0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 06 Feb 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 74      Contents: Re: And the winner is? Re: And the winner is? Re: And the winner is?  Bliss (was: VMS source listings) Re: Columbia Re: Columbia" Re: DCL scripting for mail changes Re: DECNet Configuration Help  Re: E*trade replacing VMS? RE: E*trade replacing VMS? RE: E*trade replacing VMS? Re: E*trade replacing VMS? Re: E*trade replacing VMS?	 Re: fonts  hobbyist @ montager.comNOSPAM ! Re: hobbyist @ montager.comNOSPAM   Re: Maximum of simultanius login  RE: Maximum of simultanius login! MSCP disk serving and SAN Storage % Re: MSCP disk serving and SAN Storage  Re: Oracle 9i and ODS-5  Set Host and License Problem2 Re: SKHPC slaps Gartner, naysayers on comp vms ...
 TCP IP PAK Re: TCP IP PAK@ Re: TCP/IP Services v5.3 - how to increase the number of "mbufs"- Re: Telnet  to a BIND Sever & Load Balancing.  Re: VMS source listings ?  Re: VMS source listings ?  Re: VMS source listings ?  Re: VMS source listings ?  Re: What is a Cluster ?  Re: What is a Cluster ?  Re: What is a Cluster ?  RE: What is a Cluster ?  Re: What is a Cluster ?  Re: What is a Cluster ?  Re: What is a Cluster ?  RE: What is a Cluster ? # what limits the number of DECterms? ' Re: what limits the number of DECterms? ' Re: what limits the number of DECterms? ' Re: what limits the number of DECterms? ' Re: what limits the number of DECterms? ' Re: what limits the number of DECterms?  Re: [OT]Re:Columbia  Re: [OT]Re:Columbia  Re: [OT]Re:Columbia   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:52:57 -0800 ( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> Subject: Re: And the winner is? - Message-ID: <3E415D89.29A58888@NelsonUSA.com>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > A > I will be announcing all the winners tomorrow.  In case you are G > wondering we did have a person guess a time of 3:30 (he had submitted F > the time on Jan 10th).  We had nine people pick the correct day.  OfF > the nine people 2 were from outside the us (Switzerland and Israel).  F I thought I was pretty good with a guess that was only five hours off.H Boy, was I wrong!!!   Here are the winning times from Sue's e-mail (withG the names removed until they say it's OK).   Note that FOUR people were * withing ONE HOUR!   Congratulations, guys!   TIME   ERROR 15:30  -0:01 15:50  +0:19 16:01  +0:30 16:12  +0:41 11:25  -4:06 10:32  -4:59= 20:37  +5:06    <<< Alan Frisbie, in a dismal 7th place   :-(   9:22  -6:09 22:22  +6:51   Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 13:47:21 GMT , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: And the winner is? 6 Message-ID: <b1tp17$15qveo$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  I In article <ogj0a.280064$pDv.92659@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, & 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > H > Better yet, some shirts made up with OpenVMS logo's that, on the front > say: > H >  "If we told you which operating system the three-letter agencies use, > we'd have to kill you."  >   B That wouldn't get you very far.  One of the more well known of theD three-letter agencies has gotten quite a bit of publicity over theirD security hardened version of Linux.  Which I think tells most peopleB that even if they use VMS there are other better known OSes in use@ there too. (There was mention here of a news program that eitherA accidentally or on purpose showed their server farm and they were E recognized as racks and racks of Alphas.  I don't believe anyone said C what OS they were running, but I would be willing to bet it is much H more likely to be Tru64 than VMS.  Another victim of stealth marketing.)    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:59:08 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: And the winner is? J Message-ID: <MSt0a.283198$pDv.205551@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  9 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message 0 news:b1tp17$15qveo$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de... > In article> <ogj0a.280064$pDv.92659@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > > D > > Better yet, some shirts made up with OpenVMS logo's that, on the front  > > say: > > E > >  "If we told you which operating system the three-letter agencies  use, > > we'd have to kill you."  > >  > D > That wouldn't get you very far.  One of the more well known of theF > three-letter agencies has gotten quite a bit of publicity over theirF > security hardened version of Linux.  Which I think tells most peopleD > that even if they use VMS there are other better known OSes in useB > there too. (There was mention here of a news program that eitherC > accidentally or on purpose showed their server farm and they were B > recognized as racks and racks of Alphas.  I don't believe anyone saidE > what OS they were running, but I would be willing to bet it is much > > more likely to be Tru64 than VMS.  Another victim of stealth marketing.)     B Since when did the truth have to get in the way of marketing?  :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 09:14:13 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Bliss (was: VMS source listings) 3 Message-ID: <oeaMTliaWY7B@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <4taa6RBG8B3n@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   J >    Ever try to access a 36 character array in the middle of a structure H >    in BLISS?  Yes, it can be done, no it's not as easy as it could be.  3 	CHARACTER_14 = .MY_STRUCTURE [ MIDDLE_ARRAY, 14 ];   D ...if you design the structure with that in mind.  Just as with Ada,B the secret is in the data structure design.  For Bliss, this meansC _not_ emulating the VMS source listings which in most cases use the C automated-no-field-SDL-generated-least-common-denominator method of = structure declaration.  Bliss is capable of much more complex B "structure" design (sparse arrays, anyone?), but for VMS internalsB the goal is structures that are also readily accessed from _other_? languages.  In most cases, data structures used by Bliss within A VMS itself are restricted to those which can be generated by SDL.   B Don't get me wrong, I love SDL for cross-language data structures,@ but one should not judge the flexibility of Bliss by that subset# of its data structure capabilities.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:06:15 GMT 3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>  Subject: Re: Columbia 4 Message-ID: <3E405580.F6B8C46@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>   Phillip Helbig wrote:  > F > > I'm very affected by the Columbia crew tragedy, 17 years after theL > > Challenger accident. It is sad, for them and for their families, and for# > > the whole scientific community.  > D > No offense, but this has NOTHING to do with VMS (even if some NASAA > software runs on VMS somewhere).  Please don't start completely J > off-topic threads.  Some threads are at least a bit on-topic, some driftE > off topic with time, some are completely off-topic but more or less I > "one-liners" which won't produce any followups.  We can live with this, * > but not with completely off-topic stuff.  ;   As far as the NASA VMS software I have experience with...   I   NAIF's SPICE, software for spacecraft and planetary ephemeris, just had F its last VAX version and support for Alpha platforms are ending soon. N The D29 delivery of VICAR (JPL's image processing software), going operationalN next month, is the last version to support Alpha VMS and the MIPL VMS machinesJ will be decommissioned as the Galileo project winds down.  After using VMSI in my professional career since 1981 I soon will only be able to enjoy it  at home.   -- Vance Haemmerle    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 08:19:17 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Columbia 3 Message-ID: <qocAPfnpfX+e@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3E417C76.1030802@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: @ >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>   >>  K >>>   Nope.  I've never, ever seen a pilot perform a pre-landing inspection G >>>   outside the aircraft prior to landing.  The pre-flight inspection J >>>   I learned and have done is pre-FLIGHT, once I'm up I will come down. >  > S > Bob.  At times I've noticed a 'superior than thou' attitude in your posts.  (I'd  6 > use the word asshole, but I'm practicing tolerance.) >   G    And I notice you can't keep to 80 columns.  So what?  That justifies ,    a not-quite-backhanded ad-hominem attack?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:23:22 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> + Subject: Re: DCL scripting for mail changes $ Message-ID: <3e42a813$1@news.si.com>  D >Now my question is how do I envoke the mail utility in my script soE >that I can run it from the script rather than enter it line by line?  >example
 >100 lines of 2 >set forward/user=blahblah smtp%"""blah@blah.com""4 >set forward/user=hehehehe smtp%"""hehehe@blah.com""  3 Here's the first few lines of my command procedure:   " $ set process/priv=(sysnam,sysprv) $ mail: set forward/user=737fmchelp mx%"737fmchelp@smtpgwy.si.com" remove aaby_jens remove jens.aaby0 set forward/user=aajob mx%"aajob@smtpgwy.si.com"< set forward/user=aalam_bruce mx%"aalam_bruce@smtpgwy.si.com"< set forward/user=bruce.aalam mx%"aalam_bruce@smtpgwy.si.com" remove aarem_karl  remove karl.aarem : set forward/user=aaron_john mx%"aaron_john@smtpgwy.si.com": set forward/user=john.aaron mx%"aaron_john@smtpgwy.si.com" --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed,  5 Feb 03 10:38:29 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.si & Subject: Re: DECNet Configuration Help$ Message-ID: <3e40e9aa@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  ) >"Michael Thompson" <m_thompson@ids.net>: * >news:v3vea0ctn5v575@corp.supernews.com...J > Eventually I would like to configure DECNet on a DPV11 in a VAX 3600 andA > connect it to a DUP11/KMC11 in a PDP-10 KS10 running TOPS 7.03.   E  On KS10 with TOPS 7.03 the DUP11/KMC11 *may* be be driven by DECnet  9 phase III, so you will need at least one VAX on phase IV.    Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461 ; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464  Slovenia   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 13:59:33 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: E*trade replacing VMS? 6 Message-ID: <b1tpo5$15qveo$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  T In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660D38@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>,* 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@HP.com> writes: > D >                                                      Check out theH > following: (and this is one of the rare occasions when I have to agree > with a Gartner analyst)  > : > http://www.sys-con.com/linux/articlenews.cfm?id=3D477=20' > "Gartner Takes Linux Down a Few Pegs"   A It's funny how when Gartner knocks VMS their a bunch of hacks who A don't know anything about the industry but the second they take a A shot at Linux suddenly they are back to being experts. I guess it - really is about who's ox is being gored.  :-)   > Not that I think Linux is worth a bucket of hot spit..........   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:06:17 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> # Subject: RE: E*trade replacing VMS? T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660D3A@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Bill,   F >>> but the second they take a shot at Linux suddenly they are back to being experts.<<<   G Perhaps you missed my qualifier about this being a rare occasion when I  agreed with Gartner?  B Also, their note was not a shot at Linux as being a bad thing, butD rather that it was technology had its place, but was not necessarily good for all environments.  F Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see how many could disagree with that statement.=20    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    -----Original Message-----2 From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:bill@cs.uofs.edu]=20 Sent: February 6, 2003 9:00 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # Subject: Re: E*trade replacing VMS?     
 In articleH <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660D38@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net> , * 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@HP.com> writes: >=20D >                                                      Check out theH > following: (and this is one of the rare occasions when I have to agree   > with a Gartner analyst)  >=20> > http://www.sys-con.com/linux/articlenews.cfm?id=3D3D477=3D20' > "Gartner Takes Linux Down a Few Pegs"   G It's funny how when Gartner knocks VMS their a bunch of hacks who don't C know anything about the industry but the second they take a shot at C Linux suddenly they are back to being experts. I guess it really is # about who's ox is being gored.  :-)   > Not that I think Linux is worth a bucket of hot spit..........   bill   --=20 C Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three  wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |C Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  =20    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 09:00:40 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: RE: E*trade replacing VMS? 3 Message-ID: <OaNXICqW2fOx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660D3A@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:  H > Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see how many could disagree > with that statement.  A C'mon, Kerry.  We know _you_ aren't new around this newsgroup :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 15:12:08 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: E*trade replacing VMS? 6 Message-ID: <b1tu08$16o93o$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  T In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660D3A@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>,* 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > Bill,  > G >>>> but the second they take a shot at Linux suddenly they are back to  > being experts.<<<  > I > Perhaps you missed my qualifier about this being a rare occasion when I  > agreed with Gartner? > D > Also, their note was not a shot at Linux as being a bad thing, butF > rather that it was technology had its place, but was not necessarily > good for all environments. > H > Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see how many could disagree > with that statement.  E I don't disagree with the concept.  I just still can't believe anyone @ ever considered taking linux seriously.  Especially when all theC functionality it offers has been around in much better packages for D almost as long as linux has been around.  Not all unix flavors, evenD free ones, are the products of non-professional programmer wannabes.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:06:34 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> # Subject: Re: E*trade replacing VMS? " Message-ID: <3e42a424@news.si.com>  L None of the reasons 2 through 6 bear any reflection on the quality of VMS orH on whether or not it can and should do the job.  Those reasons, with theJ exception of 5, are all internal E*trade politics and will wind up being aL problem even if they convert to all Linux.  Thus, once again, decisions thatF should be made on the basis of engineering and logic are being made on) emotion and a the desire to be a lemming.  --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 11:46:59 +0000 # From: vervoom <vervoom@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: fonts* Message-ID: <3E424B33.1060905@hotmail.com>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:U > In article <b1o4rc$ndk$2@cspc1n11.baplc.com>, vervoom <vervoom@hotmail.com> writes:  > G >>Does anyone here know an internet site where I can get the following  
 >>font files?  >> >>menu12.pcf -bigelow & : >>holmes-menu-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-70-iso8859-1 >>menu10.pcf -bigelow & : >>holmes-menu-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-56-iso8859-1 >  > L > $ SEARCH SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW...]DECW$FONT_*.DAT MENU12.PCF,MENU10.PCF >   > ******************************: > SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.75DPI]DECW$FONT_DIRECTORY.DAT;1 > P > menu12.pcf -bigelow & holmes-menu-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-70-iso8859-1P > menu10.pcf -bigelow & holmes-menu-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-56-iso8859-1 > 1 > $ DIR SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.75DPI]MENU1%.PCF  > + > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.75DPI]  > " > MENU10.PCF;1        MENU12.PCF;1 >  > Total of 2 files.  > K > on my OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 and V7.3-1 (both DECwindows-MOTIF V1.2-6) boxes.  > ? > So, you might already have it. Why and where do you need it ?  >   H I'm using a VAX system which doesn't have pcf fonts, only the DECW$FONT B fonts. I'm trying to run VMS on XFree86, and these two fonts were I missing from my font directories on XFree. Unfortunately I can't see any  + way to convert the VAX fonts to PCF format.    JS.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 11:47:26 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> & Subject: hobbyist @ montager.comNOSPAM; Message-ID: <01KS47G7CDWO9GVT85@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   F Has anyone else had trouble sending email to the email address on the  hobbyist page at Montagar?   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:20:59 +0000 (UTC). From: John Forkosh <john@SeeSigForAddress.com>* Subject: Re: hobbyist @ montager.comNOSPAM, Message-ID: <b1tjvb$aag$1@reader1.panix.com>  : Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:H : Has anyone else had trouble sending email to the email address on the  : hobbyist page at Montagar?  6 I placed an order for a vax hobbyist cd on January 22.: When I hadn't received it by Jan 31, I sent them an email.< As of today, haven't received email reply, and still haven't8 received cd.  By the way, they did charge my credit card- (and I do have a valid Encompass US member#).  --  > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 08:36:49 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)) Subject: Re: Maximum of simultanius login = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0302060836.105153dc@posting.google.com>   ` "arjan" <arjanmarkt@@xs4all> wrote in message news:<3e417fdb$0$49107$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...+ > I Tryed, But I can not find anything ....  > Can you help me ?? >  > Arjan   9 So what's wrong with the MAXJOBS suggestion? (See below.)    5 > "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> schreef in bericht , > news:01C2CBB6.DEC983B0@sulfer.icius.com... [...]  > > -----Original Message-----< > > From: Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@firstdbasource.com]+ > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:30 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - > > Subject: Re: Maximum of simultanius login  [...]  > > I > > There are many ways to do this.. one is to limit the MAXJOBS in their   > > login account (mc authorize)L > > another is more laborius and requires a bit of DCL programming in eitherL > > their login.com or sylogin.com. but if they are any good at DCL and haveD > > access to DCL and are not captive or restricted, then they could$ > > probably figure a way around it. > >  > >  > > -- > > Regards, > > : > > Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:58:26 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>) Subject: RE: Maximum of simultanius login 0 Message-ID: <01C2CDBE.08999B40@sulfer.icius.com>  A Go to comp.os.vms in groups.google.com. Check the "search only in E comp.os.vms" radio button. Do a search for 'maxjob' or 'limiting' and  'login'.   Shane    -----Original Message-----' From: arjan [mailto:arjanmarkt@@xs4all] * Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:19 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) Subject: Re: Maximum of simultanius login     ) I Tryed, But I can not find anything ....  Can you help me ??   Arjan     3 "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> schreef in bericht * news:01C2CBB6.DEC983B0@sulfer.icius.com...D > There was a thread on this a month or two back which contains manyG > variations on this theme, for different basic requirements. I suggest 9 > you use google.com to look back and browse the threads.  >  > Shane  >  > -----Original Message-----: > From: Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@firstdbasource.com]) > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:30 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + > Subject: Re: Maximum of simultanius login  >  >  > arjan wrote: > > 
 > > Hi There,  > > 2 > > (I am a newbe ...., so sorry for the question) > > I > > Is it possible to tell an Alpha 800 server with Open VMS 7.1.2 that a E > > specific user can NOT login in more than one time using a tellnet  session 
 > > ?????? > G > There are many ways to do this.. one is to limit the MAXJOBS in their  > login account (mc authorize)J > another is more laborius and requires a bit of DCL programming in eitherJ > their login.com or sylogin.com. but if they are any good at DCL and haveB > access to DCL and are not captive or restricted, then they could" > probably figure a way around it. >  >  > --
 > Regards, > 8 > Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 09:31:04 -0800 0 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)* Subject: MSCP disk serving and SAN Storage= Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0302060931.11ee63c7@posting.google.com>    Guys, B      I have a question.    I am putting together a new VMS clusterE using ES40 machines and Compaq StorageWorks components.  (Brocade SAN F Switches and HSG80 Controllers.)     I am running OpenVMS Version 7.3,E and the Cluster Interconnect is via GigaBit Ethernet (not through the  SAN Fabric)   ?      Two of my ES40's are going to be Production, and 1 will be F Certification, however they will be in the same cluster (with separate> system disks).   I would like to keep my Cert and Prod StorageF separate from each other as seen from the SAN (i.e. in separate zones)F but still 'occasionally' available to transfer code and data from Cert to Prod.  @      My question is this "Are MSCP disks served to other cluster> members via the SAN Fabric, or via the Cluster Interconnect??.  D      It seems to me that if it is via the interconnect, then neitherE the hosts nor the storage need to be in the same zones, however if it F is via the fabric then at least the hosts need to be in the same zone.   thanks     Dave.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 11:53:46 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) . Subject: Re: MSCP disk serving and SAN Storage3 Message-ID: <NCIorGs2SmCW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <a3c44af1.0302060931.11ee63c7@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes: > Guys, D >      I have a question.    I am putting together a new VMS clusterG > using ES40 machines and Compaq StorageWorks components.  (Brocade SAN H > Switches and HSG80 Controllers.)     I am running OpenVMS Version 7.3,G > and the Cluster Interconnect is via GigaBit Ethernet (not through the 
 > SAN Fabric)  > A >      Two of my ES40's are going to be Production, and 1 will be H > Certification, however they will be in the same cluster (with separate@ > system disks).   I would like to keep my Cert and Prod StorageH > separate from each other as seen from the SAN (i.e. in separate zones)H > but still 'occasionally' available to transfer code and data from Cert
 > to Prod. > B >      My question is this "Are MSCP disks served to other cluster@ > members via the SAN Fabric, or via the Cluster Interconnect??. >   C 	Not the fabric.  MSCP talks SCS.  SCS doesn't go over fibre - yet.   9 	Keith of course is much more informative.  Quick google:   _ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=cf15391e.0208201127.483f17d7%40posting.google.com&oe=UTF-8   O http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=93b7o7%24i41%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&oe=UTF-8    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 07:45:19 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>  Subject: Re: Oracle 9i and ODS-53 Message-ID: <4vn0a.56288$Y9.3979480@zwoll1.home.nl>    Syltrem wrote:L > I saw a note on Metalink to the effect that Oracle 9.2.2 MUST be installed > on an ODS-5 disk.  >  > Can anyone comment on this? K > Is that only for the binaries, or is it also true for the database files?  > N > Can I safely convert a drive from ODS-2 to ODS-5, or is is best to buy a new( > disk just for installing Oracle on it? >  > Any advice appreciated.  >  > Thanks >  > -- >  > OpenVMS 7.2-1, Oracle 8.1.6.0  > 	 > Syltrem K > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) : > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address >  >  > N As mentioned by others, converting from ODS2 to ODS5 is easy. However keep in F mind that a ODS5 system disk is only supported from VMS 7.3-1 upwards.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:05:43 -0000 + From: m_thompson@ids.net (Michael Thompson) % Subject: Set Host and License Problem / Message-ID: <v44nd71rqt0v35@corp.supernews.com>   N I have a VAX 3600 and a VAX 3560 connected with DECnet (thanks to help from a O previous posting). I can Set Host on the 3600 and login to the 3560 just fine.  P If I try to Set Host from the 3560 to the 3600 the console on the 3600 displays > a message that says that there is no active license available.  I I have OpenVMS 7.2 and a full set of Hobbyist licenses installed on both  I machines. The results of a Show License looks identical on both machines.    How do I debug this problem?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:27:54 GMT 3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> ; Subject: Re: SKHPC slaps Gartner, naysayers on comp vms ... 5 Message-ID: <3E405A92.19AC3E07@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  K > So I wouldn't say that Hammer failing is "highly unlikely".  I'd say that M > it's still a crap shoot.  Alpha didn't win in the market place, even though H > it was arguably superior.  Nor did Beta (much to my displeasure when I1 > finally threw away my Betamax a few years ago).      Hey, a fellow Betamax owner!  >   It sucks when the best product doesn't succeed.  I see a lotE of parallels with Alpha and Beta.  You know, Sony published full page H ads in Latin America in 1988, 1989 saying "Beta es para siempre. PalabraF de honor. Palabra de Sony." which translates to "Beta is forever. WordG of honor. Word of Sony."  Of course, this past August Sony announced it G was stopping Betamax production by the end of 2002.  It seems corporate F promises don't mean anything.  I let Sony have it about those promises@ when I was interviewed on the CBC (Canadian radio) in September.   -- Vance Haemmerle ) Founder of the Betaphile Club (1988-1991)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:24:15 GMT  From: mail@the-fox.de (the-FoX)  Subject: TCP IP PAK + Message-ID: <PS30a.1$9H6.8615@news.ecrc.de>    Hello everybody,  N i'm extremely new to openvms and dec. i got a dec3000 and i installed openvms M which i got from the montagar.com or so. cause i didn't have a floppydisk at  H this machine, i thought about using ftp, but i can't start the server ?!+ i always get messages that a pak is needed.   M what is a PAK ? Where did i get it from ? is it just a number ? does it cost   extra license to use tcpip ?  , i just got the openvms cd...nothing more :-(  % maybe someone can tell me what to do.    thanks the-FoX   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:08:03 -06002 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net> Subject: Re: TCP IP PAK / Message-ID: <v436blcu34du4f@corp.supernews.com>   F "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3e415f7d$1@news.si.com...J > >what is a PAK ? Where did i get it from ? is it just a number ? does it > cost > >extra license to use tcpip ?  > D > A PAK is a "Product Authorization Key" and if you got OpenVMS from	 Montagar, L > then you should have gotten your PAKs along with it.  I believe they're on	 > the CD.  > --K > Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 7 > Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. B > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 : >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company > G I hope we are all talking about the registration number with the user's K group here - you need that from Encompass FIRST. That can take from days to J weeks. Mine took 3 weeks, but this was several years ago. This information2 will be emailed to you at the address you specify.  I With the emailed registration number IN HAND, use the form at the Montgar I site to apply for licenses. The license PAK's will be emailed to you very F soon; usually on the order of hours, assuming all of your information,I especially the registration number, is OK. You need 2 licenses: 1) OS, 2) 
 applications.   I Again, about PAK's - sorry a PAK (in this instance) is a DCL command file F that will be emailed to you from Montgar upon your entering the properL registration information, including your membership number into their onlineC form. With commercial licenses, such as purchased with new systems, H DEC/Compaq/HP sends a nice printed form with the license info on it. The: user enters the information into the computer using LMF or @sys$update:vmslicense.com.   J Here is a sample (edited, removing personal information) PAK from Montgar:   $!: $!                          COMPAQ HOBBY LICENSE AGREEMENT1 $!                                    For OpenVMS  $! $! $!E $!     This document is the legal agreement governing your use of the 	 Software. ' $!     Please store it in a safe place.  $! $!2 $!                                   LICENSE TERMS $! $!     1. GRANT  $!J $!     Upon your qualification for this license and your signature on thisK $!          form, Compaq Computer Corporation ("COMPAQ") will grant you the H $!          right to use the VAX OpenVMS on a single computer ("LicensedA $!          Computer").  Use of the Licensed Computer is ONLY FOR  NON-COMMERCIALI $!          USES (e.g., home use).  As such, you may not use the Licensed  ComputerB $!          for any business purposes whatsoever, e.g., to develop applications7 $!          for resale, to do business accounting, etc.  $!I $!     Your license will be granted upon the issuance of the license key. K $!          Your rights to use the software and the license key are LIMITED  TO ONE: $!          YEAR from date of issuance of the license key. $!K $!     You may copy the Software into the local memory or storage device of G $!          the specified quantity of computers.  You may make a single  archival, $!          or back-up copy of the Software. $!I $!     You may NOT transfer your rights to use the Software, the SoftwarehL $!          itself and the accompanying documentation including this License $!          Agreement. $! $!     2. COPYRIGHTc $!L $!     The Software is owned by COMPAQ and its suppliers and is protected byG $!          copyright laws and international treaties.  Your use of the  SoftwareE $!          and associated documentation is subject to the applicable@	 copyrightoH $!          laws and the express rights and restrictions of this License $!          Agreement. $! $!     3. RESTRICTIONS $!L $!     You may not rent, lease, or otherwise transfer the Software except as; $!          expressly authorized in this License Agreement.P $!G $!     You may not remove any copyright, trademark or other proprietary"3 $!          notices from the Software or the media.  $!L $!     You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software,I $!          except to the extent Compaq cannot prohibit such acts by law.s $!; $!                           LIMITED WARRANTY AND LIABILITYh $!C $!    LIMITATION OF LIABILITY: THE PRODUCTS AND PRODUCT INFORMATIONE	 FURNISHED L $!    HEREUNDER ARE FURNISHED "AS IS".  COMPAQ DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES THAT MAYtK $!    BE IMPLIED ON THE PRODUCTS INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, ALL IMPLIEDoK $!    WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO EVENT WILL COMPAQ BEuL $!    LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING LOSS OF DATA OR USE, LOSTK $!    PROFITS OR ANY INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, ARISING OUT OF OR- INE $!    CONNECTION WITH THIS AGREEMENT OR THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THEs	 PRODUCTS, D $!    WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT OR TORT INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE. $! $! $!6 $!                              U.S. GOVERNMENT RIGHTS $!K $!     Consistent with FAR 12.211 and 12.212, Commercial Computer Software,tI $!     Computer Software Documentation, and TEchnical Data for Commerciale ItemshB $!     are licensed to the U.S. Government under vendor's standard
 commercial $!     license.h $! $!0 $!                                       GENERAL $!G $!     You are responsible for compliance with all applicable export or(	 re-exportaE $!     control laws and regulations if you export the Software.  Thish Agreement isH $!     governed by and is to be construed under the laws of the State of Texas. $!J $!     If you have any questions concerning this Agreement, please contact yourK $!     local COMPAQ sales office or write to:  Compaq Computer Corporation,-L $!     Software Business Practices, ZK01-2/D22, 110 Spit Brook Road, Nashua, NH.n $!     03062-2698. $!I $!     COMPAQ and the Compaq logo Registered in U.S. Patent and Trademark  Office.cJ $!     All other product names mentioned herein may be trademarks of their $!     respective companies.1 $!     Copyright 2000 Compaq Computer CorporationS $! $!J $!     Usage of this licenses consistutes agreement with all terms of this Hobbyist $!     License Agreement $!" $ LICENSE REGISTER OPENVMS-ALPHA -
 /ACTIVITY=A -f( /AUTHORIZATION=DECUS-USA-xxxxxx-xxxxxx - /DATE=14-SEP-2002 -a /HARDWARE_ID=xxxxxxxxxx -l /ISSUER=DECUS -  /OPTIONS=(NO_SHARE) -o /PRODUCER=DEC -h /TERMINATION=14-SEP-2002 -
 /UNITS=0 - /CHECKSUM=x-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxt   -------eI Once the licenses are entered you must either 1) reboot, or 2) use LMF to  register and load the licenses.  $LICENSE registern
 $LICENSE LOADe See $HELP LICENSE for details.   May the force be with you!   Stuart JohnsonG //This is the last I have to say about this (to everyone else's relief)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 20:57:28 +0100- From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>I Subject: Re: TCP/IP Services v5.3 - how to increase the number of "mbufs" 3 Message-ID: <K%d0a.54721$Y9.3809209@zwoll1.home.nl>o   labadie wrote:. >>"Roy Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> wrote in message% >>news:3E2E9E6C.C7C36FE0@Omond.net...- >> >>>Gentle colleagues,  >>>0/ >>>faced with the following problem (VMS 7.3-1)c >>>  >>>$ tcpip sho ver >>>e: >>>  Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3B >>>  on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 666 MHzP running OpenVMS V7.3-1 >>>i >>>>>TCPIP> sysconfig -q socketI >>>7
 >>>socket: >>>sbcompress_threshold = 0aG >>>sb_max = 1048576                    <---- what's this a maximum of ?< >  >  Hello >  > in the docN > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6631/6631pro_002.html#inc_sock_buf > N > The socket subsystem attribute sb_max specifies the maximum size of a socket	 > buffer.  > $ > Performance Benefits and Tradeoffs >  > K > Increasing the maximum size of a socket buffer may improve performance ife9 > your applications can benefit from a large buffer size.y > C > You can modify the sb_max attribute without rebooting the system.  >  > When to Tune >  > J > If you require a large socket buffer, increase the maximum socket buffer > size.t >  > Recommended Values >  > J > The default value of the sb_max attribute is 128 KB. Increase this valueN > before you increase the size of the transmit and receive socket buffers (see > Section 10.2.16).b >  >  > M Don't look for section 10.2.16. It isn't there. The tuning manual is derived  P from the Tru64 tuning manual. However they could have payed some more attention # to 'translating' the manual to VMS.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:05:53 +0100$ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at>6 Subject: Re: Telnet  to a BIND Sever & Load Balancing.0 Message-ID: <b1tq42$n54$1@newsreader1.netway.at>  % "M_Alys" <mafia_bond@yahoo.com> wrote. > Hi,b >eF > Would appreciate if someone can help me with this problem, how can IE > configure a remote PC with Windows 98 to telnet to an OpenVms AlphaaH > v7.1-2 server consist of 2 servers with 2 different IPs (i.e. IP-A and/ > IP-B), using BIND service and load balancing.i >i > TIA.  C If you do not want to use strict round robin, but prefer load based  distributionL of clients, have a look at the following components and their configuration:# ( all included in TCP/IP services )eG The METRIC-demon, sampling information on the current load, and sendingr   out metrics toL The LOAD-Balancer, collecting the information received by the METRIC servers and updating the3 DNS server ( that has to support dynamic updates ). L This will even help you with the situation where one of the servers is down,/ because it will be marked as infinitely loaded.e  F Clients querying the DNS server in above example will then receive the addresse. of the least busy host during name resolution.   Don't we all love VMS ?  Peter-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:32:18 -0800c( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>" Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?- Message-ID: <3E4158B2.1AD56BCB@NelsonUSA.com>h   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ^ > In article <87u1fjy2gb.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:3 > > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > >hD > >> There are no versions of VMS for which the source listings wereE > >> available both on Microfiche and CDROM.  Therefore you have somea4 > >> other version covered by a different agreement. > >a? > > Are you totally sure of that? As I recall, it was to be all,@ > > CDs from 5.0 on, but the fiche continued all through the 5.x- > > versions. Were there listing CDs for 5.x?w > D > I recall no overlap, so we will have to let someone else chime in.  ? I am not in my office so I cannot check the exact versions, butt2 there was an overlap from about 5.0 through 5.5-2.> I got both because of the screw-up with the fiche index during= that time frame.   They had to re-make all the v5.x fiche ando CDROM kits.g  < The last full SOURCE (not source LISTINGS) kit I saw was for0 version 4.0, but there may have been later ones.   Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 18:42:14 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG" Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?0 Message-ID: <00A1B0A4.DFD5A443@SendSpamHere.ORG>  R In article <s5k24vsn959e677lh9h26sr0dcpgvo0hjp@4ax.com>, Dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:F >On 4 Feb 2003 23:01:57 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) >wrote:gC >>The official name of the license my company signed for the sourcef> >>listings CD is "Software Program Sources License Agreement". >>E >>I don't believe any VMS source kit has been sold (or requested by aaE >>customer) for years.  In 1981 or so when a consulting client boughtiH >>one, the cost was $25,000.  That is still with trade secrets withheld. >p
 >not correct.  > 6 >DECUS *GAVE* them out for *FREE* at several meetings, >without ANY license.o >a >hrm... what about those Larry?  >  >Dan.d  I 'Tis true and there was no request to execute any aggreement having askedp at least one of the recipients.u  ; The good ol' days of DECUS VAX (later, VMS) Magic sessions.- --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn            m5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" f   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 13:54:54 -0500i& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>" Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?0 Message-ID: <A1e0a.535$062.433@news.cpqcorp.net>  
 Dan wrote:  D > I have some source printouts in BLISS, of things like CALC, and so  > forth. What an odd language... >  > Dan.  E Other than the explicit fetch operator, what do you find 'odd' about v BLISS.  E Yes, I know, BLISS is really an expression language (and some folks, oF including myself, take advantage of that - especially inside macros), G but you can write BLISS code that doesn't look all that much different .? than Pascal or C (+/- the speelling of various reserved words)."   -- e John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leadern Hewlett-Packard Companyg   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 08:25:26 -0600"; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h" Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?3 Message-ID: <re3NJAqDnOpd@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  R In article <3ak24vcudp1532f3d8r5iimeatrf9i0e8j@4ax.com>, Dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:G > On 5 Feb 2003 13:06:41 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:-F >>Highly unlikely as the majority of computer users wouldn't even knowH >>what it was.  And in the case of VMS, even more likely as I doubt many5 >>people outside this group  are familiar with BLISS.  > D > I have some source printouts in BLISS, of things like CALC, and so  > forth. What an odd language...  I    Yes, BLISS is a real PITA to write things in.  Still, that's a little 3J    bit better I think than a lnaguage in which buffer oveflows are a PITA     to prevent.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 07:27:55 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>  Subject: Re: What is a Cluster ?) Message-ID: <3E420E7B.8F3BCB5C@127.0.0.1>j   labadie wrote: > I > Yesterday I went to Linux Solutions near Paris (www.linuxsolutions.fr),-  > and learned what is a Cluster. > E > On a stand, I talked with one person about a "Linux Cluster" with 2g > nodes.; >  I asked: "so on both nodes I can read and write the samet > data/files/database... ?"9B > "No, this is high availability ("haute disponibilit" he said in- > french), it's different and more expensive"   E Call me a bigot, call me anything you like, but I really get offendeds8 when other people describe what they think is a cluster.  E It's like the difference between a maximum of two people with a kazooi each, and a jazz orchestra.L   -- w? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesb nclews at csc dot com'   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:07:16 +01000 From: "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1>  Subject: Re: What is a Cluster ?0 Message-ID: <puq0a.578$IG2.386@news.cpqcorp.net>  * "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote >-G > Call me a bigot, call me anything you like, but I really get offendedo: > when other people describe what they think is a cluster.  7 You can definitely add me to the list of the bigots :-)y   Grard   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:30:06 GMT-+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>m  Subject: Re: What is a Cluster ?2 Message-ID: <BA67A35C.3BAD%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  K On 2/6/03 2:07 AM, in article puq0a.578$IG2.386@news.cpqcorp.net, "labadie"i' <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> wrote:o   > , > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote >>  H >> Call me a bigot, call me anything you like, but I really get offended; >> when other people describe what they think is a cluster.L > 9 > You can definitely add me to the list of the bigots :-)a >  > Grard >  >   Me Too!  E If you really wanna get pissed off, read a Windows NT Cluster book ordE manual. They use all the same terminology of VMS clusters to describe B totally different functions. You should see what they call Quorum!H Scum sucking Rats at Microsoft couldn't come up with an original idea ifK they had to! Why didn't they call it Microsoft NT Failover. That is what it  is.n   Jeff Cameron http://www.jcameron.com/vms/@ Order you own "OpenVMS DCL, The original .COM" Bumper sticker at' http://www.jcameron.com/vms/bumpers.htmV   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:48:57 -05005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>a  Subject: RE: What is a Cluster ?O Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D5B36231@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   D Count me in too - this pseudo cluster stuff coming out in the past =	 couple ofh0 years is sooooo lame compared to VMS circa 1988.   -----Original Message-----2 From: Nic Clews [mailto:sendspamhere@127.0.0.1]=20) Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:28 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma  Subject: Re: What is a Cluster ?     labadie wrote: >=203 > Yesterday I went to Linux Solutions near Paris=20t9 > (www.linuxsolutions.fr), and learned what is a Cluster.  >=20H > On a stand, I talked with one person about a "Linux Cluster" with 2=20B > nodes.  I asked: "so on both nodes I can read and write the same > data/files/database... ?" D > "No, this is high availability ("haute disponibilit=E9" he said in- > french), it's different and more expensive"a  G Call me a bigot, call me anything you like, but I really get offended =- when3 other people describe what they think is a cluster.   G It's like the difference between a maximum of two people with a kazoo =i each,  and a jazz orchestra.2   --=20rH Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences nclews = at csc dot comc    G The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged =i and B confidential information and is intended only for the use of the =	 person(s)'H named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or = agent-F responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any< review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this = communication isD strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please = contactCD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theD original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders = and/orC instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for =i carrying$ out such orders and/or instructions.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:47:09 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: What is a Cluster ?0 Message-ID: <00A1B14D.33378782@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <BA67A35C.3BAD%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:L >On 2/6/03 2:07 AM, in article puq0a.578$IG2.386@news.cpqcorp.net, "labadie"( ><en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> wrote: >s >> s- >> "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wroteo >>> I >>> Call me a bigot, call me anything you like, but I really get offendede< >>> when other people describe what they think is a cluster. >>  : >> You can definitely add me to the list of the bigots :-) >> G	 >> Grard  >>   >> e	 > Me Too!( >mF >If you really wanna get pissed off, read a Windows NT Cluster book orF >manual. They use all the same terminology of VMS clusters to describeC >totally different functions. You should see what they call Quorum!-I >Scum sucking Rats at Microsoft couldn't come up with an original idea ifnL >they had to! Why didn't they call it Microsoft NT Failover. That is what it >is.  @ If you can't implement to the definition, change the definition. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            r5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" a   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 09:34:04 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)   Subject: Re: What is a Cluster ?3 Message-ID: <vJw4g1w4QjkK@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  U In article <00A1B14D.33378782@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:-b > In article <BA67A35C.3BAD%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:   >>> 
 >> Me Too! >>G >>If you really wanna get pissed off, read a Windows NT Cluster book or'G >>manual. They use all the same terminology of VMS clusters to describe D >>totally different functions. You should see what they call Quorum!J >>Scum sucking Rats at Microsoft couldn't come up with an original idea ifM >>they had to! Why didn't they call it Microsoft NT Failover. That is what ito >>is.a > B > If you can't implement to the definition, change the definition. >g  9 	Well I was hoping someone else would trot this out as it = 	essentially reflects the initial question/statement.  Since  D 	active-active clustering is a rarity even today (Parallel Sysplex, B 	Tru64, VMS, NSK?) you have everyone sinking to the lowest common H 	cluster definition.  A cluster has many definitions it appears, Pfister% 	is still searching for them all :-).T  9 	I'm wondering if anyone has been so kind to drop StepheniF 	Shankland a line (stephens@cnet.com) to help clear up his thinking?  D 	My days of correcting the writers is fading in the rearview mirror.  ) http://news.com.com/2100-1001-983162.htmli  
 Cluster champN  N Solid technology helped sustain OpenVMS. One of its chief advantages is strongL "clustering" capability, in which two or more systems are linked together so$ one can take over if another fails.   > 	There you have it.  Fallover clustering.  An OpenVMS feature.  C 	Additionally, anyone care to drop Mr. Kusnetzky a line to correct yG 	his blatant fallacy?  His email address is:  dkusnetzky@idc.com.  I'vet9 	exchanged email with him before, not this time.  Here is % 	a statement I can publically refute:   N "The longtime VAX VMS users had to go through a very painful process to becomeM Alpha VMS users. Will they make that transition again? This is a gamble HP ish taking," Kusnetzky said. M  E 	That of course is probably true in a few cases.  My opinion is he isoA 	overblowing the issue totally as many of us could attest to.  Itb> 	WAS NOT "very painful" at all.  By example, I vested all our E 	VAX binaries (including a 3rd party search engine) and had an Alpha FB 	product in less than 2 weeks.  A few weeks more testing to ensureG 	things worked and they did - flawlessy.  We shipped that for 6 months uF 	prior to a native Alpha VMS product.  When we (me mostly) recompiled D 	the 10s of thousands of lines of C code, I had to change 2 lines.  F 	Puffery like his is very hard to take especially with that "analyst" @ 	label.  He is an expert at analysis and little ol' me hasn't a   	chance.  Oh the pain of it all.  7 	Feel free to use any or all of this posting without myI 	permission.   				Robs   K "Even if the biblical assertion is incorrect that where there is no vision,hH  the people perish, it is difficult to think what could be the engine orJ  stimulus for social behavior in a nihilistic system committed only to theI  certainty of the passage of time, without any energetic relationship to m/  another principle or purpose."  --Lionel Tigerg   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 09:34:15 -0800I0 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)  Subject: Re: What is a Cluster ?= Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0302060934.2fc0cd28@posting.google.com>   h "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<puq0a.578$IG2.386@news.cpqcorp.net>..., > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote > >mI > > Call me a bigot, call me anything you like, but I really get offended < > > when other people describe what they think is a cluster. > 9 > You can definitely add me to the list of the bigots :-)s >  > Grard  F The really sad part is that these people think that what 'they' call a! cluster is "Really Cutting Edge."    Dave.o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:27:59 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>   Subject: RE: What is a Cluster ?T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660D3E@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Re: what is a cluster ?n  J >>> The really sad part is that these people think that what 'they' call =& a cluster is "Really Cutting Edge."<<<  > Time to trot out my new favourite somewhat modified quote: :-)  A ""It's interesting to watch as new users of cluster technology, =tG including reps from [insert company here], are trotted out to explain =mG how great cluster technology is to people who have probably spent the = 0 last decade elbow deep in cluster technology.=20  F "It's like watching a baby discover its toes," said New Jersey coder =E [pick name]. "Not only does the baby think its toes are the coolest = J thing in the world, it insists you must discover your toes too. Watching =G these guys push cluster technology on us is endearing and annoying at =. the same time."c   Ahhh .. Could not resist ..d   :-)s   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicess Voice: 613-592-4660c Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)i OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMt     -----Original Message-----: From: Dave Baxter [mailto:dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com]=20 Sent: February 6, 2003 12:34 PMu To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr  Subject: Re: What is a Cluster ?    = "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> wrote in message = , news:<puq0a.578$IG2.386@news.cpqcorp.net>..., > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote > > C > > Call me a bigot, call me anything you like, but I really get=20hE > > offended when other people describe what they think is a cluster.  >=209 > You can definitely add me to the list of the bigots :-)i >=20
 > G=E9rard  H The really sad part is that these people think that what 'they' call a =! cluster is "Really Cutting Edge."C   Dave.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 11:52:23 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n, Subject: what limits the number of DECterms?; Message-ID: <01KS47HT24XA9GVT85@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>b  D I have a machine which I use mainly to have several DECterms open inH several (9 at the moment) CDE workspaces from which I log in elsewhere. G I have 22 open at the moment (and the DECwindows clock and calendar andtG Mozilla).  It seems that I can't open any more from the terminal-button 9 in the CDE toolbar.  CREATE/TERMINAL works fine, though.     ------------------------------  $ Date: Thursday, 6 FEB 2003 06:27 EST. From: Bryan Jensen <bjj101@arlvax.arl.psu.edu>0 Subject: Re: what limits the number of DECterms?' Message-ID: <qCr0a.10028$Fi3.3527@fe01>m  = Have you checked accounting records for final process status?y As in:	    $ acc/sinceeP  6-FEB-2003 06:26:30 PROCESS INTERACTIVE BJJ          210014C3 MBA7614  00158294 $ exit %x00158294b& %LIB-F-INSEF, insufficient event flags $P  , I'm surprised it works with create/terminal.  F I don't have an answer for you though (other than the obvious that itsB limited by number of event flags).  I've wondered the same myself.  ; In article <01KS47HT24XA9GVT85@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, >    Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:E >I have a machine which I use mainly to have several DECterms open in-I >several (9 at the moment) CDE workspaces from which I log in elsewhere. pH >I have 22 open at the moment (and the DECwindows clock and calendar andH >Mozilla).  It seems that I can't open any more from the terminal-button: >in the CDE toolbar.  CREATE/TERMINAL works fine, though.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 12:53:05 +0100 (MET)u9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 0 Subject: Re: what limits the number of DECterms?; Message-ID: <01KS49Q7BERU9GVT85@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s  ( > %LIB-F-INSEF, insufficient event flags   That was it, thanks!  . > I'm surprised it works with create/terminal.  G It doesn't; the info I posted was wrong.  (I accidentally fired up the vG CREATE/TERMINAL from another machine with the display set to the local w one.)k  H > I don't have an answer for you though (other than the obvious that itsD > limited by number of event flags).  I've wondered the same myself.   How can they be increased?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:26:02 +01000 From: "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1>0 Subject: Re: what limits the number of DECterms?0 Message-ID: <Cws0a.584$YL2.437@news.cpqcorp.net>  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KS49Q7BERU9GVT85@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...7* > > %LIB-F-INSEF, insufficient event flags >p > How can they be increased? Helloo  
 You can't.D Each Decterm window needs an event flag to wait on for non X events.E As Efn 0 and Efn 24-31 are not available, this leaves Efn 1-23, so 23n3 windows is the maximum for each Decterm Controller.n  G A workaround would be to force to start another Decterm Controller. Thee> easiest way to do this is to make a change to your WSA device. If you display looks like this device: WSA1 [exec]  node: 0n Transport:LOCALe server:0 screen:0   if you do aa; $ set display/node=nodename (if nodename is your node name)O followed bys $ create/term/detachH A new controller will be started, and you will then be able to create 23 other Decterm windows.   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:47:47 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>m0 Subject: Re: what limits the number of DECterms?; Message-ID: <01KS4DGO9KWC9GVT85@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>p  D Each Decterm window needs an event flag to wait on for non X events.E As Efn 0 and Efn 24-31 are not available, this leaves Efn 1-23, so 2343 windows is the maximum for each Decterm Controller.    I count 22:H  !  SYSTEM   DTSESSION      0000011B ;  SYSTEM   DTWM           0000011F  (subprocess of 0000011B) :  SYSTEM   SYSTEM$CDE002  00001422  MBA569:  (disconnected):  SYSTEM   SYSTEM$CDE006  00001424  MBA573:  (disconnected);  SYSTEM   SYSTEM_1       000001A2  (subprocess of 0000013B) )  SYSTEM   _FTA10:        0000013D  FTA10:e)  SYSTEM   _FTA11:        0000013E  FTA11:e)  SYSTEM   _FTA12:        0000013F  FTA12:f)  SYSTEM   _FTA13:        00000140  FTA13:o)  SYSTEM   _FTA15:        00000142  FTA15:s)  SYSTEM   _FTA16:        00000144  FTA16: )  SYSTEM   _FTA17:        00000147  FTA17:-)  SYSTEM   _FTA18:        000013DA  FTA18::)  SYSTEM   _FTA19:        000013DC  FTA19:y(  SYSTEM   _FTA1:         00000134  FTA1:)  SYSTEM   _FTA20:        000013DE  FTA20:e)  SYSTEM   _FTA21:        00001403  FTA21:e)  SYSTEM   _FTA22:        00001406  FTA22:I)  SYSTEM   _FTA23:        0000140D  FTA23:y(  SYSTEM   _FTA2:         00000135  FTA2:(  SYSTEM   _FTA3:         00000136  FTA3:(  SYSTEM   _FTA4:         00000137  FTA4:(  SYSTEM   _FTA5:         00000138  FTA5:(  SYSTEM   _FTA6:         00000139  FTA6:(  SYSTEM   _FTA7:         0000013A  FTA7:(  SYSTEM   _FTA8:         0000013B  FTA8:(  SYSTEM   _FTA9:         0000013C  FTA9:  G The first two are clear.  The subprocess is MOZILLA.  The disconnected nI ones are calendar and clock.  So 25 counting ALL windows.  Or is Mozilla rD somehow a window in a sense in which the clock and calendar are not?  I > A workaround would be to force to start another Decterm Controller. Thei@ > easiest way to do this is to make a change to your WSA device.  > If you display looks like this > device: WSA1 [exec]s	 > node: 0  > Transport:LOCALw
 > server:0
 > screen:0 > 
 > if you do a.= > $ set display/node=nodename (if nodename is your node name)9
 > followed by- > $ create/term/detachJ > A new controller will be started, and you will then be able to create 23 > other Decterm windows.   Thanks, I'll give it a go!   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 09:09:55 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e0 Subject: Re: what limits the number of DECterms?3 Message-ID: <Ik5BG+sNGLXM@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  w In article <01KS47HT24XA9GVT85@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:iF > I have a machine which I use mainly to have several DECterms open inJ > several (9 at the moment) CDE workspaces from which I log in elsewhere. I > I have 22 open at the moment (and the DECwindows clock and calendar andbI > Mozilla).  It seems that I can't open any more from the terminal-buttonu; > in the CDE toolbar.  CREATE/TERMINAL works fine, though. r  F    Although the company who came up with CDE now owns VMS Engineering,E    you should not assume that anything like that level of quality hasd0    backported itself into it's earlier software.  C    But it is a shame it got ported to VMS without some improvement.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:15:55 GMTa3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>  Subject: Re: [OT]Re:Columbia5 Message-ID: <3E4065D3.29A6BB34@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>p   GreyCloud wrote: > : > About the most modern RAD hardened chip available is the1 > 80486.  The others wouldn't last long up there."  ?    Cassini, an orbiter getting to Saturn in July 2004 and builte1 in the early '90s, has a RAD hardened MIPS R3000.a   -- Vance Haemmerlea   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 08:11:15 -0600s; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s Subject: Re: [OT]Re:Columbia3 Message-ID: <qPQ+wCjeDJpU@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  a In article <b1rghb$15rn9f$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:e > J > Got any hardened PDP-11's floating around (that could be literally!) :-)  G    Not that I know of.  Can't recall what's in Snoopy, that might stillt4    be floating around but I think it pre PDP-11 era.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2003 08:13:10 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: [OT]Re:Columbia3 Message-ID: <MetVTgPhNE7S@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  R In article <3E41BA31.5F40047@earthlink.net>, ualski <ualski@earthlink.net> writes: > N > FWIW, Core memory is a destructive read device. The state of a bit is sensedO > by trying to set it to a certain state (0 or 1, the designer gets to choose).tO > If the memory is smart and no state change took place, then there is not needKQ > to set it to its original state (ie, this particular read was non-destructive).!M > however, current (and therefore power) is required to attempt to induce theeD > state change and slightly more is needed if the bit changes state.  @    One of the fellows who helped design and build a 70's vintage?    spacecraft computer tells me there's still terabits or so ofoB    manufaactured core sitting around in boxes, if anyone wanted to    thread it and use it.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.074 ************************ on a single computer ("LicensedA $!          Computer").  Use of the Licensed Computer is ONLY FOR  NON-COMMERCIALI $!          USES (e.g., home use).  As such, you may not use the Licensed  ComputerB $!          for any business purposes what/1"+A+QZbz׌7ICރQN~}Lj
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