1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 07 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 676       Contents: Re: Andrews stuck in time ...  Re: Andrews stuck in time ...  Re: Andrews stuck in time ... " Disaster Recovery World convention Re: DS700 RAS configuration  Re: Hairdoo Economics  Re: Hairdoo Economics  Re: Hairdoo Economics  Re: My new Sun e250? Re: Passing var into F$SEARCH  Re: Passing var into F$SEARCH  Re: Passing var into F$SEARCH & Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp Re: Replacement for CSWING? $ Re: Routable Protocol for Clustering$ Re: Routable Protocol for Clustering( VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMS, Re: VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMS, Re: VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMSC VMS positions in cold but earthquake-free Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 4 Re: Will VMS have to pay royalties Microsoft ? (FAT)4 Re: Will VMS have to pay royalties Microsoft ? (FAT)4 Re: X terminal MOP connected to a uVAX: replacement?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:00:29 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>& Subject: Re: Andrews stuck in time ...* Message-ID: <3FD23560.2090507@prodigy.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote:   @ > why are you still babling about a GS320?  The latest model out> > is the GS1280, and we know how it kicks your 80,000 chip sun > crap in the rear ...  > Hasn't the whole Alpha line been EOL'd?  That sort of ends the discussion for me.   --  G After being targeted with gigabytes of trash by the "SWEN" worm, I have F concluded we must conceal our e-mail address.  Our true address is theF mirror image of what you see before the "@" symbol.  It's a shame such( steps are necessary.          ...Charlie   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:33:41 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> & Subject: Re: Andrews stuck in time ...: Message-ID: <VWrAb.108768$Eq1.13380@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  + CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> wrote in message $ news:3FD23560.2090507@prodigy.net... > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > B > > why are you still babling about a GS320?  The latest model out@ > > is the GS1280, and we know how it kicks your 80,000 chip sun > > crap in the rear ... > @ > Hasn't the whole Alpha line been EOL'd?  That sort of ends the > discussion for me.  L If your using that futuristic argument....  Then the whole industry has been EOL'd.  Not just Alpha's.   J They are still shipping newer Alpha's with more improvements and are goingH to continue for at least the next 2 years.  (I forget the roadmap)  That& does not sound like End Of Life to me.   >  > --I > After being targeted with gigabytes of trash by the "SWEN" worm, I have H > concluded we must conceal our e-mail address.  Our true address is theH > mirror image of what you see before the "@" symbol.  It's a shame such* > steps are necessary.          ...Charlie   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 18:19:22 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>& Subject: Re: Andrews stuck in time ...) Message-ID: <3FD263F8.BA81CBD0@istop.com>    Mike Naime wrote: N > If your using that futuristic argument....  Then the whole industry has been > EOL'd.  Not just Alpha's.   G Microsoft has given absolutely 0 indication ity would be willing to let I Windows go. Its Windows CE may have, for a long time, been dismissed, and N Microsoft may have failed to make it mainstream in phones, but it has used itsJ relationship with folks like HP (Compaq) to force its way into the market.  U HP has given every indication that the sooner it has rid itself of Alpha, the better.   L > They are still shipping newer Alpha's with more improvements and are goingJ > to continue for at least the next 2 years.  (I forget the roadmap)  That( > does not sound like End Of Life to me.  C Yes, you can forget the roadmap because it is meaningless. The only F improvement left is the same EV7 chip with the same process. They haveJ admitted that the current design is capable of higher clock rates.  I haveH seen no indication that HP would release new system names/designs. It isF likely that the current batch of systems is the last one with just the% slightly faster EV7 coming next year.   K For all we know, HP has already fabbed the last (big) batch of Alpha chips, G selecting those capable of the higher speeds to be sold only next year.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 00:36:35 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> + Subject: Disaster Recovery World convention L Message-ID: <nCuAb.197719$Fv8.29820@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  H The Spring 2004 Disaster Recovery World (www.drj.com) convention will be held Mar. 7-10/04 in Orlando.   H I wonder if HP will be there exhibiting or even talking about OpenVMS to2 that group of key influencers and decision makers.   Somehow I doubt it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 13:27:29 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> $ Subject: Re: DS700 RAS configuration' Message-ID: <3FD23BB1.7090203@MMaz.com>    Rich Jordan wrote:  [ >"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<3FCE152A.5020908@MMaz.com>...  >    > 7 >>Port  4:                               Server: DS7000  >>  H >>Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600H >>Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:              9600H >>Parity:                 None           Modem Control:          Enabled >>Stop Bits:           Dynamic >>  H >>Access:                Local           Local Switch:              NoneH >>Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_4H >>Break:                 Local           Session Limit:                4H >>Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      AnsiH >>Default Protocol:        LAT           Default Menu:              NoneH >>                                       Dialer Script:             None >>Dedicated Service: V4100 >>   >>Authorized Groups:   0 >>(Current)  Groups:   0 >>   >>Enabled Characteristics:= >>Autobaud,  Autoconnect,  Autoprompt,  Broadcast,  Failover, @ >>Input Flow Control,  Lock,  Loss Notification,  Message Codes,$ >>Output Flow Control,  Verification >> >>     >> >  >..  >  >    > F >>If you have problems with baud, most likely it is your modem (in my E >>estimation), because with this config we the DS connects at 115200:  >>7 >>Port  4:                               Server: DS7000  >>  H >>Character Size:            8           Input Speed:             115200H >>Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:            115200H >>Parity:                 None           Modem Control:          Enabled >>Stop Bits:           Dynamic >>  H >>Access:                Local           Local Switch:              NoneH >>Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_4H >>Break:                 Local           Session Limit:                4H >>Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      AnsiH >>Default Protocol:        LAT           Default Menu:              NoneH >>                                       Dialer Script:             None >>...  >>Barry  >>     >> >  >Barry, G >     thanks for the samples.  We didn't have problems using the dialup E >for a straight terminal connection, though; I've got modems on DS200 D >and DS700-16s that are only used for terminal dialin and connect atF >19200 and 38400 without problems (old configs from 14.4 modem days). G >I only had the one modem for PPP dialin testing, and I believe you are F >correct that it must have been the source of the speed problem.  I'llF >make sure whatever modems we try later have the documented ability toC >lock the serial port speed instead of apparently letting it float.  > + >      What make/model modem are you using?  >    > 2 A US Robotics, V.92 external modem P/N R24.0296.00  I I've not been a USR fan for a long time, but I was in a pinch and needed  H a 'real' modem (which are also becoming harder to find vs WINmodems) so   I bought this.  Been flawless...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:06:40 -0600? From: "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  Subject: Re: Hairdoo Economics, Message-ID: <VOOdnSkJhP7U2U-iRVn-uw@dls.net>  0 "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> wrote in message4 news:podAb.108679$Eq1.77942@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...A > I know that this is feeding the troll, but here goes anyways...  > 7 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % > news:3FD1016E.B3A9E4FD@istop.com...  > > David Harrold wrote:K > > > Porting an operating system from one hardware architecture to another 	 > isn't a  > > > significant investment?  > > K > > From the customer's point of view, no. Valuuable engineer time is spent C > > re-inventing a wheel instead of improving an existing perfectly 
 functional > wheel. > J > And what would you know about a paying customers point of view?  My homeI > requirements are a lot different from my work requirements. (And budget  :-)   @ From (another) paying customer's point of view, I tend to agree.  E The way the beginning of the Alpha to IA64 transition was handled was D nothing short of sheer idiocy. Witness: the VAX to Alpha transition.  L We (the customers) would have been better served, IMO, by letting the marketI choose between Itanic and Opteron while the VMS folks plan the port, THEN I proceed full steam in whatever direction the market indicates as the most 
 lucrative.  L > > Now, HP doesn't care that VMS's progress will be slowed down by a number > ofJ > > years because resources will be assigned to the porting, but customers do > careA > > because features they need will take longer to appear to VMS.  > H > I will agree that it appears that HP doesn't care.  But I can say thatG > improvements/changes that we asked for both prior to and after the HP  mergerF > have been produced.  The Compaq/DEC folks that we where dealing with beforeI > the merger are still in place.  It's a matter of how big your stick is.  For L > someone that is just using a hobbiest system, your real chances of gettingL > heard are about nil.  Someone that purchases new hardware by the rack full > gets heard a lot more.  = ...but nowhere near enough. LONG story behind that statement!   J > > Secondly, since IA64 is not seen as a winner in the industry, there is noH > > motivation to go to IA64 from a customer's point of view, especially since  > a G > > convertion to a new platform, even if the hardware s donated by the 	 > vendor, H > > involves significant costs for the customer. And again, the customer will > beL > > busy porting their code and retesting it to certify its operation on the > new @ > > platform instead of spending time making their employer more competitive. > L > And what makes you think that business customers/vendors/resellers are not@ > already working on doing an IA64 port for their apps with HP's
 co-operation?   F Well, since advertising VMS or anything associated with it is almost a. capital offense, how would *ANY*one know???!!!  J > > As a result of this exercise, the lead VMS had over others will narrow	 > because C > > meanwhile, AIX andf Solaris and even Windows continue to invest 	 resources  > intoH > > improving their systems. And from a customer point of view, the time spent J > > with the port will allow the customer's competitors to advance faster. > F > And AIX and winDOZE will still be fallover clusters.  Only VMS/TRU64J > currently allow you to SHARE and access the same disk drive in a cluster atL > the same time.  As long as this is true, the rest of the competition has a > long way to go!   G All the more reason to be "burning the financial boats" buying adverts.   L If you develop a cure for cancer, but you're the only one who knows, where's the benefit?  I > > Yes, you can argue that the port will allow the engineers to clean up  the J > > code, thus making it easier to port to the 8086, but again, that gives no" > > benefit to the customer today. >  > Not today,  H Consider that "the world" is IA32, and will be for the forseeable futureG until 64-bit gets some penetration, I take *GREAT* exception to that. I G always have. Trouble is, I'm the only person on the face of God's green & earth who understands the truth of it.  C > but in the future, if I can buy a IA64 home PC from Best Buy, and L > load a hobbiest license on it...   This could potentially kill Billy boy's > monopoly on the home market.  H Getting a foothold on the corporate desktop will virtually guarantee youL some eventual success in the home computer market, especially if you can get support for gaming.    D.J.D.J (I'm trying LookOut! Express on a "new" (used) laptop I just got. Sorry if. this comes out as MIME or some other garbage.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:38:25 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Hairdoo Economics) Message-ID: <3FD29292.91D87D2D@istop.com>    Michael Austin wrote: I > I run a shop that has more than 150 Alpha/VMS systems -- and growing by J > the rack-full (DS20/25,ES40/45/47,GS1280-one with more on order))... allG > on TCPIP V5.3xx  and I don't have any problems with it... DECNET OSI, 6 > TCPIP, VLANS, PVLANS, PVWANS... it just plain works!  I While TCPIP Servoces 5.* has been a big improvement over UCX, the product M suite still has a long way to go. The SMTP software and VMS mail need a major 	 upgrade.    L The core needs to be fixed (5.3 causes *VMS* to crash if you try to enable aI LSIP line on VAX, VAX TCPIP still alcks PPP support, there is no SSH that M comes with the product, the location of the files leaves a lot to be desired. K And they could have simply put all the "unix" utilities in a directory with L the proper file names and then used DLC$PATH instead of defining a gazillion5 symbols that make it harder to view your own symbols.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 22:37:41 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Hairdoo Economics2 Message-ID: <kvCdnb7WQKMePU-iRVn-uA@metrocast.net>  5 "David Harrold" <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> wrote in message 2 news:4tm3tv43a391atm3b83736clkhd7gl5bsa@4ax.com...I > On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:42:05 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>  wrote: >  > > 8 > >"David Harrold" <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> wrote in message5 > >news:pri1tv0j8fvvkdk8d1ubdr0qg1vrm5rgv4@4ax.com...  >  > [snip] >  > >>J > >> But, I keep forgetting that you are mad about the Alpha decision.  So > >anything - > >> that helps the IA64 plan is a bad thing.  > >  > >No - you're just clueless.  > ' > Why? Because, I don't agree with you?   ( No, because you don't have a clue - duh.  $   That just means I have a different
 > opinion.  C No, it does not:  it means not only that your opinion is based upon I ignorance, but that you're also unwilling to be educated (having had more < than sufficient opportunity to become so had you wished to).  E   And other than your constant whining about the Alpha/IA64 decision, I > you haven't provided any useful arguments that don't start out with "HP 4 > wrongly killed Alpha, so anything they do is bad."  @ If you can't be bothered to understand what others say, you'd beJ well-advised not to make yourself look like an idiot by paraphrasing it so incompetently.   > 
 > Get a life.   H I have a fine one, thank you - and I'd prefer not to have it diverted byK having to counter the verbal flatulence of people like you.  But as long as H it might influence newcomers who aren't already far more conversant withE reality than you appear to be, I'll provide counterpoint as required.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:55:50 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: My new Sun e250? L Message-ID: <avqAb.193509$Fv8.42809@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:VH3yb.23062$ZmO.22931@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > ...snip... >>/ >> Can't help you on this, but have a question:  >>G >> What did the application vendor say when you asked them is there was  >> a VMS version of their app? >>A >> Are you planning to sent their reply to carly(tm), Marcello, & E >> Gorham along with the details of the 'lost' Alpha/VMS sale to your  >> organization? >>G >> Not directed at you personally Neil, but I think it's important that ? >> every VMS shop did something like this each and every time a A >> competitor's box walked in the door because there wasn't a VMS   >> version of the app available. >>E >> Not that HP would care enough to do anything substantive about it.  >> > B > I agree with your thoughts but getting people to change it isn'tG > always possible (1. especially when technological arguments take on a  > religious zeal. C > 2. especially if some internal sales bozo in your own company has G > already made the decision). I did take an slightly alternate approach E > by asking if they had any plans to move their application to LINUX; D > if the answer would have been positive then I would have mentionedD > the fact that we were an OpenVMS shop and a UNIX compatibility APID > was built into OpenVMS. However, the vendor isn't even considering > moving to LINUX. > C > As an aside, this small vendor (less than 100 employees) was just G > purchased by a very large American company and I've noticed that they C > appear to be losing their dogma as the first round of layoffs are G > kicking in. In the mean time I've got to support a Sun e250 with host 
 > based RAID.      Neil,   L The HP apologists say, paraphrasing heavily,  'Comments and suggestions haveB more value to management if it comes from customers rather than HPH employees'.  I wasn't suggesting any zealous attitude, but rather just aK mater of fact comment from a customer letter to the HP alseep-at-the-switch K executives stating that since app 'XYZ' or reasonable facsimile thereof was K not available on VMS, VMS is getting turfed-out or an Alpha sale was lost - H thought you might like to know why your bonus will be reduced this year.  G I simply comes down to HP creating the right kind of climate for a wide I range of ISVs and their apps to be available on VMS. And that as you well K know and appreciate comes from ISV awareness of VMS being a viable platform H for them to expend development time/money and marketing/sales effort on.G Will HP ever do that for VMS to the extent that Sun or IBM do for their  ISV's?    L Some Thomas Edision-isms which appear to be the operating principles at work% for HP with respect to VMS marketing:   ? I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. ) [HP is still working on the 10,000 ways.]     J Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up. = [Not advertising and marketing VMS is the same as giving up.]     B Good fortune is what happens when opportunity meets with planning.K [HP has had plenty of opportunity to capitalize on recent current events to K create an advertising and marketing campaign which highlights VMS strength, K but they have squandered those opportunies through lack of planning and the $ concommitant lack of will to do so.]  L It is said of Edison that many of his inventions were not unique, but EdisonI showed unique skills in winning the patents and *beating his opponents by ' better marketing skills and influence.*   L Nikola Tesla had to say about Edison's method of problem-solving: "If EdisonE had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the K diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found the object J of his search. I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a littleJ theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor."K HP could be taking a page from Tesla's book and help its customers save 90% J of their labor by actively marketing and recommending VMS-based systems to them at the outset.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 02:00:29 +1100 From: BAH <bah@bit.bucket>& Subject: Re: Passing var into F$SEARCH" Message-ID: <duqsqb.uv8.ln@really>  J On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:28:52 -0600, Rob Babcock <robnjay@tisd.net> Wrote :F > Ok.  I'm a DCL newbie.  I need to write a couple of VAX COM files.  - > Could someone give me a little syntax help?  > # > What is wrong with the following:  > ) > I'm trying to pass a var into F$SEARCH.  > What is wrong with this: > 0 > $ FILNAM = "INFOPLUS$ROOT:[SITE.RUNTEST]*.TST" > $ T_STR := "is testing"  > $ T_SP := " " 
 > $ SV_FSP := 
 > $LOOP_1$ > $ FSP = F$SEARCH('FILNAM) ( > $ IF SV_FSP .EQS. "" THEN SV_FSP = FSP- > $ IF FSP .EQS. SV_FSP THEN GOTO EXIT_LOOP_1  > $ TYPE FSP > $ SV_FSP = FSP > $ GOTO LOOP_1  > $EXIT_LOOP_1:       . $ filnam = "infoplus$root:[site.runtest]*.tst" $ t_str = "is testing" $ t_sp = " "
 $ su_fsp = ""  $!	 $ loop_1:  $! $ fsp = f$search(filnam)= $ if fsp .eqs. "" .or. fsp .eqs. sv_fsp then goto exit_loop_1 & $ if sv_fsp .eqs. "" then sv_fsp = fsp $ type 'fsp' $ sv_fsp = fsp
 $ goto loop_1  $! $ exit_loop_1: $!    C Completely untried and untested - I need to restore some backups so B I can boot my little Alpha. I discovered AGAIN why one should testE destructive command procedures with no privileges turned on. That way A a " $ delete *.*;*" when the default is sys$system won't hurt too  much....:-)    > K > There are some files (really ascii text files with ".tst" suffix) that I  K > want to print to the terminal when someone logs into a certain account.   J > When I run this script, it prompts me for a filename, then a string, as # > if nothing had been passed in....  >  > Thanks in advance  >  >  >  >      --  
 BAH Humbug   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2003 13:24:21 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: Passing var into F$SEARCH3 Message-ID: <qT4m58oyYch6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ? In article <duqsqb.uv8.ln@really>, BAH <bah@bit.bucket> writes: L > On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:28:52 -0600, Rob Babcock <robnjay@tisd.net> Wrote :G >> Ok.  I'm a DCL newbie.  I need to write a couple of VAX COM files.   . >> Could someone give me a little syntax help? >>  $ >> What is wrong with the following:   >> $ FSP = F$SEARCH('FILNAM)  & There should be no single quote there.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:02:07 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> & Subject: Re: Passing var into F$SEARCH0 Message-ID: <d62dna4yOqx5zE-iRVn-hg@comcast.com>  % Here is the original with commentary.   E $ FILNAM = "INFOPLUS$ROOT:[SITE.RUNTEST]*.TST"  ! Finds all versions! , $ T_STR := "is testing"    ! Unused variable0 $ T_SP := " "                  ! Unused variable $ SV_FSP := H $LOOP_1$                    ! Invalid syntax for a label.   Should read  $LOOP:G $ FSP = F$SEARCH('FILNAM)    ! Apostrophe not needed.  If you use them  
 then 'FILNAM' A $! What should it do  IF FSP .EQS. ""   i.e. if no file is found? E $ IF SV_FSP .EQS. "" THEN SV_FSP = FSP    ! What is this supposed to   accomplish? 9 $ IF FSP .EQS. SV_FSP THEN GOTO EXIT_LOOP_1   ! And this? G $ TYPE FSP                   ! Need apostrophes here else it looks for    FSP.LIS in the current directory $ SV_FSP = FSP
 $ GOTO LOOP_1 
 $EXIT_LOOP_1:   
 Rewriting:G $!  Type the most recent version of each file matching the filespec in   FILNAM to the users terminal.  $!0 $ FILNAM = "INFOPLUS$ROOT:[SITE.RUNTEST]*.TST;0" $LOOP_1: $ FSP = F$SEARCH(FILNAM)J $ IF FSP .EQS. "" THEN EXIT    ! No file found.  See HELP LEXICAL F$SEARCH $ TYPE 'FSP'
 $ GOTO LOOP_1    Rob Babcock wrote:  F > Ok.  I'm a DCL newbie.  I need to write a couple of VAX COM files.  - > Could someone give me a little syntax help?  > # > What is wrong with the following:  > ) > I'm trying to pass a var into F$SEARCH.  > What is wrong with this: > 0 > $ FILNAM = "INFOPLUS$ROOT:[SITE.RUNTEST]*.TST" > $ T_STR := "is testing"  > $ T_SP := " " 
 > $ SV_FSP := 
 > $LOOP_1$ > $ FSP = F$SEARCH('FILNAM) ( > $ IF SV_FSP .EQS. "" THEN SV_FSP = FSP- > $ IF FSP .EQS. SV_FSP THEN GOTO EXIT_LOOP_1  > $ TYPE FSP > $ SV_FSP = FSP > $ GOTO LOOP_1  > $EXIT_LOOP_1:  > I > There are some files (really ascii text files with ".tst" suffix) that  C > I want to print to the terminal when someone logs into a certain  I > account.  When I run this script, it prompts me for a filename, then a  . > string, as if nothing had been passed in.... >  > Thanks in advance  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2003 13:44:57 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312061344.6390b00c@posting.google.com>   X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A29E86.1F2668F9@SendSpamHere.ORG>...t > In article <bqovm3$23j7r3$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> writes: > >Hello again,  > >  > >PEACE PLEASE!!!!  > >  > >Short version:  > > L > >All I wanted (and still) want to do is to share the good memories of the J > >bootcamp with the other attendees and the community at large. I do not K > >want to harm/cause discomfort/rip off anybody at all. As Barts reaction  K > >clearly shows there are people with serious misgivings about what I did  G > >with their pictures and who think I stepped way out of bounds. I do  I > >sincerely apologize to everybody who feels this way. >>All<< pictures  J > >from the bootcamp showing any person at all have been removed from the  > >server as of now!!! > I > ...and once again the world can rest safely, safe in the knowledge that I > the threats of sleazy law(lie)yers and or those that would employ their G > sleasy services have been able to erode the basic freedoms of others.  > H > What is the difference between Al Qaeda and the Trial Law(lie)yers As-G > sociation?  Nothing!  They both have the same effects of having good,   E Well, since you asked: Al Qaeda commits mass murder -- lawyers don't. E Al Qaeda's aim is to destroy Western civilization. Lawyers (well, the ? ones you speak of, not all lawyers are such) want to line their > pockets by raiding deep pockets. Seems pretty different to me.  H > honest, hardworking citizenry of the "free-world" (an oxymoron if everH > I've heard one) cowering at the prospects of this group of terroristicH > progressive hypocrites enacting some future tort and torture (What the > fuck's the difference?     Words escape me.  0 > Ever notice that the root of torture IS tort?)  ? Oh, yeah, that means a lot. Is this the basis of your argument?    > campaign against them. > G > This group is eroding into a bunch of weedy New Yorkers (or a stone's   A Boy, you are full of insults today. New Yorkers have bravely gone F about their business despite the horrors of 9/11. I worked with people= some of whom died in the twin towers. You are very insulting.   H > throw to if you know what I mean) slinging their "you've done me me meH > wrong" pretentiousness and then doing others wrong by throwing volleys > of law(lie)yers at them. > + > Hey Martin, go ahead and post my picture.    Aren't you the brave one.   F I understand your point about certain lawyers (not all lawyers do whatB you complain about), but do you have to be so insulting to so many! others? Take an anger pill, dude.    Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:04:31 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp 0 Message-ID: <00A29FBC.A68CB4AB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <b096a4ee.0312061344.6390b00c@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: {...snip...}B >Boy, you are full of insults today. New Yorkers have bravely goneG >about their business despite the horrors of 9/11. I worked with people > >some of whom died in the twin towers. You are very insulting.  E Nothing so terrible as the horror I endured '94-'98 at the hands of a  NYer.       G >I understand your point about certain lawyers (not all lawyers do what C >you complain about), but do you have to be so insulting to so many " >others? Take an anger pill, dude.   Wrong!  All law(lie)yers!!!    --K http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the best OpenVMS system security solutions.    K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 23:52:49 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> $ Subject: Re: Replacement for CSWING?0 Message-ID: <lZtAb.442412$HS4.3481380@attbi_s01>   Keith A. Lewis wrote: H > Between the 7.3-1 upgrade and the ODS-5 conversion, CSWING seems to be( > fairly hosed.  Is there a replacement? > O > The important features are viewing, moving, and deletion of directory trees.  J > The CDE's File Manager is decent, I've found.  Is anybody using anything > else to replace CSWING?  > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.  I I have found that somewhere in the recent ECOs for v7.3-1, the problems I I used to have with CSwing v3.7.6 have all but gone away.  NOW, I don't use K it with ODS-5, but even with ODS-2, it was pretty broken.  I honestly don't K know where it got "fixed".  I was not testing CSwing and v7.3-1 anymore and H just accidentally started using an old executable from OpenVMS v6.2 that worked just fine...    Rick --  J Richard L. Dyson                                      rick-dyson@uiowa.eduK   _   _  _____                      http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/ J | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst   --   INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsJ | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems Dept. BT1000 GH   Office: 319/384-7016K   \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052                 FAX: 319/384-7020 E                  (Consulting to the Physics and Astronomy Department)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:30:39 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: Routable Protocol for Clustering ) Message-ID: <3FD290C0.11E44797@istop.com>    Paul Repacholi wrote: D > Get Keith Parish to send you the nasty details of how networks can > screw you over.   J If you do not have the in-house credibility/clout to convince your networkN folks, then getting Tom Paris's brother might in fact be a good idea. He wouldD have the clout and expertise to convince your organisation about theA importance of a "real" network for your mission critical cluster.   K It is always harder for in-house folks to convince their peers than if some L outside "expert" is brought in. And Keith Paris is perhaps one of the better known experts in this field.  K I would sugggest you get in touch with Sue Skonetsky who is the "mother" of I the ambassadors and she might be able to arrange for a renowned expert to K visit your organisation to not only preserve your systems, but perhaps even N convince your org to choose VMS for other applications because of its superior clustering and reliability.   M Sending someone like Keith Paris to save an existing VMS customer and perhaps J even convince that customer to grow their VMS infrastructure would be good$ business decision for the VMS group.  N However, make 300% sure HP sends you a renowned expert. There is nothing worseI than you doing all the rgoundwork to prepare your in house folks to get a G presentation from a Digital (HP) expert and it is just some local sales P critter who shows up with a few slides that are totally unimpressive to techies.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:30:37 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: Routable Protocol for Clustering ) Message-ID: <3FD290BE.D68AC02D@istop.com>    Paul Repacholi wrote: D > Get Keith Parish to send you the nasty details of how networks can > screw you over.   J If you do not have the in-house credibility/clout to convince your networkN folks, then getting Tom Paris's brother might in fact be a good idea. He wouldD have the clout and expertise to convince your organisation about theA importance of a "real" network for your mission critical cluster.   K It is always harder for in-house folks to convince their peers than if somevL outside "expert" is brought in. And Keith Paris is perhaps one of the better known experts in this field.  K I would sugggest you get in touch with Sue Skonetsky who is the "mother" ofSI the ambassadors and she might be able to arrange for a renowned expert toaK visit your organisation to not only preserve your systems, but perhaps even N convince your org to choose VMS for other applications because of its superior clustering and reliability.V  M Sending someone like Keith Paris to save an existing VMS customer and perhapsgJ even convince that customer to grow their VMS infrastructure would be good$ business decision for the VMS group.  N However, make 300% sure HP sends you a renowned expert. There is nothing worseI than you doing all the rgoundwork to prepare your in house folks to get a-G presentation from a Digital (HP) expert and it is just some local sales2P critter who shows up with a few slides that are totally unimpressive to techies.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:57:13 -0600 3 From: "misc@vectorgames.org" <misc@vectorgames.org>t1 Subject: VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMSk- Message-ID: <bqtqaj$39v@library1.airnews.net>   
 Hello all,      F I have a VAX 11/750 that wants to join the rest of it's brothers in a  VAXCluster.   H I was able to dig up a QBus RL02 controller, and using a VAX 4000 I was G able to install VMS 6.1 Standalone Backup to an RL02. The VAX 4000 was  F then able to successfully boot from this disk pack. I'm trying to use I the RL02 since it is the only drive that I currently have that I can use  & with my QBus VAXen *and* UNIBUS Vaxen.  F I have a UNIBUS RL02 controller in the '750, but for some reason when A attempting to boot the '750 from RL02 (b dla0) it gives an error:r   fc2c 06w  H Obviously the drive and disk pack is okay, since the 4000 seems to work F fine with it. I've tried using two different UNIBUS RL02 controllers, E one of them from a PDP-11/84 that loads RSX-11 from an RL02 - so the   controller is probably okay.  E I have a couple (out of a bunch) TU-58 tapes that can boot the '750, iG with one of them containing the "boot58" utility, however this is from i VMS 3.x-something.  I My VAXCluster (a couple of MicroVaxes and a 4000-500) is running VMS 6.1.m  I Does anyone have any clues to give on what I could possibly do to at get eI some form of VMS running on this machine? I realize that I can't run VMS  H 6.1 on the RL02, but I was hoping to at least use it to boot the 11/750 1 and enable it to join the cluster (via ethernet).r   Thanks for any assistance!       	- Matty   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:34:49 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMS ) Message-ID: <3FD275A3.984519BE@istop.com>c   "misc@vectorgames.org" wrote: G > I have a VAX 11/750 that wants to join the rest of it's brothers in au
 > VAXCluster.t  H > able to install VMS 6.1 Standalone Backup to an RL02. The VAX 4000 was5 > then able to successfully boot from this disk pack.   I I don't have the SPD handy for 6.1, but is it possible that the 750 isn't  supported anymore at 6.1 ?  I Would the 750 require special hardware-specific files that the standalones( backup done on a 4000 wouldn't provide ?  J Is the 750 capable of booting from ethernet ? It might be simpler to do itL this way (use [cluster_config on the 4000 to define the 750 as a satellite).N Then, once the 750 has booted as a satellite, you can use the 4000 to copy theN files over to the 750, or use VMSINATAL on the 750 to install in its own drive! from savesets stored on the 4000.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:24:45 -060073 From: "misc@vectorgames.org" <misc@vectorgames.org> 5 Subject: Re: VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMS - Message-ID: <bqu2v7$o2g@library1.airnews.net>n   JF Mezei wrote:i   > K > I don't have the SPD handy for 6.1, but is it possible that the 750 isn't  > supported anymore at 6.1 ? >e  D I'm pretty sure it is; I saw some documentation today regarding the F installation of OpenVMS 7.x on the 11/750, so I would assume that 6.1  would work as well.-  K > Would the 750 require special hardware-specific files that the standalone * > backup done on a 4000 wouldn't provide ? >   D That's possible - but the 750 isn't even attempting to perform much F activity with the RL02. It's displaying the error a couple of seconds  after issuing the command.  F The 750 is recognizing the controller - if I remove the card I get an H error consistent with the other two boot device selections that I don't $ have controllers for (Massbus, etc).  L > Is the 750 capable of booting from ethernet ? It might be simpler to do itN > this way (use [cluster_config on the 4000 to define the 750 as a satellite).P > Then, once the 750 has booted as a satellite, you can use the 4000 to copy theP > files over to the 750, or use VMSINATAL on the 750 to install in its own drive# > from savesets stored on the 4000.   F I wish it could, but the console "firmware" does not support Ethernet 4 controllers like the later VAXen (like the 4000) do.  G I did re-create the boot block on the disk pack - no success. The 4000  - is certainly happy with it, though....    ; )a       	- Mattt   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:57:17 GMTl" From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net>L Subject: VMS positions in cold but earthquake-free Edmonton, Alberta, Canada+ Message-ID: <NqyAb.30762$bC.16339@clgrps13>   F FYI, my employer Capital Health has the following full time positions 
 available:  <     Team leader of Infrastructure (VMS, Unix, NT, Novell...);     Two Systems Analyst I positions.  Programming in BASIC, *         but other qualifications required.  : The closing date is 08-Dec-2003.  Sorry to be rather late., I did not consider posting this until today.  J There are two project manager positions, but these are not related to VMS.  ' The link is http://www.capitalhealth.ca,G Go to "Careers", "Career Opportunities", then "Administrative/Clinical  * Management, IT and Finance Professionals".  k   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:55:08 -0500 (EST)+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> = Subject: Re: Will VMS have to pay royalties Microsoft ? (FAT) H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0312061752360.4915@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>  I not to mention filesystems in ITS and multics, both of the 60s, and unix,  in 70 (and certainly since 73)H but, of course, the micro world has always been blind to anything beyondB its own boundaries and totally ignorant, perhaps by choice, of anyG developments outside its own crappy reimplementations of other peoples'  ideas.F nevermind that gates and allen basically stole their BASIC from dec ;)   Isildure  ) On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Paul Repacholi wrote:>  < > "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> writes: >oD > > Microsoft got its start by writing BASIC for the M.I.T.S. AltairG > > personal computer.  Bill Gates and Paul Allen demo'd BASIC for thissF > > machine in early 1975.  The biggest impact of Altair-BASIC was theG > > file system, which used an allocation table to bring the concept ofrG > > scattered (cluster based) storage to the files.  This was the firstp? > > FAT file system and it was the first time .  Prior to this, H > > microcomputer (and many mini-computer) files were always stored as a > > single, contiguous, block. > J > Oh, and what of ODS-1? OR the Tops-10 level C file system? In 75, ODS-2,G > yes, *2* was speced though not in the public eye, so that claim is sof > much megashit, again...e >d >m > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.tB >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 22:26:56 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>= Subject: Re: Will VMS have to pay royalties Microsoft ? (FAT) 6 Message-ID: <1031206222156.29331A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  0 On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Robert A.M. van Lopik wrote:   > 9 > "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messagel, > news:3FD18443.5D621119@sture.homeip.net... > > w m r wrote: > > >1I > > > "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> wrote in message . > news:<q_0Ab.595$o_.17091@news.uswest.net>... > > >eH > > > > Microsoft got its start by writing BASIC for the M.I.T.S. Altair
 > personalM > > > > computer.  Bill Gates and Paul Allen demo'd BASIC for this machine inc > earlynL > > > > 1975.  The biggest impact of Altair-BASIC was the file system, which	 > used anfJ > > > > allocation table to bring the concept of scattered (cluster based)	 > storagevN > > > > to the files.  This was the first FAT file system and it was the first > timeK > > > > .  Prior to this, microcomputer (and many mini-computer) files weref > always. > > > > stored as a single, contiguous, block. > > >yI > > > What about good ol' DOS-11?  I don't remember it much (early 70's),tD > > > but I think you could have more than one file open for writingI > > > (contrast with RT-11).  Maybe DEC->Compaq->HP should be going afterv	 > > > M$.e > > >dL > > Eh? What contrast with RT-11? Definitely not restricted to only one file > > open...e > F > The point is, if I understand it correctly, whether files have to be: > contiguous. They did with RT-11 and they don't with FAT. >   A RT was the exception, not the rule.  In 1974, DOS-11, RSTS, Unix,o? and probably RSX (not sure of it's original release date) *all* @ supported discontiguous files on PDP-11's.  Not to mention other? minis and O/S's.  As far as micros go, did MS-DOS do *anything* & before CP/M did it earlier and better?   > rob van lopik    -- o John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:20:46 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>e= Subject: Re: X terminal MOP connected to a uVAX: replacement?g0 Message-ID: <paGdnZDUg6jC70-i4p2dnA@comcast.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0907030001040805010506009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   8 The LK250 and LK450 keyboards are a little hard to find!  B Were you using, say, an LK461 for this trick?  I've been a little C reluctant to experiment; a mistake could get pretty expensive!  PC  B keyboards are cheap and readily available.  The DEC keyboards are E expensive and generally not available at your nearest computer store.t     Dave Weatherall wrote:  7 >On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:12:29 UTC, "Richard B. Gilbert" p  ><rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote: >h >  k >yJ >>I would not try it on a PC with Reflection-X.  There doesn't seem to be H >>any way to map the PC keyboard to the DEC keyboard unless you want to J >>study X-windows keycodes, keysyms, etc.  It seems to me to be something I >>that should just work, right out of the box but it doesn't!  The VTxxx hC >>emulations do an excelent job of keyboard mapping; it's just the X# >>X-windows stuff that's a problem.u >>     >> >eF >What about a PC with a VT layout keyboard? I've just attached one to G >one of mine. It seems to work fine in normal PC mode but I haven't hado5 >a chance to try it using Reflection or similar yet.   >l >  l >   & --------------090703000104080501050600) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciie Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bith  ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">h <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">a   <title></title>d </head>c' <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">h< The LK250 and LK450 keyboards are a little hard to find!<br> <br>F Were you using, say, an LK461 for this trick?&nbsp; I've been a littleG reluctant to experiment; a mistake could get pretty expensive!&nbsp; PCeF keyboards are cheap and readily available.&nbsp; The DEC keyboards areI expensive and generally not available at your nearest computer store.<br>  <br> <br> Dave Weatherall wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite"m3  cite="midDTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-JrhnwtX3wQih@localhost">hE   <pre wrap="">On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:12:29 UTC, "Richard B. Gilbert" Ao <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rgilbert88@comcast.net">&lt;rgilbert88@comcast.net&gt;</a> wrote:o     </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">Y     <pre wrap="">I would not try it on a PC with Reflection-X.  There doesn't seem to be eF any way to map the PC keyboard to the DEC keyboard unless you want to H study X-windows keycodes, keysyms, etc.  It seems to me to be something G that should just work, right out of the box but it doesn't!  The VTxxx -A emulations do an excelent job of keyboard mapping; it's just the  ! X-windows stuff that's a problem.>
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