1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 31 Dec 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 724       Contents:P Re: Alphaserver 2100/VMS 7.1-1H2 - Move IP from FDDI Card to Ethernet Card (DE10  Re: Apple Fault Tolerant Cluster Calling Alan E. Feldman  decwindows question  Re: decwindows question  Re: decwindows question  Re: decwindows question  DOSD, shadowing, HBVS minimerge # Re: DOSD, shadowing, HBVS minimerge = Re: DSPP non-communication (was: V7.3-2 shipping problems...)  Re: DynDNS.org client , Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL; influencing the order in which page and swap files are used ? Re: influencing the order in which page and swap files are used ? Re: influencing the order in which page and swap files are used ? Re: influencing the order in which page and swap files are used ( number of ethernet adapters in a cluster, Re: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster Re: recommendation for NPAGEVIR & Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0: Re: VMS 5.5-2H4 and TZ87?  Re: VMS 5.5-2H4 and TZ87? ! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome  VRT17-W3 on DEC 3000/300LX Re: VRT17-W3 on DEC 3000/300LXJ Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in five years .../ Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ... B Re: [Dutch] Book "VAX/VMS Internals and data structures" available  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:45:41 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>Y Subject: Re: Alphaserver 2100/VMS 7.1-1H2 - Move IP from FDDI Card to Ethernet Card (DE10 : Message-ID: <pJjIb.3720$kJ.258@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>  
 Baz wrote:  G > We have a legacy operational Digital Alphaserver 2100 (5/300) running D > OpenVMS 7.1-1H2.  It is used sporadically for accessing historicalG > data and will be made redundant mid/late-2004  consequently there is ( > no budget for investment in this area! > G > This is on it's own FDDI ring, the only remaining device on this ring H > which I want to decommission.  The server has also a separate ethernetD > card which I want to migrate to but I don't know how to, hence theH > query.  I come from a Cisco background and am the 'network guy' here -( > consequently I know zip about VAX/VMS. > H > The box is running IP only and is on the same subnet as other EthernetG > devices.  Consequently, I believe that I only want to reconfigure the @ > TCPIP stack to use the ethernet interface in place of the FDDID > interface, moving the IP address, subnet mask and default gateway. > H > We have a 'VAX/VMS guy' here who drives, waters, feeds etc the machineD > from an apps point of view, but is unsure what to do network-wise. > ( > I've looked at the cards on the back:- > 0 > FDDI Card - operational with solid green lightF > Ethernet Card - 1 RJ45 and 1 AUI - both empty as expected.  RJ45 hasF > solid green light beside it and AUI has light which flashes every 12G > seconds. 'DE101' is stamped on the card which I assume is the type of  > network card.  > F > I would appreciate any assistance available  again please assume no? > Alpha/VMS experience.  These are the network devices listed:-  > G > Device EWA0:, device type TULIP, is online, network device, device is  > a template only.= > Device EWA2:, device type TULIP, is online, network device. = > Device EWA3:, device type TULIP, is online, network device. > > Device EWA10:, device type TULIP, is online, network device. > $ > Thanks in advance for any replies!    H Which TCPIP Stack/Version are you using?  (TCPIP/UCX, Multinet, TCPware)   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2003 12:48:21 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ) Subject: Re: Apple Fault Tolerant Cluster ; Message-ID: <cf15391e.0312301248.5a8161@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FED433D.FB0F17A2@istop.com>... L > I think that if their Deja Vu software works well, this could make Apple a2 > serious contender in high availability clusters.  E It appears the problem they need to solve is that with 1,000 systems, E the odds of one failing during computation on a given problem is very 4 high.  I suspect their solution will be some sort ofD checkpoint/restart method to help reduce the impact when a node diesF (allowing a "spare" node to resume the work of a failed node somewhere) close to where the failed node left off).   C There appear to be many other single points of failure they haven't C dealt with (each node has a single Gigabit Ethernet connection, and E the Cisco switches for this are not redundant; each node has a single B (unmirrored) disk drive; there is a single management node for theF entire complex, and 4 "head" nodes for compilations and job startup --> can it keep a computation going despite a loss of any of those nodes?).  F But then this is a cluster designed for scalability, not availability.D  And its stated goal was to achieve the highest performance possibleF on a limited budget, with price/performance as the main consideration.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:19:09 -0600 5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info>   Subject: Calling Alan E. Feldman9 Message-ID: <bstf7j$1bps7$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>    Hello Alan,   I please get in touch with me at zinser@zinser.no-ip.info. I would like to  J   add your Tapedrive/Grapevine song to my Web collection of fun VMS stuff.   Greetings, Martin   A P.S. I do assume you do not read mail to the spamsink address....    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:21:31 +0100 ; From: jan van mastbergen <jandotvandotmastbergen@planet.nl>  Subject: decwindows question* Message-ID: <bst559$o4f$1@reader11.wxs.nl>  I Just for fun I am tring to get DECWindows running on an old uVax 3100. I  F use the hobbyist VMS 7.2 CD. So far I have managed to get VMS & TCPIP F running, loaded licenses, tweaked sysgen parameters and completed the # dwmotif 1.2-5 installation process. H The box itself has no graphics hardware. My X-server is a PC with WNT2K 7 and Hummingbird Exceed 5.x. This works for other stuff. H Trying to run the decwindows clients (e.g. paint) produces a variety of D errors so far. My first question is: can I configure the machine to A respond to XDMCP requests? I saw no indication of this in the DW   installation Guide.    TIA, Jan van Mastbergen    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:52:15 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: decwindows question) Message-ID: <3FF22BC9.FD30B0EE@istop.com>    jan van mastbergen wrote: I > Trying to run the decwindows clients (e.g. paint) produces a variety of E > errors so far. My first question is: can I configure the machine to B > respond to XDMCP requests? I saw no indication of this in the DW > installation Guide.   B XMD is served though the TCPIP stack.  With TCPIP 5.3, you can useN @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG, go to the server portion and follow the prompts forH the XMD server setup. You may also wish to read the management referenceE manual (available at www.openvms.compaq.com , follow the links to VMS T documentation) for the additional XDM settings that can be made though config files.  K Note that XDM on VMS does NOT support the MIT cookie authentication method.   L Also, make sure you start the TCPIP software before you start the decwidnows software on your machine.   M If the XDM software on VMS is too primitive to support the XDM client on your 6 PC, you can then do the following on your VMS machine:  : SET DISPLAY/CREATE/EXEC/TRANSPORT=TCPIP/NODE=pc.domain.com MC DECW$STARTLOGIN    M The WSA device is "permanent" and will survive ocne the creator process ends. N And STARTLOGIn will give you the standard decw login screen. Once you power upM your PC and start the X terminal program, the login will come in within about I one minute (the login process polls the IP address at regular intervals).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:49:10 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)  Subject: Re: decwindows question; Message-ID: <3ff23926.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   < jan van mastbergen (jandotvandotmastbergen@planet.nl) wrote:K > Just for fun I am tring to get DECWindows running on an old uVax 3100. I  H > use the hobbyist VMS 7.2 CD. So far I have managed to get VMS & TCPIP H > running, loaded licenses, tweaked sysgen parameters and completed the % > dwmotif 1.2-5 installation process. J > The box itself has no graphics hardware. My X-server is a PC with WNT2K 9 > and Hummingbird Exceed 5.x. This works for other stuff. J > Trying to run the decwindows clients (e.g. paint) produces a variety of F > errors so far. My first question is: can I configure the machine to C > respond to XDMCP requests? I saw no indication of this in the DW   > installation Guide.   @ XDMCP is part of TCP/IP, so it's configured and documented there' (see http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc/)   I Also see the OpenVMS FAQ, section 11.15, "How can I enable the DECwindows  TCP/IP Transport".  1 A good test application is DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO.EXE.    Hope it helps,   Martin --  A   OpenVMS DCL        | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer .                      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA   The Original .COM  |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 5                      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:06:50 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)   Subject: Re: decwindows question3 Message-ID: <e3rIb.11427$pu2.2023@news.cpqcorp.net>   h In article <bst559$o4f$1@reader11.wxs.nl>, jan van mastbergen <jandotvandotmastbergen@planet.nl> writes:J :Just for fun I am tring to get DECWindows running on an old uVax 3100. I G :use the hobbyist VMS 7.2 CD. So far I have managed to get VMS & TCPIP  G :running, loaded licenses, tweaked sysgen parameters and completed the  $ :dwmotif 1.2-5 installation process.I :The box itself has no graphics hardware. My X-server is a PC with WNT2K  8 :and Hummingbird Exceed 5.x. This works for other stuff.I :Trying to run the decwindows clients (e.g. paint) produces a variety of  E :errors so far. My first question is: can I configure the machine to  B :respond to XDMCP requests? I saw no indication of this in the DW  :installation Guide.     In no particular order...   D   XDMCP support requires more recent versions of TCP/IP Services and    DECwindows than you have here.  I   Please avoid abbreviating system model names, as it leads to confusion.   H   Please remember to provide details on the "variety of errors", as thatG   phrasing -- in isolation -- is insufficient for a specific diagnosis. ?   Specific details and error message text can be quite helpful.   D   To target the remote X Windows server for the display, use the DCL?   command SET DISPLAY/CREATE command, or other similar command.   E   Depending on which MicroVAX 3100 series box you have, you might not C   have enough physical memory for DECwindows to function -- some of G   these older models often have little physical memory configured, and  H   comparatively poor memory expansion capabilities by current standards.  D   You will need to configure the X Windows server security to accept"   incoming connections, of course.  F   You will need to have a functioning IP network and connectivity with    the X Windows server, as well.  E   Details on "other stuff" would also be useful -- knowing that these E   other boxes function with this server is certainly a useful detail, A   as it indicates that the X Windows server is at least partially D   functional, however.  But you will want to mimic the configurationA   for the "other stuff" here, assuming some (and as-yet unproven) E   degree of compatibility across the X Windows clients involved here.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:46:52 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: DOSD, shadowing, HBVS minimerge$ Message-ID: <bssroc$ab4$3@online.de>  H For a while now, I've been gradually moving from single disks to shadow D sets in my hobbyist cluster (with, except for system disks, members I mounted on different nodes).  I'm also looking forward to 7.3-2 with the  H HBVS minimerge capability, hoping that it will cut down the shadowmerge E times (which are several hours).  I see that I need to move the dump  H file off the system disk for the HBVS minimerge stuff to work.  Reading ? up on this, I find that the dump device cannot be a shadow set.   C After having set up so many shadow sets, and been really happy with D them, it seems a step backward to have to have a single disk for theG dump device (which I would probably use just for the dump device), with + the loss of functionality should it crash.     Am I missing something here?  H I would feel a bit better if I could use the disk for something else as  well.   H One disk where I care about availability but don't care about preservingG the contents is DISK$SCRATCH.  Each account which ever runs SYS$SYLOGIN C gets SYS$SCRATCH redefined to point to a directory on DISK$SCRATCH. C Thus, instead of a shadow set I could imagine some sort of failover D scheme, which would have the advantage that writes would be faster. D (Since SYS$SCRATCH is typically used for temporary files written by ? applications, faster writes would be a noticeable improvement.)   E Thus, perhaps instead of using two physical disks in a shadow set for E DISK$SCRATCH, I could use two physical disks NOT in a shadow set.  My H idea is to define SYS$SCRATCH as a search list, hoping that if the firstE disk fails then the directory on the other disk would be used.  I've  G never used a search list across more than one device, though.  Is this  	 possible?    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:14:40 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis), Subject: Re: DOSD, shadowing, HBVS minimerge. Message-ID: <bst0t0$j5b$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <bssroc$ab4$3@online.de> dated Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:46:52 +0000 (UTC):F >Thus, perhaps instead of using two physical disks in a shadow set forF >DISK$SCRATCH, I could use two physical disks NOT in a shadow set.  MyI >idea is to define SYS$SCRATCH as a search list, hoping that if the first F >disk fails then the directory on the other disk would be used.  I've H >never used a search list across more than one device, though.  Is this 
 >possible?  $ Yes, a search list can span devices.  D No, it won't do what you want.  If a mounted disk which is part of aJ searchlist goes into mountverify, any process attempting to read that diskK (as in "DIR SYS$SCRATCH") will hang.  Processes which attempt to write to a K searchlist will always get the first disk in the list, so it doesn't change  anything there.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:30:07 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> F Subject: Re: DSPP non-communication (was: V7.3-2 shipping problems...)3 Message-ID: <3FF1EE5F.33AB09A6@applied-synergy.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > W > In article <00A2B1B4.DB3C76B6@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: h > > In article <aD0Ib.11307$%o1.2321@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@nospamhp.com> writes:G > >>I've forwarded this to the DSPP team that manages SDKs.  If you are J > >>getting software from DSPP and the shipping info is wrong, please call5 > >>800 249 3294, press 4 and speak to a program rep.  > > P > > Which begs the question... is there anything of any use in this DSPP program > > other than the DSK???  > > Q > > Your post cause me to wonder if I could access the www.hp.com/dspp pages with Q > > my Apple PowerBook G4 and Safari.  I went to the side and found my userid via Q > > a form that asked for my name and email address.  Then, I asked for the pass- * > > word and I was sent this gobbledegook: > >  > > https://passport.hp.com/hpp2/altlogin.do?email=VAXman@tmesis.com&var=OabPNVgx&SMLOCALE=US-EN&hpappid=hpcl&TARGET=https%3A%2F%2Fpassp > > ort.hp.com%2Fhpp2%2Fdologin.do%3Fsmredirect%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fh21007.www2.hp.com%2Fdspp%2Fprot%2Fcomn%2Fcomn_SetDSPPCookie_PRT_IDX  > > O > > I carefully typed it into the URL window of Safari and was presented with a N > > page that asked for the userid.  I entered it and was taken to a page thatP > > says: "Bad login attempt.  Please try again." and then a userid and password > > window.  > > " > > This DPSS thing is impossible! > K > I did not even get that far, as I found it required cookies or Javascript  > (I forget which).     = If you go to http://www.hp.com/go/dbl (the HP replacement for ; BusinessLink), it will not work without JavaScript enabled.   C At the top of the page, there is a link named "Summary of Site-Wide  JavaScript functionality".3 (http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/noscript.html)   ! If you follow this link, it says:   B The hp.com web site employs the JavaScript programming language to? implement some simple effects throughout the site. Its usage is C restricted to ancillary or duplicated functions, in order to ensure G access to those who can not or choose not to enable JavaScript in their  web browsing programs.  $ I find this ironic.  (and sad, sigh)  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:02:45 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> Subject: Re: DynDNS.org client: Message-ID: <pZjIb.3722$GP.315@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   MARVIN JOHNSON wrote:   M > I seem to have just realized a problem with my plan. My goal was to replace H > my Linux box with one of my Alphas to work as my Gateway/ DHCP Server/ > Firewall.  > K > I was planning on using the UCX DHCP Client, but I just read in the docs, L > "If a system is running a DHCP client, it can not also run a DHCP server". > E > I also have MultiNet, but their docs are similar, "Process Software D > recommends that you do not use the DHCP client with other MultiNetL > components that usually need a static IP address on the same host, such as4 > DHCP server, authoritative DNS server, and GateD". > K > That makes me think that I am stuck with using my current Linux setup, or 0 > using a hardware router like others are doing. >  > -- > MARVIN JOHNSON: > "MARVIN JOHNSON" <m68k@email.uophx.edu> wrote in message, > news:4LmdnfLp3PEJLnaiRVn-hQ@comcast.com... > , >>Is anyone using a VMS box with DynDNS.org? >>J >>I am wanting a client for their service. I found a Perl client available >  > and  >  >>figured that may work (?). >> >>-- >>MARVIN JOHNSON >> >> >  >  >     G My Alpha (and Linux box) is set up with a static 192.168.. address. So  H it can act as a DHCP Server as well... however, I prefer to have all of H my systems set up with a static IP addresses (private 192.168 addresses , and then NATed to the outside with a router.   Michael Austin   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2003 13:26:17 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <5cO1CFmQzxkv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <bZ+C$$folPEa@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: W > In article <3FECB1C8.38F8FEB3@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:  >>  K >> For my $.02 I'd like to have an implicit symbol assignment, like we have  >> with  >> symbol := "the string" 
 >> maybe,  >> float_symbol %= 3.17  >>   >  >  I like it, I like it!  ! No, no, no.  Way too complicated.    $ float_symbol = 3.17   B Assignment using = or == should create a symbol whose data type is@ given by the data type of the expression on the right hand side.  C If that expression consists of a simple floating point literal, the / assignment will create a floating point symbol.   ; The := and :== are special cases for raw string assignment. I The = and == are already general cases for generic expression assignment.   D There is no separate integer assignment operator today.  There is no@ need for a separate floating point assignment operator tomorrow.    ? If it were me rolling this feature out, I'd proceed as follows:   > The first thing you to do is recognize floating point literalsD within a DCL expression.  All existing valid integer literals remain> valid integer literals.  But we begin accepting floating point literals as well.   
 So that, e.g.    $! Today
 $ PI = 3.1416 N %DCL-W-IVOPER, unrecognized operator in expression - check spelling and syntax  \.1416\   instead produces:    $! Under the new rules
 $ PI = 3.1416 
 $ SHOW SYM PI    PI = 3.1416E+00     . Then you need rules for expression evaluation:  G Comparison (.EQ., .EQS., .EQF.) coerces the operands to integer, string < or floating point respectively and returns an integer result  @ Boolean operators (.AND., .OR. and .NOT.) coerce the operands to% integer and return an integer result.   K + and - applied to strings perform concatenation/removal (as they do today)   E Otherwise, arithmetic operators (+, -, *, /) have any string operands D converted to integer or floating point, treating the string contents7 as a numeric literal.  As usual, "T" = 1 and "Y" = "1".   > integer <op> integer returns integer.  Overflow is ignored and division truncates.   D float <op> integer, float <op> float and integer <op> float all haveC any integer operands promoted to floating point and the computation - are performed using floating point semantics.   ? lexical functions coerce their operands to the appropriate data 1 type (integer, float or string) before execution.   G Implied float to integer conversion rounds.  Floats are all implemented E as double precision so no rounding is required on integer to floating 
 conversion.     A Add an F$FLOAT() lexical to convert string or integer to floating A point.  Give it an optional second argument, "ROUND", "TRUNCATE", < "ROUND_TO_ZERO", "ROUND_UP" or "ROUND_DOWN".  The default is: "ROUND" and "TRUNCATE" is synonymous with "ROUND_TO_ZERO".  5 Add FLOAT to the set of values returnable by F$TYPE()   : This is all very similar to the way things are done today.    = One compatibility issue I see is with the implicit conversion  of strings to floating point.    e.g.   $! Today/ $ a = 1 + "2.3"		! "2.3" evaluates to integer 0  $ show sym a-   A = 1   Hex = 00000001  Octal = 00000000001    $! Under the new rules8 $ a = 1 + "2.3"		! "2.3" evaluates to floating point 2.3 $ show sym a
   A = 3.3E+00    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:32:24 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <3FF1EEE8.D4E51824@applied-synergy.com>    Charlie Hammond wrote: > 8 > In article <3FF0F788.7862539F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,D > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > >Charlie Hammond wrote:  > ..M > >> Likewise if a5 = 5 and a4 = 4, then if a5 / a4 .eq. 1.25 and not just 1,  > >> the same problem exists.  > > E > >Rather depends on whether A5 and A4 were "declared" (implicitly or # > >explicitly) as integer or float.  > .. >  > Exactly the problem. > A > I "A = 5 / 4" results in an implicit declaration of A as float,  > then existing code breaks.    D There is no reason that it should.  The subexpression "5 / 4" should= return an integer value, as both of its operands are integer.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:32:59 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <3FF1EF0B.F58E3869@applied-synergy.com>    Charlie Hammond wrote: > 8 > In article <3FF0F788.7862539F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,D > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > >Charlie Hammond wrote:  > ..M > >> Likewise if a5 = 5 and a4 = 4, then if a5 / a4 .eq. 1.25 and not just 1,  > >> the same problem exists.  > > E > >Rather depends on whether A5 and A4 were "declared" (implicitly or # > >explicitly) as integer or float.  > .. >  > Exactly the problem. > A > I "A = 5 / 4" results in an implicit declaration of A as float,  > then existing code breaks.    D There is no reason that it should.  The subexpression "5 / 4" should= return an integer value, as both of its operands are integer.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2003 15:09:19 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312301509.669d485b@posting.google.com>   v keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote in message news:<cf15391e.0312300831.6578788d@posting.google.com>...u > spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0312291020.79fb54e0@posting.google.com>... F > > NOTE: There exists at least one calculator app that keeps track of> > > rational operations. You can divide 1 by 3 and it displaysF > > 0.33333333333333333333333333333333. But you can then multiply that( > > result by 3 and you get exactly 1. ! > B > I doubt the calculator app is actually keeping track of rational
 > operations.  > B > Commonly, calculators keep a number of additional "guard digits"H > beyond what the display width is (one I used had 4 extra digits), thenH > use those guard digits to round all results to fit the display window.F >  With 4 additional guard digits which end up with a value of 9999 inA > this example, the result is that the display gets rounded up to $ > 1.00000000000000000000000000000000  " Well, according to the app's help:    Understanding extended precision  F Extended Precision, a feature of Calculator, means that all operationsC are accurate to at least 32 digits. Calculator also stores rational F numbers as fractions to retain accuracy. For example, 1/3 is stored asA 1/3, rather than .333. However, errors accumulate during repeated > operations on irrational numbers. For example, Calculator will@ truncate pi to 32 digits, so repeated operations on pi will lose/ accuracy as the number of operations increases.   C This is the calculator app on my desktop Windows 2000 system. Other @ recent versions of Windows' Calculator may have this feature butF (IIRC) the help may be hidden in the OS help. On this W2K version, the7 help is obtained directly from the menu bar of the app.   C Another odd thing about this calculator is that it is the first and @ only one that I have ever seen give 0**0 as 1. While not a "pureF mathematical truth", I think it makes sense to have 0**0 be defined asD 1 to simplify use and writing of formulas like the binomial theorem.F Everything else I ever tried to calculate 0**0 bombed on error. HavingF 0**0 defined as 1 can avoid the need for special-casing calculation ofF some series and the binomial theorem for certain cases involving zero., Knuth recommends 0**0=1 in one of his books.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2003 15:17:18 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0312301517.74d164da@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<RSKQYXp$Btya@eisner.encompasserve.org>...Y > In article <1031226022919.998B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:  > > H > > I think Peter is refering to the fact that only the 1st 4 charactersD > > are significant (usually?) in DCL, so an existing procedure withH > > "ELSEIF" in it will act just like it said "ELSE".  If ELSEIF becomes: > > a separate keyword, the existing procedure will break.  : Why would anyone have put ELSEIF in an existing procedure?  E >    Since at least VMS 2.2 the docs have recommended not abreviating F >    in production-quality command procedures.  In the VMS 6.0 ReleaseE >    Notes a specific warning was issued that the 4 character parsing  >    limit might change. > H >    I see no reason DCL can't do ELSEIF.  If it breaks your procedures,
 >    RTFM.  E OK, but if one does want to stay with the 4-char way, how about ELIF? $ That reads closely enough to ELSEIF.     Dislcaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:24:33 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 6 Message-ID: <3FF24171.E9EDF72C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Charlie Hammond wrote: > 8 > In article <3FF0F788.7862539F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,D > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > >Charlie Hammond wrote:  > ..M > >> Likewise if a5 = 5 and a4 = 4, then if a5 / a4 .eq. 1.25 and not just 1,  > >> the same problem exists.  > > E > >Rather depends on whether A5 and A4 were "declared" (implicitly or # > >explicitly) as integer or float.  > .. >  > Exactly the problem. > A > I "A = 5 / 4" results in an implicit declaration of A as float,  > then existing code breaks.  H 5 and 4 are both integer expressions. An integer result is reasonable toF expect. If A had been previously declared as float (by any means), the  potential for trouble may exist.  A Mixing datatypes could lead to problems, as in any (interpretive) 6 language. Existing code should contain no such issues.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:03:31 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)D Subject: influencing the order in which page and swap files are used$ Message-ID: <bsssnj$jck$2@online.de>  G I have page and swap files on the system disk and on a different disk.  C I want to have just "minimal" files on the system disk for the rare B cases when it is the only disk connected, and mainly use the otherH files.  I might move the secondary page and swap files to a solid-state G disk (should improve performance!) and in that case it would make even  I more sense to use these exclusively and the ones on the system disk only   if the others aren't available.   ? Is there a way to influence which page and swap files are used?    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:23:52 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)H Subject: Re: influencing the order in which page and swap files are used. Message-ID: <bst1e8$j5b$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <bsssnj$jck$2@online.de> dated Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:03:31 +0000 (UTC)  : H >I have page and swap files on the system disk and on a different disk. D >I want to have just "minimal" files on the system disk for the rareC >cases when it is the only disk connected, and mainly use the other I >files.  I might move the secondary page and swap files to a solid-state  H >disk (should improve performance!) and in that case it would make even J >more sense to use these exclusively and the ones on the system disk only   >if the others aren't available.  H A solid-state disk for paging??  If you're that rich, why not simply buy	 more RAM?a  @ >Is there a way to influence which page and swap files are used?  I Except for PAGEFILE.SYS and SWAPFILE.SYS in [SYSEXE], the installation ofeK pagefiles is completely under the control of the system startup procedures.,J See SYS$STARTUP:SYPAGSWPFILES.COM and SYS$SYSTEM:SATELLITE_PAGE.COM (if it
 exists).    L Yes, you can get rid of the default files -- rename, reboot, delete, in that order!  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:55:41 -0500u* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>H Subject: Re: influencing the order in which page and swap files are used) Message-ID: <3FF22C96.72E4A3D3@istop.com>   < Not sure you can influence the order in which they are used.  G But if you create small files on your system drive and huge files on an K alternate drive, then very few processes will be mapped to the small systemn+ disk files. I have mine set to 5000 blocks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:32:31 -0600t@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>H Subject: Re: influencing the order in which page and swap files are used6 Message-ID: <3FF2434F.667092E3@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:h > H > I have page and swap files on the system disk and on a different disk.E > I want to have just "minimal" files on the system disk for the rare-D > cases when it is the only disk connected, and mainly use the otherI > files.  I might move the secondary page and swap files to a solid-statecH > disk (should improve performance!) and in that case it would make evenJ > more sense to use these exclusively and the ones on the system disk only! > if the others aren't available.a > A > Is there a way to influence which page and swap files are used?t  D Well, page/swap files on the system disk are not entirely necessary,C provided such files are installed from another volume during eithere SYPAGSWPFILES or SYSTARTUP_VMS.i   -- ' David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:07:28 +0000 (UTC)oP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)1 Subject: number of ethernet adapters in a clusteri$ Message-ID: <bsssv0$jck$3@online.de>  E I see that on VAX there is a system parameter which is the number of  H ethernet adapters in the cluster.  At least according to the 7.1 docs.  ? I can't find it in the SYSGEN HELP on 7.3.  Has it disappeared?   D I have never messed with this parameter.  I have a cluster with two G VAXes and an ALPHA, each with one ethernet adapter.  There is a lot of  H traffic on the ethernet (network (TCPIP, LAT, no DECnet now but perhaps  later), SCS, MSCP and HBVS.t  $ Should I worry about this parameter?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:37:52 GMTh# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)'5 Subject: Re: number of ethernet adapters in a clustere3 Message-ID: <47nIb.11393$Pe2.9297@news.cpqcorp.net>a  w In article <bsssv0$jck$3@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:eF :I see that on VAX there is a system parameter which is the number of $ :ethernet adapters in the cluster...0 :...There is a lot of traffic on the ethernet...     Please define "a lot".  % :Should I worry about this parameter?,     In general, no.s  A   The difference between "a lot" and "too much" is generally when A   the LAN counters start showing piles of back-off retransmissionC@   operations.  Spikes are okay of course, but should be watched.  C   Two Alpha systems can easily saturate a 10base Ethernet, and most:D   any "recent" VAX with a "recent" NIC, or most any Alpha system canD   run such an Ethernet or IEEE 802.3 network at the rated throughputB   of the NIC.   (You do not indicate version or specific platformsD   or NICs -- I'd not expect much of a problem from a VAX-11/750 withB   a DEUNA, for instance.  And as usual, I'd encourage applying the<   current ECO kits and using current OpenVMS versions, etc.)  E   But the key to determining saturation involves watching the networksC   retransmissions -- when these start to aggregate and cascade, theo!   network throughput gets ugly.     H   nb: you can still see performance problems on an unsaturated LAN basedI   on round-trip delays, disk spindle queue depth overloads, or other sucheE   performance limits -- do NOT focus on any  one attribute, and avoidiF   guessing the performance limit(s).  Perform a systematic evaluation,G   as described in the performance manual.  THEN address the individual	    bottlenecks identified.r    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqnN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.come   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:26:23 +0000 (UTC)-P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: Re: recommendation for NPAGEVIR$ Message-ID: <bssqhv$ab4$1@online.de>  = In article <b096a4ee.0312300747.33ceeeca@posting.google.com>,i1 spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: d  # > > NPAGEVIR parameter information:iH > > *** WARNING *** The value of NPAGEVIR (12888064) computed by AUTOGENL > >                 exceeds 33% of physical memory.  Please consider whetherA > >                 this should be overridden by a smaller value.m > >  aM > > I got the above message after running AUTOGEN on a system which has been  G > > in the cluster for a couple of years and on which I've run AUTOGEN gH > > periodically.  I've never seen the message before.  The machine has & > > 32 MB and is a VAXstation 4000/60. > > F > > What should I hard-code the value (or bound by MIN and MAX) to be? > B > I would try to halve it, assuming it's about 4 times the size ofH > NPAGEDYN. It only needs to be as large as nonpaged dynamic memory will@ > ever expand to. It is basically an emergency shutoff valve for" > nonpaged dynamic pool expansion. > F > Keep an eye on Nonpaged Dynamic Memory. NPAGEDYN is its initial size> > upon booting and NPAGEVIR is its maximum allowable size uponF > expansion. There is a small cost in memory for expansion -- about 4%F > of the amount of expansion, IIRC. Read about these parameters in the1 > manuals. (Discussion based on VMS 6.1,6.2 VAX.)n > # > What VMS version are you running?m   7.3 VAX.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:36:52 +0000 (UTC)sP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:a$ Message-ID: <bssr5k$ab4$2@online.de>  A OK, I'm in the machine room now so here is some more information.u  G The system is a VAXstation 4000/60 running VMS 7.3.  The terminal is a e> VT320 connected via an MMJ cable to the serial console of the H VAXstation.  S3 switch is up (i.e. serial console).  The terminal shows  up as OPA0.t  1 When I log in at the console, SHOW TERMINAL says:s  @ Terminal: _OPA0:      Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: HELBIG-1>                                               Username: HELBIG  B    Input:     300     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None6    Output:    300     CRfill:  0      Page:   24         Terminal Characteristics:eE    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escapeh?    Hostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          TabmD    Wrap               Scope              No Remote          EightbitC    Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FulldupsE    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        No HangupeE    No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speedoG    No Commsync        Line Editing       Insert editing     No Fallback-F    No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No PasthruH    No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  Soft Characters    Printer portI    Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No Block_modetD    Advanced_video     Edit_mode          DEC_CRT            DEC_CRT2I    DEC_CRT3           No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Colort    VMS Style Input  1 After doing SET HOST/LAT to the same node, I get:   @ Terminal: _LTA5114:   Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: HELBIG-2>                                               Username: HELBIG( LAT Server/Port: ELIJAH/UIC_000100000001  B    Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None6    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   24         Terminal Characteristics:iE    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escapeq?    Hostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          TabiD    Wrap               Scope              No Remote          EightbitC    Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FulldupFB    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        HangupE    No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speedeG    No Commsync        Line Editing       Insert editing     No FallbackWF    No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No PasthruH    No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  Soft Characters    Printer portI    Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No Block_mode D    Advanced_video     Edit_mode          DEC_CRT            DEC_CRT2I    DEC_CRT3           No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Color@    VMS Style Input  B In other words, the only differences are that the terminal is now 2 "Hangup" and the speed has moved from 300 to 9600.  @ The setup screen of the VT320 has 9600 for receive and transmit.  F My guess is that it has something to do with the speed.  I can't make E much of the HELP in SYSGEN or SYSMAN concerning setting the terminal m speed, though.  B However, consider the following.  In the same cluster (which is a F "shared everything" except that each node has its own system disk), I G have a VAX 4000/100A, also with a VT320 as the console.  The situation aF there is EXACTLY the same, except that I don't get any garbled output  there.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:47:36 GMTi' From: John Sauter <J_Sauter@Empire.Net>o/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:v8 Message-ID: <s104vv8qfj8593oo93bgtjolbglk67j63p@4ax.com>  - Try swapping terminals between the computers l- to see if the problem follows the terminal orr/ sticks with the computer.  That will divide theo& search universe neatly into two parts.%     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:32:36 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:R) Message-ID: <3FF2272F.E4216FAE@istop.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:a3 > When I log in at the console, SHOW TERMINAL says:  > B > Terminal: _OPA0:      Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: HELBIG-1@ >                                               Username: HELBIG > D >    Input:     300     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None2 >    Output:    300     CRfill:  0      Page:   24 >  > Terminal Characteristics:oG >    Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape A >    Hostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          Tab   L I know for sure that the speed displayed is totally bogus. You can issue SETH TERM/SPEED=19200 opr SET TERM/SPEED=110 and it will not have any effect,M although SHOW TERM will display your new speed. (The speed is set either by aiF hardware switch, or though console mode (>>>) but am not sure what the, commands are for console mode speed changes)  N A lot of items shown by SET TERMINAl are derived from a SET TERM/INQUIRE whichN is more of a data exchange with the terminal than an actual serial port thing.  K On my all mighty MicrovaxII,  SET TERM/HOSTSYNC/TTSYNC does have an effect.iG Setting it to /NOTTSYNC, /NOHOSTSYNC  does result in data overrun weithSG missing data to the display. (try typing a long text file with the text : justified to 72 columns. A data loss becomes very evident)    3 > After doing SET HOST/LAT to the same node, I get:l > B > Terminal: _LTA5114:   Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: HELBIG-2@ >                                               Username: HELBIGC > In other words, the only differences are that the terminal is nowy4 > "Hangup" and the speed has moved from 300 to 9600.  7 Speed display for LTA and OPA devices is totally bogus.c  L Setting my OPA0 to /NOHOST/NOTT, and then SET HOST/LAT, I also see that flow control is honoured. I  N On OPA0:, have you tried to do SET TERM OPA0: /NOHOST/NOTT , followed by a SET TERM OAP0:/HOST/TT ?  L I *suspect* that perhaps the upper layert thinks that you have xon-xoff, but5 it never told the lower hardware layer to make it so.h  I It is also possible that the SET HOST/LAt program operating with OPA0: ascM input/output, has the software in it to handle XON/XOFF. You shoudl also notec# that it also has its own buffering.m  
 For instance:h  I TYPE VERYLONG_FILE.TXT<cr>, immediatly followed by a XOFF, wait a minute,aN issue a <CTRL-Y>, then a XON, and you'll how much data was buffered before the remote host got the CTRL-Y.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:37:05 -0600n/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>s" Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2H4 and TZ87?3 Message-ID: <3FF1F001.23C27546@applied-synergy.com>e   Matt Finbow wrote: > G > I'm helping to look after a VMS 5.5-2H4 cluster and we want to switchlD > from using DAT for backups to DLT, I'm curious to know whether theF > TZ87 or possibly even the TZ88 works fully on VMS 5.5-2H4, including > standalone backup. > F > I've looked though various sources of information, the STABACKIT.COMG > file on 5.5-2H4 mentions the TZ87 (but not the TZ88), but the currenttF > SPD for VMS Alpha/VAX lists the minumum VMS version for TZ87 as 6.1,G > oddly however it lists the min version of VMS for the TZ88 as 5.5-2H4  > D > The Systems + Options catalog for tape drives (1999) lists the min$ > version of VMS for the TZ88 as 6.2 > G > The manual for the TZ877 loader (internal TZ87) lists the restrictiontF > for 5.5-2 as no standalone backup (doesn't mention 5.5-2H4 however). > G > The TZ86 is listed in the 5.5-2 SPD, but it would be easier for us ife$ > we could use CompactTapeIII tapes. > > > So to summarize, can we just switch to a TZ87 and still have > standalone backup?) > Can we use TZ88 drives in the same way?n >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Matthew Finbow.H  A I would expect the drive to work without problems with VMS 5.5-2.r  F I would not be surprised if VMS 5.5-2 did not recognize the drive as aE TZ88, but reported it as "(Generic SCSI tape)".  It should still worka though.c  H One limitation of a generic tape is that VMS may not manage compaction. D You would need to manually select this from the drive's front panel.  
 Good luck!    G -----------------------------------------------------------------------t$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com t   Fax: 817-237-3074k   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:12:58 GMTy# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)-" Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2H4 and TZ87?4 Message-ID: <KLmIb.11392$Oi2.10433@news.cpqcorp.net>  q In article <ec25d2bf.0312300305.1e917ebc@posting.google.com>, matthew.finbow@btinternet.com (Matt Finbow) writes:iF :I'm helping to look after a VMS 5.5-2H4 cluster and we want to switchC :from using DAT for backups to DLT, I'm curious to know whether the E :TZ87 or possibly even the TZ88 works fully on VMS 5.5-2H4, includings :standalone backup...i ..F :The manual for the TZ877 loader (internal TZ87) lists the restrictionE :for 5.5-2 as no standalone backup (doesn't mention 5.5-2H4 however).s  F   V5.5-2H4 is a proper superset of V5.5-2, largely adding new hardware6   support for then-new members of the VAX 4000 series.  F :The TZ86 is listed in the 5.5-2 SPD, but it would be easier for us if# :we could use CompactTapeIII tapes.w  F   The availability of the older DLT media is certainly becoming rarer.  = :So to summarize, can we just switch to a TZ87 and still havey :standalone backup?s( :Can we use TZ88 drives in the same way?  C   IIRC, the root problem here probably involves the creation of thepF   standalone BACKUP root on the media -- if you have a standalone rootH   on a disk (strongly recommended over tape-based bootstraps regardless,F   as booting the standalone root off disk is significantly faster thanH   booting off of tape) or another bootable tape device then you *should*H   be able to use most any SCSI tape as the output or as the input of theI   standalone BACKUP operation.   (Even if you can't directly build a rootP   on the particular tape.)  D   Newer tapes will generally work on older releases -- if you do notE   mind the device showing as "generic MK" device.  You may or may not E   have access to compression and such, that can depend on proper tapemD   device identification.  In other words, try it.  You might not getE   everything you want -- and again, STABACKIT might or might not workeF   for the creation of a bootable standalone BACKUP kit on this device,F   and you might or might not get compaction, and the drive likely willB   not be specifically identified -- but the drive will probably be$   servicable in its baseline state.   G   Please try a full-path write and read and a full-path standalone saveiH   and restore, just to be sure that this unsupported configuration worksH   for you, of course.  And make sure you can boot from a standalone rootF   somewhere, particularly if your system disk becomes unavailable -- aE   newer distribution CD-ROM may well prove useful here, assuming this2D   unspecified configuration has a SCSI CD-ROM configured.  (Boot the>   newer release to get at its support and its BACKUP, and ...)  E   You could also consider an upgrade from this decade-old OpenVMS VAXuE   release to a release slightly less ancient, of course -- that would5E   get you formal support for a raft of newer SCSI devices, SCSI disksaF   beyond the circa-8.6 GB addressing limit of pre-V6 releases, and far&   better SCSI capabilities in general.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqiN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comt   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:18:27 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s* Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP SuperdomeJ Message-ID: <n4lIb.220352$ea%.167616@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message-----r9 >> From: Greg Cagle [mailto:news@removethisgregcagle.com]"# >> Sent: December 30, 2003 11:17 AMa >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- >> Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome  >>+ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  >>D >>> Sometime in the future nPartitions which are currently hard willE >>> become soft, this appears currently to be technology that is only  >>> planned for HP-UX. >>? >> Actually vPartitions (soft partitions) have been in place on ? >> HP-UX for some time - a few years IRRC. You are correct thate6 >> they are HP-UX only at this time. nPartitions (hard# >> partitions) are not OS-specific.d >>	 >> - Greg. >> --h
 >> Greg Cagle- >> gregc at gregcagle dot com  >> >0 > Greg - >2# > Minor correction / clarification:e >gE > vPars (or otherwise known as soft partitions) are also available on5H > OpenVMS. Rather than call them vPars, OpenVMS chose to call it Galaxy,> > but the technology is basically the same i.e. the ability toF > dynamically shift CPU's between separate OS instances. Like vPars onG > HP-UX, soft partitions have been available on OpenVMS for a number ofv > years. > H > One of best demo's (imho) at the recent HP World event in St Louis wasA > with the person running the booth dynamically shifting cpu's toi4 > handle a different workload on a big Alpha GS1280. >lF > Oh - and by the way, the tool he was using to drag-n-drop CPU's from2 > one OS instance to another was a handheld iPaq.*    ) *Trained Professionals on a Closed CourseiD Don't try this outside your reactor control room on an insecure WiFi network.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:52:05 +0000 (UTC)hP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)# Subject: VRT17-W3 on DEC 3000/300LXr$ Message-ID: <bsss25$ab4$4@online.de>  > The only one of my hobbyist machines which I bought new is my I ALPHAstation 255/233, which came with a VRT17-W3 monitor.  The connector  I is a "modern" plug on the graphics card in the 255 and a similar plug on l the monitor.  I The 255 ran almost continuously for almost 7 years before dying a couple lI of weeks ago (I'm still not sure of the cause and am hoping it is just a 1I blown capacitor, as Christoph Gartmann suggested.)  I replaced it with a  A DEC 3000/300LX with 48 MB---tight, but it's running VMS 7.3-1 OK.   F The 3000 has a plug with 3 large pins on the graphics card.  I pluggedD it into the huge old monitor which came with my DEC 3000/600 (a niceC machine with 192 MB and two SCSI controllers----thanks Chris!) and rF booted it off the (7.2-1) system disk normally used by the 3000/600.  ) Worked fine.  The monitor has RGB cables.   E My VRT17-W3 also has 5 BNC connectors, three of them for RGB.  So, I v2 connected things up.  But it doesn't seem to work.  : Is there any way I can use this monitor with this machine?   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:59:11 +0000 (UTC)sP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: VRT17-W3 on DEC 3000/300LXa$ Message-ID: <bsssff$jck$1@online.de>  D In article <bsss25$ab4$4@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: g  H > The 3000 has a plug with 3 large pins on the graphics card.  I pluggedF > it into the huge old monitor which came with my DEC 3000/600 (a niceE > machine with 192 MB and two SCSI controllers----thanks Chris!) and dH > booted it off the (7.2-1) system disk normally used by the 3000/600.  + > Worked fine.  The monitor has RGB cables.r  B In other words, I got the CDE interface on the monitor, could run  DECwindows fine etc.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2003 17:15:31 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)S Subject: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in five years ...i= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312301715.60f5c432@posting.google.com>o  5 one was for something we don't even use right now ... 1 decwindows ... the other two was for TCPware, one 4 being for smtp ... now where was slowaris cert count1 for the last five years ... 1000+ and catching up0* to linux windoze garbage ... beat that ...   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2003 17:11:07 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)8 Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0312301711.22cc8e3d@posting.google.com>o   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bsrjl8$4p1$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...F > Alan E. Feldman wrote:j > > Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> wrote in message news:<vuks8eigsasq48@corp.supernews.com>... > >  >   J > > Also, "Slowaris" is being used in direct response to a Solaris person.F > > I certainly hope cov participants aren't sending mail to HP peopleJ > > using terms like Itanic and Chompaq. I guess it's partly just a matter > > of common courtesy.h > >  > : > Possibly more importantly its being used in a discussion8 > about OS security where it has absolutely no relevance> > except as an indication that the person using the derogatory; > word (if that is what it is) has run out of collateral to  > support his case.- > ; > I don't really care if Bob calls Solaris Slowaris it says,2 > rather more about him than it does about the OS. > 	 > Regardsc > Andrew Harrisony  @ I also call it convuluted garbage because that is what it is ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:21:05 +0100nB From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>K Subject: Re: [Dutch] Book "VAX/VMS Internals and data structures" available:7 Message-ID: <3FF1D021.383A@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>n   Hans Vlems wrote:h > I > "Michiel Erens" <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> schreef  > > in bericht news:3FEEFC98.4C1C@this.mailaddress.is.invalid... > > [Dutch] 8 > > Voor de liefhebber heb ik een exemplaar van het boek; > > "VAX/VMS internals and data structures version 5.2" van  > > Goldenberg/Kenah liggen.  > > Gratis af te halen in Delft.< > > Als je wel geinteresseerd bent, maar Delft te ver vindt,= > > wil ik m tegen voorwaarden wel opsturen. Maar een afhaler  > > heeft voorrang.. > > 5 > > Mail naar erensm @ ilse.nl als je interesse hebt.a > > > Is er een groot verschil met versie 4.4 van dat zelfde boek?  9 Versie 4.4 ken ik niet, maar volgens de flaptekst is het A< "a thoroughly revised edition". Bovendien waren er dacht ik : behoorlijke verschillen tussen VMS 4 en 5 (SMP toegevoegd,) de kernel gesplitst in loadable images). 2< Maar als je zelf wilt kijken, dan stuur ik het boek naar je = toe, want ik geloof niet dat er verder iemand belangstelling e voor heeft.9   -- 3 ME Posted by news://news.nb.nuc   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.724 ************************