1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 24 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 711       Contents: Re: Christmas Special  did the uptimes project die?  Re: did the uptimes project die?, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL GUI aplication on VMS. Re: GUI aplication on VMS.* How to make exe return value to dcl symbol. Re: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol. RE: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol. Re: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol4 In the light of a recent post this seems appropriate8 Re: In the light of a recent post this seems appropriate& Re: Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2?# Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS  Re: OpenVMS org  Re: OpenVMS org & Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS( Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMS! strange behaviour of IF statement % Re: strange behaviour of IF statement . Re: Suggestion to the TCPIP Services FTP folks. Re: Suggestion to the TCPIP Services FTP folks. Re: Suggestion to the TCPIP Services FTP folks. Re: Suggestion to the TCPIP Services FTP folks VMS runs well on HP Superdome ! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome / Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:34:11 -0500 % From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET>  Subject: Re: Christmas Special/ Message-ID: <vuj5ekeij86i80@news.supernews.com>    YES!  F Your Daytime # or cell # - we still have 2-3 hours of daytime (well,inF Sweden in the Winter I guess there isn't actually much of that anyhow)     DT   --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402 , Email (SPAMproofed) dbturner@islandco.nospam (replace nospam with .com)        K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:3FE90901.88F55062@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  > >  > > Island wrote:  > > B > > > YOU MUST include a valid daytime phone number for this offer > >  > > Who's daytime ???  > > 
 > > Jan-Erik.  > G > My guess would be yours - be sure to specify your time zone (GMT+x or : > GMT-x)) in your e-mail to Islandco. Then its no problem. >  > --   > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:33:58 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>% Subject: did the uptimes project die? / Message-ID: <00A2AD81.23A2566C.1@tachysoft.com>   M I am not able to connect to uptimes.wonko.com any more.  Domain name does not ? resolve.  Did the uptimes project move again, or is it a stiff?    Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:11:27 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)) Subject: Re: did the uptimes project die? 0 Message-ID: <z0iGb.468498$275.1363595@attbi_s53>  Z In article <00A2AD81.23A2566C.1@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:N !I am not able to connect to uptimes.wonko.com any more.  Domain name does not@ !resolve.  Did the uptimes project move again, or is it a stiff? !   	 Hi Wayne,   L uptimes.hostingwired.com - changed a few months ago.  I had to recompile the> source, and replace all references from wonko to hostingwired.   !WayneP !===============================================================================O !Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com < !http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   P !===============================================================================I !Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy." 2 !   Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:36:44 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <gmbGb.11234$T_4.8616@news.cpqcorp.net>     Thank you all for your feedback.  E Here is what I would like to suggest to summarize all the responses :   K * For V8.2 we will introduce new lexical function F$MATH. While this is not 4 the best approach, it will provide better arithmetic9 capabilities in DCL without breaking existing procedures.   L * For a post V8.2 release, we will implement "native" floating point support2 in DCL. V8.2 is expected to ship in H204 so we areD probably talking about mid-late 2005 for native floating point. When8 available, I will publish the spec to get your feedback/  J Please let me know if you agree with this strategy and again thank you for( your feedback, it is highly appreciated.   Happy Holidays,    Guy         ; "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in message - news:EWTFb.11204$bD4.3662@news.cpqcorp.net...  > Hi Folks,  > 8 > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > B > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point
 arithmetic/ > in DCL. The intention is to support something  > similar to the following:  >  > a=1.23 > b=2.44 >  > write sys$output a+b > 3.67 > A > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  > H > If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short8 > justification. Assuming the response will be positive,( > I will try to implement this for V8.2. > $ > Merry Christmas and happy new year >  > Guy  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:45:40 GMT ( From: Phaeton   <spameater@spam.invalid>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 7 Message-ID: <8fdGb.6079$xm.245164@nasal.pacific.net.au>   / Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote:  > Hi Folks,  > 8 > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > M > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point arithmetic / > in DCL. The intention is to support something  > similar to the following:  >  > a=1.23 > b=2.44 >  > write sys$output a+b > 3.67 > A > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  > H > If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short8 > justification. Assuming the response will be positive,( > I will try to implement this for V8.2. > $ > Merry Christmas and happy new year >  > Guy   ? 	Well, since it is Christmas time and we can put our wishes and = 	requests to Santa... er... I mean Guy :-), I will come in at 9 	a different tangent here ( to keep it mathematical :-) :   ? 	Will we see a DCL compiler in the future ? What I have in mind > 	is that we could create small, fast and tight .EXE-s from DCL 	code. 	OK, dream mode off... 							Cheers,  Csaba   J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:   +  The bigger the front, the bigger the back.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:40:37 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL ) Message-ID: <3FE95EEE.80371346@istop.com>    Guy Peleg wrote: > @ > F$MATH will guarantee that existing procedures will not break.L > I was not offering F$MATH instead of anything being planned. FOR and While > are currently in the works.   F Instead of F$MATH, I would suggest F$EVALUATE(string, type, decimals) ) 	where string would be some equation and  + 	type would either be "INTEGER" or "FLOAT". E 	decimals would indicate the number of decimals in the returned value    so you could have M $write sys$output "Value=",F$EVALUATE("60.562 * 23.132 / 2723.111","FLOAT",2)   
 Value=0.52  J Now, F$EVALUATE would always yield a string result, so the result couldn'tM readily be used for subsequent computations unless you included the string in  subsequent computations.  E There should be a way to then use another lexical to convert a string J containing a floating point number into an integer stored in a dcl symbol.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:49:04 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL ) Message-ID: <3FE960E8.D0496686@istop.com>    Another suggestion:   N you provide inherent DCL symbol support for floating point. But, any symbol is= assumed to be integer unless explicitely declared as a float.   
 for instance:    A = F$FLOAT(value, decimals)  T The "decimals" would be used when converting the binary value to displayable values.; Any subsequent use of A would imply a floating point value.   H you could also provide F$INT(value) to reset the symbol to integer type.  J If the symbol table contains some type of length field, then you could use> that field to store the desired number of decimals on display.  J So any existing command procedure would continue to work since none of theR symbols would be declared with F$FLOAT and thus function as integers (or strings).    H Giving floating point support in symbols would be really neat, but wouldI require a lot more changes since you'd have to change lots of stuff (show L symbol, F$FAO to support floating point, symbol translation when imbedded in strings etc.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:11:03 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL $ Message-ID: <bsbs86$d01$2@online.de>  A In article <8fdGb.6079$xm.245164@nasal.pacific.net.au>, Phaeton   ! <spameater@spam.invalid> writes:    A > 	Will we see a DCL compiler in the future ? What I have in mind @ > 	is that we could create small, fast and tight .EXE-s from DCL > 	code.  ? There is Charlie Hammond's DCL_DIET, which will speed things up I somewhat.  I've heard of a tool which converts DCL procedures to Fortran  : code then compiles and links that.  Should be pretty fast.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 07:13:35 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <gwsepkHrHv+v@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <s82Gb.87$n13.93235@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> writes:  > L > It's more flexible than most case statements.  I have seen case statementsI > where you can put a conditional expression on each case, but that's not  > standard.  >   G    I'd acutally like to have both the CASE and SELECT styles of BLISS,  0    but we don't need to add the . operator.  8-)  E    I still don't understand why standard C can't let us use link-time !    constants as case expressions.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 07:16:08 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: RE: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <ORlr$PTq3IhT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAENFCIAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: K > The subject title of this thread is wrong, at least based on the examples I > cited.  This is not floating point but scaled, fixed decimal.  Floating  > point ! > has an exponent and a mantissa.   C    That varies.  In most computer languages 1.3 is a floating point F    constant, as is 1.3E0.  Very few actually support fixed point, evenF    if the values could readily be handled that way.  PL/I is the only "    one I can recall at the moment.  D    I don't think anyone is in a hurry to ask for fixed point support
    in DCL.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 07:17:15 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <Kih+164XRKnc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <QP4Gb.208868$dt3.15622@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: >>ELSEIF <conditional> THEN  >  > make this ELSIF   C    Nope.  No need to add more computer jargon.  Ranks right next to '    grep.  Let's keep DCL English-based.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 07:18:29 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <8cPAJ0qcqsEw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <gmbGb.11234$T_4.8616@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes: > M > * For V8.2 we will introduce new lexical function F$MATH. While this is not 6 > the best approach, it will provide better arithmetic; > capabilities in DCL without breaking existing procedures.  > N > * For a post V8.2 release, we will implement "native" floating point support4 > in DCL. V8.2 is expected to ship in H204 so we areF > probably talking about mid-late 2005 for native floating point. When: > available, I will publish the spec to get your feedback/ > L > Please let me know if you agree with this strategy and again thank you for* > your feedback, it is highly appreciated.      Go for it!  And many thanks.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:43:47 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL . Message-ID: <bscfo3$hmc$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes in article <ZBXFb.11208$%M4.9489@news.cpqcorp.net> dated Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:41:13 GMT: J >I would also like your feedback about the possibility of adding a lexicalN >function to perform floating point math. As you might imagine adding floatingQ >point support is not easy, however, lexical functions are much easier to add. We N >can add a F$MATH lexical function to perform various types of arithmetic. For	 >example:  > - >Write sys$output F$MATH("ADD","4.55","3.22")  > H >Other operands might be :sub,div,mul,sqrt,sin,cos,tan and what ever one >would like.  C Guy, you have got to be one of the most enthusiastic and responsive J engineers ever, which makes it really hard to make negative comments about2 your ideas but I have to be blunt about this one.   E First, it requires an invocation of the lexical for each mathematical I operation.  That's comparable to the early implementation of COBOL.  Your F time would be better spent (for example) taking the "calc" utility andK adding a -e flag which would cause it to read from the command line (rather L than stdin) and write the result to a symbol.  Then DCL code might look like this:    $ expr :== ('a' + 'b') / 2 $ calc -e "''expr'" D $ write sys$output "The average of ''a' and ''b' is ''calc$result'."  H The second problem is comparisons.  Is the result greater than "1026.5"?G The .GTS. operator won't work for that; you'll have to add a comparison I function to your lexical, or provide a .GTF. operator, or something else.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:24:27 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 0 Message-ID: <3FE9D9DB.7435076B@sture.homeip.net>   Bob Koehler wrote: > n > In article <QP4Gb.208868$dt3.15622@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: > >>ELSEIF <conditional> THEN  > >  > > make this ELSIF  > E >    Nope.  No need to add more computer jargon.  Ranks right next to ) >    grep.  Let's keep DCL English-based.   	 Seconded.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 02:32:12 -0800' From: avs@nikom.tagil.ru (Andrey Savin)  Subject: GUI aplication on VMS. = Message-ID: <96faaf36.0312240232.11c885f7@posting.google.com>    Hi,   - I've upgrade my OpenVMS VAX to OpenVMS Alpha. / On the OpenVMS VAX work of clients application  F On the OpenVMS VAX work of exhibit of clients at the following scheme:  E   OpenVMS VAX <=set disp/cre/node=xxx=> VXT Terminal (X-Server + GUI)   K My old GUI-applications was development under the Teleuse graphical editor. T Now I'm porting Qt-free-3.2.1 (from Trolltech http://www.trolltech.com) and it work.  6 The VXT Terminal too old and anyone has thoughts that * possible use instead of the VXT Terminal, " important to there to be X-Server.  2 OpenVMS AXP <====>  ??? (may be any a thin client)   Andrey.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 07:35:58 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: GUI aplication on VMS. 3 Message-ID: <OUT$Wp$Ewabk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <96faaf36.0312240232.11c885f7@posting.google.com>, avs@nikom.tagil.ru (Andrey Savin) writes:  > Hi, 8 > The VXT Terminal too old and anyone has thoughts that , > possible use instead of the VXT Terminal, $ > important to there to be X-Server.  C    I've been using my VXT with my Alpha since the day I bought them     together.  Works great.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:41:49 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 3 Subject: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEOGCIAA.tom@kednos.com>   C Using lib$get_foreign one can pass arguments to an executable.  But F this behaves like a subroutine.  How would you make it a function such- that it would return a value to a DCL symbol?  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 10:32:06 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: Re: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol 3 Message-ID: <kd8Hrmxw6laJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEOGCIAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: E > Using lib$get_foreign one can pass arguments to an executable.  But H > this behaves like a subroutine.  How would you make it a function such/ > that it would return a value to a DCL symbol?    Call LIB$SET_SYMBOL.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:46:25 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 7 Subject: RE: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEOJCIAA.tom@kednos.com>   + I meant in a dcl assignment statement, e.g.    $ sym = foo(args)    /* -----Original Message----- 7 /* From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] - /* Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:32 AM  /* To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: /* Subject: Re: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol /*   /*  B /* In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEOGCIAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom # /* Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: H /* > Using lib$get_foreign one can pass arguments to an executable.  ButK /* > this behaves like a subroutine.  How would you make it a function such 2 /* > that it would return a value to a DCL symbol? /*   /* Call LIB$SET_SYMBOL.  /*     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:25:11 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>7 Subject: Re: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol ) Message-ID: <3FE9DA07.CD3738E6@istop.com>    Tom Linden wrote:  > E > Using lib$get_foreign one can pass arguments to an executable.  But H > this behaves like a subroutine.  How would you make it a function such/ > that it would return a value to a DCL symbol?   L You catch Guy Peleg and give him a beer/cookie jar/chocolate/cognac/whateverK and then kindly ask him to implement your program as a lexical function :-)    There are 2 ways about it:  M Your program simply returns a value (for instance, in C:  exit(myvalue);  and I then right after you can executed the program, the value is stored in the 9 symbol $STATUS which you can then copy to another symbol.   L Another way to do it is to have the program explicitely set a symbol's valueT with LIB$SET_SYMBOL. You could supply the symbol name as an argument to the program.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:21:35 +0000 , From: Adrian Birkett <aaa@notreallyhere.com>= Subject: In the light of a recent post this seems appropriate 1 Message-ID: <3FE968AF.BF6EC245@notreallyhere.com>   . I am the very model of a Newsgroup Personality. I intersperse obscenity with tedious banality.8 Addresses I have plenty of, both genuine and ghosted to,B On all the countless newsgroups that my drivel is cross-posted to.  @ Your bandwidth I will fritter with my whining and my snivelling,C And you're the one who pays the bill downloading all my drivelling. 8 My enemies are numerous, and no one would be blaming you> For thinking me a dickhead after I've been rudely flaming you.  ; I hate to lose an argument (by now I should be used to it). 8 I wouldn't know a valid point if I was introduced to it.9 My learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, 5 Designed to fan my ego, which is larger than Bolivia.   @ The comments that I vomit forth, disguised as jest and drollery,4 Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery.B I say I'm frank and forthright, but that's merely lies and vanity,7 The gibberings of one who's at the limit of his sanity.   6 If only I could get a life, as many people tell me to;@ If only mum could find a circus freak-show she could sell me to;3 If I go off to Zanzibar to paint the local scenery; 4 If I lose all my fingers in a mishap with machinery;  7 If I survive to forty, which is somewhat problematical; = If what I post was more mature, or slightly more grammatical; : If I could learn to spell a bit, and maybe even punctuate;? Would I still be the loathsome and objectionable prat you hate?   F But while I have this tiresome urge to prance around and show my face,< It's simply isn't safe for normal people here in cyberspace.5 To stick me in Old Sparky and turn on the electricity 3 Would be a fitting punishment for my egocentricity.   6 I always have the last word; so, with utmost finality,9 That's all from me, the model of a Newsgroup Personality.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:32:42 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>A Subject: Re: In the light of a recent post this seems appropriate 3 Message-ID: <3fe979a9$0$7148$626a54ce@news.free.fr>    he got confused between    $ type/tail    and    $ type tale    :-)   0 Thanks anyway, and to you too a Merry Christmas.   D.   Adrian Birkett wrote: 0 > I am the very model of a Newsgroup Personality0 > I intersperse obscenity with tedious banality.: > Addresses I have plenty of, both genuine and ghosted to,D > On all the countless newsgroups that my drivel is cross-posted to. > B > Your bandwidth I will fritter with my whining and my snivelling,E > And you're the one who pays the bill downloading all my drivelling. : > My enemies are numerous, and no one would be blaming you@ > For thinking me a dickhead after I've been rudely flaming you. > = > I hate to lose an argument (by now I should be used to it). : > I wouldn't know a valid point if I was introduced to it.; > My learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, 7 > Designed to fan my ego, which is larger than Bolivia.  > B > The comments that I vomit forth, disguised as jest and drollery,6 > Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery.D > I say I'm frank and forthright, but that's merely lies and vanity,9 > The gibberings of one who's at the limit of his sanity.  > 8 > If only I could get a life, as many people tell me to;B > If only mum could find a circus freak-show she could sell me to;5 > If I go off to Zanzibar to paint the local scenery; 6 > If I lose all my fingers in a mishap with machinery; > 9 > If I survive to forty, which is somewhat problematical; ? > If what I post was more mature, or slightly more grammatical; < > If I could learn to spell a bit, and maybe even punctuate;A > Would I still be the loathsome and objectionable prat you hate?  > H > But while I have this tiresome urge to prance around and show my face,> > It's simply isn't safe for normal people here in cyberspace.7 > To stick me in Old Sparky and turn on the electricity 5 > Would be a fitting punishment for my egocentricity.  > 8 > I always have the last word; so, with utmost finality,; > That's all from me, the model of a Newsgroup Personality.  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 06:05:33 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2? = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312240605.63515780@posting.google.com>   d brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote in message news:<4V3EUPN$lsjQ@cuebid.zko.dec.com>..., > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:@ > > anyone with lengthy 7.1-2 use have any issues with anything, > > especially shadowing?  > Q > If you want the latest shadowing fixes, you must run a version of OpenVMS Alpha O > no older than V7.2-2.  Any bug that is found on a newer version (than V7.2-2) K > will not be backported to any version earlier than V7.2-2; said bug fixes ) > are automatically backported to V7.2-2.   6 we are not having any shadowing or other issues now on6 7.1-1H2 ... I just want to know if anyone had any they remember on 7.1-2 ...    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 07:27:15 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS3 Message-ID: <dsM$Z22LoH09@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <3fe88aaa$0$1096$7f8943f3@newsreader.visi.com>, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:  > Here's a simple question.  >  > Say I have a variable in C:  >  > char *filename;  > + > On a unix system, the file may be "c.txt"  > 0 > On a VMS system, the filename may be "C.TXT;1" > @ > I want to convert the VMS file name to look like the unix one. > K > In other words, lowercase it, and drop the semi-colon and version number.   C    Your probably wasting your time.  The C library will accept file G    names in UNIX and VMS formats.  The VMS user will like to see their  G    file names in VMS format.  It would be trivial to user tolower() and B    strrchr(), but what good would it serve?  And what happens when?    you work on an ODS-5 file system where it could be c.Txt;1 ? @    Or when the user enters it using the alternate form c.Txt.1 ?  D    Meanwhile if you enter "c.txt" in a C program on VMS, or Fortran,H    or any other language, the file system will find C.TXT;0, or c.txt;0,L    or c.Txt;0, or however it's capitalized _unless_ you have the very latestG    release, are using ODS-5, and specifically _tell_ VMS that it _must_     act case sensitive.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 07:33:57 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: OpenVMS org3 Message-ID: <UPqyeXulFZaq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <6p2iuv4lis4pcb2008budp4155hpadrv6n@4ax.com>, notValid@yahoo.com writes: ; > I am in the Initial Phases of a VMS to OPENVMS migration.   C    That's going to be hard to do since VMS and OpenVMS are the same %    thing.  What are you really doing?    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 06:52:04 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: OpenVMS org= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312240652.68291a1a@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<RLXILGvd2fLh@eisner.encompasserve.org>...W > In article <3FD94B3E.F6F7945E@eps.zk.dec.com>, Hein <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com> writes:  > > { > > Is that a trick question? The answer is clearly "all of the c.o.v. readers" as they all use VMS and never ever saw that  > > adverstised. > E >    Guess again.  I recall days in which VMS was advertized.  I also   % Wow! When was that? What was it like?    [...]    Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:36:53 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0: $ Message-ID: <bsbj74$40g$1@online.de>  ? In article <3FE90401.471DEF6@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. 9 Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:    M > > > I have a VT320 connected by an MMJ cable to a VAXstation 4000/60.  When I > > > in an editor, the terminal output is scrambled, like there had been K > > > dropouts, line noise etc.  (The cable is quite short.)  This persists K > > > even after SET TERM/INQ etc.  If I then SET HOST/LAT or TELNET to the N > > > same machine or another one (in the cluster or outside it), the terminal > > > works fine.  > > > K > > > I also have a VT320 as OPA0: on a VAX 4000-100A, i.e. essentially the 9 > > > exact same setup.  I don't have the problems there.  > > > 9 > > > What could be the problem and how can it be solved?  > > L > > This sounds like a flow control problem.  Check the various SET TERMINALI > > SYNC flags (hostsync, TTsync, etc.) for the port.  Make sure that the 9 > > terminal is generating XON/XOFF flow control signals.  > J > Check grounding as someone suggested, check flow control as someone elseG > suggested, and also check for dirty contacts on the cable ends and in E > the jacks. Make sure all outlets are wired correctly. Make sure the E > computer and the terminal see the same potential on the ground line > > (isolated ground?), and make sure that potential is in spec.  B Considering that once I do SET HOST/LAT or TELNET (to the same or H another machine) things work fine, doesn't that rule out bad grounding, G dirty cables, missing flow control etc?  After all, if the information  - is garbled, how can SET HOST/LAT ungarble it?   G The terminal setup is the same as my other terminals, which work fine,  ' so that doesn't seem to be the problem.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:22:59 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0: ) Message-ID: <3FE968D8.68BD9681@istop.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > dirty cables, missing flow control etc?  After all, if the information/ > is garbled, how can SET HOST/LAT ungarble it?   M Have you tried comparing the output from SHOW TERMINAL done on node1 , and on . node2 after you have done set host/lat node2 ?    M Also, I just did a test from a VT220 on OPA0: (node VELO) running VAX VMS 7.2    SET TERM OPA0:/NOHOST/NOTTSYNC# SET TERM OPA0:/NOHOST/NOTTSYNC/PERM    EDIT/TPU somefile.ext   J during a <ctrl w> operation, TPU complains the the key CTRL-Q has not beenJ defined. This means that VMS doesn't catch the XOn-XOFF characters and TPU: sees them (normal considering the set term command above).  N Now, on a VT220 at 9600 baud, it doesn't seem to provide visible defects, evenN though the fact that TPU has seen XON_XOFF characters indicates that the VT220K did advise the all mighty microvax II that it was sending data too fast :-)   : Now, if I SET HOST/LAT VELO and login to the same account:  J after login, if I SHOW TERM OPA0:, it shows that OPA0: has been set by SET HOST/LAT to L /HOSTSYNC/TTSYNC and /PASTHRU . So, during a SET HOST/LAT, the OPA0: line isL temporarily set to have local flow control. (It is a shame that /PASSALL hasM been deprecated, this one was obvious  to prevent the local host from messing  with any control characters).i  N At what speed is your terminal physically set ? (on my all mighty microvax II,L it shows the terminal set to 300 baud even though the line is set to 9600 !)  L Also, in your console is a VT320, in the COMMs tab of the setup, do you haveM XOFF at 64 or XOFF at 128 ?  XOFF 64 means that if the internal buffer has 64mK undisplayed characters, it sends an XOFF, giving the host more time to stopyN sending data before the terminal's internal buffer overflows. When set to 128,N it means that the terminal waits until the last second before telling the hostK to stop sending, so if there is already a lot of data "in transit" it risksb" overflowing the terminal's buffer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:08:15 +0000 (UTC)uP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0: $ Message-ID: <bsbs2v$d01$1@online.de>  2 In article <3FE968D8.68BD9681@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   J > > dirty cables, missing flow control etc?  After all, if the information1 > > is garbled, how can SET HOST/LAT ungarble it?i > O > Have you tried comparing the output from SHOW TERMINAL done on node1 , and one0 > node2 after you have done set host/lat node2 ?  D The terminals are 500 km away now.  I'll have a chance next Tuesday.  O > Also, I just did a test from a VT220 on OPA0: (node VELO) running VAX VMS 7.2- >   > SET TERM OPA0:/NOHOST/NOTTSYNC% > SET TERM OPA0:/NOHOST/NOTTSYNC/PERMm >  > EDIT/TPU somefile.extN > L > during a <ctrl w> operation, TPU complains the the key CTRL-Q has not beenL > defined. This means that VMS doesn't catch the XOn-XOFF characters and TPU< > sees them (normal considering the set term command above). > P > Now, on a VT220 at 9600 baud, it doesn't seem to provide visible defects, evenP > though the fact that TPU has seen XON_XOFF characters indicates that the VT220M > did advise the all mighty microvax II that it was sending data too fast :-)a > < > Now, if I SET HOST/LAT VELO and login to the same account: > L > after login, if I SHOW TERM OPA0:, it shows that OPA0: has been set by SET > HOST/LAT to N > /HOSTSYNC/TTSYNC and /PASTHRU . So, during a SET HOST/LAT, the OPA0: line isN > temporarily set to have local flow control. (It is a shame that /PASSALL hasO > been deprecated, this one was obvious  to prevent the local host from messingo > with any control characters).    In SYS$SYLOGIN, I have  =    $  SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE/WIDTH=80/HOSTSYNC/INSERT/BROADCASTr  G so that should always be the case.  I'm pretty sure TTSYNC is set too, -& but as I said I'll check next Tuesday.  P > At what speed is your terminal physically set ? (on my all mighty microvax II,N > it shows the terminal set to 300 baud even though the line is set to 9600 !)   I'm pretty sure its 9600.o  N > Also, in your console is a VT320, in the COMMs tab of the setup, do you haveO > XOFF at 64 or XOFF at 128 ?  XOFF 64 means that if the internal buffer has 64=M > undisplayed characters, it sends an XOFF, giving the host more time to stop(P > sending data before the terminal's internal buffer overflows. When set to 128,P > it means that the terminal waits until the last second before telling the hostM > to stop sending, so if there is already a lot of data "in transit" it risks $ > overflowing the terminal's buffer.   @64.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 07:28:15 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)./ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:d3 Message-ID: <2+m9xXQdLKtz@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  w In article <bsbj74$40g$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:o > D > Considering that once I do SET HOST/LAT or TELNET (to the same or J > another machine) things work fine, doesn't that rule out bad grounding, I > dirty cables, missing flow control etc?  After all, if the information n/ > is garbled, how can SET HOST/LAT ungarble it?e  :    No.  None of those techniques are using the same cable.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:01:12 +0000 (UTC)1P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:=$ Message-ID: <bsc677$mh2$1@online.de>  3 In article <2+m9xXQdLKtz@eisner.encompasserve.org>,a> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   y > In article <bsbj74$40g$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > > F > > Considering that once I do SET HOST/LAT or TELNET (to the same or L > > another machine) things work fine, doesn't that rule out bad grounding, K > > dirty cables, missing flow control etc?  After all, if the information M1 > > is garbled, how can SET HOST/LAT ungarble it?> > < >    No.  None of those techniques are using the same cable.   Sorry, I wasn't clear.  H There is an MMJ cable between a VT320 used as the console (S3 switch is H up, shows up as OPA0:).  If I log in directly to the console, I see the = garbled output.  Now, already logged in to the console, I do        $ SET HOST/LAT <node>  H where <node> is either the node for which this terminal is the console, B or another node.  In both cases, the scrambled output goes away.  G However, in both cases the same MMJ cable is my only connection to the b cluster.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:54:21 -0500u* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSa( Message-ID: <3FE96224.A4FD404@istop.com>   Rob Young wrote:J >         No.  Your assertion above is that I live in a "VMS nest."  WhileK >         entertaining yourself with your cute little metaphors, you aren'tl >         even close ... laddy.o  M You portray youself as someone who doesn't see any problems with VMS and thatpL VMS is doing great in the market place. It is therefore very easy to see youM as someone who is one of the few lucky ones who live in a cocoon where VMS isuO still very respected and not seen as an endangered species by upper management.   L If you are to take the 5% drop in business quoted by your brother Mr Parris,I it is pretty hard to say that VMS is doing great when even HP agress thatyJ revenus are dropping (and that HP was fully aware that their actions would cause a drop in revenus).    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 06:11:56 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: Singapore Exchange to run on OpenVMSi= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312240611.323a413e@posting.google.com>   f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<1ZCyrXZ6nrJG@eisner.encompasserve.org>... > J > "OpenVMS customers heavily dependent on third-party applications should L > immediately begin exploring migration options with an objective of moving N > most key packaged applications off the OpenVMS platform by the end of 2001." > / >    Gartner Group senior IT analyst Tom Henkeli	 >    1999   9 and what were we supposed to be moving to ... windoze whoa6 they just recently denounced as unsafe, or even better9 how about linux ... a vms wanna be that doesn't even come 8 close to vms reliability and clustering and security ...8 or in the same boat good old convuluted cert of the week6 club member unix ... answer is there is no alternative7 right now to vms, and it will take years for this other 5 garbage to even com close ... anybody who listened tom8 the boneheads above are in a very sorry state right now!   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:20:14 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)* Subject: strange behaviour of IF statement$ Message-ID: <bschse$109$1@online.de>  F The original code is quite long, so I haven't tried to come up with a  compact example yet.   Basically, I had something like;  '    $  IF STRING .NES. "" .AND. J .LT. It
    $  THEN
    $    K = J-    $    GOTO SOME_LABEL-    $  ENDIF,  > In some circumstances, however, J is not defined, namely when       STRING .EQS. ""  ! Thus, I changed the code above toC      $  IF STRING .NES. "" 7
    $  THEN    $    IF J .LT. It    $    THEN    $      K = J     $      GOTO SOME_LABELl
    $    ENDIF     $  ENDIFe  H It seems to me that the two constructs are logically equivalent, except ? that, as desired, the second one will not test J .LT. I unless (C STRING .NES. "".  However, I get different behaviour using the two  A constructs above for the case the J IS defined.  How can this be?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:56:19 +0100i* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>. Subject: Re: strange behaviour of IF statement/ Message-ID: <3FE9E153.A98F2C8@sture.homeip.net>t  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:q > G > The original code is quite long, so I haven't tried to come up with a. > compact example yet. > ! > Basically, I had something liket > ) >    $  IF STRING .NES. "" .AND. J .LT. Ii >    $  THEN >    $    K = Js >    $    GOTO SOME_LABEL-
 >    $  ENDIF  > ? > In some circumstances, however, J is not defined, namely wheno >  >    STRING .EQS. "" > # > Thus, I changed the code above to  >  >    $  IF STRING .NES. "" >    $  THEN >    $    IF J .LT. I  >    $    THEN >    $      K = Ju >    $      GOTO SOME_LABEL, >    $    ENDIFs
 >    $  ENDIFe > I > It seems to me that the two constructs are logically equivalent, excepta@ > that, as desired, the second one will not test J .LT. I unlessD > STRING .NES. "".  However, I get different behaviour using the twoC > constructs above for the case the J IS defined.  How can this be?o  < When you say that J is not defined, is that really the case?   $ type x.com
 $ string = ""h1 $ if string .nes. "" .and. x .lt. 1 then goto oneu $ string = "A"1 $ if string .nes. "" .and. x .lt. 1 then goto oneo $ exit $one:  $ write sys$output "one"   Now execute it:a   $ @x
 $ string = ""u1 $ if string .nes. "" .and. x .lt. 1 then goto oneo= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling   \X\ $ string = "A"1 $ if string .nes. "" .and. x .lt. 1 then goto one = %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spellingh  \X\ $ exit $t   Both cases give a warning.   However:   $ type y.com $ string = "A"	 $ x = "A" 1 $ if string .nes. "" .and. x .lt. 1 then goto onel $ exit $one:o $ write sys$output "one"   and execute it:o   $ @y $ string = "A"	 $ x = "A"s1 $ if string .nes. "" .and. x .lt. 1 then goto oneG $one:x $ write sys$output "one" one   C You will see that although X is a string, the IF test returns true.c   This is on Alpha V7.3-1. I  A Inconsistent data types for the expression used can also produce:-  ;  INVIFNEST,  invalid IF-THEN-ELSE nesting structure or datai              inconsistency  7   Facility:     CLI, Command Language Interpreter (DCL)   D   Explanation:  An IF-THEN-ELSE statement is incorrectly structured.  ?   User Action:  Modify your command procedure using the correct6 IF-THEN-ELSE=                 structure. Check for inconsistent data types.:=                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^H     -- n
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:26:41 -0500O* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>7 Subject: Re: Suggestion to the TCPIP Services FTP folksI) Message-ID: <3FE95BAA.684F0597@istop.com>    JF Mezei wrote:xO > 1- SHOW INTRUSION didn't tell me anything. So intrusion detections on VMS hastK > become useless. FTP doesn't use it, neither does the the XDM server whichd3 > allows password cracking to be used via Xwindows.   I Interestingly, the logs generated by ANA/AUDIT do write the text "Network G Breaking detection", but SHOW INTRUSION did show one record with only 5rK attempts, so I initially assumed they were related to someone else. So n mytF initial message I was perhaops too quick on my guns. Apology for that.  N  (they must have been at least a hundred attempts by the time I started to actK on it, so to me the 5 attempst on the single intrusion record couldn't haver	 been it).s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:51:34 -0500f* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>7 Subject: Re: Suggestion to the TCPIP Services FTP folksm) Message-ID: <3FE96F8A.7EFCA494@istop.com>   # Another suggestion for improvement:l  L If any of the available services report sufficient breakin attempts from oneE specific IP address, perhaps that IP address should be prevented fromtH connecting to the host for a random number of minutes. (based on the LGI sysgen parameters).-  J (Or better, have any call from that IP get directed to some specified portM running some logging software that would then just  log anything he sends butCN send no response (forcing user to wait for timeouts). Once breaking evasion is? expired, calls would resume from that IP to any port they want.N   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 06:18:06 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)7 Subject: Re: Suggestion to the TCPIP Services FTP folksp= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312240618.723c6c20@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FE96F8A.7EFCA494@istop.com>...c% > Another suggestion for improvement:t > N > If any of the available services report sufficient breakin attempts from oneG > specific IP address, perhaps that IP address should be prevented fromiJ > connecting to the host for a random number of minutes. (based on the LGI > sysgen parameters).h > L > (Or better, have any call from that IP get directed to some specified portO > running some logging software that would then just  log anything he sends buttP > send no response (forcing user to wait for timeouts). Once breaking evasion isA > expired, calls would resume from that IP to any port they want.i  ; why aren't you running TCPware and SSH2?  Then you wouldn'tb be having these issues ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:32:51 -0500,# From: "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com>o7 Subject: Re: Suggestion to the TCPIP Services FTP folks-5 Message-ID: <LihGb.1$KR7.1421495@news.netcarrier.net>   H "> > If any of the available services report sufficient breakin attempts from oneI > > specific IP address, perhaps that IP address should be prevented fromyL > > connecting to the host for a random number of minutes. (based on the LGI > > sysgen parameters).2 > >3I > > (Or better, have any call from that IP get directed to some specifiedi portG > > running some logging software that would then just  log anything hed	 sends butgG > > send no response (forcing user to wait for timeouts). Once breakingt
 evasion isC > > expired, calls would resume from that IP to any port they want.e >.= > why aren't you running TCPware and SSH2?  Then you wouldn't2 > be having these issues ...    	       Bobu  ?   Why aren't you running 7.2 or better then you'd have support.   ,     Not everyone has the option of TCP-Ware.                                 Robt   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:39:53 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>& Subject: VMS runs well on HP Superdome3 Message-ID: <driGb.11239$c05.4455@news.cpqcorp.net>p  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13315e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:19:22 -0500i* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome) Message-ID: <3FE9D8A9.DE0789B2@istop.com>i   Guy Peleg wrote: > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13315t  K What does Superdome offer ? Is it just 32 or whatever processors or does ito: offer Galaxy capabilities with multiple instances of VMS ?   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 06:13:30 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)8 Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312240613.192c1c25@posting.google.com>n  s spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0312232044.2bff08d7@posting.google.com>...So > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0312191533.7f809ec9@posting.google.com>...5 > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<brvc2a$57j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...A >  [...]? > > > The fact that HP/Compaq has reported OpenVMS as not beingIB > > > vunerable to a CERT advisory should not lead you to conclude= > > > that its isn't because there is a body of evidence thatdA > > > proves that these responses have been wrong in the past and . > > > that they also continue to be incorrect. > 	 > Andrew,v > " > Nice self-obfuscatory paragraph. >  > [...]9C > > because it is all b.s., just like slowaris and sparkies are ...a >  > Bob,   > H > Please stop using terms like "slowaris". I mean really -- do I have to > explain why? Thanks. >  >  > Alan E. Feldmanl   do I have to explain why?A   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.711 ************************