1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 24 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 710       Contents:# 01  FNCI-FUNCTION-INFO IS EXTERNAL. ! Re: Advanced Server 7.3A Problem? < Re: ALPHAstation 255/233 won't boot: nothing obviously wrong< Re: ALPHAstation 255/233 won't boot: nothing obviously wrong' Re: Bug in DEC VAXVMS FORTRAN V6.5-188? 1 Re: can one embed escape sequences in the prompt?  Re: Christmas Special , Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL& Re: Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2?& Re: Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2?& Re: Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2? KZPSA and alphastation 200 Re: KZPSA and alphastation 200 Re: KZPSA and alphastation 200$ Re: Looking for a HSG80 driver Guru.# Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS # Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS # Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS 
 Re: Next Week  Re: OpenVMS org  Re: OpenVMS org  Please ignore this test + Re: Problem with NFS after upgrade to 7.3-2 + Re: Read this and weap, the twat's arrived! + Re: Read this and weap, the twat's arrived! + Re: Read this and weap, the twat's arrived!  Re: Read this and weap, twats! Re: Read this and weap, twats! Re: Read this and weap, twats! Re: Read this and weap, twats! Re: Read this and weap, twats! Re: Read this and weap, twats! Re: Read this and weap, twats! Re: Read this and weap, twats!0 Re: Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindows& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS* Suggestion to the TCPIP Services FTP folks/ Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ... / Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ... 2 Why does OSU www hostprot rule fail after upgrade?6 Re: Why does OSU www hostprot rule fail after upgrade?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 03:50:55 GMT  From: notValid@yahoo.com, Subject: 01  FNCI-FUNCTION-INFO IS EXTERNAL.8 Message-ID: <m63iuv8o8uoi5i2noct274b7mb052i60p8@4ax.com>    Ok. I don't understand this one.  + Why does this work on vax and not on alpha?   ( (the 01 level is called in as a copylib.   01 ...      05 .... )      # 01  FNCI-FUNCTION-INFO IS EXTERNAL. " .................................^D %COBOL-E-EXTERN, EXTERNAL clause ignored, valid only for named 01 or 77 items iS    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:00:18 GMT 8 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net>* Subject: Re: Advanced Server 7.3A Problem?0 Message-ID: <C12Gb.462887$275.1352806@attbi_s53>  H I do have a contract and I have a call logged.  We haven't gotten to the tcptrace step yet.  L I was wondering if anyone else was experiencing this problem or I just had aJ bastard PC...  Until last week, it was only happening on one W95 PC.  Late" last week it happened on a W2K PC.  D Thanks for the trace information.  I will give that shot since I can reproduce the problem.   Regards, Tom   / "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com> wrote in message & news:brv29l$db5$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com...	 > Hi All,  > L > For files being left open, if you can find a sequence of actions that willK > typically reproduce the problem, it's then best to obtain a network trace  toL > determine whether the problem is  the client (not requesting file closure)4 > or the server (not responding to such a requests). > @ >     $ tcptrace/full/packet=10000/buffer=300/output=anyfile.log > @ > If at all possible, start the trace just _prior_ to the client establishingI > it's initial session/connection to the server.  There are session setup  and I > negotiate protocol SMBs that are often important in determining exactly J > what's occurring.  Once the problem has been reproduce, kill the tracingJ > using Ctrl/Y.  Note the above trace command does NOT specify any IP host toL > trace - it's going to trace EVERYTHING to/from the Advanced Server system;H > that's because there are times when client actions cause the server toI > perform ancillary tasks due to some interaction with the client - i.e., F > generate and deliver an Alert message.  You can initially filter the capture E > frames to only display frames between the client and server.   Then  if/when G > a problem or anomaly is seen, disable the filter to see what's really  going I > on around that time (if possible, you can filter the display to include  onlyJ > frames using UDP ports 137 and 138,  and TCP port 139 - these constitute the K > NetBIOS name services, datagram services, are session services used by MS I > Networking systems), eliminating any non-essential frames (ie., telnet,  ftp, > nfs, etc)... > H > You can use ethereal (www.ethereal.com) to analyze the frames - it's a great I > tool and it's free.  If you have a support contract with HP or purchase  Per 8 > Event support, we'll be glad to have a look for you... >  > HTH, >  >  > Paul >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:08:49 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)E Subject: Re: ALPHAstation 255/233 won't boot: nothing obviously wrong $ Message-ID: <bsa7ch$pu3$1@online.de>  H In article <bs5op7$p3a$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:   H > Be sure the terminal is set up correctly.  9600 baud, 8/N/1.  AlthoughI > you do mention using the termilan on another system so this is probably 	 > not it.   @ Right.  I'm pretty sure the machine is faulty, not the terminal.  H The machine can definitely boot if the console terminal is switched off.8 Presumably, then, it could boot if it is faulty as well.  C > Does it have a graphics card?  If so, connect a monitor to it and D > a keyboard, and press the halt button and hit return/ctrl-P/ctrl-C@ > on the keyboard and you should get its attention (>>> prompt).B > Then you can poke around and see what's up, and see what happensJ > when you try to boot.  You can enter the command >>>set console graphicsL > to keep it in this state until you figure out what's wrong with the serial
 > console.  H Will this get me the console prompt on the graphics monitor even if the  console is set to SERIAL?    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:15:18 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) E Subject: Re: ALPHAstation 255/233 won't boot: nothing obviously wrong ( Message-ID: <bsasrm$9ga$1@pcls4.std.com>  K helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)   writes:   D >> Does it have a graphics card?  If so, connect a monitor to it andE >> a keyboard, and press the halt button and hit return/ctrl-P/ctrl-C A >> on the keyboard and you should get its attention (>>> prompt). C >> Then you can poke around and see what's up, and see what happens K >> when you try to boot.  You can enter the command >>>set console graphics M >> to keep it in this state until you figure out what's wrong with the serial  >> console.   H >Will this get me the console prompt on the graphics monitor even if the >console is set to SERIAL?  G Yes.  The console will always respond to the "other" console regardless D of the SET CONSOLE status.  You have to get its attention by hittingE one of (return, ctrl-C, ctrl-P, I forget which one) on the other port 5 when it should be at the >>> prompt at the real port.   6 You will not get the ff..fe..fd test sequence however.   --   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:23:11 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>0 Subject: Re: Bug in DEC VAXVMS FORTRAN V6.5-188?9 Message-ID: <bsabo0$bcog0$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   < "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote> in message news:bs74ie$a7eq3$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de... >...< > Thanks to the various people who replied through e-mail on8 > this one. One person tells me the bug still appears in Fortran  >...  ; Thanks again, the one private response I received was right = according to the official answer from HP. If Fortran you have : to specify all commas, even if the trailing parameters are< defaulted. It has been so long since I did any Fortran and I> forgot this, the programmer who started this has always worked< on Alpha/VMS so he never ran into this problem before. So in' the end there was not a bug in Fortran.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:12:56 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>: Subject: Re: can one embed escape sequences in the prompt?6 Message-ID: <3FE90438.31DF8767@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > G > I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but can one embed escape C > sequences in the prompt, e.g. to make it appear bold by using the < > appropriate escape sequences for the terminal in question?  H Well, as is often the case, there's a large gap between what CAN be done and what SHOULD be done.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:33:21 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Christmas Special6 Message-ID: <3FE90901.88F55062@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  >  > Island wrote:  > @ > > YOU MUST include a valid daytime phone number for this offer >  > Who's daytime ???  >  > Jan-Erik.   E My guess would be yours - be sure to specify your time zone (GMT+x or 8 GMT-x)) in your e-mail to Islandco. Then its no problem.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:21:58 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <3FE895D6.8B6C11E5@applied-synergy.com>    Guy Peleg wrote: > K > I would also like your feedback about the possibility of adding a lexical  > function to perform L > floating point math. As you might imagine adding floating point support is > not easy, however,G > lexical functions are much easier to add. We can add a F$MATH lexical 
 > function6 > to perform various types of arithmetic. For example: > . > Write sys$output F$MATH("ADD","4.55","3.22") > I > Other operands might be :sub,div,mul,sqrt,sin,cos,tan and what ever one 
 > would like.  > : > Pro : * Very easy to code (this is what I care about ;-)& >         * I can commit this for V8.2, >         *  Can be provided for VAX & Alpha >         * Very easy to code 8 >         * Less risk of breaking existing functionality. >         * Easy to add operands in the future > ( > Con: result must be stored as a string >  > What do you think? >  > Guy  > = > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in message / > news:EWTFb.11204$bD4.3662@news.cpqcorp.net... 
 > > Hi Folks,  > > : > > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > > D > > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point > arithmetic1 > > in DCL. The intention is to support something  > > similar to the following:  > > 
 > > a=1.23
 > > b=2.44 > >  > > write sys$output a+b > > 3.67 > > C > > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  > > J > > If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short: > > justification. Assuming the response will be positive,* > > I will try to implement this for V8.2. > > & > > Merry Christmas and happy new year    F My vote would be to implement a floating point F$TYPE and allow inline2 floating point operations as opposed to a lexical.  F To ensure backwards compatibility, x op y should do integer operationsD whenever x and y are both integer and floating point operations (andH results) when either x or y is floating point.  This ensures that x/y of2 existing code produces the correct integer result.  G A lexical would be appropriate for the various floating point functions * which could be added.  (ceil, round, etc.)  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:07:35 -0700 8 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 0 Message-ID: <s82Gb.87$n13.93235@news.uswest.net>   I'd settle for   IF <conditional> THEN    statement block  ELSEIF <conditional> THEN    statement block  .  .  .  ELSE   statement block  ENDIF   J It's more flexible than most case statements.  I have seen case statementsG where you can put a conditional expression on each case, but that's not 	 standard.   
 Mike Ober.  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:j$xQDQUJjnUh@eisner.encompasserve.org... A > In article <AKZFb.11213$NG4.2679@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Guy Peleg" & <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes: > - > > FOR and While are currently in the works.  > . >    Now that is good news.  Do we get a CASE? >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:21:12 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 5 Subject: RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAENFCIAA.tom@kednos.com>   I The subject title of this thread is wrong, at least based on the examples G cited.  This is not floating point but scaled, fixed decimal.  Floating  point  has an exponent and a mantissa.    /* -----Original Message----- @ /* From: Michael D. Ober [mailto:obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam]+ /* Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:08 PM  /* To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 /* Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL /* /* /* I'd settle for  /* /* IF <conditional> THEN /*   statement block /* ELSEIF <conditional> THEN /*   statement block /* . /* . /* . /* ELSE  /*   statement block /* ENDIF /*B /* It's more flexible than most case statements.  I have seen case
 /* statements J /* where you can put a conditional expression on each case, but that's not /* standard. /*
 /* Mike Ober.  /*K /* "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message 0 /* news:j$xQDQUJjnUh@eisner.encompasserve.org...D /* > In article <AKZFb.11213$NG4.2679@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Guy Peleg") /* <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes:  /* >0 /* > > FOR and While are currently in the works. /* >1 /* >    Now that is good news.  Do we get a CASE?  /* > /* /* /* ---) /* Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. = /* Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). D /* Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 /* --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 14:28:12 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312231428.458e67b8@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGELKCIAA.tom@kednos.com>... > -----Original Message-----* > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]* > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 5:41 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL  >  > Guy Peleg wrote: [...] D > > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point< > > arithmetic in DCL. The intention is to support something > > similar to the following:  > > 
 > > a=1.23
 > > b=2.44 > >  > > write sys$output a+b > > 3.67 > > C > > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  [...] L > Would you also be implementing a round(expr, n) and  ceiling() and floor()
 > as well? [end of John Smith's words]  [beg of Tom Linden's words]  > M > Why not just use PL/I,which has those functions, of course, it doesn't have  > arbitrary precision. [end of Tom Linden's words]    Just as an aside:   F Stratus VOS does exactly this for arithmetic and logical operators. It@ also does exponentiation with the ** operator and it is floating point.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:35:25 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 5 Subject: RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICENGCIAA.tom@kednos.com>    /* -----Original Message----- 8 /* From: Alan E. Feldman [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]+ /* Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:28 PM  /* To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 /* Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL /*   /*  2 /* "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message 8 /* news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGELKCIAA.tom@kednos.com>... /* > -----Original Message----- - /* > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] - /* > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 5:41 AM  /* > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: /* > Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL /* >   /* > Guy Peleg wrote:  /* [...]G /* > > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point ? /* > > arithmetic in DCL. The intention is to support something   /* > > similar to the following: /* > >
 /* > > a=1.23 
 /* > > b=2.44  /* > > /* > > write sys$output a+b  /* > > 3.67  /* > >F /* > > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and * /* [...]D /* > Would you also be implementing a round(expr, n) and  ceiling()  /* and floor()
 /* > as well?  /* [end of John Smith's words] /* [beg of Tom Linden's words] /* >  D /* > Why not just use PL/I,which has those functions, of course, it  /* doesn't have  /* > arbitrary precision.  /* [end of Tom Linden's words] /*   /* Just as an aside: /*  I /* Stratus VOS does exactly this for arithmetic and logical operators. It C /* also does exponentiation with the ** operator and it is floating 	 /* point.   ? I was aware of that, but I thought it was scaled fixed decimal.    /*   /* Disclaimer: JMHO  /* Alan E. Feldman /*   /* ---) /* Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. = /* Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). D /* Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 /*   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:10:24 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <QP4Gb.208868$dt3.15622@news.chello.at>   k In article <s82Gb.87$n13.93235@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> writes:  >I'd settle for  >  >IF <conditional> THEN >  statement block >ELSEIF <conditional> THEN   make this ELSIF    >  statement block >..  >..  >..  >ELSE  >  statement block >ENDIF   then I second it.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:03:14 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL ) Message-ID: <3FE8E5CF.90D616F1@istop.com>    Guy Peleg wrote:M > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point arithmetic / > in DCL. The intention is to support something  > similar to the following:   A > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *   H Wow ! What a chritmas gift !!! Will you code this on christmas day ? :-)  Q You may wish to inspire yourself from ALLIN1 (but you don't have to admit to it).   N A1 has the "DECIMAL x" command which defines how many decimal points should beG used. DECIMAL 0 means integer numbers. DECIMAL 1 means only deal with 1 K decimal etc. DCL could default to DECIMAL 0 which means total compatibility  with existing procedures.   J Then, a user could explicitely enable floating point computations with theJ DECIMAL X command which would also determine how many decimals to use when0 converting the binary value to printable string.    L This would be great to calculate percentages, ratios (such as disk usage for- instance), as well as dealing with money etc.   I You'd probably have to make sure that any DECIMAL command issued inside a M procedure is popped out when the procedure ends to ensure the context returns 4 to whatever it was before the procedure was invoked.  G Of course, any arguments given to lexicals would have to be implicitely  converted to integer.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 18:42:56 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312231842.6cebe913@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICENGCIAA.tom@kednos.com>... [...]    Tom Linden: F > /* > Why not just use PL/I,which has those functions, of course, it  > /* doesn't have  > /* > arbitrary precision.    Alan E. Feldman: > /* Just as an aside: > /*  K > /* Stratus VOS does exactly this for arithmetic and logical operators. It E > /* also does exponentiation with the ** operator and it is floating  > /* point.    Tom Linden: A > I was aware of that, but I thought it was scaled fixed decimal.   & Here's a quick Stratus VOS experiment:   ready  21:22:22  display_line (calc 2.5 ** 9) 3814.697265625 ready  21:22:40 ! display_line (calc 2.5 ** 9 * 10)  38146.97265625 ready  21:22:51 - display_line (calc 2.5 ** 9 * 10000000000000)  3.814697265625E+16 ready  21:23:00  display_line (calc 2.5 ** 99)  2.48920611114446E+39 ready  21:23:32   C There ya go! The weird thing with this function is that you have to E put apostrophes around inner parentheses, e.g.: (calc '(' 4 + 5 ')' * 4 9 ) and leave spaces between operators and operands.   Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:03:13 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 5 Subject: RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICENLCIAA.tom@kednos.com>    /* -----Original Message----- 8 /* From: Alan E. Feldman [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]+ /* Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:43 PM  /* To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 /* Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL /* /*1 /* "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message 8 /* news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICENGCIAA.tom@kednos.com>... /* [...] /* /* Tom Linden:H /* > /* > Why not just use PL/I,which has those functions, of course, it /* > /* doesn't have /* > /* > arbitrary precision. /* /* Alan E. Feldman:  /* > /* Just as an aside:  /* > /* @ /* > /* Stratus VOS does exactly this for arithmetic and logical /* operators. ItH /* > /* also does exponentiation with the ** operator and it is floating /* > /* point. /* /* Tom Linden:D /* > I was aware of that, but I thought it was scaled fixed decimal. /*) /* Here's a quick Stratus VOS experiment:  /* /* ready  21:22:22 /* display_line (calc 2.5 ** 9)  /* 3814.697265625  /* ready  21:22:40$ /* display_line (calc 2.5 ** 9 * 10) /* 38146.97265625  /* ready  21:22:510 /* display_line (calc 2.5 ** 9 * 10000000000000) /* 3.814697265625E+16  /* ready  21:23:00  /* display_line (calc 2.5 ** 99) /* 2.48920611114446E+39  /* ready  21:23:32 /*F /* There ya go! The weird thing with this function is that you have toH /* put apostrophes around inner parentheses, e.g.: (calc '(' 4 + 5 ')' *5 /* 9 ) and leave spaces between operators and operand I Interesting, it appears they are using float decimal. They must be making B direct calls to the math lib, because precision and scale both for declarationsF and the bifs must be constants, othrewise it would be trivial to write routinesK to do the same, but typically you want to control precision and scale, e.g.  MULTIPLY(X,Y,P,Q)   L Looks like they could have done  better job of tokenizing, a bit surprising.   /* /* Alan E. Feldman /* /* ---) /* Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. = /* Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). D /* Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 /* --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:24:25 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 6 Message-ID: <3FE906E9.F4DA9764@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Guy Peleg wrote: > K > I would also like your feedback about the possibility of adding a lexical  > function to perform L > floating point math. As you might imagine adding floating point support is > not easy, however,G > lexical functions are much easier to add. We can add a F$MATH lexical 
 > function6 > to perform various types of arithmetic. For example: > . > Write sys$output F$MATH("ADD","4.55","3.22") > I > Other operands might be :sub,div,mul,sqrt,sin,cos,tan and what ever one 
 > would like.  > : > Pro : * Very easy to code (this is what I care about ;-)& >         * I can commit this for V8.2, >         *  Can be provided for VAX & Alpha >         * Very easy to code 8 >         * Less risk of breaking existing functionality. >         * Easy to add operands in the future > ( > Con: result must be stored as a string >  > What do you think?   Dunno, Guy. Seems kludgy.    My opinion: G I'd say do it and let it evetually become undocumented/unsupported. I'd  rather see:   H $ DECLARE[/GLOBAL] datatype symbol_name[,symbol_name[,symbol_name[...]]]   Example:9 $ DECLARE D_FLOAT MY_D_FLOAT1,MY_D_FLOAT2,MY_D_FLOAT3,...    ...or...    $ SET SYMBOL[/GLOBAL] datatype -, symbol_name[,symbol_name[,symbol_name[...]]]   Example:< $ SET SYMBOL D_FLOAT MY_D_FLOAT1,MY_D_FLOAT2,MY_D_FLOAT3,...  F ...and let DCL detect the datatype of the field at "run"-time. NumericF literals and symbol assign results would default to LONG if the symbol6 was not "declared" by one of the mechanisms suggested.  G Neither of these would break any existing code using default DCL verbs.    My $0.02...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:28:05 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 6 Message-ID: <3FE907C5.E8245EC2@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Guy Peleg wrote: >  > I like the accumulator idea. > J > If one argument is provided perform the operation using the value in the( > accumulator, if two arguments providedC > perform the operation using both values ignoring the accumulator.   5 So would this function like the existing F$CONTEXT()?    $ DUMMY = F$CONTEXT( ... )  6 $ DUMMY = F$MATH("INIT") sets the accumulator to zero.F $ DUMMY = F$MATH("ADD","4.55") adds 4.55 to the accumulated value (now 4.55) G $ DUMMY = F$MATH("MUL","15.7") multiplies the accumulated value by 15.7 H $ DUMMY = F$MATH("MUL","15.7","3") multiplies 15.7 by 3 and replaces the value in the%                          accumulator.   * ...to cut-and-paste from Alan's message...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:38:27 GMT ( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>/ Subject: Re: Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2? A Message-ID: <TQ0Gb.18426$P%1.16959991@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>    Bob,  L 7.1-2 is not supported by OpenVMS Engineering. So if you find a new bug, theK best you can hope for is a workaround.  I work in the CSC and I have in the L past 18 months had to tell to different customers that we couldn't help themK till they get to a supported version.  We at the CSC do our best with "best 6 effort" and truly new bugs for OpenVMS 7.1-2 are rare.  / I would not bet my business on such a platform.   J If trapped by 3rd party vendors or lack of project dollars to upgrade, I'dK warn my management and lock down the environment.  Theoretically if nothing E changes then you shouldn't run into new bugs.  However changes can be H sneaky.  A file expansion here, the need for a new disk drive there, one( more user, a different type of report...   Todd  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 6 news:d7791aa1.0312231011.3e1b9ac@posting.google.com...> > anyone with lengthy 7.1-2 use have any issues with anything, > especially shadowing?    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 15:33:38 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2? = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312231533.250248da@posting.google.com>   q "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:<TQ0Gb.18426$P%1.16959991@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>...  > Bob, > N > 7.1-2 is not supported by OpenVMS Engineering. So if you find a new bug, theM > best you can hope for is a workaround.  I work in the CSC and I have in the N > past 18 months had to tell to different customers that we couldn't help themM > till they get to a supported version.  We at the CSC do our best with "best 8 > effort" and truly new bugs for OpenVMS 7.1-2 are rare. > 1 > I would not bet my business on such a platform.  > L > If trapped by 3rd party vendors or lack of project dollars to upgrade, I'dM > warn my management and lock down the environment.  Theoretically if nothing G > changes then you shouldn't run into new bugs.  However changes can be J > sneaky.  A file expansion here, the need for a new disk drive there, one* > more user, a different type of report... >  > Todd > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 8 > news:d7791aa1.0312231011.3e1b9ac@posting.google.com...@ > > anyone with lengthy 7.1-2 use have any issues with anything, > > especially shadowing?   @ I know all that ... we have support for 7.1-1H2 now but have hadB no issues ever ... I assume that means 7.1-2 is on the same level!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:15:56 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) / Subject: Re: Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2? - Message-ID: <4V3EUPN$lsjQ@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   * bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:> > anyone with lengthy 7.1-2 use have any issues with anything, > especially shadowing?   O If you want the latest shadowing fixes, you must run a version of OpenVMS Alpha M no older than V7.2-2.  Any bug that is found on a newer version (than V7.2-2) I will not be backported to any version earlier than V7.2-2; said bug fixes ' are automatically backported to V7.2-2.    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:49:49 -0500   From: "smitty" <andrew@sp32.com># Subject: KZPSA and alphastation 200 / Message-ID: <vuhaj6s3p7tk94@corp.supernews.com>   K I am attempting to install a differential scsi card in an alphastation 200. G The card is A09-KZPSAPS.  It is plugged into a PCI slot (shorter, white  slots).   J When powering up the alpha, a message states: "can't initialize kzpsa bus"  ' After booting VMS, i get the following:    sysman io autoconfig/log0 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node IAGO4 %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix SYS$5 %IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix DECW$D> %IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKA0> %IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKB0I %IOGEN-E-LOADERR, error configuring device PKB0, driver SYS$PKSDRIVER.EXE2 -SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort SYSMAN> exit  H help/message on system-f-abort proved not terribly helpful.  Does anyoneL know if the above card works with an alphastation?  Or, does anyone know how to troubleshoot this?a   andrew Software Partners, Inc.L andrew@sp32.comi www.softwarepartners.com 978-887-6409   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:16:18 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)g' Subject: Re: KZPSA and alphastation 200a( Message-ID: <bsapd2$s3u$1@pcls4.std.com>  F I would say it's a bad card (hardware problem).  Where did you get it?@ Neither the console nor VMS complain like that if it's a simple 0 configuration problem (unterminated or whatever)   -- b -Mike.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:37:37 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>a' Subject: Re: KZPSA and alphastation 200G0 Message-ID: <IdGdndYSPbefl3Si4p2dnA@comcast.com>  H Well,  the current version of the KZPSA firmware is A11 or A12 (I'm not ! where I can check it)..  Upgrade!n  E Next, the version of VMS could be significant.  Also the SCSI and/or  H Fiber SCSI patches applied might be relevant.  How about the version of % the SRM Console? (V7.0-9 is current.)   I I don't see why it shouldn't work in an Alphastation 200 but it would be  H helpful to know that DEC said, somewhere/anywhere that it was supported.  
 smitty wrote:t  L >I am attempting to install a differential scsi card in an alphastation 200.H >The card is A09-KZPSAPS.  It is plugged into a PCI slot (shorter, white >slots). > K >When powering up the alpha, a message states: "can't initialize kzpsa bus": >e( >After booting VMS, i get the following: >i >sysman io autoconfig/logO1 >%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node IAGOe5 >%IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix SYS$h6 >%IOGEN-I-PREFIX, searching for ICBM with prefix DECW$? >%IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKA0 ? >%IOGEN-I-SCSIPOLL, scanning for devices through SCSI port PKB0 J >%IOGEN-E-LOADERR, error configuring device PKB0, driver SYS$PKSDRIVER.EXE >-SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort-
 >SYSMAN> exit- > I >help/message on system-f-abort proved not terribly helpful.  Does anyone0M >know if the above card works with an alphastation?  Or, does anyone know how6 >to troubleshoot this? >  >andrewd >Software Partners, Inc. >andrew@sp32.com >www.softwarepartners.come
 >978-887-6409n >  >o >  . >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:06:57 GMT./ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)T- Subject: Re: Looking for a HSG80 driver Guru.r- Message-ID: <Egbr0DucjgGL@cuebid.zko.dec.com>-  , bill.nadzam@onstor.com (Bill Nadzam) writes:D > Hello to the group, and I hope there is a kind sole out there with( > insight into the working of the HSG80.- 	As others have said, welcome to comp.os.vms!   E > Need the Rosetta Stone, AKA: inside information on the SCSI commandeE > required by a system driver to switch a device from Port to Port. IoG > located a small statement in a LINUX users group that suggests a SCSIo! > Start command is all it takes. e 	So far, so good.   & > When I run a SCSI command, like readG > capacity, down the NON-Preferred path of an HSG80 at Firmware 8.71F IP) > get a device not ready sense response. g* 	What do you mean by "run a SCSI command"?  ! > This would seem to suggest thattG > a start command is needed. So it agrees with the LINUX groups info. IdB > was just wondering if there is anyone out there that has written> > Multipath Failover drivers for the COMPAQ HSG80 controller.   G 	Multipath (mostly) resides in sys$loadable_images:multipath[_mon].exe. H multipath_mon gets loaded if SYSTEM_CHECK is on; otherwise multipath.exeE is loaded.  There are other parts of OpenVMS that have some multipathtH knowledge (shadowing, MSCP, [DK/MK/GK]DRIVER, etc . . .), but all of the* path switching logic is in multipath.exe.    > And ifG > there are any known problems that I should prepare for. Also does thep@ > HSG80 start command allow for status after the switch over has; > completed, or if the driver needs to poll for completion.t  : 	As others have asked, can you tell us what you are tryingG to do, and on what version of OpenVMS Alpha you're attempting to do it?f  F If you are attempting to write software for a foreign operating systemE that will manage multiple paths to an HSG80 controller pair, you havet0 a rather long and interesting road ahead of you!  @ You will find "surprising" behaviour under heavy I/O load, among
 other things.i   --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:34:08 -0600p. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>, Subject: Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS: Message-ID: <3fe88aaa$0$1096$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>   Here's a simple question.t   Say I have a variable in C:    char *filename;l  ) On a unix system, the file may be "c.txt"t  . On a VMS system, the filename may be "C.TXT;1"  > I want to convert the VMS file name to look like the unix one.  I In other words, lowercase it, and drop the semi-colon and version number.-  I I've been tweaking, and haven't come up with anything simple, and I know   there's a simple method.     Thanks in advance,   Lyndon   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:11:08 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>, Subject: Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMST Message-ID: <craigberry-EB5C99.14110823122003@dsl081-159-101.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net>  : In article <3fe88aaa$0$1096$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>,0  Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote:   > Here's a simple question.. >  > Say I have a variable in C:u >  > char *filename;   D Please be aware that this declaration allocates no storage for your  string, only a pointer to it.  o  + > On a unix system, the file may be "c.txt"g > 0 > On a VMS system, the filename may be "C.TXT;1" > @ > I want to convert the VMS file name to look like the unix one. > K > In other words, lowercase it, and drop the semi-colon and version number.k  G The CRTL usually downcases for you if it is the origin of the filename YE string, though that depends in recent versions on the setting of the sE feature logical DECC$EFS_CASE_PRESERVE.  If the name string does not iG come from the CRTL, then the question arises, where did it come from?  oG If it is the result of a SYS$PARSE call, then the length fields of the 2C FAB and/or the pointers to the individual members of the file spec oD contained in the FAB allow you to assemble any combination of those 7 pieces, including the name part and the extension part.t  H For downcasing, consult your documentation for the _tolower macro.  For D manipulating the filename string directly (if you can guarantee its H contents won't surprise you), see the string handling functions such as  strchr, strbrk, etc.  ! The C RTL manual is available at:   1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/5763P.htmlo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:56:07 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender), Subject: Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS; Message-ID: <3fe8b9f7.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>m  / Lyndon Bartels (lbartels@pressenter.com) wrote:f > Say I have a variable in C:? >  > char *filename;i >a+ > On a unix system, the file may be "c.txt"s > 0 > On a VMS system, the filename may be "C.TXT;1" >t@ > I want to convert the VMS file name to look like the unix one. >nK > In other words, lowercase it, and drop the semi-colon and version number.o   #include <ctype.h> #include <string.h>    char *filename = "C.TXT;1",-      *ver, *p;  H if (ver = strrchr(filename,';')) *ver = '\0'; /* strip version number */: for (*p = filename+strlen(filename)-1; p >= filename; --p)     *p = tolower(*p);-   cu,e   Martin -- oF                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de4F  Redmondem delendam esse. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:04:11 -0600n@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Next Week6 Message-ID: <3FE9022B.BC2C2559@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Sue Skonetski wrote: > H > Just a reminder that the HP offices in the US will be closed next week> > (there will still be staff to take care of customer issues). > 7 > I would also like to take this time to say thank you.o > G > Thank you for being an Ambassador, Customer, Partner, Consultant, and  > fans of VMS.G > Thank you for your support of OpenVMS in the past and in the present. 5 > Thank your support and enthusiasm as we go forward.JF > Thank you for your help in making VMS the amazing product that it is > and will continue to be.; > Thank you for all the care and concern you have shown me.. > And mostly4 > Thank you for giving me the best job in the world. >  > Warm Regards and a big hug,i > Suet   Many of us love YOU, too, Sue!  ) Merry Christmas and a Wonderful New Year!b   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsf http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 03:45:40 GMT  From: notValid@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OpenVMS org8 Message-ID: <6p2iuv4lis4pcb2008budp4155hpadrv6n@4ax.com>  9 I am in the Initial Phases of a VMS to OPENVMS migration.  Is "vms" dead? Would you call 99% uptime dead?ND When was the last time you had to reboot a vax (alpha, whatever) ???   on the negative side,A  5 i need to find out why a copy lib cant be external...d# 01  FNCI-FUNCTION-INFO IS EXTERNAL.v" .................................^D %COBOL-E-EXTERN, EXTERNAL clause ignored, valid only for named 01 or 77 items ...   actually, its  01 fnci---G"                       05 fnci-----  < is that the problem? 01 externals can't have lower elements?  8 reply  tutor_nospam@cfl.rr.com  and remove the nospam...    % On 16 Dec 2003 14:46:49 -0800, wrote:/  ~ >"Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<brndto$5fgp1$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>... >> Tom Linden wrote:@ >> > I do not believe it is all that important to advertise VMS, >>  per se.d >> >...c >>  A >> Just last week I received an e-mail from a company asking if I A >> could help migrate their VMS/Alpha system to a PC. So I phonedg >> back to get some details; >> d >> Why migrate?n >> p< >> "VMS is dead, Compaq killed it last year, didn't you know	 >> that!"  >> nA >> Yet when Chris Brown was here for a visit a few weeks back, herA >> looked me straight in the eye when he said that HP does not do": >> product marketing so we will never see VMS advertising.? >> SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THESE SMALL SITES THATs= >> VMS IS STILL ALIVE AND KICKING! (sorry, I feel better now)m >t/ >It's okay. I can handle UPPERCASE LETTERS! :-)X >A >Alan E. Feldman   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:28:59 -0500y* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS org) Message-ID: <3FE915FA.5762C78B@istop.com>    notValid@yahoo.com wrote:y > ; > I am in the Initial Phases of a VMS to OPENVMS migration.E > Is "vms" dead?  F There is no need to migrate from VMS to openVMS. openVMS is just a badK marketing name used internally by the owner of VMS and hy employees of that ! company who are forced to use it.t  M The "open" in today's context is not applicable since VMS source listings arelK not freely available, and that is the current definition of "open". (Linux,. open-motif, etc etc).i  M VMS is still being developped and supported, so by that definition, it is not L "dead".  But VMS is not marketed, not getting much public exposure,  and oneN HP official has admitted that HP had set expectations that their actions wouldN reduced in reduction in VMS business. By that definition, VMS is being allowed to die.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:56:12 GMT " From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net>  Subject: Please ignore this test, Message-ID: <M%8Gb.24200$6b2.21437@edtnps84>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:47:36 -0500t5 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com>d4 Subject: Re: Problem with NFS after upgrade to 7.3-2/ Message-ID: <vui6jk2pa81936@corp.supernews.com>i  F Can you give us more specifics on the /INCLUDE line, and also the file0 specifications used in the #includes?  Examples?  L Have you tried playing with case sensitivity?  Are any logical names used inL the file specs?  If so, can you remove the logicals and does that help?  CanG you get any includes to be found, or, is it all of them that can not ber found?   What did you upgrade from?  : Can you give examples of the f$search success and failure?   Regards,  
 Brad McCuskeru OpenVMS Engineeringt Hewlett-Packard Company> Nashua, NH USA      G "Mark Itzcovitz" <mark.itzcovitz@nospam.vistacomp.com> wrote in message 8 news:3fe87c34$0$13352$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net...H > Thanks, I have done that. It's nice to know that it's a known problem. > = > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in messagee/ > news:Xs_Fb.11214$yN4.7061@news.cpqcorp.net...a > > Hi Mark, > >nL > > I have seen several internal reports about this problem. The TCPIP folks > > still haven't respondedeI > > probably due to the holiday vacation. I suggest filing a service callh with > > your loca support center.  > >N > > GuysK > > "Mark Itzcovitz" <mark.itzcovitz@nospam.vistacomp.com> wrote in message ; > > news:3fe73879$0$9388$ed9e5944@reading.news.pipex.net...n	 > > > Hi,u > > >RJ > > > I've just upgraded a development box to OpenVMS 7.3-2 (and HP TCP/IPI > > > Services 5.4) and now my C compiles fail to find header files. Botha thes > .cL > > > source and the header files are accessed through NFS Client on the VMS > boxoI > > > to Microsoft Services for Unix NFS server on a Windows 2000 box. Ine > > general,I > > > there is no problem accessing the header files - I can do directoryy= > > > listings, type them out and copy them with no problems.S > > > K > > > The location of the header files is specified with a /INCLUDE flag on  > thecK > > > compile command. If, instead, I hardcode it into the source, it worksa OK3 > > > (but I can't leave it like that permanently).b > > >*L > > > A DCL f$search() with the full file specification also fails. If I put a*C > > > wild card in any part of the file specification, it succeeds.a > > >   > > > Anybody have any insights? > > >r
 > > > Thanks,  > > >"
 > > > Mark > > >s > > >o > >e > >r >w >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:52:49 -0000i% From: "Keyser Soze" <Verbal@Kint.com>n4 Subject: Re: Read this and weap, the twat's arrived!: Message-ID: <a15850c8a18b3230203fa19fd088ad2c@$quare.Mile>  0 CurrentUser <replyto_default@hotmail.com> wrote:K >> I knew that.  Just spotted it after sending a reply and did not think it* >> worth the trouble, fuckwad.  6 Thank fuck for that you cunt, this place was beginning7 to get a bit boring until you, you fucktard, turned up.i  5 So, how long do you intend to stick around in in thisu- froup and display your full laming potential?0   Insert lame here::* [                                        ]   -- -
 Some Big Cunt    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:40:34 -0600e1 From: "CurrentUser" <replyto_default@hotmail.com>o4 Subject: Re: Read this and weap, the twat's arrived!9 Message-ID: <kg5Gb.4525$5M.92193@dfw-read.news.verio.net>   I I was replying to the jerk who decided the subject line should read "ReadiE this and weep, twats!".  If that's not deserving of my reply then toouG freakin bad.  I'm far from a lamer but you apparently aren't far from a: loser.  MYOFB.  0 "Keyser Soze" <Verbal@Kint.com> wrote in message4 news:a15850c8a18b3230203fa19fd088ad2c@$quare.Mile...2 > CurrentUser <replyto_default@hotmail.com> wrote:J > >> I knew that.  Just spotted it after sending a reply and did not think it  > >> worth the trouble, fuckwad. >y8 > Thank fuck for that you cunt, this place was beginning9 > to get a bit boring until you, you fucktard, turned up.o >l7 > So, how long do you intend to stick around in in thiso/ > froup and display your full laming potential?b >o > Insert lame here: , > [                                        ] >c > -- o > Some Big Cuntn >h >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:55:06 -0000 % From: "Keyser Soze" <Verbal@Kint.com>m4 Subject: Re: Read this and weap, the twat's arrived!: Message-ID: <b7362325fb8b76b78f09be5bdf860414@$quare.Mile>  0 CurrentUser <replyto_default@hotmail.com> wrote:4 >>> "Keyser Soze" <Verbal@Kint.com> wrote in message7 >> news:a15850c8a18b3230203fa19fd088ad2c@$quare.Mile...n4 >>> CurrentUser <replyto_default@hotmail.com> wrote:N >>>>> I knew that.  Just spotted it after sending a reply and did not think it! >>>>> worth the trouble, fuckwad.n >>>@: >>> Thank fuck for that you cunt, this place was beginning; >>> to get a bit boring until you, you fucktard, turned up.i >>>i9 >>> So, how long do you intend to stick around in in thiso1 >>> froup and display your full laming potential?G >>>A >>> Insert lame here:* >>>-O >> [  I was replying to the jerk who decided the subject line should read "ReadnH >> this and weep, twats!".  If that's not deserving of my reply then tooJ >> freakin bad.  I'm far from a lamer but you apparently aren't far from a >> loser.  MYOFB. ]]  	 IKWYABWAIv   -- t
 Some Big Cunti   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:56:09 -0600o1 From: "CurrentUser" <replyto_default@hotmail.com>o' Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats!b9 Message-ID: <aS2Gb.4398$5M.91947@dfw-read.news.verio.net>   ! LOSERS is spelled thusly, genius.p  ) "rotor" <rotor@free.net> wrote in message[, news:3fd3e3ff.7213953@news.btinternet.com...3 > On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 02:30:00 +0100, Vicious Vogon  > <vogon@operamail.com> wrote: >d > >The Genius wrote: > >> > >> > >> Patrick van Loon wrote: > >> > >>> Just one question. > >>>u& > >>> What OS are you running at home? > >>>i > >>> : > >>> "The Genius" <heavybrain@bigIQ.com> wrote in message& > >>> news:3F7B66B4.50404@bigIQ.com... > >>>hD > >>>> I,ve been lurking in both your usenet groups for a while now, laughingJ > >>>> at the trolls from both sides, having a go at each others OS, and IL > >>>> can't help feeeling that the lot of you are complete loosers.  Let me! > >>>> break it down as follows:-e > >>>> > >>>> Linucks Lusers: > >>>>J > >>>> Linfux (or any unix in general) is the biggest piece of shit going. it'sK > >>>> had its day in the seventies, and just doesn't know when its time iss up..E > >>>>  The man pages were written by geeks for geeks, and is totally6L > >>>> unintuitive, and is about as much help as turd that wont flush.  OnlyI > >>>> complete morons, with very long hair and smelly beards (ie richarde& > >>>> stallman) uses unix these days. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Windozers:p > >>>>H > >>>> What a completly fucked up OS that is.   Based upon a superior OS (VMS),K > >>>> but bastardised into a complete piece of shit, with so many securitymE > >>>> holes, its a wonder the whole planet is not sueing the butt ofbL > >>>> Microshite.  Can someone answer a simple question?  Why the fuck doesI > >>>> windoze servers require a GUI to work.  It doesn't need it!!!  Its  justG > >>>> a file, print and possiblly a database server.  No GUI required!lJ > >>>> Everything can be done from the command line.  Does microshite know that0 > >>>> is products will be used to total morons? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>H > >>>> Let me tell you about a totally superior OS, VMS.  VMS is without doubt,F > >>>> the most intuative, helpful OS that has ever existed.  The help systemI > >>>> is the best ever, and will tell you exactly what you want to know,i andiK > >>>> how to execute a command properly.  VMS is by far the most stable OSoK > >>>> going, requiring no periodical pathes, only an upgrade (if you want),J > >>>> every 2 or 3 years.  It doesn't get viruses of any sort whatsoever, and:K > >>>> does not suffer from denial of service attacks that both Linucks (ori anyiK > >>>> usix) and Winshite does.  In fact it is superior to all OSs in everys > >>>> way.d > >>>>G > >>>> I will continue to lurk in your groups for a laugh, but remember. this:- > >>>>J > >>>> Linucks is for lusers, and makes you stupid.  Windoze if for people whoh  > >>>> are stupid to begin with. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The Genius..... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>l > >>>r > >>>w > >>>e> > >>>  Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services@ > >>> ----------------------------------------------------------= > >>>     ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY **eA > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- s+ > >>>                 http://www.usenet.comt > >> > >>C > >> Erm, depends on what I feel like on any particular day.  I runr	 Slackware K > >> 9, Windows XP, OpenBSD.  I just swap the disks out  when I feel like acF > >> change.  This week its Windows 2003, thanks to a freebie timebomb, > >> version I get from a microsoft seminar. > >> > >>- > >> The Genius (or split personality.com)...  > >>K > >> By the way, my post(s) last night was done under the influance of manye, > >> pints of beer with the lads after work. > >> > >> > >> > >KD > >So learn this then: no posting to ngs while consuming alchohol ;) > >y > >-- . > >Still here? /usr/bin/winloosers > /dev/null > > E > Cant Be Much Good If You Need A Large Fuckwitty Helpfile Like That! @ > Probabally Need The Asistance Coz Of All That Piss U Drank Eh?( >  Windows Xp And Billy Gates Forever !! >*0 > Rotor:- I Often Get Mistaken For Keanu Reeves. >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:23:42 +0000 (UTC)i8 From: "Dr Halonfire$" <sharron_field@hotmail.nospam.com>' Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats!_0 Message-ID: <bsaf9e$d9n$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  4 In news:aS2Gb.4398$5M.91947@dfw-read.news.verio.net,L CurrentUser <replyto_default@hotmail.com> gushed forth the following drivel. :-$ >> LOSERS is spelled thusly, genius.    # And weep is spelled thusly, dimbat.e   -- : My main website is atT http://tinyurl.com/t7tgf$ More images; more pages; more music;" more information + XP help - more. PLUS The ultimate blog @! http://thebrainspot.blogspot.com/a         ---a& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release Date: 20/12/2003    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:57:03 GMT@% From: "Diogenes" <diogenes@sinope.gr>e' Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats!s@ Message-ID: <f88c9e14fff9c77c89c5c868c6e0fab4@news.teranews.com>   CurrentUser wrote:# > LOSERS is spelled thusly, genius.p >t  
 <shakes head>r  K Spell laming is vulgar, but it /IS/ 'luser'.  It's an accepted abbreviationNB for l(inux) user (and before you reply with it; NO, linux is never
 capitalized)./   HTH    -- t Diogenes   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:40:27 -0600r1 From: "CurrentUser" <replyto_default@hotmail.com>/' Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats!t9 Message-ID: <Iv3Gb.4475$5M.92056@dfw-read.news.verio.net>o  H I knew that.  Just spotted it after sending a reply and did not think it worth the trouble, fuckwad.*C "Dr Halonfire$" <sharron_field@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in messagee* news:bsaf9e$d9n$1@sparta.btinternet.com...6 > In news:aS2Gb.4398$5M.91947@dfw-read.news.verio.net,F > CurrentUser <replyto_default@hotmail.com> gushed forth the following drivel.c > :-& > >> LOSERS is spelled thusly, genius. >  >2% > And weep is spelled thusly, dimbat.1 >0 > -- 0 > My main website is at  > http://tinyurl.com/t7tgs& > More images; more pages; more music;$ > more information + XP help - more. > PLUS The ultimate blog @# > http://thebrainspot.blogspot.com/v >o >* >t >o > ---s( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release Date: 20/12/2003s >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:58:25 -0600r( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>' Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats!i0 Message-ID: <00A2AD06.D3AA3B4F.11@tachysoft.com>  & >From: "Diogenes" <diogenes@sinope.gr>R >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.windows-xp,alt.os.windows-xp,comp.os.vms( >Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats! >Organization: TRVTH >a >CurrentUser wrote: $ >> LOSERS is spelled thusly, genius. >> >h ><shakes head> >oL >Spell laming is vulgar, but it /IS/ 'luser'.  It's an accepted abbreviationC >for l(inux) user (and before you reply with it; NO, linux is neveri >capitalized). >w  7 Actually, I think the comment was in reference to this.R  ' >   the lot of you are complete loosers-      N I'm just amazed that for once we had a useless flame post that doesn't mention: JF Mezei.  How in the hell did *that* happen?  :-) :-) :-)   Waynet
 [End of file]i  O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O ===============================================================================nH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:53:08 -0000t% From: "Keyser Soze" <Verbal@Kint.com>h' Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats! : Message-ID: <b19d329353c19865be4497f05ba256ef@$quare.Mile>  7 Dr Halonfire$ <sharron_field@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:d7 >> In news:aS2Gb.4398$5M.91947@dfw-read.news.verio.net, O >> CurrentUser <replyto_default@hotmail.com> gushed forth the following drivel.s >> :- & >>>> LOSERS is spelled thusly, genius. >> >>& >> And weep is spelled thusly, dimbat.   LOLe  . <Aside: Are you all sorted now with your ISP?>   -- e
 Some Big Cuntn   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:31:01 GMT % From: Eugene <nospam@columbus.rr.com>.' Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats!F7 Message-ID: <975Gb.48634$031.26806@fe3.columbus.rr.com>Y   CurrentUser wrote:  # > LOSERS is spelled thusly, genius.m > + > "rotor" <rotor@free.net> wrote in messageL. > news:3fd3e3ff.7213953@news.btinternet.com...4 >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 02:30:00 +0100, Vicious Vogon >> <vogon@operamail.com> wrote:r >> >> >The Genius wrote:G >> >>  >> >>  >> >> Patrick van Loon wrote:e >> >>i >> >>> Just one question.f >> >>>' >> >>> What OS are you running at home?t >> >>> >> >>>; >> >>> "The Genius" <heavybrain@bigIQ.com> wrote in messaget' >> >>> news:3F7B66B4.50404@bigIQ.com...a >> >>>E >> >>>> I,ve been lurking in both your usenet groups for a while now,-
 > laughingK >> >>>> at the trolls from both sides, having a go at each others OS, and IoJ >> >>>> can't help feeeling that the lot of you are complete loosers.  Let% >> >>>> me break it down as follows:-2 >> >>>>A >> >>>> Linucks Lusers:e >> >>>> K >> >>>> Linfux (or any unix in general) is the biggest piece of shit going.  > it'sL >> >>>> had its day in the seventies, and just doesn't know when its time is > up. F >> >>>>  The man pages were written by geeks for geeks, and is totallyH >> >>>> unintuitive, and is about as much help as turd that wont flush. G >> >>>> Only complete morons, with very long hair and smelly beards (ie"/ >> >>>> richard stallman) uses unix these days.n >> >>>>  >> >>>>  >> >>>> Windozers: >> >>>>lI >> >>>> What a completly fucked up OS that is.   Based upon a superior OSi > (VMS),L >> >>>> but bastardised into a complete piece of shit, with so many securityF >> >>>> holes, its a wonder the whole planet is not sueing the butt ofH >> >>>> Microshite.  Can someone answer a simple question?  Why the fuck >> >>>> doesJ >> >>>> windoze servers require a GUI to work.  It doesn't need it!!!  Its > justH >> >>>> a file, print and possiblly a database server.  No GUI required!K >> >>>> Everything can be done from the command line.  Does microshite know9 > that1 >> >>>> is products will be used to total morons?o >> >>>>p >> >>>>i >> >>>>SI >> >>>> Let me tell you about a totally superior OS, VMS.  VMS is withoutk > doubt,G >> >>>> the most intuative, helpful OS that has ever existed.  The helph > systemJ >> >>>> is the best ever, and will tell you exactly what you want to know, > andtL >> >>>> how to execute a command properly.  VMS is by far the most stable OSL >> >>>> going, requiring no periodical pathes, only an upgrade (if you want)K >> >>>> every 2 or 3 years.  It doesn't get viruses of any sort whatsoever,e > andeL >> >>>> does not suffer from denial of service attacks that both Linucks (or > anyrL >> >>>> usix) and Winshite does.  In fact it is superior to all OSs in every >> >>>> way. >> >>>>,H >> >>>> I will continue to lurk in your groups for a laugh, but remember > this:- >> >>>>gK >> >>>> Linucks is for lusers, and makes you stupid.  Windoze if for peopleg > who-! >> >>>> are stupid to begin with., >> >>>>i >> >>>>o >> >>>>  >> >>>> The Genius.....- >> >>>>a >> >>>>c >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>? >> >>>  Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup ServiceslA >> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------o> >> >>>     ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY **A >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- , >> >>>                 http://www.usenet.com >> >>r >> >> D >> >> Erm, depends on what I feel like on any particular day.  I run > Slackware L >> >> 9, Windows XP, OpenBSD.  I just swap the disks out  when I feel like aG >> >> change.  This week its Windows 2003, thanks to a freebie timebombt- >> >> version I get from a microsoft seminar.r >> >>  >> >>r. >> >> The Genius (or split personality.com)... >> >>nL >> >> By the way, my post(s) last night was done under the influance of many- >> >> pints of beer with the lads after work.e >> >>l >> >>n >> >>v >> >E >> >So learn this then: no posting to ngs while consuming alchohol ;)e >> > >> >--/ >> >Still here? /usr/bin/winloosers > /dev/nulle >> >F >> Cant Be Much Good If You Need A Large Fuckwitty Helpfile Like That!A >> Probabally Need The Asistance Coz Of All That Piss U Drank Eh?w) >>  Windows Xp And Billy Gates Forever !!1 >>1 >> Rotor:- I Often Get Mistaken For Keanu Reeves.  >>    H VMS??  Commodore basic was the best OS ever.   LOAD"*",8 is the easiest, most intuitive GUI ever. :)         ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 03:28:03 +1300s) From: Jeremy Nimmo <jeremyn@softhome.net>-' Subject: Re: Read this and weap, twats! 4 Message-ID: <kY5Gb.14272$ws.1429263@news02.tsnz.net>   Diogenes wrote:-   > CurrentUser wrote:$ >> LOSERS is spelled thusly, genius. >> >  > <shakes head>w > @ > Spell laming is vulgar, but it /IS/ 'luser'.  It's an acceptedK > abbreviation for l(inux) user (and before you reply with it; NO, linux iss > never capitalized).t >  > HTHi  L Or as an abbreviation for stupid users who mess everything up really, really badly. Go read some BOFH.n   -- a So you're back... about time...h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 03:49:25 GMT- From: notValid@yahoo.com9 Subject: Re: Reading VMS Documentation without DECWindows 8 Message-ID: <d43iuvsh7gi73m4tum6d8kssg7f6arogef@4ax.com>  ! would it help to have the manual?r  ) i have copies (zip versions of pdf or ps)  of dcl and cobol  
 just ask, eh?o   jerrolds tutor@nospam dot cfl.rr.comi( On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:45:25 GMT, wrote:  = >I'm trying to figure out how to read the OpenVMS VAX On-lineI> >Documentation library without using the DECWindows interface.; >I don't have a monitor on my vaxstation, just the console.n' >Any help would be greatly appreciated.  >o	 >- Jim L.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:16:02 -0600g/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>c/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:L3 Message-ID: <3FE89472.D8E1FA32@applied-synergy.com>N  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > I > I have a VT320 connected by an MMJ cable to a VAXstation 4000/60.  When2E > in an editor, the terminal output is scrambled, like there had beentG > dropouts, line noise etc.  (The cable is quite short.)  This persistswG > even after SET TERM/INQ etc.  If I then SET HOST/LAT or TELNET to the J > same machine or another one (in the cluster or outside it), the terminal
 > works fine.  > G > I also have a VT320 as OPA0: on a VAX 4000-100A, i.e. essentially theC5 > exact same setup.  I don't have the problems there.n > 5 > What could be the problem and how can it be solved?   H This sounds like a flow control problem.  Check the various SET TERMINALE SYNC flags (hostsync, TTsync, etc.) for the port.  Make sure that theh5 terminal is generating XON/XOFF flow control signals.e  
 Good luck!  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------3$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com 0   Fax: 817-237-3074n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:12:01 -0600i@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:.5 Message-ID: <3FE90401.471DEF6@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>g   Chris Scheers wrote: > 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:. > > K > > I have a VT320 connected by an MMJ cable to a VAXstation 4000/60.  WheneG > > in an editor, the terminal output is scrambled, like there had been I > > dropouts, line noise etc.  (The cable is quite short.)  This persistsnI > > even after SET TERM/INQ etc.  If I then SET HOST/LAT or TELNET to thetL > > same machine or another one (in the cluster or outside it), the terminal > > works fine.e > >aI > > I also have a VT320 as OPA0: on a VAX 4000-100A, i.e. essentially then7 > > exact same setup.  I don't have the problems there.G > >%7 > > What could be the problem and how can it be solved?O > J > This sounds like a flow control problem.  Check the various SET TERMINALG > SYNC flags (hostsync, TTsync, etc.) for the port.  Make sure that thev7 > terminal is generating XON/XOFF flow control signals.n  H Check grounding as someone suggested, check flow control as someone elseE suggested, and also check for dirty contacts on the cable ends and ineC the jacks. Make sure all outlets are wired correctly. Make sure theiC computer and the terminal see the same potential on the ground line < (isolated ground?), and make sure that potential is in spec.  C If you have an AM radio, tune between stations and see what kind of-F noise is being egenerated around your computer gear when it is poweredE down. Try a shielded data cable and make sure the shield is grounded.   ) There's probably other things to check...-   -- l David J. Dachtera( dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 12:53:13 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)S1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSc< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312231253.115e78e@posting.google.com>  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FE2B386.F0CE5341@istop.com>...o > Keith Parris wrote:SD > > According to IDC data, the trend for OpenVMS servers is upward,  > P > Since HP and Compaq refused to release VMS related figures. how could IDC draw > any conclusions ?m  C Some numbers have been made public at various times.  Analysts talkeA with HP in general and with OpenVMS management in particular, andgC often get more-detailed information than is made public.  And sincedB IDC tracks OpenVMS server revenues, they obviously get the numbersA from someplace, and since it is in HP's interest to help them gets@ accurate numbers, HP undoubtedly helps by providing information.  O > Considering that one HP person recently said that the VMS attrition was lower X > than what HP had been expecting, I find it odd that IDC would say that VMS is growing.  > No, the HP spokesperson said Alphaserver revenues for the yearF (including servers running both Tru64 and OpenVMS) had only dropped by1 5%.  So these two statements are not in conflict.e   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 13:21:55 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSu< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312231321.4ad4438@posting.google.com>  b Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<3FE40E03.1A7605AC@sture.homeip.net>..." > Wander around any bulletin boardH > or discussion group on the 'net and you will find people who have fondF > (or not so fond) memories of "VAX/VMS", but assume that it no longer	 > exists.o  F This is an area where we can all help (at least in the "fond memories"C case).  Write a reply letting them know VMS lives on.  If you don'teD want to respond yourself, send me a note and I'll by happy to do it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:00:18 -0600n@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS;6 Message-ID: <3FE90142.3EBFB4E3@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  / Hhmmm... Nice job of side-stepping the issues. r  F This being Christmas, I'm feeling generous. Let's try one more time...   Rob Young wrote: > { > In article <3FE3AD58.85846FDD@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:, > > Rob Young wrote: > >>~ > >> In article <3FE2799F.C08593E8@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > >> > Rob Young wrote:0 > >> >> [snip]C > >> >>         To claim a product is "dead" without even a cursory.M > >> >>         investigation is either 1) , 2) - take your pick.  To suggestlM > >> >>         it is borne out of lack of advertising is a pitiful argument.a > >> >O > >> > ...and before anyone goes quoting any more IDC numbers to this group, gotK > >> > back to the days before GQ Bob and compare todays VMS numbers to theeB > >> > numbers from back then. Should be a major attention-getter. > >> > > >>H > >>         Numbers?  You want numbers across quarters?  I got numbers: > >>M > >>                                                 All numbers in thousandsn > >>F > >> PERIOD ENDING                   30-Jun-03               30-Jun-01 > >f= > > O.k. Now, give us the numbers I suggested for comparison:r > >oF > >  PERIOD ENDING                   30-Jun-03               30-Jun-93  	 Got that?f  1 > >>         At least VMS is increasing revenues.h > >dL > > Compared to what, recent history? How 'bout comparing the present (whereI > > VMS is) to the past (what VMS needs to re-attain so it can resume itsi > > progress forward)?   No comment, eh?s  N > >> > Perhaps if you burst your own bubble, we won't have to do it for you to  > >> > snap you back to reality. > >>I > >>         Oh come on - a real tangible point with facts and figures tot! > >>         back it up, got any?t > > L > > Don't take my word (like I keep saying, but nobody can: prove me wrong)." > > Get your own fact and figures: > >-K > > Look at the scant volume of Alpha gear on the web sites can catalogs ofdL > > the major 3rd party and after market resellers that survive. This should > > get you started: > >2 > > http://www.newman.com/ > > http://www.glcomp.com/ > > http://www.island.com/ > + >         You forgot quite a few resellers.* > ' >                 www.geminidigital.comm$ >                 www.cpuoptions.com' >                 www.global-itcorp.coma# >                 www.tcdigital.como > M >         etc.  Some more noteworthy than others.  I've dealt with 4 of thosenG >         listed above.  But why just look at them?  The major vars arei: >         going to have quite a bit more new and used kit.  @ They sure are. With Tru64 going bye-bye there'll be a lot of oldA StorageWorks stuff and older Alphas coming coming out of service.-  G >         Could you be more clear on what kind of metric you are trying I >         to measure and how you are gauging success or failure?  Thanks.   H See the above discussion of where VMS was as opposed to where it is now.   > > D > > Search for OpenVMS-related jobs on the job board of your choice.J > > Remember to check the major U.S. urban hubs. Here's a few links to get > > you started: > >S > > http://jobsearch.monster.com/jobsearch.asp?q=vms+openvms+vax+dcl+axp&lid=417&lid=888&lid=889&lid=890&fn=&sort=dt&vw=b&cy=US&re=14&brd=1%2C1862%2C1863Hc > > http://www.chicago.computerjobs.com/job_results.asp?s_kw=vms+or+openvms+or+vax&s_jcid=&x=21&y=8s9 > > http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/metrosearch.jsp?ma=7a{ > > http://www.directemployers.com/results.asp?kw=vms+or+openvms+or+vax&cat=&tm=0&i=e&i=s&cn=100&btnG=++++Search+the+US++++s > >t >  >         Don't forget:n >  >         www.hotjobs.comp >         www.careerbuilder.coma >         www.flipdog.comh > H >         And yes, VMS postings are up quite a bit versus 18 months ago.  E ...but __W_A_Y__ down as opposed to barely three years ago, much lessy five years!   B > > Search the major mainstream trade publications for OpenVMS and > > OpenVMS-related ads. > 2 >         The Philadelphia Inquirer used to have aQ >         very nice Data Processing section in the Sunday paper.  Data Processing L >         became the more "correct"  Careers in Science and Technology.  TheN >         number of computer ads has dropped off to nothing.  Computer job adsM >         have left the newspapers and are online.  Mostly the same for traded >         publications.   G ...and that has exactly WHAT to do with OpenVMS- and ALpha-related ads?    > >o" > > Are there any other questions? > >s > > Suggestion:  > >tJ > > Take a sabbatical from the VMS nest and come see how you fare out hereF > > in the real world of EDP where the rubber meets the road and whereF > > careers are made or broken by what top management (i.e., "decisionC > > makers") believe is a safe long term investment in hardware and0J > > operating software. My money says you won't last 30 seconds out here -< > > the sharks will eat you alive in the first five seconds. > >m >  >         Not even close laddy.   ? I'm thinking dead on, based on the consistent "pie in the sky",nE PollyAnna attitudes we see here from you and some other VMS insiders..  D Get *REAL* clear on this people: Outside of its nest, VMS is in deepC friggin' stuff. Make no mistake. VMS sites are dropping like flies, D falling by the wayside faster than we can keep track of them throughH what's left of our network of VMS colleagues. The after-market resellersG aren't getting the stuff because it's being fork-trucked into dumpstersaH at alarming rates - it's simply not viewed as having enough resale value% to warrant a more proper disposition.s  F I'm going to keep saying that - again, and again, and again, and again- ... until people read it *AND* understand it.   F ...and I'm also going to keep saying, "prove me wrong". So far, no oneG has even made a serious attempt (guess everyone knows that the evidence C speaks for itself, or learns soon enough when they try to find somel/ scrap of hope out there to bolster their case).u  C Let VMS learn the lesson of the Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come. TheoG epitaph was written years ago, but is as truthful today as it was then. 7 You know what I mean - I don't HAVE to repost it, do I?h  E "Mens' actions lead to certain ends. If those actions be changed, ared not the ends also changed?"M  
 - Scrooge   C Even *HE* eventually learned. Whether hp will remains to be seen...m   --   David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 22:34:12 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)l1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSo3 Message-ID: <1ZCyrXZ6nrJG@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  y In article <3FE90142.3EBFB4E3@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:i1 > Hhmmm... Nice job of side-stepping the issues. g > H > This being Christmas, I'm feeling generous. Let's try one more time... >   # >> > Are there any other questions?e >> > >> > Suggestion: >> >K >> > Take a sabbatical from the VMS nest and come see how you fare out here-G >> > in the real world of EDP where the rubber meets the road and wherekG >> > careers are made or broken by what top management (i.e., "decision D >> > makers") believe is a safe long term investment in hardware andK >> > operating software. My money says you won't last 30 seconds out here -f= >> > the sharks will eat you alive in the first five seconds.a >> > >> a  >>         Not even close laddy. > A > I'm thinking dead on, based on the consistent "pie in the sky",oG > PollyAnna attitudes we see here from you and some other VMS insiders.e >   A 	No.  Your assertion above is that I live in a "VMS nest."  WhileeB 	entertaining yourself with your cute little metaphors, you aren't 	even close ... laddy.  < 	I actually have 4 or 5 job respnsiblities.  VMS is just oneF 	of them.  Other than VMS, I am involved in 4 major projects, leading 4 	3 of them, and a key "decision maker" in 2 of them.  ? 	To suggest I "won't even last 30 seconds out here - the sharks.B 	will eat you alive in the first five seconds" sounds oh so scary 1 	but isn't very accurate.  But self-entertaining?    > E > Let VMS learn the lesson of the Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come. TheeI > epitaph was written years ago, but is as truthful today as it was then.o9 > You know what I mean - I don't HAVE to repost it, do I?  >   G 	I know what you mean, and if you say it long enough, you and Tom will z" 	eventually be right, or will you?  H "OpenVMS customers heavily dependent on third-party applications should J immediately begin exploring migration options with an objective of moving L most key packaged applications off the OpenVMS platform by the end of 2001."  -    Gartner Group senior IT analyst Tom Henkel     1999   G > "Mens' actions lead to certain ends. If those actions be changed, are  > not the ends also changed?"s >  > - Scrooge  > E > Even *HE* eventually learned. Whether hp will remains to be seen...  >   D 	Learn what?  They are running an $80 billion dollar business.  It's? 	a chuckle to read the rantings of folks that would marginalizea? 	HP's handling of their business - the outside in looking at an  	$80 billion dollar business.   B 	Suppose for the sake of argument VMS folded the tent, ok fine.  IC 	wouldn't be any less busy than I am right now.  Would a lot of thesB 	VMS talent get snatched up?  Absolutely.  Fringe players may have@ 	a tough time but fringe players have a tough time regardless of	 	segment.n   	But VMS isn't going away:  8 The IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data shows that OpenVMSC server customer revenues for Q3CY2003 (HP's fiscal Q4) increased byVE more than 7% over the same quarter a year ago, and units shipped were  up by more than 23%.  9 	Those are facts presented by IDC.  Care to dispute them?d   				Roba   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:21:23 -0500d* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>3 Subject: Suggestion to the TCPIP Services FTP folksb) Message-ID: <3FE91432.F9EA69BC@istop.com>u  K I'he just had a systematic attack from a specific IP address trying variousuN usernames and countless password combinations. So, I set out to send log filesG to the abuse department of that ISP (their WHOIS information encourages- reports of such attempts).  ' VAX VMS 7.2-1, TCPIP Services 5.3 ECO 2r  M 1- SHOW INTRUSION didn't tell me anything. So intrusion detections on VMS hasaI become useless. FTP doesn't use it, neither does the the XDM server which 1 allows password cracking to be used via Xwindows.l  L 2- There doesn't seem to be a single log file that has complete information.F the TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG is really insufficient, especially since connectN requests are not matched with error messages (In this case, I think the hackerF would make multiple requests at the same time, generating many connectQ messages in the logs, and only later does one see the invalid usernames messages.n  M 3- ANA/AUDIT/FULL still is incapable of showing full host names (truncated at K 16 bytes), and still unable to display actual IP dotted decimal node names.   K There really should be a way to see the passwords attempted by the hackers.dK All the FTP products that require authentification should automaticaklly belN subject to breakin detection and evasion.  And any invalid attekps logged, andJ once breakin evasion has detected a possible intruder, passwords should be" logged and displayed by ana/audit.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:12:49 -0000!4 From: "Chris Casey" <chris.caseyNOSPAM@ntlworld.com>8 Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...> Message-ID: <bS4Gb.9644$FN.9048@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>u; wrote in message news:bs6k6f$g6k$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...f8 > > Lets face it from the OpenVMS patch reports, to Hoff7 > > Hoffmans public admissions of inaccuracy to ask thet8 > > Wizard there is a whole body of evidence that proves. > > that OpenVMS CERT advisories are accurate.   Thank you Andrew,t  E that made my day. We can live off the back of that type for years <g>i   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Dec 2003 20:44:51 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)8 Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312232044.2bff08d7@posting.google.com>   m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0312191533.7f809ec9@posting.google.com>...- > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<brvc2a$57j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>..., [...]b= > > The fact that HP/Compaq has reported OpenVMS as not being @ > > vunerable to a CERT advisory should not lead you to conclude; > > that its isn't because there is a body of evidence that ? > > proves that these responses have been wrong in the past ande, > > that they also continue to be incorrect.   Andrew,     Nice self-obfuscatory paragraph.   [...]tA > because it is all b.s., just like slowaris and sparkies are ...>   Bob,    F Please stop using terms like "slowaris". I mean really -- do I have to explain why? Thanks.     Alan E. FeldmanI   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:02:57 +0000 (UTC) * From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau); Subject: Why does OSU www hostprot rule fail after upgrade? 0 Message-ID: <bsa71h$pq6$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  B Hi, I'm running OpenVMS AXP V7.3-1, TCPIP V5.3, and OSU WWW serverD v3.10a. I just upgraded to VMS 7.3-1 and to OSU WWW server v3.10a.  A I did not change my host name, domain, or IP address, and the OSUeD configuration files stayed almost exactly the same (no new paths, no new protection rules, etc.).  C I have a set of web pages that are host protected.  This protection D mechanism worked before, but now it fails.  I don't know if it's due> to the updated OSU server, or the updated VMS OS and its TCPIP package.  D (For those not familiar with OSU www server package, host protectionB restricts access to specific web pages based on the requester's IP address or host name.)   The rule I'm using is:  % hostprot /docs/* www_system:soho.protn   There is also a rule   pass /docs/*  7 that resolves to the correct device and directory spec.>  E The file www_system:soho.prot referenced in the hostprot rule - whicht( hasn't changed, btw - includes the line:   maskgroup @*.umd.edu  C My browser is on the host css-b-331.umd.edu, which should match thec maskgroup line.t  E Every time I try to access umtof.umd.edu/docs/, I get a web page that>D says "The server was unable to return the requested document because? access controls placed on that document by the HTTP server deny 0 access".  As I said earlier, this worked before.  D I enabled debugging with a higher trace level.  The trace file showsF the attempted match, which seems to succeed, but it still gives me theD 403 error.  Here's part of the trace file, which is too long to post in its entirety.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------F TCP-80/2 connect from 129.2.163.75.49539, 18-DEC-2003 18:52:36.92 (19): TCP-80/2 host address translates to name css-b-331.umd.edu1 TCP-80/2 http request: 'GET' '/docs/', (HTTP/1.1)I1 TCP-80/2      request stats: strings=12, bytes=20b   [snip rule test failures]   D Rule test SUCCESS (protect): '/DOCS/*' vs. '/docs/'        <--------   [snip more rule test failures]  D Rule test SUCCESS (pass):    '/DOCS/' vs. '/docs/'         <--------5 ident_map: '/docs/' -> '/diskm1/soho/docs/index.html'n? port 80 cache_allowed flag: 1 prot file: 'www_system:soho.prot'-< Cache check for 'www_system:soho.prot', status: 2, length: 0/ Converting 'www_system:soho.prot' to EFS format N Prospective dir-mode open on 'www_system:soho.prot': 7C000880, dir-appended: 0   [snip some lines].  D groupdef from prot file: '@*.umd.edu'                      <--------0 groupdef parse result: 1, is_numeric: 0, bits: 0D Comparing host 'CSS-B-331.UMD.EDU.' with '*.UMD.EDU        <--------D remote_host[0..9] = 'CSS-B-331' and d = ''                 <--------   [snip more lines]f  E TCP-80/2 Protection check status: 0, protfail: '/demo/error_403.html' J Cache check for '/www_root/serverdoc/error_403.html', status: 2, length: 0= Converting '/www_root/serverdoc/error_403.html' to EFS format Z Converted '/www_root/serverdoc/error_403.html' to EFS 'www_root:[serverdoc]error_403.html'\ Prospective dir-mode open on 'www_root:[serverdoc]error_403.html': 7C000880, dir-appended: 09 TCP-80/2      response stats: hdr = 273, data = 290 bytessF ----------------------------------------------------------------------  D So, what's happenning?  It seems to know that a protection check has8 to be done, but then the protection check fails.  Ideas?   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edut   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:27:02 +0000 (UTC).* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)? Subject: Re: Why does OSU www hostprot rule fail after upgrade? 0 Message-ID: <bsabv6$r68$2@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  H In reply to my own post, I have at least made a temporary fix to get the6 hostprot feature of the OSU www server working for me.  A In the file protect4.c there was a one-line change.  On line 393:e                  d = &value[1];   > In the file protect4.c of the previous release the line reads:                  d = &value[0];c  J That is the only difference between the two files, other than the revision history comment, which says:  K * Revised:     24-JUL-2002             fix so works with dns lookup enabled   K Evidently this fix changed this so it would *not* work!  I copied the oldercO protect4.c file to the [.base_code] directory, did a rebuild, and now it works!i   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu(   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.710 ************************