1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 12 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 687       Contents:' ANNOUNCE New PL/I kit for Alpha OpenVMS  Re: Another search enhancement Re: Another search enhancement Re: Another search enhancement Re: Another search enhancement Re: Another search enhancement Re: Another search enhancement Re: Another search enhancement RE: Another search enhancement1 Re: Another search enhancement -- already in FIND 1 Re: Another search enhancement -- already in FIND ' Re: Back to the OpenVMS GUI discussion.  BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3  Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3  Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3+ Re: Can I do X-windows on my PC via DECnet? P Can not prevent LPD from printing a VMS flag page without getting the job put ba+ Code for translating wildcard logical names / Re: Code for translating wildcard logical names  destroying data  Re: destroying data # Re: Disks for a MicroVAX II system. # Re: Disks for a MicroVAX II system.  Full or Partial file spec ?  Re: Full or Partial file spec ?  Re: Full or Partial file spec ?  Re: Full or Partial file spec ?  Re: Full or Partial file spec ?  Re: Full or Partial file spec ? P How do I get the equivalent status code when an exception has been raised in Ada: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUs: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUs: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUs: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUs: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUs: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUs: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUs: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUs: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUs Re: Ignorance is BLISS... 8 Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid!8 RE: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid!= Make $$ now quick. THIS WORKS I SWEAR TO IT!! paid my tuition & Memo:  Re:  Another search enhancement* Re: Memo:  Re:  Another search enhancement: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashing Re: OpenVMS org  Re: OpenVMS org  Re: OpenVMS org  Re: Ping: VAXman Re: Ping: VAXman Re: Ping: VAXman Re: Ping: VAXman Re: Ping: VAXman6 Re: Rookie with VMS . DCL etc... need your help please2 Rookie with VMS . DCL etc... need your help please6 Re: Rookie with VMS . DCL etc... need your help please Re: Scott McNealy;s Dilemma $ Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( RE: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday  Time for a community project?  Tracking down a MAC address  Re: Tracking down a MAC address  Re: Tracking down a MAC address  re: Tracking down a MAC address  Re: Tracking down a MAC address  Re: Turbochannel SCSI ) X Windows debugger and kde/cygwin/xfree86   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:42:30 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 0 Subject: ANNOUNCE New PL/I kit for Alpha OpenVMS9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEHCIKAA.tom@kednos.com>   G A new kit is now available which may be downloaded from www.kednos.com.   J Also NEW is the documentation in BookReader, Postscript, Acrobat and HTML.  ? For more info, see the release notes avaialble on the web site.    Tom  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:22:32 +0200 * From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>' Subject: Re: Another search enhancement 9 Message-ID: <brbqbu$1jqrq$1@ID-103225.news.uni-berlin.de>    Graham Burley wrote: > Peter Weaver wrote:  > ? >>But having a utility built into VMS would be great for people > >>who find themselves temporarily on machines they do not own.> >>Freeware and 3rd party utilities are great for machines that@ >>you live on 365 days a year, but when you are just in to fix a: >>problem you need the utilities to be part of VMS itself. >> >  > F > I agree entirely, I'd much rather see the native utilities enhanced./ > Just couldn't resist some shameless plugging.  >  >  > ? >>So my vote is "Great, keep going Guy! And please make note of : >>Tom's request for regular expressions and a STR$ RTL for) >>regular expressions would be great too.  >> >  > D > STR$MATCH_REGEX would be neat along with SEARCH/REGEX. If not fullD > support for regular expressions then I'd suggest SEARCH/WORD wouldC > be useful, e.g. SEARCH A.TXT GREAT/WORD would match GREAT but not  > GREATNESS. >  Perhaps 3 $ SEAR file.ext "GREAT ","GREAT,","GREAT." ... etc. J basic problem - define word delimiters. Would you want "GREAT99" included?   Mike >    > = >>Just reviewing what I wrote, do you think I could have used $ >>the word "Great" one more time? :) >> >  >  > Probably ;-) >  >  > Graham >      --  J New to Usenet? read http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htmE --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. D Mike Rechtman                                 *rechtman@tzora.co.il*C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%" E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:56:46 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Another search enhancement ) Message-ID: <3FD97495.302AFEEC@istop.com>    Guy Peleg wrote:N > The past few days I have received several requests for implementing wildcard > searching.  N Mr Peleg, you deserve a very big thank you.  The enhancements to DCL that haveJ have come since 7.1 have been very welcomed. Now, are you gong to backport/ this all the way back to Microvms 4.7 ? :-) :-)    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:09:48 +0000 (UTC) ? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> ' Subject: Re: Another search enhancement 8 Message-ID: <3FD9AEC3.2AF84D4@encompasserve-or-this.org>   Mike Rechtman wrote: >  > Graham Burley wrote:   > > F > > STR$MATCH_REGEX would be neat along with SEARCH/REGEX. If not fullF > > support for regular expressions then I'd suggest SEARCH/WORD wouldE > > be useful, e.g. SEARCH A.TXT GREAT/WORD would match GREAT but not  > > GREATNESS. > > 	 > Perhaps 5 > $ SEAR file.ext "GREAT ","GREAT,","GREAT." ... etc.   . Which doesn't find GREAT at the end of a line.    L > basic problem - define word delimiters. Would you want "GREAT99" included?  E I'd say word delimeters is anything other than A-Z and 0-9, including E implied delimters at start and end of line. So no, I wouldn't want it 	 included.      Graham   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:22:44 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>' Subject: Re: Another search enhancement 1 Message-ID: <oqiCb.10595$KJ.910@news.cpqcorp.net>   C This will not appear in a patch kit as we try to avoid shipping new 0 functionality with kits. In the past this caused= a lot of trouble (more problems when CLD files are included).   J I'm willing to provide you with a side image for V7.3. Send me mail if you are interested.    Guy 8 "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message, news:11DEC03.19383185@feda01.fed.ornl.gov...= > In a previous article, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  > >  > >  > > >-----Original Message----- G > > >From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org] / > > >Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:11 AM  > > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, > > >Subject: RE: Another search enhancement > > >  > > > C > > >In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEEMIKAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom % > > >Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: K > > >> The search string is an expression.  If you are going to permit such E > > >> forms, my view is that the correct way is to implement regular  > > >expressionsF > > >> in a consistent, extensivlw manner.  After all, you will likely > > >need such aE > > >> parser anyway, (You must already have one?)  Someone suggested  > > >using egrep, I > > >> I suppose that is OK, but if so, why extend SEARCH?  I suppose you  could  > > >> just  > > >> alias1 > > >> sear/regex file expr  to   egrep expr file  > > >>* > > >> and fix up the output and whatever. > > > I > > >   Guy's wildcards are consistent with DCL.  Regular expressions are J > > >   not.  If you want re, use grep (get it from gnu).  As a native VMSC > > >   DCL command SEARCH should be consistent with DCL, not UNIX.  > > K > > I didn't say they weren't, what I said was that if you are going to use J > > expressions in the search string then do it completely, not ad hoc and
 > > piecemeal  > I > While I'll certainly find use for Guy's current wildcard enhancement to K > SEARCH, I really agree with Tom here.  Regular expressions are one of the H > reasons I find myself using PERL more often instead of DCL (another isJ > speed of execution).  Just because VMS hasn't had regular expressions inI > the past doesn't mean that having them in the future isn't a good idea.  > I > Guy - Any chance of backporting the change to 7.2 and/or 7.3 in a patch  > kit? >  > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV J > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:23:18 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>' Subject: Re: Another search enhancement 2 Message-ID: <WqiCb.10596$FP.1446@news.cpqcorp.net>  $ Well, I'm not sure about V4.7....;-)  3 but I'm working on getting an approval for VAX V8.2    Guy 7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3FD97495.302AFEEC@istop.com...  > Guy Peleg wrote:G > > The past few days I have received several requests for implementing  wildcard > > searching. > K > Mr Peleg, you deserve a very big thank you.  The enhancements to DCL that  haveL > have come since 7.1 have been very welcomed. Now, are you gong to backport1 > this all the way back to Microvms 4.7 ? :-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:12:40 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>' Subject: Re: Another search enhancement 9 Message-ID: <brcsua$1th1q$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    Graham Burley wrote: > ... 0 > Which doesn't find GREAT at the end of a line. > ...   > Which raises another enhancement for Guy to work on (if he (or; I should say, his managers) decide that regular expressions = are not needed or are too complicated), there are times where > you want to search for "GREAT" at the start of the line, or at8 the end and really do not care if "GREAT" appears in the middle of the line.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:28:15 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>' Subject: Re: Another search enhancement 9 Message-ID: <brctrg$22hn8$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    Guy Peleg wrote:& > Well, I'm not sure about V4.7....;-) > 5 > but I'm working on getting an approval for VAX V8.2  >...  : Rats, we still have two MVII running V4.7. CHARON-VAX runs7 circles around the MVII but to upgrade VMS to a version > CHARON-VAX supports the customer needs to buy new licenses. :(   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:18:40 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: RE: Another search enhancement 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEGOIKAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- B >From: Peter Weaver [mailto:WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca]( >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:28 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: Re: Another search enhancement >  >  >Guy Peleg wrote: ' >> Well, I'm not sure about V4.7....;-)  >>6 >> but I'm working on getting an approval for VAX V8.2 >>...  > ; >Rats, we still have two MVII running V4.7. CHARON-VAX runs 8 >circles around the MVII but to upgrade VMS to a version? >CHARON-VAX supports the customer needs to buy new licenses. :(   . An illustration of, "You get what you pay for"   BTW, how much are new licenses?  >  >-- 
 >Peter Weaver   >Weaver Consulting Services Inc. >Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX >www.weaverconsulting.ca >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:32:29 GMT $ From: "Slo" <setverify@loginout.com>: Subject: Re: Another search enhancement -- already in FIND2 Message-ID: <NrjCb.10598$YQ.2205@news.cpqcorp.net>  G I've been very happy with this great FIND/REPLACE freeware for OpenVMS:   6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/find015/  C The sources are there, it has a REPLACE function and the help shows @ excellent expression capabilities. I've been using a DCL command3 procedure that uses it for many years. For example:   . $ REPLACE *.COM "DKA300:" "dnfs5003:" /CONFIRM6 $ REPLACE *.C "set_screen_reverse" "InvertScreen" /LOG   $ HELP FIND  FIND  5    The FIND commands perform the following functions: H     o  Search one or more files for a specified expression and list  allF        the lines containing occurrences of the expression (see /FIND).H     o  Search  one  or  more  files  for  a  specified  expression   andH        substitute the occurrences of the expression with  a  replacement        string (see /REPLACE).   #   Additional information available:   G   REGULAR_EXPRESSIONS   /FIND (default)       /REPLACE   Error_Messages    Manual      Release_Notes      FIND   REGULAR_EXPRESSIONS      VMS pattern style $         Patterns recognized by FIND:         Pattern    Matches... >         '*'        An arbitrary amount of text (within a line))         '%'        An arbitrary character $         '\<'       Beginning of line         '\>'       End of line$         '\'       Beginning of word         '\'       End of wordF         '\@'       Match a specific column.  The syntax is as follows:                           \@x                          \@(x)                          \@rx                         \@r(x)  )                    x is the column number L                    r is a relational operator indicating whether the patternL                      should match the specified column, any column less thanL                      the specified column or any  column  greater  than  the8                      specified column. Values for r are:  K                         < = match any column less than the specified column 6                         = = match the specified columnG                         > = match any column greater than the specified "                             column  <                    if no value is given for r, = is assumed.*         '\[abc]'   Anything in the set abc0         '\[1-9]'   Anything in the set 1234567894         '\[~1-9]'  Anything not in the set 123456789C         '\,'       Repeat previous pattern (zero or once, including 	 original) C         '\.'       Repeat previous pattern (zero or more, including 	 original) D         '\:'       Repeat previous pattern (at least once, including	 original) 6         '\'        May be used to quote any of '\*%]~'4         '\w'       An arbitrary amount of whitespace"         '\d'       A decimal digit!         '\o'       An octal digit &         '\x'       A hexadecimal digitC         '\a'       An alphabetic character (including supplemental) F         '\n'       An alphanumeric character (letter or decimal digit)@         '\s'       A symbol constituent (alphanumeric + $ and _)%         '\l'       A lowercase letter &         '\u'       An uppercase letter(         '\p'       Punctuation character'         '\f'       Formatting character $         '\^'       Control character/         '\+'       Any character with bit 7 set ,         '\digit'   See below for explanationL         '\C'       This pattern can be used to  specify  a  character  whichL                    cannot be entered from the keyboard.  The  syntax  is  as                    follows:                            \Cx                          \C%bx                          \C(x)                          \C(%bx)   @                    x is a number representing an ASCII character>                    b represents the base of the number. Values                      for b are:   #                         D = decimal !                         O = octal '                         X = hexadecimal   :         The following pattern also have a special meaning:9         '\|'       Match previous pattern or next pattern 0         '\('       Open parenthesis for grouping1         '\)'       Close parenthesis for grouping   G         Groups, i.e. parts of an expression which are grouped  together  withH         \( and \) are numbered from left to  right  one  to  nine,  i.e. the D         leftmost opening parenthesis is number one and the rightmost opening #         parenthesis is number nine.   C         Empty parentheses, i.e. \(\), are ignored and therefore not  counted.E         If the expression STR$\(\s\:\)\w(\(\)\w\(\s\:\)  matches  the  stringE         STR$MATCH_WILD (desc, the first group is MATCH_WILD, and  the  second         group is desc.  D         Within an expression, it is possible to refer to an  already matched G         group.  This is done by entering \ and a digit 1...9, where the  digit H         is the number of the group.  So, \1...\9  denote  that  part  of the H         target, which has been matched by  the  first...ninth  group  of the G         expression (or the empty string, if  there  is  no  group  with  that         number).  C         For example, the expression \(%%%%\)\1 matches every string 
 consistingG         of four arbitrary characters which is followed by a copy of  it  self,          e.g. beriberi.   FIND   REGULAR_EXPRESSIONS      POSIX pattern style $         Patterns recognized by FIND:         Pattern    Matches...   )         '.'        An arbitrary character G         '^'        Beginning of line if at the start of the expression, .                    otherwise the character '^'E         '$'        Beginning of line if at the end of the expression, .                    otherwise the character '$'*         '[abc]'    Anything in the set abc0         '[1-9]'    Anything in the set 1234567894         '[^1-9]'   Anything not in the set 1234567894         '[!1-9]'   Anything not in the set 123456789C         '?'        Repeat previous pattern (zero or once, including 	 original) C         '*'        Repeat previous pattern (zero or more, including 	 original) D         '+'        Repeat previous pattern (at least once, including	 original) G         '\'        May be used to quote any character, i.e. prevent the ?                    character from being interpreted as wildcard   :         The following pattern also have a special meaning:9         '|'        Match previous pattern or next pattern 0         '('        Open parenthesis for grouping1         ')'        Close parenthesis for grouping   G         Groups, i.e. parts of an expression which are grouped  together  withH         ( and ) are numbered from  left  to  right  one  to  nine,  i.e. the D         leftmost opening parenthesis is number one and the rightmost opening #         parenthesis is number nine.   C         Empty parentheses, i.e. (), are ignored and  therefore  not  counted.D         If the  expression  STR$([a-z_]+)[ TAB]*\(()[ TAB]*([a-z_]+) matches H         the string STR$MATCH_WILD (desc, the first group is  MATCH_WILD, and !         the second group is desc.   H         This numbering is useful for FIND/REPLACE, where the replacement may F         contain wildcards which refer to groups within the expression. ThisH         is done by entering \ and a digit 1 ... 9,  where the  digit  is the D         number of the group.  So, \1 ... \9 denote that part of  the target, A         which has been matched by the first...ninth group of  the 
 expressionE         (or the empty string, if there is no group with that number).    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:39:22 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> : Subject: Re: Another search enhancement -- already in FIND/ Message-ID: <3FD9DFD5.5BFA6671@eps.zko.dec.com>   
 Slo wrote:  I > I've been very happy with this great FIND/REPLACE freeware for OpenVMS:  > 8 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/find015/  , Thanks for reminding me. That's a good tool.   Hein.   L [btw... it is build for VMS 7.3, an I needed it on 7.1 which gives a version mismatch on UTIL$SHARE, L under the assumption that it would not need anything new, I just patched the$ find header to get me going quickly.G Using my zap tool (freeware[rms_tools], block 2, offset x103, old value  x01000003 new 01000001 zap  sys$system:find.exe  2  D  exa @r2+10c  dep .=01000001 go W  E  ^z   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 07:31:55 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)0 Subject: Re: Back to the OpenVMS GUI discussion.= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0312120731.747c8f40@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<vvgkg9OHUOlZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>...o > In article <f30679fb.0312101027.803eb62@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:  > > So,  > > B > > After all these Itanium migration efforts, nobody had the idea@ > > to improve the Graphics of OpenVMS ? New Graphical Terminal  > > technoloy - mouse  based ?   >  >    You haven't used a VT510?     VT510 ? Never !!!   ? May be we should ask people of Lindows to make an VMSwindows !     REgards    FC   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:44:50 +0000 (UTC) $ From: helbig@astro.multiNOSPAMvax.de% Subject: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 / Message-ID: <brc672$2nap$1@news.xenopsyche.net>   B Please reply to the group AND to me via email (for the reason, see below).   B I'm a bit confused about BOOT, HALT and RESTART (or the equivalentC numbers 1, 2 and 3---somewhere I have a note of what corresponds to D what, but if anyone has the information handy, please post it in theH reply).  HALT is clear: whenever the machine gets to the console prompt,C it stays there until one tells it to boot.  BOOT, in my experience, 2 causes it to boot after the power is switched on.    What does RESTART do?   I I seem to recall three, quite distinct, explanations.  Which is correct?  B Is more than one correct?  Does this depend on the hardware model?  E 1: RESTART means that, instead of rebooting after a power cycle, the  F machine "picks up where it left off", the contents of RAM having been H preserved by power supplied by batteries (I think some old VAX machines E had this option---if so, then RESTART doesn't apply to all machines).   E 2: RESTART means that the machine will reboot not only after a power   cycle but after a crash.  H 3: RESTART means that the machine will reboot (only after a power cycle I or also after a crash I'm not sure) from the default boot device and, if  & this doesn't work, try a network boot.  ? If the behaviour depends on the hardware model, I'm especially   interested in the following:      VAXstation 4000 60       VAXstation 4000 90       VAXstation 3100 38       VAXstation 3100 30       VAX 4000 100A      ALPHAstation 255/233       DEC 3000 600       DEC 300 300LX      ALPHAserver 2000       ALPHAserver 2100   F I started out with a (new!) ALPHAstation 255/233 with 2 internal disksG (RZ 26 and RZ 28) and have gradually been building up a robust cluster. D I now have 3 nodes, each with its own (shadowed) system disk and allD important disks shadowed with members on two different nodes (one ofH which contains SYSUAF.DAT etc with the corresponding logicals defined onF each node).  A DSL "router" essentially directs all connections to the TCPIP cluster alias.     This works fine.  F The cluster at the moment contains the ALPHAstation, a VAXstation 4000F 60 and a VAX 4000 100A, is 500 km away at the moment and I'm logged inG from the 3000 600 (using a nice 21" |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| colour monitor with I knobs on the front instead of an on-screen menu).  The hardware setup on  F the cluster is fine.  I have now upgraded the VAX machines to 7.3 and F the ALPHA to 7.3-1, TCPIP 5.3 on all nodes, all patches current as of  last Sunday.    G About 30 hours ago, the ALPHA crashed.  AUTO_ACTION is BOOT.  Hence my  F questions above: would it have tried to boot again after the crash if ( AUTO_ACTION was RESTART instead of BOOT?  G Next on my list of things to do is to get software running on VAX which H now runs only on ALPHA, for example NEWSRDR (thus I don't have my normalF news access at the moment, hence the desire to receive copies of postsG via email) and LYNX (which I use in batch to update the DNS information F for the dynamic IP address).  Thus I'll have to update the DNS by hand? for a while and monitor the IP address externally (possible by  E periodically automatically opening a TCPIP connection to the outside   world).   F I think I've only had one real machine crash before.  (The machine ranC 7.1 for a couple of years then 7.2-1 for four years.)  My batch job G which updates the DNS information via LYNX used to crash once every day G or to with a "BUGCHECK,  internal consistency failure" message (without H crashing the machine).  Since upgrading to VMS 7.3-1 last weekend, I wasG happy to see this go away, and everything else looked fine.  I am a bit C concerned, though, of course, that a machine crash happened so soon G after upgrading to 7.3-1.  (I have had no problems with 7.3 on the VAX  
 machines.)  G Again, after the upgrade I applied all patches which were current last  I Sunday except ACRTL.  (I now know the reason the installation failed and  H will increase the size of the page file---the machine only has 64 MB of F memory, though I hope to upgrade it to maybe 1GB in January---and try H again.)  Could the crash have been the result of the upgrade?  Is there I anything I could have forgotten?  Perhaps some system parameter which is  F not set correctly?  (7.3 used to have problems with XFC, but I assume  these are long solved.)   F As the result of a programming error, a few hours before the crash, an? application was started which, after an unknown time, filled up H DISK$SCRATCH (a physical disk; each user has DISK$SCRATCH:[username] andH the SYS$SCRATCH logical points to this directory).  The disk (an RZ 23L)G now has about 100 of the 123 MB free and the programming error has been B corrected (or, rather, the application temporarily disabled).  In H particular, the last DNS update occurred these several hours after this H application was started (I don't know when the disk actually filled up) . so things must have been more or less OK then.  F I can understand that a full SYS$SCRATCH will do nasty things to some 1 applications, but could it cause a machine crash?   F When the machine is back up, I'll have a look at the dump, if there isC one.  The only thing I can see from the other nodes now is an error H count of 1 on the system disk and of course the system disk of the ALPHA6 is in the state "MntVerifyTimeout" and the members areI "HostUnavailable".  (Normally, all system disk (shadow sets) are mounted  ' on all nodes, as indeed are all disks.)   E I have been noticing a few errors on PEA0: recently.  This appears to D happen during shadow copies.  Perhaps I should set things up so thatE only one happens at a time; ALL traffic (LAT, TCPIP (no DECnet at the 8 moment), MSCP, SCS etc) is going over a 10 Mb/s UTP LAN.   Thanks in advance for any help!   I This is the first "real-world" test of the robustness of my cluster.  It  F is great to have hardware which is almost 15 years old in some cases, H running the latest version of VMS and doing fancy stuff like shadowing, G and survive a node crash so gracefully.  (The fact that it wasn't even  D more graceful is due to the fact that I don't yet have all software H running on VAX.)  As long as the ALPHA has no hardware error, and 7.3-1 G isn't too crash-prone, I'll be happy again after I find out the reason   for the crash.   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 03 05:58:19 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com ) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 ( Message-ID: <yv$Xr7TZjv+t@cpva.saic.com>  / In article <brc672$2nap$1@news.xenopsyche.net>, '  helbig@astro.multiNOSPAMvax.de writes: D > Please reply to the group AND to me via email (for the reason, see
 > below).  > D > I'm a bit confused about BOOT, HALT and RESTART (or the equivalentE > numbers 1, 2 and 3---somewhere I have a note of what corresponds to F > what, but if anyone has the information handy, please post it in theJ > reply).  HALT is clear: whenever the machine gets to the console prompt,E > it stays there until one tells it to boot.  BOOT, in my experience, 4 > causes it to boot after the power is switched on.  >  > What does RESTART do?  > K > I seem to recall three, quite distinct, explanations.  Which is correct?  D > Is more than one correct?  Does this depend on the hardware model? > G > 1: RESTART means that, instead of rebooting after a power cycle, the  H > machine "picks up where it left off", the contents of RAM having been J > preserved by power supplied by batteries (I think some old VAX machines G > had this option---if so, then RESTART doesn't apply to all machines).    No.    > G > 2: RESTART means that the machine will reboot not only after a power   > cycle but after a crash. > J > 3: RESTART means that the machine will reboot (only after a power cycle K > or also after a crash I'm not sure) from the default boot device and, if  ( > this doesn't work, try a network boot. > A > If the behaviour depends on the hardware model, I'm especially   > interested in the following: >  >    VAXstation 4000 60  >  >    VAXstation 4000 90  >  >    VAXstation 3100 38  >  >    VAXstation 3100 30  >  >    VAX 4000 100A >  >    ALPHAstation 255/233  >  >    DEC 3000 600  >  >    DEC 300 300LX >  >    ALPHAserver 2000  >  >    ALPHAserver 2100  > H > I started out with a (new!) ALPHAstation 255/233 with 2 internal disksI > (RZ 26 and RZ 28) and have gradually been building up a robust cluster. F > I now have 3 nodes, each with its own (shadowed) system disk and allF > important disks shadowed with members on two different nodes (one ofJ > which contains SYSUAF.DAT etc with the corresponding logicals defined onH > each node).  A DSL "router" essentially directs all connections to the > TCPIP cluster alias.   >  > This works fine. > H > The cluster at the moment contains the ALPHAstation, a VAXstation 4000H > 60 and a VAX 4000 100A, is 500 km away at the moment and I'm logged inI > from the 3000 600 (using a nice 21" |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| colour monitor with K > knobs on the front instead of an on-screen menu).  The hardware setup on  H > the cluster is fine.  I have now upgraded the VAX machines to 7.3 and H > the ALPHA to 7.3-1, TCPIP 5.3 on all nodes, all patches current as of  > last Sunday.   > I > About 30 hours ago, the ALPHA crashed.  AUTO_ACTION is BOOT.  Hence my  H > questions above: would it have tried to boot again after the crash if * > AUTO_ACTION was RESTART instead of BOOT? >    Yes;  0   AUTO_ACTION = HALT => never boot automatically(               = BOOT => boot on power-on7               = RESTART => boot after power-on or crash   I If you want a crash dump written on your Alphas after a bug-machinecheck,  then SET AUTO_ACTION RESTART .    F For the VAXes, are you referring to the value of SET HALT? or hardware	 switches?   I > Next on my list of things to do is to get software running on VAX which J > now runs only on ALPHA, for example NEWSRDR (thus I don't have my normalH > news access at the moment, hence the desire to receive copies of postsI > via email) and LYNX (which I use in batch to update the DNS informationtH > for the dynamic IP address).  Thus I'll have to update the DNS by handA > for a while and monitor the IP address externally (possible by eG > periodically automatically opening a TCPIP connection to the outside  	 > world).i > H > I think I've only had one real machine crash before.  (The machine ranE > 7.1 for a couple of years then 7.2-1 for four years.)  My batch job I > which updates the DNS information via LYNX used to crash once every dayuI > or to with a "BUGCHECK,  internal consistency failure" message (withoutgJ > crashing the machine).  Since upgrading to VMS 7.3-1 last weekend, I wasI > happy to see this go away, and everything else looked fine.  I am a bitaE > concerned, though, of course, that a machine crash happened so soonaI > after upgrading to 7.3-1.  (I have had no problems with 7.3 on the VAX s > machines.) > I > Again, after the upgrade I applied all patches which were current last eK > Sunday except ACRTL.  (I now know the reason the installation failed and aJ > will increase the size of the page file---the machine only has 64 MB of H > memory, though I hope to upgrade it to maybe 1GB in January---and try J > again.)  Could the crash have been the result of the upgrade?  Is there K > anything I could have forgotten?  Perhaps some system parameter which is mH > not set correctly?  (7.3 used to have problems with XFC, but I assume  > these are long solved.)e > H > As the result of a programming error, a few hours before the crash, anA > application was started which, after an unknown time, filled up.J > DISK$SCRATCH (a physical disk; each user has DISK$SCRATCH:[username] andJ > the SYS$SCRATCH logical points to this directory).  The disk (an RZ 23L)I > now has about 100 of the 123 MB free and the programming error has beeneD > corrected (or, rather, the application temporarily disabled).  In J > particular, the last DNS update occurred these several hours after this J > application was started (I don't know when the disk actually filled up) 0 > so things must have been more or less OK then. > H > I can understand that a full SYS$SCRATCH will do nasty things to some 3 > applications, but could it cause a machine crash?t > H > When the machine is back up, I'll have a look at the dump, if there isE > one.  The only thing I can see from the other nodes now is an errorrJ > count of 1 on the system disk and of course the system disk of the ALPHA8 > is in the state "MntVerifyTimeout" and the members areK > "HostUnavailable".  (Normally, all system disk (shadow sets) are mounted i) > on all nodes, as indeed are all disks.)  > G > I have been noticing a few errors on PEA0: recently.  This appears tosF > happen during shadow copies.  Perhaps I should set things up so thatG > only one happens at a time; ALL traffic (LAT, TCPIP (no DECnet at the-: > moment), MSCP, SCS etc) is going over a 10 Mb/s UTP LAN. > ! > Thanks in advance for any help!@ > K > This is the first "real-world" test of the robustness of my cluster.  It LH > is great to have hardware which is almost 15 years old in some cases, J > running the latest version of VMS and doing fancy stuff like shadowing, I > and survive a node crash so gracefully.  (The fact that it wasn't even aF > more graceful is due to the fact that I don't yet have all software J > running on VAX.)  As long as the ALPHA has no hardware error, and 7.3-1 I > isn't too crash-prone, I'll be happy again after I find out the reason - > for the crash. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:56:43 -0800a, From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 31+ Message-ID: <brcvgr$1ph$1@news01.intel.com>r   mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote:1 > In article <brc672$2nap$1@news.xenopsyche.net>,t) >  helbig@astro.multiNOSPAMvax.de writes:r > D >>Please reply to the group AND to me via email (for the reason, see
 >>below).  >>D >>I'm a bit confused about BOOT, HALT and RESTART (or the equivalentE >>numbers 1, 2 and 3---somewhere I have a note of what corresponds to F >>what, but if anyone has the information handy, please post it in theJ >>reply).  HALT is clear: whenever the machine gets to the console prompt,E >>it stays there until one tells it to boot.  BOOT, in my experience, 4 >>causes it to boot after the power is switched on.  >> >>What does RESTART do?o  
 <big snip>  2 >   AUTO_ACTION = HALT => never boot automatically* >               = BOOT => boot on power-on9 >               = RESTART => boot after power-on or crashg > K > If you want a crash dump written on your Alphas after a bug-machinecheck, ! > then SET AUTO_ACTION RESTART . G  C Gee, and I always thought the dump was written on the way down! :-)t  @ Perhaps you're thinking of the case where BUGCHECKFATAL has been@ set to 1 in order to force a crash, and presumably write a dump,> on an otherwise non-fatal bugcheck?  A machinecheck is usually> indicative of a hardware problem.  In either case, the dump is= written before ever reaching the console prompt (so to speak)-1 and is independent of the setting of AUTO_ACTION.o  = FWIW, when I was at SLAC, we set all the machines to RESTART, ? but there may be cases where HALT is more appropriate.  I don'tt@ particularly like BOOT since it frustrates me to see the machineA booting on power-on when I'd really like to mess with the console- first.  :-}-   -- -6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldo! D1C Automation VMS System Supports" who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 00:30:37 -0800% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)e4 Subject: Re: Can I do X-windows on my PC via DECnet?= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0312120030.2fc2d15c@posting.google.com>b  @ I believe that Patworks 32 V7.2A and later has DECnet working on Windows2000.D I am using V7.3 on my Windows2000 laptop without problems. LAT worksE too. It could be that not all network adapters are supported, though.m  	 Bart Zornh  i "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote in message news:<bragmd$199o3$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>... 3 > "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> schreef in bericht 0 > news:3fd706ee$0$29068$636a55ce@news.free.fr...& > > Given the following configuration: > >e	 > > a VAXs > > a PC/XPdD > > DECnet and MOTIF on the VAX and Pathworks + a X Client on the PC > > a piece of Etherneto
 > > no TCP/IPS > > & > > Can I do X-Windows on my PC with a/ > > $ set displ/create/transp=DECnet/node=my_PCi > >E! > > Did someone experienced this?i > >b > > Thanks,w > >e > > D. > >l >  > Didier > K > Pathworks for Windows includes DECnet and LAT for the PC. As I understandnG > it, DECnet wil no longer install on W2000 and later versions. It doesa7 > install on W95/W98/WME and WindowsNT 4 (all flavors).-K > The ReflectionX suite supports DECnet (if installed before). Just run thehJ > ReflectionX client manager on the PC and you can create a DECterm from aJ > VAX/VMS or AXP/VMS host with the $ set display/create command and then $F > create/terminal or run the window manager to get a logon screen from
 > DECwindows.o >  > Hans   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 05:30:28 -0800 From: sdavidson@uss.comfY Subject: Can not prevent LPD from printing a VMS flag page without getting the job put bag< Message-ID: <caf27c79.0312120530.d994a99@posting.google.com>  E We are trying to print to DEC LA75s and a Genicom printers, connected D to a DEC 90m Terminal Server, without getting the VMS flag page when4 using LPD on a Digital Alpha running OpenVMS V7.2-1.  C We are using a VMS queue to spool off to a LPD queue and if we do amC "/SEPARA=(FLAG)" the printers works fine but if we try to eliminateI@ flag page by using "/SEPARA=(NOFLAG)" or leave the "/SEPARA" out, entirely we get the following error message:  3 %TCPIP-E-LPD_NORESP, no response from remote server   E The print job will actually print but it also goes back in the queue.n   Show queue/all ETSCSB_P2? Server queue ETSCSB_P2, idle, on E2ADSE::, mounted form DEFAULT !   <ETSCSB_P2 RELAY QUEUE\LPD-90M>r  4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         ---------    ------  ------B    1584  ONE_LINE      System         1  Holding until 12-DEC-2003 08:06:27  * Does anyone have solution to this problem?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:21:14 +0000 , From: Adrian Birkett <aaa@notreallyhere.com>4 Subject: Code for translating wildcard logical names1 Message-ID: <3FD9969A.41B27F80@notreallyhere.com>    Hi,   H Does anybody have some code for doing this? We have an application whichC would benefit from this but I can't figure out how to do it without = temporary files. Can someone put me out of my misery, please?h  = The app is in C but I have access to other languages if it isu quicker/easier that way.   Thanks,    AdeH   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:51:10 +0100s- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> 8 Subject: Re: Code for translating wildcard logical names8 Message-ID: <brc6j4$1o8u1$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>   Adrian Birkett wrote:hD > Does anybody have some code for doing this? We have an applicationC > which would benefit from this but I can't figure out how to do it-G > without temporary files. Can someone put me out of my misery, please?a > ? > The app is in C but I have access to other languages if it isf > quicker/easier that way.  E LNMLOOKUP (ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/lnmlookup.zip)l is what you're looking for.c   cu,A   Martin -- nF   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.degF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:24:49 GMTe# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>  Subject: destroying data; Message-ID: <55lCb.66405$%h4.15021@twister.tampabay.rr.com>L  L On an old old HSZ controller, we need to destroy all data before surplussing the disks (mostly RZ29s)& Will the FORMAT option do this for us?  L That is what we just started.  It will only allow us to format 7 drives at aG time and it says each drive should take about 65 minutes each.  We havehL about 30 drives.  I suppose 7 drives will take up to 7 times 65 minutes, butD hopefully less.  At 7 drives each pass, we will require 5 passes, soK theoretically, this could take ((5 passes) times (65 mins)  times (7 drivesoK /pass))   which would come to over 37 hours total, if we have someone therer& to initiate the next step immediately.   Are we doing this right?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:18:25 GMTl3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)h Subject: Re: destroying data4 Message-ID: <RDnCb.10619$J91.10199@news.cpqcorp.net>  < In article <55lCb.66405$%h4.15021@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, % "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:1  M >On an old old HSZ controller, we need to destroy all data before surplussingR >the disks (mostly RZ29s)n' >Will the FORMAT option do this for us?.  E This has been discused recently.  For some, possibly many commercial .7 systems, FORMAT or even INITIALIZE/ERASE swill suffice.V  I However, it is possible to read data from disks that have been reFORMATED G and/or reINITIALIZED.  It is expensive, possibly very expensive, but ito+ is commerically available.  (So I am told.)(  L To avoid this, you need to physically destroy -- read "break up"--  the diskH platters.  Even then it is thoretically possible to read "bits of data" D from the broken pieces of the disk platters.  This can be avoided by. melting the disk platters at high temperature.  6 So, how valuable/sensitive is the data on these disks?  I If it is on the national security level, you will want to melt the disks.e  F If it is very sensitive corporate data or patient medical data, it may' be adequate to just break up the disks.e  G You may decide that FORMAT or INITIALIZE is adequate protection for you4 data -- or you may not.  w  K Cosider the COST if this data is compromised vs. the value you will recieveoG for selling rather than destroying the disks.  You may also want to getr@ leagal advise on regarding your obligations to protect the data.     -- cJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:49:59 +0000s* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>, Subject: Re: Disks for a MicroVAX II system.' Message-ID: <brbvf2$l6q$1@lore.csc.com>i   Dave Pitts wrote:c  I > I've got a couple of MicroVAX II systems with questionable disk drives,rD > RD54s I think. Are there any disks on the market today that can be% > substituted for these older drives?2  D I'd disagree with Chris's comment about the RD54 being reliable. TheH RD51 and RD53 were easily more reliable. I have had to have replaced (FSE contract) over half the RD54's in systems I've ever come into contacteB with and relatively recently gave assistance to someone inside the? company with a failed RD54. RF drives and storageworks SCSI areh infinitely more reliable.s  $ Yes you can try the emulex SCSI way.  ' Can you fit a Q-BUS DSSI controller in?e  B I know that you need a minimum version of VMS, and you may have toH detach the RF brackets to fit into a BA23 and be imaginative, but one of@ those and a HSD05 and a storageworks shelf should bring you more reliability in a supported way.   G At this level, I've had enough third party experiences to encourage you H away from directly attached third party. I'm not saying they won't work,D just a case of the potential replacement of one set of problems with another set.  E The other thing to consider id the MV2 is an old system now, and yourrB drives could outlive the system, so you perhaps should consider an< opportunity to refresh for less obsolete hardware all round.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesc nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:46:57 -0500 (EST)a+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>c, Subject: Re: Disks for a MicroVAX II system.H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0312121042520.3761@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>  K i have 4 gig drives hanging off of CQD-220s on a couple microvaxen of mine,aG there does not seem to be any size limit there. i've never tried a disk . bigger than 4.5g, but i suspect it would work.  K another route could be to find an esdi disk and controller: qbus scsi stuff G still actually costs real money, even when you can pick up a microvax-2 K for free in a lot of places, but esdi gear is, if you find it, usually free  as well.  K depending onthe environment, it also might not be a bad idea to netboot it.    isildurc    , On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Javier Henderson wrote:  @ > gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes: >  > U > > In article <iP2dnRZ1Ha_ONUWiRVn-tw@csd.net>, Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> writes:rL > > >I've got a couple of MicroVAX II systems with questionable disk drives,G > > >RD54s I think. Are there any disks on the market today that can ben( > > >substituted for these older drives? > >eP > > There have been Q-Bus to SCSI converter cards. If you find one of those thisO > > might help. But note that the system disk shoud not exceed two gigabytes in'	 > > size.a >rA > I belive that restriction applies only to certain models of the  > VAX(station) 3100. >eM > The QBus SCSI host adapters I'm familiar with (Emulex UC07 and derivatives)tL > didn't have such restrictions that I remember. But then, at the time I wasB > working with them the 760MB Maxtor drives were considered "big". > D > The largest ST421 interface drive I know of would be the RD54 (akaE > Maxtor XT2190), which has long been out of production. I've no ideaa > what availability is like. > > > I'd look for a QBus SCSI host adapter, and some SCSI drives. >  > -jav >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:32:29 -0500\* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Full or Partial file spec ?) Message-ID: <3FD9B51E.BDF2E4DE@istop.com>   N If I am given a string, what is the easiest way to decide if if is a full file: specification or a device/directory , or a wildcard spec ?  
 for instance:    $disk2:[food.recipes]  $disk2:[food.recipes]*.tlb" $disk2:[food.recipes]chocolate.tlb  ) Anything wrong with the following logic ?C  6 If string ends with ] or : then it is a directory spec else' 	if it contains a "*", it is a wildcard  	else it is a real file spec.r  M Here is the context: upon application startup, if the argument is a full fileuN spec, I proceed immediatly to processing that file. If it is just a directory,K I add a "*.TLB" to it and call up a file selection dialogue, and if it is aeH wildcard, I call the file selection dialogue without adding the "*.TLB".  3 Anything obvious where the above logic would fail ?    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 08:02:04 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o( Subject: Re: Full or Partial file spec ?3 Message-ID: <EBmRtG1l6Igi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3FD9B51E.BDF2E4DE@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:P > If I am given a string, what is the easiest way to decide if if is a full file< > specification or a device/directory , or a wildcard spec ? >  > for instance:e >  > $disk2:[food.recipes]\ > $disk2:[food.recipes]*.tlb$ > $disk2:[food.recipes]chocolate.tlb > + > Anything wrong with the following logic ?  > 8 > If string ends with ] or : then it is a directory spec > else) > 	if it contains a "*", it is a wildcard  > 	else it is a real file spec.d  A    Nope:  the following contains a directory spec with no [], andSB    two wildcards, one in the first directory name and one for the     version number:  )       $disk2:<foo%.recipies>chocolate.tlbr  E    A wildcard spec may contain * % 0 - or none of these, depending on H    what you are trying to wildcard.  The RMS routine SYS$PARSE will tell"    you what fields are wildcarded.  G    You should avoid doing your own parsing routines as these are likely E    to fail in the future as additional features are added to the file 
    system.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:38:11 GMT & From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com>( Subject: Re: Full or Partial file spec ?& Message-ID: <3FD9D2D2.D82AA93F@hp.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > G >    A wildcard spec may contain * % 0 - or none of these, depending onnJ >    what you are trying to wildcard.  The RMS routine SYS$PARSE will tell$ >    you what fields are wildcarded.  K Not to mention the ellipsis and (sometimes) the question mark. With ODS-5, 5F the rules get even trickier; you might have explicit percent signs or I square brackets in the filename itself! If you want to get things right,  % let $PARSE do the dirty work for you.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:33:18 +0200e* From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>( Subject: Re: Full or Partial file spec ?9 Message-ID: <brcn46$22o0u$1@ID-103225.news.uni-berlin.de>f   JF Mezei wrote:eP > If I am given a string, what is the easiest way to decide if if is a full file< > specification or a device/directory , or a wildcard spec ? >  > for instance:e >  > $disk2:[food.recipes]  > $disk2:[food.recipes]*.tlb$ > $disk2:[food.recipes]chocolate.tlb > + > Anything wrong with the following logic ?  > 8 > If string ends with ] or : then it is a directory spec > else) > 	if it contains a "*", it is a wildcardp > 	else it is a real file spec.r > O > Here is the context: upon application startup, if the argument is a full file,P > spec, I proceed immediatly to processing that file. If it is just a directory,M > I add a "*.TLB" to it and call up a file selection dialogue, and if it is aHJ > wildcard, I call the file selection dialogue without adding the "*.TLB". > 5 > Anything obvious where the above logic would fail ?L  8 Try looking at SYS$PARSE (hope I've got the name right.)2 it has parameters similar to F$PARSE lexical. From $ HELP LEX F$PARSE ARG:n             default-spec  C            Specifies a character string containing the default file             specification.a  J            The fields in the default file specification are substituted inK            the output string if a particular field in the filespec argument)I            is missing. You can make further substitutions in the filespec 7            argument by using the related-spec argument.m             related-spec  C            Specifies a character string containing the related files            specification.:  J            The fields in the related file specification are substituted inK            the output string if a particular field is missing from both ther/            filespec and default-spec arguments.w     Mike   -- oJ New to Usenet? read http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htmE ---------------------------------------------------------------------pE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.eD Mike Rechtman                                 *rechtman@tzora.co.il*C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"1E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:19:52 -0500:( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: Full or Partial file spec ?, Message-ID: <3FD9EAA8.6080808@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:K  P > If I am given a string, what is the easiest way to decide if if is a full file< > specification or a device/directory , or a wildcard spec ? >  > for instance:o >  > $disk2:[food.recipes]  > $disk2:[food.recipes]*.tlb$ > $disk2:[food.recipes]chocolate.tlb > + > Anything wrong with the following logic ?w > 8 > If string ends with ] or : then it is a directory spec > else) > 	if it contains a "*", it is a wildcard  > 	else it is a real file spec.f > O > Here is the context: upon application startup, if the argument is a full file-P > spec, I proceed immediatly to processing that file. If it is just a directory,M > I add a "*.TLB" to it and call up a file selection dialogue, and if it is aeJ > wildcard, I call the file selection dialogue without adding the "*.TLB". > 5 > Anything obvious where the above logic would fail ?n >    "%"o "<"  ">"a   The first to come to mind.  O Why not build a routine that uses the RMS PARSE functionality, giving you back oP the pieces of the filespec, and/or the beginning position in the string of each P part of the filespec.  This has already been done, why re-invent something that J can be rather complex?  With ODS-5 parsing a filespec is very non-trivial.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadf Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:26:06 +0000 (UTC)e, From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)( Subject: Re: Full or Partial file spec ?. Message-ID: <brctne$8a0$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  { JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes in article <3FD9B51E.BDF2E4DE@istop.com> dated Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:32:29 -0500:hO >If I am given a string, what is the easiest way to decide if if is a full fileu; >specification or a device/directory , or a wildcard spec ?, >y >for instance: >  >$disk2:[food.recipes] >$disk2:[food.recipes]*.tlbs# >$disk2:[food.recipes]chocolate.tlbn > * >Anything wrong with the following logic ? >97 >If string ends with ] or : then it is a directory spec  >else4( >	if it contains a "*", it is a wildcard >	else it is a real file spec.  G Others have pointed out flaws in the above logic, there are others they(J missed, and probably still others I would miss if I tried to list them. So$ I'll just try to suggest a solution.  N >Here is the context: upon application startup, if the argument is a full fileO >spec, I proceed immediatly to processing that file. If it is just a directory,sL >I add a "*.TLB" to it and call up a file selection dialogue, and if it is aI >wildcard, I call the file selection dialogue without adding the "*.TLB".   F If you're in DCL you can use f$parse(arg, "*.TLB",,, "SYNTAX_ONLY") toK resolve the filespec.  Then test 2 successive calls to f$search() to do thedF wildcard operations.  f$search returns "" when it runs out of matchingK files, or if there is no wildcard it returns the exact same string over andw over.u  K There are RMS services SYS$PARSE and SYS$SEARCH which you can use to do the $ same thing inside compiled programs.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:35:10 +0000h% From: Stuart Palin <stuart.palin@0.0>fY Subject: How do I get the equivalent status code when an exception has been raised in Adas# Message-ID: <3FD9C40E.586BC65D@0.0>t   Hi,o  ; We are using VAX Ada and invoking the CLI.DCL_PARSE routine " to handle some user command input.  : If there is a problem with the input there is an exception7 handler (which CLI.DCL_PARSE does trigger).  But in thee8 exception handler we want to get the error code for what6 actually went wrong.  Unfortunately when the exception9 handler is triggered the status code has not been writtenn5 back by CLI.DCL_PARSE - so we can't simply read this.c  : I was looking at LIB.SIG_TO_RET but could not figure out a) way to put it into the exception handler.o  / Does anyone out there have a way of doing this?t  < (I know that if I don't have an exception handler the status8 code is written back - but the CLI.DCL_PARSE generates a9 whole load of traceback messages.  I also know that I canh6 suppress that by compiling/linking with NOTRACEBACK). < Having an exception handler stops all the traceback messages9 (without any special compilation setting) - but loses the  status information.,  7 (Also, is there a definition of exactly which exception ; CLI.DCL_PARSE throws - so the exception handler can be morea: precisely written.  At the moment we embed the call in its: own declaration block so that we can be confident that any$ exception must be from the parsing.)  
 Code snippet:   
    declare8       -- local block to limit scope of exception handler    begin        CLI.DCL_PARSE(Status_Code,#                     Command_String,r                     Table);b    exception<      when others =>  ?? How do I get the real Status_Code ??    end;i   TIAr   -- Stuart Palin   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:17:23 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney):C Subject: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUsh( Message-ID: <brc4jj$tkd$1@pcls4.std.com>  3 keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:r  @ >And if the "cluster cheat" is so "prevalent", why don't lots ofB >entries and lots of vendors appear in the TPC's clustered resultsG >list?  Could it be that folks like Andrew (from Sun) and Pfister (from C >IBM) have a not-so-hidden ulterior motive behind their complaints?t  I Speaking of clusters, how would theoretical 'out of the box' VMS clusters H rank on this list?  Consider an extreme, a 96 node GS1280 cluster (yeah, right!)d -- i -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:19:45 +0000oO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> C Subject: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUsr0 Message-ID: <brc4o1$de8$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Robert Klute wrote:eF > On 10 Dec 2003 15:53:30 -0600, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) > wrote: >  > s >>In article <cf15391e.0312101337.77a045ac@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:T >>i >>>young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<mpyWaSqI3hah@eisner.encompasserve.org>...n >>>pA >>>>	The benchmark is somewhat questionable.  Greg Pfister in "InlB >>>>	Search of Clusters" points out the "cluster-cheat" that is soB >>>>	prevelant.  TPC council much to their credit break things out> >>>>	in clustered and non-clustered for our viewing pleasure.  >>> E >>>I quoted only non-clustered numbers.  I haven't even mentioned the'H >>>even-higher and significantly lower-cost Linux result HP just posted, >>>which is a clustered result.o >>>sB >>>And if the "cluster cheat" is so "prevalent", why don't lots ofD >>>entries and lots of vendors appear in the TPC's clustered resultsI >>>list?  Could it be that folks like Andrew (from Sun) and Pfister (from E >>>IBM) have a not-so-hidden ulterior motive behind their complaints?$ >> >>> >>	Well it is known that Sun's performance sucks so badly they5 >>	stayed away from TPC-C and limp along at SPEC CPU.a >>@ >>	But Pfister's complaint was/is legit.  You certainly wouldn'tF >>	"run" databases like that in the real world (if I recall correctly,< >>	multiple copies of the same tablespace.  One per node?)   >>	Details in his book.i >  > A > This may be true for the 'other' cluster benchmarks, but the HPeG > Itanium/Linux/Oracle benchmark takes advantage of RAC.  There is onlyiD > one copy of the database, no local copies, no duplicaton, only theF > history table uses Oracle's partioning.  It is really of proof pointC > Oracle RAC being able to scale.  Does this make RAC a soltion forsH > everyone? Larry Ellison would want you to think so, but I don't.  WhatJ > would be really interesting is to see how this configuration performs onI > TPC-H.  Do I have any idea of how it would perform? No, but it would bes > interesting. >   4 The warehouse scheme for TPC-C is perfectly designed1 to help RAC. This wasn't a deliberate move on theR1 TPC's part but it really helps RAC and SQL-Servera scale well for TPC-C.   8 One way of verifying that this is very very RAC friendly3 is to look at the cluster interconnect used for thee7 test, it was only Gigabit which has the longest latency : of any RAC cluster interconnect except 100baseT of course.  5 I have seen benchmarks of less RAC friendly OLTP apps < where both Sun and HP had to resort to using SCI/HyperFabric: both of which have latencys that are an order of magnitude: better than Gigabit to get any sort of scalability at all.  9 Its also worth considering how RAC is implimented on eachD9 platform. On Solaris and HP-UX RAC uses in kernel clusterv3 code and for example on Solaris using either SCI ori> SunFireLink (currently the fastest RAC interconnect available)< the cluster code uses Remote Shared Memory, on Linux most of8 the Oracle Clustering is implimented in user land and so3 has a higher context switch and interrupt overhead.t   Regards  Andrew Harrisoni > Robert Klute > Cupertino Solution Centerc > Hewlett-Packard Company) > -----"8 > The opinions are those of the poster, not the company.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:33:31 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> C Subject: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUsc0 Message-ID: <brc5hr$dop$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Robert Klute wrote:o  F > As for RAC, I believe that RAC is becoming a valid way of addressingJ > clustering in a fashion that translates to the 'real' world.  Right now,E > though, you are trading the cost of hardware for the cost of OraclebH > licenses.  A RAC license is twice a 'regular' license. A big factor inG > the cheaper cost of the cluster benchmark is the decision to use less " > expensive disks in the solution. >   C RAC has some very real advantages for HA solutions, the client I am F working for is using it in their online credit authorisation platform.  @ RAC licenses arn't 2x the standard DBMS. If you buy on a per CPU= basis then US list for the DBMS is 40,000 per CPU plus 20,000  for RAC.  ! The problem with RAC is two fold.u  5 1.	Except with a workload like TPC-C you are unlikelys0 	to get the same scalability as a SMP system and3 	for every additional CPU you end up using over andD3 	above what you require on you SMP system costs youm1 	60K, plus the additional 20K per CPU for all the  	other CPU's  2 	As an example if you need 8 CPU's on an SMP sytem0 	and 9 CPU's in your RAC cluster your SW license. 	delta between the SMP and the RAC cluster is., 	220K and you can buy quite a lot of kit for 	220K.  . 2.	RAC has additional infrastructure costs not+ 	required for SMP systems. Firstly you needn, 	a cluster interconnect and if Gigabit isn't/ 	good enough you need invest in SCI/Hyperfabrich  	etc neither of which are cheap.  - 	You also need 2 connections per node to yourY( 	SAN and in some organistations this can* 	be very expensive. One client I deal with2 	has an internal charge of 10K per SAN connection.  3 	So if you need say a 3 node RAC cluster to provide / 	the same throughput as an 8 CPU SMP system youi+ 	may end up paying an extra 40K for the SANr) 	connectivity and ~15-20K for the cluster  	interconnect.  5 Of course if you want HA then RAC is a very very goods2 solution, sub 1 minute recovery under full load is/ something that you could not guarantee a clientd" on an Oracle HA failover platform.   regardss Andrew Harrisona   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:37:44 +0000BO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> C Subject: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUsr0 Message-ID: <brc5po$dop$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Chris Casey wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>mN > wrote in message > > At this point in its evolution, I think TPC-C is mostly > for  > = >>>"bragging rights" (and rather expensive-to-obtain braggingn< >>>rights at that).  If anybody chooses systems based on it, >>>I think they are misguided. >>>  >>8 >>So in other words its worthless, bragging rights isn't >>a measure of capacity is it. >>	 >>regardsr >>Andrew Harrisoni >> >  > : > I thought that was the point of most current benchmarks. >  > 4 No most of the apps vendors actually construct their7 benchmarks to assist with capacity planning of systems.    Regardso Andrew Harrisonc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:36:47 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>tC Subject: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUs 0 Message-ID: <brc5nv$dop$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Chris Casey wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>dJ > wrote in message news:bra0f1> One huge hole in TPC-C for example is that > there is no requiremente > C >>to configure the DBMS for recovery, something you would obviouslyt; >>need to do for a very large mission critical OLTP system.e >>; >>But I assmue you know all this having done your research.  >>	 >>regards  >>Andrew Harrisonh >  > 
 > Recovery??? / > and I thought you were an expert on clusters.f >  > ( So you have never heard of checkpoints !     regardss Andrew HarrisonM   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:59:38 +0000sO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>rC Subject: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUse0 Message-ID: <brc72u$e6b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Michael Moroney wrote:5 > keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:a >  > A >>And if the "cluster cheat" is so "prevalent", why don't lots of C >>entries and lots of vendors appear in the TPC's clustered results-H >>list?  Could it be that folks like Andrew (from Sun) and Pfister (fromD >>IBM) have a not-so-hidden ulterior motive behind their complaints? >  > K > Speaking of clusters, how would theoretical 'out of the box' VMS clusterscJ > rank on this list?  Consider an extreme, a 96 node GS1280 cluster (yeah,	 > right!)c  % How many TPM do you want to achieve ?e  7 TPC-C is perfectly scalable on clusters so if you couldt5 assemble 96 x GS1280's in one place you should easily  get the number on spot.t  9 But number one spot in what, a measure thats only usefullO4 to establish bragging rights or put another way as a  marketing tool and nothing else.   Regardse Andrew Harrisont   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:12:26 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>eC Subject: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUso0 Message-ID: <brcerr$gu9$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > In article <br9m7m$hje$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>Rob Young wrote: >>t >>>In article <cf15391e.0312101337.77a045ac@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: >>>. >>> j >>>>young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<mpyWaSqI3hah@eisner.encompasserve.org>... >>>> >>>>B >>>>>	The benchmark is somewhat questionable.  Greg Pfister in "InC >>>>>	Search of Clusters" points out the "cluster-cheat" that is sosC >>>>>	prevelant.  TPC council much to their credit break things out ? >>>>>	in clustered and non-clustered for our viewing pleasure. - >>>>F >>>>I quoted only non-clustered numbers.  I haven't even mentioned theI >>>>even-higher and significantly lower-cost Linux result HP just posted,   >>>>which is a clustered result. >>>>C >>>>And if the "cluster cheat" is so "prevalent", why don't lots ofpE >>>>entries and lots of vendors appear in the TPC's clustered results J >>>>list?  Could it be that folks like Andrew (from Sun) and Pfister (fromF >>>>IBM) have a not-so-hidden ulterior motive behind their complaints? >>>h >>>i >>>d? >>>	Well it is known that Sun's performance sucks so badly they36 >>>	stayed away from TPC-C and limp along at SPEC CPU. >>< >>You were doing OK Rob when you questioned TPC-C's validity1 >>sadly you then spoilt it with this peice of BS.  >> >  > A > 	Pleeze.  Andrew , if it was BS you would be quick to point out G > 	why it is BS.  Of course it isn't or you would be trotting somethingIC > 	out for us to chew on.  Sun was noticeably absent from TPC-C fora7 > 	quite sometime.  Any Sun SPEC CPU mark is laughable.e >   4 Its BS because in order for it not to be BS you have3 to demonstrate why on earth anyone should care what - the TPC-C or SPEC numbers are for a platform..  2 Customers run apps they don't run SPECint ot TPC-C never have and never will.  4 You are still showing alarming symptoms of the Alpha disease take a pill.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 07:49:29 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) C Subject: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUsi3 Message-ID: <$dCovtpoimgt@eisner.encompasserve.org>A  n In article <vqehtv83hq8cfgjdn3r1jtm2pef6ibsmj1@4ax.com>, Robert Klute <robert_klute_removethis@hp.com> writes:F > On 10 Dec 2003 15:53:30 -0600, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) > wrote: > s >>In article <cf15391e.0312101337.77a045ac@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: j >>> young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<mpyWaSqI3hah@eisner.encompasserve.org>...B >>>> 	The benchmark is somewhat questionable.  Greg Pfister in "InC >>>> 	Search of Clusters" points out the "cluster-cheat" that is so C >>>> 	prevelant.  TPC council much to their credit break things outa? >>>> 	in clustered and non-clustered for our viewing pleasure. 7 >>> F >>> I quoted only non-clustered numbers.  I haven't even mentioned theI >>> even-higher and significantly lower-cost Linux result HP just posted,u  >>> which is a clustered result. >>> C >>> And if the "cluster cheat" is so "prevalent", why don't lots ofqE >>> entries and lots of vendors appear in the TPC's clustered resultspJ >>> list?  Could it be that folks like Andrew (from Sun) and Pfister (fromF >>> IBM) have a not-so-hidden ulterior motive behind their complaints? >> >>> >>	Well it is known that Sun's performance sucks so badly they5 >>	stayed away from TPC-C and limp along at SPEC CPU.n >>@ >>	But Pfister's complaint was/is legit.  You certainly wouldn'tF >>	"run" databases like that in the real world (if I recall correctly,< >>	multiple copies of the same tablespace.  One per node?)   >>	Details in his book.- > A > This may be true for the 'other' cluster benchmarks, but the HPgG > Itanium/Linux/Oracle benchmark takes advantage of RAC.  There is only?D > one copy of the database, no local copies, no duplicaton, only theF > history table uses Oracle's partioning.  It is really of proof pointC > Oracle RAC being able to scale.  Does this make RAC a soltion fortH > everyone? Larry Ellison would want you to think so, but I don't.  WhatJ > would be really interesting is to see how this configuration performs onI > TPC-H.  Do I have any idea of how it would perform? No, but it would be  > interesting. >   ? 	Does appear that Pfister's complaint is a bit stale.  His booki 	is due for a revision anyhow.   				Rob-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:40:08 GMTM8 From: Peter Ljungberg <SYSTEMNOSPAM@pcmk2.data.telia.se>C Subject: Re: HP tops 1 million tpmC on Superdome with Itanium2 CPUsD4 Message-ID: <crkCb.41781$dP1.161550@newsc.telia.net>   Keith Parris wrote:e  e >"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<NcmdnZNdy5iPY0ui4p2dnA@metrocast.net>...t >  i > N >>noted, the situation will only get worse next year, when 64-processor POWER5L >>systems will be competing against - and thoroughly humiliating in absoluteL >>as well as per-processor performance - the minimally-enhanced Superdomes). >>     >> >aG >That's sometime out in the future -- what if Superdomes have 96 or 128  >CPUs by then? >  >  M > N >>Hey, HP could have all 10 of the top 10 results if it tested enough variantsJ >>of the same Superdome system.  And it would mean no more than the singleK >>best result it has posted (nor is anything more than the top 32-processor- >>IBM result significant). >>     >> >rC >You're trying to pull an old trick with statistics here.  Find out-F >what metric your competition is ahead on, then try to convince peopleD >that dividing everything by that metric somehow produces a "better"D >number.  Since your competitor's number is higher, dividing by that; >number always makes all other numbers look better for you.  >aG >In the days of 4-megabit Token Ring vs. 10-megabit Ethernet, IBM triedhB >to get everyone to talk about network efficiency in "per-megabit"= >terms.  When Alpha clock rates and performance were so high,uE >competitors tried to talk about SPECmarks/Mhz.  Here, you want us tomC >accept tpm-C/CPU as a valid metric.  Nice try, but I'm not buying.o >,C >If IBM could produce a 64-CPU POWER4 box they'd have one.  If they G >could have reached 1M tpm-C first, they would have.  The couldn't, and1
 >they didn't.8 >  M >   H I just wonder why there haven't been any TPC-C released for the Marvel ?    >>> ^ P.Lj-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:06:16 GMTh; From: Charlie McCutcheon <charlie.mccutcheonspam@nothp.com>c" Subject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS...) Message-ID: <3FD9D967.F7DD5259@nothp.com>r  J > I may have to learn Bliss in the next month or two, at the very least toO > understand what an existing piece of software does so I can write a new piece / > in a different language to interface with it.f  H You have a lot of replies that I haven't read, but here's a few tidbits.  P Bliss is a  powerful expression and macro oriented language.  You can assign theQ result of a huge if or case statement into a variable.  Its essentially typeless,lO no floating point (etc), just integer and structures.  You can assign into most Q anything any way you please.  Note the dot fetch operator.  Other fetch operatorssC exist, but I don't think are useful on VMS (they were on PDP-10's).   O This power also allows you to shoot yourself in the foot easily.  You can writesI things very hard for other programmers to figure out or debug.  If you're ? inheriting code, I hope the programmers wrote it nicely...  8-)s   Charliet   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:31:35 +0000oO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>mA Subject: Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid!o0 Message-ID: <brcu1n$m70$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > ' >> "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" a* >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>> >> wrote in message news:br9ld0$hdk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >> >>> Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>> D >>>> AlphaServers running VMS.  It was a very good quarter and beat  >>>> everyones# >>>> expectations by a wide margin.  >>>> >>>r >>> Provide the numbersR >>>s >> >> >> Nope. >>( > Don't post unsupported BS then (again) > 	 > RegardsP > Andrew Harrison' >  > 1 I know its bad form to follow up your own postings1 but I thought it would be helpfull to provide the ( numbers that Fred was so keen to talk up but not actually provide.   / The answer is that AlphaServers running OpenVMSb/ did ~64 million dollars last quarter. The wordse blip and radar spring to mind.   regards  Andrew Harrisonl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:02:58 -0800e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>iA Subject: RE: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid! 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEHBIKAA.tom@kednos.com>l  @  not questioning, but just curious where you found those numbers   >-----Original Message-----o( >From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy/ >[mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com]u( >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:32 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComB >Subject: Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid! >h >i) >Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:y >> Fred Kleinsorge wrote:r >> t( >>> "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" + >>> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ? >>> wrote in message news:br9ld0$hdk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...t >>>2 >>>> Fred Kleinsorge wrote:u >>>>E >>>>> AlphaServers running VMS.  It was a very good quarter and beat t >>>>> everyonesf$ >>>>> expectations by a wide margin. >>>>>  >>>> >>>> Provide the numbers >>>> >>>S >>>p	 >>> Nope.e >>>c) >> Don't post unsupported BS then (again)- >> -
 >> Regards >> Andrew Harrison >> 5 >> 02 >I know its bad form to follow up your own posting2 >but I thought it would be helpfull to provide the) >numbers that Fred was so keen to talk up3 >but not actually provide. > 0 >The answer is that AlphaServers running OpenVMS0 >did ~64 million dollars last quarter. The words >blip and radar spring to mind.r >i >regards >Andrew Harrison >u >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.l; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).tA >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003- >  ---r& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:33:26 -0800i# From: "D. Johnson" <djoh@yahoo.com>nF Subject: Make $$ now quick. THIS WORKS I SWEAR TO IT!! paid my tuition1 Message-ID: <brbuvb$etf$1128@woodrow.ucdavis.edu>          I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it: A little while back, I was browsing through news groups and e-mails, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you can make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00!! So, I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam," but like most of us, I was curious, so I KEPT reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the six names and addresses stated in the article. You then plajce your own name and address in the bottom of the list at $6.00, and post the article in at least 200 news groups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured, "What have I got to lose; except six stamps and $6.00 right, right?" Then I invested the measly $6.00.   WELL GUESS WHAT!!! Within seven days, I started getting money in the mail!! I was shocked!! I figured it would end soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total of more than $1000.00!! In the third week I had more than $10,000.00 and it's still growing!! This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of $42,000.00 and it's still coming rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00 and six stamps, and I have spent more than that on the lottery without  ever winning!!!  DLet me tell you how this works and most important, why it works.......... also make sure you print this out NOW, so you can get the information off of it, as you will need it. I promise you that if you follow the directions exactly that you will start making more money than you thought possible by doing something so easy!!  N Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully!! (Print it out or download it)   Follow the simple directions and watch the money come in!! It's easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage)!!!  
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If you have received this message in error,  G please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender w immediately by return E-mail.   B Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure,  error or virus-free. lA The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions.i   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:09:48 +0000 (UTC)o? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org>t3 Subject: Re: Memo:  Re:  Another search enhancement 9 Message-ID: <3FD9AF51.2F2C567D@encompasserve-or-this.org>    paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:  > F > Something I have always wanted was a way to limit SEARCH to specific  > columns in the data such that: > # > $SEARCH/(POS:3,SIZ:5) file stringe > J > would only consider characters 3-8 in any record for match. Particularly > useful for columnar data.e > M > I have never found a particularly elegant way to do this without going intoC > a program .... >   9 I think you'll find that's already there, try SEARCH/KEY.i     Graham   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 09:02:50 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)-C Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashingt= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312120902.274f7790@posting.google.com>w   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<br9veh$kn1$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...S= > They can have dissaster tolerant clusters from Sun as well.   D A Sun Cluster can either provide redundant servers within a site, orF you can have a single server in each of two sites (limit of 2 nodes inE the Sun Cluster in a disaster-tolerant configuration). So if you losenD a site, you no longer have server redundancy. So you can't have bothA inter-site and intra-site redundancy at the same time.  DifficultL choice to have to make.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:23:47 +0000uO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>aC Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters give Windows, Unix thorough thrashingt0 Message-ID: <brctj4$m13$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Keith Parris wrote:s > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<br9veh$kn1$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...i > = >>They can have dissaster tolerant clusters from Sun as well.r >  > F > A Sun Cluster can either provide redundant servers within a site, orH > you can have a single server in each of two sites (limit of 2 nodes inG > the Sun Cluster in a disaster-tolerant configuration). So if you losexF > a site, you no longer have server redundancy. So you can't have bothC > inter-site and intra-site redundancy at the same time.  Difficult  > choice to have to make.   : That would be true currently with the standard configs for# SunCluster, it isn't true with VCS.=   Regardso Andrew Harrisont   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 05:47:29 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: OpenVMS org= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0312120547.29ab54e0@posting.google.com>   Z Hein <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com> wrote in message news:<3FD94B3E.F6F7945E@eps.zk.dec.com>... > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > > Larry Kilgallen wrote:F > > > How many of those here assembled have chosen an operating system > > > based on advertising ? > >TJ > > I have a better question: How many of those here assembled have chosen@ > > an operating system they've never heard of or seen in an ad? > y > Is that a trick question? The answer is clearly "all of the c.o.v. readers" as they all use VMS and never ever saw thats > adverstised. > e > [I'll go back into my cage now. I accidently opened up this entry and have not followed the thread]  >  > Hein.9    E What about a possible convergence of Operating Systems architectures?n; A mix of OpenVMS + NSK + Unix in the future ? Frankstein ? r< As HP consolidated their processors: Itanium, the future for> me comes as OS-Consolidation ! The best o VMS, NSK and Unix !      Regardsr   FC   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 07:38:44 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o Subject: Re: OpenVMS org3 Message-ID: <RLXILGvd2fLh@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  U In article <3FD94B3E.F6F7945E@eps.zk.dec.com>, Hein <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com> writes:  > y > Is that a trick question? The answer is clearly "all of the c.o.v. readers" as they all use VMS and never ever saw thatt > adverstised.  C    Guess again.  I recall days in which VMS was advertized.  I alsoeH    recall days when I got Digital Review and Digital News and I couldn'tG    throw a stick without hitting some mention of VMS even if DEC didn'tc    pay for an ad.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:04:24 +0100r* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: OpenVMS org0 Message-ID: <3FDA1138.3D3BCA51@sture.homeip.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > z > In article <3FD7E5A2.339DC21@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >> [snip]sK > >> You could spin VMS off into it's own company, but it would take away a>1 > >> valuable income stream - so it's not likely.t > > D > > If VMS is such a "valuable income stream", why does hp refuse to > > advertise it?i > D > Presumably because they do not believe the revenue stream would beB > enhanced by advertising it.  Having sometimes spent money myselfG > on advertising software and seen revenue be unrelated to advertising,h8 > I am not in a position to second-guess HP on this one. > B > How many of those here assembled have chosen an operating system > based on advertising ?    E Advertising only, no, but exposure to the press and ensuing technicalr discussions, yes.   A But I will say this. When I accepted my present position, variouseG acquaintances, and family members, told me in no uncertain terms that I E should bet my career on Windows instead of VMS. They'd never heard of D VMS, and some of them were in positions which put them in control of large IT budgets.l   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 2003 10:43:37 EST, From: "DumberThanSnot" <Dumber@ThanSnot.com> Subject: Re: Ping: VAXmant0 Message-ID: <brcnn9$evc@dispatch.concentric.net>   <snip>  L > BK is with (now) Symantec (formerly Axent) working on PeeCees and Eunuchs.  K That's not surprising, he was headed that way back in 94 when I left Raxco.aK And I used to beat him in Racquest ball all the time too!  (just for a sideh note, hehe)n   >hL > GCE was working in VMS engineering for a while.  He moved back to Delaware$ > and is working for First One Bank.   Not as a teller I hope!  ;-)   >lD > EH is a partner in the Loki Group.  LG took on the development and mainten-F > ance of the plugged stuff.  I work with LG doing the entirety of the devel-D > opment and maintenance of the plugged stuff.  Legacy purchased the software > when Symantec acquired Axent.d  J Next time ya see EH tell him I didn't write XVT, ha.  He once 'accused' meG of writting that POS (piece of...) when I contracted him to help with a L small piece of Lotus.  Later I found out that he said the interface from theH Raxco code to the XVT software was nice (that was the part I wrote), butI that XVT sucked (that's the part I didn't write)...  Finally... after alli7 these years I feel the weight off my shoulders.  HA ;-)t  G One of the coolest things I remember about EH is that he hangs out withuJ Bella Fleck.  Victor Wooten (part of the Flecktones) is one of my favoriteD musicians.  Ed's coolness level rose 100 times when he told me that.   > J > HG is at Process now.  He and I were working together doing dev/maint of thef* > plugged stuff before he want to Process. >n > Small world, eh?  4 No kidding...  kinda fun seeing where everyone is...I Too bad Carl Lydick isn't still around (RIP).  His posts were fun to readlL watching him tear into someone for asking questions that he felt they should( already know.  He was ruthless at times!   >r > --B > http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the best OpenVMS system security
 solutions. >p2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  F I never did make it into the Kernel Mode sector very far.  But, I sureL enjoyed working on the best computers/os around.  Now, being a lowly WindowsJ PeeCee guy <snif>, I find myself not even caring anymore about all the funI stuff.  Like, replacing the DCLTABLES with a new text set and making BK's ' computer reboot every hour on the hour.u   -brian   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:03:24 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Ping: VAXman 0 Message-ID: <00A2A428.0D71F92D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <brcnn9$evc@dispatch.concentric.net>, "DumberThanSnot" <Dumber@ThanSnot.com> writes:  {...snip...}H >One of the coolest things I remember about EH is that he hangs out withK >Bella Fleck.  Victor Wooten (part of the Flecktones) is one of my favoritenE >musicians.  Ed's coolness level rose 100 times when he told me that..  M I knew EH was into eclectic music.  He and I would often speak about concerts H we had attended.  I didn't know he knew Bella.  He's never mentioned it.    5 >No kidding...  kinda fun seeing where everyone is... J >Too bad Carl Lydick isn't still around (RIP).  His posts were fun to readM >watching him tear into someone for asking questions that he felt they shouldd) >already know.  He was ruthless at times!a  K I kept out of Carl.os.vms for the better part of Carl's illustrious tenure.0J I was rather disappointed when he then started to riddle VMSnet.internals  with his rapier rhetoric.u    G >I never did make it into the Kernel Mode sector very far.  But, I sureDM >enjoyed working on the best computers/os around.  Now, being a lowly WindowsnK >PeeCee guy <snif>, I find myself not even caring anymore about all the funaJ >stuff.  Like, replacing the DCLTABLES with a new text set and making BK's( >computer reboot every hour on the hour.  L I've had to suffer BK's C written like Basic for too long.  Even worse, I'veM had to suffer his Basic too!  I wish I could torment him like you did just as,K a way of getting some satisfaction for the horrendous way all that code wasr9 written and the effort I've had to expend to clean it up.    --K http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the best OpenVMS system security solutions.e   K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMH            -5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" 1   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:53:48 -0500_. From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart-nospam@gce.com> Subject: Re: Ping: VAXman 4 Message-ID: <3fd9e956$0$14963$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>  ? Nope, not as a teller. I do info security stuff, am the infosecn% architect for the credit card area...c Glenn Everhart     DumberThanSnot wrote:u > <snip> > L >>BK is with (now) Symantec (formerly Axent) working on PeeCees and Eunuchs. >  > M > That's not surprising, he was headed that way back in 94 when I left Raxco.rM > And I used to beat him in Racquest ball all the time too!  (just for a sidee
 > note, hehe)e >  > L >>GCE was working in VMS engineering for a while.  He moved back to Delaware$ >>and is working for First One Bank. >  >  > Not as a teller I hope!  ;-) >  > D >>EH is a partner in the Loki Group.  LG took on the development and > 
 > mainten- > F >>ance of the plugged stuff.  I work with LG doing the entirety of the >  > devel- > D >>opment and maintenance of the plugged stuff.  Legacy purchased the > 
 > software >  >>when Symantec acquired Axent.o >  > L > Next time ya see EH tell him I didn't write XVT, ha.  He once 'accused' meI > of writting that POS (piece of...) when I contracted him to help with asN > small piece of Lotus.  Later I found out that he said the interface from theJ > Raxco code to the XVT software was nice (that was the part I wrote), butK > that XVT sucked (that's the part I didn't write)...  Finally... after allo9 > these years I feel the weight off my shoulders.  HA ;-)h > I > One of the coolest things I remember about EH is that he hangs out withoL > Bella Fleck.  Victor Wooten (part of the Flecktones) is one of my favoriteF > musicians.  Ed's coolness level rose 100 times when he told me that. >  > J >>HG is at Process now.  He and I were working together doing dev/maint of >  > thee > * >>plugged stuff before he want to Process. >> >>Small world, eh? >  > 6 > No kidding...  kinda fun seeing where everyone is...K > Too bad Carl Lydick isn't still around (RIP).  His posts were fun to readUN > watching him tear into someone for asking questions that he felt they should* > already know.  He was ruthless at times! >  >  >>--B >>http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the best OpenVMS system security >  > solutions. > 2 >>VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker >  > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >>  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >  > H > I never did make it into the Kernel Mode sector very far.  But, I sureN > enjoyed working on the best computers/os around.  Now, being a lowly WindowsL > PeeCee guy <snif>, I find myself not even caring anymore about all the funK > stuff.  Like, replacing the DCLTABLES with a new text set and making BK'sh) > computer reboot every hour on the hour." >  > -brian >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 08:08:47 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: Ping: VAXmand= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0312120808.6eedaab4@posting.google.com>>  X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A2A363.9C4AC49B@SendSpamHere.ORG>...a > In article <bra49a$6qt@dispatch.concentric.net>, "DumberThanSnot" <Dumber@ThanSnot.com> writes:eI > >Hey VAXman...  I just tried to send you an e-mail at the VAXman TMESISuM > >address and it got kicked back.  I was looking for some of my old softwareoN > >that seems to be on the TMESIS site under lock and key.  It might be easierL > >to download the programs rather than dig out and dust off my old MVII andM > >try to get it booted again.  Send me a note at DumberThanSnot <at> hotmailo
 > ><dot> com.i > 3 > Hey Brian, there's your problem... HOTMAIL.COM     > O > I've SPAM filtered HOTMAIL.COM accounts.  Too many SPAMs, viruses and invitesy > to porno-web-cam URLs. > O > You can try me at my DECUServe email address.  *Correctly* spell my last namelN > and leave off the last 2 characters.  The host name is eisner and the domain! > is encompasserve<ASCII %x2E>como    @ Hmmmm ! What about a my-email@openvms.org for easy communicationD between the comp.os.vms group ! Ate least there is no internet, just- internal storage ! Ken Farmer, are u there ? e   Regardsn   FC   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 2003 11:55:05 EST, From: "DumberThanSnot" <Dumber@ThanSnot.com> Subject: Re: Ping: VAXman-0 Message-ID: <brcrt9$knn@dispatch.concentric.net>  K Hey Glenn... it's good to see another from the past.  Glad to hear your notpE a teller...  ;-)   Cool on the CC stuff, I hope it's still VMS!   OurrL company does Hotel systems.  I'm the device interface/device driver guy.  InH addition to some of the front end stuff, I'm also writing all the deviceL interfaces... like Call Accounting, PBX, Voice Mail, In-Room Movies, CentralF Reservations, Electronic Locks, Credit Card, etc...  the list is LONG!L Anyway, I just wrote the code to get my credit card system to interface withJ FDMS (modem and internet), Vitel (modem and internet, and working on a VPNE and satellite link).  MAN, I can't wait to get out of the Credit Cards
 interface.   take care Glenn, brians  ; "Glenn Everhart" <Everhart-nospam@gce.com> wrote in messaget. news:3fd9e956$0$14963$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...A > Nope, not as a teller. I do info security stuff, am the infosec ' > architect for the credit card area...> > Glenn Everhart >n >c > DumberThanSnot wrote:s
 > > <snip> > >dE > >>BK is with (now) Symantec (formerly Axent) working on PeeCees anda Eunuchs. > >l > > H > > That's not surprising, he was headed that way back in 94 when I left Raxco.J > > And I used to beat him in Racquest ball all the time too!  (just for a side > > note, hehe)  > >- > >dE > >>GCE was working in VMS engineering for a while.  He moved back tow Delaware& > >>and is working for First One Bank. > >  > >f  > > Not as a teller I hope!  ;-) > >  > >>F > >>EH is a partner in the Loki Group.  LG took on the development and > >b > > mainten- > >hH > >>ance of the plugged stuff.  I work with LG doing the entirety of the > >.
 > > devel- > > F > >>opment and maintenance of the plugged stuff.  Legacy purchased the > >n > > software > >g! > >>when Symantec acquired Axent.t > >a > >aK > > Next time ya see EH tell him I didn't write XVT, ha.  He once 'accused'u meK > > of writting that POS (piece of...) when I contracted him to help with aoL > > small piece of Lotus.  Later I found out that he said the interface from thevL > > Raxco code to the XVT software was nice (that was the part I wrote), butI > > that XVT sucked (that's the part I didn't write)...  Finally... after. allI; > > these years I feel the weight off my shoulders.  HA ;-)  > >eK > > One of the coolest things I remember about EH is that he hangs out withoE > > Bella Fleck.  Victor Wooten (part of the Flecktones) is one of my- favoriteH > > musicians.  Ed's coolness level rose 100 times when he told me that. > >k > >aL > >>HG is at Process now.  He and I were working together doing dev/maint of > >e > > the  > >b, > >>plugged stuff before he want to Process. > >> > >>Small world, eh? > >l > >m8 > > No kidding...  kinda fun seeing where everyone is...H > > Too bad Carl Lydick isn't still around (RIP).  His posts were fun to readI > > watching him tear into someone for asking questions that he felt theyh should, > > already know.  He was ruthless at times! > >r > >o > >>--D > >>http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the best OpenVMS system security > >i > > solutions. > >i4 > >>VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > >  > > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > >t8 > >>  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > >d > >yJ > > I never did make it into the Kernel Mode sector very far.  But, I sureH > > enjoyed working on the best computers/os around.  Now, being a lowly Windows J > > PeeCee guy <snif>, I find myself not even caring anymore about all the fun H > > stuff.  Like, replacing the DCLTABLES with a new text set and making BK's+ > > computer reboot every hour on the hour.u > > 
 > > -brian > >. > >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:52:33 +0200s* From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>? Subject: Re: Rookie with VMS . DCL etc... need your help pleaseB* Message-ID: <3FD9E441.6050607@tzora.co.il>   GabrielG wrote:"   > I have a couple of questions.l6 > 1 Can some one please explain me what Compaq "Alpha"> > computer platform and associated peripherals components are?; > 2 . Same question as #1 but with Intel computer platform.oK > What are VMS operating systems envirounment to include DCL and /or Cache/c > 3. What is DCL > Thanks in advance.K > I have an interview next week and I qualified for the position 85% except M > this portion which I have never been expose to, but it does not hurt to get-L > some general ideal and hopully this company will give a chance to work for > them.e! > Once more thanks for your help.m > Gabe.c >  >  > = Replace "Compaq" with "Digital" (original) or "HP" (current.)   C For a quick crib try "The Operating Systems handbook" by DuCharme - ( chapters 8,9,10,11; total about 50 pages  H for an even quicker crib look for "OpenVMS manager's primer"  on the HP C OpenVMS web site - approx 1-2 hours web-based intro for a complete t: newbie. Start from http://h71000.www7.hp.com/training.html  G Best: try to find "Getting started with OpenVMS" by Duffy (fairly new,   softcover pocket-sized).  I There used to be a 20-page booklet that came with VMS (before the "Open" tF days) documentation, called IIRC "VMS Primer" - an excellent starter, ) but probably impossible to find nowadays.s     Welcome to VMS!t   Mike   --  J New to Usenet? read http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htmE ---------------------------------------------------------------------oE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.hD Mike Rechtman                                 *rechtman@tzora.co.il*C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"wE ---------------------------------------------------------------------u   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:34:31 GMT-. From: "GabrielG" <twc2813049608@earthlink.net>; Subject: Rookie with VMS . DCL etc... need your help please:@ Message-ID: <belCb.415$X97.111@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>   I have a couple of questions.e4 1 Can some one please explain me what Compaq "Alpha"< computer platform and associated peripherals components are?9 2 . Same question as #1 but with Intel computer platform.nI What are VMS operating systems envirounment to include DCL and /or Cache/r 3. What is DCL Thanks in advance.I I have an interview next week and I qualified for the position 85% except K this portion which I have never been expose to, but it does not hurt to getuJ some general ideal and hopully this company will give a chance to work for them.c Once more thanks for your help.  Gabe.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:35:21 -0500e* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>? Subject: Re: Rookie with VMS . DCL etc... need your help please,3 Message-ID: <C3mCb.6954$G1.32120@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>@   Below...   -- c Syltremn   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---sC "GabrielG" <twc2813049608@earthlink.net> a crit dans le message de:: news:belCb.415$X97.111@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > I have a couple of questions.F6 > 1 Can some one please explain me what Compaq "Alpha"> > computer platform and associated peripherals components are?J Alpha: 1st 64 bits chip to reach the market. OpenVMS and Digital Unix (now renamed Tru64) run on it.d  ; > 2 . Same question as #1 but with Intel computer platform.s/ Alpha is a Digital chip, Intel also makes chipshL Alpha has been discontinued by Compaq (now HP) and 64 bits chips will now beE Itanium chips made by Intel. OpenVMS will continue to run on Itanium.>  K > What are VMS operating systems envirounment to include DCL and /or Cache/t > 3. What is DCL Digital Command LanguageL A command language that uses english words to administrate/manage an OpenVMS system   > Thanks in advance.K > I have an interview next week and I qualified for the position 85% exceptoI > this portion which I have never been expose to, but it does not hurt to  getdL > some general ideal and hopully this company will give a chance to work for > them. ! > Once more thanks for your help.  > Gabe.  >d >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 07:50:01 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)f$ Subject: Re: Scott McNealy;s Dilemma3 Message-ID: <NuXloAMC12o8@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  V In article <3FD93387.D3D6331C@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > M > What the article fails to mention about Linux is that it is perhaps history-M > rewritten. Many of the computer manufacturers (think "the bunch") seing howoP > their proprietary system couldn't compete against VMS and MVS decided to go toL > the "free" route: Unix. Over time, they added more and more to the vanillaB > Unix in order to make it proprietary, hence HP-UX, AIX, Solaris.  E    It's been very interesting of late, seeing many articles referring D    to "open" systems vendors' UNIX offerings as "proprietary" in the    face of Linux.t  !    What goes around comes around.m   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 07:44:30 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)n- Subject: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSe= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312120744.6d668faf@posting.google.com>e  A Singapore Exchange (SGX) has chosen exchange software from the OMs? Group and will run it on OpenVMS in a disaster-tolerant clusterN2 configuration.  This is a new customer to OpenVMS.  t http://info.sgx.com/webnewscentre.nsf/b9c790d0d5ba5d2548256dcf0049ce28/48256838002f07b148256dfa00321bde?OpenDocument   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:01:49 +0200* From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS 9 Message-ID: <brcopi$1e422$1@ID-103225.news.uni-berlin.de>I   Keith Parris wrote:t  C > Singapore Exchange (SGX) has chosen exchange software from the OM A > Group and will run it on OpenVMS in a disaster-tolerant clusterT4 > configuration.  This is a new customer to OpenVMS. > v > http://info.sgx.com/webnewscentre.nsf/b9c790d0d5ba5d2548256dcf0049ce28/48256838002f07b148256dfa00321bde?OpenDocument  K Possibly, but I could find no mention of VMS (Open or other) on the page...o   Mike   -- oJ New to Usenet? read http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htmE ---------------------------------------------------------------------wE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.tD Mike Rechtman                                 *rechtman@tzora.co.il*C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"eE ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:33:29 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS!3 Message-ID: <3fd9ee18$0$1169$636a55ce@news.free.fr>u  D Their product, named Click XT, runs on VMS (and Solaris, and Windoz)D http://www.omgroup.com/products/pdf/CLICK%20XT%20Product%20sheet.pdf   D.1 An Intelligence Service from VAXUS. www.vaxus.org    Mike Rechtman wrote:   > Keith Parris wrote:e > N >> Singapore Exchange (SGX) has chosen exchange software from the OM Group andM >> will run it on OpenVMS in a disaster-tolerant cluster configuration.  ThisM  >> is a new customer to OpenVMS. >>  w >> http://info.sgx.com/webnewscentre.nsf/b9c790d0d5ba5d2548256dcf0049ce28/48256838002f07b148256dfa00321bde?OpenDocumentp >>   >> y >  > M > Possibly, but I could find no mention of VMS (Open or other) on the page...  >  > Mike >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:22:37 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 1 Subject: RE: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSE9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEGPIKAA.tom@kednos.com>   H They were at the Bootcamp.  I spoke to them.  They had literature there.  G This is a subsidiary of the parent that tried to buy the LSE (London ..  not Language ...)f   >-----Original Message-----,2 >From: Mike Rechtman [mailto:rechtman@tzora.co.il]( >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:02 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 >Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS >i >f >Keith Parris wrote: > D >> Singapore Exchange (SGX) has chosen exchange software from the OMB >> Group and will run it on OpenVMS in a disaster-tolerant cluster5 >> configuration.  This is a new customer to OpenVMS.t >> >>D >http://info.sgx.com/webnewscentre.nsf/b9c790d0d5ba5d2548256dcf0049c2 >e28/48256838002f07b148256dfa00321bde?OpenDocument >tL >Possibly, but I could find no mention of VMS (Open or other) on the page... >  >Mike6 >2 >-- K >New to Usenet? read http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htmaF >---------------------------------------------------------------------F >Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.E >Mike Rechtman                                 *rechtman@tzora.co.il*sD >   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"F >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >a >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.s; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).hA >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003m >, ---m& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:10:57 +0000nO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>h1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSi0 Message-ID: <brcsr1$lnh$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Mike Rechtman wrote: > Keith Parris wrote:w > D >> Singapore Exchange (SGX) has chosen exchange software from the OMB >> Group and will run it on OpenVMS in a disaster-tolerant cluster5 >> configuration.  This is a new customer to OpenVMS.o >>x >> http://info.sgx.com/webnewscentre.nsf/b9c790d0d5ba5d2548256dcf0049ce28/48256838002f07b148256dfa00321bde?OpenDocument  >> >  > M > Possibly, but I could find no mention of VMS (Open or other) on the page...r >  > Mike  ? I suspect Keith thinks that Click XP only runs on OpenVMS whichi/ isn't true. It is supported on Solaris as well.    regardso Andrew Harrisono   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:01:21 +0000eO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>oB Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday0 Message-ID: <brcooi$keq$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>i= > wrote in message news:br4lvu$nkp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  >  >> > = > Hope it isn't as dismal as your forray into supercomputing.t > D > There are a lot of people who want to unburden themselves from MS.M > Lots-of-luck.  Linux isn't there when it comes to the desktop when comparedo5 > to Windows - there will be lots of unhappy campers.  >    Why isn't it there ?   Device support ?  ? Well no Linux generally does pretty well on PC hardware supports@ the only major holes being WinModem support and Centrino support= or rather parts of the Centrino chipset. The Centrino problemh" also has a solution from linuxant.  # Desktop application functionality ?X   Well no.  @ Browser, Mozilla, Ephiphany and the other Geco based browsers orC Opera. The most current releases of Mozilla have some features thati- IE users would kil for like popup management.y  . Office, StarOffice/OpenOffice, Corel, Koffice.  $ Mail, Evolution, Mozilla, Opera etc.  F Calendar/PIM, Evolution, Korganiser or one of a multitude of web cals.   UI, Kde, Gnome2h  ( Multimedia, Realplayer, MP3, DVD ETC ETC  5 There are also a host of other tools for IM, PDA syncV( Imaging, Digital Camera support etc etc.  9 What hasn't happened until recently is someone taking alls7 these tools and making sure that they use the same lookh; and feal/theme and that they are integrated with each otherg' while stripping out all the duplicates.o  4 Many of the older linux desktop distibutions tend to7 supply a huge raft of software with lots of duplication  of functionality.   < This has changed and JDS is one of a number of desktop Linux! distributiuons that address this.a  ; So you get to management and here it rather depends on whatc	 you want.s  : JDS uses the Yast2 management tool an interface that looks2 rather like what you might expect to so on XP etc.  9 JDS is also targetted at corporate desktops where configsA8 are locked down and not changed and in that sense it has( a great deal of advantages over Windows.  7 Staroffice Enterprise for example can store all of yourp/ configuration details not in a registry on youri! desktop but in an LDAP directory.t  6 Gnome, Evolution, Gaim and Mozilla can also be managed6 centrally while also being locked down on the desktop.  4 Sure it may well be more difficult to add a specific: new piece of hardware to your Linux desktop, but generally, this isn't a problem for most desktop users.  : But I guess you knew all of this from personnal experience   regardsc Andrew Harrisonc   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:13:41 GMT*$ From: "Slo" <setverify@loginout.com>& Subject: Time for a community project?2 Message-ID: <9HmCb.10614$aW.3612@news.cpqcorp.net>  E `Something I have always wanted was a way to limit SEARCH to specific  `columns in the data such that:m `a" `$SEARCH/(POS:3,SIZ:5) file string  - The FIND/REPLACE freeware for OpenVMS has it:r  6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/find015/  B It's really packed with features, so why don't we evaluate what is9 missing from it and slowly add the missing stuff, if any?i   FIND   REGULAR_EXPRESSIONS-     VMS pattern style,$         Patterns recognized by FIND:         Pattern    Matches...h         '\'       End of wordF         '\@'       Match a specific column.  The syntax is as follows:                           \@xh                         \@(x)c                         \@rx                         \@r(x)  )                    x is the column numbertL                    r is a relational operator indicating whether the patternL                      should match the specified column, any column less thanL                      the specified column or any  column  greater  than  the8                      specified column. Values for r are:  K                         < = match any column less than the specified column-6                         = = match the specified columnG                         > = match any column greater than the specifiede"                             column  <                    if no value is given for r, = is assumed.   [OT]@ The c.o.v community badly needs a common project to work on, and? there are lots of skills out there to write/adapt/hack anything ? that appears to be missing from OpenVMS... What are the TOP-10, > or TOP-100 tools out there, and where does OpenVMS fall short?  ? With an organized community effort, the gaps can be closed. The ) idea is to always have the answers ready:e  * "Yes, the <insert_tool> exists on OpenVMS" or4 "Yes, it is done in the following manner on OpenVMS"   Sloe :-)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:10:06 +0000 % From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net>-$ Subject: Tracking down a MAC address8 Message-ID: <l9tjtvsr2mvpm7lgmg612riv9dgk3sk9hb@4ax.com>   Greetings, a  : I keep getting the following message in the operator log.   # Message from user INTERnet on SPIKEjE arp: local IP address nnnn.nnnn.nnnn.nnnn  in use by hardware addresso 00-06-5B-EF-4A-A2   F I have checked all the hardware addresses of everything  that could beE causing this without success.  Any ideas on tracking down the culpritu  based on the MAC address alone?   ! $ucx show arp    gives no clues. d   Thanks in advance.     	Dave.     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:32:35 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: Tracking down a MAC address0 Message-ID: <00A2A434.839A0F1C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <l9tjtvsr2mvpm7lgmg612riv9dgk3sk9hb@4ax.com>, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> writes: >Greetings,  >h; >I keep getting the following message in the operator log. C >t$ >Message from user INTERnet on SPIKEF >arp: local IP address nnnn.nnnn.nnnn.nnnn  in use by hardware address >00-06-5B-EF-4A-A2  E The first 3 octets define the vendor code.  This might help you track E down the manufacturer of the cultrpit.  I've looked at the references<F I know of but I can't find 00-06-5B.  00-06-5C is owned by Cisco.  The 5B might also be Cisco.  a   --K http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the best OpenVMS system security solutions.l  hK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            s5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:52:15 +0000 (UTC)c, From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)( Subject: Re: Tracking down a MAC address. Message-ID: <brcv8f$bjd$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   David Gray <police@spamcop.net> writes in article <l9tjtvsr2mvpm7lgmg612riv9dgk3sk9hb@4ax.com> dated Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:10:06 +0000:o; >I keep getting the following message in the operator log. V >+$ >Message from user INTERnet on SPIKEF >arp: local IP address nnnn.nnnn.nnnn.nnnn  in use by hardware address >00-06-5B-EF-4A-A2 >nG >I have checked all the hardware addresses of everything  that could be-F >causing this without success.  Any ideas on tracking down the culprit! >based on the MAC address alone? l >o" >$ucx show arp    gives no clues.    Here are some ideas.  C 1.  The first 3 bytes (00-06-5B) of the MAC address are supposed toHJ designate the manufacturer of the NIC.  There are exceptions, but it could@ be a useful clue.  Sorry I don't know where this info is listed.  L 2.  Temporarily change your IP address, or just shut down that one machine. H Then try telnet, http, snmp, etc. to probe the impersonator.  If you canJ find a port which either accepts or instantly rejects connections, you canJ start unplugging cables from your switch(es) to see where the impersonator
 is coming in.e  F 3.  This could be caused by a bad network architecture (for example, aJ bridge and a router connecting the same 2 subnets) or by a reflective-type8 DoS attack -- not against you but using your IP address.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:04:27 +0000n, From: Ted Allwood <support@leva.leeds.ac.uk>( Subject: re: Tracking down a MAC address3 Message-ID: <00A2A462.D8F8C600.58@leva.leeds.ac.uk>e  G > arp: local IP address nnnn.nnnn.nnnn.nnnn  in use by hardware addressl > 00-06-5B-EF-4A-A2a  E   I have a few 00-06-5B machines on my LAN; three that I can readily y3   identify are all Dell laptops.   Hope that helps.n     Regards, Tedi   --  K Support@leva.leeds.ac.uk                                Tel:  0113 34 32167s+ www.mech-eng.leeds.ac.uk/support/index.htmltG School of Mechanical Engineering,  University of Leeds,  Leeds  LS2 9JTh   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:47:43 +0000W- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>c( Subject: Re: Tracking down a MAC address8 Message-ID: <ngvjtvs01tfumu1tjcc6sr3car7mbvun1j@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:32:35 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:i  a >In article <l9tjtvsr2mvpm7lgmg612riv9dgk3sk9hb@4ax.com>, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> writes:-
 >>Greetings,   >>< >>I keep getting the following message in the operator log.  >>% >>Message from user INTERnet on SPIKEsG >>arp: local IP address nnnn.nnnn.nnnn.nnnn  in use by hardware addresso >>00-06-5B-EF-4A-A2  >nF >The first 3 octets define the vendor code.  This might help you trackF >down the manufacturer of the cultrpit.  I've looked at the referencesG >I know of but I can't find 00-06-5B.  00-06-5C is owned by Cisco.  TheC >5B might also be Cisco.    . Dell, according to http://coffer.com/mac_find/J I presume the error message is referring to two machines trying to use theJ same IP address.  If there is any form of switch on the network, it may beI possible to use SNMP or similar to enquire the contents of its MAC tablese (I'm guessing).m   -- n Equal opportunity annoyer... y   Mail john rather than nospam...m   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:42:31 GMT,% From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>  Subject: Re: Turbochannel SCSI3 Message-ID: <slrnbtjoch.8mi.rivie@Stench.no.domain>L  H In article <3FD8BEF9.DEDD7E78@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers wrote:E > Yep, they exist.  I have a VAXstation 4000-60 with a Q-bus attacheda > through the TURBOchannel..  G Good lord! I used a TURBOchannel QBus adapter in a SandPiper, but neverHH even thought about putting one in a VAX. I did, however, use the 4000/60C to debug the TURBOchannel VMEbus adapter manufactured at a previous B place of employment (in conjunction with a 68000 in the VME cage).  C BTW, I designed the TURBOchannel adapter for the 4000/60 and /90; It@ can't imagine the performance you're getting is stellar. Are youJ perchance using a QBus adapter with a dual-ported memory to provide a home' for DMA data? Or, maybe, not using DMA?   G I still have one of the wirewrap prototypes of the TURBOchannel adaptermH hanging on my wall. I was also quite pissed at AMD for discontinuing theE 29CPL154; it was a *wonderful* microcontroller and I was designing iteF into everything. My personal 4000/96 has the TURBOchannel adapter usedB to wring out the 29CPL154 replacement using a nowhere-near-as-coolF controller by another manufacturer (Altera?); in practical terms, thatG means it has a daughtercard containing a controller that sits where theoB 29CPL154 used to sit. This was required because DEC underestimatedC demand for the TURBOchannel adapter when they made the final buy of 
 29CPL154s.  D Sigh. I don't have *any* 29CPL154s left; all of them that I had wereF swept up by DEC for use in TURBOchannel adapters while we were working+ on the replacement for the microcontroller.n -- e
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net <input type crash>   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2003 08:38:55 -0800' From: visschb@rjrt.com (Bruce Visscher)D2 Subject: X Windows debugger and kde/cygwin/xfree86= Message-ID: <6e290423.0312120838.5c2b2037@posting.google.com>h  < I use kde (3.1.something) on cygwin/xfree86.  Most X WindowsC applications that run on OpenVMS work perfectly fine except for thehC debugger.  For some reason when I try to use the X windows debuggerdF from a DECterm window, the DCL process hangs.  I cannot even control-y= out of this.  I have to close the window or stop the process.e  ? I have noticed that the debugger seems to work with some window E managers but not others.  For example, if I just use a vanilla window D manager like twm then the debugger works fine.  It doesn't work with( ICE or KDE 3 but it did work with KDE 2.  F Does anyone have an idea what could be the problem or what I might tryF to diagnose it?  Granted, I could go back to kde 2 but I'd rather not.   Thanks,u   Bruce Visscher   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.687 ************************