1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 28 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 718       Contents:= Actual code and error message: procedure using external value 
 DCL user info  Re: DCL user info  Re: DCL user info , Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL Re: My Holiday Wishes  Re: My Holiday Wishes # Re: OpenVMS and Windows workgroups.  Re: Problem with CSWS V2! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome  Re: vms to ALPHA/DEC migration3 Re: Weird backup and shadow copy performance on VMS 3 Re: Weird backup and shadow copy performance on VMS 7 Re: [xMas OT] talking about Raven Shield and such games   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:10:29 GMT  From: notValid@yahoo.comF Subject: Actual code and error message: procedure using external value8 Message-ID: <6plsuv0f7ih15pejg3l747mmcgtfr86lrj@4ax.com>   Code consisted of:   linkage section. copy  "nameofcopylib"    where the copylib has )       01  FNCI-FUNCTION-INFO IS EXTERNAL. 2             05 fnci-lower-element stuff pic x().  $ 	all elements add up to 117 char....  + Procedure division using fnc-function-info.    AND HERE IS THE Error message     # 01  FNCI-FUNCTION-INFO IS EXTERNAL. F                   %COBOL-E-EXTERN, EXTERNAL valid only for named 01 or 77   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Dec 2003 00:36:29 GMT! From: neilfree@aol.com (NEILFREE)  Subject: DCL user info: Message-ID: <20031227193629.19782.00001174@mb-m01.aol.com>  J Can anyone tell me why the "OWNER" argument with F$GETJPI returns nothing?  & $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETJPI("","OWNER")   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:05:47 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: DCL user info6 Message-ID: <3FEE2C6B.6EBD0D6C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   NEILFREE wrote:  > L > Can anyone tell me why the "OWNER" argument with F$GETJPI returns nothing? > ( > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETJPI("","OWNER")  
 According to:   E http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/9996/9996pro_031.html#green_19   E ..."OWNER" returns "Process identification number of process owner. "    Example:, $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETJPI("","OWNER"),"""" "  $ spawn ) %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process DJESYS_67 spawned ; %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process DJESYS_67 , $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETJPI("","OWNER"),""""	 226038B6"   @ Apparently, the same as MASTER_PID, at least in case of a SPAWN.  . What piece of info are you trying to retrieve?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:47:14 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: DCL user info/ Message-ID: <00A2B03A.B0A94929.1@tachysoft.com>   A >From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  >  >NEILFREE wrote: >>  M >> Can anyone tell me why the "OWNER" argument with F$GETJPI returns nothing?  >>  ) >> $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETJPI("","OWNER")  >  >According to: > F >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/9996/9996pro_031.html#green_19 > F >..."OWNER" returns "Process identification number of process owner. " > 	 >Example: - >$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETJPI("","OWNER"),""""  >" >$ spawn* >%DCL-S-SPAWNED, process DJESYS_67 spawned< >%DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process DJESYS_67- >$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETJPI("","OWNER"),"""" 
 >226038B6" > A >Apparently, the same as MASTER_PID, at least in case of a SPAWN.  > / >What piece of info are you trying to retrieve?  >     O Perhaps he was expecting the contents of the UAF "Owner:" field for the account  the process was running under.O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy."1    Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:45:47 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <3FEE0B9B.97A0BD15@applied-synergy.com>    Guy Peleg wrote: > N > Okay, you have convinced me that F$MATH is a bad idea. I will look at native > floating point supportH > and the amount of efforts involved. Who knows maybe we will be able to > provide it for V8.2......  >  > More to come soon..... >  > Guy   $ F$MATH isn't necessarily a bad idea.  E Looking beyond simple FP support to the next step, I assume that some ? sort of support for functions (SIN, SQRT, etc.) might be added.   E Assuming that you don't want to burden the main DCL parser with these @ (maybe it isn't a problem?), support for these function could be1 provided through something like F$MATH or F$EVAL.   F If you are going to go that route anyways, continued support shouldn'tG be a problem and these lexical(s) could be implemented first to provide  preliminary FP support.   C I would still strongly urge support for FP as a native DCL type and  direct use in expressions.    = > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in message / > news:EWTFb.11204$bD4.3662@news.cpqcorp.net... 
 > > Hi Folks,  > > : > > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > > D > > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point > arithmetic1 > > in DCL. The intention is to support something  > > similar to the following:  > > 
 > > a=1.23
 > > b=2.44 > >  > > write sys$output a+b > > 3.67 > > C > > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  > > J > > If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short: > > justification. Assuming the response will be positive,* > > I will try to implement this for V8.2. > > & > > Merry Christmas and happy new year > >  > > Guy   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:41:36 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <3FEE0AA0.5CB9D9F8@applied-synergy.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > I > In article <bseosf$c9rmt$4@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger ) > <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> writes:  > + > > On 2003-12-23 10:30, "Guy Peleg" wrote:  > > < > > > Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS.... > > > Q > > > I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point arithmetic 3 > > > in DCL. The intention is to support something  > > > similar to the following:  > E > > > My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and *  > > > L > > > If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short< > > > justification. Assuming the response will be positive,, > > > I will try to implement this for V8.2. > > . > > I've just reviewed a few of my procedures. > > J > > Yes, floating point arithmetic would be great for many of them; but itK > > would break most of them if the default behaviour (i.e., integers only) @ > > would be changed. So the F$MATH approach would be preferred. > J > I think two things should be rather obvious.  First, existing proceduresJ > should not break.  Second, there is no point in introducing a half-bakedH > solution which will probably have to be supported forever (or, if not,J > whose deprecation will annoy those who started to use it) just to get itC > a little more quickly, as opposed to a similar solution later on.  > B > I like F$MATH or F$EVALUATE since they certainly won't break anyA > existing procedures.  Of course, one should have something like A > F$MATH(1.2*3+5.6/23.3) and not F$MATH(DIV,2.3,4.2) or whatever.  > D > If there is a problem with the result being a string, why not have* > F$FLOAT etc as an analogue to F$INTEGER? > G > If it is to be done in DCL directly, then, to avoid breaking existing * > procedures, one will need something like > 5 >    $  SET PROCESS/MATH_STYLE={TRADITIONAL|ADVANCED}  > & > or whatever.  But I don't like that.    H As long as the operations are type sensitive and operations with integerG operands do integer operations, e.g., 5/2 produces 2 and not 2.5, there 9 shouldn't be a problem with breaking existing procedures.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:53:04 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL + Message-ID: <3FEE5408.120B41E4@pacbell.net>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Don Sykes wrote: > > L > > For my $.02 I'd like to have an implicit symbol assignment, like we have > > with > > symbol := "the string"
 > > maybe, > > float_symbol %= 3.17 >  > Why not just:  >  > $ float_symbol = 3.17  > D > ...and have DCL be sensitive to the presence of the "." implying a > floating point assignment.  D I guess that would be ok too, since there shouldn't be any conflicts@ with existing DCL scripts. ie an existing one would have given : $ float_symbol = 3.17 G %DCL-W-IVOPER, unrecognized operator in expression - check spelling and  syntax  \.17\   > E > Naturally, it follows that this should have an equivalent to BASICs  > OPTIONs, say - for example:  >  > $ SET ENVIRONMENT-% >         [/DEFAULT=ddcu:<path>-] !*1 2 >         [/REAL={SINGLE|DOUBLE|G_FLOAT|H_FLOAT}-]+ >         [/INTEGER={BYTE|LONG|QUAD|OCTA}-]  >         [/TYPE=EXPLICIT-] % >         [/PROTECTION=(mask)-]   !*2 % >         [/MESSAGE=(keyword(s))-]!*3  > ! > *1: Synonymous with SET DEFAULT , > *2: Synonymous with SET PROTECTION/DEFAULT! > *3: Synonymous with SET MESSAGE  > ? > ...and other qualifiers as per HELP Lexicals F$ENVIRONMENT(); - > counterpart command SHOW ENVIRONMENT[/ALL].   F Even better, I think, as a superset of the existing "set process". SetG environment should provide all the options of the existing set process.  Set process could also include   	/float_mask=0.00000  	/float_round_style=up/down/noneA which would determine how floating point values were displayed by 	 default.     --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:24:18 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 0 Message-ID: <wOWdnbsNLYCe9HOiRVn-hw@comcast.com>  B It IS important to get it right the first time.  Once the code is + released to customers, we're stuck with it. G Remember "quota exceeded" messages that don't tell you which quota was  D exceeded?  There's no way to fix it now; once it got out of the lab > customer dependence on the behavior had to be assumed. . . .    > Discussing it here is one good way to ensure that whatever is H implemented will meet our current needs and be expandable/extendable to   meet unanticipated future needs.   Chris Scheers wrote:   >Guy Peleg wrote:  >    > N >>Okay, you have convinced me that F$MATH is a bad idea. I will look at native >>floating point supportH >>and the amount of efforts involved. Who knows maybe we will be able to >>provide it for V8.2......  >> >>More to come soon..... >> >>Guy  >>     >> > % >F$MATH isn't necessarily a bad idea.  > F >Looking beyond simple FP support to the next step, I assume that some@ >sort of support for functions (SIN, SQRT, etc.) might be added. > F >Assuming that you don't want to burden the main DCL parser with theseA >(maybe it isn't a problem?), support for these function could be 2 >provided through something like F$MATH or F$EVAL. > G >If you are going to go that route anyways, continued support shouldn't H >be a problem and these lexical(s) could be implemented first to provide >preliminary FP support. > D >I would still strongly urge support for FP as a native DCL type and >direct use in expressions.  >  >  >    > = >>"Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in message / >>news:EWTFb.11204$bD4.3662@news.cpqcorp.net...  >>     >> >>>Hi Folks, >>> 9 >>>Here is your chance to influence the future of VMS....  >>> C >>>I have investigated the possibility of supporting floating point 	 >>>        >>>  >>arithmetic >>     >>0 >>>in DCL. The intention is to support something >>>similar to the following: >>> 	 >>>a=1.23 	 >>>b=2.44  >>>  >>>write sys$output a+b  >>>3.67  >>> B >>>My intention is to support the following operands : +,-,/ and * >>> I >>>If this feature is important to you please drop me a line with a short 9 >>>justification. Assuming the response will be positive, ) >>>I will try to implement this for V8.2.  >>> % >>>Merry Christmas and happy new year  >>>  >>>Guy	 >>>        >>>  > H >-----------------------------------------------------------------------% >Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  > D >Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com  >  Fax: 817-237-3074 >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:14:49 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> Subject: Re: My Holiday Wishes2 Message-ID: <ZMydna91JK_HmXOiRVn-jA@mpowercom.net>  9 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message 3 news:bsim37$cm8uu$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de...  > A > This has obviously gone way OT, but as a Theology Major with an ? > interest in Traditional Catholic Liturgy I find the number of B > people in this small group who are familiar with (and apparently8 > still understand) these Latin snippets rather curious. > K It shouldn't be a surprise.  A good grasp of the technical doesn't preclude L some sort of classical education as well.  I had four years of lingua latinaK Romanae in high school, Virgil, Cicero, even a little Ovid, would have kept A going but I'd already gone past the pathetic Latin program at the L university.  There's still a place for a balanced education, doesn't hurt toG mix a little bit of history, eonomics, language, and philosophy in with ' queueing theory and numerical analysis.   L Perhaps if Microsoft had hired a marketdroid with some Latin background theyL would not have chosen Mozart's "Requiem" for their infamous background musicA when they put together that TV ad asking "Where do you want to go I today"...while the chorus (in Latin) were singing "Confutatis maledictis, J flammis acribus addictis"  (the damned and cursed, consigned to the flames	 of Hell).    Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:36:56 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: My Holiday Wishes0 Message-ID: <yIudnXbP9qRU3HOiRVn-ug@comcast.com>  G One can acquire a nodding aquaintance with Latin and/or Catholic Latin  C Liturgy without ever having studied Latin or even believing in God.   E I could follow most of the Latin without great difficulty although I  A have never studied Latin and probably could not pronounce it all  H correctly.  I picked up most of it from Katherine Kurtz's Deryni series.   Freely translated:  L Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.  - The peace of the Lord be with you always.  , Et cum spiritu tuo.   -- And with thy spirt.  & Deo omnis gloria  -- All glory to God.   Revertere ad lucum tuum  -- ??  = Introibo ad altare Dei  --  I will go up to the altar of God.      Bill Gunshannon wrote:  5 >In article <3fec801d$0$17138$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, & >	Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes: >    >  >>Fabio Cardoso wrote: >> >>     >>` >>>Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3febe661$0$1181$636a55ce@news.free.fr>... >>> 	 >>>        >>>  >>>>David J. Dachtera wrote: >>>> >>>>         >>>>G >>>>>My wish for the group and for all with whom we share this world is  >>>>>simple: >>>>>  >>>>>Peace in our days.  >>>>> $ >>>>>Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum. >>>>>            >>>>>  >>>>Et cum spiritu tuo.  >>>> >>>>(this one was easy :-) >>>> >>>>D. >>>>Deo omnis gloria >>>>         >>>>  >>>Revertere ad lucum tuum ! :-)	 >>>        >>> ' >>But before... Introibo ad altare Dei.  >> >>D. >> >>     >> >  > @ >This has obviously gone way OT, but as a Theology Major with an> >interest in Traditional Catholic Liturgy I find the number ofA >people in this small group who are familiar with (and apparently 7 >still understand) these Latin snippets rather curious.  >  >bill  >  >    >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:12:31 GMT   From: "NoSpam" <nomail@spam.not>, Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows workgroups.7 Message-ID: <zSrHb.36220$ms2.17440@fe2.columbus.rr.com>   J Give XP Pro a secondary fixed IP, you can do this even if you use DHCP for3 the workgroup. Then simple Telnet to the Alpha box.   / <blah@blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.com> wrote in message 2 news:vsqtuv0s31te2v8sdg4oi58nlekf9oqv78@4ax.com... > Greetings all, >  > OpenVMS 7.3-1  > Windows XP Pro > HP TCP/IP services > D > Can an Alphaserver running OpenVMS connect to a windows workgroup?F > The PCs in this workgroup do not belong to a domain and therefore doG > not have IP addresses assigned.  I have given the Alpha an IP address G > but as far as I'm aware this is meaningless in the workgroup context.  >  > Is DECnet a possibility? >  > Thanks in advance. > Dave.    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Dec 2003 22:26:19 GMT! From: neilfree@aol.com (NEILFREE) ! Subject: Re: Problem with CSWS V2 : Message-ID: <20031227172619.14392.00001613@mb-m14.aol.com>  H Try removing the user APACHE$WWW and also the identifier from the rights/ database and then re-running the APACHE$CONFIG.   < The following 2 lines should be added to systartup_vms.com:-   $ @SYS$STARTUP:APACHE$LOGICALS! $ @SYS$STARTUP:APACHE$STARTUP.COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 06:38:20 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>* Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome3 Message-ID: <wTuHb.11246$cu6.4504@news.cpqcorp.net>   I The official limit is 32 CPUs in one box. On GS1280 you can go to 64 CPUs ( but you need to use two hard partitions.  J Just between us when no one else is watching....I have seen VMS running on 64 CPUs gs1280.....    Don't quote me....   Guy 7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3FECB3B4.457B930C@istop.com...  > Nic Clews wrote:J > > Maybe that was because it is son-of-superdome that VMS is destined forC > > multi partition environment, windjammer if memory serves right.  > J > Pardon my ignorance, but what is the maximum number of CPUs that VMS can > support in one instance ? L > I was under the (perhaps wrong) impression that VMS had a limit well below 64H > CPUs and that this was one of the reasons for Wildfires since it would allow B > multiple instances of VMS, none of which exceeded the CPU limit. > $ > Can anyone clarify the situation ? > K > In the statement that VMS runs on Superdome, does this mean that it would  have7 > been a 64 CPU machine with a single instance of VMS ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:13:28 GMT  From: notValid@yahoo.com' Subject: Re: vms to ALPHA/DEC migration 8 Message-ID: <hvlsuvko3kbqmqh745f18gl3u3i06168d9@4ax.com>   true enough. openvms is sort of assumed.   / the alpha/dec cobol is the part that throws me. C why in gods name would they say    dec cobol ? other than to save a & few char dec/cobol versus alpha/cobol.  ; then again. what do they call a unit of itanium/cobol code? F but of course?  I C U  (nah. its too far a stretch for a bad joke like that)    >  > E >actually, what you probably meant to say was VAX Cobol to AlphA/DEC   >Cobol both on OpenVMS.  >  >Michael >    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2003 17:24:41 -0800/ From: prosullivan@aol.com (prosullivan@aol.com) < Subject: Re: Weird backup and shadow copy performance on VMS= Message-ID: <a14b767a.0312271724.3d64091d@posting.google.com>   : 1. Are the offending physical drives the exact same model?9 2. Are the drives in the same place on a different shelf? F 3. What happens when you just run a shadow copy of the worst volumes -6 no other shadow merge. Does that run in the same time.E I am sure you have already checked the /NOHIGH /DELETE qualifiers etc  on the volumes concerned.    regards    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2003 20:59:08 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) < Subject: Re: Weird backup and shadow copy performance on VMS= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312272059.2d41c608@posting.google.com>   e jmckinney@icehouse.net (jim) wrote in message news:<c740d2.0312182337.37db5e09@posting.google.com>... H > We are experiencing some really strange behavior on our AS1200 runningE > VMS 7.2-1 We have 14 shadow sets and just recently two of them have B > started taking forever to copy after they are split for backups.  A If you don't have Availability Manager (or DECamds) installed, it A would be helpful to put that into place.  It can help you observe > things like I/O rates and will detect lock contention for you.  B It would be worth looking at what the process doing backup and theB Shadow_Server process (on the node(s) doing the "slow" shadow copyC thread(s) -- to learn how to determine which node is doing a shadow C copy, see my DECUS presentation on OpenVMS Volume Shadowing Merge & @ Copy Performance at http://www2.openvms.org/kparris/) tend to beD waiting on during the problem times -- are they waiting on an I/O toB complete (in SDA, a SHOW PROCESS/CHANNELS will tend to show a BusyD channel) or for a lock request (in SDA, a SHOW PROCESS/LOCKS displayC will include a lock request waiting or converting to another mode).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:32:38 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>@ Subject: Re: [xMas OT] talking about Raven Shield and such games4 Message-ID: <3fee16f1$0$19277$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  = I use Windows XP and Netscape 7 and it opens only one window. 2 I do not have Pop up windows restrictione enabled.   D.   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <3fed9e3f$0$7135$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, ' > 	Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:  > 1 >>Hey, I found that: http://www.americasarmy.com/  >  > F > Sure glad I didn't try that URL on a PC.  I didn't stick around longD > enough to see what it was trying to do but it opened about a dozen > different browser windows. >  > bill >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.718 ************************