1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 15 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 693       Contents: Alpha Server Road Map  Re: Alpha Server Road Map  Re: Digital Divide Re: Digital Divide# Re: Disks for a MicroVAX II system. ? Do language compilers need to be reinstalled for OpenVMS V7.3-2  Domain problems at HP ? ! Re: Freeware download corrupt (?)  Re: Full or Partial file spec ?  Re: Full or Partial file spec ?  Re: HelpA Re: How do I get the equivalent status (DEC ADA IMPORT_EXCEPTION) A Re: How do I get the equivalent status (DEC ADA IMPORT_EXCEPTION) F Re: How do I get the equivalent status code when an exception has been Re: Ignorance is BLISS... . Invoking Shell Script through VAX/VMS machine.2 Re: Invoking Shell Script through VAX/VMS machine.2 Re: Invoking Shell Script through VAX/VMS machine.8 Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid! Need Help Porting C code to VMS 3 Re: OpenVMS, CSWS (apache), PHP and ... Rdb ???!!!! ! Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation ! Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation ! Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation ! Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation ! Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation  Re: Ping: VAXman Re: question on SMTP queues  Re: question on SMTP queues ( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS Software Antiword 0.35 is out 9 Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday  Re: Turbochannel SCSI , Re: VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:04:47 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Alpha Server Road Map1 Message-ID: <03121510044729@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   I I have a vendor that has decided to stop support of their Payroll Package M on VMS becuase they indicated that HP would stop supporting our (GS160 Alpha) H hardware platform in 2005.  They indicated that was the main reason they* weren't supporting this platform any more.  K My thought is that VMS is VMS on VAX, on Alpha, and Itanium.  Granted a bit  feauture sparce on VAX...   F Where can I find the Alpha/VMS roadmap?  Yes I know Itanium is the newM direction however I would like to read up on the support of the Alpha and get E an insight into what type of rear-end valve this vendor has with VMS.   I I would tend to believe that come 2005 Alpha will still be supported as a K hardware platform and O/S - with the understanding of no new development of  course - similiar to the VAX.      Links?  
 Any comments?        J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:11:57 -0500 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> " Subject: Re: Alpha Server Road MapA Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031215111000.08031ec0@mail.patmedia.net>   + At 11:04 AM 12/15/2003, John Brandon wrote: G >Where can I find the Alpha/VMS roadmap?  Yes I know Itanium is the new N >direction however I would like to read up on the support of the Alpha and getF >an insight into what type of rear-end valve this vendor has with VMS. > J >I would tend to believe that come 2005 Alpha will still be supported as aL >hardware platform and O/S - with the understanding of no new development of >course - similiar to the VAX.   The roadmap is at L <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm>. Show them L slide #10 "HP AlphaServer evolution Sales at least until 2006, with support  at least until 2011".   
 Ken Robinson     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:55:59 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Digital Divide ) Message-ID: <3FDD5ADA.6ACC9DBE@istop.com>    Michael Austin wrote: G > And the bigger problem is that most of those people need other skills B > long before they can learn to use a computer -- like reading andI > writing.  Once that is done then and only then can they even comprehend 2 > what the computer might be able to do for them.     N You would be surprised. I have personally been in a tribal village in Fiji. NoN electricity, no running water. Bamboo huts. But half the tribe spoke and wroteJ 3 languages (Fijian, English and Arabic - half the tribe was muslim). SomeI very large industrialised nations might learn a lot when you consider the $ limited means the tribal school had.  J There are a lot of similar success stories around the world, but alas, theH media tend to concentrate on the failures and thus we have the idea that= educating the developing nations is a next to imossible task.   L When the students are curious and eager to learn, they learn a lot. When theN students don't see the point of school, and thing they already know everythingI there is to know, then you have failures. This applies also to developped : nations where some schools have high shool drop-out rates.    J As an aside, if you really want to know what it is to be illiterate, go toF Taiwan and leave the big cities. When you get to road which forks in 3L possible directions (and you get there because you made a wrong turn 2 hoursE before, so you have no way of knowing where on a map you are) and all E directions have road signs that look chinese to you (because they are K chinese), you'll get a good idea how difficult it would be for someone in a 6 developped nation to function without ability to read.  F And this leads to another problem with the "digital divide". There areN relatively few english speaking nations in the world. For the remainder, it isB an additional hurdle because so much of the information technologyU documentation is in english and so much of the content on the internet is in english.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:00:06 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Digital Divide ) Message-ID: <3FDD77E8.2ED391FD@istop.com>   + re: generating electricity and environment.   N One does not expect a developing nation to provide air conditioned homes with O all the "conveniences" of a north american suburban home into a tribal village.   M Putting computers in community centres for small towns/villages won't be such   a huge drain on the environment.  I As a matter of fact, you could put in large PDAs which could run on solar J power. (PSION had some  with built in browser, world processor spreadsheetK etc) which ran on 2 AA's with large keyboard and screen (basically, the pDA 4 engine onto a bigger hardware of the same features).    K One of the biggest "inventions" in the previous decade was the hand cranked I radios which have been distributed to developping nations. (spring loaded   small generator to power radio).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:43:45 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>, Subject: Re: Disks for a MicroVAX II system., Message-ID: <brk393$11fa@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  D "Michael Moroney" <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote in message" news:brd9kc$2bf$2@pcls4.std.com...  H > A microvax II, of course doesn't even have SCSI boot firmware, so thisK > does not apply.  (SCSI Qbus adapters present the scsi drives as DU disks, K > not SCSI DK disks, which is how you can boot from them, there is no limit I > as long as the boards themselves don't restrict themselves to the small  > SCSI command packets)   < Assuming the system is running an up to date version of VMS.1 You can still hit the 8GB limit on any disk type.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:50:11 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.comH Subject: Do language compilers need to be reinstalled for OpenVMS V7.3-2Q Message-ID: <OFB2D584C6.9F2AE391-ON85256DFD.00615197-85256DFD.006252E0@metso.com>   D I note that there is a variant of Compaq BASIC, V1.5A, on the latest distribution, which says:   D          Compaq BASIC for OpenVMS Alpha Systems is a native compilerD           that runs on and generates code for OpenVMS Alpha systems.I           Version V1.5A corrects a problem with the installation of Alpha H           BASIC on OpenVMS Alpha systems Version 7.3-2. The installationJ           fails if the system definitions library (STARLET) is asked to beG           generated. If it is not requested (which is the default), the )           installation proceeds normally.   J This causes me to ask if any (or all) of the Language Compilers need to be reinstalled C after the V7.3-2 Upgrade (or is this kit simply for new post V7.3-2  installations).   @ Any information on why this should or should not be done will be appreciated.   -Norm    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:29:04 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Domain problems at HP ?2 Message-ID: <Q3nDb.83294$dt3.39007@news.chello.at>  @ I wanted to connect to the ITRC and had bad luck this afternoon.. And now hours later it is still not reachable.A Can anyone confirm (or better fix ;-) the domain problems at HP ?   # 	http://europe.support.itrc.hp.com/    TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:55:46 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>* Subject: Re: Freeware download corrupt (?)T Message-ID: <craigberry-63F322.07554615122003@dsl081-159-101.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net>  ' In article <3fd9c283$1@cpns1.saic.com>, 2  Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> wrote:    G > What are we addressing here anyway?  A package that linked correctly  H > against several previous versions of the C RTL now generates a MULDEF J > error against the latest C RTL.  Would it not make sense to add support G > to the linker, either as a switch or an entry in an option file that  J > says "any name conflict between a sharable library and an object module G > is to be silently ignored (except, possibly, in the MAP file)".  The  H > linker then links in the routine that exists in the object module and H > ignores the fact that the sharable library also has an entry point by D > the same name.  Any namespace conflict between sharable libraries & > should, I think, always be reported.  H Hmm.  Is it possible to do LINK/SELECTIVE_SEARCH on system libraries so I that the linker doesn't look at the, for example, CRTL, for a particular  " symbol if it has already found it?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:16:10 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>( Subject: Re: Full or Partial file spec ?) Message-ID: <3FDD97C0.FD8D8525@istop.com>   - I want to thank all of those who contributed.   L Yep, F$PARSE does the trick. The big goodie is hidden in the NAM$L_FNB fieldL which contains tons of interesting bits. Thanks to the person who pointed me to that field.  ( One must check for 2 bits in this field:  + NAM$M_WILDCARD as well as NAM$M_SEARCH_LIST   < so, if I look for SYS$MANAGER:*.COM , both bits will be set.  N However, there is a problem: If I look for SYS$MANAGER:LOGIN.COM, it will tellM me that a searchlist was found even though that file specification would only A find one file. So I guess I cannot really base my decision on the ; NAM$M_SEARCH_LIST bit and should use only the WILDCARD one.   I Also, if I specify "SYS$MANAGER:", F$PARSE doesn't tell me that this is a J wildcard. So in my code, i'll have to check for 0 length items and add theC wildcarding manually. But that is OK. I'll probably put code to add M intelligent wildcarding (for instance, if SYS$HELP: is specified, I would add 3 *.HLB, but SYS$LIBRARY would probably go for *.TLB        F There are cool fields in NAM$L_FNB as well, for instance the number ofM subdirectories in the file spec, whether it used a rooted logical or not, and ; whether individual parts were explicitely specified or not.   N There is also a bit that specified whether a higher version exists, as well as, a bit to indicate if a lower version exists.  G However, the F$PARSE does in fact allocate memory. This can be fixed by L calling F$PARSE again with certain fields set to 0 and the FOB set to SYNCHKW (syntax check). I have tested this in an infinite loop and it really made a difference.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2003 09:08:53 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org( Subject: Re: Full or Partial file spec ?3 Message-ID: <LSVEe55aBoF3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3FDD97C0.FD8D8525@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:/ > I want to thank all of those who contributed.  > N > Yep, F$PARSE does the trick. The big goodie is hidden in the NAM$L_FNB fieldN > which contains tons of interesting bits. Thanks to the person who pointed me > to that field. > * > One must check for 2 bits in this field: > - > NAM$M_WILDCARD as well as NAM$M_SEARCH_LIST  > > > so, if I look for SYS$MANAGER:*.COM , both bits will be set. > P > However, there is a problem: If I look for SYS$MANAGER:LOGIN.COM, it will tellO > me that a searchlist was found even though that file specification would only C > find one file. So I guess I cannot really base my decision on the = > NAM$M_SEARCH_LIST bit and should use only the WILDCARD one.   # Yes.  I agree with that assessment.   K > Also, if I specify "SYS$MANAGER:", F$PARSE doesn't tell me that this is a  > wildcard.   B Sure it will.  You specify "SYS$MANAGER:" (input by the user) withF a default file name of "*.COM" (hardcoded into the code) and SYS$PARSE# should identify this as a wildcard.   A If you specify "SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM" (input by the user) with G a default file name of "*.COM" (hardcoded into the code) then SYS$PARSE - should identify this as not being a wildcard.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2003 07:51:05 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Help 3 Message-ID: <4$YfHrKKRxaG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <brhn9f$4b9$1@ls219.htnet.hr>, "Adainen" <mario.adanic@kr.htnet.hr> writes:K >     Can someone tell me how can I make two copies of output job logs. The M > thing shud be programmedin JCL job header so I can later scan this logs for : > some interesting information (zOS 390 with SAS programs) > Thanks in advance!  3    If you're working in JCL, you want MVS, not VMS.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2003 08:40:18 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) J Subject: Re: How do I get the equivalent status (DEC ADA IMPORT_EXCEPTION)3 Message-ID: <mW4MdL7XgAW7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <3FDD82A9.BBBE62CC@0.0>, Stuart Palin <stuart.palin@0.0> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>  N >> In article <3FD9C40E.586BC65D@0.0>, Stuart Palin <stuart.palin@0.0> writes: > ... > > <snip interesting bit about BLISS code - really don't see us > getting into BLISS>  > ...   A But you asked about examining subordinate chained messages, and I  told you how I did that.  < >> > (Also, is there a definition of exactly which exception@ >> > CLI.DCL_PARSE throws - so the exception handler can be more >>  / >> Yes, see the documentation of CLI$DCL_PARSE.  > = > Yes, been there.  The documentation describes the Condition 7 > Values returned (if you can get them - which we can't   E It also says the conditions signalled are the same as those returned.   9 > exceptions.  Searching the ADA$PREDEFINED directory for : > things like 'IVVERB' throws up constant definitions that; > presumably match these condition codes - but no exception  > declarations.   C That is what IMPORT_EXCEPTION is for.  I would suggest you read all B three books of your DEC Ada documentation cover-to-cover.  CoupledC with your knowledge of VMS, it really does show how the whole thing  fits together.  > > The documentation also does not seem to mention a few of the7 > errors that can occur during DCL_PARSE; e.g. MAXPARM,  > PARMDEL, NOQUAL.  0 If you find others, use pragma IMPORT_EXCEPTION.   >> > Code snippet: >> > >> >    declare = >> >       -- local block to limit scope of exception handler  >>  7 >> Here is where you might use pragma IMPORT_EXCEPTION.  >>  
 >> >    begin % >> >       CLI.DCL_PARSE(Status_Code, ( >> >                     Command_String,  >> >                     Table); >> >    exception  >>  F >> And then use the imported exception values for the documented codes >> in separate "when" clauses. >>  A >> >      when others =>  ?? How do I get the real Status_Code ??  >> >    end; > 2 > OK I'll have a look at this - but given that the; > documentation does not seem to be giving all the possible > > errors this does not seem a promising avenue.  It would also  ? On the contrary, IMPORT_EXCEPTION is _very_ promising, since it A works even for exceptions that are defined by non-VMS components.   9 > seem likely that the exception handler is going to be a 8 > rather cumbersome mapping of exceptions back to status( > codes, just so we can use $GETMSG. :-(  C The only way I could see it being called "cumbersome" is that it is A resolved at link time, but that is actually an advantage when you F consider how VMS message files are activated.  Compile-time resolution6 is less desireable than it might seem at first glance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:05:18 +0000 % From: Stuart Palin <stuart.palin@0.0> J Subject: Re: How do I get the equivalent status (DEC ADA IMPORT_EXCEPTION)# Message-ID: <3FDDDBBE.53BE9820@0.0>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > M > In article <3FDD82A9.BBBE62CC@0.0>, Stuart Palin <stuart.palin@0.0> writes:  > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >>P > >> In article <3FD9C40E.586BC65D@0.0>, Stuart Palin <stuart.palin@0.0> writes: > > ... @ > > <snip interesting bit about BLISS code - really don't see us > > getting into BLISS>  > > ...  > C > But you asked about examining subordinate chained messages, and I  > told you how I did that.  9 Yes - it was interesting to note what you had done, thank 2 you.  But I still don't see us getting into Bliss.  > > >> > (Also, is there a definition of exactly which exceptionB > >> > CLI.DCL_PARSE throws - so the exception handler can be more > >>1 > >> Yes, see the documentation of CLI$DCL_PARSE.  > > ? > > Yes, been there.  The documentation describes the Condition 9 > > Values returned (if you can get them - which we can't  > G > It also says the conditions signalled are the same as those returned.   9 Noted.  It would probably lead to a very neat solution in / Ada95 where I could probably get the underlying 7 representation of the exception and use it to feed into 8 $MESSAGE - I was hoping there would be some way of doing this with VAX Ada83.  ; > > exceptions.  Searching the ADA$PREDEFINED directory for < > > things like 'IVVERB' throws up constant definitions that= > > presumably match these condition codes - but no exception  > > declarations.  > E > That is what IMPORT_EXCEPTION is for.  I would suggest you read all D > three books of your DEC Ada documentation cover-to-cover.  CoupledE > with your knowledge of VMS, it really does show how the whole thing  > fits together.   Noted.  8 I have been dipping into them a bit during today - found< 4.4.6 very helpful, and have managed to 'lash up' a solution< using $SETEXV.  A bit scary but only used in this little bit to solve the immediate problem.   @ > > The documentation also does not seem to mention a few of the9 > > errors that can occur during DCL_PARSE; e.g. MAXPARM,  > > PARMDEL, NOQUAL. > 2 > If you find others, use pragma IMPORT_EXCEPTION.  : It would probably be the end users finding them and giving: very unhelpful feedback because the tool is not generating; useful error messages.  There is much to test and so little : time to fit it all in - I don't think the testing is going3 to focus on the minutiae of the Command Line ;-).      [it would ...]; > > seem likely that the exception handler is going to be a : > > rather cumbersome mapping of exceptions back to status* > > codes, just so we can use $GETMSG. :-( > E > The only way I could see it being called "cumbersome" is that it is C > resolved at link time, but that is actually an advantage when you H > consider how VMS message files are activated.  Compile-time resolution8 > is less desireable than it might seem at first glance.  : It was the whole messing about going back and forth that I was not looking forward to.       IVVERB : exception;6    pragma IMPORT_EXCEPTION(Internal => IVVERB, Code => CLI.IVVERB);    NOQUAL : exception;6    pragma IMPORT_EXCEPTION(Internal => NOQUAL, Code => CLI.NOQUAL);    --   etc.    ...    exception.      when IVVERB => Status_Code := CLI.IVVERB;.      when NOQUAL => Status_Code := CLI.NOQUAL;      --   etc.  5 [Repeat with a different set of exceptions when using  another service!]   5 I was just hoping that there might be a simple way of < getting the most recent condition code when we arrive in the8 exception handler.  Anyhow I have now managed to write a: package that provides a simple 'logging' function that can; be enabled/disabled around services that will intercept the 7 exception (using $SETEXV).  It seems to do what I want!    -- Stuart Palin   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:45:13 +0000 % From: Stuart Palin <stuart.palin@0.0> O Subject: Re: How do I get the equivalent status code when an exception has been # Message-ID: <3FDD82A9.BBBE62CC@0.0>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > M > In article <3FD9C40E.586BC65D@0.0>, Stuart Palin <stuart.palin@0.0> writes:  ... < <snip interesting bit about BLISS code - really don't see us getting into BLISS>  ... ; > > (Also, is there a definition of exactly which exception ? > > CLI.DCL_PARSE throws - so the exception handler can be more  > . > Yes, see the documentation of CLI$DCL_PARSE.  ; Yes, been there.  The documentation describes the Condition 5 Values returned (if you can get them - which we can't 7 without the previously Traceback or having to specially 5 compile and link without traceback) - but not the Ada 7 exceptions.  Searching the ADA$PREDEFINED directory for 8 things like 'IVVERB' throws up constant definitions that9 presumably match these condition codes - but no exception 
 declarations.   < The documentation also does not seem to mention a few of the5 errors that can occur during DCL_PARSE; e.g. MAXPARM,  PARMDEL, NOQUAL.   > > Code snippet:  > >  > >    declare< > >       -- local block to limit scope of exception handler > 6 > Here is where you might use pragma IMPORT_EXCEPTION. >  > >    begin$ > >       CLI.DCL_PARSE(Status_Code,' > >                     Command_String,  > >                     Table);  > >    exception > E > And then use the imported exception values for the documented codes  > in separate "when" clauses.  > @ > >      when others =>  ?? How do I get the real Status_Code ?? > >    end;   0 OK I'll have a look at this - but given that the9 documentation does not seem to be giving all the possible < errors this does not seem a promising avenue.  It would also7 seem likely that the exception handler is going to be a 6 rather cumbersome mapping of exceptions back to status& codes, just so we can use $GETMSG. :-(  6 [BTW I should mention that the VAX Ada we are using is4 Ada-83 so nice things like exception occurrence code9 introduced in Ada-95 also aren't available to us - unless < VAX Ada has put in some equivalent functionality somewhere.]     -- Stuart Palin   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:30:25 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>" Subject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS...3 Message-ID: <lskDb.10663$aF4.3268@news.cpqcorp.net>    Paul Repacholi wrote:  > 1 >>Is there Bliss for Intel ?  Visual Bliss ?  :-)  >  > 0 > Yes, good luck levering it out of hp though :( >   I The reason is that it is not complete.  The BLISS for Intel was built to  H allow the GEM code generator and the then Digital/Compaq Visual Fortran G compiler to be ported.  The BLISS does just enough for that small code  G base.  I'm 100% sure if if you tried other BLISS code, you'd find bugs  H in GEM.  I actually hooked the Pascal compiler up to the Intel GEM as a B proof point several years back and found at least 3 GEM bugs just D compiling the compiler and several more bugs just trying to run the 3 conformance section of the Pascal validation suite.   G As another example, BLISS/GEM for Itanium was originally built for the  I same purpose.  BLISS/GEM even ported themselves to Linux Itanium without  D much problem.  Then OpenVMS started its port and we found literally ! dozens of additional bugs in GEM.   G Now with the Visual Fortran product part of Intel, there are no active  E products left in that space.  I personally see no monetary reason to  = release the BLISS compiler and incur the extra support costs.   G Also, I would guess that most BLISS code is loaded with OpenVMS unique  I features (like calls to system services, RTL calls, etc.).  You wouldn't  J   expect that code to 'recompile and go' on a Windows XP system would you?F Anybody wanting to write new BLISS code on a Windows XP system should  readjust their medication.   --   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2003 02:55:56 -0800 From: anup_mx@yahoo.com (Anup)7 Subject: Invoking Shell Script through VAX/VMS machine. = Message-ID: <b7fc31d5.0312150255.7783dfca@posting.google.com>    Hi,   C I have to access one unix machine from another VAX/VMS machine in a A non interactive mode (i.e through a com file) and execute a shell 0 script saved in a directory of the UNIX machine.  > I have found that RSH command is used to access a unix machine remotely and the syntax is... " rsh [-l username] hostname command  E When I execute the first part i.e rsh -l username hostname , it works F fine the password is asked and I am able to acces the machine.But when* I try to execute the shell script with the
 same command  & i.e. rsh -l username hostname command & there is an error "Permission Denied".  B Has anyone worked on a similar logic of remotely executing a shell@ script?? or Anyone with more details on RSH command.What kind of: priviledges do we need on the folder/file in UNIX machine.   Thanks in Advance, Anup   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:19:25 +0200 - From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> ; Subject: Re: Invoking Shell Script through VAX/VMS machine. 7 Message-ID: <qwiDb.597$yx2.459@reader1.news.jippii.net>   > $ RSH/USER_NAME=username/PASSWORD=password   hostname  command   Look  
 $ HELP RSH   -Kari-  $ "Anup" <anup_mx@yahoo.com> kirjoitti< viestiss:b7fc31d5.0312150255.7783dfca@posting.google.com... > Hi,  > E > I have to access one unix machine from another VAX/VMS machine in a C > non interactive mode (i.e through a com file) and execute a shell 2 > script saved in a directory of the UNIX machine. > @ > I have found that RSH command is used to access a unix machine > remotely and the syntax is... $ > rsh [-l username] hostname command > G > When I execute the first part i.e rsh -l username hostname , it works H > fine the password is asked and I am able to acces the machine.But when, > I try to execute the shell script with the > same command' > i.e. rsh -l username hostname command ( > there is an error "Permission Denied". > D > Has anyone worked on a similar logic of remotely executing a shellB > script?? or Anyone with more details on RSH command.What kind of< > priviledges do we need on the folder/file in UNIX machine. >  > Thanks in Advance, > Anup   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:36:09 +0100 > From: "Winfried Bergmann" <winfried.bergmannNosPAM@empuron.de>; Subject: Re: Invoking Shell Script through VAX/VMS machine. 9 Message-ID: <brkka4$4cnl5$1@ID-170759.news.uni-berlin.de>   > "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> schrieb im Newsbeitrag1 news:qwiDb.597$yx2.459@reader1.news.jippii.net... @ > $ RSH/USER_NAME=username/PASSWORD=password   hostname  command >  > Look >  > $ HELP RSH >  > -Kari- > & > "Anup" <anup_mx@yahoo.com> kirjoitti> > viestiss:b7fc31d5.0312150255.7783dfca@posting.google.com... > > Hi,  > > G > > I have to access one unix machine from another VAX/VMS machine in a E > > non interactive mode (i.e through a com file) and execute a shell 4 > > script saved in a directory of the UNIX machine. > > B > > I have found that RSH command is used to access a unix machine! > > remotely and the syntax is... & > > rsh [-l username] hostname command > > I > > When I execute the first part i.e rsh -l username hostname , it works J > > fine the password is asked and I am able to acces the machine.But when. > > I try to execute the shell script with the > > same command) > > i.e. rsh -l username hostname command * > > there is an error "Permission Denied". > > F > > Has anyone worked on a similar logic of remotely executing a shellD > > script?? or Anyone with more details on RSH command.What kind of> > > priviledges do we need on the folder/file in UNIX machine. > >  > > Thanks in Advance, > > Anup >  >   G You could also create an .rhosts file on the unix maschine (in the home K directory of the user <username>. The file contains the hostname from where H you are connecting to (your VMS machine) and optionally, the user on the! remote host (on the VMS machine).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:15:56 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> A Subject: Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid! 0 Message-ID: <brkj89$8ej$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Tom Linden wrote: B >  not questioning, but just curious where you found those numbers >    IDC    regards  Andrew Harrison  >  >>-----Original Message-----) >>From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 >>[mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com]) >>Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:32 AM  >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com C >>Subject: Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid!  >> >>* >>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >> >>>Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  >>>  >>> ( >>>>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" + >>>><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ? >>>>wrote in message news:br9ld0$hdk$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  >>>> >>>> >>>>>Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  >>>>>  >>>>> E >>>>>>AlphaServers running VMS.  It was a very good quarter and beat   >>>>>>everyones $ >>>>>>expectations by a wide margin. >>>>>> >>>>>  >>>>>Provide the numbers >>>>>  >>>> >>>>	 >>>>Nope.  >>>> >>> ) >>>Don't post unsupported BS then (again)  >>> 
 >>>Regards >>>Andrew Harrison >>>  >>>  >>3 >>I know its bad form to follow up your own posting 3 >>but I thought it would be helpfull to provide the * >>numbers that Fred was so keen to talk up >>but not actually provide.  >>1 >>The answer is that AlphaServers running OpenVMS 1 >>did ~64 million dollars last quarter. The words   >>blip and radar spring to mind. >>	 >>regards  >>Andrew Harrison  >> >>--- ( >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B >>Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003 >> >  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:57:36 -0600 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>( Subject: Need Help Porting C code to VMS: Message-ID: <3fdde80b$0$1102$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>   Hello,  > I'm working on porting some C code from a Linux system to VMS.  3 I'm running VMS 7.3-1, CC 6.5, and the latest ECOs.   I The Code I'm trying to port is.. admittedly, some simple games, but they  ? serve as a good learning experience. They are card games, like  - solitaire, etc. And they need graphic images.   I I've already build new object libraries for zlib, png, and xpm. And they  ! seem to work with the test files.    Here's the problem.   * The C compile gives the following message:  7 > $ cc/prefix=all/include=(libzlib,libpng,libxpm) table  > % > REGISTER_IMAGE_LIBRARY(card_images)  > ^  > %CC-E-NOSEMI, Missing ";".R > at line number 1040 in file USER01:[MGR.LBARTELS.PROGRAMMING.ACE.ACE-1_2.LIB]TAB > LE.C;5  H When I take out the code for "REGISTER_IMAGE_LIBRARY" the code compiles C fine. (At first I thought it was an issue with the code before it.)e  ) The .h file that has this definitions is:v   > #ifdef __cplusplus > }rR > #define REGISTER_IMAGE_LIBRARY(x) static int __register = _register_imagelib(x); > #elsel\ > #define REGISTER_IMAGE_LIBRARY(x) static void __register() __attribute__((constructor)); \= >         static void __register() { _register_imagelib(x); }  > #endif    5 I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm thinking the vH "REGISTER_IMAGE_LIBRARY" is not being defined. And hence the issue. I'm C also thinking the "__register" functions etcetara are Linux kernel tC functions. I've been searching on Google for more info, and poking o> around my Linux PC to see if I can find anything. No luck yet.   Thanks in advance for any help   Lyndon   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2003 06:36:08 -0800) From: gary.morin@emergis.com (Gary Morin)n< Subject: Re: OpenVMS, CSWS (apache), PHP and ... Rdb ???!!!!= Message-ID: <4f886957.0312150636.15dab87d@posting.google.com>p   Jack --t  F Drop me a note.  We havn't talked in a while and I have been using theA MySQL OpenVMS port running on MyAlpha :) for the Database class Ii teach.  	   -- Garye    z Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@earthlink.nospamme> wrote in message news:<FKHCb.147$sW5.25@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...H > I was extactic to just recently find out that CSWS V1.2 came with PHP  > and MySQL! > J > What I really want to know, is any one working on PHP for Rdb !  Oracle J > amnounced support for PHP in their "other" product line back in Aug '03. >  > jp   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:54:24 GMT3" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG* Subject: Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation0 Message-ID: <00A2A660.C56242FF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <3FDD02BB.2090308@goodbits.com>, Steven Bitgood <steve@goodbits.com> writes: a >Anyone with an interest in the visual representation of data needs to review the work of Edward nc >Tufte. The September issue of Wired magazine has his summary of his opinions on PowerPoint, and I y >highly recommend it.  > 3 >http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/ppt2.htmlu  L Much of this commentary has been my opinion of such presentations for years.  L DECUS technical content did seemed to wane at about the same time the Power-A point presentations started waxing.  A coincidence?  I think not.n   --K http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the best OpenVMS system security solutions.p  tK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMp            r5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:30:14 -0500a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation) Message-ID: <3FDDA916.629FB732@istop.com>n  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:SN > DECUS technical content did seemed to wane at about the same time the Power-C > point presentations started waxing.  A coincidence?  I think not.   Q That is because handouts simply become a printout of the powerpoint presentation.k  K Also, the session is now more about how fancy a powerpoint presentation the L presenter can make and what sort of animations you include as opposed to the
 real content.i  N It is also part lazyness. It is a lot easier to just whip up slides with a fewF general bulleted points than to generate printed documents with a moreG comprehensive data, graphs, comparisons and examples. Also because yourhD powerpoint presentation also turns out to be your own session notes.  N Graphic support for a presentation can be extremely useful. Sometimes a graph,J picture or drawing can better explain than words. The problem is that mostK presentors feel some needs to always have a new slide and don't think aboutCK having a dark slide for those times when you don't need graphic support. SomD they end up with an endless succession of bulleted points in slides.  E And instead of the slides complementing the presentor, it becomes thea# presentor complementing the slides.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:48:22 GMTr4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)* Subject: Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation0 Message-ID: <q4iDb.356963$Dw6.1170793@attbi_s02>  V In article <3FDDA916.629FB732@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:" !VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:O !> DECUS technical content did seemed to wane at about the same time the Power-sD !> point presentations started waxing.  A coincidence?  I think not. !cR !That is because handouts simply become a printout of the powerpoint presentation. !sL !Also, the session is now more about how fancy a powerpoint presentation theM !presenter can make and what sort of animations you include as opposed to theh !real content. !oO !It is also part lazyness. It is a lot easier to just whip up slides with a fewlG !general bulleted points than to generate printed documents with a moresH !comprehensive data, graphs, comparisons and examples. Also because yourE !powerpoint presentation also turns out to be your own session notes.  !s  G It doesn't have to be that way, of course - you can make the notes thateI accompany the slides as detailed and as technical as you wish - the tricktN becomes "publishing" the whole package (bulleted slides and technical details), in a way that makes sense to the audience.    I Perhaps a presenter hands out the detailed information, and periodically nI reminds the audience that the "details are in the accompanying techincal iM package", and that there will be a short Q-and-A session near the end, where dK the audience and the speaker exchange information, based on the notes.  Or sN perhaps the notes can even be handed out as part of the registration package, K so that the audience has the opportunity to attend with prepared questions.M  O !Graphic support for a presentation can be extremely useful. Sometimes a graph,EK !picture or drawing can better explain than words. The problem is that most L !presentors feel some needs to always have a new slide and don't think aboutL !having a dark slide for those times when you don't need graphic support. SoE !they end up with an endless succession of bulleted points in slides.' !eF !And instead of the slides complementing the presentor, it becomes the$ !presentor complementing the slides.  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"sK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' n0                                          with @"   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2003 06:55:52 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)* Subject: Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312150655.2af203a3@posting.google.com>d  \ Steven Bitgood <steve@goodbits.com> wrote in message news:<3FDD02BB.2090308@goodbits.com>...b > Anyone with an interest in the visual representation of data needs to review the work of Edward d > Tufte. The September issue of Wired magazine has his summary of his opinions on PowerPoint, and I  > highly recommend it. > 4 > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/ppt2.html >  >  > JF Mezei wrote:i > ; > >>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/14/magazine/14POWER.htmls > >> > > O > > has a most interesting article about how the use of Powerpoint is "dumbing"sL > > down business decisions. Essentially it says that managers are forced toN > > simplify everything to fit on a powerpoint slide that can contains limitedR > > amount of text in bullet point form instead of the precise information needed. > > R > > Examples given of failures of Powerpoint is the shuttle columbia. After seeingO > > the launch video, the engineers had to cram all the information on possibleoP > > debris hit into powerpoint slides that did not make it possible for managersI > > to really understand the situation. Managers based their decisions ona/ > > powerpoint slides instead of the real data.  > >   F Please pardon me if I am missing something obvious, but why is there aE picture of Genevieve Liang when the article is by Dr. Tutfe and Liang + is not mentioned anywhere else on the page?S  F BTW, I find it interesting that the "Previous Story" link on this page( is called "Learning to Love PowerPoint".   Thanks.d   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:17:35 GMT ) From: Steven Bitgood <steve@goodbits.com>o* Subject: Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation+ Message-ID: <3FDDECC4.1060406@goodbits.com>b   Alan E. Feldman wrote:  ^ > Steven Bitgood <steve@goodbits.com> wrote in message news:<3FDD02BB.2090308@goodbits.com>... > b >>Anyone with an interest in the visual representation of data needs to review the work of Edward d >>Tufte. The September issue of Wired magazine has his summary of his opinions on PowerPoint, and I  >>highly recommend it. >>4 >>http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/ppt2.html >> >> >>JF Mezei wrote:  >> >>; >>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/14/magazine/14POWER.html  >>>> >>>>N >>>has a most interesting article about how the use of Powerpoint is "dumbing"K >>>down business decisions. Essentially it says that managers are forced to-M >>>simplify everything to fit on a powerpoint slide that can contains limitedeQ >>>amount of text in bullet point form instead of the precise information needed.e >>>-Q >>>Examples given of failures of Powerpoint is the shuttle columbia. After seeingaN >>>the launch video, the engineers had to cram all the information on possibleO >>>debris hit into powerpoint slides that did not make it possible for managerstH >>>to really understand the situation. Managers based their decisions on. >>>powerpoint slides instead of the real data. >>>  >>>s > H > Please pardon me if I am missing something obvious, but why is there aG > picture of Genevieve Liang when the article is by Dr. Tutfe and Liangd- > is not mentioned anywhere else on the page?  > H > BTW, I find it interesting that the "Previous Story" link on this page* > is called "Learning to Love PowerPoint". > 	 > Thanks.t >  > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldmany >   c A mildly ironic example of poor data representation. The picture is of Dr. Tufte, and Ms. Liang is  e given as the source of the photo. The format is less misleading when the graphic also has a caption, ed as the others on this page do. Note that the "real" (print) version does not suffer so, as it gives # no source credits for its graphics.   a The "Previous Story" gives the view of former "Talking Head" David Byrne. His perspective agrees rc with Tufte's in some bizarre ways, but does not really address the issue of data visualization. It rZ reminds me of victims of Stockholm Syndrome, where captives "learn to love" their captors.   -SB-   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Dec 2003 10:32:21 EST, From: "DumberThanSnot" <Dumber@ThanSnot.com> Subject: Re: Ping: VAXmanA0 Message-ID: <brkk65$c7l@dispatch.concentric.net>  E You are correct of course...    Just habbit to ppush thatt exxtra 'L'b4 somettimes.  ;-)   I didn't even noticed I did that.  7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messagei* news:3FDAEF42.5258CBB7@sture.homeip.net... > HARANGOZO CSABA wrote: > >i > > VAXman- wrote:G > > > In article <brcnn9$evc@dispatch.concentric.net>, "DumberThanSnot"i <Dumber@ThanSnot.com> writes:n > > > {...snip...}H > > >>One of the coolest things I remember about EH is that he hangs out withG > > >>Bella Fleck.  Victor Wooten (part of the Flecktones) is one of my  favoriteJ > > >>musicians.  Ed's coolness level rose 100 times when he told me that. > > >SJ > > > I knew EH was into eclectic music.  He and I would often speak about concertsJ > > > we had attended.  I didn't know he knew Bella.  He's never mentioned it.a > >eC > >         Sorry to intrude here, but I think it is Bela ( being ac	 HungariantH > >         male first name. ) Bella is a rather feminine sounding name.4 > >         Not listening to Fleck's music though... > >  >e  > Bla Fleck and the Flecktones: >e > http://www.flecktones.com/ >a > -- $ > Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2003 02:11:45 -0800% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)a$ Subject: Re: question on SMTP queues= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0312150211.102e2e6e@posting.google.com>0  F As far as I can see there is no point at all. The main disadvantage of; changing this configuration is that it will greatly confusea
 TCPIP$CONFIG.0  D The whole thing gives you the feeling that the developers started toE read the manual about OpenVMS queues, but stopped at the second page.h2 The chapter on clusters started on the third page!  F Message to the TCP/IP developers: OpenVMS is NOT just an other Unix!!!   Regards,  	 Bart Zornl  [ helbig@astro.multiNOSPAMvax.de wrote in message news:<brhsv7$2428$1@news.xenopsyche.net>...HK > There was a thread on this a while back, but I don't recall a definitive  	 > answer., > J > I'm in the process of re-organising my queue database.  Batch and print > > queues I understand, but the SMTP queues are a bit puzzling. >  > Normally, things look like s > - > Generic server queue TCPIP$SMTP_NODENAME_00_O >   /GENERIC=(TCPIP$SMTP_NODE_01) /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)  >   /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE) > P > Server queue TCPIP$SMTP_NODENAME_01, idle, on NODENAME::, mounted form DEFAULTA >   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) /OWNER=[SYSTEM] @ >   /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$SMTP_SYMBIONT /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) >   > This raises several questions: > G > What is the point of a generic queue which points to just ONE server   > queue? > 4 > What is the point of a generic queue on each node? > K > Why not have the following setup: there is just one generic server queue -- > which points to server queues on each node?5   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:36:12 -0600c( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)$ Subject: Re: question on SMTP queues1 Message-ID: <03121509361210@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>a  G > What is the point of a generic queue which points to just ONE server e > queue?  # In TCPIP V5.0 you have this option:a  ( $ TCPIP SET CONFIGURATION SMTP /QUEUES=n     From TCPIP help:               /QUEUES=nO            Optional. Default: 1.  <          Number of execution queues for the specified nodes.  H          Use this qualifier only on nodes that own the SMTP queues, thatE          is, nodes not using clusterwide SMTP queues or managing SMTPe,          clusterwide queues for other nodes.    - Not that this answers your other questions...e     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n2 VMS Systems Administratorl* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Dec 2003 14:59:24 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSe9 Message-ID: <brki8c$4279b$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   : In article <G1KCb.135533$Eq1.72244@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,( 	"Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: > ) > Have you been to a hospital lately???  P  	 Have you?   K >                                        According to HP sales/engineering.IL > After all of the government systems (#1 purchaser), Healthcare (Hospitals)/ > is the largest user of VMS systems in the US.h  D All of the hospitals around here (and because of the largely elderlyE population we have way too many) changed from VMS (yes, the WERE VMS)oE to Windows several years ago.  I remember going into one and noticingm5 all the VT Terminals had been replaced with Gateways.    bill o   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2003 08:43:27 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young),1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSX3 Message-ID: <nZAYxFukmHt5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <sa%Cb.16837$%TO.3822@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > Mike Naime wrote:>   > K > You might say - bring HP in to help out. No f!cking way at this point. HPaD > should have been doing what they should have been doing long ago -N > advertising to prime the pump. The marketing droids they have hereabouts areJ > useless, with minimal VMS knowledge and would only screw up my carefully > laid efforts thus far. >   > 	Why not bring them in?  Carly is interested in OpenVMS sales:  2 http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20031212S0009  O "Shannon said HP is heavily committed to the Alpha line and noted that HP's CEOrC Carly Fiorina has made several customer calls to close Alpha sales"e    # 	Sharpen your knives you whiners.  p  " 	Here let me help you get started:  , 	"But they should be advertising it more."  & 	"Without it being pushed it is dead." 	 H "OpenVMS customers heavily dependent on third-party applications should J immediately begin exploring migration options with an objective of moving L most key packaged applications off the OpenVMS platform by the end of 2001."  - 			Gartner Group senior IT analyst Tom Henkel  			1999s  2 	Gee Tom Henkel, what WAS your probability factor?   	Whaaa!  Whaaaa!  Whaaaa!:     				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2003 10:34:32 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSl3 Message-ID: <yhCQgegTQOFg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <brki8c$4279b$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:< > In article <G1KCb.135533$Eq1.72244@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,* > 	"Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: >>  * >> Have you been to a hospital lately???   >  > Have you?o > L >>                                        According to HP sales/engineering.M >> After all of the government systems (#1 purchaser), Healthcare (Hospitals) 0 >> is the largest user of VMS systems in the US. > F > All of the hospitals around here (and because of the largely elderlyG > population we have way too many) changed from VMS (yes, the WERE VMS) G > to Windows several years ago.  I remember going into one and noticingt7 > all the VT Terminals had been replaced with Gateways.o >   7 	Most everyone is running Windows at the desktop now.  i  F 	In *most* hospital applications, the backend is VMS or Unix.  Cerner,# 	IDX, EPIC, ChartMaxx, Lawson, etc.d  F 	Now, eclipsys (eclipsys.com) is a windows back-end.  But compared to H 	Cerner and others, eclipsys is rather down the pecking order as far as G 	size is concerned.  ($240 million or so in revenues the last year and AD 	losing $12 million every quarter.  Compare to Cerner that has done G 	about $800 million in revenue the past year making about $39 million).x   				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2003 10:31:37 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312151031.36933126@posting.google.com>   m bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<brki8c$4279b$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>...l< > In article <G1KCb.135533$Eq1.72244@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,* > 	"Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: > > + > > Have you been to a hospital lately???  t >  > Have you?o > M > >                                        According to HP sales/engineering.XN > > After all of the government systems (#1 purchaser), Healthcare (Hospitals)1 > > is the largest user of VMS systems in the US.t > F > All of the hospitals around here (and because of the largely elderlyG > population we have way too many) changed from VMS (yes, the WERE VMS) G > to Windows several years ago.  I remember going into one and noticingo7 > all the VT Terminals had been replaced with Gateways.k >  > bill  7 maybe they just went to a gui front end w/vms still on   the backend ...i   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Dec 2003 14:06:23 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)"& Subject: Software Antiword 0.35 is out+ Message-ID: <7Q3Xi6vlAuKw@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>e       Antiword 0.35 is out for VMS:  F  see http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword/antiword_vms.html   m -- s>    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:46:23 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> B Subject: Re: Sun to use AMD Opteron - announcement expected Monday0 Message-ID: <brkl1d$96a$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:G > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:48:47 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyQ0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >>jlsue wrote: >  > L >>>The main problem was that once the decisions were made, the communicationI >>>was handled badly.  I can't defend how the business allowed commitmenteL >>>speeches just prior to cancellation announcements.  But bad communicationF >>>doesn't necessarily mean that the business decision itself was bad. >>>p >>B >>Really so missleading your customers before the decision and the@ >>decision itself wasn't the problem it was how you communicated# >>the decision to them afterwards !P >  > E > It would only be truly misleading if those making the statements towL > customers were fully aware of what the BOD were doing.  If they were awareK > that "a" decision was to be made,, but made the statements believing thatpI > Alpha would survive, then you can only fault them for their enthusiasm.o >   1 You customers had the impression that Alpha wouldr. go on for at least 25 years, they had roadmaps3 from Compaq that extended to EV8 and your engineerse- even published papers talking about potential$ followons to EV8.b  2 There is no doubt that your customers were mislead2 trying to suggest that there is even a doubt about this is ludicrous.  > And who mislead them, representatives of Compaq withor without direct sanction from the board.   : Are you now suggesting that the only people in Compaq that/ you should beleive are members of the HP Board.h  " I hope that they are hard workers.     > @ >>You really should be in politics this the kind of BS reasoning >>you get from a politician. >  > M > Yeah.  Or I could just leap to opinions and spread real BS as if it's fact,s > like yourself. >   1 No it is a fact that your customers were mislead.e  2 It is also a fact that they were mislead by Compaq and more latterly HP.   2 Niether of these are opinions and neither of these5 are BS. The only BS and it was a gargantuan BS effort  on your part was your response.p   Regards  Andrew Harrisoni   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:13:46 -0000a* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Turbochannel SCSI+ Message-ID: <brk51a$nru@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message* news:a7SdnTg0NcJxMkaiRVn-vA@comcast.com...  H > I would be quite surprised if there were a 100Mbit ethernet option forI > these boxes.  Their heyday was around 1994-95 and I don't think 100Mbite* > was out of the laboratory at that point.  H The rise of Fast Ethernet was roughly contemporary; the 100Mbit standardG was issued in 1995. At the time FDDI was king: it's easy with hindsight  to have backed 802.3.a  C Digital did manage to turn around and come up with some quality PCInG ethernet and Fast Ethernet chipsets later. At the time, there were many ' losers to back (EISA, MCA,  802.12...).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:30:11 +0100c* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>5 Subject: Re: VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMS 0 Message-ID: <3FDDD383.2780588B@sture.homeip.net>   Paul Repacholi wrote:h > . > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: > G > > And in 750 days, an OEM was claiming that their version of 750s hadaG > > some kind of performance boost. We never found out exactly how theyeH > > intended to achieve that. I never did find another 750 quite as fast( > > as the pair I was running however... >   > This wasn't Systime(?) was it? >    Yep.   -- e
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