1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 21 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 705       Contents:8 ALPHAstation 255/233 won't boot: nothing obviously wrong< Re: ALPHAstation 255/233 won't boot: nothing obviously wrong- can one embed escape sequences in the prompt? 1 Re: can one embed escape sequences in the prompt? 1 Re: can one embed escape sequences in the prompt? 1 Re: can one embed escape sequences in the prompt? ! Re: Freeware download corrupt (?) ! Re: Freeware download corrupt (?) ! Re: lbr$ routines and concurrency ! Re: lbr$ routines and concurrency 0 Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel Re: RAMDISK or the likes, Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindows0 Re: Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindows0 Re: Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindows0 Re: Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindows" scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:4 SHOW CLUSTER freezes the terminal on a VAX 4000-100A( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Where does HP fall in this equation?( Re: Where does HP fall in this equation?( Re: Where does HP fall in this equation?! Re: [TCPIP V5.4] SSH observations ! Re: [TCPIP V5.4] SSH observations   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:04:04 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)A Subject: ALPHAstation 255/233 won't boot: nothing obviously wrong $ Message-ID: <bs427j$2d8$1@online.de>  = My trusty ALPHAstation 255/233, which had been running almost H continuously since April 1997 (and, being one of the few machines I haveG bought and the only one I have bought new and my first private DEC box, 8 is especially dear to me), crashed on about 11 December,F (coincidentally?) a few days after I had upgraded to 7.3-1 from 7.2-1.D (The upgrade went through with no problems.)  This weekend, I had anB opportunity to examine it on-site.  I could find nothing obviously wrong.    D The console is set to serial, and I get ABSOLUTELY NO output on the D console (except for a few characters of what looks like line noise) B after switching the machine one.  (The terminal works fine as the  console for another ALPHA.)   E I opened up the box.  A light on a board lights up (on the left side  D toward the rear when looking from the front.)  The internal RZ26 (a B rebadged Quantum Fireball) seems to spin up (even if it didn't, I E wouldn't expect this from keeping the machine from booting).  Again,  ! there is nothing obviously wrong.   H Just in case something like this had happened, I had brought along a DECH 3000/300LX as a replacement and connected all the stuff to it which usedE to be connected to the 255/233.  This booted with no problems (which  G rules out the fact that there could be something wrong with the system  F disk (a shadow set of two RZ29's)---in any case, the 255 doesn't even  get as far as trying to boot).  H Not being a hardware guy, I would appreciate some hints as to "obvious" & things to check and how to check them.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:03:35 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <me@privacy.net>E Subject: Re: ALPHAstation 255/233 won't boot: nothing obviously wrong 9 Message-ID: <bs45u7$96j6t$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>   F On 2003-12-21 13:04, "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" wrote:   > [...]  > J > Not being a hardware guy, I would appreciate some hints as to "obvious" ( > things to check and how to check them.  F Take a multimeter and check the supply voltages first; there should beB +5V, +12V and perhaps -12V, each with tolerances of +/-5% or less.G Usually the ground wires on the DC (secondary) side of the power supply  are black; +5V may be red.   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. < Due to the current unavailability of 'despammed.com' and its; mail filtering service I'm temporarily using 'privacy.net'.  So be gentle please.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:19:02 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)6 Subject: can one embed escape sequences in the prompt?$ Message-ID: <bs433m$2d8$5@online.de>  F I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but can one embed escape B sequences in the prompt, e.g. to make it appear bold by using the : appropriate escape sequences for the terminal in question?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:41:50 +0100 ( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>: Subject: Re: can one embed escape sequences in the prompt?9 Message-ID: <bs485c$9b3pa$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 schreef in bericht news:bs433m$2d8$5@online.de... G > I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but can one embed escape C > sequences in the prompt, e.g. to make it appear bold by using the < > appropriate escape sequences for the terminal in question? > " Yes. But not necessarily usful :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:42:58 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG: Subject: Re: can one embed escape sequences in the prompt?0 Message-ID: <00A2AB37.B285B324@SendSpamHere.ORG>  w In article <bs433m$2d8$5@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: G >I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but can one embed escape  C >sequences in the prompt, e.g. to make it appear bold by using the  ; >appropriate escape sequences for the terminal in question?  >    Yes.     --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:11:23 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER): Subject: Re: can one embed escape sequences in the prompt?4 Message-ID: <fnlFb.173783$dt3.153484@news.chello.at>  w In article <bs433m$2d8$5@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: G >I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but can one embed escape  C >sequences in the prompt, e.g. to make it appear bold by using the  ; >appropriate escape sequences for the terminal in question?    Yes, it is.   L I use it for a decade now to restore video attributes or a bad scroll regionL (like EDT which doesn't turn it off on exit but sets it to 24 lines which is# bad on DECterms with larger sizes).   % $       sy_len  = F$LENGTH (node) - 1 P $       sy_str  = F$EX (0, 1, node) + F$ED (F$EX (1, sy_len, node), "LOWERCASE") $       us_len  = 2 P $       us_str  = F$EX (0, 1, user) + F$ED (F$EX (1, us_len, user), "LOWERCASE")' $       pr_str  = sy_str + "/" + us_str O $       prompt  = esc + "(B" + esc + "[4l" + esc + "7" + esc + "[r" + esc + "8" = $       prompt  = prompt  + esc + "[1m" + pr_str + esc + "[m" H $       IF .NOT. F$GETDVI ("TT", "TT_DECCRT") THEN prompt = pr_str + "$"! $       SET PROMPT = "''prompt' "   K So, if typing an exe or similar occur, one return and most/all is ok again.    YMMV   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:05:13 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> * Subject: Re: Freeware download corrupt (?)0 Message-ID: <dndFb.415550$Dw6.1284634@attbi_s02>   Martin P.J. Zinser wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote:  > ? >> How about posting an install kit when you are done?  Are you  >> also porting GSView?  >> >> Tom >> >>D > It is a while since I have build it myself. If there are problems,A > please drop me a note and we should be able to figure them out.   I I did try to build it on my Alpha/OpenVMS v7.3-1, DECWindows v1.3-021215,  and Compaq C v6.5-001.    It didn't get very far at all...   SETting UP MMK (v3.9-6...)#    X11 Setup (03/96): Executing ... $    Architecture:      Alpha , V7.3-1    Compiler:          DECC     Compiler Version:  C V6.5-001    Make Utility:      MMK     X11 Release:       R5@    X11_ROOT:          $1$DRA1:[DYSON.XTOOLS.GV.GHOSTVIEW-3_5_8.]5    XMAKE == "@X11_ROOT:[COMMAND]XMAKE DISTRIB STATIC"   '   X11 Setup (03/96): Compile Setup Done       X11 Make: Executing .../    X11 Make: starting production for target XMU (              in directory X11_ROOT:[XMU]  -    Target:       XMULIB , Version XMU_R5_V1.2 4    Platform:     X11 Release 5 on OpenVMS AXP V7.3-1)    Compiler:     DEC C invoked by CC/DECC J    CC Qualifier: /NODEB/NOSHARE/EXT=STRICT/PREF=ALL/define=_DECC_V4_SOURCE    CC Defines:"    Current default: X11_ROOT:[XMU]  /    Starting production of XMULIB object library 8    compiling: ALLCMAP.C             -> ALLCMAP.OBJ_ALPHA6    compiling: ATOMS.C               -> ATOMS.OBJ_ALPHA:    compiling: CLIENTWIN.C           -> CLIENTWIN.OBJ_ALPHA:    compiling: CLOSEHOOK.C           -> CLOSEHOOK.OBJ_ALPHA:    compiling: CMAPALLOC.C           -> CMAPALLOC.OBJ_ALPHA7    compiling: CRCMAP.C              -> CRCMAP.OBJ_ALPHA :    compiling: CRPIXFBIT.C           -> CRPIXFBIT.OBJ_ALPHA;    compiling: CURSORNAME.C          -> CURSORNAME.OBJ_ALPHA 9    compiling: CVTCACHE.C            -> CVTCACHE.OBJ_ALPHA :    compiling: CVTSTDSEL.C           -> CVTSTDSEL.OBJ_ALPHA  $ u_int           res_randomid (void); ^ N %CC-E-TYPEDEFNOTDEF, In this declaration, "u_int" appears to be used as if it 7 named a type, but there is no declared type of that ... 4 at line number 302 in module RESOLV of text library $ SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;1  G ns_updrec *     res_mkupdrec (int, const char *, u_int, u_int, u_long); 2 .................................................^2 %CC-E-PARMTYPLIST, Ill-formed parameter type list.4 at line number 319 in module RESOLV of text library $ SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;1        typedef __caddr_t caddr_t;  ......................^ K %CC-E-NOLINKAGE, In this declaration, "XtPointer" has no linkage and has a  9 prior declaration in this scope at line number 231 in fi> 3 at line number 86 in module SOCKET of text library  $ SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;1E %MMK-F-ERRUPD, error status %X10B91262 occurred when updating target   CVTSTDSEL.OBJ_ALPHA   4    X11 Make: execution stopped during XMU production     Regards, Rick --  J Richard L. Dyson                                      rick-dyson@uiowa.eduK   _   _  _____                      http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/ J | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst   --   INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsJ | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems Dept. BT1000 GH   Office: 319/384-7016K   \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052                 FAX: 319/384-7020 E                  (Consulting to the Physics and Astronomy Department)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:12:41 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> * Subject: Re: Freeware download corrupt (?)( Message-ID: <3FE5640D.5000301@uiowa.edu>   Mark Berryman wrote:   > Richard L. Dyson wrote:  >  >> Mark, >>I >>     I have been playing with your port of GS v8.11 (I last helped out   >> with 8 >> v7.x and have been out of the picture until today. :) >>I >>     I found I had to change one macro in GDEVX.C in order to get it to J >> compile cleanly.  From a recent MMK build (in the past, only MMK would  >> work.I >> Do you know if MMS is useable?  I will try later, but thought I would   >> ask.) >>- >> LINK/NODEBUG/NOTRACEBACK/EXE=[.BIN]GS.EXE  < >> [.obj]gs.obj,[.obj]ld.tr/OPTIONS,[.src]OPENVMS.OPT/OPTION) >> %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 2 undefined symbols: % >> %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         XInitImage ; >> %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol XInitImage referenced , >>         in psect $LINK$ offset %X000000F0  >>         in module GDEVX file 3 >> DISK$WOLF:[DYSON.TOOLS.GS.GS8_11.OBJ]GDEVX.OBJ;1  >>F >> I am using Alpha/OpenVMS v7.3-1 with DEC C v6.5-001 and DECWindows  >> v1.3.  I K >> don't think I have updated C RTL.  I have seen the reported problem with H >> installing with ACRTL v6.0.  I must have missed the ECO announcement 	 >> for it + >> or I would probably have installed it...  >  > E > If you really have DECWindows V1.3 then you have XInitImage.  This  I > software kit built correctly under both V1.2-5 (which doesn't have it)  H > and V1.3 (which does) on my system using the same versions of VMS and  > DECC that you did. > K > What was the change you had to make in order to get it to link correctly?   F Actually, I never did get it to link correctly.  I wrote the above too soon. :(  G NOTE: I upgraded to Motif v1.3-0 from my original v1.2-6 that came with H OpenVMS v7.3-1.  This box has only had v1.2-6 and the recent v1.3 updateK kit.  I don't think there were even any ECOs for DWMotif ever released that  applied.  J I have Compaq C v6.5-001 and now I have ACRTL v3.0 and the Update v2.0.  IL ran the GS build again tonight, after the recent ECOs and get the same error
 at link time.    Regards, Rick --  J Richard L. Dyson                                      rick-dyson@uiowa.eduK   _   _  _____                      http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/ J | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst   --   INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsJ | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems Dept. BT1000 GH   Office: 319/384-7016K   \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052                 FAX: 319/384-7020 E                  (Consulting to the Physics and Astronomy Department)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:08:06 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")* Subject: Re: lbr$ routines and concurrency6 Message-ID: <00A2AAEF.BC69EFE3@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  V In article <3FE4B837.6CE5EA17@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >Joshua Lehrer wrote: C >> I wish I could debug the code somehow, and hit "stop" during the 0 >> offending flush, and see what code it was in. >  > K >Flush nominally performs 2 operations: writes blocks to disk and frees the  >in-memory library index.  > N >You can specify LBR$C_FLUSHDATA as the block_type argument of LBR$FLUSH whichB >will flush only the data blocks and preserve the index in memory.  K Ooh, that sounds really worth trying.  (Sincerely.  I only bother replying  I here because I was Joshua's other interlocutor in this discussion).  Good  idea!    -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:11:07 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")* Subject: Re: lbr$ routines and concurrency6 Message-ID: <00A2AAF0.2835A8B4@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  q In article <477e0934.0312201937.5737acc2@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes: \ >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FE4B837.6CE5EA17@istop.com>... >> Joshua Lehrer wrote: E >> > I wish I could debug the code somehow, and hit "stop" during the 2 >> > offending flush, and see what code it was in. >>   >>  M >> Flush nominally performs 2 operations: writes blocks to disk and frees the  >> in-memory library index.  >>  P >> You can specify LBR$C_FLUSHDATA as the block_type argument of LBR$FLUSH whichD >> will flush only the data blocks and preserve the index in memory. > B >And why would I want to do this?  What benefit does this give me?  K Possibly speed.  Flush the whole thing at the end and you won't get i/o for O the index until it's done, which has to mean, at a minimum, less head movement. L I don't have any sense of how dramatic that change would be, but it has some potential for improvement.  M (You're not going to try to use the library until you're all done anyway, if  L I understand the problem description, so you don't need a partially-updated  index for anything.)   -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:29:58 +0100 2 From: "Robert Boers" <robert.boers@softresint.com>9 Subject: Re: practical questions for Charon-VAX on Wintel 5 Message-ID: <3fe55a09$0$789$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch>   ? "Wilm Boerhout" <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl> wrote in message $ news:bs1904$lal$1@reader08.wxs.nl... >  [snip]J > Now with CHARON-VAX Industrial you *can* connect your existing SCSI tapeG > drive to a SCSI interface on the Windows host. In general, especially J > for older drives, Windows drivers for these units will not be available. [snip]  I For tape drives like the TKZ50/70 there is no Windows driver, but in most E CHARON-VAX versions a Windows driver is not required / recommended to L connect SCSI devices. One can bypass Windows by specifying the hardware SCSIG address. Leaving the Windows driver enabled is a useful option when the @ device is also used by Windows when the emulator is not running.  H CHARON-VAX/Industrial emulates a VAX 3600 system, and wil run any VAX OSK which was qualified for that hardware model (e.g. VAXEln and early releases E of VMS 5.x). While SCSI disks were never officially supported on 3600 H hardware, we modified the MSCP controller emulator to work directly withH physical SCSI drives as well. Idem for IDE CD-ROMs and PC floppy drives.   Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:31:10 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>! Subject: Re: RAMDISK or the likes - Message-ID: <87hdzulotd.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:  P > I have a ESA12000 with HSG80 controllers (paired) using 9.1, 18.2, and 36.4 GB > disk drives.  B > We have a lot of locking (250% increase over the last 6 months).   > Running FOCUS and DBMS-32.  F > I have been thinking about ideas to help increase the performance on5 > the DBMS-32 and the subject of RAMDISK has come up.   B Why has your locking increased by 2 1/2 fold in 6 months? And will( there be another 2x factor  real soon...  C > I can think of two ideas here, 1) Solid State disk and 2) Disk in 	 > Memory.   , > Is there any others?  What are the issues?  C SSD or Ramdisk will move the bottleneck. Ramdisk will eat cache and F CPU as well, much, much better to give the memory to DBMS-32 if at allE possible. A SSD avoids most of that, but can have similar issues with # controller bandwidth and its cache.   D So, what is doing the locking? Will faster IO just make locking even more of a bottle neck?  D (Is you DB becoming fragmented and in need of a re-build is my other= though. But it has been so long since I've seen DBMS-11/32!!)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:45:25 GMT   From: JimL <jglando@yaahooo.com>5 Subject: Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindows 8 Message-ID: <pljauvsld311mdum87t4btc031cdfjmbmv@4ax.com>  < I'm trying to figure out how to read the OpenVMS VAX On-line= Documentation library without using the DECWindows interface. : I don't have a monitor on my vaxstation, just the console.& Any help would be greatly appreciated.   - Jim L.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:50:42 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)9 Subject: Re: Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindows 3 Message-ID: <S1eFb.167159$dt3.62778@news.chello.at>   [ In article <pljauvsld311mdum87t4btc031cdfjmbmv@4ax.com>, JimL <jglando@yaahooo.com> writes: = >I'm trying to figure out how to read the OpenVMS VAX On-line > >Documentation library without using the DECWindows interface.; >I don't have a monitor on my vaxstation, just the console. ' >Any help would be greatly appreciated.    My first reaction was M There is a DECUS utility named HGBOOK (formerly called MGBOOK, which replaced M an older program VTBOOK) which let you read bookreader documents on VT terms.  Is it this what you want ?  # But a closer look finds no HGBOOK ? 7 Hunter, do I remember wrong ? Was it only HGFTP/MGFTP ?    MGBOOK can be found at' ftp://ftp.madgoat.com/madgoat/					1998 3 ftp://ftp.process.com/VMS-FREEWARE/FILESERV/			1996 ; http://www.openvms.digital.com/freeware/freeware40/		V1.0-1    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:26:09 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Re: Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindows ) Message-ID: <3FE57514.83E7292A@istop.com>    JimL wrote:  > > > I'm trying to figure out how to read the OpenVMS VAX On-line? > Documentation library without using the DECWindows interface. < > I don't have a monitor on my vaxstation, just the console.  L If you have access to a wintel or macintosh, you can get PDF versions of theC documentation at the VMS web site ( http://www.openvms.compaq.com )    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:28:02 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)9 Subject: Re: Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindows ; Message-ID: <3fe59fe2.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   7 Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER (peter@langstoeger.at) wrote: $ > JimL <jglando@yaahooo.com> writes:? > >I'm trying to figure out how to read the OpenVMS VAX On-line @ > >Documentation library without using the DECWindows interface.= > >I don't have a monitor on my vaxstation, just the console.  >  > My first reaction was F > There is a DECUS utility named HGBOOK (formerly called MGBOOK, whichA > replaced an older program VTBOOK) which let you read bookreader 3 > documents on VT terms. Is it this what you want ?  > % > But a closer look finds no HGBOOK ? 9 > Hunter, do I remember wrong ? Was it only HGFTP/MGFTP ?   ! No, IIRC. I remember HGBOOK, too.   J Another piece of software, that serves bookreader books from a web server,B is HyperReader. It's part of the WASDSCRIPTS package, available at> http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/ but runs with any VMS web server.   cu, 	   Martin   --  B                         | Martin Vorlaender | VMS & WNT programmer1  OpenVMS: Where do you  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D  want to BE today?      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8                         | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:13:16 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)+ Subject: scrambled terminal output on OPA0: $ Message-ID: <bs42os$2d8$3@online.de>  H I have a VT320 connected by an MMJ cable to a VAXstation 4000/60.  When D in an editor, the terminal output is scrambled, like there had been F dropouts, line noise etc.  (The cable is quite short.)  This persists F even after SET TERM/INQ etc.  If I then SET HOST/LAT or TELNET to the I same machine or another one (in the cluster or outside it), the terminal   works fine.   F I also have a VT320 as OPA0: on a VAX 4000-100A, i.e. essentially the 3 exact same setup.  I don't have the problems there.   3 What could be the problem and how can it be solved?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:43:42 +0100 ( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0: 9 Message-ID: <bs488r$93s0j$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 schreef in bericht news:bs42os$2d8$3@online.de... I > I have a VT320 connected by an MMJ cable to a VAXstation 4000/60.  When E > in an editor, the terminal output is scrambled, like there had been G > dropouts, line noise etc.  (The cable is quite short.)  This persists G > even after SET TERM/INQ etc.  If I then SET HOST/LAT or TELNET to the J > same machine or another one (in the cluster or outside it), the terminal
 > works fine.  > G > I also have a VT320 as OPA0: on a VAX 4000-100A, i.e. essentially the 5 > exact same setup.  I don't have the problems there.  > 5 > What could be the problem and how can it be solved?  > H My first guess would be a grounding problem. Terminal and VAXstation are both grounded?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:55:27 GMT ' From: John Sauter <J_Sauter@Empire.Net> / Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0: 8 Message-ID: <td8buvoj8jhffrpdk9497m2lhb7j6nr77l@4ax.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:   B I have a VT320 connected by an MMJ cable to a VAXstation 4000/60. C When in an editor, the terminal output is scrambled, like there had A been dropouts, line noise etc.  (The cable is quite short.)  This @ persists even after SET TERM/INQ etc.  If I then SET HOST/LAT orD TELNET to the same machine or another one (in the cluster or outside it), the terminal works fine.   F I also have a VT320 as OPA0: on a VAX 4000-100A, i.e. essentially the 3 exact same setup.  I don't have the problems there.   3 What could be the problem and how can it be solved?    John Sauter responded:  0 The host may not be recognizing the XOFF and XON6 flow control characters.  You didn't say which editor 0 you are using, but both EDT and TPU use complex 2 terminal functions to minimize the amount of data / transmitted when updating the screen.  The DCL  0 command SHOW TERMINAL will display the terminal  characteristics.  4 Alternatively, the terminal may not be sending XOFF ? when it is busy with a complex operation involving scrolling.   ; Check the terminal's setup screen for sending XON and XOFF.   5 Less likely is that the terminal's input buffer isn't . large enough to handle the latency between the- terminal sending XOFF and the host ceasing to @ transmit.  Again, check the terminal's setup.  If it looks good,+ check the size of the host's output buffer.   9 If these suggestions don't help, gather more information. / Which functions, precisely, cause the screen to . be garbled, and how?  Is the garble always the. same under the same conditions?  Try different1 line speeds to see what changes.  Place an RS-232 / breakout box between the terminal and the host, . and check for the transmission of an XOFF when0 sending lots of data with the terminal in smooth/ scroll mode, and verify that transmission stops   until the terminal sends an XON.  0 Also, try differnet terminals as OPA0 and see if the problem persists.   , Try telling the editor that you have a VT100' and see if anything changes.  The VT100 + does not have some of the complex functions % posessed by later VT-class terminals. %     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:17:54 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)= Subject: SHOW CLUSTER freezes the terminal on a VAX 4000-100A $ Message-ID: <bs431i$2d8$4@online.de>   Using this SHOW_CLUSTER.COM   
 INITIALIZEn ADD CL_EXPECTED_VOTES,CL_QUORUM,CL_VOTES,CL_MEMBERS,FORMED,LAST_TRANSITION,SYS_ID,HW_TYPE,VOTES,EXPECTED_VOTES SET FUNCTION PAN PAN RIGHT 5 
 ADD ERRORS SET FUNCTION MOVE  SELECT SELECT	 MOVE UP 1  SELECT
 MOVE RIGHT 55 	 MOVE UP 2  SELECT  I which works fine on an ALPHAstation 255/233 and a VAXstation 4000/60 and  I a DEC 3000/300LX, the terminal freezes when the command is executed on a  E VAX 4000-100A.  (VMS 7.3 VAX and 7.3-1 (or 7.2-1) in all cases.)  It  D doesn't matter if it is OPA0: (a VT320) or a telnet or set host/lat I connection, from another real terminal or from a DECterm.  It thus seems  9 to be a problem with the VAX 4000-100A, not the terminal.   
 Any ideas?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:22:17 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <3FE54A00.7BF98C40@istop.com>    Rob Young wrote:L > With its $300 million installation of a companywide software system nearlyO > complete, Rohm & Haas Co. said yesterday that it would cut its workforce by 3 K > percent by eliminating 550 jobs that the new system rendered unnecessary.   J Well, 550 employees at $100,000 per year costs $55 million per year. SinceN data entry clerks don't make that much,  It will take well over 6 years to payK back the 300 million installation costs. (and that is not counting the fact H that you may have to pay interest on the $300 investment (or not get any return for 6 years).  K Guess what ? Within 6 years, chances are high that you will have had to pay M quite a bit in consulting fees, SAP support, SAP upgrades, hardware upgrades, 7 so again, it isn't so obvious that it would save money.   N What the quote you proided doesn't mention is how many high priced consultantsN were hired and will be doing on-going work to maintain the system. So while itF is tru that they may have eliminated 550 specific positions inside theN company, it isn't obvious that actual headcount was reduced by that much. (cutI one data entry position, but add an IT consultant position, you can still  claim you have cut a job).  M >         Because ... car manufacturing is pretty automated and you can build M >         just as many cars with the same labor pool world-wide.  Sure, maybe   I There was a time when the japanese were far more automated than the USA.  ? Airbus aircraft assemhly is also more automated than Boeing's.    K >         there are slight advantages in one region.  But U.S. higher labor ( >         costs must be a disadvantage.   N If you have 11 workers each making $100,000 and you cut one position, and giveL the 10 remaining workers a $10,000 raise, does your statistic show increased& productivity or neutral productivity ?  I China has dismal productivity. But companies such as Nortel chose to have J their gear assembled in China because it costs less, even if they assembleL circuit boards manually with hundreds of low wage workers putting chips into sockets manually.   - >         I'll bet there are other advantages L >         in Canada , other than cheaper labor.  Perhaps cheaper electricity >         plays a part.   J Or unions who had agreed to increased automation before the USA unions hadK agreed. Or our traditionally low dollar. There are a lot of factors. But in * the end, what counts is production costs.   F Productivity seems to be a metric used by USA politicians to show someH positive news on the economy.  But fewer jobs to make the same number of# widgets means higher unemployement.     L >         But you doubt productivity shot up that much or question its value >         altogether?   N I don't doubt that the USA outfit that generates those statistics use a metricK that allows them to claim an 8% increase.  But without knowing exactly what 3 that metric is, that number is totally meaningless.   M Also, coming back to SAP. How much of that $300 million bucks left the USA to Q go back to the german headquarters of SAP ? That is a large "import" for the USA.   O And does that metric take into consideration outsourcing, especially to India ?   I When a company decides to outsource its IT department, it may find itself N "eliminating" 5000 jobs. Great on paper. But those 5000 jobs are just moved toI another company. Or to another country.  In the past, before India became L trendy, many outsourcing contracts ended up costing the company more than if they had kept the IT in-house.  L If the same work turns up costing more under outsourcing, do you still claimE productivity increase because you have eliminated 5000 jobs from your2 organisation ? :  L Remember that many outsourcing deals were done not on a financial basis, butF on a political basis.  intra-company politics as well as inter-companyN politics (in case of banks especially who like to reward their large customersI with such contracts (which is a reason IBM has had much success with bankb outsourcing contracts)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:02:21 GMTrL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")1 Subject: Re: Where does HP fall in this equation?E6 Message-ID: <00A2AAEE.EF254BF9@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  V In article <3FE4C208.AEAB8E2A@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >Greg Cagle wrote:F >> HP spend $907M on R&D last quarter. Seems to me that's "significant! >> effort" - wouldn't you agree? - >AM >It depends. If they spent $907 million on R&D for HP-UX, then, YES, it wouldtJ >be a very significant effort and would eventually give HP-UX a huge lead. >eO >But if HP has 907 products and spends $1 million R&D per product, then none of B >the products will get sufficient R&D to keep up with competitors. >-L >Lets look at VMS. Is the porting to IA64 considered "R&D" ?  Very little ofO >this money will yield new features that will allow VMS to catch up to the pack3L >in areas where it is lagging or keep its lead in areas where it is leading. >y >uL >Lets look at cameras. Carly said it was an important market to be in. So HPJ >must now invest tons of money to develop a new business that will compete >against established giants. t  K They're not going from a standing start; they've been doing digital camerascL for several years.  (I won one at a Diamond Forum, and my roommate, who uses# it more than I do, likes it a lot.)   3 >Will cameras, like PCs be money losing or very lowtA >profit margin items ? Is that money that is really well spent ? t  G The digital camera market appears to be maintaining its price points by M improving features with each generation, so I think it's probably maintainingTN a decent margin.  And HP is well-fixed to do what Canon and Kodak are doing - J cameras you plug directly into printers to get pictures without even going through an upload phase. T >iN >Or are cameras considered loss leaders and really designed to have people buy+ >tons more HP ink to print their pictures ?a  8 They don't have to be loss leaders to reach their goals.  L (I'm not saying anything at all here about HP's treatment of VMS.  It's justB not the case that every single thing they do is stupid and wrong.)   -- Alano -- oO ===============================================================================t0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025mO ===============================================================================-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:04:28 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")1 Subject: Re: Where does HP fall in this equation?26 Message-ID: <00A2AAEF.3AAFA3C1@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  V In article <3FE515FD.F2403720@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >Wayne Sewell wrote:Q >> What *else* would R&D be for, if not for invention of products, solutions, ande >> technologies? p >vN >Porting 3 operating systems to IA64, porting some existing features of a deadI >OS to HP-UX. HP accountants all consider this to be development of "new"tM >products, even though to consumers, those "new" products bring nothing newtoh1 >them and will end up making HP less competitive.   I JF, once again you've gone from "do they consider?" to "they do consider"iI without, as far as I can tell, receiving any information in between.  You-I could well be right - I have no idea - but neither, as far as I can tell, G do you.  That makes the persuasive power of your argument less than it ) might otherwise be.b   -- Alane   --  O ===============================================================================s0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056aM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:22:09 -06004( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>1 Subject: Re: Where does HP fall in this equation?b/ Message-ID: <00A2AB1B.9BF199D3.3@tachysoft.com>n  . >From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms2 >Subject: Re: Where does HP fall in this equation?! >Date: 20 Dec 2003 21:27:59 -0600s >Organization: LJK Softwaree   >e[ >In article <00A2AAC1.E96CF892.9@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:-P >>>Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM (198.151.12.104) by laurel.tachysoft.com (MX V5.37 >>>          AnHm) with SMTP for <wayne@tachysoft.com>;t, >>>          Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:19:46 -06004 >>>From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) >>>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms4 >>>Subject: Re: Where does HP fall in this equation?# >>>Date: 20 Dec 2003 17:19:15 -0800g >>>d+ >>>Maybe this will help with your question.  >>>r >>> $ >>>http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/H >>>Our $4 billion annual R&D investment fuels the invention of products,H >>>solutions and new technologies, so that we can better serve customersD >>>and enter new markets. We invent, engineer and deliver technologyG >>>solutions that drive business value, create social value and improvet >>>the lives of our customers. >> l >> sN >> Sorry, Sue, not to be obnoxious, but this is so vague as to be meaningless. >>  Q >> What *else* would R&D be for, if not for invention of products, solutions, andEN >> technologies?  You typically don't use R&D money to buy office furniture orR >> repair your air conditioning.  At least I hope not.  I think the questions wereQ >> about *which*  products, solutions, and technologies, i.e. how much of this isn >> vms getting?c >aH >To the contrary, what Sue posted is _precisely_ responsive to the issueG >raised -- how much does HP spend on R&D.  The fact that there were 3.5oI >subsequent lines not pertinent to the particular issue raised should noto8 >distress you, since the quote was taken from elsewhere. >hF >If you want non-published details about HP's internal budget, that isF >something else, but Sue found a quote which precisely responds to the >subject question.    G I concede the point.  Looking back at her post, and the lack of quotingnO therein, I see that she was responding to the original post asking for a dollarR. amount, rather than the subsequent discussion.   Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O ===============================================================================oH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:48:06 GMTr/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> * Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.4] SSH observations0 Message-ID: <p%dFb.606184$HS4.4441248@attbi_s01>   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:   R > I tried the SSH for OpenVMS demo (from Process) more than a year or so ago.  My Q > tests  of Secure Copy and Secure FTP between a VMS and AIX box were failures.  oG > I could only seem to use those functions correctly between VMS boxes.  > I > I didn't get the chance to pursue/resolve the issue with Process or VMSoL > Engineering, becuase management decided to wait for SSH on TCP/IP ServicesQ > (they figured the bugs would all be worked out by then).  I wonder if they werea
 > wrong...  M I can say that the SSH for OpenVMS from Process Software is working fine here:K with TCPIP v5.3 and local Win2k SecureCRT and Reflection clients as well as5N with a remote Win2k server running "SSH-2.0-3.2.0 SSH Secure Shell Windows NT J Server".  We use SCP2 all the time.  Now that there is SFTP, we should useF it, but the vendor setups for SCP2 were already done and not broken...  J BTW, SFTP just came out this past fall.  They only had SCP2 in v1.0 a year ago.   rick -- eJ Richard L. Dyson                                      rick-dyson@uiowa.eduK   _   _  _____                      http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/kJ | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst   --   INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsJ | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems Dept. BT1000 GH   Office: 319/384-7016K   \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052                 FAX: 319/384-7020>E                  (Consulting to the Physics and Astronomy Department)A   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:22:10 GMTi4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)* Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.4] SSH observations0 Message-ID: <68hFb.606913$HS4.4442105@attbi_s01>  b In article <p%dFb.606184$HS4.4441248@attbi_s01>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes: !snip!K !BTW, SFTP just came out this past fall.  They only had SCP2 in v1.0 a yearT !ago.J !P  ? Yes, I "mis-remembered" that one; it was in a different life...,  L I'm glad to hear that it's working; perhaps someone can help the OP with his problem.   !rickt !-- K !Richard L. Dyson                                      rick-dyson@uiowa.edu[L !  _   _  _____                      http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/K !| | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst   --   INFORMM-Cerner Systems GroupC= !| | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsrK !| \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems Dept. BT1000 GH   Office: 319/384-7016 L !  \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052                 FAX: 319/384-7020F !                 (Consulting to the Physics and Astronomy Department) !t  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"EK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' _0                                          with @"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.705 ************************