1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 17 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 696       Contents:! Re: Advanced Server 7.3A Problem? ! Re: Advanced Server 7.3A Problem?  Re: Alpha Server Road Map  Re: Alpha Server Road Map   Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3! Coincidence or cascading failure? % Re: Coincidence or cascading failure?  Re: F90 current version?? 1 Re: INFO-VAX request (reverse IP of sending SMTP) 2 Re: Invoking Shell Script through VAX/VMS machine. Re: Kernel mode code in Pascal KZPSC-AA Documentation  Re: Logging interactive sessions  Re: Logging interactive sessions  Re: Logging interactive sessions  Re: Logging interactive sessions  Re: Logging interactive sessions Mount  RE: Multiple TCPIP interfaces  Re: Multiple TCPIP interfaces < Multple ECOs in one recovery data set in command file update@ Re: Multple ECOs in one recovery data set in command file update# Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS  Re: OpenVMS Merchandise  Re: OpenVMS Merchandise  Re: OpenVMS org 3 Re: OpenVMS, CSWS (apache), PHP and ... Rdb ???!!!! 3 Re: OpenVMS, CSWS (apache), PHP and ... Rdb ???!!!! ! Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation 0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel0 RE: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel4 Problem with Tomcat V 3.2.4 "Unable to Rename class" Re: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX  RE: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX  RE: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX  RE: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX  Re: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX ( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS) Re: TechWeb: HP Coaxes Alphas To Itaniums , Re: VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMS1 [SOT] I Lost It with the Tape Drive v1.0 (Lyrics) ; [VMS V7.3-2] How do you interpret SHOW DEVICE/BITMAP/FULL ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:21:23 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: Advanced Server 7.3A Problem?2 Message-ID: <TWIDb.98123$dt3.73697@news.chello.at>  k In article <8SrDb.400919$275.1271054@attbi_s53>, "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net> writes: J >- Upgrade sequence: VMS 7.2-1,V6.0C to  VMS 7.2-1,V6.0D ->VMS 7.3-1, 7.3A >eco2    => VMS V7.3-2, ASOVMS V7.3A2  5 >- These are persistent mappings, restored upon login   " Both machines in the same domain ?- Or stored credentials on the client machine ?   ; >- The error is unable to map drive (or something similar).   < With entry in the security audit/log on the server machine ?  J >- The error is intermittent, but so far I've only seen it on Windows 2000 >PCs. M >- I have also noticed that sometimes when a file is copied from a PC HD to a  >network share,   + Various debugging tools might be of help...   G >we get a "file locked" error if you attempt to open the file from VMS.   0 Due to ASOVMS file open/close caching I suppose.2 You can configure the timeout/delay in the ASOVMS.  J >Normally we have a PC application that performs the copy, but I have beenH >able to reproduce the problem by using the DOS copy command.  A Windows@ >Explorer drag-and-drop copy does not seem to have this problem.  G I hears that explorer does more retries, but I never tried to find out. N Better don't take my comment for the truth until confirmed by a M$ specialist.  I >                                                                The file L >can be manually closed with the ADMIN CLOSE FILE command or dismounting theG >network share drive to which the file was copied.  This worked without 2 >problem for the last 3 years, before the upgrade.  H And now ? ADMIN CLOSE OPEN_FILE is still supported. If it doesn't behaveE like documented (and you have a support contract), file a bug report.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:03:14 GMT 8 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net>* Subject: Re: Advanced Server 7.3A Problem?0 Message-ID: <mXNDb.563347$HS4.4268007@attbi_s01>  K The PC and AS7.3AE2 server are on different domains.  The client PC user is - authorized via Advanced Server authorization.   K I'm not sure what => VMS V7.3-2, ASOVMS V7.3A2 means...  OpenVMS 7.3-1 with G Advanced Server 7.3A eco 2 are the software versions of the OS and NOS, 
 respectively.   K Open file caching is set to the default of 5 seconds.  There seems to be no J limit on how long Advanced Server is keeping the file open.  I waited over) an hour once, before manually closing it.   L The ADMIN CLOSE OPEN_FILE  works as advertised.  I just don't think I should have to use it...    Thanks,  Tom   C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message , news:TWIDb.98123$dt3.73697@news.chello.at...@ > In article <8SrDb.400919$275.1271054@attbi_s53>, "Tom Simpson", <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net> writes:L > >- Upgrade sequence: VMS 7.2-1,V6.0C to  VMS 7.2-1,V6.0D ->VMS 7.3-1, 7.3A > >eco2  >  > => VMS V7.3-2, ASOVMS V7.3A2 > 7 > >- These are persistent mappings, restored upon login  > $ > Both machines in the same domain ?/ > Or stored credentials on the client machine ?  > = > >- The error is unable to map drive (or something similar).  > > > With entry in the security audit/log on the server machine ? > L > >- The error is intermittent, but so far I've only seen it on Windows 2000 > >PCs. J > >- I have also noticed that sometimes when a file is copied from a PC HD to a > >network share,  > - > Various debugging tools might be of help...  > I > >we get a "file locked" error if you attempt to open the file from VMS.  > 2 > Due to ASOVMS file open/close caching I suppose.4 > You can configure the timeout/delay in the ASOVMS. > L > >Normally we have a PC application that performs the copy, but I have beenJ > >able to reproduce the problem by using the DOS copy command.  A WindowsB > >Explorer drag-and-drop copy does not seem to have this problem. > I > I hears that explorer does more retries, but I never tried to find out. D > Better don't take my comment for the truth until confirmed by a M$ specialist.  > K > >                                                                The file D > >can be manually closed with the ADMIN CLOSE OPEN_FILE  command or dismounting the I > >network share drive to which the file was copied.  This worked without 4 > >problem for the last 3 years, before the upgrade. > J > And now ? ADMIN CLOSE OPEN_FILE is still supported. If it doesn't behaveG > like documented (and you have a support contract), file a bug report.  >  > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:55:38 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>" Subject: Re: Alpha Server Road Map6 Message-ID: <3FDFB79A.C4568F2F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   John Brandon wrote:  > K > I have a vendor that has decided to stop support of their Payroll Package O > on VMS becuase they indicated that HP would stop supporting our (GS160 Alpha) J > hardware platform in 2005.  They indicated that was the main reason they, > weren't supporting this platform any more. > M > My thought is that VMS is VMS on VAX, on Alpha, and Itanium.  Granted a bit  > feauture sparce on VAX...  > H > Where can I find the Alpha/VMS roadmap?  Yes I know Itanium is the newO > direction however I would like to read up on the support of the Alpha and get G > an insight into what type of rear-end valve this vendor has with VMS.  > K > I would tend to believe that come 2005 Alpha will still be supported as a M > hardware platform and O/S - with the understanding of no new development of  > course - similiar to the VAX.  >  > Links?  > At this point, I'm sure the best link would be (munged a bit):  % mailto: mark dot gorham at hp dot com     ...and request his intervention.  D Of course, you could always show the vendor how to Google c.o.v. forC both Itanium and Itanic so they can see that VMS will live on after  Alpha.  % Let's not forget the VMS home page...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:32:12 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Re: Alpha Server Road Map) Message-ID: <3FDFC017.9122125F@istop.com>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:' > Let's not forget the VMS home page...     M The same page which until June 25 2001 promised a long life for Alpha servers L and had plenty of white papers that showed how flawed IA64 was and how Alpha( would continue its leadership position ?  M When a vendor doesn't have credibility or the trust of its customers, the web V page doesn't do much to change ideas. It takes very public statements and advertising.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:55:23 -0000 ( From: "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com>) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 9 Message-ID: <bro2ht$5fnrv$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>   1 <helbig@astro.multiNOSPAMvax.de> wrote in message ) news:brc672$2nap$1@news.xenopsyche.net... D > Please reply to the group AND to me via email (for the reason, see	 > below).  > D > I'm a bit confused about BOOT, HALT and RESTART (or the equivalentE > numbers 1, 2 and 3---somewhere I have a note of what corresponds to F > what, but if anyone has the information handy, please post it in theJ > reply).  HALT is clear: whenever the machine gets to the console prompt,E > it stays there until one tells it to boot.  BOOT, in my experience, 3 > causes it to boot after the power is switched on.  >  > What does RESTART do?   H I have scanned through the other replies to this topic, and they are all incomplete. E RESTART behaviour is defined in the architecture. Irrespective of the E means it is set, whether switches or console variables, RESTART tells A the console firmware on a VAX or the SRM on an Alpha (or Vax7000) E to search memory for a valid Restart Parameter Block (RPB) every time B there is either a powerup or uncontrolled entry into console mode.  K If a valid RPB is found, as may well be the case after certain pathological C halts, the cpu will begin execution at the PC specified in the RPB. K In current versions of VMS and with most (if not all) current hardware this : will be for the sole purpose of taking a restart bugcheck.6 Events such as KRNLSTAKNV, DBLERR, INVPTBR and INVSCBB7 constitute such pathological halts. OPERCRASH does not.   A If a valid RPB is NOT found RESTART causes the fallback action of  initiating a REBOOT.H Clearly this will be the case on powerup for all machines without either( memory battery backup or core memory :-)  K The last machine that I know for certain survived a total power failure and G continued as if nothing had ever happened was a PDP11 with core memory. C This would have been about 1982... Undoubtedly there have been many A such situations since then, but none I have personally witnessed.   < Rebooting after a bugcheck is controlled by SYSGEN parameter1 BUGREBOOT, and is nothing to do with the console.    -- John Travell" Independent VMS crashdump analyst. john- at - jomatech - dot - com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/         --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 11/12/2003    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:04:32 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)* Subject: Coincidence or cascading failure?. Message-ID: <bro320$dq2$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  G The setup:  Linksys BEFSR41 router acting as a firewall, PWS 500au (VMS I 7.3-1, TCPIP 5.3), a PC running WinXP, a laptop, and a wireless router on  the inside of the firewall.   A This morning my PWS's screen was blank, which is normal given the F screensaver settings, but it didn't respond when I moved the mouse and pressed keys.     E The PC was running but couldn't access the internet.  I noticed a red K blinking error light on the router, and I couldn't access the router or the J Alpha from the PC.  I tried http and telnet, using the numeric IP address.  J After I power-cycled the Alpha I could access it from the PC (and from theH console).  It took a re-flash of the router firmware to get the outside F connection going again.  In other words, the switch part of the device% didn't go down, only the router part.   H Is there a single event which could cause both a freeze of the Alpha andK corruption of the router's flash?  Or could one cause the other?  The Alpha 8 is running Apache, BIND, SMTP, and (intranet only) IMAP.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:48:55 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: Coincidence or cascading failure?) Message-ID: <3FDFA7E8.9DB2DE2D@istop.com>    "Keith A. Lewis" wrote: J > Is there a single event which could cause both a freeze of the Alpha andM > corruption of the router's flash?  Or could one cause the other?  The Alpha : > is running Apache, BIND, SMTP, and (intranet only) IMAP.  L How about a blink (or many) of the electrical system ? Not enough to cause a( reboot, but just enough to wreak havok ?  I I have had a Netgear router also "freeze" after multiple power cycles too M close to each other. Had to use my PDA to reload its flash because the xmodem  on VAX isn't up to snuff.   L In terms of the Alpha, are you sure that it was still "up" or is it possible that was frozen/crashed ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:23:42 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: F90 current version??- Message-ID: <874qw0o9c1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   $ Thanks Ken. Time to off 7.4 I think.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:09:39 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>: Subject: Re: INFO-VAX request (reverse IP of sending SMTP)) Message-ID: <3FDF82A0.DB9B8514@istop.com>   @ Here is a message Paddy O'Brien wanted me to post on his behalf: ....F My thanks to JF for posting this on my behalf, and thanks to those whoF responded.  In particular it was good to have what I have been telling5 our people was happening vindicated by Mark Berryman.   D I have passed copies to our IT and I hope that the inertia will haveD been overcome by the time I return from leave at the end of January.  @ Since I'm off on Friday, I'll just take this opportunity to wish8 everyone a Merry VMS Christmas and a Happy VMS New Year.   Regards Paddy O'Brien  .....    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:51:40 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>; Subject: Re: Invoking Shell Script through VAX/VMS machine. 6 Message-ID: <3FDFB6AC.ADC78972@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Winfried Bergmann wrote: > @ > "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> schrieb im Newsbeitrag3 > news:qwiDb.597$yx2.459@reader1.news.jippii.net... B > > $ RSH/USER_NAME=username/PASSWORD=password   hostname  command > >  > > Look > >  > > $ HELP RSH > > 
 > > -Kari- > > ( > > "Anup" <anup_mx@yahoo.com> kirjoitti@ > > viestiss:b7fc31d5.0312150255.7783dfca@posting.google.com...	 > > > Hi,  > > > I > > > I have to access one unix machine from another VAX/VMS machine in a G > > > non interactive mode (i.e through a com file) and execute a shell 6 > > > script saved in a directory of the UNIX machine. > > > D > > > I have found that RSH command is used to access a unix machine# > > > remotely and the syntax is... ( > > > rsh [-l username] hostname command > > > K > > > When I execute the first part i.e rsh -l username hostname , it works L > > > fine the password is asked and I am able to acces the machine.But when0 > > > I try to execute the shell script with the > > > same command+ > > > i.e. rsh -l username hostname command , > > > there is an error "Permission Denied". > > > H > > > Has anyone worked on a similar logic of remotely executing a shellF > > > script?? or Anyone with more details on RSH command.What kind of@ > > > priviledges do we need on the folder/file in UNIX machine. > > >  > > > Thanks in Advance,
 > > > Anup > >  > >  > I > You could also create an .rhosts file on the unix maschine (in the home M > directory of the user <username>. The file contains the hostname from where J > you are connecting to (your VMS machine) and optionally, the user on the# > remote host (on the VMS machine).   1 You may also need a matching entry in hosts.equiv    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:49:45 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>' Subject: Re: Kernel mode code in Pascal 3 Message-ID: <Z5LDb.10831$Li6.3544@news.cpqcorp.net>   G The logic behind the warning came from people trying to use VAX Pascal  H in kernel mode.  The VAX compiler uses a HALT instruction followed by a E byte code to signal errors from the generated code the RTL.  The RTL  G sees the "Opcode reserved to Digital fault", examines the next byte to  G index into the message table, and prints the error.  It also bumps the  > faulting PC by one in case a user's handler wants to continue.  B Of cource, doing this in kernel mode just halts the machine... :-)  F On OpenVMS Alpha (and OpenVMS I64), we don't use such hacks.  Writing H kernel code in Pascal isn't any more difficult than writing kernel code  in any other language.     --   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:15:18 GMT & From: "Barry" <berrys2552@comcast.net> Subject: KZPSC-AA Documentation / Message-ID: <qLQDb.575819$Fm2.538851@attbi_s04>   G I have A alpha 1000A that has a KZPSC-aa single channel raid controller K installed and isn't being used. I would like to set it up and use it to add J extra disks and maybe a external tape drive. I didn't have any luck tryingJ the HP web site. Any pointers to setup and/or configuration documentation.  
 Barry Streets  The Echo Group bstreets@echoman.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:24:06 +0100 " From: km <kmichali@elka.pw.edu.pl>) Subject: Re: Logging interactive sessions - Message-ID: <3FDF69E6.8070807@elka.pw.edu.pl>   G Your proposition is very good except one thing. It makes double number  ? of lisence I need in the system and that is the problem for me. ! Is there any other possibilities?    Krzysztof Michalik   Syltrem wrote:, > You mean, log everything you do in a file? > , > Usually you will have DECnet installed so: >  > $ SET HOST 0 /OUT=LOGFILE.LOG  > Username:  > Password:  >  > do your things here  > 
 > $ LOGOUT > + > and everything is logged into LOGFILE.LOG  >  > HTH  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:37:34 GMT 8 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net>) Subject: Re: Logging interactive sessions 0 Message-ID: <yrODb.372710$Dw6.1214846@attbi_s02>  L I think the program ALPHA_LOGGER.C will do what you want.  I've not tried it	 in years. I Maybe someone here has more info on it and/or a more recent version and a  pointer.  / I can post the source code I have if necessary.    Regards, Tom   / "km" <kmichali@elka.pw.edu.pl> wrote in message ' news:3FDF69E6.8070807@elka.pw.edu.pl... H > Your proposition is very good except one thing. It makes double numberA > of lisence I need in the system and that is the problem for me. # > Is there any other possibilities?  >  > Krzysztof Michalik >  > Syltrem wrote:. > > You mean, log everything you do in a file? > > . > > Usually you will have DECnet installed so: > > ! > > $ SET HOST 0 /OUT=LOGFILE.LOG 
 > > Username: 
 > > Password:  > >  > > do your things here  > >  > > $ LOGOUT > > - > > and everything is logged into LOGFILE.LOG  > >  > > HTH  > >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:01:55 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>) Subject: Re: Logging interactive sessions 6 Message-ID: <3FDFB913.41C3E000@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  	 km wrote:  > H > Your proposition is very good except one thing. It makes double numberA > of lisence I need in the system and that is the problem for me. # > Is there any other possibilities?   A Well, then explain what problem you are trying to solve and maybe % someone can suggest another solution.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:08:33 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>) Subject: Re: Logging interactive sessions 6 Message-ID: <3FDFBAA1.89D7BA95@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:  >  > You could do a couple things:  > F > - for a single session, do a SET HOST 0/LOG and that will record all >    terminal I/O. > H > - you could write a simple emulator using FT devices (psuedoterminals)" >    and have your users use that.  F There is also logger.c and/or alpha_logger.c in SYS$EXAMPLES, but this requires a terminal for input.  D Freeware authors take note (for those of us who lack the necessary C	 skills):    B Needed item: program to create a process connected to a FT term soE commands can be sent and output captured in a batch job or .COM proc.   F This would also replace HSDSA as one could then invoke SET HOST/DUP or /HSC and script the processing.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:25:17 +0100 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>) Subject: Re: Logging interactive sessions / Message-ID: <brosr7$q6g4@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>   	 km wrote: I > Your proposition is very good except one thing. It makes double number  A > of lisence I need in the system and that is the problem for me. # > Is there any other possibilities?  >  > Krzysztof Michalik >  > Syltrem wrote: > - >> You mean, log everything you do in a file?  >>- >> Usually you will have DECnet installed so:  >>  >> $ SET HOST 0 /OUT=LOGFILE.LOG >> Username: >> Password: >> >> do your things here >> >> $ LOGOUT  >>, >> and everything is logged into LOGFILE.LOG >> >> HTH >> > g I use a utility called LOGGER written by Forrest Kennedy, which spawns a subprocess and logs everything  in a file SESSION.LOG.& Here are the contents of the ZIP file:    D LOGGER -- log terminal sessions using the FT pseudo-terminal drivers Written by Forrest A. Kenney  $ Works on OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS AXP  ? (VMS file attributes saved---use UnZip v5.x+ on VMS to restore) ? (You can ignore any "VMS version mismatch" warnings from UnZip) !    Length     Date   Time    Name !   --------    ----   ----    ---- -        444  12-21-93 12:33   build_logger.com -      12800  12-21-93 12:30   logger.alpha_exe -      30858  12-21-93 12:28   logger.alpha_obj %      37220  12-21-92 19:57   logger.c '       6144  12-21-92 21:13   logger.exe '       7988  12-21-92 21:12   logger.obj $   --------                   -------$      95454                   6 files   --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards   3 Karl Rohwedder          | it-ingteam(at)t-online.de A                          | extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2003 14:37:20 -0800$ From: redram360@netzero.net (newbee) Subject: Mount= Message-ID: <5d8e5ad4.0312161437.70fe8733@posting.google.com>   C I'm trying to mount a device on a GESCAN system... When I do a show F dev, my two magnetic tape devices come back as MUA0... online  RMT0...8 offline.  How do I bring RMT0 online?  Thanks in advance   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:13:55 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> & Subject: RE: Multiple TCPIP interfacesR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB1E0E05@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----; > From: Grealy, Patrick [mailto:PGrealy@sph.uth.tmc.edu]=20 ! > Sent: December 16, 2003 1:48 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ > Subject: Multiple TCPIP interfaces >=20@ > We have a new cluster installation consisting of two DS10s.=20B > Each box has a single 10/100 network interface card with dual=20A > interfaces. We're using Compaq TCPIP 5.3 with OpenVMS 7.3-1.=20 ? > I'm wondering if this is for failover redundancy or can we=20 A > realize performance improvement by configuring both ports on=20 B > each machine. We currently have only one interface configured=203 > on each machine. Any suggestions? Thanks - Pat G.  >=20 >=20   Patrick,   Something to consider:  	 Option 1: D - upgrade to TCPIP V5.4 (avail/per reasons) and take advatage of new! fail-over and Ipsafe capabilities   	 Option 2:   F - upgrade to TCPIP V5.4 (perf reasons) and use one port on each systemF for cluster traffic and the other port for TCPIP traffic. That way youE can separate protocols for performance reasons i.e. some huge ftp job / will not impact cluster traffic communications.    Reference: V5.4 new features5 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/network/networks_brief.html    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:14:05 -0600 % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> & Subject: Re: Multiple TCPIP interfaces: Message-ID: <S0PDb.165034$M02.52987@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  : Grealy, Patrick <PGrealy@sph.uth.tmc.edu> wrote in messageF news:EEC575D39D864C4BBAE8CD309982B0F20816F8@sphnt33.sph.uth.tmc.edu...J We have a new cluster installation consisting of two DS10s. Each box has aF single 10/100 network interface card with dual interfaces. We're usingJ Compaq TCPIP 5.3 with OpenVMS 7.3-1. I'm wondering if this is for failoverH redundancy or can we realize performance improvement by configuring bothI ports on each machine. We currently have only one interface configured on . each machine. Any suggestions? Thanks - Pat G.    K It depends on what you are trying to do with the systems.  We use a cluster G crossover cable for our 2-node clusters.  This gives us cluster traffic > between the 2 nodes without any hardware switch/hub inbetween.  G We also have a Management/Backup network that only runs DECNET traffic.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:03:17 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.comE Subject: Multple ECOs in one recovery data set in command file update Q Message-ID: <OFEB13E2DB.59BEB213-ON85256DFE.0072B176-85256DFE.0074007C@metso.com>   1 Normally, I execute something like this to patch:   - $directory/column=1 sys$disk1:[upgrade]*.pcsi ( DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_DRIVER-V0100--4.PCSI;1% DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_SYS-V0500--4.PCSI;1    $ set def sys$disk1:[upgrade]  $!! 	 $set noon  $!! , $ DEFINE/SYSTEM AXPVMS$PCSI_LOG_TRACE "BOTH"0 $ DEFINE/SYSTEM AXPVMS$PCSI_EXECUTE_VERIFY "YES" $!!  $ DEFINE/SYS NO_ASK$BACKUP TRUE  $ DEFINE/SYS NO_ASK$REBOOT TRUE  $!? $ PROD INSTALL VMS731_DRIVER/PROD=DEC/BASE=AXPVMS/VER=V1.0/SAVE  $! $ DEASSIGN/SYS NO_ASK$BACKUP $ DEASSIGN/SYS NO_ASK$REBOOT $!!  $ DEFINE/SYS NO_ASK$BACKUP TRUE  $ DEFINE/SYS NO_ASK$REBOOT TRUE  $!< $ PROD INSTALL VMS731_SYS/PROD=DEC/BASE=AXPVMS/VER=V5.0/SAVE $! $ DEASSIGN/SYS NO_ASK$BACKUP $ DEASSIGN/SYS NO_ASK$REBOOT  - This creates two separate recovery data sets.   = Is there a way to use a wildcard and create a single recovery  data set with both ECOs in it:   $ set def sys$disk1:[upgrade]  [...] 9 $ PROD INSTALL * /PROD=DEC/BASE=AXPVMS/SAVE /VERSION=what ; or is /VERSION unneeded when only one version exists in the 
 directory?   Will this work?    -Norm    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:28:58 +0100 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>I Subject: Re: Multple ECOs in one recovery data set in command file update / Message-ID: <brot25$96n1@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:   3 > Normally, I execute something like this to patch:  > / > $directory/column=1 sys$disk1:[upgrade]*.pcsi * > DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_DRIVER-V0100--4.PCSI;1' > DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_SYS-V0500--4.PCSI;1  >  > $ set def sys$disk1:[upgrade]  > $!!  > $set noon  > $!! . > $ DEFINE/SYSTEM AXPVMS$PCSI_LOG_TRACE "BOTH"2 > $ DEFINE/SYSTEM AXPVMS$PCSI_EXECUTE_VERIFY "YES" > $!! ! > $ DEFINE/SYS NO_ASK$BACKUP TRUE ! > $ DEFINE/SYS NO_ASK$REBOOT TRUE  > $!A > $ PROD INSTALL VMS731_DRIVER/PROD=DEC/BASE=AXPVMS/VER=V1.0/SAVE  > $! > $ DEASSIGN/SYS NO_ASK$BACKUP > $ DEASSIGN/SYS NO_ASK$REBOOT > $!! ! > $ DEFINE/SYS NO_ASK$BACKUP TRUE ! > $ DEFINE/SYS NO_ASK$REBOOT TRUE  > $!> > $ PROD INSTALL VMS731_SYS/PROD=DEC/BASE=AXPVMS/VER=V5.0/SAVE > $! > $ DEASSIGN/SYS NO_ASK$BACKUP > $ DEASSIGN/SYS NO_ASK$REBOOT > / > This creates two separate recovery data sets.  > ? > Is there a way to use a wildcard and create a single recovery   > data set with both ECOs in it: >  > $ set def sys$disk1:[upgrade]  > [...] ; > $ PROD INSTALL * /PROD=DEC/BASE=AXPVMS/SAVE /VERSION=what = > or is /VERSION unneeded when only one version exists in the  > directory? >  > Will this work?  >  > -Norm  >  >  > \ I think, PRODUCT creates one recovery set per installation, regardless of how many patchkits are installed.   --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards   3 Karl Rohwedder          | it-ingteam(at)t-online.de A                          | extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:07:55 -0600 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>, Subject: Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS: Message-ID: <3fdf5815$0$1099$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>  K I compiled the c code with the /list/show=all qualifiers... included below:    >           13475 . >           13476 image_list card_images[] = {> >           13477   { "ac", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13478   { "ad", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13479   { "as", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13480   { "ah", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13481   { "2c", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13482   { "2d", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13483   { "2s", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13484   { "2h", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13485   { "3c", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13486   { "3d", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13487   { "3s", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13488   { "3h", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13489   { "4c", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13490   { "4d", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13491   { "4s", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13492   { "4h", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13493   { "5c", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13494   { "5d", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13495   { "5s", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13496   { "5h", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13497   { "6c", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13498   { "6d", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13499   { "6s", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13500   { "6h", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13501   { "7c", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13502   { "7d", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13503   { "7s", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13504   { "7h", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13505   { "8c", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13506   { "8d", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13507   { "8s", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13508   { "8h", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13509   { "9c", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13510   { "9d", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13511   { "9s", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13512   { "9h", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13513   { "0c", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13514   { "0d", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13515   { "0s", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13516   { "0h", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13517   { "jc", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13518   { "jd", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13519   { "js", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13520   { "jh", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13521   { "qc", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13522   { "qd", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13523   { "qs", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13524   { "qh", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13525   { "kc", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13526   { "kd", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13527   { "ks", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },> >           13528   { "kh", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },B >           13529   { "empty", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, empty_synth, 0 },@ >           13530   { "back", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, back_synth, 0 }, >           13531   { 0 }- >           13532 }; >           13533e5 >       1   13534 REGISTER_IMAGE_LIBRARY(card_images)e >                 1A  > %CC-E-NOSEMI, (1) Missing ";". >  >        E        static void __register() __attribute__((constructor)); static void __register() { _register_imagelib(card_images); } >           13535p >     . The _register_imagelib function is as follows:   >  > intS) > _register_imagelib (image_list *images)> > {V >   int i, j, k;" >   for (i=0; images[i].name; i++) >     {r$ >       images[i].next = image_root; >       image_root = images+i; >       for (j=0; j<3; j++) $ >         if (images[i].subimage[j]): >           for (k=0; images[i].subimage[j][k].width; k++) >             {v5 >               if (images[i].subimage[j][k+1].width)rP >                 images[i].subimage[j][k].next = images[i].subimage[j] + k + 1;9 >               images[i].subimage[j][k].list = images+i; 2 >               images[i].subimage[j][k].type = j; >             }k >     } 
 >   return 1;t > }nP >                                                                                   B It originally didn't have the "return 1;" in it, but the compiler @ complained so I put it in. Maybe I should return something else?  I In my search, I found that __attribute__ is a gnu cc compiler "hook?" to d>   tell the compiler how to treat the the function.. I think...   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:28:29 GMTk2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Merchandise? Message-ID: <x1JDb.130953$Vu5.8068432@twister.southeast.rr.com>a  J OK, I give, what do you want me to do?  Add more of a variety of shirts orJ items?  More logo wear?  If there's something some of you would like me toL add and you'd be willing to buy just let me know, I'll do my best to add it.  H Remember copyrights and trademarks.  I can't just go hog wild with other peoples logos.  J I'd be very willing to create catchy statements and the like for t-shirts.L I know John Smith can come up with several.  :)  BTW John,  I don't make anyC money off the merchandise, they're done by a company that employees-F handicapped individuals.  I let them keep the profit for their people." That's why I don't use Cafe Shops.   K:   -- Kenneth Farmer  <><e OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org.  EnterpriseUnix.org  |  Tru64.org            ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messagez7 news:f30679fb.0312130858.18ffdc9c@posting.google.com...a > Ken Farmer >A7 > What about improving some OpenVMS.org merchandising ?e >. > Check for example: > 6 > http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=gentoolinux >a9 > By the way there is a Gentoo Linux version for Alpha's.e > 7 > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-alpha-install.xmlp > 9 > I will try some day... when I finish to mount/refurbish  > my AS-1000 at home ! > 	 > Regardsd >t > FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:00:40 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o  Subject: Re: OpenVMS MerchandiseI Message-ID: <cgLDb.67616$NNW1.12678@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>0   Ken Farmer wrote:iB > OK, I give, what do you want me to do?  Add more of a variety ofE > shirts or items?  More logo wear?  If there's something some of you D > would like me to add and you'd be willing to buy just let me know, > I'll do my best to add it. > D > Remember copyrights and trademarks.  I can't just go hog wild with > other peoples logos. >TB > I'd be very willing to create catchy statements and the like forF > t-shirts. I know John Smith can come up with several.  :)  BTW John,G > I don't make any money off the merchandise, they're done by a companysE > that employees handicapped individuals.  I let them keep the profita6 > for their people. That's why I don't use Cafe Shops.     I'll see what I can do. ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2003 14:46:49 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: OpenVMS org= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312161446.2c537c1a@posting.google.com>v  } "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<brndto$5fgp1$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>...n > Tom Linden wrote:g? > > I do not believe it is all that important to advertise VMS, 
 >  per se. > >... > @ > Just last week I received an e-mail from a company asking if I@ > could help migrate their VMS/Alpha system to a PC. So I phoned > back to get some details;  >  > Why migrate? > ; > "VMS is dead, Compaq killed it last year, didn't you knowN > that!" > @ > Yet when Chris Brown was here for a visit a few weeks back, he@ > looked me straight in the eye when he said that HP does not do9 > product marketing so we will never see VMS advertising. > > SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THESE SMALL SITES THAT< > VMS IS STILL ALIVE AND KICKING! (sorry, I feel better now)  . It's okay. I can handle UPPERCASE LETTERS! :-)   Alan E. Feldmanm   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:38:26 GMT 3 From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@earthlink.nospamme>-< Subject: Re: OpenVMS, CSWS (apache), PHP and ... Rdb ???!!!!A Message-ID: <ScQDb.1244$wL6.377@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>e   Dieter Ro?bach wrote:r  G > You need Attunity Connect to connect php via ODBC to Rdb. You have tonC > set up sqlsrv as well. I did some tests with this environment, itoH > runs, but finally went to JSP and JDBC as the Attunity Connect is much > too expensive (for me).0     $$$ is definitely an issue !  G I want to know if any one is WRITING a direct (not ODBC) Rdb interface iI for php.  If not I have to decide if I am crazy enough to do this myself.   I There are 2 different Oracle interface to php (ORA and ORI).  The second  H I believe was actually written by Oracle.  It is highly touted on their J website, but the "ugly duckling" (Rdb) has no mention of any such efforts.   jp   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:34:01 GMT 3 From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@earthlink.nospamme>p< Subject: Re: OpenVMS, CSWS (apache), PHP and ... Rdb ???!!!!A Message-ID: <J8QDb.1226$wL6.942@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>    Gary Morin wrote: 	 > Jack --s >  > I have been using theuC > MySQL OpenVMS port running on MyAlpha :) for the Database class Ie > teach.  I Interesting, but I don't want to "port" the GB of data already in Rdb to .% "my squirrels".  We do need to talk !a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:30:13 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>* Subject: Re: OT: The Powerpoint generation0 Message-ID: <3FDF7964.1EAB2EB2@sture.homeip.net>   Alan E. Feldman wrote: > c > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<874qw2hs83.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...o4 > > spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > >D: > > > Steven Bitgood <steve@goodbits.com> wrote in message- > > > news:<3FDD02BB.2090308@goodbits.com>...  > >pI > > >> Anyone with an interest in the visual representation of data needsaG > > >> to review the work of Edward Tufte. The September issue of WiredoD > > >> magazine has his summary of his opinions on PowerPoint, and I > > >> highly recommend it.s > >o9 > > >> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/ppt2.htmlk > [...]u > >sG > > > BTW, I find it interesting that the "Previous Story" link on this,3 > > > page is called "Learning to Love PowerPoint".o > >m > G > > I found the adds for powerpuke at the bottom even more amusing. Andf" >                        ^^^^^^^^^ >  > LOL! Hilarious!N >  > [...]w    4 A question posed at someone's leaving do last year:   ) "What is Acme Corp's strategic platform?"  "OS/z, Solaris?" "No. MS Powerpoint."   -- '
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:11:11 GMT3( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on WintelpA Message-ID: <zFJDb.16572$P%1.15596662@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>e  L One person who is installing Windows hosted CharonVAXes says that he doesn'tB even bring up networking from the Windows side.  Says that runningG networking from the Windows side is just another possible (un)stabilityrC factor.  Tier 1 PC, with quality parts (and quality drivers) and nouK networking are his recommendation for a stable Windows platform for hostinghC CharonVAX.  No MS Office, no (heavens no) MS Outlook, no AIM, no MSe$ Messenger, no IE and no plugins.  ;)   Todd6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:3FDF3CB1.9000707@MMaz.com...  > Bob Koehler wrote: >nK > >   For those of you who have experience using Charon-VAX on Wintel boxest2 > >   in real world applications, a few questions: > >tI > >   With a single NIC I understand the Charon-VAX can't talk to WindowsoH > >   on the host, that's OK.  I could get anothr NIC if I decide I need	 > >   it.a > >g > >.E > Good, NIC's are cheap and you wouldn't want to do that, even if youc could... >lJ > >   Do they look like one IP address to the rest of the network, or two? > >l > > J > For your 'Windows NIC' you have the stacks you want bound to the adapter > (ie. TCP/IP, SMB, etc) >rE > For the NIC dedicated to Charon, you install the NDIS5 driver whichnF > Charon will latch to once running, and will allow any protocol stackI > that VMS runs to bind to that NIC (ie. DECnet, LAT, TCP/IP, LAVC, etc).a >tE > So no, the two NIC's in the machine cannot ultimately have the same J > TCP/IP address, that would be a disaster just as having two boxes on the0 > same network with the same IP would be a mess. > J > >   Are incoming connections simply always passed to VMS or do I have to1 > >   configure which services are passed to VMS?2 > >9 > >p, > Mentioned already with the NDIS5 driver... > K > >   What happens to the Windows IP stack (which starts before Charon-VAX)tG > >   when I start DECnet on the Charon-VAX and change the MAC address? F > >   Does the ARP table somehow get updated?  (DECnet is not really a, > >   requirement, but LAT and MOM/MOP are.) > >e > > H > Nothing, again, because the NIC for Charon uses the NDIS5 driver which> > has no characterstics assigned to it, until Charon starts... >fC > >   Can I set up Windows, Charon-VAX, and VMS to all auto-boot onp > >   power-on of the PC?o > >h > >i > Yes! >iH > >   Currently my VAXen automatically backup to tape via BATCH, we just > >   change the tapes.s > > H > We did too on the old 'REAL' VAX and still do that today on the CharonD > system.  Charon allows you to configure your system so that the MKH > device links directly to the physical SCSI device of the tape drive onJ > the PC.  The only caveat is that you cannot expect to be able to use theJ > tape drive dedicated to Charon, for Windows stuff too.  This caveat alsoH > applies to CD/DVD, and Floppy media; You give it to Charon, you cannot > use it by Windows. >ID > For me, I insisted on the ability to use VMS BACKUP for backup andG > recovery and that method continues to work flawless.  There are other H > techniques, such as using Windows to backup to virtual container filesH > that Charon can represent as a physical disk, but I don't like that asF > it is an ALL or NOTHING backup/recovery process and still a two-step > approach.r >n5 > >If I back up to a tape emulation in a Windows file-G > >   is there something in Windows that will allow me to automaticallyeD > >   back this up to tape, or do I need to buy a third party backupG > >   package for Windows?  (I'm looking at using Charon-VAX's raw SCSI K > >   support so VMS can continue to automatically backup to tape instead.)o > >i > > I > Yes, use the raw SCSI approach rather than backing up to the container,gI > and then using Windows to backup that container (that is really messy).y >fK > >   Will HP sell me the "licence" to transfer unsupported versions of VMSe: > >   (6.1)?  Is Charon-VAX warranted to run with VMS 6.1? > >t > >p4 > Yes, provided you already retain valid licenses... >tH > Just remember, this is a 3100/98 model system, so you cannot expect toG > take MV2 licenses and make them work, it must be a machine within the @ > 'class', or bigger, that you are attempting to migrate from... >  > Barrye >0 > -- 3 > @ > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@ > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@ > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:36:44 +0100 2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintelp* Message-ID: <brnqkn$9ge$1@reader10.wxs.nl>  
 Solid advice.   H Most of the time, I only use the Windows stack during installation, for A convenience, copying files and virtual disks etc. After VMS runs 0H properly with it's own network stack, I leave the Windows network cable 
 unplugged.  F Sometimes, at the customers request, I "strip down" Windows, stopping B all services not necessary for CHARON-VAX operation. Save a lttle  memory, too...   konabear wrote:yN > One person who is installing Windows hosted CharonVAXes says that he doesn'tD > even bring up networking from the Windows side.  Says that runningI > networking from the Windows side is just another possible (un)stabilitylE > factor.  Tier 1 PC, with quality parts (and quality drivers) and nouM > networking are his recommendation for a stable Windows platform for hostingoE > CharonVAX.  No MS Office, no (heavens no) MS Outlook, no AIM, no MSr& > Messenger, no IE and no plugins.  ;) >  --  
 Wilm Boerhoute   w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl(    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:44:01 +0100 2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Winteli* Message-ID: <brnr2d$a2g$1@reader10.wxs.nl>  I Oh yeah, and about the hardware stuff: if you need your software support rF contracts honoured, you'll need a HP / Compaq / Digital PC as per the I transfer license. I recommend a server configuration, which mostly leads  F to a DL380 with two processors, two power units and (optional) 2 HBAs F for connection to a SAN. For smaller configurations, a DL360 will do, F not too much redundancy though. Mind you, this is for formal software B support reasons only. Any Tier 1 PC will make CHARON-VAX run fine.   konabear wrote: <   Tier 1 PC, with quality parts (and quality drivers) and noM > networking are his recommendation for a stable Windows platform for hostinga > CharonVAX. -- h
 Wilm Boerhoute   w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl(    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:19:36 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>m9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintelh' Message-ID: <3FDF76E8.4030300@MMaz.com>    konabear wrote:e  M >One person who is installing Windows hosted CharonVAXes says that he doesn'teC >even bring up networking from the Windows side.  Says that runningwH >networking from the Windows side is just another possible (un)stabilityD >factor.  Tier 1 PC, with quality parts (and quality drivers) and noL >networking are his recommendation for a stable Windows platform for hostingD >CharonVAX.  No MS Office, no (heavens no) MS Outlook, no AIM, no MS% >Messenger, no IE and no plugins.  ;)n >    >eH Generally speaking, I agree with everything you say but consider this.  I Charon IS a Windows program and if you have a Charon system running at a yF remote location, as I do, and something happens that prevents it from F starting, what are you going to do?  What happens if it is not even a F matter of something going wrong, but that you need to reconfigure and G add another virtual disk, or perhaps review the Charon logs or Windows nI Event Logs (ie for hardware issues)?  None of that can be done from VMS, c9 it MUST be done at the 'Windows' level (ie. the console).t  F So for us, our production system has just about every service MS ever I invented, turned off.  Besides Charon being installed and running, we do  E also have a neat program called VNC which requires TCP/IP running on  C Windows, but this allows us to remote into the system with minimal oH overhead, or risk, to the system and still be able to deal with all the I prior mentioned tasks that could not be done without an IP stack running t
 on Windows...d  I As an aside, I also run Charon on an undersized Windows 2000 Server with lD just about every service installed and running along with Firebird, C Thunderbird, Photoshop, Pagemaker, Dreamweaver, Acrobat, Micro$oft aG Office, DVD & CD burning software, dozens of telnet sessions, firewall >B monitoring software, etc. and 'generally speaking' Charon behaves  beautifully...  H So, in both an ideal situation, and a less than ideal situation, Charon G is a remarkable piece of software that I would love to be able to peak  3 under the hood and see how it does what it does :-)d  G Consider that I'm only a customer/end-user, not a VAR, so I receive no oH monitary gain by promoting Charon (just like I don't when I tell people I how great VMS is) but if you seriously need  to run VMS on VAX hardware, 0= but can't for what ever reason, this tool warrants a serious i investigation...   Barrye   -- D  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        r   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2003 15:22:48 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintelo3 Message-ID: <Afs3GXmrHIHy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <brnav4$s8f$1@reader11.wxs.nl>, Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl> writes:a > Bob Koehler wrote:      OK, more questions first:  F    How about VMS 5.5-2?  I thought I saw that 5.5-2H2 was required forG    at least one of the Charon-VAXen.  I don't have an H2 kit.  Will one     of them run 5.5-2?w  K >>    What happens to the Windows IP stack (which starts before Charon-VAX)rG >>    when I start DECnet on the Charon-VAX and change the MAC address?tF >>    Does the ARP table somehow get updated?  (DECnet is not really a, >>    requirement, but LAT and MOM/MOP are.) > I > With MAC address changes caused by VMS/DECnet, the Windows stack knows gJ > nothing of this. The VMS stack does need to take this into account, but I > the requirements and provisions are those of a real VAX/VMS system, as hK > if Windows weren't there. CHARON-VAX ethernet emulator has parameters in  0 > the config file to direct MAC address changes. >   F    Make sense if I'm using two NICs, but I'm not sure I follow (out of0    curiousity how it works if I'm using one NIC.  C >>    Can I set up Windows, Charon-VAX, and VMS to all auto-boot on  >>    power-on of the PC?- > D > Yes. Boot Windows, put the CHARON application in the startup area G > (either foreground or with the latest versions run it as a service). rE > Once the application starts, VAX boot behaviour is directed by the >J > emulated halt/boot switch and the ROM boot flags, i.e., again identical  > to the real VAXenf  F    OK, I know where Windows put's each user's startup (on login area),(    but where's the startup on boot area?  A > Tape image emulation is currently only supported in CHARON-VAX uK > Industrial (Q-bus VAX, 3600 type), so I'll assume you want that. Sharing /F > the same SCSI tape between Windows and CHARON-VAX VMS is not a good I > idea. There is no way to coordinate acess to the tape from Windows and eF > VMS. What you can do with CHARON-VAX Industrial is backup to a tape H > image file, use the CHARON-VAX console (not the VMS OPA0 console!) to G > unload the tape manually, like a real physical unload, and then this  K > Windows file is available in the Windows environment for backup. Use the /F > bult-in Windows backup to put this file on tape. You need a Windows J > driver for your SCSI tape device in this case. Alternate solution is to I > forget about Windows backup and allocate the SCSI tape device directly LE > to VMS, and $BACKUP to tape directly. Works fine for my CHARON-VAX oF > customers. You don't need Windows drivers for your SCSI tape at all.  ?    I have no need for Windows to access the tape, so that's OK.n  K > CHARON-VAX comes with a handy set of tools for manipulating disk images, e3 > creating virtual disks from physical devices etc.  > K >>    Will HP sell me the "licence" to transfer unsupported versions of VMSt: >>    (6.1)?  Is Charon-VAX warranted to run with VMS 6.1? > G > Yes. Mind you, these are transfer licenses, you need an original VMS aI > license appropriate for the model emulated (3100-98 or 3600). It's not wI > the VMS versions that are unsupported, HP just won't sell any software DK > support contracts for older versions. VMS 6.1 will run fine like it does e > on your real VAX.i  :    Shouldn't be a problem, the real VAXen are 4000 series.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2003 15:25:37 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)u9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintelu3 Message-ID: <KkNvaDGotmde@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3FDF3CB1.9000707@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  > Bob Koehler wrote: > G >>   Currently my VAXen automatically backup to tape via BATCH, we justE >>   change the tapes.   >>I > We did too on the old 'REAL' VAX and still do that today on the Charon eE > system.  Charon allows you to configure your system so that the MK  I > device links directly to the physical SCSI device of the tape drive on  K > the PC.  The only caveat is that you cannot expect to be able to use the +K > tape drive dedicated to Charon, for Windows stuff too.  This caveat also mI > applies to CD/DVD, and Floppy media; You give it to Charon, you cannot - > use it by Windows.  <    That's cool.  I really don't want Windows to do anything.  E > For me, I insisted on the ability to use VMS BACKUP for backup and 0H > recovery and that method continues to work flawless.  There are other I > techniques, such as using Windows to backup to virtual container files -I > that Charon can represent as a physical disk, but I don't like that as  G > it is an ALL or NOTHING backup/recovery process and still a two-step   > approach.   J    Right, I know I don't want to backup the disk images as the most common0    restore request is for that one deleted file.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2003 15:27:05 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel,3 Message-ID: <3Bq4pD3zxycZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  l In article <zFJDb.16572$P%1.15596662@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> writes:N > One person who is installing Windows hosted CharonVAXes says that he doesn'tD > even bring up networking from the Windows side.  Says that runningI > networking from the Windows side is just another possible (un)stabilitygE > factor.  Tier 1 PC, with quality parts (and quality drivers) and no M > networking are his recommendation for a stable Windows platform for hostingiE > CharonVAX.  No MS Office, no (heavens no) MS Outlook, no AIM, no MSt& > Messenger, no IE and no plugins.  ;) >   G    No MS nothing, except Windows itself.  I suspect my security "gurus"pJ    will be easier to deal with if I can let them network scan the Windows A    side.  And my PC support guy will get dizzy without a network.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:31:37 +0100r2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintelo* Message-ID: <brntrt$hhv$1@reader10.wxs.nl>  H For remote management, the HP Proliant servers include an "ILO"-port, a G third ethernet interface that is connected to the Windows console, and e? with some extra software can be use to do "out-of-band" remote fI management. Another reason to choose a Proliant as CHARON host, although o2 I assume other A-brands have similar capabilities.   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:    J > Generally speaking, I agree with everything you say but consider this.  K > Charon IS a Windows program and if you have a Charon system running at a :H > remote location, as I do, and something happens that prevents it from H > starting, what are you going to do?  What happens if it is not even a H > matter of something going wrong, but that you need to reconfigure and I > add another virtual disk, or perhaps review the Charon logs or Windows $K > Event Logs (ie for hardware issues)?  None of that can be done from VMS,  ; > it MUST be done at the 'Windows' level (ie. the console).@   -- .
 Wilm Boerhout.   w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl(    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:54:37 -0700g+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>n9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintele' Message-ID: <3FDF7F1D.3040407@MMaz.com>o   Wilm Boerhout wrote:  H > For remote management, the HP Proliant servers include an "ILO"-port, G > a third ethernet interface that is connected to the Windows console, iE > and with some extra software can be use to do "out-of-band" remote tB > management. Another reason to choose a Proliant as CHARON host, = > although I assume other A-brands have similar capabilities.a >pG If it is another NIC, that means that software, somewhere, is going to -G have to interface with Windows -- Isn't this 6 one way, half-dozen the   other? M   BarryO   > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: >m > D >> Generally speaking, I agree with everything you say but consider F >> this.  Charon IS a Windows program and if you have a Charon system E >> running at a remote location, as I do, and something happens that VI >> prevents it from starting, what are you going to do?  What happens if eG >> it is not even a matter of something going wrong, but that you need SF >> to reconfigure and add another virtual disk, or perhaps review the H >> Charon logs or Windows Event Logs (ie for hardware issues)?  None of E >> that can be done from VMS, it MUST be done at the 'Windows' level   >> (ie. the console).S >A >P   -- S  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        $   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:49:57 -0800t# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>r9 Subject: RE: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Winteli9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAENDIKAA.tom@kednos.com>V  ? I just went through a similar excercise using Linux and anotheroC emulator, and what I did was to assign a static ip to one nic and a-G non-routable to the other (I use static ips) 192.168.x.x and then afteraD I booted VMS I assigned another static ip to the ethernet controller* which had the non-routable ip under Linux.     >-----Original Message-----$1 >From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@MMaz.com]c) >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:55 PMn >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: >Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel >V >3 >Wilm Boerhout wrote:1 > I >> For remote management, the HP Proliant servers include an "ILO"-port,  H >> a third ethernet interface that is connected to the Windows console, F >> and with some extra software can be use to do "out-of-band" remote C >> management. Another reason to choose a Proliant as CHARON host, !> >> although I assume other A-brands have similar capabilities. >>H >If it is another NIC, that means that software, somewhere, is going to H >have to interface with Windows -- Isn't this 6 one way, half-dozen the  >other?  >  >Barry >L >> Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:V >> >>E >>> Generally speaking, I agree with everything you say but consider $G >>> this.  Charon IS a Windows program and if you have a Charon system eF >>> running at a remote location, as I do, and something happens that J >>> prevents it from starting, what are you going to do?  What happens if H >>> it is not even a matter of something going wrong, but that you need G >>> to reconfigure and add another virtual disk, or perhaps review the  I >>> Charon logs or Windows Event Logs (ie for hardware issues)?  None of  F >>> that can be done from VMS, it MUST be done at the 'Windows' level  >>> (ie. the console). >> >> >h >--  >a? >Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com ? >Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320 ? >Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028  >                        >< >r >s >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.g; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).dA >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003f >s ---n& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:00:01 -0500 ) From: "Jim Jennis" <jhjennis@shentel.net> = Subject: Problem with Tomcat V 3.2.4 "Unable to Rename class" / Message-ID: <vtv021efvr4c1a@corp.supernews.com>    Hi All, J I have installed Tomcat 3.2.4 on OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3.1. I have only an ODS-2I file system so I cannot use more recent versions. I built the default jsp,L examples and they all seem to work correctly, however, when I built my firstE small jsp application, and tried to run it I got the following error:s  > org.apache.jasper.JasperException: Unable to rename class fileL /sys$common/apache/jakarta/work/localhost_8080%2Fsefljsp/_0002fclaimsResult_# 0002ejspclaimsResult_jsp_0.class to,L /sys$common/apache/jakarta/work/localhost_8080%2Fsefljsp/_0002fclaimsResult_ 0002ejspclaimsResult.classG  at org.apache.jasper.compiler.Compiler.compile(Compiler.java, Compileds Code)a  L This looked like a permissions problem, so I  checked all my config files onK Tomcat (server.xml, tomcat.policy) and everything seems to be in order. Hasr anyone seen this behavior?    Thanks in advance for your help!  
 Jim Jennis  ! Jim Jennis, Integration Architect  WRQ Consulting Services, Inc.  124 Old Forest Circlee Winchester, VA. 22602 USA.   Phone: +1-540-723-0157 FAX: +1-206-272-1394 Email:jimj@wrq.com       jhjennis@shentel.net WEB: http://www.wrq.com/  . WRQ - Access. Integrate. Transform Since 19813 ---------------------------------------------------r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:31:03 -0500e3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>p( Subject: Re: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX0 Message-ID: <N6KdnROdfqgF5EKiRVn-vg@comcast.com>   A good thought Wayne,e  I If VMS thinks it doesn't have a driver; e.g. the device ID doesn't match 9F anything it knows about, it will just give up.  If that device is the D SCSI controller for your system disk, it will start to boot and die F shortly after displaying the VMS banner.  Just for grins, I plugged a D Sun dual UWSE SCSI card into an Alphastation 200 4/166 and saw just @ that.  The console prom knew it was a SCSI host adapter and was H perfectly happy to read in the boot block but when VMS needed to load a  driver for it, THE END.d   Wayne Sewell wrote:o  ( >>From: Tor Arne Rein <tarein@online.no> >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmss* >>Subject: Re: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX >>     >> >, >  I >n >>Richard B. Gilbert wrote:o >>     >>J >>>I have no experience with the unsupported machines.  I wanted machines H >>>that worked and bought them that way.   I'll look at the V6.5 CD the F >>>next time I'm near it and see if it has any firmware for the 164LX. >>>tJ >>>Your best bet, however, would be to find the HP/Compaq/DEC firmware on L >>>their web site and  download the latest and greatest for  your machine.  L >>>I'd suggest using Google to search for it; the HP search engine couldn't   >>>find its ass with both hands! >>> 	 >>>        >>>f	 >>Thanks,  >>F >>I have found ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/v6.6/ H >>there the newest versions for my machine is still 5.8. And the latest  >>for others are upto 6.6. >>H >>But someone mentioned something about an unsupported firmware update, . >>but I haven't found that yet. Still looking. >>     >> >  >oG >I really don't think firmware is the cause of your problem.  As I said M >elsewhere in the thread, the 164LX *can* run V7.3-1 using the latest/(last?)tM >firmware.  I just did it, installing vms on a spare disk as a test.  PerhapsuM >something else in your configuration is the cause of the failure.  The 164LXnL >motherboard was used only in clones never intended to run vms.  Each one isP >different.  Some can run vms.  Others probably can't, due to scsi controller or >who knows what. >g >fP >===============================================================================O >Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.comi< >http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   P >===============================================================================I >Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy." 2 >   Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!" >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:45:18 -0800e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s( Subject: RE: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGENCIKAA.tom@kednos.com>c  D I believe Tor said that it had booted Tru64, and based your comments@ it is likely that it is an incompatible scsi controller for VMS.   >-----Original Message------9 >From: Richard B. Gilbert [mailto:rgilbert88@comcast.net]r) >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:31 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com) >Subject: Re: Problems with 7.3 and 164LXe >  >s >A good thought Wayne, >rJ >If VMS thinks it doesn't have a driver; e.g. the device ID doesn't match G >anything it knows about, it will just give up.  If that device is the OE >SCSI controller for your system disk, it will start to boot and die aG >shortly after displaying the VMS banner.  Just for grins, I plugged a  E >Sun dual UWSE SCSI card into an Alphastation 200 4/166 and saw just sA >that.  The console prom knew it was a SCSI host adapter and was hI >perfectly happy to read in the boot block but when VMS needed to load a s >driver for it, THE END. >d >Wayne Sewell wrote: >l) >>>From: Tor Arne Rein <tarein@online.no>P >>>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms+ >>>Subject: Re: Problems with 7.3 and 164LXa >>>    g >>>o >> >>   >> >>>Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >>>    n >>>cK >>>>I have no experience with the unsupported machines.  I wanted machines tI >>>>that worked and bought them that way.   I'll look at the V6.5 CD the mG >>>>next time I'm near it and see if it has any firmware for the 164LX.k >>>>K >>>>Your best bet, however, would be to find the HP/Compaq/DEC firmware on  C >>>>their web site and  download the latest and greatest for  your V >machine.  oD >>>>I'd suggest using Google to search for it; the HP search engine 
 >couldn't ! >>>>find its ass with both hands!e >>>>
 >>>>       >>>>
 >>>Thanks, >>>sG >>>I have found ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/v6.6/ oI >>>there the newest versions for my machine is still 5.8. And the latest o >>>for others are upto 6.6.a >>> I >>>But someone mentioned something about an unsupported firmware update,  / >>>but I haven't found that yet. Still looking.o >>>      >>>a >> >>H >>I really don't think firmware is the cause of your problem.  As I said@ >>elsewhere in the thread, the 164LX *can* run V7.3-1 using the  >latest/(last?)t@ >>firmware.  I just did it, installing vms on a spare disk as a  >test.  PerhapstD >>something else in your configuration is the cause of the failure.  > The 164LXsB >>motherboard was used only in clones never intended to run vms.   >Each one isD >>different.  Some can run vms.  Others probably can't, due to scsi  >controller or >>who knows what.i >> >>D >>================================================================== >============== >>Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   C >wayne@tachysoft.com= >>http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    D >>================================================================== >=============J >>Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."3 >>   Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"i >>   >> >s >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.s; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003H >e --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2003 17:28:46 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)( Subject: RE: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX3 Message-ID: <7ewQkTfGuzVF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGENCIKAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:AF > I believe Tor said that it had booted Tru64, and based your commentsB > it is likely that it is an incompatible scsi controller for VMS. >   I I've had situations where setups that worked fine in OSF/1, T64, wouldn't-I boot VMS.  Usually a SCSI termination problem.  The system would see the 7H controller and disks fine with the SRM and then bugcheck on boot.  Also F check the pk* console variables.  I had a problem where pka0_soft_term( was set to something incompatiable, too.   Just another thing to consider.X   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:31:50 -0800o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ( Subject: RE: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICENGIKAA.tom@kednos.com>t  F I have two identical alphas one for VMS and the other for Tru64, and II once jotted down the diffs in the console env variables and the only ones, that were differentu   boot_osflags	0,0		A  os_type		OpenVMS	Unixi  G Now I have two other systems again one with unix and the other with VMS 4 and in this case I note that the unix system reports   bash-2.05b# consvar -g os_type os_type = OpenVMSt# bash-2.05b# consvar -g boot_osflags  boot_osflags = 0,0  @ So Unix doesn't seem to care, but maybe the reverse is not true?       >-----Original Message-----u< >From: Marty Kuhrt [mailto:kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org]) >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:29 PMr >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com) >Subject: RE: Problems with 7.3 and 164LXe >s >o@ >In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGENCIKAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom ! >Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:DG >> I believe Tor said that it had booted Tru64, and based your commentsbC >> it is likely that it is an incompatible scsi controller for VMS., >> s >-J >I've had situations where setups that worked fine in OSF/1, T64, wouldn'tJ >boot VMS.  Usually a SCSI termination problem.  The system would see the I >controller and disks fine with the SRM and then bugcheck on boot.  Also eG >check the pk* console variables.  I had a problem where pka0_soft_termn) >was set to something incompatiable, too.  >t  >Just another thing to consider. >a >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.t; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003o >e --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:44:01 +0100 & From: Tor Arne Rein <tarein@online.no>( Subject: Re: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX2 Message-ID: <lHNDb.6165$n31.104722@news2.e.nsc.no>  G Thanks all, I'll try a different mix of SCSI controllers/disks. I have tH some NCR/SYM based controllers I can try (810/875), I'll also verify my 
 env settings.m  D Can the native VMS CD-ROM driver cause problems also, I'm currently E using a no name SCSI CD-ROM ? Should I try my Plextor CD-RW instead ?m   Tor Arne   Tom Linden wrote: H > I have two identical alphas one for VMS and the other for Tru64, and IK > once jotted down the diffs in the console env variables and the only ones  > that were differentt >  > boot_osflags	0,0		Ag > os_type		OpenVMS	Unix  > I > Now I have two other systems again one with unix and the other with VMSh6 > and in this case I note that the unix system reports >   > bash-2.05b# consvar -g os_type > os_type = OpenVMSh% > bash-2.05b# consvar -g boot_osflagsf > boot_osflags = 0,0 > B > So Unix doesn't seem to care, but maybe the reverse is not true? >  >  >  >  >>-----Original Message-----= >>From: Marty Kuhrt [mailto:kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org]u* >>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:29 PM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd* >>Subject: RE: Problems with 7.3 and 164LX >> >>A >>In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGENCIKAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom  " >>Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: >>G >>>I believe Tor said that it had booted Tru64, and based your commentsTC >>>it is likely that it is an incompatible scsi controller for VMS.W >>>e >>K >>I've had situations where setups that worked fine in OSF/1, T64, wouldn'teK >>boot VMS.  Usually a SCSI termination problem.  The system would see the nJ >>controller and disks fine with the SRM and then bugcheck on boot.  Also H >>check the pk* console variables.  I had a problem where pka0_soft_term* >>was set to something incompatiable, too. >>! >>Just another thing to consider.h >> >>--- ( >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B >>Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003 >> >  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003 >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:17:21 GMTV# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMStK Message-ID: <5TIDb.50548$%TO.31446@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>r   Rob Young wrote: > In articleF > <DGEDb.63283$NNW1.42291@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John! > Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >> Rob Young wrote:M >>> In articleH >>> <gXnDb.45955$NNW1.34486@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John# >>> Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:T >>>> Rob Young wrote:  >>>>> In articleE >>>>> <sa%Cb.16837$%TO.3822@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, + >>>>> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >>>>>> Mike Naime wrote: >>>>>- >>>>>>F >>>>>> You might say - bring HP in to help out. No f!cking way at thisH >>>>>> point. HP should have been doing what they should have been doingE >>>>>> long ago - advertising to prime the pump. The marketing droidshG >>>>>> they have hereabouts are useless, with minimal VMS knowledge andd> >>>>>> would only screw up my carefully laid efforts thus far. >>>>>> >>>>>eC >>>>> Why not bring them in?  Carly is interested in OpenVMS sales:t >>>>>t8 >>>>> http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20031212S0009 >>>>>nG >>>>> "Shannon said HP is heavily committed to the Alpha line and noteda >>>>> that HP's CEOcB >>>>> Carly Fiorina has made several customer calls to close Alpha >>>>> sales" >>>> >>>>B >>>> I consider advertising and decent marketing a more convincingC >>>> commitment to the future of VMS than any words carly(tm) might"E >>>> utter in a closed door meeting with my client unless those wordsnG >>>> were tape recorded and came with a severe financial penalty clauseb2 >>>> if they weren't honored fully (EV79 anyone?). >>>> >>>tA >>> So you are buying into what Gartner espouses?  They have beenrB >>> writing VMS off in one form or other since the early nineties.= >>> So how would or how does your probability factor stack upn@ >>> to Gartner's?  Since they have been wrong several times (andB >>> they do prognostication/analysis for a living which makes them@ >>> "experts"), why should they be any less/more believable than >>> your dour assessment?a >>>o@ >>> You see, it is still around and yet you can go back and read* >>> silly little Gartner blurbs like this: >>>wD >>> "OpenVMS customers heavily dependent on third-party applications
 >>> shouldF >>> immediately begin exploring migration options with an objective of
 >>> movingF >>> most key packaged applications off the OpenVMS platform by the end
 >>> of 2001.") >>>n1 >>>    Gartner Group senior IT analyst Tom Henkelo >>>    1999n >>> D >>> Which sounds a WHOLE lot more entertaining than your drizzle and >>> yet amounts to the same. >>>aF >>> They were championing "migration" away from VMS (by 2001 no less).& >>> You too buy into the Gartner myth. >> >> >> You don't get it Rob. >> >  > Sure I do! > 3 > We WILL talk past each other for quite some time!r >gA >> By not advertising VMS and creating awareness and TRUST in therF >> marketplace, selling a VMS-based solution is an extremely difficult% >> prospect when the customer thinks:. >h >> a) VMS is dead, or  >t= > There you go - just as I predicted, full blown whiner mode.: >1: >> b) why should we buy something we've never heard of, or > = > Ummm... because it is the best solution for the problem youe< > are trying to solve?  I learn about solutions for problems > nearly every day.  >s; > Quick - suppose you are trying to get more mileage out ofaA > your monolithic storage infrastructure, what is a good solutionS
 > and why? > @ >> c) Digital/Compaq/HP have flip-flopped so many times on theirF >> commitment to VMS and done nothing public to dispell the FUD (theirE >> words, not mine), so why should we (the customer) put our necks onr >> the line for HP?e >a@ > Ummm... because you are not alone and there are many customers? > much larger than you that are using VMS as a back-end and arel > quite content and growing. >c >>G >> On a technical basis alone, VMS is a great decision for my customer,jD >> perhaps the best possible choice they can make - and that's why IE >> recommend it to them. But purchasing decisions are made up of more3D >> than just tech specs, and that's where HP fails miserably - maybeG >> not for existing VMS customers but most certainly and most regularly, >> for *new* customers.h >> > ? > Corrrect.  Technical specs don't make the day, even they they = > mostly should.  Often it is golf outtings, site visits with * > fat steaks, and don't forget the shirts! >dB >> Don't even try to say that VMS has some impressive wins lately,E >> because that doesn't cut it with my customer. They aren't stupid -,F >> they just happen to look at trends too. HP isn't selling enough newD >> VMS licences to existing and new customers to halt the erosion of >> the customer base.0 >0H > How do you know they aren't selling enough new licences?  And quantify > "enough".  >  >> How many moreG >> *years* will the 411,000 installed system count be trotted out - the1C >> world knows that number is just as 'cooked' as the voter turnout0 >> percentage of< >> 99.98% voting 100% in favor of Joe Stalin. So the fear ofD >> prospective *new* customers is that why invest new money in a new> >> system running VMS when we have no prior investment in thatE >> technology to 'protect' when we have a rational and arguably valid F >> fear that real 'support' (in all senses of the word) for VMS is notE >> firm at HP. Effective advertising and marketing goes a long way in 6 >> overcoming that perception, but HP doesn't do that. >1? > One good simple counter-example.  JSTARS has really only been @ > shipping since about a 1998 timeframe.  It is a billion dollarD > program.  There are defense commitments and we can bore each otherB > with trotting them out, that REQUIRE long-term support (up to 20	 > years)., > @ > Since it is good enough for a program that makes your needs to0 > appear miniscule, why not good enough for you? >0! > "Because they don't advertize."  >3 > Yep - knew that. >0 > Whaa whaa whaa.     J I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you Rob because mine's bigger anyway.   > **************************************************************  E The nuclear industry has a finite number of customers for reactors as1K comparted to the general purpose computing customer base - the 'nucs' still ; advertise to their prospective customers in trade journals.0  K The military aircraft manufacturers of all nations have a limited number ofhJ possible customers (orders of magnitude fewer than possible numbers of VMSC customers), yet they all advertise in the appropriate magazines and L newspapers when they have a point they want to make to a navy or airforce or governement generally.  J How many customers are there of $100MM regional jets? The manufacturers of= these advertise in the appropriate trade mags and newspapers.s  J All of the foregoing advertising examples are in addition to demos, lunch,( golf & martini's, t-shirts, and hookers.  @ ****************************************************************  G JSTARS may be a multi-billion program but VMS is only a tiny portion ofoL that, not enough on its own to keep OVMS Engineering doors open for the nextH 20 years. HP may be on the hook for that timeframe whether they make anyI money at it or not. That's called commitment. I stand to be corrected but H OVMS in JSTARS is effectively an embedded system, with far fewer changesK required to the o/s vs. the application programs as compared to competitivegC pressures in the commercial o/s space requiring 'leap frog' featuren enhancements to the o/s.  I So where is the next JSTARS equivalent 'win' for VMS? The last 'win', thei/ JSTARS contract itself, was about 10 years ago.e    A *****************************************************************e  F The bottom line is that for every VMS defection, HP has to get anotherG customer for the same number of or more systems installed just to stand J still in both customer numbers, deployed systems, and revenue. In order toF grow the VMS market HP has to do better than that. Without advertising. neither will occur. And that is Marketing 101.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:30:37 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSi- Message-ID: <87zndsmug2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>l  - young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:r  @ > 	One good simple counter-example.  JSTARS has really only beenA > 	shipping since about a 1998 timeframe.  It is a billion dollar ? > 	program.  There are defense commitments and we can bore eachl? > 	other with trotting them out, that REQUIRE long-term supporte > 	(up to 20 years).  A > 	Since it is good enough for a program that makes your needs tot1 > 	appear miniscule, why not good enough for you?p  8 Fine Rob, I'll do your VMS support for you for 20 years.  2 That will be $500,000,000 in advance, cash only :)   -- b< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:41:16 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS-/ Message-ID: <3FDF7BFC.6C94E03@sture.homeip.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:nZAYxFukmHt5@eisner.encompasserve.org...4 > >rA > > Why not bring them in?  Carly is interested in OpenVMS sales:t > >o6 > > http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20031212S0009 > >?J > > "Shannon said HP is heavily committed to the Alpha line and noted that
 > HP's CEOG > > Carly Fiorina has made several customer calls to close Alpha sales"e > F > Gee, Rob - couldn't you have found an article that wasn't so clearly > clueless?  > M > Start with the opening sentence:  "When Hewlett-Packard announced this fall E > that the days of the Alpha processor were numbered, the machine wasaK > immediately in play."  Was this guy incommunicado in a cave for more thans& > two years starting on June 24, 2001? >   ) "...the machine was immediately in play"?d  ? Just curious, but that sounds like somebody interpreting from a- different language to me.e     -- 2
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:46:20 -0500S< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSs9 Message-ID: <brnqut$5cmn9$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>8   Bill Gunshannon wrote: >...> > All of the hospitals around here (and because of the largely elderlye= > population we have way too many) changed from VMS (yes, thee	 WERE VMS)a> > to Windows several years ago.  I remember going into one and noticing > ...h  > There are two local hospitals that I know of who were VMS back> in 97/98, now they are not. I interviewed at one for a job and= I was told then that they sometimes helped the other hospitala; when needed, but both were paying for Hardware and Softwared support from DEC.c  3 To repeat myself from another thread earlier today;O> Just last week I received an e-mail from a company asking if I> could help migrate their VMS/Alpha system to a PC. So I phoned back to get some details;S   Why migrate?  9 "VMS is dead, Compaq killed it last year, didn't you know  that!"  = Rob, HP does not need the Gartner Group to kill VMS, they are. doing fine themselves.   -- S Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.g Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXs www.weaverconsulting.can   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2003 15:48:03 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)p1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSm3 Message-ID: <QzGjCIZXu1ZO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <brnqut$5cmn9$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  5 > To repeat myself from another thread earlier today;n@ > Just last week I received an e-mail from a company asking if I@ > could help migrate their VMS/Alpha system to a PC. So I phoned > back to get some details;y >  > Why migrate? > ; > "VMS is dead, Compaq killed it last year, didn't you know( > that!" > ? > Rob, HP does not need the Gartner Group to kill VMS, they are- > doing fine themselves. >   7 	Well, there are misinformed people all over the place.m  < 	When someone is misinformed, you can politely correct them.; 	If they insist on being ignorant (or stupid), you could bei: 	bothersome and cc: superiors in reponse to show that they6 	are clearly in the wrong - they usally get the point.  = 	To say something is dead and it isn't, is a lie.  DeliberatewG 	or otherwise.  To promote or ignore a lie is damaging (either through n/ 	omission to correct, or promotion of the lie).   1 	Now I know kids believe in the Santa Claus "lie"S> 	and some parents encourage that false belief.  So maybe it is; 	a "Santa Claus" effect that this is all about, and "that's @ 	okay?"   Something the ill-informed person you spoke with will = 	evntually grow up and understand as a lie?  How old was thato( 	person you were exchanging e-mail with?   				Rob:   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:41:31 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSe( Message-ID: <3FDF7C09.31D2A38@istop.com>   Rob Young wrote:H >         Ummm... because you are not alone and there are many customersG >         much larger than you that are using VMS as a back-end and are $ >         quite content and growing.    N After it hit the iceberg, the Titanic was still the most luxurious ship, stillL had power, kitchens, bars, musicians, heating, toilets etc. And for a while,M people weren't even aware that the ship's captain and crew near him knew thatnN the ship was sinking. Passengers had been told so many times that the ship wasJ unsinkable by ship management... Ship management wasn't about to tell them# that the ship was actually sinking.r  M However, someone wishing transportation would take a hard look at the Titanic J and realise that over time, it was slowly going under and eventually wouldK sink. For a short term "good time", he could still board the ship and enjoy L the food, music, luxury but he knew that eventually, he'd have to jump ship.  N Yes, VMS is technically very interesting. But you cannot deny that it has goneI down from its heydays and that the perception is that VMS has a shrinkingeG customer base, and by that, I mean a customer base who are still addingyE applications, spending money to grow their VMS systems, as opposed to N customers who are putting all new applications on a different platform becauseM they have decided that VMS was no longer a viable solution for the long term. L And because software vendors see this trend, they also pull out of VMS sinceJ they doN't see a growing market potential. (Oracle and SAP being very goodN examples). That pull out from software vendors re-enforces customer pull outs.  N HP must at the very least plug the hole and hope that the VMS pumps can repairJ all the damage caused by the water which HP/Compaq/Digital management have allowed to enter.t  J Unfortunatly, HP management are denying there is a hole and behaving as ifI everything was fine and dandy with VMS and that VMS is so healthy that ito( doesn't need any mention or advertising.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:57:34 -0500.* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <3FDF7FCB.9F52856F@istop.com>l   John Smith wrote:sL > How many customers are there of $100MM regional jets? The manufacturers of? > these advertise in the appropriate trade mags and newspapers.a  K Airbus has active TV advertising on television in Europe. You can go to theeM airbus web site to view those ads (some of which are pretty good). DefinitelyiI aimed at the general public. Why ? Because it creates the perception that J Airbus jets are more comfortable, quieter etc than other jets. And it also6 reaches those decision makers since they too watch TV.  N When the time comes to choose a jet where the 2 big manufacturers provide moreK or less equal value, then public perception starts to matter.  The decisiontI makers know that if they choose Airbus, they not only benefit from a good N public perception now, but since Airbus is likely to continue to advertise itsS "better" planes, each airline that buys airbus continues to benefit from those ads.     L Bringing this back to IT/VMS: if it were advertised openly (lets say on TV),N then when the VMS loyalists tries to pitch a VMS solution to upper management,J since upper management would have seen the VMS ads, they would be far moreL inclined to accept that solution. If all upper managemnent has heard is talkL of VMS being retired, Gartner recommendations to not only avoid VMS but alsoI to start migrating from VMS ASAP, then upper management will tell the VMSy- loyalist to come back with a viable solution.d  L I the real world, VMS has a very bad image.  It has been declared dead, old,I legacy and even proprietary. Digital, then Compaq and now HP have done 0,iL nothing to fix that. In fact, Comapq and HP have strenghtened the image thatM VSM was dying due to their inaction at a time when the world was listening to 1 see what HP woudl do with its inherited products.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:07:59 -0500o< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS 9 Message-ID: <brnvo1$5fnq9$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>t   Rob Young wrote:; > In article <brnqut$5cmn9$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>,p "Peter9 > Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:o >i6 >> To repeat myself from another thread earlier today;< >> Just last week I received an e-mail from a company asking if I: >> could help migrate their VMS/Alpha system to a PC. So I phoned >> back to get some details; >> >> Why migrate?s >>< >> "VMS is dead, Compaq killed it last year, didn't you know	 >> that!"  >>< >> Rob, HP does not need the Gartner Group to kill VMS, they ares >> doing fine themselves.n >> >M8 > Well, there are misinformed people all over the place.  4 Yes, and HP is doing nothing to correct the problem.  = > When someone is misinformed, you can politely correct them.e< > If they insist on being ignorant (or stupid), you could be; > bothersome and cc: superiors in reponse to show that theye7 > are clearly in the wrong - they usally get the point.   > The best way to inform them is for HP to ADVERTISE THAT VMS IS STILL HERE!8  > > To say something is dead and it isn't, is a lie.  Deliberate7 > or otherwise.  To promote or ignore a lie is damaging- (either through10 > omission to correct, or promotion of the lie).  ; Who told them that VMS was dead? HP did by not telling themf< that VMS was alive. HP is happy to continue, how did you put9 it, their "Omission to correct" the lie. And you are verye< right, that is a very damaging thing for HP to do, I am glad/ to see that you are finally agreeing with this.r  2 > Now I know kids believe in the Santa Claus "lie"< > and some parents encourage that false belief.  So maybe it is< > a "Santa Claus" effect that this is all about, and "that's; > okay?"   Something the ill-informed person you spoke with  will> > evntually grow up and understand as a lie?  How old was that) > person you were exchanging e-mail with?   > Old enough to know that they have not seen any advertising for< VMS in a long time. How often have you heard someone say, "I8 haven't heard from so-and-so in years, he must be dead?"  = For the person I talked to it is too late, they said they hadW= 90% of the port done by their in-house people, but they stille; need some help to get the last 10% onto their nice new Delln servers.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.a Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXf www.weaverconsulting.ca-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:34:41 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>l1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS I Message-ID: <5MLDb.67739$NNW1.61351@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Rob Young wrote:B > In article <brnqut$5cmn9$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Peter9 > Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  > 6 >> To repeat myself from another thread earlier today;A >> Just last week I received an e-mail from a company asking if I A >> could help migrate their VMS/Alpha system to a PC. So I phonedq >> back to get some details; >> >> Why migrate?r >>< >> "VMS is dead, Compaq killed it last year, didn't you know	 >> that!"- >>@ >> Rob, HP does not need the Gartner Group to kill VMS, they are >> doing fine themselves.1 >> >08 > Well, there are misinformed people all over the place. >j= > When someone is misinformed, you can politely correct them.5< > If they insist on being ignorant (or stupid), you could be; > bothersome and cc: superiors in reponse to show that theyh7 > are clearly in the wrong - they usally get the point.a >e> > To say something is dead and it isn't, is a lie.  DeliberateG > or otherwise.  To promote or ignore a lie is damaging (either throughi0 > omission to correct, or promotion of the lie). >h2 > Now I know kids believe in the Santa Claus "lie"? > and some parents encourage that false belief.  So maybe it iso< > a "Santa Claus" effect that this is all about, and "that's@ > okay?"   Something the ill-informed person you spoke with will> > evntually grow up and understand as a lie?  How old was that) > person you were exchanging e-mail with?     L Rob, I don't normally stoop so low as to write a reply to messages which areH clearly as infantile as your response to Peter Weaver but in this case IK will make an exception. Only a moron would write something as ill-conceiveddL as your message. You are clearly operating within a reality distortion zone.  L Peter's customer believes what they believe because they see nothing from HPK to the contrary. That OVMS Engineering is doing wonderful things may escapesE senior management and those that sign the checks primarily because HP @ doesn't communicate with that level of management except at rareJ hand-selected accounts. There's no advertising, no value messaging done toL that level of management that would counter any misconception they may have.K Peter (and I, or even you) could talk to them until he was blue in the face H but until HP comes along and visibly convinces them that 'everything youG thought you knew about the fate of VMS is wrong', they will continue tosI believe that VMS is on its way out. So that's why the two hospitals Peter K wrote about no longer use VMS, and why dozens of other former VMS shops areu  exactly that - former VMS shops.  J Ahhh, so you say - what of the customer's techies - where are they in thisK equation? Pretty simple I'd say - VMS typically has few problems and if you.J are running a stable application one generally has little cause to contactI HP tech support. The new VMS versions come out on CD periodically and are=G mailed out to those on support. The tech guys and sales critters rarely@J visit most VMS accounts, so there's very little of the lunch, golf, steaksL routine you are fond of espousing from HP with existing VMS accounts. So netH net, the in-house techies while they may have nothing disparaging to sayL about VMS, see their prospects at jumping to another employer for higher payJ that also runs VMS disappearing with each VMS defection. So when the execsL say that "We're moving to Sun", the techies say "Yipee! Marketable skills atJ last!" and they also know to keep their mouths shut when senior managementA makes a decision lest they receive a pink slip for their efforts.   G In the 1980's and even through the first 1/2 of the 1990's, most of the-H stock brokerage firms and banks I work (about 200 in total) with had keyJ applications running on VMS. Today there are but a handful. I used to knowI dozens and dozens of firms with banking and brokerage applications or keyhL infrastructure pieces - today that isn't the case. Some have gone bust to beK sure, but of the ones still around, almost all have stopped supporting VMS.r    I You may hate Sun or IBM, but at least they market to their customers. AndnL that makes a world of difference in customer retention and new sales outsideD of the few examples that you and Keith periodically parade about. IfK technical superiority were all that mattered, every RFP would be won by VMStB or NSK but that's not all that matters, and that's where effectiveI advertising and marketing is needed - to counter the other 'fuzzies' thatX% tip sales to Wintel, Solaris, or IBM.e  H Most people are just plain stupid and they NEED advertising to tell them what they should know.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2003 21:22:27 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)e1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSe3 Message-ID: <HG$0VNVUM7tD@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  o In article <5MLDb.67739$NNW1.61351@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:e > Rob Young wrote:C >> In article <brnqut$5cmn9$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Petero: >> Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes: >>7 >>> To repeat myself from another thread earlier today;TB >>> Just last week I received an e-mail from a company asking if IB >>> could help migrate their VMS/Alpha system to a PC. So I phoned >>> back to get some details;f >>>h >>> Why migrate? >>> = >>> "VMS is dead, Compaq killed it last year, didn't you knowa
 >>> that!" >>>bA >>> Rob, HP does not need the Gartner Group to kill VMS, they are> >>> doing fine themselves. >>>  >>9 >> Well, there are misinformed people all over the place.r >>> >> When someone is misinformed, you can politely correct them.= >> If they insist on being ignorant (or stupid), you could bes< >> bothersome and cc: superiors in reponse to show that they8 >> are clearly in the wrong - they usally get the point. >>? >> To say something is dead and it isn't, is a lie.  DeliberatenH >> or otherwise.  To promote or ignore a lie is damaging (either through1 >> omission to correct, or promotion of the lie).= >>3 >> Now I know kids believe in the Santa Claus "lie"=@ >> and some parents encourage that false belief.  So maybe it is= >> a "Santa Claus" effect that this is all about, and "that'snA >> okay?"   Something the ill-informed person you spoke with will=? >> evntually grow up and understand as a lie?  How old was thatr* >> person you were exchanging e-mail with? >  >  > Only a moron would >   $ 	Taking a page out of Bill's book?    N > Peter's customer believes what they believe because they see nothing from HP > to the contrary. f   	Not at all.  It is either:i   		1)  ill-informed 		2)  a deliberate lie  E 	Case in point, I have a conference call tomorrow.  I took 10 minutesu@ 	today to discover something about the vendor's product and willD 	have some pointed and difficult questions tomorrow.  All about due A 	diligence.  To claim a product is "dead" without even a cursory r> 	investigation is either 1) , 2) - take your pick.  To suggest> 	it is borne out of lack of advertising is a pitiful argument.   > You may hate Sun or IBM, A  ( 	No, not hate.   I've stated that Sun isB 	in decline (and mostly irrelevant) and actually have been accused 	of working for IBM:   	Rob writes:  6 > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-921799.html?tag=fd_top > + >  IBM takes top spot in server-speed race O >   
 	Andy writes:    Do you work for IBM ??   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:59:11 -0600M@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>2 Subject: Re: TechWeb: HP Coaxes Alphas To Itaniums5 Message-ID: <3FDFB86F.F7F75D5@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>    Ken Farmer wrote:- > ' > TechWeb: HP Coaxes Alphas To Itaniums0 > E > When Hewlett-Packard announced this fall that the days of the AlphalI > processor were numbered, the machine was immediately in play. Sooner orsM > later -- even very much later -- users would have to move to new processorsI. > whether built by HP or another manufacturer. > L > Soon, Sun Microsystems was mounting an aggressive assault on the installedK > Alpha base. Now HP is finding that the Alpha workhorse Open VMS operatingoM > system, originally thought to be a liability because of its age, is turning0 > out to be an asset.   E *HEAVY SIGH* Well, better much too late and many thousands of dollars0 short than never at all.  K > "Open VMS Engineering remains on track to deliver OpenVMS V8.2, the firstuH > production quality release of OpenVMS for Itanium systems," said TerryL > Shannon, an independent consultant who has followed the Alpha since it wasK > introduced in 1992. He said that software releases and other updates will.J > serve to convince users to stay with HP with most Alpha users eventuallyM > moving to the Itanium family. "And, Open VMS (will) play a key role in HP'si, > emerging Adaptive Enterprise strategy."...   ...we hope.v   -- i David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:27:08 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>5 Subject: Re: VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMSo0 Message-ID: <3FDF78AC.748078BD@sture.homeip.net>   Paul Repacholi wrote:  > . > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: >  > > Paul Repacholi wrote:f > >>1 > >> Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:s > J > >> > And in 750 days, an OEM was claiming that their version of 750s hadJ > >> > some kind of performance boost. We never found out exactly how theyK > >> > intended to achieve that. I never did find another 750 quite as fasta+ > >> > as the pair I was running however...o > # > >> This wasn't Systime(?) was it?R >  > > Yep. > H > Ah, their boost was to turn the clock back up and hope it did not fall: > over too often. Their fame was not totally undeserved :) >   5 Ah, the sound of crash dumps on a dot matrix console!'  ' And meeting engineers at the airport...h   :-)e   -- -
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Dec 2003 17:40:35 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman): Subject: [SOT] I Lost It with the Tape Drive v1.0 (Lyrics)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312161740.774d02a0@posting.google.com>f  C All right, enough doom and gloom. It's time for a little SYS$HUMOR!n  2 To the tune of "I Heard It Through the Grapevine":  $ I Lost It with the Tape Drive (v1.0)  & Ooh, I bet you're wonderin' how I knew  'Bout your plans to make me blue& With the tape I trusted to your clutch! You know that data, I needed muchp! It took me by surprise I must sayo When I heard it grind away Don't you know that Is   Knew it was the tape drive! Not much longer would it be alive   Oh, I knew it was the tape drive" Now I'm just about to lose my mind Honey honey, yeahe (Knew it was the tape drivem4 Not much longer would I have my data, ooh, ooh, ooh)  " I know a man ain't supposed to cry$ But these tears I cannot hold inside# Losin' you would end my job you seem" 'Cause that data, my boss he needs# You could have told me just as much & that my data you were 'bout to scrunch  # Instead I lost it in the tape drivep! not much longer would it be alive>& Oh yeah, I lost it with the tape drive" And I'm just about to lose my mind Honey honey, yeahS (Lost it in the tape drive4 Not much longer would I have my data, ooh, ooh, ooh)   <brief instrumental interlude>  ' People say believe half of what you see  Son, and none of what you hear But I can't help being confusede& If my data's gone, please tell me dear# Do you really want to do this to me>+ After all the cleaning tapes I fed to thee?F   Don't you know I Lost it with the tape drivew! Not much longer would it be alive8! Baby, I lost it in the tape drivet" Ooh I'm just about to lose my mind Honey honey, yeahi (Heard it in the tape driveA4 Not much longer would I have my data, ooh, ooh, ooh)   Honey, honey I knewt That my data is through:# 'Said I lost it with the tape drive-   Repeat and fade    Lost it with the tape drive     % Lyrics mutated by Alan E. Feldman &-)c   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:00:11 GMTO6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)D Subject: [VMS V7.3-2] How do you interpret SHOW DEVICE/BITMAP/FULL ?3 Message-ID: <f0NDb.103082$dt3.30656@news.chello.at>m  . How do you interpret SHOW DEVICE/BITMAP/FULL ?G /BITMAP is to show the bitmaps of (disk) devices and only this devices. 7 /FULL is to show the full information of (all) devices.e  ( When I combine them ? What to see then ?  H I tried it and I see both a list of disk devices and their bitmap statusL and then a list of the full info of all the devices on the system (w/o mbx).   Is this intended ?N I expected (wrongly ?) that I would see only these devices with bitmap support with full information...   TIA>   -- g Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialiste E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.696 ************************d in OpenVMS sales:t >>>>>t8 >>>>> http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20031212S0009 >>>>>nG >>>>> "Shannon said HP is heavily committed to the Alpha line and noteda >>>>> that HP's CEOcB >>>>> Carly Fiorina has made several customer calls to close Alpha >>>>> sales" >>>> >>>>B >>>> I consider advertising and decent marketing a more convincingC >>>> commitment to the future of VMS than any words carly(tm) might"E >>>> utter in a closed door meeting with my client unless those wordsnG >>>>es were built with/for/on OpenVMS V7.3-1.   C   The provided SDL.COM procedure will create logical names for the :C   correct set of images for the local system architecture, and willeD   also load the SDL.CLD command definition into the current process.   To invoke SDL:     $ @SDL  ! needed onceb     then  %   $ SDL/ALPHA/LANGUAGE=CC filedef.SDLe     or  #   $ SDL/VAX/LANGUAGE=CC filedef.SDLn  @   Also available is SDL/NOPARSE, which converts the intermediateB   files (.SDI files) found in STARLETSD.TLB into language-specific   definition files.i   n/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++./ DISK$FREEWARE60_2:[SDLXSD]FREEWARE_README.TXT;1b/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++v  e3 SDLXSD, LANGUAGES, XSD generator for SDL VAX/Alpha.W   p1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++t1 DISK$FREEWARE60_2:[SHUTDOWN]FREEWARE_README.TXT;4W1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++u   F SHUTDOWN, UTILITIES, Hobbyist cluster shutdown for non-privilged users a4 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++4 DISK$FREEWARE60_2:[SIMH302-VMS]FREEWARE_README.TXT;34 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  a> SIMH302-VMS, UTILITIES, simh with ethernet support for OpenVMS  C This is a simh with ethernet support for OpenVMS Alpha. It containshE executables (for 7.3-1 or later) of the VAX and pdp-11 simulator with E (and without) ethernet support. To use the ethernet support CMKRNL iseN needed and the PCAPVCM.EXE execlet needs to be copied to SYS$LOADABLE_DEVICES.    J To build simh from sourcesw, unpack the ZIP file and start by building theD pcap support in [.PCAP-VMS] by invoking the BUILD_ALL.COM procedure.  ) To build simh with ethernet support, use:e  7 $ MMS/MACRO=("__ALPHA__=1", "__PACP__=1") [vax | pdp11]P  0 NOTE: Only the VAX and pdp-11 supports ethernet.     g/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++u/ DISK$FREEWARE60_2:[SMILEY]FREEWARE_README.TXT;2 / +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++l  l4 Smiley, Miscellaneous, Print and explain smileys :-)   Installation  I To build the Smiley program just execute make_vms.com. Since the program rH only consists of very few source files no attempt at any sophistication G has been made. If you do feel there is a need for options to the build d2 procedure sent me a note and I shall look into it.   Environment variablese  N If the logical name "SMILEY" is defined a call to smiley with option -e (like 8 explain) will try to find the definition of this Smiley.  M The latest version of the OpenVM