1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 06 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 675       Contents: Andrews stuck in time ...  Re: DS700 RAS configuration  Re: DS700 RAS configuration  Re: Hairdoo Economics  Re: Hairdoo Economics $ J F  M e z e i issuing rogue cancels Re: My new Sun e250?: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing Re: OpenVMS org  Passing var into F$SEARCH  Re: Passing var into F$SEARCH & Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp" Rogue cancels from J F  M e z e i.$ Re: Routable Protocol for Clustering$ Re: Routable Protocol for Clustering Re: RTL/2 Anyone+ Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name? + Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name?  Re: Unknown memory modules. 0 Re: Will VMS contribute to Microsoft's profits ?4 Re: Will VMS have to pay royalties Microsoft ? (FAT)4 Re: Will VMS have to pay royalties Microsoft ? (FAT)4 Re: Will VMS have to pay royalties Microsoft ? (FAT)4 Re: X terminal MOP connected to a uVAX: replacement?P Re: [SURVEY] Do you still code programs in Cobol? Ingres? On vax/vms/alpha/itaniP Re: [SURVEY] Do you still code programs in Cobol? Ingres? On vax/vms/alpha/itani  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2003 05:31:18 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)" Subject: Andrews stuck in time ...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312060531.20cb2bd7@posting.google.com>   > why are you still babling about a GS320?  The latest model out< is the GS1280, and we know how it kicks your 80,000 chip sun crap in the rear ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:26:48 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> $ Subject: Re: DS700 RAS configuration0 Message-ID: <492dnQN4dZCEREyi4p2dnA@comcast.com>  H I've been using U.S. Robotics modems for years with good success.  ISTR I that you lock them at a speed by making the computer or terminal you are  I using talk to the modem at the desired DTE speed  and then using AT&W to  D save the settings.  I've never had any luck making an outgoing call H through any sort of DECserver so I'd recomment using a terminal or a PC 5 with terminal emulation software to set up the modem.   G Right now I'm using some old Motorola/UDS "Fastalk" and "Power Series"  3 modems that I inherited when I took my current job.   % On the DECserver 700 you need to do a & DEFINE PORT <n> SPEED  <fastest speed>G in order to make the setting permanent.  In order to make it effective   immediately you need to either LOGOUT PORT <n>  or" SET PORT <n> SPEED <fastest speed>  9 CHANGE PORT does both the DEFINE and the SET at one blow.   G Check the manual or use HELP to get the exact syntax of those commands.   I I don't have a manual for a DECserver 700 but I believe that the fastest   possible DTE speed is 115,200.H The DCE speed is negotiated between the two modems and the fastest I've F heard of is 57,600.  In general you should still set the DTE speed to > the highest available since the modems will probably be using H compression and can frequently achieve an effective DTE speed of two to  four times the DCE speed.    Rich Jordan wrote:  F >Slightly OT but I figure the odds of finding a person who has done it  >are better here than elsewhere. > B >We're in the process of moving a (VMS! Alpha) customer from frameG >relay to VPN site-to-site tunnels for their WAN.  We need to provide a C >certain level of backup access, and rather than defaulting to some ? >damn peecee RAS I'm looking at using a spare DS700-08 (NAS 2.2 G >software) with a few modems as the backup.  I've not been able to test E >anything since the DS700s are not currently free (they would be upon 
 >converting).  > D >The last time we tried it briefly using a DS700-08, NAS 2.3a, and aF >Hayes Optima 56 modem, we could get a PC or dialup router to connect,E >but the port speed always reset to 9600 baud; if I disabled autobaud A >it just would not connect.  The modem should have been locked at E >57600, but given how flakey Hayes got near their death, its possible  >that was the problem. > F >So... any sample configs running a RAS dialup at 57600 or 115200, andF >modem recommendations to go with it?  Also, is NAS 2.2 up to the taskG >or do we need to get the one server upgraded to current (2.6 I think)?  > Thanks for any info. >  >Rich Jordan >    >    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2003 13:37:36 GMT < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)$ Subject: Re: DS700 RAS configuration0 Message-ID: <bqsm30$3bq$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  f In article <cc5619f2.0312050738.33388757@posting.google.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:E >     thanks for the info.  I presume that it actually stays at 57600 3 >baud on connect since you don't have autobaud set.   O It is not like that. The speed between the modem and the DS700 should always be M the same and should be higher than the speed between the modem and the remote M modem. To achieve this, we have a fixed speed on the server port. In addition I we use hardware flow control (RTS/CTS), otherwise the modem can't do data M compression. In addition you should know that a modem can't do a higher speed O than 33.600 baud on the phone line. ISPs that offer dialup speeds of 56k need a M digital connection to the phone system (like ISDN). But again, the 56k (which M is in fact always lower than that) is only one-way from the ISP to the dialup ' user. The uplink speed is still 33.6k .    >What modem are you using?  K We use Elsa MicroLink Professional modems. The modems are very reliable and J very configurable. Unfortunately the company went bankrupt. There is now a$ successor at http://www.devolo.de/ .  8 >I've only ever seen one Elsa modem here ("Microlink 56KE >Internet", apparently a simplified PC external modem) which I've not ( >had the opportunity to try as a dialin.  M This is a very cheap version, as far as I remember it is limited to dial into 2 a single ISP for two years or something like that.  G >     In our one previous test, where we could not get better than 9600 G >baud connects, we used local authentication.  I'll have to find out if 6 >we can use DRAS or have to stick with server local...  M The dialin-speed is independent of DRAS. Again, use 56k between the modem and O the DS700 and configure the modem properly. Here is an example. Note that it is L connected to a phone system with a non-standard dialtone, therefor the "X3".   ati4$   E0    L1    M1    Q1    V1    X3    $B0   $D0   $T0    %A0   %E1  $  &C1   &D2   &G0   &S1   &T4   &Y0    *E0   *Q0    -H0   -M0    \C1   \D1   \J0   \T60  \V8    :D0     OK at\s   1. CONNECTION / HANG-UP    LAST DIAL            465  DIAL MODE            TONE    T/P  DIAL LOCK            000     MIN DIAL/BUSY TONE       003     X3   DTR DIALING          OFF     $D0! PAUSE LENGTH         002     S8=2 ! AUTO ANSWER          001     S0=1   GUARD/CALLING TONE   000     &G0! INACTIVITY TIMER     060     \T60    2. LINE INTERFACE   $ HALFDUPLEX           OFF     S27.7=0  BPS ADJUST           OFF     \J0  AUTO RETRAIN         ON      %E1  ALLOW RD LOOPBACK    ON      &T4   3. PROTOCOLS    FALLBACK CHARACTER   000     %A0  FALLBACK MODE        FB 200  \C1   4. HOST INTERFACE    SERIAL BPS           56000   AT  DATA FORMAT/PARITY   8N1     AT   DSR/CTS CONTROL      001     \D1  CARRIER DETECTION    001     &C1" ESCAPE CHARACTER      +      S2=43  EFFECT OF DTR        002     &D2  MEANING OF DSR       001     &S1  ! 5. 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If it works thenF >thats what we'll likely recommend, though it will drive the prices up >a lot on the configuration.  : I have a MultiTech 56k here which does a good job as well.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:40:29 -0600 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> Subject: Re: Hairdoo Economics8 Message-ID: <4tm3tv43a391atm3b83736clkhd7gl5bsa@4ax.com>  N On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:42:05 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:   > 6 >"David Harrold" <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> wrote in message3 >news:pri1tv0j8fvvkdk8d1ubdr0qg1vrm5rgv4@4ax.com...    [snip]   >>H >> But, I keep forgetting that you are mad about the Alpha decision.  So	 >anything + >> that helps the IA64 plan is a bad thing.  >  >No - you're just clueless.   I Why? Because, I don't agree with you?  That just means I have a different M opinion.  And other than your constant whining about the Alpha/IA64 decision, G you haven't provided any useful arguments that don't start out with "HP 2 wrongly killed Alpha, so anything they do is bad."   Get a life.    >  >- bill  >  >     N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold at aurora.orgI Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204 I                                            Pager:          (414) 941-4634 G Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999  3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:50:22 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> Subject: Re: Hairdoo EconomicsA Message-ID: <yFoAb.1271$1R2.348530826@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote:   ] > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FD02AD9.2050EB4C@istop.com>...  >  >>John Smith wrote:  >>; >>>a) the firm is making significant investments in OpenVMS  >>P >>They are not making significant investments in VMS. They are spending money to) >>help support their decision to go IA64.  >>K >>The port to IA64 is a big distraction from the real needs of VMS, such as N >>improving the TCPIP stack, improving VMSmail, spending money to get SAP back >>on VMS etc etc.  >  > < > it would save them money actually to just buy TCPware from< > Process ... it is the best IP stack for VMS hands down and; > would save a tremendous amount of time and resources from  > trying to develop UCX ...   G Sorry Bob, but it hasn't been UCX for a few years now.  TCPIP V5+ is a  H port from Tru64.  You can still use the same syntax as with UCX, but it E ain't UCX.  You can use $UCX to access it, but it ain't UCX. You can  ? even use unix-style commands (sysconfig, netstat etc...) -- it   definately ain't UCX.   F BTW, do you have any **recent** data that you can quantify your claim E that is better?  Speed, thru-put etc...  and is the difference worth   paying extra for it?  H I run a shop that has more than 150 Alpha/VMS systems -- and growing by I the rack-full (DS20/25,ES40/45/47,GS1280-one with more on order))... all  F on TCPIP V5.3xx  and I don't have any problems with it... DECNET OSI, 4 TCPIP, VLANS, PVLANS, PVWANS... it just plain works!   Michael Austin.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:04:25 +0100# From: edo <nobody@cryptorebels.net> - Subject: J F  M e z e i issuing rogue cancels ? Message-ID: <fcd3dba6929d43af18956cfe3b59cc47@cryptorebels.net>   L Beware, JF Mezei has been rogue cancelling messages for quite some time.  HeI likes to cancel messages from people he doesn't like or who say things he J doesn't agree with.  And if you post about his trolling and misbehavior onL usenet over the last decade or respond to a message that mentions it he willN forge your name and email address and cancel your message.  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If he posts under your name you can be sure he has been rogue cancelling your messages.    Report his abuse to:   abuse@sympatico.ca abuse@bellglobal.com abuse@istop.com    Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 695-8259   jfmezei@istop.com  jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca  "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam] nobody <nobody@nobody.com>) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:23:27 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: My new Sun e250? : Message-ID: <PvmAb.16218$yd.2592611@news20.bellglobal.com>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:VH3yb.23062$ZmO.22931@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
 ...snip... > . > Can't help you on this, but have a question: > L > What did the application vendor say when you asked them is there was a VMS > version of their app?  > M > Are you planning to sent their reply to carly(tm), Marcello, & Gorham along E > with the details of the 'lost' Alpha/VMS sale to your organization?  > L > Not directed at you personally Neil, but I think it's important that everyI > VMS shop did something like this each and every time a competitor's box M > walked in the door because there wasn't a VMS version of the app available.  > D > Not that HP would care enough to do anything substantive about it. >   G I agree with your thoughts but getting people to change it isn't always N possible (1. especially when technological arguments take on a religious zeal.N 2. especially if some internal sales bozo in your own company has already madeN the decision). I did take an slightly alternate approach by asking if they hadK any plans to move their application to LINUX; if the answer would have been N positive then I would have mentioned the fact that we were an OpenVMS shop andJ a UNIX compatibility API was built into OpenVMS. However, the vendor isn't! even considering moving to LINUX.   N As an aside, this small vendor (less than 100 employees) was just purchased byL a very large American company and I've noticed that they appear to be losingJ their dogma as the first round of layoffs are kicking in. In the mean time4 I've got to support a Sun e250 with host based RAID.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:20:13 +0100 + From: Maarten van Tilburg <mtilburg@wxs.nl> C Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing & Message-ID: <3FD201BD.A234BCD3@wxs.nl>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > B > There should be a pretty close relationship between the capacityB > of the system and the cost of downtime assuming that the systems/ > being compared are equally business critical.   = Which relates to the size of the business, not to that of the / hardware (with properly sized systems, that is)    >  > > > If my cluster is half the size and only able to process half= > the OLA transactions then my exposure is halved and my cost  > of downtime is halved.  B And , in normal situations, income (or profit) would be only half.= In that case, long downtimes can equally destroy the business  profits.   $ > TechWise used what was at the time= > the fastest available Alpha Server the GS320 it had ~1/3 to ! > 1/4 of the capacity of an F15K.  >   > Use 4 GS320's in a cluster, if you need that kind of computing power.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:44:44 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS org- Message-ID: <87wu9ajc1g.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   0 mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:  B > Just imagine: What would happen if HP decided that Itanium wouldA > never make it to mainstream and spin OpenVMS off OpenVMS corp ?   A > How many would there be left ? What would be the future of it ? E > Would it bring Alpha back ? Would charon-vax nail it ? Who would be  > the competitors ?   F hp do not want the prospect of having to compete with an agressive VMSF compeditor. So first step is to run VMS into the ground so there is no$ revinue base for them to build from.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:28:52 -0600 $ From: Rob Babcock <robnjay@tisd.net>" Subject: Passing var into F$SEARCH' Message-ID: <3FD1CB84.6060103@tisd.net>   D Ok.  I'm a DCL newbie.  I need to write a couple of VAX COM files.  + Could someone give me a little syntax help?   ! What is wrong with the following:   ' I'm trying to pass a var into F$SEARCH.  What is wrong with this:  . $ FILNAM = "INFOPLUS$ROOT:[SITE.RUNTEST]*.TST" $ T_STR := "is testing" 
 $ T_SP := " "  $ SV_FSP :=  $LOOP_1$ $ FSP = F$SEARCH('FILNAM) & $ IF SV_FSP .EQS. "" THEN SV_FSP = FSP+ $ IF FSP .EQS. SV_FSP THEN GOTO EXIT_LOOP_1 
 $ TYPE FSP $ SV_FSP = FSP
 $ GOTO LOOP_1 
 $EXIT_LOOP_1:   I There are some files (really ascii text files with ".tst" suffix) that I  I want to print to the terminal when someone logs into a certain account.   H When I run this script, it prompts me for a filename, then a string, as ! if nothing had been passed in....    Thanks in advance    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 15:15:07 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>& Subject: Re: Passing var into F$SEARCH/ Message-ID: <3FD1F27B.B1D9A8C@sture.homeip.net>    Rob Babcock wrote: > D > Ok.  I'm a DCL newbie.  I need to write a couple of VAX COM files.- > Could someone give me a little syntax help?  > # > What is wrong with the following:  > ) > I'm trying to pass a var into F$SEARCH.  > What is wrong with this: > 0 > $ FILNAM = "INFOPLUS$ROOT:[SITE.RUNTEST]*.TST" > $ T_STR := "is testing"  > $ T_SP := " " 
 > $ SV_FSP := 
 > $LOOP_1$ > $ FSP = F$SEARCH('FILNAM) ( > $ IF SV_FSP .EQS. "" THEN SV_FSP = FSP- > $ IF FSP .EQS. SV_FSP THEN GOTO EXIT_LOOP_1  > $ TYPE FSP > $ SV_FSP = FSP > $ GOTO LOOP_1  > $EXIT_LOOP_1:  > J > There are some files (really ascii text files with ".tst" suffix) that II > want to print to the terminal when someone logs into a certain account. I > When I run this script, it prompts me for a filename, then a string, as # > if nothing had been passed in....  >  > Thanks in advance   $ Firstly, let's get the syntax right:   Change the $LOOP_1$ to LOOP_1:1 Remove the single quote from the call to F$SEARCH  Thus:   . $ FILNAM = "INFOPLUS$ROOT:[SITE.RUNTEST]*.TST" $ T_STR := "is testing" 
 $ T_SP := " "  $ SV_FSP :=  $LOOP_1:			! changed" $ FSP = F$SEARCH(FILNAM)	! changed& $ IF SV_FSP .EQS. "" THEN SV_FSP = FSP+ $ IF FSP .EQS. SV_FSP THEN GOTO EXIT_LOOP_1 
 $ TYPE FSP $ SV_FSP = FSP
 $ GOTO LOOP_1 
 $EXIT_LOOP_1:   D Secondly, there is nowehere in there which will do any prompting, so- that is in some code you didn't include here.  --     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:24:28 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp - Message-ID: <87ad66krjn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   " VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  A > My DECUS memories are getting faded.  That was one in Las Vegas C > wasn't it?  Too many late evenings that faded right into mornings $ > and excess libations that one was!  D I still have in very good nick the `Vax Vobiscum' T-shirt from DECUS! '83 in Vegas. Tuscon LUG I think.    And no, it is not for sale :)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:57:40 +0100# From: edo <nobody@cryptorebels.net> + Subject: Rogue cancels from J F  M e z e i. ? Message-ID: <a113f11b5c17da3629f42e43e70fbf1d@cryptorebels.net>   L Beware, JF Mezei has been rogue cancelling messages for quite some time.  HeI likes to cancel messages from people he doesn't like or who say things he J doesn't agree with.  And if you post about his trolling and misbehavior onL usenet over the last decade or respond to a message that mentions it he willN forge your name and email address and cancel your message.  Most servers don'tO honor cancels these days because of rogue behavior like this, but it is still a N violation and you should report him to his ISP.  If they get enough complaintsM he will be kicked off.  Often he forgets to change his victim's forged ID and P email address back to his own after he's been cancelling other people's messagesN and posts under the forged name, so you should monitor the two groups where heO posts the most, news:comp.os.vms and news:can.internet.highspeed to see if your L name appears there.  If he posts under your name you can be sure he has been rogue cancelling your messages.    Report his abuse to:   abuse@sympatico.ca abuse@bellglobal.com abuse@istop.com    Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 695-8259   jfmezei@istop.com  jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca  "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam] nobody <nobody@nobody.com>) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:31:13 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>- Subject: Re: Routable Protocol for Clustering , Message-ID: <3FD177B1.2000601@tsoft-inc.com>   Mark Berryman wrote:  M A very good response Mark.  I had neither the time nor the elocution to form   such a valid response.   > Stuart, Ed wrote:      <snip>    K > The question to ask here is what resource limitation dictated an IP only  G >  network?  I am trying to think of a resource shortage that could be  I > addressed by the answer of going IP only and the only ones I can think  " > of are knowledge and experience.     That is so very well stated!   <another snip>    A >> My understanding was that we were speaking with HP to see what L >> solutions were available as far as IP clustering from them. If a solutionF >> couldn't be provided by HP, then Proprietary Clustering VMS wasn't  >> going to  >> be the system of choice.    >  > J > His understanding is as flawed here as everywhere else in this missive. C >  There is no way HP was ever talking about IP clustering for VMS.   J Maybe some HP types were planning on <<UPGRADING>> the customer to windoz $ clusters.  Isn't that a sad thought?   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:13:28 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Routable Protocol for Clustering - Message-ID: <87ekviks1z.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   1 "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> writes:   F > Good question, but remember, these are networking folks.  They never > even saw a star coupler.  C And, from what you have posted, reading between the lines, they are E also going to put all your SCADA and control PLC etc on an IP network E and have it all nice and `easy'. So not only do they have little idea D about networking, they seem to have totally no idea of how to set up> and maintain a reliable secure utility infrastructure. Or, any4 knowlege of recent history in the US power system...  B Get Keith Parish to send you the nasty details of how networks can screw you over.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:34:32 +0800C, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: RTL/2 Anyonep- Message-ID: <8765gukr2v.fsf@prep.synonet.com>b  * "Norbert Liew" <nliew@delinux.biz> writes:  D > First of all I know this is really obsolete but anyone knows whereD > can I get a reasonable documentation to learn RTL/2 from scratch ?& > Can never get anything from the net.  F You could try Royal Radar Establishment, or what ever they call it now? days, that's where it came from. Hooghovens in NL used it a lot 3 on RSX-11, some one may have old bits stashed away.   B You could also try google groops, I think this came up a long time+ ago, and there may have been a Vax version.v   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.-@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:54:07 +0100d2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>4 Subject: Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name?) Message-ID: <bqruot$9g$1@reader11.wxs.nl>R   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  ? > Would you consider upgrading to Multinet/PMDF, which exhibitsD% > your desired behavior on EISNER:: ?   I I would if the supplier of Multinet offered a "competitive upgrade" from hD   UCX at nearly zero cost. I will seriously look into it though, me  being at wit's end...o   -- t
 Wilm Boerhouts   w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl(    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address)   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2003 08:14:38 -0600m- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m4 Subject: Re: Telnet session with fixed TNAnnn: name?3 Message-ID: <6TcfDBe2wz74@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  ^ In article <bqruot$9g$1@reader11.wxs.nl>, Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > @ >> Would you consider upgrading to Multinet/PMDF, which exhibits& >> your desired behavior on EISNER:: ? > K > I would if the supplier of Multinet offered a "competitive upgrade" from E >   UCX at nearly zero cost.  2 If things* were free, I would be running a GS1280.     *including electricity.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:44:50 -0500h( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>$ Subject: Re: Unknown memory modules., Message-ID: <3FD17AE2.6030400@tsoft-inc.com>  M AS for value, the AlphaStation 200 has only 3 banks for SIMMs, so with 16 MB  J SIMMs that's a total of 96 MB.  Not enough for me.  I'm using 64 MB SIMMs.  O In the past, maybe a year ago, such were going on E-Bay rather cheaply.  Can't hT remember exactly, but may in the $15-$25 range, maybe less.  Today I'd say way less.  Q Might be worth more to label them well and place them in your memory stash.  But h then I'm a packrat.  :-)   Dave     Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:e   > Yes, thanks. > Next question...! > Is there *any* value in these ?e6 > I think they are 16 Mb modules and I have 8 of them.7 > I had 128 Mb in the Jensen, so that seems reasonable.e >  > Any offers ? >  > Jan-Erik.n >  > Chris Scheers wrote: >  >>Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:f >> >>>Hi.; >>>I have a couple of modules that I think has been mountedb7 >>>in a "Jensen" box. They are marked "MT36D436M-7" and6 >>>"Micron Tech USA".P >>>dG >>Well, if it is out of a Jensen, then it is a 72 pin SIMM with parity.i >>  >>The -7 says it is a 70ns part. >>J >>This is pretty generic and should work in any of the boxes that will useI >>such memory.  This includes many 486/Pentium (pre DIMM) class machines,SD >>Multias, Alphastation 200s and 255s, AXP 150s (obviously! they are >>Jensens).e >> >>Does this help?  >>I >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- & >>Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. >>D >>Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com >>  Fax: 817-237-30747 >>       --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadi Vanderbilt, PA  15486c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 02:59:36 +1100: From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz>9 Subject: Re: Will VMS contribute to Microsoft's profits ?bC Message-ID: <3fd1fd23$0$31748$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>     Lawyers don't make money per se.  H Lawyers are like Robin Hood and actually just facilitate the solution ofH other peoples disputes taking from both parties and giving to the needy.  K Needy is a legal definiton going back to the roots of the common law and isoL defined as those who help facilitate the solution of other peoplese disputes   sounds fair to me.   --   David McKenzie   elimate rugby to reply    Phone:   +613 9844 0047 Mobile:   +61 405 505 956w2  Email:    david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.rugby.biz)    Web:    http://www.paradigm-shift.biz/l   IT Law and security a bad mix A "Marty Kuhrt" <kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org> wrote in message - news:eVtLp2JbgTwa@eisner.encompasserve.org...a@ > In article <vt1ruqeo8plaa3@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:; > > "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messagee. > > news:3FD0EE95.7AD1A463@sture.homeip.net... > >> Bochnik, William J wrote: > >> >I > >> > the link mentions something I didnt think of - flash cards - so dos thet	 > > flashiI > >> > card manufacturers pay or do the camera manufactureres (who formate thei	 > > flashh > >> > as fat) pay.b > >>; > >> http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/fat.asp again:l > >> > >> The card manufacturers: > >>@ > >> "A license for removable solid state media manufacturers toD > >> preformat the media, such as compact flash memory cards, to theD > >> Microsoft FAT file system format, and to preload data onto suchC > >> preformatted media using the Microsoft FAT file system format.3E > >> Pricing for this license is US$0.25 per unit with a cap on total%- > >> royalties of $250,000 per manufacturer."  > >> > >0K > > I take it to mean that MS wants $0.25 for each preformatted flash card.N ItC > > seems unfair that a flash card manufacturer has to pay $0.25 to 	 preformatL5 > > the media but a floppy disk manufacturer doesn't.  > > ; > > I predict that lots of lawyers will make lots of money.  >S9 > Lawyers?  Making money?  When did that start happening?E >0 > ;^{& > : > (a wink and a grimace (or a Snidley Whiplash moustache))   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:01:58 -00005 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> = Subject: Re: Will VMS have to pay royalties Microsoft ? (FAT)A: Message-ID: <bqsd83$25idid$1@ID-191217.news.uni-berlin.de>  7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messageA* news:3FD18443.5D621119@sture.homeip.net... > w m r wrote: > > G > > "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> wrote in message2, news:<q_0Ab.595$o_.17091@news.uswest.net>... > >MF > > > Microsoft got its start by writing BASIC for the M.I.T.S. Altair personalK > > > computer.  Bill Gates and Paul Allen demo'd BASIC for this machine in  early J > > > 1975.  The biggest impact of Altair-BASIC was the file system, which used an H > > > allocation table to bring the concept of scattered (cluster based) storage L > > > to the files.  This was the first FAT file system and it was the first timeI > > > .  Prior to this, microcomputer (and many mini-computer) files were  always, > > > stored as a single, contiguous, block. > >0G > > What about good ol' DOS-11?  I don't remember it much (early 70's),0B > > but I think you could have more than one file open for writingG > > (contrast with RT-11).  Maybe DEC->Compaq->HP should be going after7 > > M$.H > > J > Eh? What contrast with RT-11? Definitely not restricted to only one file	 > open...0  D The point is, if I understand it correctly, whether files have to be8 contiguous. They did with RT-11 and they don't with FAT.  
 rob van lopik      --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 1-12-2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:42:09 +08000, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: Will VMS have to pay royalties Microsoft ? (FAT) - Message-ID: <871xrikqq6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   : "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> writes:  B > Microsoft got its start by writing BASIC for the M.I.T.S. AltairE > personal computer.  Bill Gates and Paul Allen demo'd BASIC for this D > machine in early 1975.  The biggest impact of Altair-BASIC was theE > file system, which used an allocation table to bring the concept of E > scattered (cluster based) storage to the files.  This was the first0= > FAT file system and it was the first time .  Prior to this,0F > microcomputer (and many mini-computer) files were always stored as a > single, contiguous, block.  H Oh, and what of ODS-1? OR the Tops-10 level C file system? In 75, ODS-2,E yes, *2* was speced though not in the public eye, so that claim is so  much megashit, again...h     -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 15:39:35 +0100-* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>= Subject: Re: Will VMS have to pay royalties Microsoft ? (FAT)u0 Message-ID: <3FD1F837.54F9A5D5@sture.homeip.net>   Robert A.M. van Lopik wrote: > 9 > "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messaged, > news:3FD18443.5D621119@sture.homeip.net... > > w m r wrote: > > >tI > > > "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> wrote in message]. > news:<q_0Ab.595$o_.17091@news.uswest.net>... > > >tH > > > > Microsoft got its start by writing BASIC for the M.I.T.S. Altair
 > personalM > > > > computer.  Bill Gates and Paul Allen demo'd BASIC for this machine inu > earlyIL > > > > 1975.  The biggest impact of Altair-BASIC was the file system, which	 > used aneJ > > > > allocation table to bring the concept of scattered (cluster based)	 > storagenN > > > > to the files.  This was the first FAT file system and it was the first > timeK > > > > .  Prior to this, microcomputer (and many mini-computer) files were. > always. > > > > stored as a single, contiguous, block. > > >rI > > > What about good ol' DOS-11?  I don't remember it much (early 70's), D > > > but I think you could have more than one file open for writingI > > > (contrast with RT-11).  Maybe DEC->Compaq->HP should be going after 	 > > > M$.) > > >9L > > Eh? What contrast with RT-11? Definitely not restricted to only one file > > open...  > F > The point is, if I understand it correctly, whether files have to be: > contiguous. They did with RT-11 and they don't with FAT. >   H Yes indeed. Now you mention it, IIRC by default DIBOL on RT-11 would tryH to grab half the available free space on the target disk when opening anE output file, only truncating it on the CLOSE. So yes, multiple outputm1 files open at the same time could cause problems.   G I cannot remember whether other compilers exhibited the same behaviour.e
 Too long ago.p   -- e
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2003 07:26:27 GMTr2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>= Subject: Re: X terminal MOP connected to a uVAX: replacement?S5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-JrhnwtX3wQih@localhost>   6 On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:12:29 UTC, "Richard B. Gilbert"  <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:o  J > I would not try it on a PC with Reflection-X.  There doesn't seem to be H > any way to map the PC keyboard to the DEC keyboard unless you want to J > study X-windows keycodes, keysyms, etc.  It seems to me to be something I > that should just work, right out of the box but it doesn't!  The VTxxx cC > emulations do an excelent job of keyboard mapping; it's just the  # > X-windows stuff that's a problem.o  E What about a PC with a VT layout keyboard? I've just attached one to tF one of mine. It seems to work fine in normal PC mode but I haven't had4 a chance to try it using Reflection or similar yet.    -- t Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:48:28 GMT.L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")Y Subject: Re: [SURVEY] Do you still code programs in Cobol? Ingres? On vax/vms/alpha/itani-6 Message-ID: <00A29F12.BE7CF894@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  S In article <1ek2tv0tf8e9e0o54ttlcuo7utcbl25vmk@4ax.com>, notValid@yahoo.com writes:  >e9 >[SURVEY] Do you still code programs in Cobol? Ingres? Ont >vax/vms/alpha/itaniumB >                           See BOTTOM of this page if you want toD >respond directly to my personal email address instead of posting to
 >the net!! >h >A% >Do you still code programs in Cobol?i  / Nope, but I never did once I got out of school.dM I still use Fortran, along with SQL, Perl, DCL, awk, some forays into Python,a Datatrieve, etc.   >t& >Do you still code programs in Ingres?  
 Never did.   >e >Do you still use vax/vms?   Yes.   >Alpha?    At work and at home.  	 >Itanium?   . Not yet, and not until we have some reason to. >.= >Have you been involved in a migration from vax/vms to alpha?    Yes.  ! >What problems did you encounter?l  L TDMS hadn't been ported at that time, and getting support on the third-partyJ TDMS emulator was a major pain (and still is).  TDMS is now available but M it costs way too much for it; we're still trying to get rid of it altogether.    >y >----------e >Employment question:c >i >Since I am looking for work...aB >Do you have a need for a full time or part time (20 hours a week)/ >cobol and or Ingres on a vax/alpha programmer?c   Nope, but good luck with that!   -- Alane -- oO =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056oM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025rO ===============================================================================c   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:55:43 GMTd" From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net>Y Subject: Re: [SURVEY] Do you still code programs in Cobol? Ingres? On vax/vms/alpha/itani + Message-ID: <jQgAb.21174$bC.15081@clgrps13>t   notValid@yahoo.com wrote:<  9 >[SURVEY] Do you still code programs in Cobol? Ingres? On. >vax/vms/alpha/itaniumB >                           See BOTTOM of this page if you want toD >respond directly to my personal email address instead of posting to
 >the net!! >m >a% >Do you still code programs in Cobol?y >g             No.a   >t& >Do you still code programs in Ingres? >m            No.   >d >Do you still use vax/vms? >W@           No.  Got rid of the last VAX (VAXstation) a month ago.   >Alpha?n >iJ           Yes.  Alpha's for major clinical and some financial applications%           for the regional hospitals.l  	 >Itanium?g > 
           No.t   >n= >Have you been involved in a migration from vax/vms to alpha?  >G)             Yes.  In preparation for Y2K.t  ! >What problems did you encounter?t >.             None major.n:             We had to migrate our home-grown VAX librariesG             and approximately 10K BASIC programs to the Alpha platform.n   >m >----------s >Employment question:< >n >Since I am looking for work...wB >Do you have a need for a full time or part time (20 hours a week)/ >cobol and or Ingres on a vax/alpha programmer?c ><>              I don't know  because I am not involved with the  application groups. H              However, we do have over 20 full-time application analysts  spending5             a lot of their time programming in BASIC.b   >rA >if so, please email me at    schiffkey_removethisspam@cfl.rr.com  >U >jerrold >  i >.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.675 ************************