1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 04 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 671       Contents:2 Re: Apache - symbols in DCL-CGI with post method ?2 Re: Apache - symbols in DCL-CGI with post method ?C Re: Cascade button Motif widget does not take the background colour  Re: Dead Console Re: Dead ConsoleC Re: DEC Document Graphics Editor (was: Display Postscript with MAC)  Errors with UCX ftp. Re: Errors with UCX ftp.8 Freeware DVDrecord & Sony DRU-500AX fails to write DVD-RC Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ? " How Force MMS to abort on Warning?& Re: How Force MMS to abort on Warning?& Re: How Force MMS to abort on Warning?: Re: I wonder if this HP director will resign from HP's BOD8 Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid! Re: ODS-5 file name  Re: ODS-5 file name : Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing! Re: OpenVMS Freeware V6.0 On-Line ! Re: OpenVMS Freeware V6.0 On-Line ! Re: OpenVMS Freeware V6.0 On-Line & Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS Replacement for CSWING? 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday 4 Re: VAX 7000s with licenses available for sale/trade4 Re: VAX 7000s with licenses available for sale/trade= Re: VMS clusters prove they are the best - Sun comes in last! = Re: VMS clusters prove they are the best - Sun comes in last! = Re: VMS clusters prove they are the best - Sun comes in last!  What is ACAS on VMS ? # Re: Working Sets for Misc Processes   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:26:20 +0100 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>; Subject: Re: Apache - symbols in DCL-CGI with post method ? 0 Message-ID: <bqmni3$8cn11@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------080502040406060303060300; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit    Manfred Grafinger wrote: > Hello NG.  > 5 > Im changing our webserver from old OSU/VMS6.2 to an E > Apache1.3.26/VMS7.3-1 System. Now i have troubles to get the values ' > from a post-form into my CDL-scripts.  > B > At the OSU-Server there was a binary, which converted the posted' > values to DCL-symbols such like this. 2 > $ MCR WWW_ROOT:[BIN]CGI_SYMBOLS WWW_ Symbolname_ > A > The Apache - dokumentation says it is necessery to redefine the ( > logical SYS$INPUT early in the script:( > $ define/NoLog SYS$INPUT APACHE$INPUT: > D > Now when i am trying to read in the values from SYS$INPUT i get an > error massage like this: > $ READ SYS$INPUT Symbolname E > %DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical name  > F > Anybody with more experience with Apache under VMS who can help me ? > ! > Best regards, Manfred Grafinger   . Here is a little excerpt from a CGI procedure:   ! / $   Read/Error=Exit/End=Error Apache$Input Data . $   @Men_Proc:Parse_CGI "''Data'" WWW_ CONVERT= $   If Parse_CGI_Status .le. 0  Then $ Goto Data_Missing_Info   F The Parse_CGI routine parses the data and stores each item in symbols. --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards     Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de - mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de   & --------------080502040406060303060300 Content-Type: text/plain;   name="PARSE_CGI.COM_SRC"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline;  filename="PARSE_CGI.COM_SRC"    $   save_verify = 'f$verify(0)'  $   completion_code = 1  $!  COPYRIGHT (c) 2001 BY ; $!  VOLKSWAGEN AG, WOLFSBURG, GERMANY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.  $!++ $! Facility: $!  PARSE_CGI - START_MISC Kit $! $! Abstract:4 $!   Parses a querystring and returns global symbols $!
 $! Output:' $!   PARSE_CGI_Status:	0   nothing done " $!			>0  number of symbols created/ $!   PARSE_CGI_Items:	    &-separated item list  $!
 $! Author: $!  Cluster-Karl Rohwedder $! $! Creation Date: 29-APR-2002  $! $! Modification History:W $!  V1.1-1  Roh  31-JUL-2002  - add CONVERT function (P3) to convert from %Xdd -> ascii  $!-- $!  $! $!__error handlers6 $   On  Error              Then $ Goto Execution_Error0 $   On  Control_Y          Then $ Goto Control_Y $! $!__verification( $   If "''Dcl_Debug'"		Then $ Set Verify- $   If "''Parse_Cgi_Debug'"	Then $ Set Verify f $   If F$Integer("''Max_Verify_Level'") .Ge. F$Environment("Depth") Then $ Tmp = F$Verify(Save_Verify) $   If "''DCL_Dlines'" $   Then DclDbg = " "  $   Else DclDbg = " !"	 $   Endif  $! $!__help $   Version = "V1.1-1"/ $   Params  = "QUERY_STRING [Prefix] [CONVERT]" : $   Facility= F$Parse(F$Environment("Procedure"),,,"Name")) $   If F$Locate("?",P1) .Ne. F$Length(P1)  $   Then! $       Ws  "Version: ''version'" + $       ws  "Usage: @''facility' ''params'"  $       Goto Exit 	 $   Endif  $!3 $!  ===============================================  $!__D E C L A R A T I O N S 3 $!  ===============================================  $! $   Ws = "Write Sys$Output"  $!3 $!  ===============================================  $!__E X E C U T I O N 3 $!  ===============================================  $!9 $   Prefix  = F$Edit(P2,"Trim,Upcase,Collapse,UnComment")  $!$ $   Str	= F$Edit(P1,"Compress,Trim") $! $   Parse_CGI_Status	== 0  $   Parse_CGI_Items	== ""  $!H $   CFlag   = (F$Edit(P3,"Trim,Upcase,Compress,Collapse").eqs."CONVERT") $! $   Ix	= -1  $ loop:  $   Ix	= Ix + 1  $   Nx	= F$Element(Ix,"&",Str)# $   If (Nx.nes."" .and. Nx.nes."&")  $   Then- $	Parse_CGI_Status    == Parse_CGI_Status + 1   $	Tmp		    = F$Element(0,"=",Nx)4 $	Parse_CGI_Items	    == Parse_CGI_Items + "&" + Tmp% $	TmpData		    =  F$Element(1,"=",Nx) " $	If Cflag    Then $ GoSub Convert $	'Prefix''Tmp'	    == TmpData $	Goto Loop 	 $   Endif  $!P $   Parse_CGI_Items	    == F$Extract(1,9999,Parse_CGI_Items)    ! skip leading & $!
 $   Goto Exit  $! $!3 $!  ===============================================  $!__E X I T 3 $!  ===============================================  $! $ Execution_Error: $   ___Status = $Status 4 $   Ws "?''Facility', Execution error: ''___Status'"! $   Ws "-''F$message(___Status)'"  $ Control_Z: $ Control_Y: $ Exit:  $   Set Noon $   Set Noverify= $   Tmp = "! " + F$Parse(F$Environment("Procedure"),,,"NAME") ) $   If "''Save_Verify'"	Then $ Set Verify   $   Exit 'Completion_Code' 'Tmp' $! 3 $!  ===============================================  $!__C O N V E R T  $!  converts data in TMPDATA:  $!  - + -> space $!  - %hexcode -> ascii 3 $!  ===============================================  $!
 $ Convert:# $   Convert_Len	= F$Length(TmpData)  $   Convert_New	= ""3 $   If (Convert_Len.le.0)   Then $ Goto Convert_End  $   Convert_Ix	= -1  $! $ Convert_1: $   Convert_Ix	= Convert_Ix + 1 ; $   If (Convert_ix.gt.Convert_Len)  Then $ Goto Convert_End 0 $   Convert_Nx	= F$Extract(Convert_Ix,1,TmpData) $   If  (Convert_Nx.eqs."+") $   Then! $	Convert_New = Convert_New + " "  $	Goto Convert_1	 $   Endif  $! $   If (Convert_Nx.eqs."%")  $   Then $	Convert_x   = " " 8 $	Convert_Xa  = "%X" + F$Extract(Convert_Ix+1,2,TmpData) $	Convert_X[0,8]	= 'Convert_Xa' $	Convert_New = Convert_New + Convert_x  $	Convert_Ix  = Convert_Ix + 2 $	Goto Convert_1	 $   Endif  $!* $   Convert_New	= Convert_New + Convert_Nx $   Goto Convert_1 $    $ Convert_End: $   TmpData = Convert_New  $   Return 1  ( --------------080502040406060303060300--   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:59:24 GMT 2 From: m.grafinger@tuwien.ac.at (Manfred Grafinger); Subject: Re: Apache - symbols in DCL-CGI with post method ? 2 Message-ID: <3fcf04cd.268891535@news.tuwien.ac.at>  2 On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:26:20 +0100, Karl Rohwedder, <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> wrote:  / >Here is a little excerpt from a CGI procedure:  >  >!0 >$   Read/Error=Exit/End=Error Apache$Input Data/ >$   @Men_Proc:Parse_CGI "''Data'" WWW_ CONVERT > >$   If Parse_CGI_Status .le. 0  Then $ Goto Data_Missing_Info > G >The Parse_CGI routine parses the data and stores each item in symbols.  >--  > , >mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards > ! >Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam   F Bingo, thats it. It works very well. Thank you for posting your script in the newsgroup.   7 Besten Dank und viele Gre aus Wien, Manfred Grafinger    --  # + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + # ' Dr.-techn.  Manfred  GRAFINGER  ' # ' Technische  Universitaet  Wien  ' # ' Institut fr Maschinenelemente  ' # ' 1060 WIEN, Getreidemarkt 9/306  ' # ' manfred.grafinger@tuwien.ac.at  ' # ' Tel.: + 43 - 1 / 58801 / 30612  ' # + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:01:58 +0100 > From: Sorin Costea <send_lotsa_spam_here@_guesswhat_yahoo.com>L Subject: Re: Cascade button Motif widget does not take the background colour9 Message-ID: <3fcf6886$0$234$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Sorin Costea wrote:  > E >>application look very ugly: I can change all the colours everywhere B >>_except_ for the background of the XmCascadeButton, whether it's > K > Have you tried to set the colour attributes in the XmMenuBar object which ) > controls the XmCascadeButton children ?   H Yes I did... I actually set all the colours for all the widget classes, ? and they all get updated _except_ the background (and only the  7 background) of the popup menus, either selected or not.    S    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:37:53 +01008 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Dead Console . Message-ID: <bqnrgk$m47$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl>  . >   An AlphaServer 2000 series, I will assume.   This is a right assumption.   E >   There are various other "2000" series Alpha systems including the F >   DEC 2000 series -- there are other non-Alpha 2000 series boxes, asE >   well.  (Please be very specific when referencing the system model C >   name, and please consider avoiding attempts at abbreviating the 1 >   model name -- ambiguities induce confusions.)   * I had no idea there were different models.# This is an Alpha 2000 4/233 server.   H >   Please see the FAQ for pinouts, and ensure you are using the correctJ >   settings and the correct adapters.  There are two different DB9-to-MMJK >   adapters seen with OpenVMS-associated hardware, and only one of the two . >   is appropriate in any particular instance.  - It used to work with the same cabling scheme.  I didn't mention it - sorry.  E >   Blinking cursor where?  (The cursor has nothing to do with serial A >   communications, it is a construct of the terminal or terminal E >   emulator.  Its presence or absence is not usually relevent to the : >   the success or failure of console communications.  :-)   :)0 It was just to point out that the monitor works.  I >   It is possible that the console hardware has failed, but that case -- H >   in isolation -- is  comparatively rare.  Well, I have seen bent pins >   on the connectors...  9 They do not seem to be bent. So it seems that we have the % comparatively rare situation here. :(  I'll check the FAQ anyway.   Thank you for your help. T. D.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 10:14:07 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Dead Console 3 Message-ID: <uQPUePKxqypk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <nf11a1-oue.ln1@fliwarsln02.warsaw.intl.fritolay.pvt>, "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com> writes:	 > Hi all.  > 0 > I cannot access my Alpha 2000 via the console.K > I've tried two different connection cables (MMJ), two different terminals  > (VT420 and VT510),I > both console ports (RS-232), and the only thing I can see is a blinking 	 > cursor. N > The server is accessible when booted, via LAN. What should I look for there? > % > Thank you in advance for any hints.  > T. D.   D    If you expect the MMJ to be the console, check the S3 switch.  IfE    you can't get a login prompt on the MMJ after VMS is running check B    the baud rate et. al. ($show terminal opa0:), and make sure the&    MMJ cable is wired as a null modem.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:09:51 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>L Subject: Re: DEC Document Graphics Editor (was: Display Postscript with MAC)8 Message-ID: <d9qusvcm8g87rj6k3vetjmh8jk0e20uvpt@4ax.com>  L On 3 Dec 2003 13:12:13 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  b >In article <307ssv4j0h7q97ujgcdqtit0evik3475r2@4ax.com>, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes:F >> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:58:16 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>  L >>>But I thought that even the hooks into them were removed from DECWindows.L >>>I'm pretty sure that I too tired this workaround and would have continued' >>>it on present machines if it worked.  >>  N >> I was able to get DECdocument's graphics editor (DOCUMENT/GRPAHICS) workingB >> after "upgrading" to Motif V1.2-6 by restoring those two files. >  >On what VMS version ? > H >I am tired of booting back to V7.2-1 each time I even just want to do a >DOCUMENT/GRAPHICS=RENDER.  ' OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 with Motif V1.2-6. I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 07:03:45 -0800 + From: c00per11242001@yahoo.ca (Vic Mendham)  Subject: Errors with UCX ftp. = Message-ID: <f7a73cb1.0312040703.12802b03@posting.google.com>   F I'm trying to put HP's RCM (actually older version for VMS 5.5-2) tool% on my VAX and I'm getting this error.    230 User logged in. 	 ftp> hash 4 Hash mark printing On  ftp: (2048 bytes/hash mark) . ftp> bin 200 TYPE set to IMAGE. ftp>put shc011.zip 200 PORT command successful.3 425-Can't build data connection for 158.98.209.25,0  425 device timeout  8 Is this firewall related or could the file be corrupted.   victor.mendham@sympatico.ca  c00per11242001@yahoo.ca    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:31:54 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>! Subject: Re: Errors with UCX ftp. , Message-ID: <bqnk1b$12ti@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  8 "Vic Mendham" <c00per11242001@yahoo.ca> wrote in message7 news:f7a73cb1.0312040703.12802b03@posting.google.com... H > I'm trying to put HP's RCM (actually older version for VMS 5.5-2) tool' > on my VAX and I'm getting this error.  > 4 >425-Can't build data connection for 158.98.209.25,0  : > Is this firewall related or could the file be corrupted.  > Looks like a firewall. Try using passive mode: SET PASSIVE ON.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 13:05:16 +0100 C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) A Subject: Freeware DVDrecord & Sony DRU-500AX fails to write DVD-R - Message-ID: <3fcf22fc$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>    Hi,   ? I've downloaded the DVDrecord Version, compiled it and test it.    Here is a log.  @ $ mc CDRECORD.EXE -dao -dummy dev=8,0,0 DKA100:[000000]LDNEU.DSK dvdrtools v0.1.46 Portions (c) 2002-2003 Ark Linux <bero=40arklinux.org>G This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it J under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the FreeD Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option) any later version.  C This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but J WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITYH or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU General Public License for more details.   G You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along C with this program; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the Free  SoftwareC Foundation, 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. 	 Based on: @ Cdrecord 1.11a15 (Alpha-HP-OpenVMS) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jrg	 Schilling   > This is the OpenVMS Freeware V6.0 port of the DVDRTOOLS suite.  A Tnis is **not** an official nor a supported port of the DVDRTOOLS > suite.  This port involves various modifications to the sourceD code as received from J=F6rg Schilling, Dr. Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann, and various other folks.  C Please do **not** contact Jrg Schilling concerning any errors that A might be found within this port, and please do **not** expect the A authors of this port within HP OpenVMS Engineering to provide any F support for this OpenVMS Freeware port.  (If you want or need support,F commercial recording packages are available.  Please use one.)  Thanks   CDRECORD: Fifo not supported.  scsidev: '8,0,0' scsibus: 8 target: 0 lun: 0 3 Using libscg version 'hp OpenVMS Engineering-0.6h1' 5 CDRECORD: Warning: using unofficial version of libscg  	hp OpenVMS Engineering-0.6h1 @ 	(#)scsitransp.c       1.82 02/03/08 Copyright 1988,1995,2000 J.
 Schilling.A CDRECORD: Warning: using unofficial libscg transport code version ) 	hp OpenVMS Engineering-scsi-vms.c-1.29h2 > 	=40(#)scsi-vms.c	1.29h2 01/03/18 Copyright 1997 J. Schilling.& Device type         : Removable CD-ROM Version             : 0  Response Format     : 2  Capabilities        :=20  Vendor_info         : 'SONY    '( Identification      : 'DVD RW DRU-500A ' Revision            : '2.0g'* Device seems to be  : Generic MMC2 DVD-RW.
 resid: 244
 resid: 2444 Using generic SCSI-3/mmc DVD-R/RW driver (mmc_mdvd).& Driver flags   : SWABAUDIO BURNFREE=20 Supported modes: PACKET SAO E Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in dummy mode for single session.   0 Last chance to quit, starting dummy write now.  . Operation started at Thu Dec  4 09:31:27 2003.	 trackno=0 : CDRECORD: error 0. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: retryable error# CDB:  2A 00 00 00 22 A6 00 00 1F 00  status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) B Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 2C 00 00 00 00 00) Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 ; Sense Code: 0x2C Qual 0x00 (command sequence error) Fru 0x0 ! Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)=20  resid: 63488& cmd finished after 0.007s timeout 200s% write track data: error after 0 bytes B Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 $   A And now? Where is a programmer, who is responsible for this code? ? The GPL claims that the must be a responsible person, otherwise  the distribution is illegal.  H I'm going to offer a version of DVDwrite at not cost, but only in binaryF form and with reduced functionality (only single recording speed, only> DVD minus R(W) recording). Advantage of this solution: SupportF if there are problems. DVDwrite is a program that has been tested with manyE DVD burners (Pioneer, Sony, Toshiba, LG). The command set for the DVD J minus R(W) is defined more precisely than for DVD plus R(W) so the numbers% of working configurations are higher.   I I would like to get a feedback if this solution is acceptable for the VMS - community or what could be done in this case.    Eberhard   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:46:29 -0000 From: "Stuart" <a@b.com>L Subject: Re: How do you modify RMS file attributes when using ofstream I/O ?% Message-ID: <bqn6sk$i54$1@rdel.co.uk>    Cheers Hein,  # Definitely some things to consider!    Stu...   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 04:31:41 -0800 * From: Anders.Wallin@om.com (Anders Wallin)+ Subject: How Force MMS to abort on Warning? < Message-ID: <79de16e3.0312040431.bc574a2@posting.google.com>  F I'd like like to build (compile/link..) a number of programs before I,> as the last action, create a kit containing the program files.  D I want MMS to abort on WARNING or worse in order to avoid creating aF kit containg programs with compile or link warnings. How do I make MMS abort on a Warning?    I'm using MMS V3.4-3   Thanks
 Anders Wallin    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:00:34 -0600 5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> / Subject: Re: How Force MMS to abort on Warning? : Message-ID: <bqnb5k$251o7j$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>   Anders Wallin wrote:H > I'd like like to build (compile/link..) a number of programs before I,@ > as the last action, create a kit containing the program files. > F > I want MMS to abort on WARNING or worse in order to avoid creating aH > kit containg programs with compile or link warnings. How do I make MMS > abort on a Warning?  >  > I'm using MMS V3.4-3 >  > Thanks > Anders Wallin  Check help mms /ignore   Greetings, Martin    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:45:07 +0100- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> / Subject: Re: How Force MMS to abort on Warning? 9 Message-ID: <bqnh9l$24pks6$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>    Anders Wallin wrote:H > I'd like like to build (compile/link..) a number of programs before I,@ > as the last action, create a kit containing the program files. > F > I want MMS to abort on WARNING or worse in order to avoid creating aH > kit containg programs with compile or link warnings. How do I make MMS > abort on a Warning?  >  > I'm using MMS V3.4-3  A MMS by default does abort if a called program issues a warning or 4 worse. You can override that behaviour by MMS/IGONE.   cu,    Martin --  F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:44:37 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)C Subject: Re: I wonder if this HP director will resign from HP's BOD 2 Message-ID: <V_Fzb.10096$Bk7.775@news.cpqcorp.net>  V In article <3FCE5F06.4BE97F3F@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  J >smaller 330/340s. It is the only Boeing plane with a modern cockpit. WhenL >Boeing revamped the 737s at about the same time, it decided to keep the oldH >cockpit in order to remain compatible with the 1960s 737s. As a result,  H As I understand it, there are a lot of those "old" 737s flying (possiblyI more of them than any other model).  This also means that there are a lot F of pilots certified on that "old" cockpit.  Changing the cockpit meansF re-training all of the pilots.  Worse, it could mean operating a fleetE of aircraft with two different cockpits.  That is a potential hazzard ) as pilots move from one plane to another.   H Perhaps it was the customers who asked Boeing not to change the cockpit.  A Sometimes customers have a huge investment in an existing system, > and have very good reasons not to change.  OpenVMS Engineering# is very familiar with this concept.   < (Not that I'm going to make any attempt to explain or defend< everythign Boeing did, because I don't know what they did or= why.  But they might have done it because the customers asked  for it.)   --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 05:46:20 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)A Subject: Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid! = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312040546.3850cb5b@posting.google.com>   p "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> wrote in message news:<Qs3zb.161022$ji3.47459@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...M > Rock solid may not be an appropriate description.  Perhaps you should check < > out the latest Alpha SYS ECOs for V7.2-2, V7.3 and V7.3-1. > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d7791aa1.0312020824.294ed988@posting.google.com... 2 > > the linux/slowaris/unix cert counters continue# > > to increase at a rapid pace ...  > > - > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12970   9 well our alphaservers on 7.1 have been up for 4 years now 5 without ANY problems at all ... go check out the cert 8 counts and compare vms to all others then come back here and talk about bugs ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:25:33 +0100 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: Re: ODS-5 file name. Message-ID: <bqn5jl$gj$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>   Robert Trawinski wrote: 	 > Hi all,  > H > I've just ftp-ed files from PC to ODS-5 disk. Files have many dots in  > name. When I list directory I  > see names like following:  > ! > Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar^.gz.tar;  > < > It's OK. But when I try to rename files DCL display error. > 5 > $ rename     Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar^.gz.tar;1        > Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar.gz E > %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special   > characters >  \^\ > @ > How can I use copy, rename etc DCL commands on multidot files? >  > Thanks in advance  >  > Robert >   . Thanks for Terry Aardema and Martin Vorlaender   Robert   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 10:18:02 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: ODS-5 file name3 Message-ID: <FuRN8NC0sDPi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <bqkua6$e7v$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>, Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> writes: 	 > Hi all,  > N > $ rename     Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar^.gz.tar;1      Math-BigInt-1^.64^.tar.gzE > %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special   > characters >   \^\  > @ > How can I use copy, rename etc DCL commands on multidot files?  #   $set process/parse_style=extended    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:43:58 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>C Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing ' Message-ID: <bqms3c$8lv$1@lore.csc.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > B.Eckstein wrote: - > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002  > > $ > > Yeah, that's a success story :-) > >  >  > It would be it it wasn't:  >  > A Old news > B Complete tosh    To answer B:  G Application design plays an important role, and VMS offers the tools to F provide "continuous service". If you like, there is a key indicator ofF continuous cluster service, and that is the "incarnation date/time" ofH the cluster, and this is "passed around" from member to member, which isB each capable of (if correctly designed) of providing that service.  H One of the really nice things about 7.3-2 is the way you can dynamicallyG increase the size of a multiple host controlled data data presentations H (aka shadowset / mirrorset), but in the past people have used DEC DFS toC achieve similar. The neat thing is that shadowset could easily have @ originated back when host based shadowing first was implemented.  F I don't know if this is an "experiential" thing, that once you've seenH it you become enlightened, or if you can accept the word of others, that  it does what it says on the tin.  H So, "tosh" no, but it is dependent on application design, so by the sameF token it doesn't automatically happen just because you have a cluster.   Hope this clarifies.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:40:45 +0100 . From: Maarten van Tilburg <maartent@yahoo.com>C Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing ) Message-ID: <3FCF395D.A3516BC3@yahoo.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > B.Eckstein wrote: - > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002  > > $ > > Yeah, that's a success story :-) > >  >  > It would be it it wasn't:  >  > A Old news  H No, it is no _news_ that we could offer services to our clients 10 years ago that sun can't do _now_.G It is a pity that we decided to do a (deliberate) cluster shutdown when F upgrading from VMS 6.2 to 7.1. Now I can show only a cluster formation date of 6-JUN-1998 10:59  C I am pretty sure we were the first in the Benelux with a multi site  cluster (back in 1993/1994).  ( (Public Transport of Amsterdam, aka gvb)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:59:44 +0000 = From: Andrew Harrison <removethisAndrew.snipHarrison@sun.com> C Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing 0 Message-ID: <bqni71$8es$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Paul Sture wrote: * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >>B.Eckstein wrote:  >>, >>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002 >>> # >>>Yeah, that's a success story :-)  >>>  >> >>It would be it it wasn't:  >> >>A Old news >>B Complete tosh  >> >  > G > I have to assume that you are referring to the Techwise report, since B > the Dutch story is *definitely not* either "old news" or "tosh". >   5 I am refering to the TechWise/MarketingFoolish report 2 which is complete and utter BS and old BS at that.  . However the Dutch story is hardly news either.  < The client I am working for has a Sun based Cluster that has9 been running for 2 years without loss of cluster service.   ; It was only implimented 2 years ago and given the number of @ nodes in the cluster I don't expect the cluster to lose service.  F Of course sessions have been lost, batch jobs have had to be restarted: etc as they have in the Dutch System now if either the Sun? Cluster or the OpenVMS cluster had never had to restart a batch A job and had never lost a session that would have been impressive.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:04:19 +0000 = From: Andrew Harrison <removethisAndrew.snipHarrison@sun.com> C Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing 0 Message-ID: <bqnifn$8gb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Maarten van Tilburg wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >>B.Eckstein wrote:  >>, >>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002 >>> # >>>Yeah, that's a success story :-)  >>>  >> >>It would be it it wasn't:  >> >>A Old news >  > J > No, it is no _news_ that we could offer services to our clients 10 years > ago that sun can't do _now_.I > It is a pity that we decided to do a (deliberate) cluster shutdown when H > upgrading from VMS 6.2 to 7.1. Now I can show only a cluster formation > date of 6-JUN-1998 10:59 > E > I am pretty sure we were the first in the Benelux with a multi site  > cluster (back in 1993/1994).  * > (Public Transport of Amsterdam, aka gvb)  8 I am not denigrating your acheivements, its the Register9 article and in particular the linkage of your experiences $ with the MarketingFoolish TCO study.    # Perhaps you should read the study !    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:30:00 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>C Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing 0 Message-ID: <3FCF8B38.1A57901D@sture.homeip.net>   Andrew Harrison wrote: >  > Paul Sture wrote: , > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > >  > >>B.Eckstein wrote:  > >>. > >>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002 > >>> % > >>>Yeah, that's a success story :-)  > >>>  > >> > >>It would be it it wasn't:  > >> > >>A Old news > >>B Complete tosh  > >> > >  > > I > > I have to assume that you are referring to the Techwise report, since D > > the Dutch story is *definitely not* either "old news" or "tosh". > >  > 7 > I am refering to the TechWise/MarketingFoolish report 4 > which is complete and utter BS and old BS at that. > 0 > However the Dutch story is hardly news either. > > > The client I am working for has a Sun based Cluster that has; > been running for 2 years without loss of cluster service.e > = > It was only implimented 2 years ago and given the number ofCB > nodes in the cluster I don't expect the cluster to lose service. >   @ No, the difference with the Dutch story is that all the originalD hardware has been swapped out and part of the site relocated several5 kilometres, without bringing the entire cluster down.o  H BTW, 2 years continuous uptime is pretty normal around here, even on our development and test systems.     oH > Of course sessions have been lost, batch jobs have had to be restarted< > etc as they have in the Dutch System now if either the SunA > Cluster or the OpenVMS cluster had never had to restart a batch C > job and had never lost a session that would have been impressive.  >   H The article didn't mention lost connections or failed batch jobs, so you; cannot simply assume what level of these they may have had.s   -- i
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:31:07 +0100i: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS Freeware V6.0 On-Line0 Message-ID: <bqmnr1$8cn12@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:i  I >   Thanks to all of the folks that have helped out and to the folks that H >   have answered the calls for submissions, the contents of the OpenVMS> >   Freeware V6.0 distribution are now available for download: >  ...o  K Thanks Hoff, great work. I've downloaded the zip files yesterday. There are N a lot of new version of packages we are using and some 'interesting' new ones.    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regardsa    Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.der- mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:34:41 +0100a: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS Freeware V6.0 On-Line/ Message-ID: <bqmo1o$ep52@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>M   Thanks Hoff for the great work.-  G I 've downloaded the zip files yesterday and found many new versions ofc4 packages we are using and some interesting new ones.   -- -  + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards:    Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de - mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:42:40 +01000: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS Freeware V6.0 On-Line0 Message-ID: <bqmvhl$8cn13@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>   A little errata with DFU:U  N 	the image is linked /TRACEBACK, so DFU$STARTUP fails to install it with privs     -- r  + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regardst  3 Karl Rohwedder          | it-ingteam(at)t-online.deoA                          | extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.deI   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 04:09:57 -0600 5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info>n/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcampN: Message-ID: <bqn15r$245j1o$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:  > "Martin P.J. Zinser" wrote:  > A >>If I make it to next years bootcamp I will put a list up on theyD >>blackboard where you can opt-in or opt-out of the picture display. >  > P > I suspect that if I were to go, there would be only one option for my picture: > 	print in dartboard format  H Not if I do the pictures, this is not my style. There are a few persons @ on the pictures whose political opinions I do not share and you H certainly will not be able to tell by the quality of the picture. And if7 you would indicate a "no" I would certainly honor that.   Greetings, Martind   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:36:51 -0500g* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcampl( Message-ID: <3FCF0E08.48CEF71@istop.com>   "Martin P.J. Zinser" wrote:oR > > I suspect that if I were to go, there would be only one option for my picture:# > >       print in dartboard formatl > I > Not if I do the pictures, this is not my style. There are a few personscA > on the pictures whose political opinions I do not share and you D > certainly will not be able to tell by the quality of the picture.   N Sorry, I had forgotten to put in the :-) symbol. I originally thought it would be self evident.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:53:27 GMTeF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp 2 Message-ID: <b7Gzb.10097$Bk7.809@news.cpqcorp.net>  : I did see your "disclaimer", which you think explains your intentions.  It is irrelevant.  ? Just so you know, this has no bearing on the legal implicationsu> of your posting.  You are the one who is already violating the@ law in the U.S.A.  Telling other people to comply doesn't excuse= your actions in any way; you are the one who has already made'A them public.  Doing that, and then telling people who object thatf: they can be removed, doesn't help: by law, you have to get< permission FIRST, and only make those images public when the; subject has already agreed.  Saying you're only doing it as]) a hobby doesn't excuse what you're doing.o  ? Sooner or later, you're going to get yourself into very serious < trouble if you keep doing what you're doing now, if you ever? run into a group of people who aren't as tolerent and forgiving - as the group which was at the last Boot Camp.      --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a=5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:53:14 GMTG" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp,0 Message-ID: <00A29DCC.8B8266CA@SendSpamHere.ORG>  { In article <b7Gzb.10097$Bk7.809@news.cpqcorp.net>, lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) writes:t; >I did see your "disclaimer", which you think explains yourN >intentions.  It is irrelevant.e >I@ >Just so you know, this has no bearing on the legal implications? >of your posting.  You are the one who is already violating theoA >law in the U.S.A.  Telling other people to comply doesn't excuse9> >your actions in any way; you are the one who has already madeB >them public.  Doing that, and then telling people who object that; >they can be removed, doesn't help: by law, you have to get = >permission FIRST, and only make those images public when thet< >subject has already agreed.  Saying you're only doing it as* >a hobby doesn't excuse what you're doing. > @ >Sooner or later, you're going to get yourself into very serious= >trouble if you keep doing what you're doing now, if you evert@ >run into a group of people who aren't as tolerent and forgiving. >as the group which was at the last Boot Camp. >  >  >-- ) > B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Onlye    G Bart, if you're going to offer legal advice -- which in itself might be=F criminal if you're not a law(lie)yer -- concerning this issue, can youE please cite the USC title(s) which prohibit this?  I'd like to reviewr them for myself.  Thanks.:   -- oL VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:03:57 GMTo2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcampa> Message-ID: <h9Hzb.74976$I53.3351832@twister.southeast.rr.com>  F I read this and your last post with interest for obvious reasons, I've) posted photos on OpenVMS.org in the past.   J So if he claims copyright on the photographs and says they can't be copied without permission he's ok?v  ? >Selling, or even giving away, pictures of people without their 9 >consent (without a proper release form) is also illegal.0  D How do papers and other print publications function?  I thought theyI purchased pictures of celebrities, politicians, etc. from some free-lancec photographers.   Ke   -- Kenneth Farmer  <><2 OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.orgr      K "Bart Z. Lederman" <lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com> wrote inC4 message news:b7Gzb.10097$Bk7.809@news.cpqcorp.net...< > I did see your "disclaimer", which you think explains your  > intentions.  It is irrelevant. > A > Just so you know, this has no bearing on the legal implications @ > of your posting.  You are the one who is already violating theB > law in the U.S.A.  Telling other people to comply doesn't excuse? > your actions in any way; you are the one who has already madegC > them public.  Doing that, and then telling people who object thati< > they can be removed, doesn't help: by law, you have to get> > permission FIRST, and only make those images public when the= > subject has already agreed.  Saying you're only doing it as0+ > a hobby doesn't excuse what you're doing.f >eA > Sooner or later, you're going to get yourself into very serious > > trouble if you keep doing what you're doing now, if you everA > run into a group of people who aren't as tolerent and forgivingt/ > as the group which was at the last Boot Camp.C >a >b > -- o* >  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only > : >  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission: >  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing >  list of any kind. >h7 >  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have ag7 >  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.u >i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:28:05 GMTsF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcampl3 Message-ID: <V0Lzb.10146$kI7.5170@news.cpqcorp.net>   s In article <h9Hzb.74976$I53.3351832@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> writes:0 >8K >So if he claims copyright on the photographs and says they can't be copiedc >without permission he's ok?  3 No, because he doesn't own the person in the photo.e  E >How do papers and other print publications function?  I thought theyhJ >purchased pictures of celebrities, politicians, etc. from some free-lance >photographers.e  > As I mentioned, the laws (and all the ones I know of are stateE laws, not federal laws) have certain very clearly defined exemptions.cH One is for bonifide news events reported by bonifide news organizations.C A newspaper can print a photograph of a politician giving a speech,.F for example, because it's a recognized news reporting service covering a legitimate news item.u  B Any photographer, especially working free-lance, would be familiar= with the laws in their area.  Even if the photograph would beeB publishible by a news organization (newspaper, television station,A etc.), that wouldn't mean that the photographer could put another @ similar photograph on their web site without permission, because4 their web site might not be a legitimate news organ.  H A photograph of the same politician giving a toast at a private wedding,D to which the press was not invited, might not be publishable withoutD permission. However, there are some borderline cases which sometimes" have to be resolved in the courts.  D Most of the pictures of celebrities are taken with tacit permission:' and sometimes with explicit permission.l  E For example, everyone who attends an awards ceremony can expect their G picture to be taken entering or leaving.  If someone took their picture.A in the rest room, publishing it without permission would be iffy. C Taking the same celebrities picture in their home through a hole in E the wall would almost certainly be illegal.  There have been a number:C of cases recently where photographers obtained pictures of "public"g@ figures (such as actors) at private events such as weddings, and@ published them.  The courts have ruled against the photographers in a number of cases.n  E Note that the person in the photograph has to be clearly identifiablee@ in some way.  You may have noticed faces and other details beingD "blurred" on a number of 'reality' tv shows.  If it is entertainmentA and not very clearly "news" only, you have to have a release from.@ everyone whose image is shown.  And it doesn't always have to be> a face.  If someone could be identified by a particular uniqueB item of clothing, or outline, or way of walking, then you couldn'tF make that image visible to the general public without their permission8 (unless it's covered by one of the specific exemptions).   -- .(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a25  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.e   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 06:43:20 GMT92 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>% Subject: Re: RBF file from WNT to VMS 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-yx2XPCzPTUCy@localhost>>  ? On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:38:20 UTC, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva m MahaDeva) wrote:  [ > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<bqhq7c$eck$1@lore.csc.com>...i > > Shiva MahaDeva wrote:> > > > J > > > I need send a RBF file from VAX-VMS to WNT. I issue the command: (in > > > WNT):" > > > E > > > but when I send this RBF file to VMS system (with put command),  > > > restoring the file withV- > > > RMU/RESTORE command I get this message:M  > > > software header CRC error.F > > > My question: Is there any way to send RBF files from WNT to VMS,= > > > and get data integrity ? Whats wrong in this process ?  > > 0 > > <cynic mode>Using a WNT system.</cynic mode> > > H > > OK, the issue is that the file format has been lost. Without beatingH > > about the bush, you need to do a ANAL/RMS_FILE/FDL on an RBF file onL > > your VMS system which has NOT been adulterated by any file transfers. If > > necessary, create one. > > F > > Then, use CONVERT/FDL=the-name-of-the-fld-file FTPSOURCEFROMNT.EXT > > correctectfile.RBF > > E > > This *should* work providing that the file has not otherwise been  > > interfered with. > > 3 > > Details in HELP ANAL/RMS_FILE and HELP CONVERT.i >  > K > It doesnt work, Im receiving "software header CRC error" message again.1 > @ > What could I do to use my WNT like a storage to my RBF files ? >  > Thanks...   D I tend to agree with the others who suggest zipping and keeping VMS B attributes. However, ISTR that using COPY /FTP /FDL from VMS to a F foreign OS will create and send a .FDL file to the foreign system, in @ addition to the intended file.. The .FDL file will be used when ? retrieving the file to re-create the file in all its VMS glory.V  E Note though, I'm at home and can't check the statement. If my memory 2E is correct its another way to solve the problem, with the usual pros c	 and cons.r   -- n Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 06:26:48 -0800d- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) % Subject: Re: RBF file from WNT to VMSo= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0312040626.51946718@posting.google.com>P  Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<bqkff2$d1n$1@lore.csc.com>...f > Shiva MahaDeva wrote:z > > ] > > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<bqhq7c$eck$1@lore.csc.com>...e >  ...> M > > It doesnt work, Im receiving "software header CRC error" message again.s > I > The problem could be in the original transfer of the files from the VMSmJ > system to the other platform, a problem could have been introduced whichG > is going to be more difficult to correct. Was the convert successful?n > / > Hoff's right "it doesn't work" isn't helpful.f > . > a DIR/FULL on the failing file posted here.. > 6 > a DIR/FULL on an RBF file that DOES work posted here > J > Also version identification of products you are using, operating system, > database, etc.  D Sorry for my poor English, but what could I use in substitute to the> "it doesnt work" ? "It doesnt do the job" is a best choice ?B I was trying transfer RBF (RMU Backup file) files from VMS -> WNT 5 (and vice-versa), "in binary mode", without success !g, Now Ill try use ZIP/UNZIP like posted here. Thanks in advance...   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:38:37 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)  Subject: Replacement for CSWING?. Message-ID: <bqnnud$oku$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  F Between the 7.3-1 upgrade and the ODS-5 conversion, CSWING seems to be& fairly hosed.  Is there a replacement?  M The important features are viewing, moving, and deletion of directory trees. bH The CDE's File Manager is decent, I've found.  Is anybody using anything else to replace CSWING?n  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 06:43:22 GMTF2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-S85Wr2n8vdYP@localhost>u  , On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:09:29 UTC, Greg Cagle % <news@removethisgregcagle.com> wrote:   I > "hp" has demonstrated a two-node TruCluster configuration on HP-UX, and J > has also mounted and booted AdvFS file system on HP-UX. This leads me toD > believe that your concerns about "endianness" and the IP stack areE > misplaced. You may, however, be right about the size of the project/ > being an issue.7 >  > - Greg  F Well, when I, from VMS, talk to Solaris via TCP/IP, I have to code up D routines that call the correct ntoh routine (byte, word, long etc)  D for the size of data or record element being transferred. Otherwise D the bytes go into the wrong holes. There are issues that have to be ( faced when doing cross-endian transfers.   -- r Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:14:16 GMTi& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday8 Message-ID: <rjjusvsgi43f6vsf7jptmuajnn4dmfaicj@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:29:40 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyD. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote: H >> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:42:14 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy1 >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:   F >>>2 SPARC is the market leader in the 64bit general purpose processorF >>>space, by units, by revenues by ISV support so whatever your pointsG >>>are about non delivery the market doesn't agree with you. The market . >>>never agreed with your assessment of Alpha. >>   >> aJ >> What assessment of Alpha are you referring to?  And why bring in marketJ >> presence - yet again - when that's not the point being discussed?  It'sN >> about business commitment to the platform - and unless it actually deliversL >> a system based on the research investments, it's tough to tell how strong >> the real commitment is. >SH >Why bring the market in ?? Well because in an unconstrained market withH >competing products the leaders are normally the ones that deliver what  >the market wants.  G But we weren't talking about market.  We were talking about a specific,g6 narrow, instance of business decisions and investment.  H I will grant you, and everyone else in here, that OpenVMS marketing fellE very short of what DEC/CPQ needed if they wanted it to compete in the  market.,  J But we're talking about chip investment, and whether/how-much the business& managers (BOD) have decided to invest.   >mC >And in the datacenter server market one of the key things that thei> >market wants is delivery against commitments, consistency and >investment preservation.   I And, again, there appear to be many (at least, in here) who don't believewG that Sun delivered much in quite awhile to keep performance leadership.2I It's been called everything from abysmal, to "good enough"; none of which  is a resounding "yay".  H I'm not knocking Sun's investment strategy - it seems to have worked for them for quite awhile so far.d   >  >iL >> Within the context of the discussion, the parallel from a customer's viewK >> of systems actually delivered, could certainly lead one to feel that the N >> business commitment to SPARC wasn't really all that great.  The future sure* >> looks great, but it almost always does. >> > C >Sorry but the market/customers don't agree with you and never have5? >why did all those people who didn't buy Alphas in their droves > >buy SPARC based systems instead. Why did Gartner always score0 >SPARC higher than Alpha in terms of longevity ?  C Except where customers need higher performance.  And then they went 
 elsewhere.   --- jlsi0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:22:24 GMTD& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday8 Message-ID: <stjusvoplci7r7q9dj8s14qf4qofr1th62@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:21:43 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy/. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote:aH >> On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:20:18 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy1 >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:t >> p >> m >>>jlsue wrote:  >> w >> gM >>>>In this instance, my argument doesn't hinge on the absolute fact of Sun's H >>>>performance.  Note that I am responding to Mr. Todd.  I am trying toO >>>>understand the logic behind two different opinions I've seen come from him, N >>>>namely:  a) DEC/CPQ/HPQ is bad because they decided to not invest in alphaM >>>>to allow it to keep up, and b) Sun is not bad, even though it has decideds& >>>>not to invest in Sparc to keep up. >>>> >>> " >>>Let me remind you of the facts. >> - >> -J >> Well, you've completely changed the direction of the discussion and the0 >> parallels presented.... but what the hell.... >> u >> : >:: >So you don't think that trying to tie HPQ/Compaq/Digitals: >behaviour over Alpha to some missaprehension on your part4 >about SPARC performance wasn't an attempt to change! >the direction of the discussion.r  K Er... no.  Do you understand what an analogy is?  I used it in this case toaD show that the argument logic being put forth to further (ad nauseum)K discuss CPQ's investment decisions on Alpha are just business, and comparedu, to other companies isn't all that different.  I The main problem was that once the decisions were made, the communicationaF was handled badly.  I can't defend how the business allowed commitmentI speeches just prior to cancellation announcements.  But bad communicationeC doesn't necessarily mean that the business decision itself was bad.o   >>   >> rM >> That's funny.  We're selling them to customers today, so something appearswM >> to run on them (though I'll admit, how many are end-users and how many aren- >> ISVs is something I don't have access to).  >> r >oD >Really so how many are actually available apart from the 4-5 oracle? >apps and the SAP ones that are still waiting to be certified ?e  I Beats me.  I don't work in that area.  I'm not making any great statement J of the size of that business, only that there are sales going to differentK places.  The rest isn't really even pertinent to the discussion, other thane7 as a response to a silly throw-away statement from you.p  m   --- jlsi0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:30:35 GMTR& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday8 Message-ID: <edkusv0r35g59bvssm6d885hgcq2icm28g@4ax.com>  H On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:12:51 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >"Main, Kerry" wrote:eH >> Even the current SPARC III based servers did not start shipping untilI >> something like 2000/2001 - approx 4 years after the announcement showno >> in this url.  >> d  >> Delivery against commitments? >oM >Sun has no motivation to cripple its own products. It is the sale to neithers >Microsoft nor Intel.   J Which actually only means that Sun has no other alternative at this point.  E HP is in a completely different business position because it has manycG products in many areas (several server & OS platforms, peripherals, ande great SAN technology)    > O >HP has every motivation to cripple Alpha because they want a cosy relationship   >with both Intel and Microsoft.   F And, perhaps, they also realize that having multiple server design andI manufacturing groups is a waste of resources (there's LOTS of overhead tosI manage the separate businesses).  Bringing all OS platforms to one servernJ line will allow the company to invest resources in a more focused fashion,! and all OS platforms can benefit.w  F It always bugged me in CPQ that we had the Intel servers and the AlphaK server businesses, there was virtually zero cross-utilization of investmentLJ - even to the point of the Intel camp investing in another crossbar-switchG architecture (when we already had an exceptional amount invested in our  own).n  & >The current "plan of record" has lessL >credibility than their pre-June-25 commitments. Their abandonnement of EV79K >further re-enforces the distrust of HP commitments with regards to VMS andpL >Alpha. HP has shown no *real* intentions to fully leverage the potential of >VMS.   F The Alpha line is sold and supported for customers.  Period.  EveryoneD knows that it's days are numbered, but HP is delivering products andF services for those that continue to need them.  We actually have *new*F customers buying Alpha today.  Some even running OpenVMS (and, perhaps' surprisingly, some running Tru64 UNIX).   J The OpenVMS OS will not be tied so strongly to Alpha that it will die with it.s  J But I concede that we rarely hear about OpenVMS' great benefits over other
 platforms.     --- jlsm0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)c   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 11:08:31 -0600r+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)sB Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday3 Message-ID: <sBGIvRVds5Hl@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  a In article <edkusv0r35g59bvssm6d885hgcq2icm28g@4ax.com>, jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:,   > H > It always bugged me in CPQ that we had the Intel servers and the AlphaM > server businesses, there was virtually zero cross-utilization of investmenteL > - even to the point of the Intel camp investing in another crossbar-switchI > architecture (when we already had an exceptional amount invested in ourc > own).r >   = 	NIH syndrome.  There are wonderful counter-examples.  One of ? 	my favorite is the decision by Bob Supnik to nix in-house bus  > 	technology and jump on PCI.  That took guts and was very wise 	in hind-sight.g  ; 	NIH is very powerful.  I point out in meetings that "do we ? 	really need that?  If so, do you realize department Y is using = 	a product that has the same functionality?"  Do you know howoA 	much overlap in product lines there is?  But sadly, department YbB 	has their own budget and they will do what they please, thank you< 	very much.  Breaking that culture is hard.  All high-end is: 	Itanium forces a break in culture.  That is a good thing.   				Robs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:52:50 +0100- From: "B.Eckstein" <eck@ivu.de>1= Subject: Re: VAX 7000s with licenses available for sale/trade - Message-ID: <bqmp4i$a6s$1@swifty.westend.com>x  + Phil Kent schrub im Jahre 03.12.2003 20:52:1   > These each have Enterprise licenses: Unlimited VMS User, NAS 200 and Cluster.  We are looking to trade them for smaller Alpha computers (DS10, DS15 or DS20) or cash to purchase above.   @ IIRC you can't transfer licenses this way. There's some kind of  transfer-fee to be payed.c   -- uG B.Eckstein, eck@ivu.de         Cheap, Fast, Good - pick any two of themc9 Die FAQ zu de.comp.hardware.netzwerke: http://how.to/dchn G Mozilla-Tips: http://mozilla-anleitung.de/ http://www.holgermetzger.de/U  D "Auch wenn ich die Funktionsweise dieser Konsole nicht kenne, glaube# ich nicht, dass sie rauchen sollte"9   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 05:21:39 -0600-- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: VAX 7000s with licenses available for sale/traden3 Message-ID: <Xzi7z0sQkpCK@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  O In article <bqmp4i$a6s$1@swifty.westend.com>, "B.Eckstein" <eck@ivu.de> writes:u- > Phil Kent schrub im Jahre 03.12.2003 20:52:  >  >> These each have Enterprise licenses: Unlimited VMS User, NAS 200 and Cluster.  We are looking to trade them for smaller Alpha computers (DS10, DS15 or DS20) or cash to purchase above. > B > IIRC you can't transfer licenses this way. There's some kind of  > transfer-fee to be payed.   C But the transfer fee is independent of system size, so transferring C high end equipment in this fashion may be quite economical (so longl; as the recipient wants to run on the transferred hardware).r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:15:42 +0000s* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>F Subject: Re: VMS clusters prove they are the best - Sun comes in last!' Message-ID: <bqmqed$8f0$1@lore.csc.com>r  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > Bob Ceculski wrote: - > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002  >  > More old BS Bob.  , Did you *bother* to read the actual article?  C In one sentence, the *application service* has been available since E 1997, regardless of operating system upgrades or hardware migrations.r  F However, I tend to agree that Bob does put his foot in it, and he doesF make some uncalled for comments, but that's my opinion, and you have a right to yours.e   -- u? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences$ nclews at csc dot com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:47:53 -0500t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>F Subject: Re: VMS clusters prove they are the best - Sun comes in last!) Message-ID: <3FCEF487.EE7A3944@istop.com>t  H Articles such as the dutch police cluster would have a much much greater5 impact if they were published in sites such as Wired.n  G does "the enquirer.com" have a wide readership, or is its just a covertw; publication done by a couple of guys who are loyal to VMS ?c  L It doesn't seem to have the same effect as if Wired were to publish the sameJ article since windows and linux weenies would then be exposed to such news
 about VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 05:40:24 -0800n( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)F Subject: Re: VMS clusters prove they are the best - Sun comes in last!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312040540.21935a01@posting.google.com>r   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bqkvef$aie$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...c > Bob Ceculski wrote: - > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13002- >   2 we all know what you are good at Andrew ... do the% letters B and S mean anything to you?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:24:58 -0500>* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: What is ACAS on VMS ?' Message-ID: <3FCF0B40.9CBF69@istop.com>t  N While testing software that browses text libraries, I stumbled on ACAS modules in the SYS$STARLET_C.TLB.t  N It stands for "Application Control Architecture Services" and has a rather bigL module to define varous messages. (that is what caught my attention as I was randomly selecting modules).  J What exactly is this beast ? Is it available on VAX VMS or just on Alpha ?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2003 07:22:43 -0800 0 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter), Subject: Re: Working Sets for Misc Processes= Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0312040722.496f8662@posting.google.com>    > >> n& > >> JOB_CONTROL          142048 pages& > >> QUEUE_MANAGER        142048 pages< > >> SMTP_<node>_01       142048 pages   (<--- Server Queue)E > >> TCPIP$TNS1           142048 pages   (<--- Telnet Print Symbiont)i& > >> SHADOW_SERVER        100064 pages > >> ,J > >>      Can anyone tell me where these processes inherit their WS Quotas > >> from??t5 ---------------------------------------------------- bF > > SYS$STARTUP:VMS$CONFIG-050_JOBCTL.COM computes the WSQUOTA for theE > > JOB_CONTROL process as 1/4 of WSMAX. I've not looked but it woulddD > > appear that the same strategy is used for the next three on your	 > > list.r > > ; > > SYS$STARTUP:VMS$CONFIG-050_SHADOW_SERVER.COM starts theeE > > SHADOW_SERVER process and computes WSQUOTA as the lesser of WSMAX G > > or (PQL_MWSQUOTA + (200*128)) - on an Alpha 7.3 system. I don't see E > > how yours was actually computed given your PQL value - the systemw@ > > that I'm looking at now uses a value as I've just described. > >  > > # ----------------------------------- K > Yes these processes get started by JOB_CONTROL and it passes some of it's L > quotas on to these processes via the $CREPRC call that it does.  The rulesL > for $CREPRC ar that any quotas specified in the passed quota list (see theJ > [quota] argument in the $CREPRC docs) will override the PQL_D values andG > will be checked against the PQL_M values.  I'm not sure where/if thise= > behaviour, symbionts getting JOB_CONTROL quotas, is doc'd .s  B Thanks for your responses guy's.    I did manage to track down theE JOBCTL quotas in the appropriate file, and I had already modified thet< PQL_MWSQUOTA value (since it is dynamic) and that is why theC SHADOW_SERVER didn't appear to follow the rules (the previous value40 for PQL_MWSQUOTA was ~32000, WSMAX was ~580000).D      I will be booting the systems on 12/9 and WSMAX rill be reducedD to 150000 and PQL_MWSQUOTA reduced to 2048.   Based on this I expectC SHADOW_SERVER to have a new QUOTA of ~8448 and JOBCTL ~38000.     IeA presume that the Print Symbionts will also have quota's of ~38000. based on JOBCTL???   Dave.G   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.671 ************************