1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 17 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 697       Contents:= Re: AS1000 - Video vagaries - or- scroll down if you can.....   Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3  Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3  Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3  Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3  Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3  Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3  Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3  Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3  Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3  Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3% Re: Coincidence or cascading failure?  Re: DE500-XA & full-duplex Re: DE500-XA & full-duplex Re: DE500-XA & full-duplex RE: DE500-XA & full-duplex Re: DE500-XA & full-duplex Re: DE500-XA & full-duplex& DECW installation from Hobbyist VAX CD* Re: DECW installation from Hobbyist VAX CD FATAL BUGCHECK Re: FATAL BUGCHECKJ HP Integrity mid-range servers achieve record results on SAP SD benchmarks Java on VMS - Runtime.exec()  Re: Java on VMS - Runtime.exec()  Re: Java on VMS - Runtime.exec()  Re: Java on VMS - Runtime.exec() Re: KZPSC-AA Documentation Re: KZPSC-AA Documentation Re: KZPSC-AA Documentation RE: KZPSC-AA Documentation RE: KZPSC-AA Documentation! Re: lbr$ routines and concurrency 	 Re: Mount # Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS  Re: OpenVMS Merchandise 3 Re: OpenVMS, CSWS (apache), PHP and ... Rdb ???!!!! 0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel5 Re: Shopping basket toolkit for vms/osu http_server ? ( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS Re: Tracking down a MAC address , Re: VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMS( Where is firmware 7.2 doc in plain text?, RE: Where is firmware 7.2 doc in plain text?, RE: Where is firmware 7.2 doc in plain text?, RE: Where is firmware 7.2 doc in plain text?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 10:19:20 -0800& From: denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny)F Subject: Re: AS1000 - Video vagaries - or- scroll down if you can.....= Message-ID: <2a9d9498.0312171019.581a3b84@posting.google.com>    Fred,   A Thanks for the hint.  I replaced the old VGA or SVGA monitor (ca. & 1991) with a newer monitor (ca. 2000).  7 On the built-in interface, the scrolling was still bad.   D Next, I re-installed the Compac EISA option card in slot 2. With J27F still in the ON position, neither video output worked. With J27 in theD OFF position, the option card worked and the on-board output did not work.   D The option card works just fine with the newer monitor.  The test isD to do a directory of sys$sysdevice:[*...]. With the "good" setup, it@ simply  flies.  With the "bad" setup, it ticks the lines down at between 300 and 600 baud.    So all is well!     B Thanks again. (Oh, and there's an old monitor in Cleveland that is free to a good home  :)    denny    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:06:36 +1100 : From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz>) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 C Message-ID: <3fe01d30$0$59610$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>   L I had a VAX 11/780 with battery back that used to recover from mains failure  all the time via this mechanism.   --   David McKenzie   elimate rugby to reply    2  Email:    david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.rugby.biz)    Web:    http://www.paradigm-shift.biz/    IT Law and security a bad mix     3 "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> wrote in message 3 news:bro2ht$5fnrv$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de... 3 > <helbig@astro.multiNOSPAMvax.de> wrote in message + > news:brc672$2nap$1@news.xenopsyche.net... F > > Please reply to the group AND to me via email (for the reason, see > > below).  > > F > > I'm a bit confused about BOOT, HALT and RESTART (or the equivalentG > > numbers 1, 2 and 3---somewhere I have a note of what corresponds to H > > what, but if anyone has the information handy, please post it in theL > > reply).  HALT is clear: whenever the machine gets to the console prompt,G > > it stays there until one tells it to boot.  BOOT, in my experience, 5 > > causes it to boot after the power is switched on.  > >  > > What does RESTART do?  > J > I have scanned through the other replies to this topic, and they are all
 > incomplete. G > RESTART behaviour is defined in the architecture. Irrespective of the G > means it is set, whether switches or console variables, RESTART tells C > the console firmware on a VAX or the SRM on an Alpha (or Vax7000) G > to search memory for a valid Restart Parameter Block (RPB) every time D > there is either a powerup or uncontrolled entry into console mode. > @ > If a valid RPB is found, as may well be the case after certain pathologicalE > halts, the cpu will begin execution at the PC specified in the RPB. H > In current versions of VMS and with most (if not all) current hardware this< > will be for the sole purpose of taking a restart bugcheck.8 > Events such as KRNLSTAKNV, DBLERR, INVPTBR and INVSCBB9 > constitute such pathological halts. OPERCRASH does not.  > C > If a valid RPB is NOT found RESTART causes the fallback action of  > initiating a REBOOT.J > Clearly this will be the case on powerup for all machines without either* > memory battery backup or core memory :-) > I > The last machine that I know for certain survived a total power failure  and I > continued as if nothing had ever happened was a PDP11 with core memory. E > This would have been about 1982... Undoubtedly there have been many C > such situations since then, but none I have personally witnessed.  > > > Rebooting after a bugcheck is controlled by SYSGEN parameter3 > BUGREBOOT, and is nothing to do with the console.  >  > -- > John Travell$ > Independent VMS crashdump analyst.! > john- at - jomatech - dot - com  > +44-(0)23-92552229 > http://www.jomatech.com/ >  >  >  >  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 11/12/2003  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:59:48 -0500 * From: Jf Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 ) Message-ID: <3FE036ED.29EB701D@istop.com>    David McKenzie wrote:  > N > I had a VAX 11/780 with battery back that used to recover from mains failure" > all the time via this mechanism.  I Didn't the 6000 series also have battery backed up memory as an option ?\   F In practical terms, what did battery backed up memory actually give to customers ?   N I can see just the advantage of processes and batch jobs picking up where theyH were. But a terminal connected via decserver would have lost its logicalI connection the the VAX, so when power came back on, the process would get M killed when VMS realised the LAT connection had terminated. However, for real I serial ports, you could continue with just a CTRL-W to redraw the screen.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:42:34 +1100 : From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz>) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 C Message-ID: <3fe04fcf$0$59613$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>   G IIRC you could reconnect LAT sesion, can't remeber how. But if you were 1 running long batch jobs, as you say it was great.    --   David McKenzie   elimate rugby to reply    2  Email:    david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.rugby.biz)    Web:    http://www.paradigm-shift.biz/    IT Law and security a bad mix     7 "Jf Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3FE036ED.29EB701D@istop.com...  > David McKenzie wrote:  > > H > > I had a VAX 11/780 with battery back that used to recover from mains failure $ > > all the time via this mechanism. > K > Didn't the 6000 series also have battery backed up memory as an option ?\  > H > In practical terms, what did battery backed up memory actually give to
 > customers ?  > K > I can see just the advantage of processes and batch jobs picking up where  theyJ > were. But a terminal connected via decserver would have lost its logicalK > connection the the VAX, so when power came back on, the process would get J > killed when VMS realised the LAT connection had terminated. However, for realK > serial ports, you could continue with just a CTRL-W to redraw the screen.    ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 17 Dec 03 12:29:28 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com ) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 3 Message-ID: <3fe05ca7$0$4741$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>   3 In article <L5ukbWtya83y@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ?    koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: 4 >In article <3FE036ED.29EB701D@istop.com>, Jf Mezei # <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  >> David McKenzie wrote: >>> I >>> I had a VAX 11/780 with battery back that used to recover from mains   failure $ >>> all the time via this mechanism. >>  J >> Didn't the 6000 series also have battery backed up memory as an option  ?\ >>  I >> In practical terms, what did battery backed up memory actually give to  >> customers ? >>  G >> I can see just the advantage of processes and batch jobs picking up  
 where theyK >> were. But a terminal connected via decserver would have lost its logical I >> connection the the VAX, so when power came back on, the process would   get L >> killed when VMS realised the LAT connection had terminated. However, for  realE >> serial ports, you could continue with just a CTRL-W to redraw the   screen.  > F >  As a practial matter, terminals were more often connected via DZ-11G >  back in the 11/780 days.  I know DEC made a UNIBUS ethernet card and < >  supported it on 11/780, but I've never actually seen one. > C >  And not all processing is interactive.  Yes, you would loose all : >  networked connections, but everything else would be OK.  8 As long as the system didn't crash, one should have been7 able to ATTACH back to the connection and CONTINUE the  8 execution for any interactive session.  It was the batch9 jobs that couldn't restart where it left off.  That's why < checkpoint commands in the control file were invented.  This; was to prevent having the same thing happen more than once.    /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 07:24:35 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 3 Message-ID: <L5ukbWtya83y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3FE036ED.29EB701D@istop.com>, Jf Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > David McKenzie wrote:  >>  O >> I had a VAX 11/780 with battery back that used to recover from mains failure # >> all the time via this mechanism.  > K > Didn't the 6000 series also have battery backed up memory as an option ?\  > H > In practical terms, what did battery backed up memory actually give to
 > customers ?  > P > I can see just the advantage of processes and batch jobs picking up where theyJ > were. But a terminal connected via decserver would have lost its logicalK > connection the the VAX, so when power came back on, the process would get O > killed when VMS realised the LAT connection had terminated. However, for real K > serial ports, you could continue with just a CTRL-W to redraw the screen.   E   As a practial matter, terminals were more often connected via DZ-11 F   back in the 11/780 days.  I know DEC made a UNIBUS ethernet card and;   supported it on 11/780, but I've never actually seen one.   B   And not all processing is interactive.  Yes, you would loose all9   networked connections, but everything else would be OK.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:46:04 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> ) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 8 Message-ID: <hbn0uvcuvh9r99cb59lc2dg1j6mb5jrbq6@4ax.com>  K On 17 Dec 2003 07:24:35 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob  Koehler) wrote:   F >  As a practial matter, terminals were more often connected via DZ-11G >  back in the 11/780 days.  I know DEC made a UNIBUS ethernet card and < >  supported it on 11/780, but I've never actually seen one.  I Google revealed two snippets, one that LAT arrived coincident with Decnet 6 Phase IV, and the other that Phase IV arrived in 1982.  K What was a typical networking interconnect in the early 80s?  I know I used L a networked 780 and a couple of 11/34s in 81/82, but never really stopped to, think what was physically connecting them...   --  ' To Be and Not To Be - Zen Shakespeare.     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 08:57:45 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 < Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312170857.7d0c295@posting.google.com>  i "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> wrote in message news:<bro2ht$5fnrv$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>... M > The last machine that I know for certain survived a total power failure and I > continued as if nothing had ever happened was a PDP11 with core memory. E > This would have been about 1982... Undoubtedly there have been many C > such situations since then, but none I have personally witnessed.   B I know that a VAX 11/780 with RAM memory (but including the memoryA battery backup option) could survive a total power failure, as of D around 1986.  I know because one day when my wife came to pick me upD from work and brought our 4-year-old daughter, as they waited at theF computer room doorway for me to do some last-minute thing, my daughterB discovered that she was now just tall enough to reach that big redB emergency power-off button by the door.  After we turned the power/ back on, VMS picked right up where it left off.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 11:37:07 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 3 Message-ID: <nHwDSDO9$kLN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <hbn0uvcuvh9r99cb59lc2dg1j6mb5jrbq6@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:M > On 17 Dec 2003 07:24:35 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob  > Koehler) wrote:  > G >>  As a practial matter, terminals were more often connected via DZ-11 H >>  back in the 11/780 days.  I know DEC made a UNIBUS ethernet card and= >>  supported it on 11/780, but I've never actually seen one.  > K > Google revealed two snippets, one that LAT arrived coincident with Decnet 8 > Phase IV, and the other that Phase IV arrived in 1982. > M > What was a typical networking interconnect in the early 80s?  I know I used N > a networked 780 and a couple of 11/34s in 81/82, but never really stopped to. > think what was physically connecting them...  L    IIRC they were DMC-11 and DMR-11 et. al.  They had DDCMP built into them G    and communicated serially.  Our VAX, PDP-11, and PDP-10 systems were J    locally interconnected via Gandalf 9600 baud modems connected to DDCMP I    cards, with a 56K modem connecting our PDP-10 to a remote VAX.  Other  I    DDCMP cards used coax cables, we had three VAXen fully interconnected      with sets of these.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:00:36 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> ) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 ? Message-ID: <9cfc4f624c.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   7 In message <hbn0uvcuvh9r99cb59lc2dg1j6mb5jrbq6@4ax.com> 8           John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote:  M > On 17 Dec 2003 07:24:35 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob  > Koehler) wrote:  > H > >  As a practial matter, terminals were more often connected via DZ-11I > >  back in the 11/780 days.  I know DEC made a UNIBUS ethernet card and > > >  supported it on 11/780, but I've never actually seen one. > K > Google revealed two snippets, one that LAT arrived coincident with Decnet 8 > Phase IV, and the other that Phase IV arrived in 1982. > M > What was a typical networking interconnect in the early 80s?  I know I used N > a networked 780 and a couple of 11/34s in 81/82, but never really stopped to. > think what was physically connecting them...  K In our case, lots of RS232 wiring to lots of DZ-11, and later DMZ-32 serial J interfaces. We stopped using this and put in ethernet and terminal serversH to eliminate the downtime we had each time there was a power disturbanceC (cuts, or lightning strikes within about 5 miles). This problem was L eventually traced to the earth mat under the main building drying out in the> summer. In the autumn, when it rained, the problems went away.  L The next entertainment was watching the pretty blue sparks when the shell ofJ the AUI cable touched the backplane of the VAX. Turned out that the "cleanG earth" used for the ethernet cable was about 60V RMS away from the real  earth (used for the hardware).  $ Even with the sparks, it all worked.   Alan   --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Dec 2003 18:47:56 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)) Subject: Re: BOOT, HALT, RESTART, 1, 2, 3 9 Message-ID: <brq8cr$697is$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   < In article <cf15391e.0312170857.7d0c295@posting.google.com>,4 	keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:k > "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> wrote in message news:<bro2ht$5fnrv$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>... N >> The last machine that I know for certain survived a total power failure andJ >> continued as if nothing had ever happened was a PDP11 with core memory.F >> This would have been about 1982... Undoubtedly there have been manyD >> such situations since then, but none I have personally witnessed. > D > I know that a VAX 11/780 with RAM memory (but including the memoryC > battery backup option) could survive a total power failure, as of F > around 1986.  I know because one day when my wife came to pick me upF > from work and brought our 4-year-old daughter, as they waited at theH > computer room doorway for me to do some last-minute thing, my daughterD > discovered that she was now just tall enough to reach that big redD > emergency power-off button by the door.  After we turned the power1 > back on, VMS picked right up where it left off.   D I don't understand why everyone is so fascinated by this concept.  ID have 3 11/44's in the room behind me which, although they don't have@ batteries, all have the battery backed-up memory option in them.3 I think the concept pre-dates both the VAX and VMS.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 17 DEC 2003 16:31:48 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher). Subject: Re: Coincidence or cascading failure?6 Message-ID: <17DEC03.16314839@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  D In a previous article, lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) wrote: -> ...J ->Is there a single event which could cause both a freeze of the Alpha andM ->corruption of the router's flash?  Or could one cause the other?  The Alpha : ->is running Apache, BIND, SMTP, and (intranet only) IMAP.  D Network problems can bring out the worst in anything. Last May I hadC a network loop (that should have been detected by spanning tree but C wasn't) on a switch that resulted in an ES40 crash/reboot cycle and 2 the following repeating error from compaq analyze:   Brief Description:( System uncorrectable PCI event detected. .. Full Description: M      A System uncorrectable PCI scatter/gather invalid Page Table Entry (PTE) J      has occured on device at PCI address x00000803FE003000. The operatingL      system maintains the PTE's in main memory and must set the valid bit inM      main memory. Therefore the cause of the problem could be software. Hint: L      Check if there are any known device driver problems that may cause this*      failure before replacing any hardware    	 FRU List:       Probability:        High       Manufacturer:        /      Device Type:        software/device driver       Physical Location:  Slot   $      FRU Part Number:    Unavailable$      FRU Serial Number:  Unavailable$      FRU Firmware Rev:   Unavailable        Probability:        Medium       Manufacturer:        (      Device Type:        PCI Device Unit;      Physical Location:  Slot PCI Backplane Device 10 - J11 !      FRU Part Number:    DE600-AA       FRU Serial Number:         FRU Firmware Rev:            Probability:        Low      Manufacturer:       Compaq )      Device Type:        System Main Unit 8      Physical Location:  Slot Central System Motherboard+      FRU Part Number:    54-25385-01.E07    #      FRU Serial Number:  AY11303859 N      FRU Firmware Rev:   TIG 10|SROM V2.12-F|SRM V6.4-17|RMC V10|RMC FLASH V27        Probability:        Low      Manufacturer:       Compaq &      Device Type:        PCI Backplane>      Physical Location:  Slot Central System Motherboard - J50(      FRU Part Number:    54-30156-01.B01#      FRU Serial Number:  NI91574069       FRU Firmware Rev:   00    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison ; --                    karcher.nomorespxm@waisman.wisc.edu      ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:52:20 +0100 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de># Subject: Re: DE500-XA & full-duplex : Message-ID: <MCELKPMOKPMNDNKJNIONEEKNCHAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Christoph Gartmann wrotes:   >>> O Just tried to use 100 half and get again lots of errors. Note, with a different O switch we had no such problems. It is something between this card the the 4400.  <<<   O AFAIK there are o lot of problems with the 3Com switches (and also interfaces). A Try to missconfigure the connection. First time set the switch to J AUTONEGOTIATION and the interface to FASFD. If this does not work, set theN switch to FASFD and the interface to AUTONEGOTIATION. May be this will help. I, did hear this from a network service seller.   Best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Dec 2003 08:02:16 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)# Subject: Re: DE500-XA & full-duplex 0 Message-ID: <brp2i8$qf2$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  h In article <d7791aa1.0312160853.78bf07b9@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:B >do you have the latest patches at both the vms and console level?8 >we are using 7.1 w/alphastations but you are on 7.3 ...  O As far as I can tell, yes. It is OpenVMS 7.3-1 with all the patches, the newest 8 SRM firmware and the most up to date switch firmware :-(   Regards,   Christoph Gartmann   --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Dec 2003 09:55:58 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)# Subject: Re: DE500-XA & full-duplex 0 Message-ID: <brp97e$t6n$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  e In article <MCELKPMOKPMNDNKJNIONEEKNCHAA.win@fom.fgan.de>, "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:  >  >Christoph Gartmann wrotes:  >  >>>>P >Just tried to use 100 half and get again lots of errors. Note, with a differentP >switch we had no such problems. It is something between this card the the 4400. ><<< > P >AFAIK there are o lot of problems with the 3Com switches (and also interfaces).B >Try to missconfigure the connection. First time set the switch toK >AUTONEGOTIATION and the interface to FASFD. If this does not work, set the O >switch to FASFD and the interface to AUTONEGOTIATION. May be this will help. I - >did hear this from a network service seller.   O I can't set the DE500-XA to Autonegotiation, the console doesn't allow this for 
 this card :-(    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:21:30 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> # Subject: RE: DE500-XA & full-duplex 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEODIKAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- D >From: Christoph Gartmann [mailto:gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens]+ >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:56 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com$ >Subject: Re: DE500-XA & full-duplex >  > C >In article <MCELKPMOKPMNDNKJNIONEEKNCHAA.win@fom.fgan.de>, "Rudolf # >Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:  >> >>Christoph Gartmann wrotes: >> >>>>> @ >>Just tried to use 100 half and get again lots of errors. Note, >with a different C >>switch we had no such problems. It is something between this card  >the the 4400. >><<<  >>? >>AFAIK there are o lot of problems with the 3Com switches (and  >also interfaces).C >>Try to missconfigure the connection. First time set the switch to L >>AUTONEGOTIATION and the interface to FASFD. If this does not work, set theC >>switch to FASFD and the interface to AUTONEGOTIATION. May be this 
 >will help. I . >>did hear this from a network service seller. > A >I can't set the DE500-XA to Autonegotiation, the console doesn't  >allow this for  >this card :-(  @ Maybe you have the wrong name for the value of the SRM variable?C for example, on a PWS500au with Tru64 with same SRM as used for VMS # bash-2.05b# consvar -v -g ewa0_mode  Firmware Rev: 6.9-7  system fam:30  cpu:5  smm:1791 ewa0_mode = Auto-Negotiate   > 	 >Regards,  >   Christoph Gartmann >  >-- F > Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 > Immunbiologie J > Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de > D-79011  Freiburg, Germany: >               http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:49:39 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl># Subject: Re: DE500-XA & full-duplex 2 Message-ID: <brq1ud$4hj$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:  > Hi,  > P > OpenVMS 7.3-1 on an AlphaStation 255. The station has a DE500-XA network card.K > The card is set to 100 MB/s and full-duplex. The same at the other end (a Q > switch). This setup worked for quite some time. Now we replaced the switch with M > one from 3Com (3C17204, a 4400). Now we get lots of CRC errors. The machine P > boots up and is working more or less all right. If we let the switch negotiateQ > the speed and duplex mode this results in 100 MB/s and half-duplex although the P > card is configured with full duplex. Setting the switch to full duplex results > in these CRC errors.   > O > Next I used a Soho switch. This one detects 100 MB/s. In addition the LED for  > full-duplex is flickering.    L I had the same problem .... The Soho switch will *always* fall back to half Q duplex mode if it can not *negotiate* full duplex mode, even if your card is set  M to full duplex. This same LED doubles as Collision Detect LED in half duplex  M mode, so if it is flickering you have collisions. No wonder with the card in  O full duplex mode and the switch in half duplex. You may also experience packet   loss with this setup.   O Sollution for the Soho switch: If you can't set the card to autonegotiate, set  = it to half duplex. That will match the setting of the switch.   O The 3-Com switch seems to do the same. However it is very strange that you get  Q CRC errors when you set switch and card to full duplex. Could be that the switch  A is broken, after all everything worked fine with your old switch.   6 > Sometimes it is on for a few seconds, then goes off,O > goes on again and so on but no CRC errors. Is my card broken? Anyhting else I 
 > can try? > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:23:13 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk># Subject: Re: DE500-XA & full-duplex + Message-ID: <brq6uj$lm2@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   X "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:brq1ud$4hj$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...  M > I had the same problem .... The Soho switch will *always* fall back to half R > duplex mode if it can not *negotiate* full duplex mode, even if your card is set > to full duplex.   O Yes, this is expected. There's no provision in the autonegotation specification S for the card to indicate that it is in fixed full-duplex mode. Or in 100Mbit either 6 but the latter is easy enough for the switch to infer.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 08:29:50 -0800. From: send_lotsa_spam_here@yahoo.com (Soterro)/ Subject: DECW installation from Hobbyist VAX CD < Message-ID: <1a63f162.0312170829.933a6b0@posting.google.com>   Hello,  E Here I am with another silly question... (that I'm actually ashamed I  have to ask)C How could I install the DECW kit from the Hobbyist CD on an already B running VMS VAX 7.2 machine, as long the Hobbyist CD only seems toE have DECW072.C, D, E and F? Where are the sets A and B gone? They are  definitely NOT on that CD...  
 Thanks a lot,  S    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:28:08 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)3 Subject: Re: DECW installation from Hobbyist VAX CD 3 Message-ID: <Ye1Eb.10922$LY6.9899@news.cpqcorp.net>   ? Hopefully, when you first installed VMS you included DECwindows 9 support as an option (even if you didn't actually install : DECwindows).  If so, look in SYS$UPDATE for the DECwindows= Tailor executable and templates, which let you add DECwindows ; to a system. You can usually run DECW$TAILOR and answer the 
 questions.  > If you don't have those files, you may have to re-install VMS.: You can preserve all of your important system files so you8 won't have to re-create accounts, network settings, etc.   --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:41:45 -0000  From: "cyril" <toto@toto.com>  Subject: FATAL BUGCHECK 4 Message-ID: <3fe0796e$0$28694$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Hello, Configuration:-    - SCSI SCSI with  2 DS1O and a quorum disk     - OpenVMS V7.3        patchs VMS73_UPDATE-V0200    Problem:3  The server 1 crashed with the following bugcheck :    CPU bugcheck codes: +         CPU 00 -- INVRSPID, RSPID not valid   / and the next day the second also crashed with :    CPU bugcheck codes: ,         CPU 00 -- INVLOCKID, Invalid lock id  < Could you give us the reason about these unexpected reboot ?  	 Thank you    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:10:03 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: FATAL BUGCHECK 0 Message-ID: <00A2A816.D1057DB9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <3fe0796e$0$28694$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, "cyril" <toto@toto.com> writes: >  >Hello,  >Configuration: . >   - SCSI SCSI with  2 DS1O and a quorum disk >   - OpenVMS V7.3  >      patchs VMS73_UPDATE-V0200 > 	 >Problem: 4 > The server 1 crashed with the following bugcheck : >  >CPU bugcheck codes:, >        CPU 00 -- INVRSPID, RSPID not valid  @ A RSPID (response id) is a value that is used to maintain sanityA in cluster SYSAP communications.  Some SYSAP on your cluster node @ received a message with an invalid RSPID and bugchecked the node$ to maintain cluster/data  integrity.    0 >and the next day the second also crashed with : >o >CPU bugcheck codes:- >        CPU 00 -- INVLOCKID, Invalid lock id,  ? Looks like perhaps a lock request with a lock id that is not in,> the lock id table.  Again, the node is forced to bugcheck as a' way to maintain cluster/data integrity.       = >Could you give us the reason about these unexpected reboot ?,  > Not without analyzing the crash dump.  However, it may be that? there is some hardware generating errors in the cluster commun--? ications path that might be causing this (bad RSPID).  Could beE? a third-party product SYSAP.  It could be little green gremlinsA in you system cabinet.    ? Secondly, I don't think these are unexpected.  If the executiveA? has reason to beleive that something is awry, it will bugcheck s. your system and that is expected behaviour. ;)    , Contact HP and have the crash dump analyzed.     --K http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the best OpenVMS system security solutions.    K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn            A5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" u   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 10:17:05 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)aS Subject: HP Integrity mid-range servers achieve record results on SAP SD benchmarks = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312171017.66c24b87@posting.google.com>s  > HP Integrity rx8620 server achieves number-one SAP performance	 benchmarks by Sanjiv Patelg  @ HP has achieved yet another number-one SAP SD two-tier benchmarkF result -- this time on an HP Integrity rx8620 server with 2,880 users.D This beats all other 16-way server results by a wide margin. And, itF is the third number-one SAP SD result on an Integrity server published> this year: HP already holds the top 4-way position with the HPE Integrity rx5670 server and the top 8-way position with the Integrity0= rx7620 server. These three leadership results for SAP clearlyaC illustrate that HP Integrity servers dominate the competition. ThisfE new result on the Integrity rx8620 server marks the eighth number-onetA midrange benchmark published since last month, when the Integrity-/ rx7620 and rx8620 servers were first announced.r  B Benchmark information is available at http://www.sap.com/benchmark   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:18:50 -00001( From: "Andoni" <andoni@REMOVE.indigo.ie>% Subject: Java on VMS - Runtime.exec()V/ Message-ID: <yWVDb.1214$HR.3540@news.indigo.ie>t   Hello,  L I am trying to get a java program working on vms.  I just want it to be ableL to run a script so that I can get eventually get a servlet to run this piece/ of code and display the results in a HTML page.e  2 I can do this no problem in windows with the line:F Process p = Runtime.getRuntime().exec("c:\\winnt\\system32\\cmd.exe /c
 \"dir\"");  G But for the life of me I cannot get the equivalent to work in VMS.  HastI anybody else out there tried this?  Can you please let me know where I ameL going wrong.  Here's my code and it's output.  Please note that I have triedE many combinations of different exec() methods, loginoff calls, paths,n	 etc......-  	 <snippet>-!     System.out.println("hello2");3!     myRun = Runtime.getRuntime();n#     System.out.println("hello2.1");i:     File myDir = new File(System.getProperty("user.dir"));#     System.out.println("hello2.2");.'     Process p = myRun.exec("testfile");w  3 //    Process p = myRun.exec(args[0], null, myDir);e!     System.out.println("hello3"); 4     BufferedReader stdInput = new BufferedReader(new' InputStreamReader(p.getInputStream()));r
 </snippet>  4 testfile.com is a simple script which only contains:   write sys$output "Hello World" exit   <output> hello1 hello2 hello2.1 hello2.2 IO: function not implemented- java.io.IOException: function not implemented>B         at java.lang.UNIXProcess.forkAndExec    (UNIXProcess.java)	 </output>p   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:42:45 +0100 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>) Subject: Re: Java on VMS - Runtime.exec()w0 Message-ID: <brpfed$96n16@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>  
 Andoni wrote:  > Hello, > N > I am trying to get a java program working on vms.  I just want it to be ableN > to run a script so that I can get eventually get a servlet to run this piece1 > of code and display the results in a HTML page.f > 4 > I can do this no problem in windows with the line:H > Process p = Runtime.getRuntime().exec("c:\\winnt\\system32\\cmd.exe /c > \"dir\""); > I > But for the life of me I cannot get the equivalent to work in VMS.  HaseK > anybody else out there tried this?  Can you please let me know where I ameN > going wrong.  Here's my code and it's output.  Please note that I have triedG > many combinations of different exec() methods, loginoff calls, paths,h > etc......  >  > <snippet>n# >     System.out.println("hello2"); # >     myRun = Runtime.getRuntime();l% >     System.out.println("hello2.1");l< >     File myDir = new File(System.getProperty("user.dir"));% >     System.out.println("hello2.2");S) >     Process p = myRun.exec("testfile");e6 ------------------------------^ isn't here a @ missing > 5 > //    Process p = myRun.exec(args[0], null, myDir);a# >     System.out.println("hello3");g6 >     BufferedReader stdInput = new BufferedReader(new) > InputStreamReader(p.getInputStream()));i > </snippet> > 6 > testfile.com is a simple script which only contains: >   > write sys$output "Hello World" > exit > 
 > <output> > hello1 > hello2
 > hello2.1
 > hello2.2 > IO: function not implemented/ > java.io.IOException: function not implementednD >         at java.lang.UNIXProcess.forkAndExec    (UNIXProcess.java) > </output>8 >  >      -- t  + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regardsh  3 Karl Rohwedder          | it-ingteam(at)t-online.detA                          | extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de,   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 07:43:06 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o) Subject: Re: Java on VMS - Runtime.exec()w3 Message-ID: <+Arq4y1GuH5S@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  Z In article <yWVDb.1214$HR.3540@news.indigo.ie>, "Andoni" <andoni@REMOVE.indigo.ie> writes:  ) >     Process p = myRun.exec("testfile");e > 6 > testfile.com is a simple script which only contains: >   > write sys$output "Hello World" > exit > 
 > <output> > hello1 > hello2
 > hello2.1
 > hello2.2 > IO: function not implemented/ > java.io.IOException: function not implementedeD >         at java.lang.UNIXProcess.forkAndExec    (UNIXProcess.java) > </output>m  =    Although the JRE is trying to tell you the function is not0H    implemented, I think it's misleading.  IIRC I had something like thisE    working but I no longer have the example around.  First, check the C    Release Notes for the version of Java you're using and make suregG    there's nothing in there about Runtime.exec() being not implemented.o  F    You're passing the command "testfile" to be executed.  What happensH    if you just type "testfile" at the command prompt?  Are you depending@    on a DCL symbol or DCL$PATH to find and execute testfile.com?  B    If you're using a DCL symbol, that symbol is probably not beingE    passed on to the new process.  If you're using DCL$PATH, make surecH    it's defined in at least the JOB table (I'm assuming exec() creates a    subprocess).c  A    Better yet, change the command string to one you know DCL willcM    execute without any "help":  "@yourdisk:[yourdir.yoursubdir]testfile.com".,   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:26:16 -0000y( From: "Andoni" <andoni@REMOVE.indigo.ie>) Subject: Re: Java on VMS - Runtime.exec()i/ Message-ID: <xyZDb.1244$HR.3605@news.indigo.ie>   
 Hello all,  L My thanks for your help with this one.  I was mailed by someone who does notJ have write access to the group, who told me to check if there was a dollar3 sign at the beginning of each line in my .com file.    This fixed the problem..   Thanks again for all your help.    Andoni.y    H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:+Arq4y1GuH5S@eisner.encompasserve.org... : > In article <yWVDb.1214$HR.3540@news.indigo.ie>, "Andoni"! <andoni@REMOVE.indigo.ie> writes:e > + > >     Process p = myRun.exec("testfile");h > >o8 > > testfile.com is a simple script which only contains: > >c" > > write sys$output "Hello World" > > exit > >l > > <output>
 > > hello1
 > > hello2 > > hello2.1 > > hello2.2  > > IO: function not implemented1 > > java.io.IOException: function not implemented-F > >         at java.lang.UNIXProcess.forkAndExec    (UNIXProcess.java)
 > > </output>j >:? >    Although the JRE is trying to tell you the function is not6J >    implemented, I think it's misleading.  IIRC I had something like thisG >    working but I no longer have the example around.  First, check the E >    Release Notes for the version of Java you're using and make surepI >    there's nothing in there about Runtime.exec() being not implemented.  >tH >    You're passing the command "testfile" to be executed.  What happensJ >    if you just type "testfile" at the command prompt?  Are you dependingB >    on a DCL symbol or DCL$PATH to find and execute testfile.com? >rD >    If you're using a DCL symbol, that symbol is probably not beingG >    passed on to the new process.  If you're using DCL$PATH, make sureyJ >    it's defined in at least the JOB table (I'm assuming exec() creates a >    subprocess).h >hC >    Better yet, change the command string to one you know DCL wille  >    execute without any "help":- "@yourdisk:[yourdir.yoursubdir]testfile.com".r >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:52:24 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>n# Subject: Re: KZPSC-AA Documentation80 Message-ID: <-9adnZXAPpIUzH2iRVn-uA@comcast.com>  I  I believe that this board was also marketed as the RAID Array 230.  Try n' Google to search for the documentation!o  G HP's search engine is pretty lame; even if you give it the exact title OH of a document, or the order number of the document, it STILL can't find G it.   It's probably mentioned somewhere in each of the 53,000 hits you tI get but that's not terribly useful.  Or, you may not get any hits at all f+ even though the document you want is there.n   Barry wrote:  H >I have A alpha 1000A that has a KZPSC-aa single channel raid controllerL >installed and isn't being used. I would like to set it up and use it to addK >extra disks and maybe a external tape drive. I didn't have any luck tryingoK >the HP web site. Any pointers to setup and/or configuration documentation.s >- >Barry Streets >The Echo Groups >bstreets@echoman.come >F >6 >  E >1   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Dec 03 06:50:54 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comh# Subject: Re: KZPSC-AA Documentationt( Message-ID: <fZ9Oyu$Haou0@cpva.saic.com>  0 In article <-9adnZXAPpIUzH2iRVn-uA@comcast.com>,6  "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:K >  I believe that this board was also marketed as the RAID Array 230.  Try g) > Google to search for the documentation!t > I > HP's search engine is pretty lame; even if you give it the exact title  J > of a document, or the order number of the document, it STILL can't find I > it.   It's probably mentioned somewhere in each of the 53,000 hits you eK > get but that's not terribly useful.  Or, you may not get any hits at all l- > even though the document you want is there.o >  > Barry wrote: > I >>I have A alpha 1000A that has a KZPSC-aa single channel raid controlleraM >>installed and isn't being used. I would like to set it up and use it to add L >>extra disks and maybe a external tape drive. I didn't have any luck tryingL >>the HP web site. Any pointers to setup and/or configuration documentation. >> >>Barry Streets  >>The Echo Group >>bstreets@echoman.com >>  C "SWXCR" and "RCU" are other strings you'll want to feed to google -rB probably in combination with "VMS". My recollection is that you'll> need to use the RCU - raid configuration utility - or SWXCRMGR9 utility from your system console to configure the KZPSC. o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:53:47 -0700t% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>s# Subject: Re: KZPSC-AA DocumentationcB Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031217075141.01ff8258@raptor.psccos.com>  6 At 07:50 AM 12/17/2003, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote:1 >In article <-9adnZXAPpIUzH2iRVn-uA@comcast.com>,t8 >  "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:L > >  I believe that this board was also marketed as the RAID Array 230.  Try+ > > Google to search for the documentation!  > >hJ > > HP's search engine is pretty lame; even if you give it the exact titleK > > of a document, or the order number of the document, it STILL can't find-J > > it.   It's probably mentioned somewhere in each of the 53,000 hits youL > > get but that's not terribly useful.  Or, you may not get any hits at all/ > > even though the document you want is there.  > >h > > Barry wrote: > >cK > >>I have A alpha 1000A that has a KZPSC-aa single channel raid controller O > >>installed and isn't being used. I would like to set it up and use it to add N > >>extra disks and maybe a external tape drive. I didn't have any luck tryingN > >>the HP web site. Any pointers to setup and/or configuration documentation. > >> > >>Barry Streetse > >>The Echo Group > >>bstreets@echoman.com > >> >7D >"SWXCR" and "RCU" are other strings you'll want to feed to google -C >probably in combination with "VMS". My recollection is that you'llu? >need to use the RCU - raid configuration utility - or SWXCRMGR 9 >utility from your system console to configure the KZPSC.o  H The problem is (and I'm going thru the same thing at this time) the docsE that DO exist on the SWXCR are VERY spotty at best.  I've come to the F conclusion you need a hardware guru versed in this particular board to2 really get any kind of in-depth question answered.  I My specific problem at this time is that the card will recognize and workpJ find with external drives (plugged into the port on the back of the card),K but won't recognize any drives internal to the 1000 cabinet (and all cables9I have been checked to make sure they're plugged in & terminated).  But trye  to find out any info on that...!     ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:18:38 +0100 ( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL># Subject: RE: KZPSC-AA DocumentationcC Message-ID: <6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737EC3@wt15.wt.tno.nl>   C Could there be a problem with the termination on the board itself?  8 Could it be that that is to be changed through software?  K I do recall that that was the case on the boards (I do not recall the exactn type) I have used.J There was a difference in whether you use one or both internal connectors.I The one on the board itself (not on the side of the board!) could be used-J without changing the factory default. Using both internal connectors would% involve changing the default setting.B   YMHO,,   FWIW   Mark   -----Original Message-----, From: Dan O'Reilly [mailto:dano@process.com]( Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 15:54 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComL# Subject: Re: KZPSC-AA Documentationt    6 At 07:50 AM 12/17/2003, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote:1 >In article <-9adnZXAPpIUzH2iRVn-uA@comcast.com>, 8 >  "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:L > >  I believe that this board was also marketed as the RAID Array 230.  Try+ > > Google to search for the documentation!I > >eJ > > HP's search engine is pretty lame; even if you give it the exact titleK > > of a document, or the order number of the document, it STILL can't find J > > it.   It's probably mentioned somewhere in each of the 53,000 hits youL > > get but that's not terribly useful.  Or, you may not get any hits at all/ > > even though the document you want is there.o > >i > > Barry wrote: > >sK > >>I have A alpha 1000A that has a KZPSC-aa single channel raid controllersO > >>installed and isn't being used. I would like to set it up and use it to addeN > >>extra disks and maybe a external tape drive. I didn't have any luck tryingN > >>the HP web site. Any pointers to setup and/or configuration documentation. > >> > >>Barry Streetsg > >>The Echo Group > >>bstreets@echoman.com > >> >eD >"SWXCR" and "RCU" are other strings you'll want to feed to google -C >probably in combination with "VMS". My recollection is that you'lll? >need to use the RCU - raid configuration utility - or SWXCRMGRt9 >utility from your system console to configure the KZPSC.u  H The problem is (and I'm going thru the same thing at this time) the docsE that DO exist on the SWXCR are VERY spotty at best.  I've come to the.F conclusion you need a hardware guru versed in this particular board to2 really get any kind of in-depth question answered.  I My specific problem at this time is that the card will recognize and work5J find with external drives (plugged into the port on the back of the card),K but won't recognize any drives internal to the 1000 cabinet (and all cablesrI have been checked to make sure they're plugged in & terminated).  But tryn  to find out any info on that...!     ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:21:22 -0700d% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>t# Subject: RE: KZPSC-AA DocumentationtB Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031217092100.01fea9a8@raptor.psccos.com>  G I only have 1 internal connector, plus the one on the end of the board.t  - At 09:18 AM 12/17/2003, Bruin, J.M. de wrote:hC >Could there be a problem with the termination on the board itself?c9 >Could it be that that is to be changed through software?n >eL >I do recall that that was the case on the boards (I do not recall the exact >type) I have used. K >There was a difference in whether you use one or both internal connectors.nJ >The one on the board itself (not on the side of the board!) could be usedK >without changing the factory default. Using both internal connectors wouldc& >involve changing the default setting. >  >YMHO, >  >FWIWs >i >Mark  >  >-----Original Message------- >From: Dan O'Reilly [mailto:dano@process.com]c) >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 15:54  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com$ >Subject: Re: KZPSC-AA Documentation >1 >47 >At 07:50 AM 12/17/2003, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote:w3 > >In article <-9adnZXAPpIUzH2iRVn-uA@comcast.com>,>: > >  "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:N > > >  I believe that this board was also marketed as the RAID Array 230.  Try- > > > Google to search for the documentation!a > > >rL > > > HP's search engine is pretty lame; even if you give it the exact titleM > > > of a document, or the order number of the document, it STILL can't find L > > > it.   It's probably mentioned somewhere in each of the 53,000 hits youN > > > get but that's not terribly useful.  Or, you may not get any hits at all1 > > > even though the document you want is there.  > > >A > > > Barry wrote: > > >cM > > >>I have A alpha 1000A that has a KZPSC-aa single channel raid controller K > > >>installed and isn't being used. I would like to set it up and use it m > to addJ > > >>extra disks and maybe a external tape drive. I didn't have any luck  > tryingB > > >>the HP web site. Any pointers to setup and/or configuration  > documentation. > > >> > > >>Barry Streetse > > >>The Echo Group > > >>bstreets@echoman.com > > >> > >yF > >"SWXCR" and "RCU" are other strings you'll want to feed to google -E > >probably in combination with "VMS". My recollection is that you'lluA > >need to use the RCU - raid configuration utility - or SWXCRMGRU; > >utility from your system console to configure the KZPSC.u > I >The problem is (and I'm going thru the same thing at this time) the docsPF >that DO exist on the SWXCR are VERY spotty at best.  I've come to theG >conclusion you need a hardware guru versed in this particular board to 3 >really get any kind of in-depth question answered.  > J >My specific problem at this time is that the card will recognize and workK >find with external drives (plugged into the port on the back of the card), L >but won't recognize any drives internal to the 1000 cabinet (and all cablesJ >have been checked to make sure they're plugged in & terminated).  But try! >to find out any info on that...!  >D >c >------ K >+-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+-K >| Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |5K >| Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |gK >| Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |pK >| http://www.process.com        |                                        | K >+-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+D   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:39:49 -0500A* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>* Subject: Re: lbr$ routines and concurrency3 Message-ID: <2C%Db.7142$G1.33261@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>r  5 >"Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> a F >crit dans le message de news:F0qDb.86720$dt3.53009@news.chello.at...! >>$ open/read/write/share f f.tlbp >>$ lib/repl f.tlb f.txtC >>%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening DGSI_A1:[TREMBLAY]F.TLB; as input73 >>-RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another userl >> >>Yup. That's still the case.s >a/ >What did you expect ? You opened it /WRITE ...    also /SHAREh  I demonstrating that LIBRARIAN will NOT open /SHARE itself, thus concurrent7 write seems not possible.t  K And JF noted that it is not even possible when the file is open for READ by,J other users. And proof of this is that you cannot update the SYSDEVCTL.TLBG when you have symbionts using it. You must do a copy of the file first.    -- e Syltremn   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address----J "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> a crit dans le message/ de news:F0qDb.86720$dt3.53009@news.chello.at...u? > In article <eepDb.7066$G1.32709@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"n" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:L > >I remember on older VMS versions that you could not insert into a library$ > >when it was open by someone else. > > 
 > >Let's see:  > >e > >$ lib/create/text f
 > >$ cr f.txtf
 > >hello Exit " > >$ open/read/write/share f f.tlb > >$ lib/repl f.tlb f.txttD > >%LIBRAR-F-OPENIN, error opening DGSI_A1:[TREMBLAY]F.TLB; as input4 > >-RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user > >o > >Yup. That's still the case. > 0 > What did you expect ? You opened it /WRITE ... >h0 > >The last command froze (timeout of 1 minute). >iK > Which is in my eyes an advantage (if timeout is controllable, it is a big  one).  >vI > Which leads to the question, why eg. HELP doesn't open the help libraryeE > /READ/NOWRITE/SHARE=WRITE and LIBRARIAN opens the file /SHARE=READ. K > I see no disadvantage, but otherwise every single user is able to prevent5 an- > installation adding something to HELPLIB...I >rL > >I also remember doing a CTRL/Y when the command was frozen, would corruptK > >the file (back in version 4 or 5). This seems not to be the case anymore- but- > >you ought to be careful.: >3 > I never seen that, though. >@ > -- c > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialistO > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:37:32 -0500T& From: "Chris Moore" <just@my.twocents> Subject: Re: Mount9 Message-ID: <aqODb.6710$CK3.521403@news20.bellglobal.com>o  A I think you'll find that RMT0: is a device template for driving aiK remotely-mounted tape device (i.e. on another system)  Since you presumablynI haven't configured any of these (which would likely appear as RMT1:, etc)sK you can't mount them as yet.  MUA0: references either a physically-attachedr) device, or one directly mapped to the o/sh    1 "newbee" <redram360@netzero.net> wrote in messagee7 news:5d8e5ad4.0312161437.70fe8733@posting.google.com...TE > I'm trying to mount a device on a GESCAN system... When I do a showhH > dev, my two magnetic tape devices come back as MUA0... online  RMT0...: > offline.  How do I bring RMT0 online?  Thanks in advance   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:29:23 +0100 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>g, Subject: Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS8 Message-ID: <brp7lg$5v7t1$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>   Lyndon Bartels wrote:aF > I compiled the c code with the /list/show=all qualifiers... included	 > below:   > / >>           13476 image_list card_images[] = {t? >>           13477   { "ac", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, card_synth, 0 },- ...4A >>           13530   { "back", 1, 1, {0,0,0}, 0, back_synth, 0 },n >>           13531   { 0 } >>           13532 };  >>           135336 >>       1   13534 REGISTER_IMAGE_LIBRARY(card_images) >>                 1! >> %CC-E-NOSEMI, (1) Missing ";".C >> d+ >>        E        static void __register().; >> __attribute__((constructor)); static void __register() {e% >> _register_imagelib(card_images); }s >>           13535 .  ; And it doesn't further expand __attribute__? Interesting...e? I would have expected that it has a macro somewhere for non-gcc  compilers like   #ifndef __GNUC__ #define __attribute__(x) #endif  8 as http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/gnu-c-attributes.html= suggests. On the other hand, without too high a warning level>> turned on, the (undefined) __attribute__ macro should probably8 be quietly defined to an empty string, and thus omitted.  0 > The _register_imagelib function is as follows: >> m >> int* >> _register_imagelib (image_list *images) >> { ...s >>   return 1; >> } > C > It originally didn't have the "return 1;" in it, but the compileroB > complained so I put it in. Maybe I should return something else?  ? For a *ix originated procedure, 0 is normally the return statusdC indicating success. But I don't think that's relevant for the aboveo error.  tG > In my search, I found that __attribute__ is a gnu cc compiler "hook?"eC >   to tell the compiler how to treat the the function.. I think...   C It's a pragma to change the way the compiler behaves with regard toaB the function. Instead of this, DECC supports the ANSI type #pragmaD directive. I can't see from http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/-4 6180P.html that DECC would understand __attribute__.  ? Judging from the description at http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/-yB gcc-3.2/gcc/Function-Attributes.html, you should include a call to> __register() very early in main() for non-gcc. Or just comment= out that whole mess, and call _register_imagelib(card_images) 	 directly.h   cu,t   Martin -- ,F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.desF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 00:57:19 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Merchandise= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0312170057.26af7050@posting.google.com>,  y "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> wrote in message news:<x1JDb.130953$Vu5.8068432@twister.southeast.rr.com>...oL > OK, I give, what do you want me to do?  Add more of a variety of shirts orL > items?  More logo wear?  If there's something some of you would like me toN > add and you'd be willing to buy just let me know, I'll do my best to add it. > J > Remember copyrights and trademarks.  I can't just go hog wild with other > peoples logos. > L > I'd be very willing to create catchy statements and the like for t-shirts.N > I know John Smith can come up with several.  :)  BTW John,  I don't make anyE > money off the merchandise, they're done by a company that employeesaH > handicapped individuals.  I let them keep the profit for their people.$ > That's why I don't use Cafe Shops. >   D I just gave a suggestion ! :-) Ok ? I would like to wear OpenVMS.orgC shirts if you accept my suggestion in the foundation of OpenVMS.orgs% International or something like this. : I write you that there are a lot of OpenVMS guys worldwideE with their one-man-company ! Why not join everybody under OpenVMS.orgn ?  Or OpenVMS.org Associated ?   C Why couldt I (in Brazil) or Didier (in France - just an example ;-)d becomeF OpenVMS.org representives etc...would be good for the product/brand !   3 PS: I want a OpenVMS coat like that from EMC :-))))    Regards1   FC 0   > -- > Kenneth Farmer  <><n! > OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.orgo" > EnterpriseUnix.org  |  Tru64.org >  >  >  >  >  > = > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messagen9 > news:f30679fb.0312130858.18ffdc9c@posting.google.com...d > > Ken Farmer > > 9 > > What about improving some OpenVMS.org merchandising ?o > >  > > Check for example: > > 8 > > http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=gentoolinux > >a; > > By the way there is a Gentoo Linux version for Alpha's.a > >s9 > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-alpha-install.xmlm > >v; > > I will try some day... when I finish to mount/refurbishs > > my AS-1000 at home ! > >t > > Regardsc > >s > > FC   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 06:19:36 -08000 From: keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg)< Subject: Re: OpenVMS, CSWS (apache), PHP and ... Rdb ???!!!!= Message-ID: <3a65a5c8.0312170619.3460f60a@posting.google.com>L   Hi Jack,  . are you aware of the Rdb/PHP work done by the 0 National Public Health Institute KTL of Finland?  3 Here is a link to their homegrown PHP Modules whicht5 I believe makes use of Rdb's native SQL/Services API,e	 not ODBC.9   http://www.ktl.fi/distribution/    Cheers!o   Keith Cayembergw ICA GmbH - Hannover, Germany      z Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@earthlink.nospamme> wrote in message news:<FKHCb.147$sW5.25@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...H > I was extactic to just recently find out that CSWS V1.2 came with PHP  > and MySQL! > J > What I really want to know, is any one working on PHP for Rdb !  Oracle J > amnounced support for PHP in their "other" product line back in Aug '03. >  > jp   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:58:33 +0100 2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on WintelH* Message-ID: <brov3g$q1f$1@reader10.wxs.nl>  F Yes, but only "sort of". The ILO port connects to the Windows console F only. It is generally connected to a separate management network. The F interface is not "visible" from the main Windows environment. So, you H get the benefits from remote management without the risks of connecting & your Windows host to the main network.  F Then again, there is a physical and logical connection, so there is a 7 theoretical possibility for malware to trickle through.    Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > Wilm Boerhout wrote: >   I > If it is another NIC, that means that software, somewhere, is going to eI > have to interface with Windows -- Isn't this 6 one way, half-dozen the O > other? > Barryi >    --  
 Wilm Boerhoutl   w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl(    (remove OLD PAINT from reply address)   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 07:17:45 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintelv3 Message-ID: <knpVtl3n$izg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3FDF76E8.4030300@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:u > H > So for us, our production system has just about every service MS ever K > invented, turned off.  Besides Charon being installed and running, we do  G > also have a neat program called VNC which requires TCP/IP running on kE > Windows, but this allows us to remote into the system with minimal hJ > overhead, or risk, to the system and still be able to deal with all the K > prior mentioned tasks that could not be done without an IP stack running n > on Windows...V  E    Yes.  We use VNC on a lot of things.  In this case I won't need ita/    but it could be a good idea for many others.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:30:39 +0100m2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel-* Message-ID: <brq452$og5$1@reader08.wxs.nl>   Bob Koehler wrote: :y > H >    How about VMS 5.5-2?  I thought I saw that 5.5-2H2 was required forI >    at least one of the Charon-VAXen.  I don't have an H2 kit.  Will oneu >    of them run 5.5-2?I  F I'll check with SRI, but I think CHARON-VAX Industrial will run older E versions. There is no minimum version mentioned in the product sheet.s   > H >    Make sense if I'm using two NICs, but I'm not sure I follow (out of2 >    curiousity how it works if I'm using one NIC. >   I It doesn't. That is, If you have one NIC in your host platform, the host eI and CHARON-VAX VMS cannot talk to one another, because either Windows or o$ VMS is not connected to the network.   > H >    OK, I know where Windows put's each user's startup (on login area),* >    but where's the startup on boot area? >   B Various places in the registry hold startup information. The HKCU D (current user login hive) is only one of them, as is the Start Menu E Startup section. The HKLM hive also has a startup section, activated RF when the machine boots. Again, CHARON-VAX XM/XL can run as a service, G and that in turn may be configured to start automagically at boot time.    Wilm   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:09:40 -0800eA From: David Spencer <spencer@removethissubdomain.pageweavers.com>h> Subject: Re: Shopping basket toolkit for vms/osu http_server ?L Message-ID: <161220032309407519%spencer@removethissubdomain.pageweavers.com>  f In article <brmltk$9v5$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:  K > Anyone know of anything useful for keeping track of a 'shopping basket', nK > before I get on with re-inventing the wheel ? Running Alpha VMS 7.3, OSU iK > http_server. Already done something similar with cgi, so I know it's not sJ > rocket science, but if there's a package or toolset out there that will 0 > do the work for me reliably I'd sooner use it. > B > Wouldn't mind recommendations for credit card software too - we D > currently outsource through Commidea, but a significant number of G > customers mysteriously can't complete payment, & have to phone or be e7 > phoned, although we haven't got to the bottom of why.r > 	 > Thanks,a > Chris Sharmant  C Chris, we've developed a number of ecommerce applications using OSUc@ on VMS 7.2-1 with BASIC. For an example, visit www.millswear.com  A Please contact us if you're interested in any of what we've done..     -- Dave Spencer, PageWeavers   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:08:58 -0500/< From: "Peter Weaver" <weaverconsultingservices@sympatico.ca>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSn9 Message-ID: <5GQDb.7104$CK3.582822@news20.bellglobal.com>R  K Both Posted to comp.os.vms and sent via e-mail (not something I usually do,e# but this is an important question).t  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:HG$0VNVUM7tD@eisner.encompasserve.org...gK > In article <5MLDb.67739$NNW1.61351@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,a% "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >...H > > Peter's customer believes what they believe because they see nothing from HP. > > to the contrary. >  > Not at all.  It is either: >  > 1)  ill-informed > 2)  a deliberate lie >...   Sir,+ Exactly who are you accusing of lying here?n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:37:30 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <3FE00793.DA41C186@istop.com>o   Tom Linden wrote: K > to believe that there is a sense of business in HP that would look at thel	 > numberseK > and adjust their business accordingly.  Business people in my experience,"	 > are notS > idealogists.    M Except when you decide that an unprofitable product line is strategic to yourgL business and you become a slave to your main suppliers (Microsoft and Intel)L in order to obtain from them slightly lower prices, even if it means that toK please your suppliers , you need to make self sacrifices on your profitablei (but competing) product lines.  L HP is measured by Wall Street Casino analysts on its PC business. So HP puts1 priority on competing against Dell on cost/price.t    H Also, in the  case of HP, you are making the mistake of assuming that HPL management view VMS as a unique, different product. While Tandem has managedN to maintain its "unique product" status with clearly identified captive marketN niches, VMS is victim of its versatility. There isn't much that is done on VMSF that can't be done on UNIX, especially if HP succeeds in moving better clustering to HP-UX.  N Yes, we, the techies, know full well that VMS offers many superior features to2 any Unix. But HP management don't see it that way.  L If 90% of VMS customers use only a subset of VMS that happens to also existsM on Unix, then 90% of those customers could migrate to Unix. In fact, when you)N consider VMS's decline during the end of Olsen and all of Palmer eras, this isN exactly what happened. Palmer went one steop ahead and wanted VMS customers to migrate to NT.    F So, the minute HP management have been convinced that the majority VMSM customers could migrate to HP-UX, guess what their long term plan is going tot be ?  K Consider that when VMS was under Digital, Digital has a strategic asset, an N advantage over competitors such as HP.  But now, HP owns all that intellectualL property and will, over time, be able to implement all sorts of goodies intoL HP-UX. This means that over time, the gap between VMS and HP-UX will narrow.  K Also consider that if HP were to kill VMS today, those VMS customers who do"N need the unique features of VMS (such as 400km clustering) wouldn't be able toH go elsewhere for the same, and would then have to choose the vendor that, offers the largest subset of VMS clustering.  P Right now, that might be IBM. But wait a couple of years, and it might be HP-UX.    N Consider the possibility that HP might be doing to VMS what Compaq should haveE done to Alpha: keep it alive until your strategic platform has becomen
 competitive.    H When you combine the Stallard original memo ("we expect VMS customers toM migrate to HP-UX over time", with HP insisting on promising not to cancel VMS0L for 5 years (which is tantamount to admitting that their true intentions areK to cancel VMS - otherwise they woudln't have made such statements and would I have instead included VMS in their core product offering and marketed it)e  K So, when you combine all of that, it makes it quite credible that HP's real L plans with regards to VMS is to keep it of life supportr, limiting attritionL to a manageable rate until HP-UX has obtained a sufficient proportion of theN features that make VMS unique, at which point, the migration from VMS to HP-UX will become more agressive..    K It doesn't matter that VMS is profitable for HP. If Carly is convinced thatdN she could simply move profitable VMS customers over to HP-UX, then it would beJ a wise move from a corporate and profit point of view. You'd eliminate VMSI development costs, eliminate any VMS-specific hardware requirements,  yet T you'd keep the same revenus since former VMS custoemrs would now be HP-UX customers.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 07:27:18 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSc3 Message-ID: <$BM+qjHp+NHF@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  x In article <5GQDb.7104$CK3.582822@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Peter Weaver" <weaverconsultingservices@sympatico.ca> writes:M > Both Posted to comp.os.vms and sent via e-mail (not something I usually do,i% > but this is an important question).i > : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:HG$0VNVUM7tD@eisner.encompasserve.org... L >> In article <5MLDb.67739$NNW1.61351@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:? >>... I >> > Peter's customer believes what they believe because they see nothings	 > from HPh >> > to the contrary.r >> >> Not at all.  It is either:i >> >> 1)  ill-informedh >> 2)  a deliberate lie  >>...c >  > Sir,- > Exactly who are you accusing of lying here?h >   ? 	Someone that would say VMS is dead.  That statement is either:e   			1)  ill-informedi 			2)  a deliberate lie"  ? 	ill-informed in the sense maybe they overheard someone saying 0A 	"she had PMS shortly before she died" and misinterpreted that asn= 	"VMS is dead."  Or to get the rumor mill going, is bored oneIB 	day and says:  "VMS is dead."  Knowing full well such a statement  	isn't true or a deliberate lie.  ? 	Now I don't care how 1) or 2) is arrived at, I'm simply saying = 	it is one or the other.  Feel free to debate, this is Usenetn
 	you know.   				Robo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:43:11 -0500r< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSv9 Message-ID: <brptih$61fsp$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    Rob Young wrote:; > In article <5GQDb.7104$CK3.582822@news20.bellglobal.com>,a "Peter9 > Weaver" <weaverconsultingservices@sympatico.ca> writes:a6 >> Both Posted to comp.os.vms and sent via e-mail (not something Iu2 >> usually do, but this is an important question). >>; >> "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in messageh0 >> news:HG$0VNVUM7tD@eisner.encompasserve.org... >>> In article >>>-> <5MLDb.67739$NNW1.61351@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,( >> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >>> ... = >>>> Peter's customer believes what they believe because theyA seeH >>>> nothing
 >> from HP >>>> to the contrary.i >>>8 >>> Not at all.  It is either: >>>t >>> 1)  ill-informed >>> 2)  a deliberate lie >>> ...T >> >> Sir,e. >> Exactly who are you accusing of lying here? >> >n8 > Someone that would say VMS is dead.  That statement is either:d >m > 1)  ill-informed > 2)  a deliberate lie >I8 > ill-informed in the sense maybe they overheard someone saying: > "she had PMS shortly before she died" and misinterpreted that asy> > "VMS is dead."  Or to get the rumor mill going, is bored one9 > day and says:  "VMS is dead."  Knowing full well such a1	 statementa! > isn't true or a deliberate lie.n >l9 > Now I don't care how 1) or 2) is arrived at, I'm simply  saying> > it is one or the other.  Feel free to debate, this is Usenet > you know.e >y > Robr  3 It is easy to know how both 1 and 2 are arrived at.o; "Ill-informed" because HP has done nothing to tell her thatG; VMS is still alive. "A deliberate lie" because vendors likee; Sun, IBM and even HP* come in and tell her that VMS is deadn< and even worse is that HP continues to promote their lies by/ doing nothing to tell her that VMS is not dead.R  > * Yes, HP. Last year we had a presentation from HP, Kerry Main< was there to talk about VMS and a "Mr. W." was there to talk; about HP-UX. Mr. W. said that HP-UX will get the clustering:9 technology from Tru64 that "You may remember from the VMS7< days." This was post-merger of course, he had enough time to> change his script from "You may remember from the VMS days" to< "That millions of VMS customers depend on daily," but he was> still trying to refer to VMS in the past tense. When Kerry did5 his presentation Mr. W. did everything he could to bee= completely un-interested in what was being said. What messagee< did this idiot send to the management people who were in the room?u   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.t Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXr www.weaverconsulting.cai   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 10:18:27 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)y1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <ZKnJC441ubON@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  x In article <brptih$61fsp$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:   >> 1)  ill-informeda >> 2)  a deliberate lieP >>9 >> ill-informed in the sense maybe they overheard someonet > saying; >> "she had PMS shortly before she died" and misinterpretedn	 > that as ? >> "VMS is dead."  Or to get the rumor mill going, is bored oneo: >> day and says:  "VMS is dead."  Knowing full well such a > statementl" >> isn't true or a deliberate lie. >>: >> Now I don't care how 1) or 2) is arrived at, I'm simply > saying? >> it is one or the other.  Feel free to debate, this is Usenet  >> you know. >> >> Rob > 5 > It is easy to know how both 1 and 2 are arrived at.v= > "Ill-informed" because HP has done nothing to tell her thath > VMS is still alive.     3 	No.  Someone might believe Sybase is dead.  No ones< 	told them Sybase is alive.  You can make stronger or weaker: 	analogies, point is I'm not saying never advertise.  I am= 	saying lack of advertising doesn't make me believe somethinga 	doesn't exist anymore.d  ) > "A deliberate lie" because vendors liket= > Sun, IBM and even HP* come in and tell her that VMS is deado> > and even worse is that HP continues to promote their lies by1 > doing nothing to tell her that VMS is not dead.y    @ 	Okay, so that is why they repeat a lie.  I've told stories too,= 	not knowing they weren't true - gone back and confronted the = 	person on what they told me and often it is innocent.  "Well " 	I thought I heard such and such."  : 	Hearing a prodcut is dead from a competing vendor and not< 	checking it out?  Is that curious behavior or carelessness?    @ > * Yes, HP. Last year we had a presentation from HP, Kerry Main> > was there to talk about VMS and a "Mr. W." was there to talk= > about HP-UX. Mr. W. said that HP-UX will get the clustering0; > technology from Tru64 that "You may remember from the VMSm> > days." This was post-merger of course, he had enough time to@ > change his script from "You may remember from the VMS days" to> > "That millions of VMS customers depend on daily," but he was@ > still trying to refer to VMS in the past tense. When Kerry did7 > his presentation Mr. W. did everything he could to beh? > completely un-interested in what was being said. What messagey> > did this idiot send to the management people who were in the > room?u    8 	The same message competing vendors attempt to say aboutB 	others when they do a presentation.  I sat through a presentation; 	and the competition was so desperate to run another vendorc= 	down (they know all 3 are competing), he is trotting out hisi< 	laptop in the hallway to show how the competition's product9 	was tested and rejected.  When I went back to the vendors> 	to report what the other vendor had said and shown me, "Well,G 	that isn't how it works."  Just goes to show the level of desperation.I  = 	Now among "family".  I'm not surprised there either.  I knowt@ 	much more about Unix than the Unix weenies know about VMS.  One> 	Unix weenie to his credit is a fan of VMS (even though he may> 	never touch it) as I have taken the time to educate and point@ 	out the technical advantages  (shared system disk, shared disk,; 	ease of management, King of Clusters, security, etc. etc.):   				Rob>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:43:18 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSn9 Message-ID: <brq138$69gru$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>b   Rob Young wrote: >...4 > No.  Someone might believe Sybase is dead.  No one= > told them Sybase is alive.  You can make stronger or weaker ; > analogies, point is I'm not saying never advertise.  I amt> > saying lack of advertising doesn't make me believe something > doesn't exist anymore.  ; OK, Rob, it doesn't make YOU believe it, fine. BUT I AM NOTi7 TALKING ABOUT YOU! I am talking about a company that ish: migrating an application from Alpha/VMS to Windows because; they believe Compaq killed VMS last year. If they picked upt: the Toronto Globe and Mail tomorrow and saw a full page ad8 telling them that VMS did not see that virus attack that: closed down the ATM they tried using a few months ago then< they may question their incorrect view that VMS is dead. BUT; THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEE AN AD FROM HP ABOUT VMS ARE THEY?u   >...; > Hearing a prodcut is dead from a competing vendor and notb= > checking it out?  Is that curious behavior or carelessness?n >...  < Standard behaviour, judging from the number of people I hear> tell me that VMS is dead. Have you never talked to someone who8 told you they thought VMS was dead? Have you never had a> senior person come into your company and question why you have= VMS instead of Unix or Windows because "Everyone knows VMS is < finished" (that was eight years ago, but I can still picture= his face as he said that)? If you have not you must live in a- different world than I do.   -- - Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.- Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXe www.weaverconsulting.ca2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:59:17 -0500u+ From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>91 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSnA Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031217114925.07e66ec0@mail.patmedia.net>8  5 At 11:43 AM 12/17/2003, Peter Weaver wrote (in part):   = >Standard behaviour, judging from the number of people I heart? >tell me that VMS is dead. Have you never talked to someone whoa9 >told you they thought VMS was dead? Have you never had at? >senior person come into your company and question why you havee> >VMS instead of Unix or Windows because "Everyone knows VMS is= >finished" (that was eight years ago, but I can still picturen> >his face as he said that)? If you have not you must live in a >different world than I do.e  L I have had that experience many times and each time I have either told that H person where to find information about VMS not being dead or have given D them the information. I don't know if it made a difference in their 5 decisions, but at least I tried to set them straight.c  I The real question is .... What did you do to tell them otherwise. If you  D did nothing or just said "No it isn't", you are contributing to the I problem.  We all have to be pro-active when it comes to pushing VMS as a oJ viable solution.  If all you are doing is saying "Woe is me! VMS is dying J because HP is not advertising," then you are part of the problem, not the 	 solution.b  C I've been using VMS since 1980 and I don't remember DEC doing much tI advertising of VMS back then either (remember we all joked about stealth rK marketing), but somehow companies got the message. What was different then?u  J Enough with the "you said/I said". Let's try to do something constructive.  
 Ken Robinson a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:15:06 -0500n< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSd9 Message-ID: <brq2uu$66q57$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>i   Ken Robinson wrote:o >...8 > The real question is .... What did you do to tell them
 otherwise. Ifo5 > you did nothing or just said "No it isn't", you are" contributing toh= > the problem.  We all have to be pro-active when it comes toi pushingt; > VMS as a viable solution.  If all you are doing is sayingR "Woe is me!f; > VMS is dying because HP is not advertising," then you are  part of then > problem, not the solution.  > Yes, I agree 100%, in this particular case it is useless since> the woman I was talking to said that they at 90% done with the port.t  9 > I've been using VMS since 1980 and I don't remember DECc
 doing much< > advertising of VMS back then either (remember we all joked aboutc< > stealth marketing), but somehow companies got the message. What was > different then?v  < I first met VMS in college. I ran into two of my instructors= at a trade show about 10 years ago, they told me that they dol not have VMS there anymore.e  > > Enough with the "you said/I said". Let's try to do something > constructive.   9 Ok, grab your phone, go to http://411.whitepages.com/ and-: start with the A's. I'll start with the M's, between us we: should be able to phone everyone and tell them that VMS is9 alive and kicking sometime before the end of 31-DEC-9999.b   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.o Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:19:19 -0500-( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS-, Message-ID: <3FE09E27.5060709@tsoft-inc.com>   Ken Robinson wrote:   7 > At 11:43 AM 12/17/2003, Peter Weaver wrote (in part):r > ? >> Standard behaviour, judging from the number of people I hear|A >> tell me that VMS is dead. Have you never talked to someone who ; >> told you they thought VMS was dead? Have you never had a A >> senior person come into your company and question why you have-@ >> VMS instead of Unix or Windows because "Everyone knows VMS is? >> finished" (that was eight years ago, but I can still picturem@ >> his face as he said that)? If you have not you must live in a >> different world than I do.t >  > I > I have had that experience many times and each time I have either told tI > that person where to find information about VMS not being dead or have rF > given them the information. I don't know if it made a difference in = > their decisions, but at least I tried to set them straight.  > K > The real question is .... What did you do to tell them otherwise. If you WF > did nothing or just said "No it isn't", you are contributing to the K > problem.  We all have to be pro-active when it comes to pushing VMS as a eF > viable solution.  If all you are doing is saying "Woe is me! VMS is J > dying because HP is not advertising," then you are part of the problem,  > not the solution.L > E > I've been using VMS since 1980 and I don't remember DEC doing much tK > advertising of VMS back then either (remember we all joked about stealth nM > marketing), but somehow companies got the message. What was different then?a     Plenty!P  4 Students coming out of school used VMS in classwork.  5 The trade rags had plenty of stories relavant to VMS.l  , ISVs were pushing their VMS based solutions.  @ A DEC salesperson knew what VMS was, and such creatures existed.   How long of a list do you want?t    L > Enough with the "you said/I said". Let's try to do something constructive. >  > Ken Robinson   Dave   -- t4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadf Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:20:19 +0000c% From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net>e( Subject: Re: Tracking down a MAC address8 Message-ID: <c9o0uvs2f9aff1pmej5e1ms6s13d2jl1bg@4ax.com>   Hi,   6 Firstly thanks to everyone who responded to my post.    B I have not yet managed to track the offendinghardware down yet, itF does indeed appear to be a Dell of some sort though.  The device is onD part of our network that is in Holland and I have limited access to.E Asking local support to see if they know what it is so should have anR answer in a year or so ;-)   ,  B I turned off TCP/IP services on this Alpha, pinging the IP addressA showed it as dead.  Going to look into turning off the interface,    Thanks again, 
 	Dave.        C On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:10:06 +0000, David Gray <police@spamcop.net>l wrote:   >Greetings,  >t; >I keep getting the following message in the operator log. s >s$ >Message from user INTERnet on SPIKEF >arp: local IP address nnnn.nnnn.nnnn.nnnn  in use by hardware address >00-06-5B-EF-4A-A2 > G >I have checked all the hardware addresses of everything  that could becF >causing this without success.  Any ideas on tracking down the culprit! >based on the MAC address alone? . >o" >$ucx show arp    gives no clues.  >n >Thanks in advance.  >o >	Dave.  >h >u >l >l >p   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 02:13:59 -0800+ From: toby@telegraphics.com.au (Toby Thain)d5 Subject: Re: VAX 11/750 and RL02 - trying to boot VMSz= Message-ID: <d6ce4a6c.0312170213.2e95d718@posting.google.com>o  h "misc@vectorgames.org" <misc@vectorgames.org> wrote in message news:<brdttn$kqr@library1.airnews.net>... > Hoff,t >  > > ...o > J > >   I will assume you are aware this is the second slowest VAX platform. >  > Speed is irrelevant.     : ) > 3 > It's a restoration project, along with my 11/780.r   Matt,i  F I will be very interested to know how you go with it; I have an 11/750B I would love to get going. I have no microcode tapes but do have aC bunch of TU58 blank media. Sooner or later I'll have to ask someonelA for a copy. I have the TU80/RA81 disk cabinet, not sure if eitherl4 peripheral (or the TU58 for that matter) is working.   Toby     >  > Thanks for the insight!> >  >  > 	 > 	- Matta   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:13:23 +0000 (UTC) * From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)1 Subject: Where is firmware 7.2 doc in plain text? 0 Message-ID: <brq2rj$lkc$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  B I want to upgrade my Digital Personal Workstation 600au to OpenVMSC V7.3-1.  The instructions say to upgrade the BIOS firmware to V5.70dD and SRM console to V7.2-1 first.  I have the cdrom with the firmware> on it, but want to read its release notes first.  These are inB postscript form only, filename DIGITALPW_V72_FW_RELNOTE.PS, and it won't print on my printer.  D Can anyone get me a plain text copy of DIGITALPW_V72_FW_RELNOTE.PS? ) Or can you give me a URL for it?  Thanks.a   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edun   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:09:39 -0800># From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a5 Subject: RE: Where is firmware 7.2 doc in plain text? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEOHIKAA.tom@kednos.com>c   Read it with Ghostview   >-----Original Message-----u2 >From: Lawrence Bleau [mailto:bleau@umtof.umd.edu]+ >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:13 AMg >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 >Subject: Where is firmware 7.2 doc in plain text? >r > C >I want to upgrade my Digital Personal Workstation 600au to OpenVMS D >V7.3-1.  The instructions say to upgrade the BIOS firmware to V5.70E >and SRM console to V7.2-1 first.  I have the cdrom with the firmwaren? >on it, but want to read its release notes first.  These are in.C >postscript form only, filename DIGITALPW_V72_FW_RELNOTE.PS, and itl >won't print on my printer._ >rE >Can anyone get me a plain text copy of DIGITALPW_V72_FW_RELNOTE.PS? c* >Or can you give me a URL for it?  Thanks. >  >Lawrence Bleauc >University of Maryland # >Physics Dept., Space Physics Groupc
 >301-405-6223t >bleau@umtof.umd.edu >g >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.t; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).eA >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003v >s ---d& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:22:52 -0800i# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>h5 Subject: RE: Where is firmware 7.2 doc in plain text?n9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEOIIKAA.tom@kednos.com>o  D Not yet, on VMS, but Zinser is working on.  It may be avaialble for = Mac, I don't know, but it certainly works on Unix and Windows   K But you can also just convert the file to acrobat usimg the free service at   ) http://elib.uni-stuttgart.de/opus/ps2pdf/i     >-----Original Message-----d/ >From: Larry Bleau [mailto:bleau@umtof.umd.edu]n+ >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:28 AMo >To: tom@kednos.com.6 >Subject: Re: Where is firmware 7.2 doc in plain text? >  >  >>Read it with Ghostview >JD >Does this come with VMS?  I don't see it there, nor do I have it on >my Mac. >h >Lawrence Bleaue >University of Marylanda# >Physics Dept., Space Physics Groupl
 >301-405-6223k >bleau@umtof.umd.edu >p >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).OA >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003  >n ---r& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:52:33 +0000 (UTC)(* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)5 Subject: RE: Where is firmware 7.2 doc in plain text?d0 Message-ID: <brq551$ma6$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEOIIKAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:ME >Not yet, on VMS, but Zinser is working on.  It may be avaialble for F> >Mac, I don't know, but it certainly works on Unix and Windows >fL >But you can also just convert the file to acrobat usimg the free service at >t* >http://elib.uni-stuttgart.de/opus/ps2pdf/  : Thanks for the tip, Tom, that worked.  I'm reading it now.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.697 ************************.. when I finish to mount/refurbishs > > my AS-1000 at home ! > >t > > Regardsc > >s > > FC   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Dec 2003 06:19:36 -08000 From: keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg)< Subject: Re: OpenVMS, CSWS (apache), PHP and ... Rdb ???!!!!= Message-ID: <3ÂF6TVرNy4Y|PWD[:( ۤ0)0K9y@DX	@U57K/^ ѩPe	~:=͂:871{z^ŋ\ƥcݗ~}Xoo|l*9B%(fsfNi)NB8L!kM
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