1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 23 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 709       Contents: Christmas Special  Re: Christmas Special # CSWS 2.0/VMS 7.3-1 issues/questions ( Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCLD Re: installation issue with OpenVMS 7.3-1 / AlphaStation 255/233 MHzD Re: installation issue with OpenVMS 7.3-1 / AlphaStation 255/233 MHzK Re: installation issue with OpenVMS 7.3-1 / AlphaStation 255/233 MHz MHzMHz " Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2?+ Re: Problem with NFS after upgrade to 7.3-2 + Re: Problem with NFS after upgrade to 7.3-2 B Re: Problems with CDRecord and a (new) Yamaha CRW-F1 SCSI recorderP Re: Problems with MySQL (was Re: OpenVMS, CSWS (apache), PHP and...   Rdb)   Rdb0 Re: Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindowsN Re: Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer - belated followup Re: V7.3-2 shipping problems...  Re: V7.3-2 shipping problems...  Re: V7.3-2 shipping problems... / Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ... / Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ... / Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:18:33 -0500 & From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> Subject: Christmas Special/ Message-ID: <vugn18ah9kou23@news.supernews.com>    DS10L 617Mhz 256MB Compaq Memory 8 30GB 7200 Compaq  Hard Disk (VMS 7.1-2> and Tru64 4.0F>) Dual 10/100 Ethernet NO CD or Floppy   " Special Pricing until Jan 5th 2004   Only $899 + Shipping  # Limited Qty available at this price 2 We can only accept Visa or Mastercard on this dealE Shipping is NOT included - averages $40 USA /$70 Canada and $90 to EU   Approximate shipping prices only   Warranty is one year.    Email your order only.L Email must reach us by the 5th of January to take advantage of this very low pricing 6 Credit Card details will need to be available by phone< YOU MUST include a valid daytime phone number for this offerJ You MUST also include a valid email address (we don't spam email accounts)  ) Thanks all - Merry Xmas/Happy Chanuka etc    --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:48:42 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: Christmas Special' Message-ID: <3FE871EA.A2B5F0E3@aaa.com>   
 Island wrote:   > > YOU MUST include a valid daytime phone number for this offer   Who's daytime ???   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 08:00:40 -0800/ From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell) , Subject: CSWS 2.0/VMS 7.3-1 issues/questions= Message-ID: <79de9693.0312230800.3ebf33fe@posting.google.com>    A couple of issues:   F 1) The CSWS 2.0 looks like it requires a patched version of the C RTL,E not the 'original' one from VMS 7.3-1 dated 18-JUL-2002.  This is not E mentioned in the release notes.  What is the version of the CRTL that  is actually required?   > 2) Assuming for some reason I wanted to get around #1 above byD compiling/linking my own version of Apache 2.0, section 1.2.4 of theA file CSWS_INSTALL_20.PDF tells me I can get the source code from:   F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_source.html   The link from page:   ? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.html    points to the same place.   @ This URL has the source for VMS Apache 1.2 release, which is not  exactly helpful to my situation.   Where's the 2.0 source code?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:30:12 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>1 Subject: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <EWTFb.11204$bD4.3662@news.cpqcorp.net>   	 Hi Folks,   6 Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS....  K I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point arithmetic - in DCL. The intention is to support something  similar to the following:    a=1.23 b=2.44   write sys$output a+b 3.67  ? My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *   F If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short6 justification. Assuming the response will be positive,& I will try to implement this for V8.2.  " Merry Christmas and happy new year   Guy    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:26:09 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <3fe8269f$0$1156$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   $ Hi Guy, working late... or early :-)  P Yes, please, do add this feature. We DCL programmers use to multiply numbers by L 100 then divide the result of any operation by 100 to get decimal values to 6 achieve what you propose today. This is my motivation.  ! Many thanks and long life to VMS! < Feel free to visit www.vaxus.org, the new VAX Users Society.  < Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all VMS Engineering.   D.   Guy Peleg wrote:   > Hi Folks,  > 8 > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > M > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point arithmetic / > in DCL. The intention is to support something  > similar to the following:  >  > a=1.23 > b=2.44 >  > write sys$output a+b > 3.67 > A > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  > H > If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short8 > justification. Assuming the response will be positive,( > I will try to implement this for V8.2. > $ > Merry Christmas and happy new year >  > Guy  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:45:48 -0500 1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com> 5 Subject: RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL @ Message-ID: <37A773ADDA84D711A42700B0D0FC529C275F3D@NYEXCHANGE2>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C952.440D9D30  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"    Guy,  J You have my vote.  I always have need for floating point math and too muchK of the time, the workarounds are insufficient.  (We actually have done some L applications in DCL because they had to be up quickly and we didn't have theK time to write and debug C programs.  They have remained in DCL and would be B far more complete if we could have done floating point math also.)   Mike Farrell    -----Original Message----- 7 From: 	Guy Peleg [mailto:guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this]  ( Sent:	Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:30 AM To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 Subject:	Floating point arithmetic support in DCL   	 Hi Folks,   6 Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS....  K I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point arithmetic - in DCL. The intention is to support something  similar to the following:    a=1.23 b=2.44   write sys$output a+b 3.67  ? My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *   F If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short6 justification. Assuming the response will be positive,& I will try to implement this for V8.2.  " Merry Christmas and happy new year   Guy           ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C952.440D9D30  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2657.73"> ; <TITLE>RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Guy,</FONT>  </P>  B <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You have my vote.&nbsp; I always have need for =C floating point math and too much of the time, the workarounds are = E insufficient.&nbsp; (We actually have done some applications in DCL = H because they had to be up quickly and we didn't have the time to write =H and debug C programs.&nbsp; They have remained in DCL and would be far =9 more complete if we could have done floating point math =  also.)</FONT></P>   % <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Mike Farrell</FONT>  </P>  9 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;-----Original Message-----</FONT> / <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: &nbsp; Guy Peleg [<A = I HREF=3D"mailto:guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this">mailto:guy.peleg@hp.com_rem=  ove_this</A>] </FONT> F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp; Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:30 =	 AM</FONT> 0 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = / Floating point arithmetic support in DCL</FONT>  </P>  " <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi Folks,</FONT> </P>  B <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Here is your chance to influence the future of = VMS....</FONT> </P>  E <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have investigated the possibility of supporting =   floating point arithmetic</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>in DCL. The intention is to support something</FONT> 3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>similar to the following:</FONT>  </P>  ! <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>a=3D1.23</FONT> " <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>b=3D2.44</FONT> </P>  - <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>write sys$output a+b</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>3.67</FONT> </P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>My intention is to support the following operands : =  +,-,/ and *</FONT> </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If this feature is important to you please drop me a = line with a short</FONT>A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>justification. Assuming the response will be =  positive,</FONT>@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I will try to implement this for V8.2.</FONT> </P>  ; <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Merry Christmas and happy new year</FONT>  </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Guy</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR> <BR>   </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3C952.440D9D30--    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:41:13 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <ZBXFb.11208$%M4.9489@news.cpqcorp.net>   I I would also like your feedback about the possibility of adding a lexical  function to perform J floating point math. As you might imagine adding floating point support is not easy, however,E lexical functions are much easier to add. We can add a F$MATH lexical  function4 to perform various types of arithmetic. For example:  , Write sys$output F$MATH("ADD","4.55","3.22")  G Other operands might be :sub,div,mul,sqrt,sin,cos,tan and what ever one  would like.   8 Pro : * Very easy to code (this is what I care about ;-)$         * I can commit this for V8.2*         *  Can be provided for VAX & Alpha         * Very easy to code 6         * Less risk of breaking existing functionality,         * Easy to add operands in the future  & Con: result must be stored as a string   What do you think?   Guy     ; "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in message - news:EWTFb.11204$bD4.3662@news.cpqcorp.net...  > Hi Folks,  > 8 > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > B > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point
 arithmetic/ > in DCL. The intention is to support something  > similar to the following:  >  > a=1.23 > b=2.44 >  > write sys$output a+b > 3.67 > A > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  > H > If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short8 > justification. Assuming the response will be positive,( > I will try to implement this for V8.2. > $ > Merry Christmas and happy new year >  > Guy  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:41:26 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL I Message-ID: <aCXFb.69161$2We1.13103@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Guy Peleg wrote: > Hi Folks,  > 8 > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > B > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point: > arithmetic in DCL. The intention is to support something > similar to the following:  >  > a=1.23 > b=2.44 >  > write sys$output a+b > 3.67 > A > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  > H > If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short8 > justification. Assuming the response will be positive,( > I will try to implement this for V8.2.    J Would you also be implementing a round(expr, n) and  ceiling() and floor() as well?   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 07:50:16 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <9hjUsi2q7j7t@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <EWTFb.11204$bD4.3662@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes: > Hi Folks,  > 8 > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > M > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point arithmetic / > in DCL. The intention is to support something  > similar to the following:  >  > a=1.23 > b=2.44 >  > write sys$output a+b > 3.67 > A > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  > H > If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short8 > justification. Assuming the response will be positive,( > I will try to implement this for V8.2. > $ > Merry Christmas and happy new year >   B 	Sure.  Why not.  But it would have to have a mechanism to turn it5 	on.  Off by default.  Otherwise, it breaks this DCL:   G $       wait_minute = 4 - (current_minute - ((current_minute / 5) * 5)) ? $	wait 00:'f$string(wait_minute)':'f$string(60-current_second)'    $ current_minute = 16 A $ wait_minute = 4 - (current_minute - ((current_minute / 5) * 5))  $ show symbol wait_minute 7   WAIT_MINUTE = 3   Hex = 00000003  Octal = 00000000003   < 	With floating point, it wait_minute becomes 4 instead of 3.   				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:56:57 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 6 Message-ID: <00A2ACA2.09BD3890@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  f In article <ZBXFb.11208$%M4.9489@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes:J >I would also like your feedback about the possibility of adding a lexical >function to performK >floating point math. As you might imagine adding floating point support is  >not easy, however, F >lexical functions are much easier to add. We can add a F$MATH lexical	 >function 5 >to perform various types of arithmetic. For example:  > - >Write sys$output F$MATH("ADD","4.55","3.22")  > H >Other operands might be :sub,div,mul,sqrt,sin,cos,tan and what ever one >would like. > 9 >Pro : * Very easy to code (this is what I care about ;-) % >        * I can commit this for V8.2 + >        *  Can be provided for VAX & Alpha  >        * Very easy to code7 >        * Less risk of breaking existing functionality - >        * Easy to add operands in the future  > ' >Con: result must be stored as a string  >  >What do you think?   M Does this enable you to do arbitrary-precision math?  If the result is coming P back as a string, I think you need to let the user specify the number of decimal& places wanted in the result, or maybe   E Hmm, maybe F$MATH("RND",thing-to-round,number-of-places-to-round-to).   G This might be a terrible idea, but could you have a default accumulator I location, so that calculations can be changed without always sticking the  return value into a symbol?   , F$MATH("INIT") sets the accumulator to zero.B F$MATH("ADD","4.55") adds 4.55 to the accumulated value (now 4.55)= F$MATH("MUL","15.7") multiplies the accumulated value by 15.7 K F$MATH("MUL","15.7","3") multiplies 15.7 by 3 and replaces the value in the %                          accumulator. M I'd also suggest - since it ought to be easy - making  "-", "+", "/", and "*" , synonyms for "SUB", "ADD", "DIV", and "MUL".  O (This makes it extremely easy to code a desk calculator in DCL.  It also begins M to make it plausible to do RMS-database-based CGIs with computation, which is  kind of cool.)  O All that said, I don't currently have a business case for this - but I like the  idea.    -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:14:17 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 5 Subject: RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGELKCIAA.tom@kednos.com>    -----Original Message-----( From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]( Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 5:41 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL      Guy Peleg wrote: > Hi Folks,  > 8 > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > B > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point: > arithmetic in DCL. The intention is to support something > similar to the following:  >  > a=1.23 > b=2.44 >  > write sys$output a+b > 3.67 > A > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  > H > If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short8 > justification. Assuming the response will be positive,( > I will try to implement this for V8.2.    J Would you also be implementing a round(expr, n) and  ceiling() and floor() as well?  K Why not just use PL/I,which has those functions, of course, it doesn't have  arbitrary precision.       --- & Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:21:08 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 5 Subject: RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICELMCIAA.tom@kednos.com>   H Hey Guy and guys, no point to reinvent the wheel here.  'bc' and 'dc' on@ on unix has arbitrary precision, builtins, conditional logic andB you can include it in pipes.  Moreover, the code already exists onE HP-UX, Tru64 and Linux.  If there is no need to backport it then this C is the right way to go, and by isolating it in this fashion and not 	 lexically I integrating it into DCL, it won't break any exisiting code.  It will also 3 help with the portability of code from Unix to VMS.   
 my two cents.    -----Original Message-----+ From: "Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr" ' [mailto:winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU] ( Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 5:57 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL     ? In article <ZBXFb.11208$%M4.9489@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Guy Peleg" & <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes:J >I would also like your feedback about the possibility of adding a lexical >function to performK >floating point math. As you might imagine adding floating point support is  >not easy, however, F >lexical functions are much easier to add. We can add a F$MATH lexical	 >function 5 >to perform various types of arithmetic. For example:  > - >Write sys$output F$MATH("ADD","4.55","3.22")  > H >Other operands might be :sub,div,mul,sqrt,sin,cos,tan and what ever one >would like. > 9 >Pro : * Very easy to code (this is what I care about ;-) % >        * I can commit this for V8.2 + >        *  Can be provided for VAX & Alpha  >        * Very easy to code7 >        * Less risk of breaking existing functionality - >        * Easy to add operands in the future  > ' >Con: result must be stored as a string  >  >What do you think?   F Does this enable you to do arbitrary-precision math?  If the result is comingH back as a string, I think you need to let the user specify the number of decimal % places wanted in the result, or maybe   E Hmm, maybe F$MATH("RND",thing-to-round,number-of-places-to-round-to).   G This might be a terrible idea, but could you have a default accumulator I location, so that calculations can be changed without always sticking the  return value into a symbol?   , F$MATH("INIT") sets the accumulator to zero.B F$MATH("ADD","4.55") adds 4.55 to the accumulated value (now 4.55)= F$MATH("MUL","15.7") multiplies the accumulated value by 15.7 K F$MATH("MUL","15.7","3") multiplies 15.7 by 3 and replaces the value in the %                          accumulator. I I'd also suggest - since it ought to be easy - making  "-", "+", "/", and  "*" , synonyms for "SUB", "ADD", "DIV", and "MUL".  H (This makes it extremely easy to code a desk calculator in DCL.  It also beginsJ to make it plausible to do RMS-database-based CGIs with computation, which is kind of cool.)  K All that said, I don't currently have a business case for this - but I like  the  idea.    -- Alan    --L ============================================================================ === 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU?  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056E  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA  94025 L ============================================================================ ===    --- & Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:17:51 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <j8YFb.11209$IB4.3166@news.cpqcorp.net>   < If we go with the F$MATH approach there is no reason not to.   Guy . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageC news:aCXFb.69161$2We1.13103@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  > Guy Peleg wrote:
 > > Hi Folks,  > > : > > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > > D > > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point< > > arithmetic in DCL. The intention is to support something > > similar to the following:  > > 
 > > a=1.23
 > > b=2.44 > >  > > write sys$output a+b > > 3.67 > > C > > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  > > J > > If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short: > > justification. Assuming the response will be positive,* > > I will try to implement this for V8.2. >  > L > Would you also be implementing a round(expr, n) and  ceiling() and floor()
 > as well? >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:21:32 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <MbYFb.11210$%M4.8602@news.cpqcorp.net>    I like the accumulator idea.  H If one argument is provided perform the operation using the value in the& accumulator, if two arguments providedA perform the operation using both values ignoring the accumulator.    Guy   1 We can support both modes....accumulator mode and H ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>A wrote in message news:00A2ACA2.09BD3890@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU... A > In article <ZBXFb.11208$%M4.9489@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Guy Peleg" & <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes:L > >I would also like your feedback about the possibility of adding a lexical > >function to performJ > >floating point math. As you might imagine adding floating point support is > >not easy, however, H > >lexical functions are much easier to add. We can add a F$MATH lexical > >function 7 > >to perform various types of arithmetic. For example:  > > / > >Write sys$output F$MATH("ADD","4.55","3.22")  > > J > >Other operands might be :sub,div,mul,sqrt,sin,cos,tan and what ever one > >would like. > > ; > >Pro : * Very easy to code (this is what I care about ;-) ' > >        * I can commit this for V8.2 - > >        *  Can be provided for VAX & Alpha  > >        * Very easy to code9 > >        * Less risk of breaking existing functionality / > >        * Easy to add operands in the future  > > ) > >Con: result must be stored as a string  > >  > >What do you think?  > H > Does this enable you to do arbitrary-precision math?  If the result is comingJ > back as a string, I think you need to let the user specify the number of decimal ' > places wanted in the result, or maybe  > G > Hmm, maybe F$MATH("RND",thing-to-round,number-of-places-to-round-to).  > I > This might be a terrible idea, but could you have a default accumulator K > location, so that calculations can be changed without always sticking the  > return value into a symbol?  > . > F$MATH("INIT") sets the accumulator to zero.D > F$MATH("ADD","4.55") adds 4.55 to the accumulated value (now 4.55)? > F$MATH("MUL","15.7") multiplies the accumulated value by 15.7 I > F$MATH("MUL","15.7","3") multiplies 15.7 by 3 and replaces the value in  the ' >                          accumulator. K > I'd also suggest - since it ought to be easy - making  "-", "+", "/", and  "*" . > synonyms for "SUB", "ADD", "DIV", and "MUL". > J > (This makes it extremely easy to code a desk calculator in DCL.  It also beginsL > to make it plausible to do RMS-database-based CGIs with computation, which is > kind of cool.) > H > All that said, I don't currently have a business case for this - but I like the > idea.  > 	 > -- Alan  >  > -- > L ============================================================================ === 2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUA >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056G >  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA  94025  > L ============================================================================ ===  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:30:21 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 0 Message-ID: <00A2ACBF.E2A6FD1A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <ZBXFb.11208$%M4.9489@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes:J >I would also like your feedback about the possibility of adding a lexical >function to performK >floating point math. As you might imagine adding floating point support is  >not easy, however, F >lexical functions are much easier to add. We can add a F$MATH lexical	 >function 5 >to perform various types of arithmetic. For example:  > - >Write sys$output F$MATH("ADD","4.55","3.22")  > H >Other operands might be :sub,div,mul,sqrt,sin,cos,tan and what ever one >would like. > 9 >Pro : * Very easy to code (this is what I care about ;-) % >        * I can commit this for V8.2 + >        *  Can be provided for VAX & Alpha  >        * Very easy to code7 >        * Less risk of breaking existing functionality - >        * Easy to add operands in the future  > ' >Con: result must be stored as a string  >  >What do you think?  >  >Guy    L I wanted to ask how you would store the floating value when you first posted your example of:   a=1.23 b=2.44   write sys$output a+b 3.67    M Would you store this as new type (SYM_B_TYPE = SYM_C_FLOATING) or as a string M as you indicate in the lexical discussion.  If the latter, your initial exam- 3 ple would then be much more difficult to entertain.   L I like the idea of advanced math functions in DCL -- lord knows I have oftenK wished I could compute the hyperbolic secant of a value in DCL ;) -- and if I it is easier to simply as a F$math lexical to do so that is fine with me.   M The ability to do simple math functions such as the a+b example are appealing N as well especially if binary and floating symbols can be manipulated together.   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:02:52 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <wOYFb.11211$OG4.6504@news.cpqcorp.net>   	 Hi Brian,   G My initial thought was to add a new symbol type like SYM_C_FLOATING and  internally keep the values as strings.   F I have been getting several direct responses, folks seem to think that+ lexical is good enough solution so it looks ) like I'll be taking the lexical approach.    Guy , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A2ACBF.E2A6FD1A@SendSpamHere.ORG...A > In article <ZBXFb.11208$%M4.9489@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Guy Peleg" & <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes:L > >I would also like your feedback about the possibility of adding a lexical > >function to performJ > >floating point math. As you might imagine adding floating point support is > >not easy, however, H > >lexical functions are much easier to add. We can add a F$MATH lexical > >function 7 > >to perform various types of arithmetic. For example:  > > / > >Write sys$output F$MATH("ADD","4.55","3.22")  > > J > >Other operands might be :sub,div,mul,sqrt,sin,cos,tan and what ever one > >would like. > > ; > >Pro : * Very easy to code (this is what I care about ;-) ' > >        * I can commit this for V8.2 - > >        *  Can be provided for VAX & Alpha  > >        * Very easy to code9 > >        * Less risk of breaking existing functionality / > >        * Easy to add operands in the future  > > ) > >Con: result must be stored as a string  > >  > >What do you think?  > >  > >Guy >  > G > I wanted to ask how you would store the floating value when you first  posted > your example of: >  > a=1.23 > b=2.44 >  > write sys$output a+b > 3.67 >  > H > Would you store this as new type (SYM_B_TYPE = SYM_C_FLOATING) or as a stringI > as you indicate in the lexical discussion.  If the latter, your initial  exam- 5 > ple would then be much more difficult to entertain.  > H > I like the idea of advanced math functions in DCL -- lord knows I have often J > wished I could compute the hyperbolic secant of a value in DCL ;) -- and ifK > it is easier to simply as a F$math lexical to do so that is fine with me.  > E > The ability to do simple math functions such as the a+b example are 	 appealing F > as well especially if binary and floating symbols can be manipulated	 together.  >  > --D > http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityE >                             solutions that others only claim to be.  > --2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------   Date: 23 DEC 2003 15:20:20 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 2 Message-ID: <23DEC03.15202036@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  H In a previous article, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote: > Hi Folks,  >  O8 > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... >   M > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point arithmetic / > in DCL. The intention is to support somethingl > similar to the following:r >  D > a=1.23 > b=2.44 >  i > write sys$output a+b > 3.67 >  pA > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *r  E I want to second Rob Young's concern about the ability to turn floatstG on and off.  I have existing DCL code that depends on the fact that DCL ' currently only does integer arithmetic.D   WRT the F$MATH option:8   What would be the result of F$MATH( "DIV", "1", "3" )?9   Could large/tiny floats be expressed as exponentials?  eG   Would it be possible to combine F$MATH and F$FAO somehow to determine      the format of the result?i  I Personally, there are things I'd much rather see in DCL than floating pt.eG arithmetic.  Such as for and/or while loops.  Or user-definable lexical 
 functions.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVlH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:06:56 GMT10 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCLe3 Message-ID: <AKZFb.11213$NG4.2679@news.cpqcorp.net>m  > F$MATH will guarantee that existing procedures will not break.J I was not offering F$MATH instead of anything being planned. FOR and While areE currently in the works.:   Guyg  8 "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message, news:23DEC03.15202036@feda01.fed.ornl.gov...J > In a previous article, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote:
 > > Hi Folks,t > >.: > > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > >dD > > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point
 arithmetic1 > > in DCL. The intention is to support something0 > > similar to the following:n > >b
 > > a=1.23
 > > b=2.44 > >: > > write sys$output a+b > > 3.67 > >9C > > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *B >0G > I want to second Rob Young's concern about the ability to turn floatsOI > on and off.  I have existing DCL code that depends on the fact that DCLg) > currently only does integer arithmetic.e >n > WRT the F$MATH option:: >   What would be the result of F$MATH( "DIV", "1", "3" )?9 >   Could large/tiny floats be expressed as exponentials? I >   Would it be possible to combine F$MATH and F$FAO somehow to determineu >     the format of the result?d >tK > Personally, there are things I'd much rather see in DCL than floating pt. I > arithmetic.  Such as for and/or while loops.  Or user-definable lexical  > functions. >  > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVhJ > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 11:49:19 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL03 Message-ID: <ujPHWrmzbSmN@eisner.encompasserve.org>6  _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICELMCIAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: J > Hey Guy and guys, no point to reinvent the wheel here.  'bc' and 'dc' onB > on unix has arbitrary precision, builtins, conditional logic and > you can include it in pipes.  F    And in the tradition of UNIX, an absolutely awfull human interface.  A    I have no doubt that someone has ported gnu bc to VMS.  If you3    want that, use it.c  A    I like the idea of adding floating point to VMS.  But I'd waitsA    beyond 8.2 to get floating point symbol types instead of a new.A    lexical.  And yes, you would need some way to tell DCL whethersF    to do a calculation in float or integer, upward compatably (default    to integer).r   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 11:52:13 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)05 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL/3 Message-ID: <j$xQDQUJjnUh@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  f In article <AKZFb.11213$NG4.2679@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes:  + > FOR and While are currently in the works.s  ,    Now that is good news.  Do we get a CASE?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:19:25 -0800-# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>25 Subject: RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCLh9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEMNCIAA.tom@kednos.com>o   -----Original Message-----B From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]( Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:49 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms5 Subject: RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCLL    F In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICELMCIAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:J > Hey Guy and guys, no point to reinvent the wheel here.  'bc' and 'dc' onB > on unix has arbitrary precision, builtins, conditional logic and > you can include it in pipes.  F    And in the tradition of UNIX, an absolutely awfull human interface.  = I don't disagree with that.  BC is just the engine used by dc-E You can build your own DCL slip cover over it.  As I recall there arerH unix programs which presuppose the existance of bc (don't remember which though)s  A    I have no doubt that someone has ported gnu bc to VMS.  If youa    want that, use it.e  A    I like the idea of adding floating point to VMS.  But I'd waitmA    beyond 8.2 to get floating point symbol types instead of a new A    lexical.  And yes, you would need some way to tell DCL whethervF    to do a calculation in float or integer, upward compatably (default    to integer).A   --- & Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003f   ---.& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:24:58 +0100n2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)M Subject: Re: installation issue with OpenVMS 7.3-1 / AlphaStation 255/233 MHz ; Message-ID: <3fe809ea.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   * Ralph Graulich (maillist@shauny.de) wrote:B > after I have received my OpenVMS/Alpha Hobbyist Kit I set up my J > AlphaStation (which ran netBSD before) and updated the SRM firmware. It  > says:e > $ > V7.0-9, built Mar 18 1999 13:41:11 >c > "show dev" tells mer > - dka0 (IBM DORS-32160)e > - dka500 (RRD45) > - dva0 > - ewa0 (onboard 10 MBit NIC)" > - ewb0 (DEC500 100 MBit NIC PCI) > - pka0 >iD > Now trying to boot the OpenVMS installation procedure by using "b K > dka500". It tells me "configuring devices", first finds the onboard NIC, eJ > then finds the DEC500 additional NIC, cursor goes to newline, the CD ROMK > is accessed some more times and then nothing else happens, no prompt, no s > warning, no error. >cH > I already tried to remove all cards except for the onboard NIC - same 
 > failure. >'I > As I have got four identical systems, I took the next system (which is aH > the same, except for another hard disk model), upgraded the firmware,  > same failure.r  9 Set the verbosity boot flags mentioned in the OpenVMS FAQo= (section 14.3.5.1; available at http://www.hp.com/go/openvms)0' to try to determine where it's hanging:u   bit      description4 ---   ---------------------------------------------- ...c;  16   DBG_INIT    Enable verbose boot messages in EXEC_INIThH  17   USER_MSGS   Enable subset of verbose boot messages (user messages)   that is, boot using:   >>> boot -flags 0,10000 dka500   or 20000 or 30000.   cu,$   Martin -- 7A                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer . Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/l5 Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 07:38:40 -0800. From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb)M Subject: Re: installation issue with OpenVMS 7.3-1 / AlphaStation 255/233 MHz!= Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0312230738.72be1fea@posting.google.com>>  u martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote in message news:<3fe809ea.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>...", > Ralph Graulich (maillist@shauny.de) wrote:D > > after I have received my OpenVMS/Alpha Hobbyist Kit I set up my L > > AlphaStation (which ran netBSD before) and updated the SRM firmware. It 	 > > says:b > > & > > V7.0-9, built Mar 18 1999 13:41:11 > >n > > "show dev" tells meh > > - dka0 (IBM DORS-32160)c > > - dka500 (RRD45)
 > > - dva0  > > - ewa0 (onboard 10 MBit NIC)$ > > - ewb0 (DEC500 100 MBit NIC PCI)
 > > - pka0 > >mF > > Now trying to boot the OpenVMS installation procedure by using "b M > > dka500". It tells me "configuring devices", first finds the onboard NIC, oL > > then finds the DEC500 additional NIC, cursor goes to newline, the CD ROMM > > is accessed some more times and then nothing else happens, no prompt, no   > > warning, no error. > >lJ > > I already tried to remove all cards except for the onboard NIC - same  > > failure. > >NK > > As I have got four identical systems, I took the next system (which is BJ > > the same, except for another hard disk model), upgraded the firmware,  > > same failure.2 > ; > Set the verbosity boot flags mentioned in the OpenVMS FAQp? > (section 14.3.5.1; available at http://www.hp.com/go/openvms)>) > to try to determine where it's hanging:> >  > bit      description6 > ---   ---------------------------------------------- > ...>= >  16   DBG_INIT    Enable verbose boot messages in EXEC_INITpJ >  17   USER_MSGS   Enable subset of verbose boot messages (user messages) >  > that is, boot using: >   > >>> boot -flags 0,10000 dka500 >  > or 20000 or 30000. >  > cu,=
 >   Martin  A You're *consistently* not fully getting to the VMS part of thingst on four machines!O  B That says "console misconfiguration" or bad CD (or drive) to me.    ? Does each 255 have its own CD drive or are you moving one drive> from machine to machine?  B Do you have an already-configured VMS machine that you could shut A down and try booting from the CD-ROM to make sure that you didn'ts
 get a bad CD?o  B I don't have a 255 at hand so I'm going to free associate and put & down suggestions as they come to mind.   Console-   What is the value of "os_type"?   A (That brings to mind a post where somebody claimed that they got /A  different behavior depending on whether os_type was set to "VMS"-  or "OpenVMS".)   : Do a "show *" from the console prompt and use CONTRL-S and@ CONTRL-Q to stop/start the screen to look at all of your console	 settings.   B If you're still stuck after New Year's I can probably lay my hands$ on a 255 and compare notes with you.   HTH,   WWWebb ========================! William W. Webb- EMS Operations,   OpenVMS Systems Support % USPS DSSC Annex - 4730 Hargrove Road ,( Raleigh, NC 27616-2874 919.325.7500x4186 * * * -a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:56:24 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>2T Subject: Re: installation issue with OpenVMS 7.3-1 / AlphaStation 255/233 MHz MHzMHz0 Message-ID: <xrmdnaBJ8L3kpnWiRVn-ug@comcast.com>  E I don't see anything obviously wrong here!  The one element that you  # have not swapped out is the VMS CD.e  B I don't really expect this to make a difference but you might try  specifying the boot flags:    >>> boot -fl 0,0 dka500  G One other possibility is a console environment variable that specifies P2 the O/S you are booting.  It should be set to VMS.   Ralph Graulich wrote:3   > Hello, >pB > after I have received my OpenVMS/Alpha Hobbyist Kit I set up my G > AlphaStation (which ran netBSD before) and updated the SRM firmware.  
 > It says: > $ > V7.0-9, built Mar 18 1999 13:41:11 >  > "show dev" tells mei > - dka0 (IBM DORS-32160)  > - dka500 (RRD45) > - dva0 > - ewa0 (onboard 10 MBit NIC)" > - ewb0 (DEC500 100 MBit NIC PCI) > - pka0 >dD > Now trying to boot the OpenVMS installation procedure by using "b F > dka500". It tells me "configuring devices", first finds the onboard I > NIC, then finds the DEC500 additional NIC, cursor goes to newline, the   > CD ROMH > is accessed some more times and then nothing else happens, no prompt,  > no warning, no error.3 >:H > I already tried to remove all cards except for the onboard NIC - same 
 > failure. >sI > As I have got four identical systems, I took the next system (which is lH > the same, except for another hard disk model), upgraded the firmware,  > same failure.e >t= > Being pretty clueless at the moment, I appreciate any help.p >t > Many thanks and kind regards > ... Ralph ...n >n   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 10:11:59 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2?o< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312231011.3e1b9ac@posting.google.com>  < anyone with lengthy 7.1-2 use have any issues with anything, especially shadowing?l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:56:23 GMTl0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>4 Subject: Re: Problem with NFS after upgrade to 7.3-23 Message-ID: <Xs_Fb.11214$yN4.7061@news.cpqcorp.net>@   Hi Mark,  H I have seen several internal reports about this problem. The TCPIP folks still haven't responded@J probably due to the holiday vacation. I suggest filing a service call with your loca support center.g   Guy_G "Mark Itzcovitz" <mark.itzcovitz@nospam.vistacomp.com> wrote in messagee7 news:3fe73879$0$9388$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net...s > Hi,  >sF > I've just upgraded a development box to OpenVMS 7.3-2 (and HP TCP/IPL > Services 5.4) and now my C compiles fail to find header files. Both the .cL > source and the header files are accessed through NFS Client on the VMS boxE > to Microsoft Services for Unix NFS server on a Windows 2000 box. Ind general,E > there is no problem accessing the header files - I can do directoryv9 > listings, type them out and copy them with no problems.h >tK > The location of the header files is specified with a /INCLUDE flag on theeJ > compile command. If, instead, I hardcode it into the source, it works OK/ > (but I can't leave it like that permanently).u >nJ > A DCL f$search() with the full file specification also fails. If I put a? > wild card in any part of the file specification, it succeeds.t >n > Anybody have any insights? > 	 > Thanks,m >  > Mark >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:32:36 -0000i< From: "Mark Itzcovitz" <mark.itzcovitz@nospam.vistacomp.com>4 Subject: Re: Problem with NFS after upgrade to 7.3-2> Message-ID: <3fe87c34$0$13352$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net>  F Thanks, I have done that. It's nice to know that it's a known problem.  ; "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in message>- news:Xs_Fb.11214$yN4.7061@news.cpqcorp.net...r
 > Hi Mark, >lJ > I have seen several internal reports about this problem. The TCPIP folks > still haven't respondeddL > probably due to the holiday vacation. I suggest filing a service call with > your loca support center.o >i > GuytI > "Mark Itzcovitz" <mark.itzcovitz@nospam.vistacomp.com> wrote in message$9 > news:3fe73879$0$9388$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net...h > > Hi,r > >pH > > I've just upgraded a development box to OpenVMS 7.3-2 (and HP TCP/IPK > > Services 5.4) and now my C compiles fail to find header files. Both the  .cJ > > source and the header files are accessed through NFS Client on the VMS box G > > to Microsoft Services for Unix NFS server on a Windows 2000 box. InV
 > general,G > > there is no problem accessing the header files - I can do directory*; > > listings, type them out and copy them with no problems.e > >eI > > The location of the header files is specified with a /INCLUDE flag ont thepL > > compile command. If, instead, I hardcode it into the source, it works OK1 > > (but I can't leave it like that permanently).s > >eL > > A DCL f$search() with the full file specification also fails. If I put aA > > wild card in any part of the file specification, it succeeds.y > >v > > Anybody have any insights? > >o > > Thanks,t > >c > > Mark > >i > >  >a >s   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 07:34:38 -0800& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)K Subject: Re: Problems with CDRecord and a (new) Yamaha CRW-F1 SCSI recorderl= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0312230734.10c7ac34@posting.google.com>l  x vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) wrote in message news:<3fe6ef49$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>... >  > Rich,m >   > you should try Version 2.01A19 > H > ftp://v36.chemie.uni-konstanz.de/cdrecord_vms/cdrtools_2_01a19_vms.zip > 
 > Eberhard    	 Eberhard, E      thanks for the info; I'll try that after one other possibility. oA The Yamaha site lists firmware 1.0c as the latest for SCSI CRW-F1eF drives, and 1.0d as current for IDE.  I've written Yamaha tech supportC to verify that, and find out if they support 1.0d on SCSI units (no=E answer yet).  These drives are IDE based, and use a little Acard-like F SCSI adapter for SCSI usage, but my drive did not originally come with@ the SCSI adapter (it replaced the drive part of a SCSI unit that7 suffered physical damage) and had firmware 1.0d loaded.=  D      Over Christmas I'm going to install 1.0c firmware via a peecee,C then try it again.  After that I will get the new CDRecord.  Thanks< again!   Rich Jordanc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:13:24 +0100B From: jf.pieronne@laposte.net Y Subject: Re: Problems with MySQL (was Re: OpenVMS, CSWS (apache), PHP and...   Rdb)   Rdbc2 Message-ID: <bs9ii8$tqn$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr>   Mark Berryman wrote:    > jf.pieronne@laposte.net wrote: >  >> Mark Berryman wrote:  >> >>6 >> What kind of tables do you used: MyIsam or innodb ? >  > K > It looks like the package I was using builds all of its tables as MyIsam.i > H >> IMHO, It is much better to use innodb table, only innodb table offer F >> transaction support and flush data to disk when you commit, so you % >> can't lose any data unlike MyIsam.d >  > H > Out of curiosity (I've never seen the MySQL code) is there any reason D > why the MyIsam part of the port couldn't have been done using RMS? >   G Initially we have plan to develop an RMS module like MyIsam, Innodb,...a) But we we didn't find the necessary time.     5 >> If you can build a reproducer, I will take a look., >  > G > I have not found anything specific that causes the problem.  We will cJ > simply be running the various scripts that manipulate the database and, G > at some point, someone will get back a 127 error from MySQL.  When I  G > investigate, the table(s) in question are corrupted.  I have not yet  @ > found and particular script or action that causes the problem. > : >> V4.0.17 was just released, I will build a VMS kit soon. >>  L I have build V4.0.17 for VMS, you can download the kit from usual location,   may be can you try this version.  
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:15:08 GMTu" From: "JLando" <jglando@yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindowss- Message-ID: <wITFb.21170$VB2.49730@attbi_s51>n  A     MGBOOK appears to be what I need. Thanks for all the help and4- alternative solutions to the problem. Thanks!        - Jim L.    C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagel- news:S1eFb.167159$dt3.62778@news.chello.at... ? > In article <pljauvsld311mdum87t4btc031cdfjmbmv@4ax.com>, JimL  <jglando@yaahooo.com> writes:n? > >I'm trying to figure out how to read the OpenVMS VAX On-linem@ > >Documentation library without using the DECWindows interface.= > >I don't have a monitor on my vaxstation, just the console.u) > >Any help would be greatly appreciated.t >  > My first reaction wasFF > There is a DECUS utility named HGBOOK (formerly called MGBOOK, which replacedH > an older program VTBOOK) which let you read bookreader documents on VT terms. > Is it this what you want ? > % > But a closer look finds no HGBOOK ? 9 > Hunter, do I remember wrong ? Was it only HGFTP/MGFTP ?f >t > MGBOOK can be found at% > ftp://ftp.madgoat.com/madgoat/ 1998o3 > ftp://ftp.process.com/VMS-FREEWARE/FILESERV/ 1996p< > http://www.openvms.digital.com/freeware/freeware40/ V1.0-1 >h > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERq' > Network and OpenVMS system specialistl > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2003 23:16:11 -0800, From: ian.burgess@start.com.au (Ian Burgess)W Subject: Re: Subject: Re: backing up VMS files to PC based CD writer - belated followups= Message-ID: <6b63fc08.0312222316.124c8952@posting.google.com>    >  > I have no luck at all withH > 1) Zip. The VMS executable complains about missing some LIB$SHR (sic) 1 >  file. I have no C compiler for the zip source.wC > 2) Changing file attributes on ftp'ed save_set.  There is no set uK >  file/attribute command in VMS 5.x.  I have fiddled with FDL to no avail dF >  (I have changed file attributes on text files by including them in 4 >  files which already have the desired attributes).  ? I expect someone will tell you of FILE, which we used to changeHD characteristics before the advent of SET FILE/ATTRIBUTES, written by/ Joe Meadows ten years ago and available from...1  :  http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?FILE   From the help.. 4    "FILE is a utility for modifying file attributes.A     FILE DOES NOT convert a file. FILE changes characteristics of .     the file, and thus VMS' view of the file."    K > 3) Attaching SCSI CD.  I downloaded driver and patch a few years ago but s3 >  could not get any of my SCSI CD devices to work.w ...o > thanks again > larryd   Ianl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:26:27 GMTt( From: Mark Hemker <hemker@insightbb.com>( Subject: Re: V7.3-2 shipping problems...8 Message-ID: <2r9guvc6gis7hi72su0ui875t0c9kbtjs1@4ax.com>  D I think that HP's shipping system gets confused sometimes.  We movedC to the other side of Indianapolis about 18 months ago and have beenCF receiving our Quarterly SPLs at the new address just fine.  Then, lastA week, one of our Operators got a phone call from the company that-F moved into our old offices because they received a package for us fromD HP.  It hasn't arrived at our offices yet, but I am guessing that is the V7.3-2 media./   Mark  E On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:05:36 -0500, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:u  ) >On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Wayne Sewell wrote:6 >5 >> >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsa( >> >Subject: V7.3-2 shipping problems...$ >> >From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG >> >F >> >I received my V7.3-2 source listings some time ago but I only justE >> >Saturday (20-DEC) received my V7.3-2 binaries from FedEx.  Why???4 >> >F >> >My address has been in the DEC/Compaq databases with the full nineF >> >digit ZIP code (08527-2320).  The new HP printing label has my ZIPF >> >code as 8527232 -- the leading and trailing zeroes were lost.  TheF >> >FedEx label has this as a shipment to Arizona (AZ 85272).  There'sH >> >some interesting tracking history at FedEx (track id: 630136551751). >> >G >> >I know most of HP is out for the duration of the Christmas and New mF >> >Year holidays but I thought I'd post this here in hopes that some-F >> >body in HP would still be reading news and be able to forward this/ >> >issue to the appropriate party inside HP.    >> >D >> >Curious.  Anybody with a similar ZIP experience this same issue? >> > >> cR >> I might have, with a code similar to yours.  I just looked at my label, and theQ >> the last digit of the extended zip was truncated and there was no dash.  So itd >> *was* dorked with.  >>  Q >> However, my main zip starts with 7, not 0, so this is probably the difference.yO >> Without the leading zero, it was not truncated to a value corresponding to ap- >> location on the other side of the country.@ >> cQ >> So this is going to affect only people in the northeast, since that's the part S >> of the country with zips that start with 0 (software partners, north of boston,  
 >> is 01983).s >> o >> Wayne >oF >I had a similar problem recently (September?) with a layered productsE >kit (DSPP), a bogified ZIP code sent it wandering.  I don't rememberC< >the details, but I think it was similar to Brian's problem. >.H >The V7.3-2 kit came through fine, and has the correct 5-digit ZIP code.I >(It arrived on Dec 2, and someone left it on the desk of someone who wasu8 >on vacation, so I didn't see it for another week... :-( >tD >Today I received another box with V7.3-2 and the Q4 SPL (apparentlyD >through the DSPP program.  It has two labels on it, both with bogusA >ZIP codes.  The HP label has a 4-digit code, 2173.  Our ZIP code C >*used* to be 02173, but the Post Office changed it about 3-4 yearsiD >ago.  The FedEx label has 02170 (wrong but probably near-by, beforeC >the Post Office changed a bunch of local ZIP codes 3-4 years ago.).C >The 02170 is crossed out and there is a hand-written 02420 written G >next to it.  This is also wrong, 02420 is the other half of Lexington.o >AD >I tried checking the tracking number on the FedEx site to determineG >how long it took to get the 35-40 miles from Nashua (shipped "Prioritye> >Overnight" a week before Christmas), but the FedEx site makes >DUNIX Netscape 4 core-dump. >oC >Later: VMS Mozilla works (complained about not having write access H >to its files, though) and says the package was shipped from LondonderryF >(next to Nashua) on Thursday evening, arrived about an equal distanceK >in the other direction about an hour later, spent all day Friday wanderingsE >around Massachusetts (probably passing through Lexington 2-3 times), C >spent the weekend in Needham (about 8 miles as the crow flies from / >here), and was finally delivered this morning.H >ND >I thought we had this straightened out after the September debacle.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:54:08 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: V7.3-2 shipping problems...0 Message-ID: <00A2ACAA.10628D86@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <1031222203953.11604A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:") >On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Wayne Sewell wrote:" >" >> >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ( >> >Subject: V7.3-2 shipping problems...$ >> >From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG >> >F >> >I received my V7.3-2 source listings some time ago but I only justE >> >Saturday (20-DEC) received my V7.3-2 binaries from FedEx.  Why???  >> >F >> >My address has been in the DEC/Compaq databases with the full nineF >> >digit ZIP code (08527-2320).  The new HP printing label has my ZIPF >> >code as 8527232 -- the leading and trailing zeroes were lost.  TheF >> >FedEx label has this as a shipment to Arizona (AZ 85272).  There'sH >> >some interesting tracking history at FedEx (track id: 630136551751). >> >G >> >I know most of HP is out for the duration of the Christmas and New =F >> >Year holidays but I thought I'd post this here in hopes that some-F >> >body in HP would still be reading news and be able to forward this/ >> >issue to the appropriate party inside HP.  A >> >D >> >Curious.  Anybody with a similar ZIP experience this same issue? >> > >>  R >> I might have, with a code similar to yours.  I just looked at my label, and theQ >> the last digit of the extended zip was truncated and there was no dash.  So ita >> *was* dorked with.e >> nQ >> However, my main zip starts with 7, not 0, so this is probably the difference.iO >> Without the leading zero, it was not truncated to a value corresponding to aa- >> location on the other side of the country.  >> HQ >> So this is going to affect only people in the northeast, since that's the partaS >> of the country with zips that start with 0 (software partners, north of boston, b
 >> is 01983).  >> I >> Wayne >hF >I had a similar problem recently (September?) with a layered productsE >kit (DSPP), a bogified ZIP code sent it wandering.  I don't remembert< >the details, but I think it was similar to Brian's problem. >uH >The V7.3-2 kit came through fine, and has the correct 5-digit ZIP code.I >(It arrived on Dec 2, and someone left it on the desk of someone who was 8 >on vacation, so I didn't see it for another week... :-( >.D >Today I received another box with V7.3-2 and the Q4 SPL (apparentlyD >through the DSPP program.  It has two labels on it, both with bogusA >ZIP codes.  The HP label has a 4-digit code, 2173.  Our ZIP codeoC >*used* to be 02173, but the Post Office changed it about 3-4 yearslD >ago.  The FedEx label has 02170 (wrong but probably near-by, beforeC >the Post Office changed a bunch of local ZIP codes 3-4 years ago.)xC >The 02170 is crossed out and there is a hand-written 02420 written G >next to it.  This is also wrong, 02420 is the other half of Lexington.i >yD >I tried checking the tracking number on the FedEx site to determineG >how long it took to get the 35-40 miles from Nashua (shipped "Priority > >Overnight" a week before Christmas), but the FedEx site makes >DUNIX Netscape 4 core-dump. >dC >Later: VMS Mozilla works (complained about not having write accessiH >to its files, though) and says the package was shipped from LondonderryF >(next to Nashua) on Thursday evening, arrived about an equal distanceK >in the other direction about an hour later, spent all day Friday wanderinggE >around Massachusetts (probably passing through Lexington 2-3 times),iC >spent the weekend in Needham (about 8 miles as the crow flies frome/ >here), and was finally delivered this morning.e >eD >I thought we had this straightened out after the September debacle.  I I'm sure FedEx has enough work to do to get all of its Christmas shipping H deliveries out to people that have been busy shopping 1-800 and on-line.G (I sure have!)  They certainly don't need to be delivering packages viaeH the scenic routes at this time of the year.  Anyway, I'm happy FedEx hadI sorted it all out such that I received it.  Nothing like installing Open-o VMS on Christmas day.o   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.d -- $K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 04:14:31 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)( Subject: Re: V7.3-2 shipping problems...= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0312230414.5030d957@posting.google.com>p  ^ John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1031222203953.11604A-100000@Ives.egh.com>...* > On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Wayne Sewell wrote: >  > > >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms) > > >Subject: V7.3-2 shipping problems... % > > >From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  > > > G > > >I received my V7.3-2 source listings some time ago but I only just F > > >Saturday (20-DEC) received my V7.3-2 binaries from FedEx.  Why??? > > > G > > >My address has been in the DEC/Compaq databases with the full nineOG > > >digit ZIP code (08527-2320).  The new HP printing label has my ZIPtG > > >code as 8527232 -- the leading and trailing zeroes were lost.  The G > > >FedEx label has this as a shipment to Arizona (AZ 85272).  There's-I > > >some interesting tracking history at FedEx (track id: 630136551751).o > > >uH > > >I know most of HP is out for the duration of the Christmas and New G > > >Year holidays but I thought I'd post this here in hopes that some- G > > >body in HP would still be reading news and be able to forward thisa0 > > >issue to the appropriate party inside HP.   > > > E > > >Curious.  Anybody with a similar ZIP experience this same issue?y > > >  > > S > > I might have, with a code similar to yours.  I just looked at my label, and theeR > > the last digit of the extended zip was truncated and there was no dash.  So it > > *was* dorked with. > > R > > However, my main zip starts with 7, not 0, so this is probably the difference.P > > Without the leading zero, it was not truncated to a value corresponding to a. > > location on the other side of the country. > > R > > So this is going to affect only people in the northeast, since that's the partT > > of the country with zips that start with 0 (software partners, north of boston,  > > is 01983). > > 	 > > Wayne  > G > I had a similar problem recently (September?) with a layered productsrF > kit (DSPP), a bogified ZIP code sent it wandering.  I don't remember= > the details, but I think it was similar to Brian's problem.s > I > The V7.3-2 kit came through fine, and has the correct 5-digit ZIP code.nJ > (It arrived on Dec 2, and someone left it on the desk of someone who was9 > on vacation, so I didn't see it for another week... :-(n > E > Today I received another box with V7.3-2 and the Q4 SPL (apparently E > through the DSPP program.  It has two labels on it, both with bogusxB > ZIP codes.  The HP label has a 4-digit code, 2173.  Our ZIP codeD > *used* to be 02173, but the Post Office changed it about 3-4 yearsE > ago.  The FedEx label has 02170 (wrong but probably near-by, beforecD > the Post Office changed a bunch of local ZIP codes 3-4 years ago.)D > The 02170 is crossed out and there is a hand-written 02420 writtenH > next to it.  This is also wrong, 02420 is the other half of Lexington. > E > I tried checking the tracking number on the FedEx site to determine0H > how long it took to get the 35-40 miles from Nashua (shipped "Priority? > Overnight" a week before Christmas), but the FedEx site makesZ > DUNIX Netscape 4 core-dump.n > D > Later: VMS Mozilla works (complained about not having write accessI > to its files, though) and says the package was shipped from LondonderryrG > (next to Nashua) on Thursday evening, arrived about an equal distancelL > in the other direction about an hour later, spent all day Friday wanderingF > around Massachusetts (probably passing through Lexington 2-3 times),D > spent the weekend in Needham (about 8 miles as the crow flies from0 > here), and was finally delivered this morning. > E > I thought we had this straightened out after the September debacle.t    ? Maybe HP should subcontract Amazon to ship their products ! :-)3= They are good in logistics ! I allways receive my products !     Regardsi   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:49:07 +0000bO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>g8 Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...0 Message-ID: <bs932k$afs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Chris Moore wrote:E > And he just slammed me for telling people to leave him alone.  Thisf3 > gentleman needs to find a hobby or something.....  >   7 No I slammed you for trolling or at least participating  in what is essentially a troll  9 A troll is a poster who keeps repeately popping up makingh4 points that are BS and have been proven to incorrect( in a pathetic attempt to get a response.  5 The inaccuracy of OpenVMS CERT advisories is a provend3 fact. So anyone that keeps popping up making pointsi1 about OpenVMS's "wonderfull" CERT track record isp behaving like a troll.  / I you cannot prove the point and you can't then:2 don't try naking it and don't expect my to retract) the points that I have bothered to prove.o   Regardst Andrew Harrison0     > 7 > "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in messagec+ > news:00A2AAC0.4629FEEC.1@tachysoft.com...o > ) >>>From: "Chris Moore" <just@my.twocents>e >>>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms; >>>Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...r >>>rJ >>>Why is it that people continue to bait Harrison?  Reasoned arguments orH >>>evidence to the contrary, he'll never admit he's wrong, so why bother >>>"winding him up"? >>>e >>) >>One of the great mysteries of our time.  >>I >>Why people waste time responding to him is beyond me.  And deliberatelyw= >>provoking him to post by starting a thread like this one iso >  > incomprehensible >  >>behavior.  >>K >>Fortunately, I don't see his own posts, just the unfortunate responses topL >>them.  I guess I'll have to start scanning the message *body* for his name >  > so I >  >>can filter those too.  >> >>Wayner >> > N > ============================================================================ > ===/ > : >>Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 >  > wayne@tachysoft.comn > : >>http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html >> > N > ============================================================================ > ===C > J >>Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."3 >>   Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"F >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 10:07:29 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)8 Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312231007.408d0952@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bs932k$afs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...> > Chris Moore wrote:G > > And he just slammed me for telling people to leave him alone.  Thisr5 > > gentleman needs to find a hobby or something....., > >  > 9 > No I slammed you for trolling or at least participating   > in what is essentially a troll > ; > A troll is a poster who keeps repeately popping up making 6 > points that are BS and have been proven to incorrect* > in a pathetic attempt to get a response.  : so by your own definition, you, Andrew, are a troll ... :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:16:58 +0000gO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>o8 Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...0 Message-ID: <bsa0qq$jbf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:o > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bs932k$afs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...n >  >>Chris Moore wrote: >>F >>>And he just slammed me for telling people to leave him alone.  This4 >>>gentleman needs to find a hobby or something..... >>>0 >>9 >>No I slammed you for trolling or at least participatingA  >>in what is essentially a troll >>; >>A troll is a poster who keeps repeately popping up makingt6 >>points that are BS and have been proven to incorrect* >>in a pathetic attempt to get a response. >  > < > so by your own definition, you, Andrew, are a troll ... :)  : Remind me where you proved your points and disproved mine.   Back under the bridge Bob.   Regardsa Andrew Harrisonp   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.709 ************************