will upgrade itself wirelessly ****y >SL >The Microsoft platform already is in 23 different car models, including theN >BMW 7 series, Citroen, Daimler, Fiat, Volvo, Hyundai,  Mitsubishi, Subaru and	 >Toyota. t >##   @ I won't be buying any of those models in the foreseeable future!? If I'm going to have a car crash, it won't be because of shoddy(5 Micro$oft products... more likely a shoddy NJ driver.r -- nL VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            05   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" .   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:08:23 -05005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>.> Subject: RE: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft softwareQ Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D502D06B8E@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>n  E "By inserting your key into the ignition, you waive all rights to any.B damages, incidental or not, incurred by the software installed notF performing a specific task adequatly.  MS reserves the right to changeH functionality at their discretion.  We are indemnified from any possible: prosecution due to any features included in the software.    (or somesuch :-) )   -----Original Message-----F From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net] ( Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:32 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comb> Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software     JF Mezei wrote:g > 1 > Unfortunatly, this is NOT an April Fool's joke.r > E > http://wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,61412,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6  >  > ##G > Cars with the Microsoft software will speak up when it's time for an CF > oil change. They'll warn drivers about wrecks on the road ahead and E > scout alternative routes. They'll pay freeway tolls automatically. -G > ****The software running their brakes will upgrade itself wirelessly D > **** > @ > The Microsoft platform already is in 23 different car models, G > including the BMW 7 series, Citroen, Daimler, Fiat, Volvo, Hyundai,  1# > Mitsubishi, Subaru and Toyota. ##n  ? so, when accidents result from spontaneous crashes, viruses andeI what-have-you, M$ will face the liability suits. Great news. Their end is0 near!5   -- a David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  H Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  ) -----------------------------------------s The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of  the original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such orders and/or instructions.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:23:24 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e> Subject: RE: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEGCIJAA.tom@kednos.com>   C Just hope there is no BSOD.  There is no liability because you mustn2 click the ACCEPT button before the car will start.   >-----Original Message-----t; >From: Bochnik, William J [mailto:William_Bochnik@acml.com] + >Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:08 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com? >Subject: RE: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft softwarel >e >xF >"By inserting your key into the ignition, you waive all rights to anyC >damages, incidental or not, incurred by the software installed noteG >performing a specific task adequatly.  MS reserves the right to changeaI >functionality at their discretion.  We are indemnified from any possibles; >prosecution due to any features included in the software.   >u >(or somesuch :-) )o >  >-----Original Message-----iG >From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net]  ) >Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:32 PMd >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com? >Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft softwarer >y >t >JF Mezei wrote: >>  2 >> Unfortunatly, this is NOT an April Fool's joke. >> aF >> http://wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,61412,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6 >> i >> ##uH >> Cars with the Microsoft software will speak up when it's time for an G >> oil change. They'll warn drivers about wrecks on the road ahead and 0F >> scout alternative routes. They'll pay freeway tolls automatically. H >> ****The software running their brakes will upgrade itself wirelessly  >> ****. >>  A >> The Microsoft platform already is in 23 different car models, .H >> including the BMW 7 series, Citroen, Daimler, Fiat, Volvo, Hyundai,  $ >> Mitsubishi, Subaru and Toyota. ## >t@ >so, when accidents result from spontaneous crashes, viruses andJ >what-have-you, M$ will face the liability suits. Great news. Their end is >near! >e >--  >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/d > I >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u >i* >-----------------------------------------< >The information contained in this transmission may contain B >privileged and confidential information and is intended only for C >the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended fD >recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this ? >message to the intended recipient, any review, dissemination, -? >distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly MC >prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact EB >the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of A >the original message. Please note that we do not accept account dA >orders and/or instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be s> >responsible for carrying out such orders and/or instructions. >v >n >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003 >i ---s& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 09:15:00 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t> Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software3 Message-ID: <TOvA+Oy+rU0S@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3FCD35BC.836E30AC@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:1 > Unfortunatly, this is NOT an April Fool's joke.  > E > http://wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,61412,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6  >  > ##J > Cars with the Microsoft software will speak up when it's time for an oilG > change. They'll warn drivers about wrecks on the road ahead and scout O > alternative routes. They'll pay freeway tolls automatically. ****The softwaret: > running their brakes will upgrade itself wirelessly **** > M > The Microsoft platform already is in 23 different car models, including theuO > BMW 7 series, Citroen, Daimler, Fiat, Volvo, Hyundai,  Mitsubishi, Subaru anda
 > Toyota.  > ##  F    A luxury car running Windows CE was already cited as having trappedF    it's owner with door locks and windows stuck in a hot climate.  TheC    report indicated the owner was able to get an officer to break au    window and let him out.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:46:21 -0700t+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>e> Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software' Message-ID: <3FCE054D.1010900@MMaz.com>    Tom Linden wrote:o  D >Just hope there is no BSOD.  There is no liability because you must3 >click the ACCEPT button before the car will start.  >i >  p >oH What about at COMDEX where MS had a voice activated SUV.  I didn't have > the heart to ask what happens with Windows BSOD's at 85 MPH...   Barrym   -- h  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:50:52 -0600( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>> Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software/ Message-ID: <00A29D13.C8E657AA.5@tachysoft.com>n  & >Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:32:25 -0600A >From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>n >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms? >Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft softwarePE >Reply-To: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>    >JF Mezei wrote: >> s2 >> Unfortunatly, this is NOT an April Fool's joke. >>  F >> http://wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,61412,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6 >> r >> ##,K >> Cars with the Microsoft software will speak up when it's time for an oil H >> change. They'll warn drivers about wrecks on the road ahead and scoutP >> alternative routes. They'll pay freeway tolls automatically. ****The software; >> running their brakes will upgrade itself wirelessly ****p >> .N >> The Microsoft platform already is in 23 different car models, including theP >> BMW 7 series, Citroen, Daimler, Fiat, Volvo, Hyundai,  Mitsubishi, Subaru and
 >> Toyota. >> ##w >r@ >so, when accidents result from spontaneous crashes, viruses andG >what-have-you, M$ will face the liability suits. Great news. Their ende	 >is near!  >u  M Yeah, but if you're the one who dies in the crash, getting rid of billy won't K help you much.  If somebody *else* dies for microsoft's sins, then yes, youe, might get the benefit of a billy-free world.  N I'm actually getting ready to buy a new car, and since Daimler is on the list,N I guess that rules out the Crossfire.  Fortunately, all of the above appear toG be foreign cars, and I never buy those.  I wouldn't have considered thef2 Crossfire if it was not a Daimler-Chrysler hybrid.  = I'll have to look at the complete list to know what to avoid..   WaynewO ===============================================================================sN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   rO ===============================================================================0H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"S   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:09:57 GMTs* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>> Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software5 Message-ID: <031220031209562148%paul.anderson@hp.com>a  2 In article <3FCD35BC.836E30AC@istop.com>, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  ? > The Microsoft platform already is in 23 different car models,oF > including the BMW 7 series, Citroen, Daimler, Fiat, Volvo, Hyundai,   > Mitsubishi, Subaru and Toyota.   This is frightening.  F You can be sure that the next time I buy a car I will make _absolutely- sure_ there is *no* Microsoft software in it.r   Paul   -- e  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:23:53 -0800e/ From: Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com>o> Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software/ Message-ID: <vss71al3kjp185@corp.supernews.com>l   More details fromd  B http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/Press/2002/Mar02/03-04BMWpr.asp   --  2 Microsoft Technology Hits the Road in BMW 7 Series  J Microsoft Navigates the Automotive Industry, Enhances the Driver Experien= ce  J REDMOND, Wash. -- March 4, 2002 -- Microsoft Corp. today announced that=20I the BMW 7 Series, the line of cars introduced last month in the United=20eF States, features Microsoft=92s robust, real-time embedded operating=20J system, Windows=AE CE. This announcement comes shortly after Microsoft=92= s=20H Automotive Business Unit launched Windows CE for Automotive v3.5, the=20J newest version of its telematics software platform based on Windows CE,=20F and announced an end-to-end solution to enable the auto industry to=20G cost-effectively implement and maintain advanced automotive telematics.n  J Siemens VDO Automotive AG, the preferred navigation supplier of BMW, is=20J using the Microsoft=AE Windows CE operating system in the Control Display= ,=20D which is part of the innovative BMW iDrive concept. Microsoft=92s=20D technology is available to BMW motorists worldwide, delivering an=20% advanced in-car computing experience.5  J "When we heard about BMW=92s telematics vision, we knew the exceptional=20D quality in Microsoft technology would fit hand-in-hand," said Bob=20J McKenzie, general manager of Microsoft=92s Automotive Business Unit. "The= =20iJ iDrive concept is a unique one, and we=92re proud to power the graphical =  ' user interface in the Control Display."e  J The iDrive concept and the Control Display enable easy operation of, and =  J convenient access to, the myriad of features at the driver=92s disposal, =  I including the navigation, telephone, climate control and entertainment=20-H systems. This presents a bold new concept for interaction between the=20J driver and automobile. The BMW 7 Series was launched in Germany in fall=20F 2001. It is now available in North America and will be available in=20 other markets this spring.  B This is the first of several related announcements to come from=20' Microsoft=92s Automotive Business Unit.A   --=20r
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:49:55 -0800e% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>a> Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software( Message-ID: <3FCE2243.5050705@rdrop.com>   JF Mezei wrote:o  1 > Unfortunatly, this is NOT an April Fool's joke.h > E > http://wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,61412,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6o  F Yesterday, a friend from the Seattle area reported seeing a Hummer H2 I with www.microsoft.com/automotive emblazoned all over it. Shortly after, e@ he saw it again- pulled over for abusing the HOV (carpool) lane.  H I'm not sure what's scarier- that brake "software" (ABS?) would be able E to upgrade itself (buggy patch? virus? system crash mid-upgrade?) or OH that it would _need_ an upgrade in the first place. Which is the lesser  of evils? Eek...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:13:11 +0100g* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>> Subject: Re: OT Very scary: Cars running on Microsoft software0 Message-ID: <3FCE35C7.4289B873@sture.homeip.net>   Greg Cagle wrote:a >  > JF Mezei wrote:l3 > > Unfortunatly, this is NOT an April Fool's joke.m > >mG > > http://wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,61412,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6  > >a > > ##L > > Cars with the Microsoft software will speak up when it's time for an oilI > > change. They'll warn drivers about wrecks on the road ahead and scoutrQ > > alternative routes. They'll pay freeway tolls automatically. ****The softwarem< > > running their brakes will upgrade itself wirelessly **** > >nO > > The Microsoft platform already is in 23 different car models, including theyQ > > BMW 7 series, Citroen, Daimler, Fiat, Volvo, Hyundai,  Mitsubishi, Subaru andc > > Toyota.  > > ## > C > But not at the level discussed in the paragraph you've quoted. MyfB > understanding is that the much-maligned iDrive system in BMWs is@ > build on a derivative of Windows CE. It controls the radio andC > ventilation and other secondary functions. It *will* remind aboutnF > oil changes, but BMWs have had that for years without Microsoft 8^).7 > The other stuff mentioned is vaporware at this point.> > 2 > btw I understand that Audis run Linux - no joke. >   ? Hmm. I've just had the anti-theft unit replaced on mine because @ sometimes the motor would cut out a second or so after starting.? Electrical fault or embedded software problem - I have no idea.n   -- m
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 02:51:42 -0800 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: OT: Post Test= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0312030251.38af03ab@posting.google.com>a  A I posted messages yesterday and they are not in the message list.u' Any kind of problems with this group ? @   Regards>   FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:18:33 GMTe2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>$ Subject: Re: OT: What's next for HP?> Message-ID: <Zgmzb.68570$I53.3068556@twister.southeast.rr.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagec# news:3FCD4A59.888A8405@istop.com...p > John Smith wrote:yG > > Pretty soon there will be HP-branded toasters, irons, and carly(tm) " > > autograph model curling irons.   [snip]  D > A long long long way from the Hewlett Packard line of high quality scientific products.   -------------------------- HP trying to become more hipK http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/02/BUG7122DCI1.DTL>  J "We were viewed as somewhat stodgy, conservative, not very human," WinklerF said. "Some would say we've missed a generation relating to teenagers,F consumers, younger buyers, because we were viewed as a large corporate3 engineering (firm), relatively inhuman -- not hip."o   ...L  E The campaign also points to the growing importance of marketing as HPcH evolves from a technology firm focused mainly on business executives andI engineers to one that's trying to appeal to ordinary consumers, including<
 young people.o   ...S  L The campaign aims to turn the HP brand into a pop culture brand like Coke or Nike.c   ...l  G "When you think of HP, what do you think of?" said Jef Loeb, founder ofe/ Brainchild Creative ad agency in San Francisco.g  K "You think of high-end scientific machines. You don't really think of HP asfH consumers who are going to say, 'That's cool' like Sony or 'That's hip,'K like Apple. You think of HP as a big player, but they don't have that brandh cachet to be cool."m --------------------------  9 That says it all.  They would rather serve your teenager.-   K-   -- Kenneth Farmer  <><  OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org@   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:43:50 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>.$ Subject: Re: OT: What's next for HP?L Message-ID: <GEmzb.126258$Fv8.56094@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Ken Farmer wrote:s9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messageu% > news:3FCD4A59.888A8405@istop.com...  >> John Smith wrote:G >>> Pretty soon there will be HP-branded toasters, irons, and carly(tm)d" >>> autograph model curling irons. >Y > [snip] >sE >> A long long long way from the Hewlett Packard line of high qualityr >> scientific products.  >l > -------------------------- > HP trying to become more hip >cK http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/02/BUG7122DCI1.DTL  >tD > "We were viewed as somewhat stodgy, conservative, not very human,"E > Winkler said. "Some would say we've missed a generation relating tosC > teenagers, consumers, younger buyers, because we were viewed as aoE > large corporate engineering (firm), relatively inhuman -- not hip."o >  > ...e > G > The campaign also points to the growing importance of marketing as HP F > evolves from a technology firm focused mainly on business executivesE > and engineers to one that's trying to appeal to ordinary consumers,h > including young people.L >b > ...i >/F > The campaign aims to turn the HP brand into a pop culture brand like > Coke or Nike.b >n > ...i >tF > "When you think of HP, what do you think of?" said Jef Loeb, founder4 > of Brainchild Creative ad agency in San Francisco. >cG > "You think of high-end scientific machines. You don't really think of B > HP as consumers who are going to say, 'That's cool' like Sony orE > 'That's hip,' like Apple. You think of HP as a big player, but theys+ > don't have that brand cachet to be cool."c > -------------------------- > ; > That says it all.  They would rather serve your teenager.a     "Do you want fries with that ?".  E I guess their consumer advertising will soon be asking if you want tom+ super-size your computer for 39 cents more.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:06:01 +0000w* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp ' Message-ID: <bqkch4$bu2$1@lore.csc.com>    "Martin P.J. Zinser" wrote:f >   D Some great portraits there, if you don't do this professionally, you should consider it!    -- i? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest nclews at csc dot comi   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:30:22 GMTa" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamph0 Message-ID: <00A29CEF.6BFFF4D7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  r In article <bqjki0$22vgp5$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> writes: >Hello,  >-L >I've finally managed to put the pictures from the bootcamp up on my server. >mA >All the stuff: http://zinser.no-ip.info/vms/fun/bc2003-pic.htmlxM  D http://zinser.no-ip.info/www/img/bc2003/preview/2581000-r1-005-1.jpg Bill Johnson and ???   -- mL VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            i5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:25:19 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcampM0 Message-ID: <00A29CEE.B6ED65E1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  r In article <bqjki0$22vgp5$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> writes: >Hello,  > L >I've finally managed to put the pictures from the bootcamp up on my server. >nA >All the stuff: http://zinser.no-ip.info/vms/fun/bc2003-pic.htmlxW >sI >A cov/Info-VAX selection: http://zinser.no-ip.info/vms/fun/cov-pic.htmlxe >w >eJ ># The various pictures I took during the OpenVMS bootcamp show "private" H >            persons in the sense, that they all do have full rights on I >their own pictures. Since all of the pictures are pretty harmless, I do OI >operate on the principle, that it is easier to ask for forgiveness than o= >for permission and have made them available on this website.lJ >In case anybody of the depicted persons does have objections about being F >shown here in general or a particular picture of him/herself, please 2 >drop me a note and I shall remove the image asap.J ># On the other hand I know that a number of the victims of my camera run I >their own business. If you want your name linked to an email address or  B >company website, please inform me and I will try to arrange that.I ># I am grateful for any corrections concerning names, job functions etc.t" ># These are "Open" pictures, i.e. >dE >    1. For your private use you can do whatever you want with these dJ >pictures as long as you do not interfere with the personal rights of the  >depicted persons.H >    2. If anybody does contemplate using them in a commercial setting, B >you are welcome to do so at no charge. I do ask you to include a J >copyright notice with the picture and would appreciate information about  >the usage. F >    3. There is no warranty whatsoever concerning the quality of the @ >pictures. If you do not like them, just look somewhere else ;-) >uG ># Since each of the fullsized pictures is about 1 MB size, or because P? >you just like papercopies better, here are two offers for you:b >cG >    1. Papercopies of the pictures are available at 0.50 USD per copy.m4 >    2. A CD with all the pictures will be 4.50 USD. > J >A flat shipping and handling charge of 0.50/1.00 USD (US vs. rest of the E >world) applies per order. Payment method will be determined in case    >anybody takes me up on this ;-) >  >Greetings, Martin >t    E http://zinser.no-ip.info/www/img/bc2003/preview/2581000-r1-033-15.jpgs
 John Malmberg   E http://zinser.no-ip.info/www/img/bc2003/preview/2582000-r1-035-16.jpglE http://zinser.no-ip.info/www/img/bc2003/preview/2582000-r1-037-17.jpg.
 Paul Andersonl   For starters...i   -- uL VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            n5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" d   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:34:15 GMTs" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp 0 Message-ID: <00A29CEF.F6981CD7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <bqkch4$bu2$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes: >"Martin P.J. Zinser" wrote: >> a >oE >Some great portraits there, if you don't do this professionally, youo >should consider it!  6 I've noticed that he doesn't do self-portraits though.   -- lL VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM            n5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:59:22 +0000e* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcampt' Message-ID: <bqkj5n$e4f$1@lore.csc.com>u   "Martin P.J. Zinser" wrote:i >   = http://zinser.no-ip.info/www/img/bc2003/2582000-r1-027-12.jpgr= http://zinser.no-ip.info/www/img/bc2003/2582000-r1-029-13.jpgy   HP's Paul Dolan.   -- n? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com8   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:12:46 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp03 Message-ID: <ybmzb.10008$Br6.2245@news.cpqcorp.net>l  A Actually, making private pictures of people visible to the publicl> is illegal in all states of the U.S.A. that I am aware of, and has been for a long time.a  > Selling, or even giving away, pictures of people without their8 consent (without a proper release form) is also illegal.  = I am less certain about the laws in Canada and other parts of ( the world, but they're probably similar.  ; There are some exceptions for bonifide news events reported : by valid news organizations and persons, but I don't think this qualifies here.  = It's true that these laws are being regularly ignored in most$> areas these days, and I doubt if any of the people depicted onA your web site will take legal action.  But if any of the picturesi@ is ever misused you could find yourself in very serious trouble.B You don't have the right to tell people they can use the pictures, even for private use.-  > I'm not trying to be a scare monger, I'm trying to make this a> friendly reminder that you really should learn more about what/ you're actually doing before you do more of it.e   -- c(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have am5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:29:59 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>o/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp.. Message-ID: <3FCE0E35.E9D5451@eps.zko.dec.com>   "Martin P.J. Zinser" wrote:i   > Hello, > M > I've finally managed to put the pictures from the bootcamp up on my server.c >aB > All the stuff: http://zinser.no-ip.info/vms/fun/bc2003-pic.htmlx   Some more names:  % 2583000-r1-051-24.jpg Gerrit woertmanT  2 2581000-r1-007-2.jpg Craig Showers (in the middle)  0 2582000-r1-033-15.jpg John AtoZ (Andruszkiewicz)   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 08:22:46 -0800-" From: horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn)$ Subject: Problems starting TCPIP$NTP= Message-ID: <843706dc.0312030822.43c61fc3@posting.google.com>a  @ While trying to start TCPIP$NTP on 7.3-1, I'm getting the error:  : VMS timekeeping is not working as expected - can't proceed  C I've seen the post about the patch, have applied the patch, but I'm 1 still getting this same message. Any suggestions?l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:10:08 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)( Subject: Re: Problems starting TCPIP$NTP; Message-ID: <3fce2700.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>i  # James T Horn (horn@shsu.edu) wrote:cB > While trying to start TCPIP$NTP on 7.3-1, I'm getting the error: >l< > VMS timekeeping is not working as expected - can't proceed >eE > I've seen the post about the patch, have applied the patch, but I'me3 > still getting this same message. Any suggestions?   , Is DTSS up and running (part of DECnet PhV)?  < If that is the case: DTSS blocks the $SETIME system service.  G In some VMS versions there is a C file in SYS$EXAMPLES: that implementsvD a DTSS time provider that uses NTP (sorry to be fuzzy - I don't have* access to any such VMS version right now).  0 Another possibility would be to switch off DTSS.   cu,a   Martin -- HG So long, and thanks        | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4 for all the books...       | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK In Memoriam Douglas Adams  |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/i;             1952-2001      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.det   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:56:04 +0000w* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>% Subject: Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS0' Message-ID: <bqkff2$d1n$1@lore.csc.com>j   Shiva MahaDeva wrote:e > [ > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<bqhq7c$eck$1@lore.csc.com>...t ...> rK > It doesnt work, Im receiving "software header CRC error" message again.n  G The problem could be in the original transfer of the files from the VMSdH system to the other platform, a problem could have been introduced whichE is going to be more difficult to correct. Was the convert successful?n  - Hoff's right "it doesn't work" isn't helpful.c  , a DIR/FULL on the failing file posted here..  4 a DIR/FULL on an RBF file that DOES work posted here  H Also version identification of products you are using, operating system, database, etc.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesc nclews at csc dot com0   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 08:30:24 -0600o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a5 Subject: Re: recommendations for page/swap/dump filest3 Message-ID: <xZEZrsEXavFq@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  w In article <bqhhmg$ek7$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:l > F > I've never actually experienced the situation.  If I have page/swap J > files on both the system disk and another disk, and the other disk goes  > down, will it crash the node?-  C    As in all things, it depends.  Satellites having local page/swapmI    disks will page/swap over the network to the boot server if they loosegI    the local files (or at least that's what the Deccie told me).  We had rH    an occaisional problem with the disk in a VAXStation 2000 that would K    make it do this with it's MicroVAX II server.  You get to find out real      fast what "slow" means.  G    And you can always open secondary swap files on other spindles, but  G    they're all active, not fallbacks.  You could invent schemes wherebyiF    you only opened them on a fallback basis, but it could be paintfullC    trying to get the commands in while the system is with page/swap5	    files.   E    You may also find that if VMS needs to swap or page in from a file-@    on a failed disk that there's nothing you can do to "fix" it.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:40:19 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com= Subject: Re[2]: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutesFQ Message-ID: <OFEE1A3F06.4DA7F416-ON85256DF1.0052FE45-85256DF1.005BE176@metso.com>a   Thanks.s  I thought I had turned this off." Is there a way to make this stick?  ! [I just found these differences:]#< My current dt.resources file contains these three lines that: my older one did not.  Should not this have eliminated the: problem?  (I must have asked a similar question around the? screensaver back after I upgraded to V7.3-1 and upgraded Motif,b@ as I do not work with Motif, so I do not parse these variables.)  1 $ dif [.current]dt.resources [.current_old]/mat=1g ************; File SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.DT.SESSIONS.CURRENT]DT.RESOURCES;1u1     1   dtsession*extension.lockTimeout:        0 :     2   dtsession*extension.saverList:  StartDtscreenBlank"    10   Dtstyle*lockoutScale:   30 ******? File SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.DT.SESSIONS.CURRENT_OLD]DT.RESOURCES;1n ************    6 From:  VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG on 12/02/2003 12:33 PM  , Please respond to VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG       To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:-  = Subject:    Re: DTSESSION creates asubprocess every 3 minutes     
 In articleF <OFC95FD972.C7B95537-ON85256DF0.005B7451-85256DF0.005C6641@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: >DI >Why is my Console DTSESSION creating and ending a subprocess every three 	 >minutes?n >What is it doing/trying to do?  >v >[snip]h  D Open the Style Manager and click on the Screen icon.  Check the timeB setting for the "Time for Background".  If you have only one back-E ground selected make the time period as L-O-N-G as possible.  I found 2 this problem myself when CDE was first introduced. --0 VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  5    "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"k   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:54:37 GMTo& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday8 Message-ID: <sqqrsv448cpp3pup65eri943ir544u7bqh@4ax.com>  G On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:18:10 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>t wrote:   >f4 >"jlsue" <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message3 >news:e0apsvg1qs4uc1r3v1mpo826h7onfgu130@4ax.com...aK >> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:01:42 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>a	 >> wrote:* >h >... >eJ >> >If you're really trying to understand, you're clearly incompetent.  IfK >> >you're not actually having such difficulty understanding, you're a liar  >(ands >> >a shill as well).t >> > >>L >> Ah well.  In the wonder universe of Bill Todd, everyone who doesn't agree' >> with him is incompetent, lying, etc.h >hH >What a grandiose generalization - to assume that just because *you* areF >incompetent (or worse) then *everyone* who disagrees with me must be. > M >But you have managed to make it clear that you're not worth wasting any more-	 >time on.- >-   Ditto ol' buddy.   --- jlso0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:06:59 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday8 Message-ID: <dsqrsvsjqnqu049e2qjk2itk0u100833uh@4ax.com>  E On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:42:14 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancys. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote:o   >> eK >> But.... what did it DELIVER?  I have read over-and-over in here that theaK >> performance isn't all that stellar.  You've made some statements to that- >> effect, as well as JF, etc. >> 8 > G >Does it actually matter, the point is that Sun has made the investmentn >and continues to do so.  J While the second part of the statement is true, the point is orthogonal to: a discussion about comparing "commitments" from companies.  H It matters in the sense that all that "investment" doesn't mean squat ifC the commitment isn't there (e.g., additional investment) to make itn compete.   >eC >1 SPARC still continues to be developed, there are in fact 3 majorT= >processor families currently being designed. Alpha does not.i  H Yes, there are continuing investments in SPARC and not so much in Alpha. Given.  G However, continuing investments does not necessarily mean that Sun willtB actually *deliver* on these "promises", based on past performance.   I'm willing to wait and see.   > D >2 SPARC is the market leader in the 64bit general purpose processorD >space, by units, by revenues by ISV support so whatever your pointsE >are about non delivery the market doesn't agree with you. The market], >never agreed with your assessment of Alpha.  G What assessment of Alpha are you referring to?  And why bring in marketMG presence - yet again - when that's not the point being discussed?  It's K about business commitment to the platform - and unless it actually delivers6I a system based on the research investments, it's tough to tell how strongw the real commitment is.'   >eG >3 A number of the Alpha processor designers now work for Sun designingeB >SPARC processors there has been no flow the other way, why ? Well >thats obvious isn't it.  E Although it bodes well for SPARC to have those engineers, we're still>J talking future.  Vapor.  But hey, I don't begrudge Sun the chance to bringJ it's systems up-to-speed.  I'm not disparaging Sun in any way, really.  It4 was a comparison of business decisions and delivery.   >uG >You attempts to try to compare SPARC with Alpha just don't wash, theree= >is no comparison and you must be bright enough to know this.D >d  I Within the context of the discussion, the parallel from a customer's viewoH of systems actually delivered, could certainly lead one to feel that theK business commitment to SPARC wasn't really all that great.  The future sures' looks great, but it almost always does.n   --- jlsa0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:08:40 GMTi& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday8 Message-ID: <5jrrsvck83jvkcl39pn4l328opo1c0cg7b@4ax.com>  E On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:44:57 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancya. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote:l >oM >> And at the time of the announcement, Tru64 *was* planned for IA64 porting, M >> so there would be, theoretically, much less effort required to move to thee >> new platform. >> o > > >And as we know that planned porting excercise was dropped and  H So what?  Don't get in the middle of yet another conversation and ignore8 the context yet again just to make jabs at a dead horse.  ; >subsequently the plan to incorporate Tru64 technology into-; >HP-UX has also slipped (could resourcing be at the root of  >the problem).  J Slipped how?  TruCluster and ADVfs was demo'd at a public forum somewhere, or so I thought.   --- jlss0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:29:40 +0000aO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>oB Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday0 Message-ID: <bqks0k$9b7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:G > On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:42:14 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyf0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >>jlsue wrote: >  > K >>>But.... what did it DELIVER?  I have read over-and-over in here that theMK >>>performance isn't all that stellar.  You've made some statements to thatE >>>effect, as well as JF, etc. >>>  >>H >>Does it actually matter, the point is that Sun has made the investment >>and continues to do so.  >  > L > While the second part of the statement is true, the point is orthogonal to< > a discussion about comparing "commitments" from companies. > J > It matters in the sense that all that "investment" doesn't mean squat ifE > the commitment isn't there (e.g., additional investment) to make iti
 > compete. >  > D >>1 SPARC still continues to be developed, there are in fact 3 major> >>processor families currently being designed. Alpha does not. >  > J > Yes, there are continuing investments in SPARC and not so much in Alpha. > Given. > I > However, continuing investments does not necessarily mean that Sun willrD > actually *deliver* on these "promises", based on past performance. >  > I'm willing to wait and see. >  > E >>2 SPARC is the market leader in the 64bit general purpose processor E >>space, by units, by revenues by ISV support so whatever your points0F >>are about non delivery the market doesn't agree with you. The market- >>never agreed with your assessment of Alpha.a >  > I > What assessment of Alpha are you referring to?  And why bring in market3I > presence - yet again - when that's not the point being discussed?  It'stM > about business commitment to the platform - and unless it actually deliverscK > a system based on the research investments, it's tough to tell how strongi > the real commitment is.t  G Why bring the market in ?? Well because in an unconstrained market with:G competing products the leaders are normally the ones that deliver what # the market wants.e  B And in the datacenter server market one of the key things that the= market wants is delivery against commitments, consistency andt investment preservation.  > This doesn't just apply to customers but also to ISV's who areB equally effected by non delivery inconsistency and poor investment protection.f  C At no time in Alpha's life was it any better than 4th in the markete? hardly supprising given the track record of its owners in termsdD of failure to deliver, failure of consistency and lack of investment protection.s  F What ever you may think of the market it judged you, found you wantingB and spat you out and one huge factor was a track record of failure to deliver against commitments.'   Alpha-NT Alpha-PC GS Alpha cancelled  EV8i EV79
 Tru64 delayedy etc etc.    K > Within the context of the discussion, the parallel from a customer's view J > of systems actually delivered, could certainly lead one to feel that theM > business commitment to SPARC wasn't really all that great.  The future sureb) > looks great, but it almost always does.  >s  B Sorry but the market/customers don't agree with you and never have> why did all those people who didn't buy Alphas in their droves= buy SPARC based systems instead. Why did Gartner always score=/ SPARC higher than Alpha in terms of longevity ?    Regards7 Andrew Harrisono   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:32:47 +0000=O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>lB Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday0 Message-ID: <bqks6g$9b7$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:G > On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:44:57 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyd0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >>jlsue wrote: >> >>M >>>And at the time of the announcement, Tru64 *was* planned for IA64 porting,eM >>>so there would be, theoretically, much less effort required to move to the  >>>new platform. >>>m >>? >>And as we know that planned porting excercise was dropped ands >  > J > So what?  Don't get in the middle of yet another conversation and ignore: > the context yet again just to make jabs at a dead horse. >  > < >>subsequently the plan to incorporate Tru64 technology into< >>HP-UX has also slipped (could resourcing be at the root of >>the problem).k >  > L > Slipped how?  TruCluster and ADVfs was demo'd at a public forum somewhere, > or so I thought. >   = Demoed yes but HP have also recently announced a 1 year delayn! on releasing the actual products.-  B MS do demos at public forums don't fall into their modus operandi.   Regardso Andrew Harrisons   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 07:45:48 -0500d3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>e$ Subject: Re: tcpip nfs mount problem0 Message-ID: <zKSdnSngaP1jR1CiRVn-gQ@comcast.com>  I Add a logical name to your mount command!  Use the logical name to refer uG to that mount.   I can't think of a single instance in which you would r need the DNF number.  F Using a physical device name, particularly for a disk, is just asking  for trouble!  	 MB wrote:e   >Hi, >nF >I am writing a DCL procedure to mount via nfs tcp(5.1) version a disk >on a remote server. >t. >$ TCPIP MOUNT DNF0: /HOST="K9" /PATH="/DISKx" >tE >How does one obtain the next DNFx number that is used, as each time e2 >you mount a disk it uses a uses the next number.  >i> >If is try and force to to dnf10: it just start from 10 again. >i' >I know I could use do something like:-p >t >$ def sys$output t.tmp G >and then read in the line to find out what device it has use, but thiss >look very messy.. >i >v >a >markB >  t >s   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 06:47:51 -08005 From: mb301@hotmail.com (MB)$ Subject: Re: tcpip nfs mount problem< Message-ID: <1d08b916.0312030647.67df274@posting.google.com>  " Can anyone explain the following:-  ? Why do the lexical functions work for a UNIX server and not foriA OpenVMS server running the same o/s (7.2-1) and tcpip 5.1 (eco+5)l   $ SH DEV DNr  F Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free 	 Trans MntaF  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks	 Count Cntr. DNFS0:        (DOG)     Online               0F DNFS2:        (DOG)     Mounted              0  UNX:/         71707088	     1   1oF DNFS35:       (DOG)     Mounted              0  ALPHA1:/     *********	     1   1a  ' $ FREE=F$GETDVI("DNFS35:","FREEBLOCKS")o  
 $ SH SYM FREEr9   FREE = 1000000000   Hex = 3B9ACA00  Octal = 07346545000s  $ $ MAX=F$GETDVI("DNFS35:","MAXBLOCK")   $ SH SYM MAX5   MAX = 8388608   Hex = 00800000  Octal = 00040000000   ! This looks like a limitation.....t   Any ideas anyone????   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:07:02 -0500m* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>8 Subject: TCPIP Services 5.3 Traceroute on 3100 very slow) Message-ID: <3FCDA7AB.5DAFFE2C@istop.com>F  K A while ago, I had asked why traceroute on a Vaxstation 3100 with TCPIP 5.3pK provided extra long times (90 to 130ms to the router on the sale ethernet),,M while the Microvax II with 5.0 exhibited only 10-20ms times (sometimes at 0).t  N While my ISP is having some routing reconfiguration, I was testing it again. IL actually ran the 5.0A traceroute on the vaxstation 3100 5.3 system. It failsL with a LIBRARY Key Not found, but works if you give it a numeric IP address.  N And guess what: the 5.0A tcpip$traceroute.exe yields very low times similar to( what I get on my all mighty microvax II.  I So it seems that the tcpip$traceroute.exe supplied with 5.3 is  the buggy D image that results in the extra large delays displayed in the trace.  K What I find odd is that the 5.0 traceroute seems unable to translate a hostiK name to IP address upon startup, but has no problems translating IP addressiM back to host names during the actual tracing for each router along the route.1  L Anyhow, I am somewhat releived to find that it isn't really my hardware thatF is in question, but rather the  TCPIP stack quality (or lack thereof).M Surprising that nobody else has noticed those awful traceroute times on theira
 vax hardware.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:12:36 +0100e2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: TELENT in batch; Message-ID: <3fce2794.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   3 I really hate it when I have to follow up myself...o  3 Martin Vorlaender (martin@radiogaga.harz.de) wrote:hH > I did, and it builds without problems on OpenVMS/Alpha V7.2-2 (+ECOs),( > TCP/IP Services V5.1 ECO5, DEC C V6.4. ...v
 > The fileB > TCPIP$EXAMPLES:NETDB.H on my machine does define the hostent and > addrinfo structs.m  J ... but the build fails (missing TCPIP$GETADDRINFO and TCPIP$FREEADDRINFO)> when using it. With the regular netdb.h, however, it succeeds.   cu,t   Martin -- tB                         | Martin Vorlaender | VMS & WNT programmer1  OpenVMS: Where do you  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deoD  want to BE today?      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8                         | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:54:12 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: TELENT in batch; Message-ID: <3fce2344.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>o   don.rogstad@dalsemi.com wrote: > Gerard wrote:s > >Have a look atd > >r@ > >  [Compaq C] Telnet Client Accepting Non Interactive Commands > >-8 > >http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/  > >009E60A3-96F8B0E0-1C0186.html >oF > Has anyone tried to download and compile & link this code on OpenVMS > Alpha?  F I did, and it builds without problems on OpenVMS/Alpha V7.2-2 (+ECOs),& TCP/IP Services V5.1 ECO5, DEC C V6.4.  9 > I am having problems compiling the telnet.c code using:P >a3 >   Compaq C V6.2-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1H1 on:o > C >   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 3a@ >   on a Compaq AlphaServer GS160 6/731 running OpenVMS V7.2-1H1  : It could be that your TCP/IP Services is too old. The file@ TCPIP$EXAMPLES:NETDB.H on my machine does define the hostent and addrinfo structs.w   cu,d   Martin -- eH    Emacs would be a great   | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer5    operating system,        | work: mv@pdv-systeme.decL    if only it came with     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/<    a decent editor...       | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:39:16 +0000d* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>K Subject: u Inquirer: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashingp' Message-ID: <bqklgh$f1s$1@lore.csc.com>   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002k  H Subject says it all. (Article about Dutch Police VMS cluster, info drawn from openvms.org). (Links included in article).  H I know it's not like me to to post this stuff, but it amused me that theD word "rozzer" was used. I guess it would be equally baffling if "old# Bill" was used to non UK residents.p   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesh nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 05:59:12 -0800u( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)B Subject: VMS clusters prove they are the best - Sun comes in last!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312030559.66741bdf@posting.google.com>"  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:28:14 +0000eO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>eF Subject: Re: VMS clusters prove they are the best - Sun comes in last!0 Message-ID: <bqkvef$aie$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:m+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002      More old BS Bob.  4 Sorry but this is the same TechWise or should we say4 MarketingFoolish TCO study sponsored by HPQ that did8 the rounds last year and was well an truly trashed then.  7 If you compare a GS320 with a P690 or Sun F15K then itsI9 hardly suprising that your cost of downtime for the GS320i	 is lower.y  " Can you remember why that was ????  6 I will help you, the GS320 has about 1/3 to 1/4 of the7 capacity of the F15K. The GS is in fact only comparable 5 with the F6800 (which beats it on Oracle applications- throughput).  4 Now care to compare the cost of downtime of an F6800  with a GS320. I didn't think so.  $ Can I ask you a serious question Bob   What are you good at.t  < System Security clearly isn't a forte, you trumpet a serious7 Linux security violation on this newsgroup when HP have 9 just released a mandatory security patch for OpenVMS that 8 is so serious that they won't even hint at what its for.  = You misslead people about TCPWARE etc alledged invunerabilityBD to various CERT exploits and get conradicted by their documentation.  8 Perimeter security isn't a forte, remember you ludicrous7 Firewall discussions that were contradicted by HP's ownn technical staff.  / TCO analysis clearly isn't a forte (see above).t  7 Performance isn't a forte you keep talking about 80,000- SPARCs vs 1 Alpha.   So what can you do well ?T   regardsa Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 08:24:38 -0600m; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: Re: VMS on PDP-10?o3 Message-ID: <eyV8QLpzwixD@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  d In article <mddiskylvr4.fsf@panix5.panix.com>, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes: > O > Was this always true of VMS?  Did early versions have a COPY command, or justo > PIP (like RSX-11*)?p >   A    VMS 1.x file operation commands tended to be translated to PIP D    commands.  The output of DIRECTORY under VMS 1.x was identical toE    PIP /LI.  There was a COPY command, Someone else may know exactly aI    when COPY became a separate program.  Much of this stuff was complete j    by VMS 2.0.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:52:32 +0100- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>e Subject: Re: Wildcard searchingi9 Message-ID: <bqk4nf$22t6nn$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>v   I wrote:A > Perhaps it would be best to use the freely available GNU rxlib;A  	 Addendum:   ; GNU rx library: http://www.gnu.org/directory/libs/c/rx.htmln  , though I seem to remember I had to tweak it.  B Another one widely used also on VMS (e.g. in Apache and Analog) is pcre: http://www.pcre.org/   cu,M   Martin --  F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de3F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:08:49 GMTi= From: peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) * Subject: Re: Will VMS run on one of these?6 Message-ID: <3fcdf865.3160500@news.cable.ntlworld.com>  3 On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:09:41 -0500, "Paul A. Jacobi". <nospan@nospam.com> wrote:   >tM >"peter.watkinson1@ ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)" <nospam> wrote in messagec2 >news:3fc7ad73.16010359@news.cable.ntlworld.com... >> >>E >> http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/E8870/i2DMR-iG2.htm  >>* >> or any other itaniums i.e. sgi systems? >pK >I suspect that the Supermicro board is based on the Intel reference designoK >board for Itanium II.  While I don't have a Supermicro board, I do have anb >Intel reference design board. >iK >As a midnight project, I have made some attempts to get the Intel board toaE >boot VMS.  We have uncovered a number of assumption in our boot codeeL >specific to HP platforms.  We are slowly removing these assumptions becauseM >they improve our ability to support future HP systems.  At some point in theiK >future, I hope to report that VMS boots on the Intel reference board.  ThetL >same code would likely boot the Supermicro board.  I also might get busy onK >another project an never have time to get the Intel board to boot VMS.  OfcL >course, just because the board can boot VMS, that doesn't mean it will ever >be a supported VMS platform!h > K >One interesting issue is that the Intel E8870 chip set does not support IOrG >map register.  Any 32-bit PCI device must DMA into a buffer in the lownF >32-bit address space, then the CPU must copy the memory to the actualK >destination in 64-bit space.  HP systems use the ZX1 chipset which providegK >IO map registers.  This is clearly an advantage that HP chipsets have over M >the Intel design, resulting in much better performance.  Driver support willcK >also be an issue on the Intel board, since you will need to use only those M >PCI options which have VMS device drivers.  The limitation in the E8870 chip2G >set may also impose restriction on device drivers that can handle thish >limited form of DMA.1 > M >One day, it might be possible to use a generic Intel board as an unsupportedeK >test or development platform for VMS.  For mission critical application, ItB >think you will want a fully qualified HP platform to run your VMS
 >application.M >b >  >Paul A. Jacobi. >Hewlett Packard Company" >OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14 >110 Spitbrook Roadw >Nashua, NH 03062-2698% >Email: Paul dot Jacobi at hp dot com  >      Thanks Paul,  F My reason for enquiring is that for my first Alpha, I bought a PC164SXD motherboard in about 97, of course this board doesn't boot VMS but IF wanted it to run Linux, Unix, and NT, VMS being something that was too> expensive for me to get involved with at the time (No hobbyist< programme) though I had used VMS at University as part of myC Engineering degree and during my time off when I worked for a smallw firm using VMS and Ingres 4gl. e  A I later got another Alpha board, and the hobbyist licences becamer availlable.'  B My thought was that a slightly less expensive ways of purchasing aA Itanium system apart from buying a ZX Workstation might be a goodeE idea, because not only does VMS need big systems for mission criticalnD it also needs new blood in the way of hobbyists who can later become support and developers.a  D Of course you can always buy an older Alpha or Vax based system withD this regard. Though maybe for Itanium systems this wouldn't be a badE idea because just like the way DEC used to produce such motherboards,t@ it's a good way of producing lower cost systems for such people.  C I've never seen the Intel motherboard for sale anywhere, and I know C that the supermicro motherboard is for 1u servers. Maybe supermicror. could bring out a workstation board some time.    D PS I bought the SX motherboard new from a firm in the US, I'm in theA UK. And I know that people criticised them at the time (for being:C expensive and not a great deal faster than PC boards) but I have to6B say that it must have been one of the best investments in terms of$ learning experiences I've ever made.   cheers,t   Peter Watkinsona% peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.comn remove <nospam> to reply :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:59:42 +0100e" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>9 Subject: X terminal MOP connected to a uVAX: replacement?h3 Message-ID: <3fcdc252$0$2795$626a54ce@news.free.fr>o   Hello happy tax payers,n  O I have a request from a Customer who still uses Tektro XP338 terminals to do X h0 from MicroVAXen via MOP and thin Ethernet (yes.)  Q What would be a good replacement solution for these old boxes which blow out one e' after the other every two months or so?a  P I'm thinking of suggesting to give up with MOP and do X from a PC via Exceed or  any other X Windows package.  ( What does the honourable assembly think?   Thanks,e   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 09:31:18 -0600n; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a= Subject: Re: X terminal MOP connected to a uVAX: replacement? 3 Message-ID: <fICVc8aNIpzj@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  X In article <3fcdc252$0$2795$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: > Hello happy tax payers,  > Q > I have a request from a Customer who still uses Tektro XP338 terminals to do X t2 > from MicroVAXen via MOP and thin Ethernet (yes.) > S > What would be a good replacement solution for these old boxes which blow out one u) > after the other every two months or so?c  H    I would not do anything that doesn't provide an LK401 style keyboard.M    I don't know about Tektro XP338, but the Tektronics X terminals we had didm    have LK401 style keyboards.  E    We're still using VXT200+, which are quite reliable, but even withiF    large pagefiles on our Infoserver can't handle some web sites.  YouF    can probably get some of these, but make sure you get an InfoserverD    to boot them from unless you can prove that your getting systyems?    with enough RAM (they will boot from, but not page to, others    servers).  H    I'd look around and see if anyone is building X terminals, or look at    the VT500 series.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2003 09:10:42 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n3 Subject: Re: XFC 7.3 and Process States (HIBO/LEFO)e3 Message-ID: <QCev3yd96ml8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <f30679fb.0312020918.23a52125@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:. > I have an ES-40, OVMS 7.3 and XFC activated.3 > And a lot of LPR process in HIBO and LEFO states.25 > I know there is now reason to worry about that, buto5 > is recommended to buy more memory ? I have 10 GB ! I  C    Who cares whether you have processes in HIBO or LEFO?  What doesrG    show memory tell you about free memory?  Is the delay in starting uph$    an LPR process a problem for you?  D    IMHO unless I'm rich I'd just as soon have idle processes swapped    out.t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.669 ************************