1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 14 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 690       Contents:' RE: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File ' RE: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File ' Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File ' Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File # Re: Alpha Environmental Information  RE: Another search enhancement RE: Another search enhancement9 AS1000 - Video vagaries - or- scroll down if you can..... = Re: AS1000 - Video vagaries - or- scroll down if you can..... E Re: AXPVMS VMS731_UPDATE V2.0 glitch? (PRODUCT INSTALL vs. privilege) + Re: Can I do X-windows on my PC via DECnet?  Re: Digital Divide Re: Digital Divide# Re: Disks for a MicroVAX II system. ! Re: Freeware download corrupt (?)  Re: Full or Partial file spec ?  Re: Full or Partial file spec ?  Re: Full or Partial file spec ?  Re: Full or Partial file spec ?  Re: GV on OpenVMS v7.3-1? F Re: How do I get the equivalent status code when an exception has been Re: Ignorance is BLISS...  Re: Ignorance is BLISS...  Re: Ignorance is BLISS...  Re: OpenVMS org  Re: OpenVMS org  Re: OT: Digital Divide Re: OT: Digital Divide2 Re: Problems loading 7.X on a Alphastation 200/233( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS TCPIP 5.3 VAX on Hobbyist  Re: TCPIP 5.3 VAX on Hobbyist  Re: TCPIP 5.3 VAX on Hobbyist / Re: Time for a community project? (SEARCH/KEY=)  Re: Turbochannel SCSI  Re: Turbochannel SCSI  Re: Turbochannel SCSI   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 18:05:15 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: RE: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File3 Message-ID: <VcV5+KrI7eHD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEIJIKAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: % > Zip it and transfer in binary mode.  >  >  >>-----Original Message-----9 >>From: Chip Smithson [mailto:csmithson@washoehealth.com] + >>Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:23 AM  >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 >>Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File >> >>@ >>Anyone? Having problem still and timing is becoming critical..  A Or to use built-in VMS tools, transfer files as a backup save set @ and then manually set the characteristics of the save set on theA target system.  There are SET FILE/ATTRIBUTE ways to do this, but  I still prefer:   3 	$ BACKUP SYS$LOGIN:LOGIN.COM	REAL_SAVESET.BCK/SAVE C 	$ COPY/OVERLAY SAVESET_FROM_FTP.BCK 'F$SEARCH("REAL_SAVESET.BCK")'    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 18:08:19 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: RE: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File3 Message-ID: <n7wP+h2e8XP5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <VcV5+KrI7eHD@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: a > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEIJIKAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: & >> Zip it and transfer in binary mode. >>   >>   >>>-----Original Message----- : >>>From: Chip Smithson [mailto:csmithson@washoehealth.com], >>>Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:23 AM >>>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com3 >>>Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File  >>>  >>> A >>>Anyone? Having problem still and timing is becoming critical..  > C > Or to use built-in VMS tools, transfer files as a backup save set B > and then manually set the characteristics of the save set on theC > target system.  There are SET FILE/ATTRIBUTE ways to do this, but  > I still prefer:  > 5 > 	$ BACKUP SYS$LOGIN:LOGIN.COM	REAL_SAVESET.BCK/SAVE E > 	$ COPY/OVERLAY SAVESET_FROM_FTP.BCK 'F$SEARCH("REAL_SAVESET.BCK")'   G Of course when you have solved your critical problem you should go back G and investigate your use of FTP, since proper VMS-to-VMS FTP would pass # along the RMS file characteristics.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:50:36 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 0 Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File/ Message-ID: <vtnjvs66q3tve1@corp.supernews.com>   " Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:% : Zip it and transfer in binary mode.   : And make sure you do NOT use "-V" (if you zip on VMS) when you zip them up.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:51:27 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 0 Subject: Re: <CR><LF> Not in FTP Transfered File/ Message-ID: <vtnk1fkam2vb4d@corp.supernews.com>   . Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:C : Or to use built-in VMS tools, transfer files as a backup save set B : and then manually set the characteristics of the save set on theC : target system.  There are SET FILE/ATTRIBUTE ways to do this, but  : I still prefer:   7 FTPing a saveset?  Good luck when you try to unpack it.    Easier to use ZIP.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 17:03:33 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: Alpha Environmental Information3 Message-ID: <0hs3Wmqcggro@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <rdeininger-1312031027090001@user-uinj56h.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:I > In article <3fd88c70$0$16774$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>, ) > "Walter Kuhn" <w.kuhn@ksg.co.at> wrote:  >  >>Hello, >>K >>I use the $GETSYI system service with parameter SYI$_THEMAL_VECTOR to get L >>the main board temperature. This works fine on a DS10 (with OpenVMS V7.3).G >>But running the same program on a new DS15 (OpenVMS V7.3-1) , $GETSYI 	 >>returns  >>D >>%SYSTEM-E-NOT_LOADED, system service or exec routine is not loaded >> >>Does anyone know a solution? > F > The later alpha systems use a different firmware mechanism to reportL > environmental information.  The GETSYI method doesn't fit the needs of the8 > new mechanism, and the new systems don't support it.     That sounds backwards.  E _Needs_ come from the customer, expressed in the customer's programs, G that want to get the information.  Firmware is to support the customer,  not vice-versa.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 16:55:16 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: RE: Another search enhancement 3 Message-ID: <kwPZpTU$UAFF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEEMIKAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: F > The search string is an expression.  If you are going to permit suchL > forms, my view is that the correct way is to implement regular expressionsM > in a consistent, extensivlw manner.  After all, you will likely need such a M > parser anyway, (You must already have one?)  Someone suggested using egrep, 5 > I suppose that is OK, but if so, why extend SEARCH?   6 To have it use VMS-style syntax (as Guy has provided).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:23:48 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: RE: Another search enhancement 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEINIKAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- 5 >From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] * >Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 2:55 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: RE: Another search enhancement >  > ? >In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEEMIKAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom ! >Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: G >> The search string is an expression.  If you are going to permit such A >> forms, my view is that the correct way is to implement regular  >expressionsB >> in a consistent, extensivlw manner.  After all, you will likely >need such aA >> parser anyway, (You must already have one?)  Someone suggested 
 >using egrep, 6 >> I suppose that is OK, but if so, why extend SEARCH? > 7 >To have it use VMS-style syntax (as Guy has provided).   K That is fine if you are going to limit yourself to wild cards, but my point K was that there are established mechanisms for expresions more sophisticated I than * or %, granted they may come out of a different environment, but it  willL be needed as part of Posix in any event, and has always been a part of emacs search.      >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 12:41:31 -0800& From: denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny)B Subject: AS1000 - Video vagaries - or- scroll down if you can.....= Message-ID: <2a9d9498.0312131241.3ed84a94@posting.google.com>   @ I have a recently acquired AlphaServer 1000, 4/233, 576mb systemE memory,  running VMS7.3-1 hobbyist. The video card that came with the  box is a CpQ3111.   F I connected a garden-variety SVGA monitor to the CPQ3111. SRM responseF is normal character cell. AFter booting, OPCOM display is normal untilD DECWindows starts up. Thereafter, it appears that the monitor cannot sync to the video stream.   F If I enable the on-motherboard SVGA output, J27=ON, then video sync isC correct and DecWindows works as expected. I can log in and do stuff  with DECWindows.  B If, for example, I ask for a directory of SYS$SYSDEVICE:[*...], itD scrolls in an absurdly slow fashion and takes *weeks* to complete. IB liken it to doing things long ago, on a 300 baud, acoustic coupler modem.   The questions are:  D 1.) does anyone know what kind of monitor I can drive for DECWindows with the CQP3111?   D 2.) Is the motherboard-SVGA output really this clunky?  If what I am. experiencing is not normal, what am I missing?   Thanks   Denny    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:03:42 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)F Subject: Re: AS1000 - Video vagaries - or- scroll down if you can.....0 Message-ID: <O8LCb.536455$Tr4.1466662@attbi_s03>  f In article <2a9d9498.0312131241.3ed84a94@posting.google.com>, denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny) writes:A !I have a recently acquired AlphaServer 1000, 4/233, 576mb system F !memory,  running VMS7.3-1 hobbyist. The video card that came with the !box is a CpQ3111. ! G !I connected a garden-variety SVGA monitor to the CPQ3111. SRM response G !is normal character cell. AFter booting, OPCOM display is normal until E !DECWindows starts up. Thereafter, it appears that the monitor cannot  !sync to the video stream. ! G !If I enable the on-motherboard SVGA output, J27=ON, then video sync is D !correct and DecWindows works as expected. I can log in and do stuff !with DECWindows.  ! C !If, for example, I ask for a directory of SYS$SYSDEVICE:[*...], it E !scrolls in an absurdly slow fashion and takes *weeks* to complete. I C !liken it to doing things long ago, on a 300 baud, acoustic coupler  !modem.  !  !The questions are:  ! E !1.) does anyone know what kind of monitor I can drive for DECWindows  !with the CQP3111? ! E !2.) Is the motherboard-SVGA output really this clunky?  If what I am / !experiencing is not normal, what am I missing?  !   . The Quick-Specs for the AS1000 are located at:  E http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/soc_archives/80167.html   J The specs list the usual DEC monitors as being supported; in general, yourM on-board graphics card will support two resolutions:  640 x 480 x 256 @ 60 Hz / monitors, and 800 x 600 x 256 @ 60 Hz monitors.   G If you're not happy with that (lack of) choice, then there are optional : graphics cards you can install (assuming a free PCI slot):   PB2GA-** (S3 Trio) PBXGA-AA(BA) ZPXp-E1(2)     !Thanks  !  !Denny  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 17:56:39 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) N Subject: Re: AXPVMS VMS731_UPDATE V2.0 glitch? (PRODUCT INSTALL vs. privilege)3 Message-ID: <vMwJcM3ZQoxU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3FDB5BFA.76080132@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  > Wayne Sewell wrote:   . >> >From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>  L >> >LOG_IO privilege is required to run WRITEBOOT, and the installation does >> >not turn it on.  >> >K >> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------  >> >  >> >Execution phase starting ... >> >; >> >The following product will be installed to destination: J >> >    DEC AXPVMS VMS731_UPDATE V2.0          DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON.] >> >J >> >Portion done: 0%...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...70%...80%...90% >> >You lack LOG_IO privilege.  I >> >This of course begs the question of whether turning all privileges on I >> >should be routine when performing PRODUCT INSTALL. I don't think I've " >> >ever needed to do that before.  K My understanding has always been that unlike VMSINSTAL.COM, PRODUCT INSTALL B enables no privileges.  There are security reasons for saying thatG privilege should not be enabled behind the back of the user by software G that is trustworthy.  (And of course, there is no "should" for software  that is not trustworthy.)   K >> >(In case anyone wonders why I didn't use the SYSTEM account, working in G >> >an environment with multiple system managers, we have developed the C >> >practice of using our own accounts for installations, for audit  >> >purposes.)  E That is a good security practice, but it appears you have fallen into E a trap of presuming that your current privileges are adequate.  Since F my default is to run with NETMBX, TMPMBX, SETPRV and OPER, I am in the7 habit of setting all privileges before PRODUCT INSTALL.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:02:29 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>4 Subject: Re: Can I do X-windows on my PC via DECnet?> Message-ID: <V%LCb.71088$C14.12510@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>  L http://h71000.www7.hp.com/pathworks32/ has the latest PC client information.8 According to this, DECnet is available for Windows 2000.     -- Andy Bustamante  remove the ASCII 95s to reply 3 "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote in message 3 news:bragmd$199o3$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de...  > 3 > "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> schreef in bericht 0 > news:3fd706ee$0$29068$636a55ce@news.free.fr...& > > Given the following configuration: > > 	 > > a VAX  > > a PC/XP D > > DECnet and MOTIF on the VAX and Pathworks + a X Client on the PC > > a piece of Ethernet 
 > > no TCP/IP  > > & > > Can I do X-Windows on my PC with a/ > > $ set displ/create/transp=DECnet/node=my_PC  > > ! > > Did someone experienced this?  > >  > > Thanks,  > >  > > D. > >  >  > Didier > K > Pathworks for Windows includes DECnet and LAT for the PC. As I understand G > it, DECnet wil no longer install on W2000 and later versions. It does 7 > install on W95/W98/WME and WindowsNT 4 (all flavors). K > The ReflectionX suite supports DECnet (if installed before). Just run the J > ReflectionX client manager on the PC and you can create a DECterm from aJ > VAX/VMS or AXP/VMS host with the $ set display/create command and then $F > create/terminal or run the window manager to get a logon screen from
 > DECwindows.  >  > Hans >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:27:28 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>  Subject: Re: Digital Divide ; Message-ID: <QCKCb.135541$Eq1.109904@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   5 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3FDADB70.8EA7928C@istop.com... I > BBC aired an interesting forum with participants of the recent UN World  Summit7 > on Information society held this past week in Geneva.  > L > Right now, only 10% of the world's population has access to IT.  And while inJ > the USA, the cost of a PC represents somwhere near 2% of average income, itK > represents a huge proportion of income in other countries, while in other 9 > countries, the average citizen can't afford a computer.   L Before you can get 100% of the worlds population on a PC, you must first getL 100% of the population with power and other basic utilities that we take forL granted.  Even if that average citizen could afford that PC, what would they plug it in to?  F And today you are starting to see the re-sellers that are offering theL "Rent-to-own" purchase of your old computer that you would have thrown away.L I would argue about that 2% if you are looking at blue/white collar workers.L Lets take out the top 90% of the cash that belongs to 10% of the population.G Now lets look for a meaningful statistic.  If you take a family that is L making 20K per year (above or at poverty line?) and they buy a $600 pc (bareI bones + monitor) they are spending 3% of their income.  If you can afford F more, then you usually buy more.  Bigger Hard Drive, CD burner, LargerH monitor, better video card, Second HD... The list goes on.   Now, do youL have an Internet service?  Add another $120/year minimum.  call it $500/year for cable/DSL.  J This is what gets me about people.  They will spend no more than $300 on a4 TV, and then they spend more than that for cable TV.  K Now you are seeing multiple PC's in a home.  I know that I have 4 on my KVM ; switch, and my wife has another one.  How many do you have?   K For the last 10 years or so, you could expect to spend about US $2000 for a L home PC system that was going to do what you wanted.  The price for a usableJ system has dropped in that time to about 1/3 of that price.  If this trendI continues then more and more of the western world will have PC's in their 6 homes and offices. (And so will the rest of teh world)          H > As a result, if companies such as HP (who had a representative in that forum)J > want to expand their market to 100% of the world's population, they will haveH > to start to produce significantly cheaper devices, otherwise they riskD > stagnating once market penetration has stoped rising in developped nations.(Or I > see itself replaced with a low cost asian manufacturer (as has happened  with > Television, telephones etc). > J > Also brewing is the possibility of the UN taking over the responsability ofJ > the internet so that it  would be regulated by international law instead ofJ > some local law. Consider domain management, as well as various laws such asL > anti-spam laws which would be easier to coordinate if it originated from a > central international body.  > I > So ICANN might become a UN body such as ICAO (civil aviation). It isn't  there.K > They are just talking about the possibility of striking a committee which 9 > would spawn a task force to study the issue :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:26:23 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Digital Divide ) Message-ID: <3FDBA018.AD732772@istop.com>    Mike Naime wrote: N > Before you can get 100% of the worlds population on a PC, you must first getN > 100% of the population with power and other basic utilities that we take for > granted.    K Correct.  However, this isn't just for a PC at home thing. I'll give you an K example right here in north america. The Qubec government started a "Wired J villages" program. Where the telcos are not interested in bringing in highM speed service because of low population density, the government will give the + regional municipality funds to get it done.   H At the little village near the family cottage, about 150km north west ofJ Montreal, the regional municipality brought in fiber. As a matter of fact,L that regional municipality is stringing fiber all over its territory, exceptM for St-Jovite and Tremblant where the population is big enough to attract the  attention of the telco.   J Our little village is at the end of a 50km fiber line that also connects 2H other villages along the way. However, because the fiber is owned by theJ regional municipality, it does not terminate into the telco bunker for theM village. It terminates directly into the 2 municipal buildings (the community # centre/library and the fire hall).    N Why ? so that those services can at least get up to day. The fire hall will beI connected to the municipal systems which in turn will be connected to the E 9-1-1 system. When someone calls, information about the property will M automatically get printed at the fire hall before the volunteers even arrive, A and they will have instant access to tons of information as well.   L The community centre now has 2 PC at the disposal of the community, but theyJ alre also used for library management. They now have instant access to theD inventory of a network of libraries and can order books on-line etc.  > Oh, and these guys are lucky, they get 5mbps up and down !!!!!  H This doesn't bring fibre or high speed into the homes. But it does allowH improvements in the services provided by the livrary and fire hall. MoreL importantly, with the fibre strung out to the remote places, it then becomesI much easier to convince the telco to take a few strands and bring them to L their bunker and install a DSLAM which would enable the residents to get DSL service at home.  L Already, Bell (the telco) which wasn't interested in stringing the fibre andN then leasing strands to the municipality has done the reverse:  they are goingK to lease some strands from the municipality over a 25 km distance. The last M 15km to the Central office, I guess are still on copper. (voice and data take " a different road from that point).  K Now, take that into the context of a small village in a developping nation. M People may not have electricity in their homes, but if they bring electricity H and phone (or fibre) to the community centre and more importantly to theN health centre, then the community will benefit greatly. The nurse will be ableM to have much better communications with doctors in the large city and thus be E able to provide better care, and the kids will be able to learn about 9 computers at school or community centre (often the same).   M The western world sees the internet as a form of entertainment, media outlet. M Look a the .com era where Wall Street was under the misguided impression that I companies would eventually become profitable and where AOL, a simple ISP, ; would receive the majority of its revenus from advertising.   N But for developping nations, the "internet" is a way to provide the most basicN services and more importantly, try to jump start the education of the young soJ that they are not computer illiterate, and thus will have a chance to make money later on.   N It doesn't take long for someone who has never had electricity to learn to useL light switches etc. But it does take time to teach someone who has never hadN electricity  how to use a computer, the internet etc. This is why the "digitalK divide" is a problem because the gap between the poor and the rich has just K gotten a hell of a lot wider and something must be done to give those folks : who are not so fortunate some chance at bridging that gap.    H > And today you are starting to see the re-sellers that are offering theN > "Rent-to-own" purchase of your old computer that you would have thrown away.    J Actually, what companies such as Dell and HP should do is to offer to takeJ back used computers and then donate those to developping nations. It wouldL look good from a corporate citizen point of view, and it would also covertlyR shift the environmental problem of the disposal of old machines to far away lands.  L > system has dropped in that time to about 1/3 of that price.  If this trendK > continues then more and more of the western world will have PC's in their  > homes and offices.  N But there will be a hard floor on the price of those machines. The cost of theO monitor is already determining a large factor of the total cost of the machine.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:19:49 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> , Subject: Re: Disks for a MicroVAX II system.2 Message-ID: <3FDB6655.DD585BC@applied-synergy.com>   Nic Clews wrote: >  > Dave Pitts wrote:  > K > > I've got a couple of MicroVAX II systems with questionable disk drives, F > > RD54s I think. Are there any disks on the market today that can be' > > substituted for these older drives?  > F > I'd disagree with Chris's comment about the RD54 being reliable. TheJ > RD51 and RD53 were easily more reliable. I have had to have replaced (FSG > contract) over half the RD54's in systems I've ever come into contact D > with and relatively recently gave assistance to someone inside theA > company with a failed RD54. RF drives and storageworks SCSI are  > infinitely more reliable.   C All I can say is that of the drives I see today (as opposed to when H these drives were new), about 75% of the RD53s are bad, and about 75% of the RD54s are good.   G By this point in their life, the bearings on the RD53s are shot.  (They 1 can be replaced.  Then the drives work OK again.)   E Perhaps I am seeing good RD54s now because the bad ones have all been  culled?   G A hint to keeping RD53s and RD54s working:  If they currently work, try > not to turn them off!  Generally, they fail while spinning up.    @ Another option for MicroVAX II drives is to use a KDA50 and RA7xH drives.  I don't know if the BA23 has enough power for this, though.  It will work in a BA123.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:12:55 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> * Subject: Re: Freeware download corrupt (?)3 Message-ID: <3FDB64B7.25A9E54A@applied-synergy.com>    Mark Berryman wrote: > F > What are we addressing here anyway?  A package that linked correctlyG > against several previous versions of the C RTL now generates a MULDEF I > error against the latest C RTL.  Would it not make sense to add support F > to the linker, either as a switch or an entry in an option file thatI > says "any name conflict between a sharable library and an object module F > is to be silently ignored (except, possibly, in the MAP file)".  TheG > linker then links in the routine that exists in the object module and G > ignores the fact that the sharable library also has an entry point by C > the same name.  Any namespace conflict between sharable libraries & > should, I think, always be reported. > I > Such a switch would normally only be recommended for distribution kits. H >   The package author would build without it the next time (s)he did anG > update to the package and would, hopefully, discover the conflict and F > address it.  Package users, however, would never need to worry aboutD > updates to their system breaking their ability to build a package. > 7 > Does this sound like a reasonable approach to anyone?  >  > Mark Berryman     G Yes, I think it reasonable that a global symbol found in an object file ? (which will actually be present in the final image) should have G precendence over a global symbol found in a shareable image (which will D NOT be present in the final image).  Warnings are usefull, but there! should be a way to turn them off.   G OTOH, I also think that you should be able to use the same options file F for the VAX and Alpha (especially when creating shareable images), but2 the powers that be consider that to be a bad idea.  D As long as these behaviors are controlled by switches, I don't see a problem.  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 11:45:32 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)( Subject: Re: Full or Partial file spec ?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312131145.73dc4840@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FDAB402.82B4DB3B@dizum.com>...  > Bob Koehler wrote:I > >    A wildcard spec may contain * % 0 - or none of these, depending on L > >    what you are trying to wildcard.  The RMS routine SYS$PARSE will tell& > >    you what fields are wildcarded. >  > M > Ok, there seems to be a very violent consensus that I should use sys$parse.  > N > However, looking at the documentation for SYS$PARSE, it is not obvious to meF > how I can find out if the string is a wildcard specification or not. > L > Also of concern to me is the fact that, according the the doc,  SYS$PARSE,H > upon encountering a wildcard specification will automatically allocateM > internal structures that will be used by subsequent SYS$SEARCH, and I don't K > need any of that. It isn't mentioned whether the SYS$PARSE equivalent of  @ > SYNTAX_ONLY bypasses all that preparatory work for SYS$SEARCH. > O > (to re-establish context: I just want to find out if an argument point sto an O > actual file (in which case I process that file) or whether I should present a O > file selection dialogue which would use either the supplied string as default $ > file spec, or some default value.)   How about this?:  E Take the user's input and run it through $SEARCH twice. (I'm assuming ! it works the same as F$SEARCH().)   E If you get a null string both times, then there are no matching files 7 and it doesn't matter whether there were any wildcards.   B If you get two different file-specs, then the input was a wildcard= spec and you can proceed with your "file selection dialogue".   F If you get the same file-spec both times, then there were no wildcardsA in the user input string and you can proceed to process the file.   F Yes, I know, you mentioned above that you want to avoid SYS$SEARCH forE some reason but I do not know that reason and the above will tell you > want you want to know. Maybe you can make it work for you NTL.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:03:21 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>( Subject: Re: Full or Partial file spec ?) Message-ID: <3FDB8CA8.F3CA9771@istop.com>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:G > Take the user's input and run it through $SEARCH twice. (I'm assuming # > it works the same as F$SEARCH().)   I Image start up for X applications is slow enough as it is. The X software K looks through a gazillion directories for various config files whenever you I start an image. I don't want to make matters worse by searching through a N directory (or directories) just for the sake of finding out if there is a * or % in a string.  L If SYS$PARSE cannot tell me if a file spec contains wildcards or not, then ID am not going to insert a big loop and have RMS allocate all sorts ofK structures behind the scenes. Perhaps if I worked for Microsoft, I would be < encouraged to add as much overhead as possible to a program.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:24:36 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ( Subject: Re: Full or Partial file spec ?0 Message-ID: <d_6dnceENdxIJkaiRVn-ig@comcast.com>  H Ok, if $SEARCH / F$SEARCH returns more than one file matching the spec, G then the spec included a wildcard!  IOW, build your menu and, if there  C is only one choice, use that one else present the menu to the user.    JF Mezei wrote:    >Bob Koehler wrote:  >    > G >>   A wildcard spec may contain * % 0 - or none of these, depending on J >>   what you are trying to wildcard.  The RMS routine SYS$PARSE will tell$ >>   you what fields are wildcarded. >>     >> >  > L >Ok, there seems to be a very violent consensus that I should use sys$parse. > M >However, looking at the documentation for SYS$PARSE, it is not obvious to me E >how I can find out if the string is a wildcard specification or not.  > K >Also of concern to me is the fact that, according the the doc,  SYS$PARSE, G >upon encountering a wildcard specification will automatically allocate L >internal structures that will be used by subsequent SYS$SEARCH, and I don'tJ >need any of that. It isn't mentioned whether the SYS$PARSE equivalent of ? >SYNTAX_ONLY bypasses all that preparatory work for SYS$SEARCH.  > N >(to re-establish context: I just want to find out if an argument point sto anN >actual file (in which case I process that file) or whether I should present aN >file selection dialogue which would use either the supplied string as default# >file spec, or some default value.)  >  n >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:35:29 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>( Subject: Re: Full or Partial file spec ?) Message-ID: <3FDBCC5D.D9FDF45D@istop.com>.   "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:p > I > Ok, if $SEARCH / F$SEARCH returns more than one file matching the spec,eH > then the spec included a wildcard!  IOW, build your menu and, if thereE > is only one choice, use that one else present the menu to the user.   N Problem is that *I* don't build a file selection menu. X-windows does that forJ me.  I give it a wildcard specification and tell it to do its business. ItB gets back to me with the selected file. If I give it a single fileM specification, it will still show a file selection menu, allowing the user to  select another file.  G So, if I start off with a full file spec, I don't need to call the fileeM selection widget. Otherwise I call it. All the F$PARSE and $SEARCH is done byS the file selection widget.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:07:51 -0600h@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>" Subject: Re: GV on OpenVMS v7.3-1?6 Message-ID: <3FDB8DB7.C3D1FAB3@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Martin P.J. Zinser" wrote:t >  > Richard L. Dyson wrote:nI > > Has anyone tried to recompile GV on current systems and compilers?  I- > > started-K > > to try on my VMS v7.3-1 with C v6.5-001 but have encountered errors and 6 > > was hoping someone else has already updated it. :) > >< > > Rick > 
 > Hello Rick,  > 9 > please contact me privately and we shall figure it out.n  G When you do, please provide an object code kit as Hunter does so otherse/ won't have to re-invent the same wheels you do.r   --   David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/3   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 17:33:38 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)lO Subject: Re: How do I get the equivalent status code when an exception has beenf3 Message-ID: <IQTr0xqG2K2S@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <3FD9C40E.586BC65D@0.0>, Stuart Palin <stuart.palin@0.0> writes:A    > > Having an exception handler stops all the traceback messages; > (without any special compilation setting) - but loses the_ > status information."  C LJK/Security uses some Bliss to capture chained error codes to feed2B them back to the master node.  But those situations are a minority* and most exceptions can be handled in Ada.  9 > (Also, is there a definition of exactly which exception = > CLI.DCL_PARSE throws - so the exception handler can be morep  , Yes, see the documentation of CLI$DCL_PARSE.  < > precisely written.  At the moment we embed the call in its< > own declaration block so that we can be confident that any& > exception must be from the parsing.)  ? That is a good practice anyway, but knowing specifically allows  you to do better:D   >  > Code snippet:M >  >    declare: >       -- local block to limit scope of exception handler  4 Here is where you might use pragma IMPORT_EXCEPTION.  
 >    begin" >       CLI.DCL_PARSE(Status_Code,% >                     Command_String,a >                     Table);a >    exception  C And then use the imported exception values for the documented codesE in separate "when" clauses.u  > >      when others =>  ?? How do I get the real Status_Code ??	 >    end;S   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 16:28:49 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r" Subject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS...3 Message-ID: <mCR3$BW$vh+W@eisner.encompasserve.org>V  q In article <QfvLmyj8T6Dw@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:0l > In article <sONBb.727$526.4339@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net>, Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> writes: >> Bob Koehler wrote:p >> rg >>> In article <br7l8o$87po$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: I >>>    Yes.  BLISS-11 was a cross-compiler that ran on VAXen and PDP-10s.-D >>>    The BLISS-10 source for BLISS-11 is available on the network. >> aH >> I thought the BLISS-11 stuff was available on the freeware CD, but I E >> don't see it right now. Maybe someone should dig it up and pass itl >> along for V7. > G >    Actually, it mighthave been known as BLISS-16.  Although I do have C >    a copy of it somewhere, I don't know who has the rights to it.   / Bliss 16 was the DEC product targeting PDP-11s.   0 Bliss 11 was the CMU freeware targeting PDP-11s.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:07:21 +0800-, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS...- Message-ID: <87y8tgv8nq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>E  0 fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:  \ > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FD6BD7F.989A4E1@istop.com>...  B >> I may have to learn Bliss in the next month or two, at the veryC >> least to understand what an existing piece of software does so I>F >> can write a new piece in a different language to interface with it.  h& >> What language is Bliss closest to ?  $E >> is there any useful documentation on the documentation CDs (I havenD >> a set dating from 1995 as I recall) ? Or should I expect to spendF >> much time trying to reverse engineer the code to understand how the >> language works ?x  ? > May be someone would write a Bliss for Beginners or Bliss for A > Dummies book :-) May be some well writen White Papers should bet
 > enough ?  @ There is BLISS for the Terminal Stupid on the freeware6 disk. :)  1 > Is there Bliss for Intel ?  Visual Bliss ?  :-).  . Yes, good luck levering it out of hp though :(   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:11:26 +0800<, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS...- Message-ID: <87u144v8gx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:a  l > In article <sONBb.727$526.4339@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net>, Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> writes: >> Bob Koehler wrote:t >> ig >>> In article <br7l8o$87po$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: I >>>    Yes.  BLISS-11 was a cross-compiler that ran on VAXen and PDP-10s.0D >>>    The BLISS-10 source for BLISS-11 is available on the network. >> hH >> I thought the BLISS-11 stuff was available on the freeware CD, but I E >> don't see it right now. Maybe someone should dig it up and pass ito >> along for V7. >tE > Although I am a big fan of Bliss, I do not believe the VMS freewareCC > discs are the place for Bliss-11 (which targets non-VMS systems).E  G Freeware6, the new one that Hoff has just put up, includes the Bliss-11  tarball in the zip file.  G Note that -10 and -11 are CMU BLISS, DEC Common BLISS is -16, -32, -36.   @ BTW, what HAS happened to BLISS-16? Memtec must have a copy from$ RMS maintainance. Who `owns' it now?   -- ,< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.I@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:14:10 +0800e, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS org- Message-ID: <87ptesv8cd.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:a  $ > 'cept that the HP-UX kernel blows.   Packard Hewlet Unix please./   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 05:58:15 +0800a, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS org- Message-ID: <87zndwz8g8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>4  % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:.  E > I do not believe it is all that important to advertise VMS, per se. E > After all, how many ads do you see promoting OS390.  The real issuesD > is the marketing focus of HP.  The key is to promote solutions andD > understand how to translate in to a product matrix.  And, Itanium,F > alpha are NOT products, they are the delivery platforms for the realA > products which are the OS's and the applications adminstered byt > them.   E A minumum of 1, probably 2 or 3, and that is just in Tues Australian!r  E IBM has no problem advertzing and pressenting a unified images acrossnC z, i, p, e and the thing systems. I wonder if they give lessions...    -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 12:14:00 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: OT: Digital Divideb= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0312131214.66881b04@posting.google.com>4  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FDADB70.8EA7928C@istop.com>...qP > BBC aired an interesting forum with participants of the recent UN World Summit7 > on Information society held this past week in Geneva.  > O > Right now, only 10% of the world's population has access to IT.  And while inlM > the USA, the cost of a PC represents somwhere near 2% of average income, itrK > represents a huge proportion of income in other countries, while in otherr9 > countries, the average citizen can't afford a computer.O > O > As a result, if companies such as HP (who had a representative in that forum)oO > want to expand their market to 100% of the world's population, they will haveSH > to start to produce significantly cheaper devices, otherwise they riskP > stagnating once market penetration has stoped rising in developped nations.(OrN > see itself replaced with a low cost asian manufacturer (as has happened with > Television, telephones etc). > M > Also brewing is the possibility of the UN taking over the responsability ofyM > the internet so that it  would be regulated by international law instead ofuM > some local law. Consider domain management, as well as various laws such asqL > anti-spam laws which would be easier to coordinate if it originated from a > central international body.o > P > So ICANN might become a UN body such as ICAO (civil aviation). It isn't there.K > They are just talking about the possibility of striking a committee whicha9 > would spawn a task force to study the issue :-) :-) :-)s   We are doing our job ! a    ' "Brazil champions free Internet access"-  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/34358.html_  ? But we dont develop hardware. We have a good software industry._< It's time to rethink the PC.  If I wanted to buy a new PC in5 Brazil I will pay for several months with high taxes.h? May be an alternative platform, like the idea of NetPC's etc... C I tought in Amiga (they're freezed), but they have a cheap computer7H which can use an internet browser, run small programs, and it's enough. A The great population dont need workstations at home. They need to C type a text, make some calculs (even don't need a spreadsheet), useF2 the browser for Internet Banking - I use  a lot !   1 The great jump for me will be the Open Processor.   @ May be the in development countries like Brazil, India and China; can join efforts to develop an Open Architecture Processor.   6 We have techincal agreements for Satellites with China= and Software with India... we are in the right way I think ! t   Regardst
 Fabio Cardoso>   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:11:22 GMTE# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>D Subject: Re: OT: Digital Divide J Message-ID: <u0NCb.12888$%TO.3791@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:7 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message ' > news:<3FDADB70.8EA7928C@istop.com>... D >> BBC aired an interesting forum with participants of the recent UNE >> World Summit on Information society held this past week in Geneva.i >>G >> Right now, only 10% of the world's population has access to IT.  AndyD >> while in the USA, the cost of a PC represents somwhere near 2% ofE >> average income, it represents a huge proportion of income in otherrA >> countries, while in other countries, the average citizen can'tI >> afford a computer.h >>D >> As a result, if companies such as HP (who had a representative inA >> that forum) want to expand their market to 100% of the world'snG >> population, they will have to start to produce significantly cheaperiF >> devices, otherwise they risk stagnating once market penetration hasE >> stoped rising in developped nations.(Or see itself replaced with af@ >> low cost asian manufacturer (as has happened with Television, >> telephones etc).p >>< >> Also brewing is the possibility of the UN taking over theC >> responsability of the internet so that it  would be regulated bya? >> international law instead of some local law. Consider domainmC >> management, as well as various laws such as anti-spam laws whichr@ >> would be easier to coordinate if it originated from a central >> international body. >>D >> So ICANN might become a UN body such as ICAO (civil aviation). ItG >> isn't there. They are just talking about the possibility of strikingtD >> a committee which would spawn a task force to study the issue :-)
 >> :-) :-) >D > We are doing our job ! >s >e) > "Brazil champions free Internet access"a >e3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/34358.htmlo > A > But we dont develop hardware. We have a good software industry. > > It's time to rethink the PC.  If I wanted to buy a new PC in7 > Brazil I will pay for several months with high taxes. A > May be an alternative platform, like the idea of NetPC's etc...eE > I tought in Amiga (they're freezed), but they have a cheap computeriA > which can use an internet browser, run small programs, and it'sC	 > enough.rC > The great population dont need workstations at home. They need tosE > type a text, make some calculs (even don't need a spreadsheet), use 3 > the browser for Internet Banking - I use  a lot !e >e3 > The great jump for me will be the Open Processor.  >aB > May be the in development countries like Brazil, India and China= > can join efforts to develop an Open Architecture Processor.r    L Why don't they just start by using a proven design......Alpha? If HP doesn'tK want it and doesn't think it can 'keep up', then 'donate' it to the Chinese , or India. I'm sure they can make a go of it.  J Billions and billions served. And it wouldn't come out of HP's hide - onlyF Intel's. You see, Intel & HP are both certain that the 64-bit industryG standard is Itanic, so the fact that the Chinese and Indians could havea% Alpha shouldn't bother them one iota.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:39:10 -0500o3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>T; Subject: Re: Problems loading 7.X on a Alphastation 200/233h0 Message-ID: <SdadnSOgldNNwUaiRVn-hQ@comcast.com>  F I can assure you that VMS V7.2-1 will install and run just fine on an G Alphastation 200/233.  64MB of memory seems a little slim; I'm running 09 192MB in mine.  I'd suggest adding at least another 32MB.% The disk is a SEAGATE ST32171N.   ( ALPHA5_$ say f$getsyi("CONSOLE_VERSION") V7.0-9         t ALPHA5_$( ALPHA5_$ say f$getsyi("palcode_VERSION") 5.56  G I think it's probably something specific to your machine, installation f CD, or installation procedure.   Phillip D. Williams wrote:   >HelloK >When trying to install VMS 7.X on a Alphastation 200/233 with 64megs and ae >RZ29 I get the following  >error1 >SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation reason mask=04l1 >Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.I. >This happens  with  VMS 7.1, 7.2-1 and 7.3-1.8 >Before the system starts the console the cdrom (dka500)- >will go into a mount verify. I am at a lose.r >tks >phillip >n >f >    >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:47:50 GMTo% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>l1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSe: Message-ID: <G1KCb.135533$Eq1.72244@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  , John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageA news:IupCb.2311$NNW1.2263@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...e > Keith Parris wrote:.E > > Singapore Exchange (SGX) has chosen exchange software from the OMnC > > Group and will run it on OpenVMS in a disaster-tolerant cluster 6 > > configuration.  This is a new customer to OpenVMS. > >o > >  >0L http://info.sgx.com/webnewscentre.nsf/b9c790d0d5ba5d2548256dcf0049ce28/48256* > 838002f07b148256dfa00321bde?OpenDocument >oI > OM Group has been very successful in selling their app on VMS. The onlyeF > problem is...once you get beyond the 120 or so stock/options/futuresK > exchanges worldwide that matter, what other apps are out there that bringaL > VMS along for the ride? Not a lot.    And HP makes much 'noise' about appsB > selling VMS so that's why they don't try to sell VMS themselves.  I Have you been to a hospital lately???  According to HP sales/engineering.aJ After all of the government systems (#1 purchaser), Healthcare (Hospitals)- is the largest user of VMS systems in the US.e  K You are right about there not being a LOT of apps for this.  There are 3 or J 4 apps to choose from.  But that is significantly more than 120 locations.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:37:14 +0100r9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>i1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSt' Message-ID: <3FDB949A.E85BE461@aaa.com>a   JF Mezei wrote:I >  > Keith Parris wrote:  > >aE > > Singapore Exchange (SGX) has chosen exchange software from the OMuC > > Group and will run it on OpenVMS in a disaster-tolerant clusterk6 > > configuration.  This is a new customer to OpenVMS. > D > Did HP negotiate a nice discount in exchange for bragging rights ?  A I'd say that OM has one of the most advanced exchange systems outDE there, and VMS just comes with it (with good reasons, of course). WhynD would HP give any discount on this ? It's OM software that sells the system for HP.   > Or does HPN > have every intention to remain silent on this one and hide the fact that VMS > runs another exchange ?m  H It *OM's systems* that "runs" another exchange, that system just happensF to be running on VMS (again, for good reasons...) And it's not a *few*( exchanges out there running OM's systes.   > K > Is this going to be a huge meat and potatoes system running the exchange,n  @ And what is that exactly ? It's a system to perform whatever has3 to be done in an exchange system to get deals done.h  F > just a side order running some less visible aspect of the exchange ?  B "Visible" ? Do you expect that on every stock deal, there would be: a note saying "this stock was bought using a VMS system" ?  = Why don't you just calm down and try to learn something abouti= stock exchange systems before painting everything in blank...i       Regardse	 Jan-Erik.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:26:33 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSpJ Message-ID: <JeNCb.13065$%TO.8907@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Mike Naime wrote:s. > John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageC > news:IupCb.2311$NNW1.2263@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...d >> Keith Parris wrote:E >>> Singapore Exchange (SGX) has chosen exchange software from the OM C >>> Group and will run it on OpenVMS in a disaster-tolerant cluster 6 >>> configuration.  This is a new customer to OpenVMS. >>>  >>>h >> >nL http://info.sgx.com/webnewscentre.nsf/b9c790d0d5ba5d2548256dcf0049ce28/48256+ >> 838002f07b148256dfa00321bde?OpenDocuments >>E >> OM Group has been very successful in selling their app on VMS. The 6 >> only problem is...once you get beyond the 120 or soD >> stock/options/futures exchanges worldwide that matter, what otherC >> apps are out there that bring VMS along for the ride? Not a lot.yF >> And HP makes much 'noise' about apps selling VMS so that's why they$ >> don't try to sell VMS themselves. >u8 > Have you been to a hospital lately???  According to HP< > sales/engineering. After all of the government systems (#1G > purchaser), Healthcare (Hospitals) is the largest user of VMS systemsl > in the US. >iD > You are right about there not being a LOT of apps for this.  ThereF > are 3 or 4 apps to choose from.  But that is significantly more than > 120 locations.  F Perhaps I wasn't clear or perhaps I took it for granted that people inG c.o.v. had a bit of understanding about the financial services markets.t  ? Exchanges fall into two broad categories for their core tradingo
 applications:  1) those that use NSK or VMS@ 2) those that use OS390 or Solaris (minor other players as well)  I Group 1 is the larger of the two groups; sometimes you will find a bit of @ Group 2 vendors mixed in with Group 1 at an individual exchange.  F Once you get past the core trading applications, you then get into theH myriad of other systems at exchanges, some of which are trade processingL related, and others which are mainstream applications just as you would find/ at any other corporation - HR, payroll, etc....i  F When you get past the exchanges to the broker who originally took yourK order; to custodian applications (think about the bank/trust that holds the K shares for the pension fund); to the insurance  company that sells you life H or health or home/car insurance; or to the retail bank that you go to toJ cash your paycheck or open that first savings account for little Suzy, one finds precious little VMS.  J Yes there still are the occasional VMS application vendor in those spaces,E but they are few and far between as compared to Solaris, or IBM-basedrL vendors. Even HP-UX vendors are pretty well shut-out too. Yes there are someL high-profile users out there still running VMS for core business functions -K GSCC, Reuters, Computershare and some others, but the bulk of organizationsh like those don't use VMS.f    L Coming back to your healthcare observation - I know about Cerner, et al. butL let's be very clear when you say "Healthcare (Hospitals) is the largest userF of VMS systems in the US". I won't dispute that, but does VMS have theK largest market share in the healthcare/hospital space? That's what would bes- a more interesting question to have answered.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:32:58 -0500d* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSo) Message-ID: <3FDBAFAF.A211E699@istop.com>i   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:yG > there, and VMS just comes with it (with good reasons, of course). Why F > would HP give any discount on this ? It's OM software that sells the > system for HP.  N Most computer manufacturers have made arrangements with a customer to use thatM customer as a very public showcase of their products/technology. If HP wantedeM to market VMS, they would have taken steps with the Singapore exchange to get * permission to showcase that installation.     J > It *OM's systems* that "runs" another exchange, that system just happens4 > to be running on VMS (again, for good reasons...)   J OM systems does the sale. If HP were interested, HP would make damned sureL that it was involved and got as much publicity out of that sale as possible.N If HP really wanted VMS to succeed, they would take every possible opportunity; to brag about new sales, increaseing custoemr base etc etc.   D > "Visible" ? Do you expect that on every stock deal, there would be< > a note saying "this stock was bought using a VMS system" ?  M Be serious. NYSE has some VMS in the back room, yet you never hear about it. eA NASDAQ runs Tandem  in the front end and you often hear about it.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 18:38:12 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312131838.79d395b8@posting.google.com>f   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<brcsr1$lnh$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...c > Mike Rechtman wrote: > > Keith Parris wrote:i > > F > >> Singapore Exchange (SGX) has chosen exchange software from the OMD > >> Group and will run it on OpenVMS in a disaster-tolerant cluster7 > >> configuration.  This is a new customer to OpenVMS.r > >>z > >> http://info.sgx.com/webnewscentre.nsf/b9c790d0d5ba5d2548256dcf0049ce28/48256838002f07b148256dfa00321bde?OpenDocument  > >> > >  > > O > > Possibly, but I could find no mention of VMS (Open or other) on the page...6 > >  > > Mike > A > I suspect Keith thinks that Click XP only runs on OpenVMS which-1 > isn't true. It is supported on Solaris as well.5 > 	 > regards  > Andrew Harrisons  ? but they need a system that stays up 99.9999 and doesn't belong ! to the cert of the month club ...i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:27:29 -0600 % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>y1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSn: Message-ID: <eMQCb.150568$M02.96171@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  , John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:JeNCb.13065$%TO.8907@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > Mike Naime wrote:e0 > > John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE > > news:IupCb.2311$NNW1.2263@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  > >> Keith Parris wrote:G > >>> Singapore Exchange (SGX) has chosen exchange software from the OM E > >>> Group and will run it on OpenVMS in a disaster-tolerant clustere8 > >>> configuration.  This is a new customer to OpenVMS. > >>
 <BIG SNIP> >eJ > Coming back to your healthcare observation - I know about Cerner, et al. but I > let's be very clear when you say "Healthcare (Hospitals) is the largest  userH > of VMS systems in the US". I won't dispute that, but does VMS have theJ > largest market share in the healthcare/hospital space? That's what would be/ > a more interesting question to have answered.k >.  I I'm not sure about the answer to that.  You would have to poll all of ther+ existing hospitals to answer that question.   J England is in the process of automating.  They sent our RFP's about a year ago.) http://www.e-health-insider.com/index.cfmo" http://msn.vnunet.com/News/1151473& http://msn.vnunet.com/specials/1139129I Depending on how contracts go...  It could mean 500+ GS1280's running theo healthcare system in England. < If this works for England, I'm sure that others will follow.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:17:03 GMTa0 From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com>" Subject: TCPIP 5.3 VAX on Hobbyist6 Message-ID: <jSOCb.7773$gk1.6237@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>  J Anyone know when TCPIP 5.3 might appear on the VAX Hobbyist CD? I'd reallyG like to try out the IMAP server. The freeware one with the PINE port isnI quite old, and I'm afraid it might have some nasty vulnerabilities. Plus, - I'm a schmuck and couldn't get it to work :-/y   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:47:55 -0700g% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>t& Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 VAX on HobbyistB Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031213184734.01fccbf0@raptor.psccos.com>  D ..or, you could get a hobbyist license for MultiNet or TCPware, both of which have an IMAP server.   / At 06:17 PM 12/13/2003, Stephen Eickhoff wrote:uK >Anyone know when TCPIP 5.3 might appear on the VAX Hobbyist CD? I'd reallykH >like to try out the IMAP server. The freeware one with the PINE port isJ >quite old, and I'm afraid it might have some nasty vulnerabilities. Plus,. >I'm a schmuck and couldn't get it to work :-/   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:51:24 -0500a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>& Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.3 VAX on Hobbyist) Message-ID: <3FDBC20B.D69DEBD8@istop.com>e   Stephen Eickhoff wrote:eL > Anyone know when TCPIP 5.3 might appear on the VAX Hobbyist CD? I'd reallyI > like to try out the IMAP server. The freeware one with the PINE port is K > quite old, and I'm afraid it might have some nasty vulnerabilities. Plus,h/ > I'm a schmuck and couldn't get it to work :-/o  K Not sure. But if you contact me privately, I might be able to help you makew! TCPIP appear on your own machine.   L Note that IMAP server works on the base 5.3, but crashes on startup of up ifK you patch 5.3 with the ECOs. Also, SLIP crashes your system when you enable, the interface.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Dec 2003 17:46:20 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a8 Subject: Re: Time for a community project? (SEARCH/KEY=)3 Message-ID: <Uc2ZO+jhhvRP@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  Y In article <9HmCb.10614$aW.3612@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Slo" <setverify@loginout.com> writes:oG > `Something I have always wanted was a way to limit SEARCH to specific8! > `columns in the data such that:. > `m$ > `$SEARCH/(POS:3,SIZ:5) file string > / > The FIND/REPLACE freeware for OpenVMS has it:w > 8 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/find015/  G But as someone pointed out in another thread, the SEARCH command has iti also, with the /KEY= qualifier.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:29:40 -0600h/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>o Subject: Re: Turbochannel SCSI2 Message-ID: <3FDB68A4.24944DF@applied-synergy.com>   Roger Ivie wrote:c > J > In article <3FD8BEF9.DEDD7E78@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers wrote:G > > Yep, they exist.  I have a VAXstation 4000-60 with a Q-bus attachede > > through the TURBOchannel.n > I > Good lord! I used a TURBOchannel QBus adapter in a SandPiper, but never-J > even thought about putting one in a VAX. I did, however, use the 4000/60E > to debug the TURBOchannel VMEbus adapter manufactured at a previouscD > place of employment (in conjunction with a 68000 in the VME cage). > E > BTW, I designed the TURBOchannel adapter for the 4000/60 and /90; InB > can't imagine the performance you're getting is stellar. Are youL > perchance using a QBus adapter with a dual-ported memory to provide a home) > for DMA data? Or, maybe, not using DMA?w  ? No DMA.  The data rates needed for this project are measured in>D KB/sec/board.  The individual boards are smart, so we just pump data9 into their buffers and they process it when they need it.   H IIRC, we did some tests and figured we could get about 500KB/sec throughC the TC/Q-bus combination.  This would have let us support about 100o	 boards.  oE (We actually layed out the specs for such a system, using fiber opticnE Q-bus repeaters to run multiple Q-bus chassis.  I think it even mightc have worked.  <grin>)n  F With the extra CPU power of the VS4000-60 over the MVII, this solution worked very well for us.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------t$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:33:47 -0500(3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>d Subject: Re: Turbochannel SCSI0 Message-ID: <a7SdnTg0NcJxMkaiRVn-vA@comcast.com>  G I would be quite surprised if there were a 100Mbit ethernet option for -H these boxes.  Their heyday was around 1994-95 and I don't think 100Mbit I was out of the laboratory at that point.  Turbochannel was a proprietary gC dead end!  I don't think anybody but DEC ever used it or developed   Turbochannel hardware. S     Tom Linden wrote:   5 >Was there a 100Mbit ethernet option for these boxes?w >c >    >, >>-----Original Message-----6 >>From: Jeff Goodwin [mailto:jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com]+ >>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:12 AM  >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComX  >>Subject: Re: Turbochannel SCSI >> >>J >>We attempted to get a PMAZB-AA TurboChannel Fast SCSI Dual Controller toM >>work in a 4000-60 a couple years ago.  Turned out it wasn't supported.  ThesL >>vendor sent us a TurboChannel Fast SCSI Single Controller as a replacement6 >>and that worked fine.  I believe it was the PMAZ-AB. >>E >>We also had to get a DWCTX-BX TurboChannel adaptor for the 4000-60.E >>A >>Although I don't have a Systems & Options catalog that contains- >>the 4000-90,D >>the 4000-60 and 4000-96 both list support for the DWCTX-BX/PMAZ-AB9 >>combination.  I suspect it is supported in the 4000-90.. >> >>-Jeff- >> >>3 >>"Barry" <berrys2552@comcast.net> wrote in message., >>news:umwBb.350121$275.1152148@attbi_s53... >>     >>E >>>Are there any problems using a PMAZ Turbochannel SCSI Adaptor in a , >>>VAXstation 4000-90 running OpenVMS 7.1??? >>>0 >>>Barry Streets >>>The Echo Group  >>>bstreets@echoman.com  >>>l >>> 	 >>>        >>>  >>--- ( >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B >>Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003 >> >>     >> >---' >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.c; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).lA >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003  >- >  - >-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:11:12 GMTm% From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>: Subject: Re: Turbochannel SCSI3 Message-ID: <slrnbtnvo0.geb.rivie@Stench.no.domain>T  J In article <a7SdnTg0NcJxMkaiRVn-vA@comcast.com>, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:I > I would be quite surprised if there were a 100Mbit ethernet option for tJ > these boxes.  Their heyday was around 1994-95 and I don't think 100Mbit K > was out of the laboratory at that point.  Turbochannel was a proprietary aE > dead end!  I don't think anybody but DEC ever used it or developed t > Turbochannel hardware. i  G There were 3rd party TURBOchannel interfaces. Kubota made a system, buti@ it may have been simply a re-badged DEC system; I never saw one. -- t
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net <input type crash>   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.690 ************************