1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 25 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 712       Contents: 'nnn' byte record too large  RE: 'nnn' byte record too large  Re: 'nnn' byte record too large  Re: 'nnn' byte record too large  **  MERRY  VAXMAS ! **P DCL extensions Was ( How to make exe return value to dcl symbol  &         Float  Re: did the uptimes project die?, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL Re: GUI aplication on VMS. Re: GUI aplication on VMS.) Microsoft's Christmas gift: another bug ! - Re: Microsoft's Christmas gift: another bug !  Re: OpenVMS org  Re: OpenVMS org 7 OT: VOS (Was: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL) & Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:% Re: strange behaviour of IF statement % Re: strange behaviour of IF statement % Re: strange behaviour of IF statement  sysman$node_table  Re: sysman$node_table ! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome ! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome 7 RE: VOS (Was: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL) / Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ... / Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ... / Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:51:10 -0500  From: user@domain.invalid $ Subject: 'nnn' byte record too large- Message-ID: <bscqou$akc$1@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>   	 Hi there,   , Trying to use "jar" on the following system:  
 OpenVMS 7.3-1  Java SDK 1.4.2  I The file was FTP-ed via a windows system to the VMS machine.  When I try    "jar" I get the following error:  
 SYSTEM> @jar. 7 %RMS-W-RTB, 512 byte record too large for user's buffer    Info on the jar executable:    SYSTEM> dir/full jar.   * Directory SYS$COMMON:[000000.JAVA$142.BIN]  1 JAR.;1                        File ID:  (284,2,0) 0 Size:           76/127        Owner:    [SYSTEM]# Created:    12-OCT-2003 02:29:02.33 ' Revised:    12-OCT-2003 02:29:02.42 (2)  Expires:    <None specified># Backup:     24-DEC-2003 03:06:48.82  Effective:  <None specified> Recording:  <None specified> Accessed:   <None specified> Attributes: <None specified> Modified:   <None specified>
 Linkcount:  1  File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online  Caching attribute:  WritethroughI File attributes:    Allocation: 127, Extend: 64, Global buffer count: 0,   No version limit1 Record format:      Fixed length 512 byte records  Record attributes:  None RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None? File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:RE  Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None   Total of 1 file, 76/127 blocks.   # Thank you in advance for your help.    Yakov Pekar    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:14:29 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ( Subject: RE: 'nnn' byte record too large9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEOOCIAA.tom@kednos.com>    Transfer in Binary mode or zip   /* -----Original Message----- 9 /* From: user@domain.invalid [mailto:user@domain.invalid] . /* Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:51 AM /* To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com' /* Subject: 'nnn' byte record too large  /* /* /* Hi there, /*/ /* Trying to use "jar" on the following system:  /* /* OpenVMS 7.3-1 /* Java SDK 1.4.2  /*K /* The file was FTP-ed via a windows system to the VMS machine.  When I try # /* "jar" I get the following error:  /* /* SYSTEM> @jar.: /* %RMS-W-RTB, 512 byte record too large for user's buffer /* /* Info on the jar executable: /* /* SYSTEM> dir/full jar. /*- /* Directory SYS$COMMON:[000000.JAVA$142.BIN]  /*4 /* JAR.;1                        File ID:  (284,2,0)3 /* Size:           76/127        Owner:    [SYSTEM] & /* Created:    12-OCT-2003 02:29:02.33* /* Revised:    12-OCT-2003 02:29:02.42 (2) /* Expires:    <None specified> & /* Backup:     24-DEC-2003 03:06:48.82 /* Effective:  <None specified>  /* Recording:  <None specified>  /* Accessed:   <None specified>  /* Attributes: <None specified>  /* Modified:   <None specified>  /* Linkcount:  1! /* File organization:  Sequential  /* Shelved state:      Online # /* Caching attribute:  Writethrough K /* File attributes:    Allocation: 127, Extend: 64, Global buffer count: 0,  /* No version limit 4 /* Record format:      Fixed length 512 byte records /* Record attributes:  None  /* RMS attributes:     None  /* Journaling enabled: None B /* File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:RE /* Access Cntrl List:  None  /* Client attributes:  None  /*" /* Total of 1 file, 76/127 blocks. /*& /* Thank you in advance for your help. /* /* Yakov Pekar /* /* ---) /* Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. = /* Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). D /* Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 /* --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 14:21:49 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: 'nnn' byte record too large3 Message-ID: <q4qdwp+y8SLv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   I In article <bscqou$akc$1@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, user@domain.invalid writes:  > Hi there,  > . > Trying to use "jar" on the following system: >   @    jar, class, ... files used by the Java systemj must be set to@    stream-lf.  See the release notes, make sure you ftp the file    in binary, then do:       set file x.jar/attr=rfm=stmfl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:40:38 -0600 5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> ( Subject: Re: 'nnn' byte record too large9 Message-ID: <bsctk6$bu5oi$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>    user@domain.invalid wrote: > Hi there,  > . > Trying to use "jar" on the following system: >  > OpenVMS 7.3-1  > Java SDK 1.4.2 > K > The file was FTP-ed via a windows system to the VMS machine.  When I try  " > "jar" I get the following error: >  > SYSTEM> @jar. 9 > %RMS-W-RTB, 512 byte record too large for user's buffer  >  > Info on the jar executable:  >  > SYSTEM> dir/full jar.  > , > Directory SYS$COMMON:[000000.JAVA$142.BIN] > 3 > JAR.;1                        File ID:  (284,2,0) 2 > Size:           76/127        Owner:    [SYSTEM]% > Created:    12-OCT-2003 02:29:02.33 ) > Revised:    12-OCT-2003 02:29:02.42 (2)  > Expires:    <None specified>% > Backup:     24-DEC-2003 03:06:48.82  > Effective:  <None specified> > Recording:  <None specified> > Accessed:   <None specified> > Attributes: <None specified> > Modified:   <None specified> > Linkcount:  1   > File organization:  Sequential > Shelved state:      Online" > Caching attribute:  WritethroughK > File attributes:    Allocation: 127, Extend: 64, Global buffer count: 0,   > No version limit3 > Record format:      Fixed length 512 byte records  > Record attributes:  None > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: NoneA > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:RE  > Access Cntrl List:  None > Client attributes:  None > ! > Total of 1 file, 76/127 blocks.  > % > Thank you in advance for your help.  > 
 > Yakov Pekar  > H In additon to what has been said before, a jar is not executed as @jar, 2 this is not DCL but Java. Use java -jar <filename>   Happy holidays,    Martin   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 03:58:25 GMT ( From: Phaeton   <spameater@spam.invalid> Subject: **  MERRY  VAXMAS ! ** 7 Message-ID: <BftGb.6094$xm.247798@nasal.pacific.net.au>   7 	I wish everyone a Merry VAXmas and an Alpha New Year !    							Cheers,  Csaba   J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:   +  Happiness is merely the remission of pain.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:12:31 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> Y Subject: DCL extensions Was ( How to make exe return value to dcl symbol  &         Float 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMEOMCIAA.tom@kednos.com>   > I believe adding decimal arithimetic might be useful for many,I but to some extent it is reinventing the wheel and doesn't go far enough.   H In thinking about how one might implement such features, it occurs to me thatH far more useful would be the ability to have a facility for user-defined lexical functions, e.g.   5 $ define lexical foo(sdt1, sdt2, ...) [returns(sdtr)] % with default return being char string + where sdt := SDL data_type, so for example.   = $ define lexical payment(word,decimal precision(10,2),decimal  precision(10,2)) -# _$ returns(decimal precision(10,2))    then you
 $ years=15 $ interest=6.0 $ principal=500000.22 1 $ write sys$out payment(years,interest,principal)   ? By making it a lexical function  then one can include in pipes.   G Now if that were available I could implement all the math functions you * would most likely want in less than a day!     /* -----Original Message----- 4 /* From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com]. /* Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:25 AM /* To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: /* Subject: Re: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol /* /* /* Tom Linden wrote: /* >H /* > Using lib$get_foreign one can pass arguments to an executable.  ButK /* > this behaves like a subroutine.  How would you make it a function such 2 /* > that it would return a value to a DCL symbol? /*1 /* You catch Guy Peleg and give him a beer/cookie   /* jar/chocolate/cognac/whateverA /* and then kindly ask him to implement your program as a lexical  /* function :-)  /* /* There are 2 ways about it:  /*; /* Your program simply returns a value (for instance, in C:  /* exit(myvalue);  andL /* then right after you can executed the program, the value is stored in the< /* symbol $STATUS which you can then copy to another symbol. /*@ /* Another way to do it is to have the program explicitely set a /* symbol's value > /* with LIB$SET_SYMBOL. You could supply the symbol name as an /* argument to the program.  /* /* ---) /* Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. = /* Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). D /* Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 /* --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 16:05:02 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)) Subject: Re: did the uptimes project die? 3 Message-ID: <Dxl3ObuzqLFo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <00A2AD81.23A2566C.1@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:O > I am not able to connect to uptimes.wonko.com any more.  Domain name does not A > resolve.  Did the uptimes project move again, or is it a stiff?  >  > Wayne   : It moved to uptimes.hostingwired.com a while back, I don't remember when exactly.    @ The uptimes.wonko.com name was still resolving until 20-DEC-2003> around 15:30 my time.  At least that is when the proxy servers< that demand a valid hostname resolution stopped allowing theA uptime traffic through for me.  It was a bit disconcerting to see > ten hosts go orange at once.  Only the instances that needed aA fresh resolution of uptimes.wonko.com would gak.  Those that were = still running with the resolution they had week or months ago  were still working.   @ I've updated the upclient.c program to change all the references? and sent the updated .zip to the hostingwired guy just now.  If : you can't wait until the new zip is posted just change the% references in the code and recompile.    Marty    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:29:55 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <3FEA2F83.77F7ED8F@applied-synergy.com>    Bob Koehler wrote: > n > In article <QP4Gb.208868$dt3.15622@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: > >>ELSEIF <conditional> THEN  > >  > > make this ELSIF  > E >    Nope.  No need to add more computer jargon.  Ranks right next to ) >    grep.  Let's keep DCL English-based.   H Currently, DCL only parses the first 4 characters of a verb.  So, ELSEIF1 will parse as ELSE.  ELSIF would parse correctly.   ) Alternately, it should be possible to do:    	ELSE IF <conditional> THEN   H Changing DCL to parse more than 4 characters would break a lot of stuff!  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:45:54 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 2 Message-ID: <mQuGb.11240$bn5.876@news.cpqcorp.net>   Kieth,   Assuming you have two options :   < 1. Wait 2 years and get native floating point support in DCLL 2. Have F$MATH (with some kind of comparing ability) as limited as it is now4 and in two years have native floating point support.   What is your choice?   Guy 9 "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote in message ( news:bscfo3$hmc$1@newslocal.mitre.org...> > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes in articleL <ZBXFb.11208$%M4.9489@news.cpqcorp.net> dated Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:41:13 GMT:L > >I would also like your feedback about the possibility of adding a lexicalG > >function to perform floating point math. As you might imagine adding  floatingK > >point support is not easy, however, lexical functions are much easier to  add. We L > >can add a F$MATH lexical function to perform various types of arithmetic. For  > >example:  > > / > >Write sys$output F$MATH("ADD","4.55","3.22")  > > J > >Other operands might be :sub,div,mul,sqrt,sin,cos,tan and what ever one > >would like. > E > Guy, you have got to be one of the most enthusiastic and responsive L > engineers ever, which makes it really hard to make negative comments about3 > your ideas but I have to be blunt about this one.  > G > First, it requires an invocation of the lexical for each mathematical K > operation.  That's comparable to the early implementation of COBOL.  Your H > time would be better spent (for example) taking the "calc" utility andE > adding a -e flag which would cause it to read from the command line  (rather I > than stdin) and write the result to a symbol.  Then DCL code might look  like > this:  >  > $ expr :== ('a' + 'b') / 2 > $ calc -e "''expr'" F > $ write sys$output "The average of ''a' and ''b' is ''calc$result'." > J > The second problem is comparisons.  Is the result greater than "1026.5"?I > The .GTS. operator won't work for that; you'll have to add a comparison K > function to your lexical, or provide a .GTF. operator, or something else.  > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 13:33:30 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)# Subject: Re: GUI aplication on VMS. = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0312241333.65a45d19@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<OUT$Wp$Ewabk@eisner.encompasserve.org>...i > In article <96faaf36.0312240232.11c885f7@posting.google.com>, avs@nikom.tagil.ru (Andrey Savin) writes:  > > Hi, : > > The VXT Terminal too old and anyone has thoughts that . > > possible use instead of the VXT Terminal, & > > important to there to be X-Server. > E >    I've been using my VXT with my Alpha since the day I bought them  >    together.  Works great.  > Try a X-Terminal Software like Reflection X ! It works fine !    Regards and merry X-MAS !    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:21:52 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> # Subject: Re: GUI aplication on VMS. * Message-ID: <3FEA49C0.7030908@comcast.net>  F How do you get the "DEC Keypad" to work in Reflection X?   I've never  been able to figure it out!    Fabio Cardoso wrote:  w >koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<OUT$Wp$Ewabk@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  >    > i >>In article <96faaf36.0312240232.11c885f7@posting.google.com>, avs@nikom.tagil.ru (Andrey Savin) writes:  >>     >> >>>Hi,9 >>>The VXT Terminal too old and anyone has thoughts that  - >>>possible use instead of the VXT Terminal,  % >>>important to there to be X-Server. 	 >>>        >>> E >>   I've been using my VXT with my Alpha since the day I bought them  >>   together.  Works great. >>     >> > ? >Try a X-Terminal Software like Reflection X ! It works fine !   >  >Regards and merry X-MAS !   >  >FC  >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:26:51 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>2 Subject: Microsoft's Christmas gift: another bug !) Message-ID: <3FEA4AD3.B1F0FF90@istop.com>   P http://www.reseaux-telecoms.com/alerte_btree/03_12_11_175622_816/CSO/Alerte_view   (in french)   % Basically, if you have HTML such as :   / <a href="http://www.heaven.org@www.satan.com">    K with a 0x01 character just after the @, Microsoft's exploder will only show J "www.heaven.org" to the user as a link, but when the user clicks on it, it takes it to www.satan.com   L One mass mailing has already advised users to go to a www.visa.com to updateL their credit card profile, but the folks are actually taken to the spammer's	 web site.   L Thank you Microsoft for another good story/joke ! (for those of us who don't= use Microsoft software, all those stories are entertaining !)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 03:10:58 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>6 Subject: Re: Microsoft's Christmas gift: another bug !* Message-ID: <3FEA5542.7030401@prodigy.net>   JF Mezei wrote:   R > http://www.reseaux-telecoms.com/alerte_btree/03_12_11_175622_816/CSO/Alerte_view > 
 > (in french)  > ' > Basically, if you have HTML such as :  > 1 > <a href="http://www.heaven.org@www.satan.com">   > M > with a 0x01 character just after the @, Microsoft's exploder will only show L > "www.heaven.org" to the user as a link, but when the user clicks on it, it > takes it to www.satan.com  > N > One mass mailing has already advised users to go to a www.visa.com to updateN > their credit card profile, but the folks are actually taken to the spammer's > web site.   K I got that e-mail.  It was pretty easy to see what was going on in Mozilla.    > N > Thank you Microsoft for another good story/joke ! (for those of us who don't? > use Microsoft software, all those stories are entertaining !)      --  G After being targeted with gigabytes of trash by the "SWEN" worm, I have F concluded we must conceal our e-mail address.  Our true address is theF mirror image of what you see before the "@" symbol.  It's a shame such( steps are necessary.          ...Charlie   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:55:24 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS org- Message-ID: <87smjaje2b.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   0 spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:  ' > Wow! When was that? What was it like?   B Well, CDC had a `Sack the VAX' add. Trade in your 780 for a shinny new Cyber 860.  A Result was one query about a Cyber, and 39 calls "If you have any  780s, can you let us know..."    Oh, and a new ad agency :)   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 14:14:40 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: OpenVMS org3 Message-ID: <sPcFdZK2693z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <b096a4ee.0312240652.68291a1a@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:x > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<RLXILGvd2fLh@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  F >>    Guess again.  I recall days in which VMS was advertized.  I also > ' > Wow! When was that? What was it like?   D    Life was good.  If you had a software based system to do you just@    had to figure which VAX to buy.  Nobody wondered why you were@    buying a VAX except a few IBM die-hards that you let sit in aE    corner and think typing JCL in got easier because it was layed out     as an ISPF panel input.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:12:44 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> @ Subject: OT: VOS (Was: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL)3 Message-ID: <3FEA2B7C.49343261@applied-synergy.com>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > f > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICENGCIAA.tom@kednos.com>... > [...]  > 
 > Tom Linden: G > > /* > Why not just use PL/I,which has those functions, of course, it  > > /* doesn't have  > > /* > arbitrary precision.  >  > Alan E. Feldman: > > /* Just as an aside: > > /*M > > /* Stratus VOS does exactly this for arithmetic and logical operators. It G > > /* also does exponentiation with the ** operator and it is floating 
 > > /* point.     F Is Stratus VOS derived from Harris's Vulcan Operating System? (aka VOS in later versions)  G If so, that is one of my top three favorite CLIs.  VMS, Harris VOS, and C DG AOS all have very nice scripting capabilities.  Each one has its E strengths.  It would be great to have a CLI with the best features of  each all in one place.  1 OTOH, we could just use REXX for the CLI.  <grin>   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:03:30 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0: - Message-ID: <87oetyjdot.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:    D >> I have a VT320 connected by an MMJ cable to a VAXstation 4000/60.F >> When in an editor, the terminal output is scrambled, like there hadD >> been dropouts, line noise etc.  (The cable is quite short.)  ThisC >> persists even after SET TERM/INQ etc.  If I then SET HOST/LAT or ? >> TELNET to the same machine or another one (in the cluster or ( >> outside it), the terminal works fine.  A It could be a 423-232 issue. I had an embarasing incedent with an ? Infoserver, it would work with a VT320, but seemed totally dead  pluged into a VXT1500!  @ Worse, the manual said to use a VT320, and we ALL know they mean terminal, not realy VT320...  D The other issue is that consoles are evil for lack of buffering, andA data overruns. The margins are so tight in some cases that LAT or = a net `set host' or other system load can change the level of 7 `drible' on your OPA0:, so check your setup on the 320.   ' You don't have smooth scroll on do you?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:20:59 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0: $ Message-ID: <bscour$6kn$2@online.de>  < In article <87oetyjdot.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi  <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:    > It could be a 423-232 issue.    < I don't think so.  In other cases, the 423 (MMJ) works fine.  ) > You don't have smooth scroll on do you?    No.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 14:12:09 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0: 3 Message-ID: <NDHlRCzGXjfP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <bsc677$mh2$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > J > There is an MMJ cable between a VT320 used as the console (S3 switch is J > up, shows up as OPA0:).  If I log in directly to the console, I see the ? > garbled output.  Now, already logged in to the console, I do   >  >    $ SET HOST/LAT <node> > J > where <node> is either the node for which this terminal is the console, D > or another node.  In both cases, the scrambled output goes away.  I > However, in both cases the same MMJ cable is my only connection to the  
 > cluster.      Now that's strange.  B    If you do a set terminal/inquire on the first system, and again@    after you set host/lat, do you get the same results from show    terminal?  A    The closest I've seen to the same problem was using an old Mac @    TELNET program that would claim to be a DEC terminal, but not@    actually accept 8-bit.  I had to set terminal/noeight just if    I used that program.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:18:21 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply). Subject: Re: strange behaviour of IF statement$ Message-ID: <bscopt$6kn$1@online.de>  : In article <3FE9E153.A98F2C8@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:   > > When you say that J is not defined, is that really the case?  > Yes.  Inspection of the code shows that it is never defined...  ? > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  >  \X\  $ ...and I also get a similar warning.  A I've since corrected the original problem.  However, even if the  I original big procedure wasn't completely correct, I can't see how making  - the change I mentioned could change anything.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:47:37 +0000 ) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> . Subject: Re: strange behaviour of IF statement9 Message-ID: <bscu1a$c3en2$1@ID-207001.news.uni-berlin.de>    Phillip,  . You don't say what the differing behaviour is!  F One guess, though is that DCL has to parse the inner IF on the way to I finding the matching ENDIF for the outer IF and so on the way may detect   an undefined variable.  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > The original code is quite long, so I haven't tried to come up with a  > compact example yet. > ! > Basically, I had something like  > ) >    $  IF STRING .NES. "" .AND. J .LT. I  >    $  THEN >    $    K = J  >    $    GOTO SOME_LABEL 
 >    $  ENDIF  > @ > In some circumstances, however, J is not defined, namely when  >  >    STRING .EQS. "" > # > Thus, I changed the code above to  >  >    $  IF STRING .NES. ""   >    $  THEN >    $    IF J .LT. I  >    $    THEN >    $      K = J  >    $      GOTO SOME_LABEL  >    $    ENDIF 
 >    $  ENDIF  > J > It seems to me that the two constructs are logically equivalent, except A > that, as desired, the second one will not test J .LT. I unless  E > STRING .NES. "".  However, I get different behaviour using the two  C > constructs above for the case the J IS defined.  How can this be?  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:34:22 +0000 ) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> . Subject: Re: strange behaviour of IF statement9 Message-ID: <bsd0ov$c433d$1@ID-207001.news.uni-berlin.de>   A IN reply to my own post! I tried the following command procedure:    $  string="" $  i=1 $  IF STRING .NES. ""  $  THEN  $    IF J .LT. I	 $    THEN  $      K = J $      GOTO SOME_LABEL
 $    ENDIF $  ENDIF  7 and it ran withut error, as would be expected, I think.   E Setting variable string to some value, though, gives me an undefined  L variable J when it tries to execute the inner IF. Again, expected behaviour.   I'm running on 7.3-1 on Alpha.   Tony Arnold wrote:
 > Phillip, > 0 > You don't say what the differing behaviour is! > H > One guess, though is that DCL has to parse the inner IF on the way to K > finding the matching ENDIF for the outer IF and so on the way may detect   > an undefined variable. > 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > I >> The original code is quite long, so I haven't tried to come up with a   >> compact example yet.  >>" >> Basically, I had something like >>* >>    $  IF STRING .NES. "" .AND. J .LT. I
 >>    $  THEN  >>    $    K = J >>    $    GOTO SOME_LABEL >>    $  ENDIF >>@ >> In some circumstances, however, J is not defined, namely when >>    STRING .EQS. ""  >>$ >> Thus, I changed the code above to >>& >>    $  IF STRING .NES. ""    $  THEN >>    $    IF J .LT. I >>    $    THEN  >>    $      K = J >>    $      GOTO SOME_LABEL >>    $    ENDIF >>    $  ENDIF >>D >> It seems to me that the two constructs are logically equivalent, I >> except that, as desired, the second one will not test J .LT. I unless  F >> STRING .NES. "".  However, I get different behaviour using the two D >> constructs above for the case the J IS defined.  How can this be? >> >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:42:13 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: sysman$node_table$ Message-ID: <bsctn5$br8$1@online.de>  F I'm looking for a way to specify logical names within sysman commands.    Ideally, I want to be able to do      SYSMAN> DO @LOCATION:FILE  1 where LOCATION is a logical name.  Alternatively,   '    SYSMAN> SET PROFILE/DEFAULT=LOCATION     SYSMAN> DO @FILE    would be OK.  2 If I fire up SYSMAN with just the defaults then do   SET PROF/DEF=LOCATION   H this seems to work, even though LOCATION is defined only in the process G table of the process which started SYSMAN.  If I first do the SET PROF   then SET ENV/CLUSTER, I get:  N    %SYSMAN-I-PROFRESET, profile on remote nodes has been reset to UAF defaults  G However, if I do a DIR command, I am indeed in LOCATION (which was not  2 where I was when I fired up SYSMAN) on every node.  7 If I first do SET ENV/CLUSTER then SET PROF/DEF, I get:   ;    %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node <remote_node>   G for the non-local nodes.  Nevertheless, the DIR command shows that the  4 default directory is indeed LOCATION, on every node.   DO @LOCATION:FILE doesn't work.   I None of the above is changed if I do SET PROF/PRIV=ALL.  The account has  3 READALL and OPER enabled by default and has SETPRV.   I I would have thought that SYSMAN$NODE_TABLE would be the place to define  E logicals which SYSMAN knows about, but this doesn't seem to work for  8 directory specifications (it works fine for node lists).   What am I missing?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:41:07 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> Subject: Re: sysman$node_table: Message-ID: <DTtGb.2132$Cx.134@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   H > I'm looking for a way to specify logical names within sysman commands. > " > Ideally, I want to be able to do >  >    SYSMAN> DO @LOCATION:FILE > 3 > where LOCATION is a logical name.  Alternatively,  > ) >    SYSMAN> SET PROFILE/DEFAULT=LOCATION  >    SYSMAN> DO @FILE  >  > would be OK. > 4 > If I fire up SYSMAN with just the defaults then do >  > SET PROF/DEF=LOCATION  > J > this seems to work, even though LOCATION is defined only in the process I > table of the process which started SYSMAN.  If I first do the SET PROF   > then SET ENV/CLUSTER, I get: > P >    %SYSMAN-I-PROFRESET, profile on remote nodes has been reset to UAF defaults > I > However, if I do a DIR command, I am indeed in LOCATION (which was not  4 > where I was when I fired up SYSMAN) on every node. > 9 > If I first do SET ENV/CLUSTER then SET PROF/DEF, I get:  > = >    %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node <remote_node>r > I > for the non-local nodes.  Nevertheless, the DIR command shows that the a6 > default directory is indeed LOCATION, on every node. > ! > DO @LOCATION:FILE doesn't work.& > K > None of the above is changed if I do SET PROF/PRIV=ALL.  The account has u5 > READALL and OPER enabled by default and has SETPRV.D > K > I would have thought that SYSMAN$NODE_TABLE would be the place to define  G > logicals which SYSMAN knows about, but this doesn't seem to work for  : > directory specifications (it works fine for node lists). >  > What am I missing? >   $ I have used this trick many times...   SYSMAN> set env/clusttB SYSMAN> do pipe (define location disk:[dir] ;  @location:filename)  1 notice the spacing around this semi-colon ^^^^^^^    Michael Austin.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:03:09 -0600 , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>* Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome/ Message-ID: <vujondg36acn9e@corp.supernews.com>A  L As I understand it, Superdome does not support soft partitions as the biggerK Alpha boxes do.  Something to do with the console subsystem.  I *think* one-I can create soft partitions within previously created hard partitions with I VMS on a Superdome.  So an 8 cylinder hard partition can have a pair of 4dK cylinder VMS soft partitions.  Hope others will chime in and correct what'sr% incorrect with the above assumptions.e   Dave...M  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagew# news:3FE9D8A9.DE0789B2@istop.com...t > Guy Peleg wrote: > >l- > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13315  >eJ > What does Superdome offer ? Is it just 32 or whatever processors or does it< > offer Galaxy capabilities with multiple instances of VMS ?   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 14:17:52 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)2* Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome3 Message-ID: <BUTvvu9z0OM1@eisner.encompasserve.org>D  f In article <driGb.11239$c05.4455@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> writes:+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13315   4    Cool.   But can't help thinking we knew it would!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:04:13 -0800i# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t@ Subject: RE: VOS (Was: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL)9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEPDCIAA.tom@kednos.com>   + I think I have made that suggestion before.l      /* -----Original Message-----R9 /* From: Chris Scheers [mailto:chris@applied-synergy.com]o- /* Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 4:13 PM, /* To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComC /* Subject: OT: VOS (Was: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL)- /* - /* a /* "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:  /* >  4 /* > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message 8 /* news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICENGCIAA.tom@kednos.com>...
 /* > [...] /* > s /* > Tom Linden:J /* > > /* > Why not just use PL/I,which has those functions, of course, it /* > > /* doesn't have  /* > > /* > arbitrary precision. /* > e /* > Alan E. Feldman:  /* > > /* Just as an aside: 	 /* > > /* C /* > > /* Stratus VOS does exactly this for arithmetic and logical u /* operators. ItJ /* > > /* also does exponentiation with the ** operator and it is floating /* > > /* point. /* s /* eI /* Is Stratus VOS derived from Harris's Vulcan Operating System? (aka VOS* /* in later versions)% /* -J /* If so, that is one of my top three favorite CLIs.  VMS, Harris VOS, andF /* DG AOS all have very nice scripting capabilities.  Each one has itsH /* strengths.  It would be great to have a CLI with the best features of /* each all in one place.2 /*  4 /* OTOH, we could just use REXX for the CLI.  <grin> /* .J /* -----------------------------------------------------------------------' /* Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.. /* *F /* Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com  /*   Fax: 817-237-3074 /* * /* ---) /* Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.e= /* Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).aD /* Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 /* * --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2003 10:53:11 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)8 Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312241053.63aa7664@posting.google.com>   m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0312240613.192c1c25@posting.google.com>... u > spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0312232044.2bff08d7@posting.google.com>...aq > > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0312191533.7f809ec9@posting.google.com>...o [...].	 > > [...]6E > > > because it is all b.s., just like slowaris and sparkies are ...- > > 	 > > Bob, - > > J > > Please stop using terms like "slowaris". I mean really -- do I have to > > explain why? Thanks. > >  > >  > > Alan E. Feldman  >  > do I have to explain why?e   OK. I'll go first: n  D It sounds juvenile, Bob. And you've said it way too many times. IT'SE JUVENILE. It doesn't really help. Besides, the topic was the accuracy A of VMS CERTs, not speed. Bringing up irrelevant points makes your  arguments look weak.  A So go ahead, Bob: Explain to us why you must repeat this juvenile  behavior ad nauseam.   Alan E. Feldman-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:09:33 -0800M/ From: Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com>u8 Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that .../ Message-ID: <vuks8eigsasq48@corp.supernews.com>d   Alan E. Feldman wrote:     > OK. I'll go first: s > F > It sounds juvenile, Bob. And you've said it way too many times. IT'SG > JUVENILE. It doesn't really help. Besides, the topic was the accuracytC > of VMS CERTs, not speed. Bringing up irrelevant points makes yourS > arguments look weak. > C > So go ahead, Bob: Explain to us why you must repeat this juvenileY > behavior ad nauseam.  = Help me with something here. How is Bob using "slowlaris" any ; different than the frequent use of "Itanic" or "chumpaq" or1 similar terms?   - Greg --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:27:59 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>8 Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...* Message-ID: <3FEA755F.4010400@prodigy.net>   Greg Cagle wrote:p   > Alan E. Feldman wrote: >  >  >> OK. I'll go first: G >> It sounds juvenile, Bob. And you've said it way too many times. IT'S H >> JUVENILE. It doesn't really help. Besides, the topic was the accuracyD >> of VMS CERTs, not speed. Bringing up irrelevant points makes your >> arguments look weak.e >>D >> So go ahead, Bob: Explain to us why you must repeat this juvenile >> behavior ad nauseam.p >  > ? > Help me with something here. How is Bob using "slowlaris" anyl= > different than the frequent use of "Itanic" or "chumpaq" or, > similar terms? >  > - Greg  = I've seen Itanic used even by Itanium advocates.  It's nearlyt
 pervasive.   -- dG After being targeted with gigabytes of trash by the "SWEN" worm, I haveaF concluded we must conceal our e-mail address.  Our true address is theF mirror image of what you see before the "@" symbol.  It's a shame such( steps are necessary.          ...Charlie   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.712 ************************