0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 09 Feb 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 80      Contents: Re: Columbia3 DECWindows Motif on a DS10L without a graphics card 7 Re: DECWindows Motif on a DS10L without a graphics card 7 Re: DECWindows Motif on a DS10L without a graphics card + Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages + Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages + Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages + Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages + Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages  Re: More dumb questions  Re: More dumb questions  Re: More dumb questions - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31  Re: PIAO device error A Re: VAX/Alpha power requirement vs. BillyBox ... was: hideousness  Re: VaxELN HELP appreciated  RE: Very large disks on VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:56:01 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Columbia 2 Message-ID: <C9ecnXYgkbPBTNijXTWcqw@metrocast.net>  H "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD> wrote in message- news:vIXMNHPHhIzQ@eisner.encompasserve.org... @ > In article <-OqdnZ9hZO7qsdmjXTWcpg@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd"  <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:I > > The point is that had an inspection of the tiles been carried out and  found K > > a problem *soon after they achieved orbit* (which presumably would have J > > occurred had any inspection been done at all), it would not have takenJ > > 'another 2 weeks, 3 weeks', but only an additional few days beyond theG > > planned mission duration (if indeed another shuttle could have been  readied  > > in that time). >  > Which could not happen.   A Obviously *nothing* different could happen given that none of the L circumstances were changed:  history is history.  However, had the crew beenD equipped for such EVA as a matter of routine safety for tile-problemL contingencies, and if indeed another shuttle could have been launched withinG 3 weeks (the underlying assumption which my post responded to - and the H document to which you refer below indicates that in this particular caseF Atlantis could have been launched on about a week's notice had it been8 deemed critical), then clearly it *could* have happened.   > L > I found a real good document for those interested in accurate information.9 > Check out http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq.html   L Thanks - it was interesting, though it does tend to discard possible optionsG without thoroughly exploring them (e.g., the idea of launching a manned G Soyuz or unmanned Progress vehicle to bring up supplies that would have E extended the Columbia crew's survival potential until a less frenetic L Atlantis launch could have been arranged:  while docking would not have beenF possible, transfer by EVA would have) and generalize without regard toK specifics (e.g., assuming that the simple fact that both AOA and TAL aborts J require something resembling a reentry would have subjected the vehicle toH stresses sufficient to have destroyed it - even though especially in the: latter case reentry speeds would have been notably lower).  L And perhaps what shines through most clearly is the passion for the endeavorD and an accompanying (entirely understandable, though not necessarilyJ appropriate) defense of the agency responsible for pursuing it:  just likeL VMS, the space program is correctly perceived as hanging by a fairly fragileK thread, and criticism of its owner can be seen as jeopardizing that thread.   K So while emphasizing that NASA had estimated that no dangerous tile problem = existed and at least implying that therefore all the post hoc H second-guessing was inappropriate, it makes no attempt to assess whetherJ NASA *should* have come to that conclusion in the first place (just as theH initial Challenger investigation failed to delve into the details of theD process which approved the coldest launch in the program's history).  J As I said initially, the parallels seem disturbing.  Tile damage was *not*G considered a non-problem during the Shuttle's design phase, and when it H occurred during early launches repair facilities *were* considered.  TheG later decision not to pursue them has a bit more the odor of expediency J (again, the altar on which Challenger was sacrificed) than of closure:  toG suggest that we're incapable of finding a way to repair tiles in orbit, K rather than just find it inconvenient to take the steps necessary to do so, C stretches the limits of credibility - and once that option has been H discarded, a resulting lack of emphasis on any ability even to *inspect*I tiles in orbit is hardly surprising ("Hey, if we can't do anything to fix F them...") and the final jump to deciding that tile damage (having beenI sustained on multiple flights without disaster) constitutes an acceptable L risk in the absence of significant evidence to the contrary (rather than theK more conservative approach of at least taking a look to try to verify this) D is all too understandable (but IMO contrary to the attitude that the= response to the Challenger disaster was supposed to instill).   J It is, of course, conceivable that a thorough investigation will find thatJ Columbia was destroyed by some entirely different cause.  But I'm not sure< even that would change the above observations all that much.   - bill   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:57:00 +0000 (UTC)8 From: "Billy Bobette2002" <BillyBobette2002@yahoo.co.uk>< Subject: DECWindows Motif on a DS10L without a graphics card/ Message-ID: <b25mnc$lfu$1@venus.btinternet.com>    Hi,   H I recently acquired a DS10L which I've configured to run OpenVMS v7.3-1.F During the install I requested that DECWindows Motif be installed. TheK machine does not have a graphics card at present (or a keyboard, monitor or H mouse) and I access it from my PC using Reflections via TCP/IP (TELNET).  J Given this hardware setup is it possible to install some software on my PCK to act as the Motif Windows Manager and use my PC as the front-end to VMS ? K I remember in the past is was pretty easy to redirect DECTerms etc from one G workstation to another but I'm not sure about having the whole MWM on a  remote machine.   J Incidentally I have Pathworks32 which I believe has a version of X11 for a PC.    Regards, Steve    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 15:23:18 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG@ Subject: Re: DECWindows Motif on a DS10L without a graphics card0 Message-ID: <00A1B3AD.BEFA4288@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <b25mnc$lfu$1@venus.btinternet.com>, "Billy Bobette2002" <BillyBobette2002@yahoo.co.uk> writes: >Hi, > I >I recently acquired a DS10L which I've configured to run OpenVMS v7.3-1. G >During the install I requested that DECWindows Motif be installed. The L >machine does not have a graphics card at present (or a keyboard, monitor orI >mouse) and I access it from my PC using Reflections via TCP/IP (TELNET).  > K >Given this hardware setup is it possible to install some software on my PC L >to act as the Motif Windows Manager and use my PC as the front-end to VMS ?L >I remember in the past is was pretty easy to redirect DECTerms etc from oneH >workstation to another but I'm not sure about having the whole MWM on a >remote machine. > K >Incidentally I have Pathworks32 which I believe has a version of X11 for a  >PC. > 	 >Regards,  >Steve >  >    Login to your Alpha and issue   2 $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=<PeeCee>/TRANSPORT=TCPIP $ @SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTSM      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:52:22 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> @ Subject: Re: DECWindows Motif on a DS10L without a graphics card' Message-ID: <3E468746.A4F3EE29@fsi.net>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > l > In article <b25mnc$lfu$1@venus.btinternet.com>, "Billy Bobette2002" <BillyBobette2002@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > >Hi, > > K > >I recently acquired a DS10L which I've configured to run OpenVMS v7.3-1. I > >During the install I requested that DECWindows Motif be installed. The N > >machine does not have a graphics card at present (or a keyboard, monitor orK > >mouse) and I access it from my PC using Reflections via TCP/IP (TELNET).  > > M > >Given this hardware setup is it possible to install some software on my PC N > >to act as the Motif Windows Manager and use my PC as the front-end to VMS ?N > >I remember in the past is was pretty easy to redirect DECTerms etc from oneJ > >workstation to another but I'm not sure about having the whole MWM on a > >remote machine. > > M > >Incidentally I have Pathworks32 which I believe has a version of X11 for a  > >PC. > >  > >Regards,  > >Steve > >  > >  >  > Login to your Alpha and issue  > 4 > $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=<PeeCee>/TRANSPORT=TCPIP > $ @SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTSM   H ...where "<PeeCee>" is the IP address of the PC. Exclude the "<" and ">" characters.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:19:48 +0100$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages+ Message-ID: <00A1B3AD.3D18E835.12@decus.de>   4 "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:   > [...]  > I > As far as a browser is concerned, it is getting more and more difficult D > to find websites (- at leat the ones I am interested in) that willH > actually work with anything but IE.  The one thing we will all have toI > face one day is the fact that "our" internet is long gone.  replaced by I > marketeers and scumbags (spammers).  We can gripe and complain and yell H > and scream all we want, but it will be like spitting into a gale-forceI > wind.  So, we either deal with it, or move to Montana where the nearest J > telephone pole is hundreds of miles away and become a hermit without any > technology at all.  @ I have found a lot of web sites which want to start with a fancyD animation -- and if the program to display that (usually "MacromediaF Flash Player") isn't present they try to enforce a download. Only veryF few have a "skip intro" button somewhere on the page to make it usable1 for people who do not want to allow the download.   F I have also found a lot of web sites which try to enforce the usage ofD JavaScript -- even if they really use it for a very small percentage@ of their web pages only and most of the pages could be displayedD properly without JavaScript enabled. They usually only say "You haveE to enable the usage of JavaScript first -- then you may come back." I # won't come back to such sites ever.    Michael    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 13:28:05 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages0 Message-ID: <00A1B39D.A4F97C9B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <3E45BCA0.BB3B0B93@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:
 >{...snip...} H >It is also difficult to get things like VPN tunnels working as a CLIENTG >on a VMS box.  I can no longer use a dialup to get into my data center H >without using VPN.  My only "desktop" is my laptop which I take home in  J Why?  It's not that it *can't* work on VMS, it's just that the VPN vendors can spell VMS.    J FYI, a certain vendor of a VPN product that I was forced to use can't even+ get it to function properly on a PeeCee.        I >case I am called in the middle of the night.  One must use the best tool C >THAT IS AVAILABLE for the job.  Some of the apps I need may not be F >readily available on VMS, so I must rely on my "pc" to do the job forG >which it was intended.  A front-end to the servers.  DECWrite, DECCalc E >are all so far out of date with the things I need to do my job, that H >it's like comparing apples and oranges.  The footprint of the laptop isF >very small compared to having a VAX/Alphastation sitting on my cube -H >not to mention it is usually 3 times a loud.  As someone said recently,8 >DEC/COMPAQ/HP lost the workstation war a long time ago. > H >As far as a browser is concerned, it is getting more and more difficultC >to find websites (- at leat the ones I am interested in) that will G >actually work with anything but IE.  The one thing we will all have to H >face one day is the fact that "our" internet is long gone.  replaced byH >marketeers and scumbags (spammers).  We can gripe and complain and yellG >and scream all we want, but it will be like spitting into a gale-force H >wind.  So, we either deal with it, or move to Montana where the nearestI >telephone pole is hundreds of miles away and become a hermit without any  >technology at all.   E So, when the rest of the industry standardized on hex head nuts, this F asshole in Redmond decided to use octagonal head nuts.  I'm suppose to& toss out the entire garage tool set?     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 13:38:11 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages0 Message-ID: <00A1B39F.0FCAD04D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  R In article <00A1B3AD.3D18E835.12@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:
 >{...snip...} A >I have found a lot of web sites which want to start with a fancy E >animation -- and if the program to display that (usually "Macromedia G >Flash Player") isn't present they try to enforce a download. Only very G >few have a "skip intro" button somewhere on the page to make it usable 2 >for people who do not want to allow the download. > G >I have also found a lot of web sites which try to enforce the usage of E >JavaScript -- even if they really use it for a very small percentage A >of their web pages only and most of the pages could be displayed E >properly without JavaScript enabled. They usually only say "You have F >to enable the usage of JavaScript first -- then you may come back." I$ >won't come back to such sites ever.  D ...and I go one step further.  I email the administrative contact ofC the domain and the web master and ask them to forward to the appro- D priate marketing/sales droids.  I explain that because they have en-C cumbered their web site with unnecessary, proprietry, non-standard, D and possibly insecure features that they have lost a sale.  I informC them that I am not alone but I am one of the few that will let them 
 know this.  D ...and when will we get a browser for VMS that will function on any C of these JavaScript endowed sites?  CSWB? Yeah, right!  It can't be 5 used to even properly navigate HP/Compaq's own sites.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 03 16:16:14 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages) Message-ID: <z9Te8DQjQx1z@elias.decus.ch>   R In article <00A1B3AD.3D18E835.12@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:  B > I have found a lot of web sites which want to start with a fancyF > animation -- and if the program to display that (usually "MacromediaH > Flash Player") isn't present they try to enforce a download. Only veryH > few have a "skip intro" button somewhere on the page to make it usable3 > for people who do not want to allow the download.  >   K Intensely annoying. It's comparable to your local supermarket or department L store forcing you to watch a video before getting through the door. That canJ be fine for a TV or video shop, but you don't want to go through that just
 to buy bread.    H > I have also found a lot of web sites which try to enforce the usage ofF > JavaScript -- even if they really use it for a very small percentageB > of their web pages only and most of the pages could be displayedF > properly without JavaScript enabled. They usually only say "You haveG > to enable the usage of JavaScript first -- then you may come back." I % > won't come back to such sites ever.  > H I've even found one which refuses entry for Netscape users if Javascript9 is enabled, but lets you straight in if it's disabled :-)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:39:13 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages' Message-ID: <3E468431.361991A5@fsi.net>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > [snip]G > So, when the rest of the industry standardized on hex head nuts, this H > asshole in Redmond decided to use octagonal head nuts.  I'm suppose to& > toss out the entire garage tool set?  G Sure! Just contact your local certified tool distributor for a complete  new set!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2003 08:34:29 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)   Subject: Re: More dumb questions5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-92GY7DS0TFUg@localhost>   B On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 03:09:31 UTC, jasper <jasper@never.tell> wrote:  6 > >Is the logical  DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS set to TRUE? > H > I tried "set decw$ignore_decwindows=true" and got a reply that made meA > realize I had done this wrong. I don't understand commands yet.   D Logical names have theire values DEFINEd. IIRC the above would be :-  . $ DEFINE   DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS      "TRUE"   D ISTR you would need to change the definition to "FALSE" if you want  windows to operate.    Check with HELP DEFINE.   F Going back to the /PAGE qualifier. You can use this with most commandsD that write to SYS$OUTPUT (your screen). i.e DIFF, SEARCH, DUMP etc. E Just be careful with DIFF. Here /PA is not enough. You need at least  B /PAG to enable DCL to differentiate  between  /PAGE and /PARALLEL.   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 08:15:55 -0800   From: jasper <jasper@never.tell>  Subject: Re: More dumb questions8 Message-ID: <vkvc4vkeb72gl9romf153t4rd8k73jvb45@4ax.com>  C On 9 Feb 2003 08:34:29 GMT, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)  wrote:  C >On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 03:09:31 UTC, jasper <jasper@never.tell> wrote:  > 7 >> >Is the logical  DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS set to TRUE?  >>  I >> I tried "set decw$ignore_decwindows=true" and got a reply that made me B >> realize I had done this wrong. I don't understand commands yet. > E >Logical names have theire values DEFINEd. IIRC the above would be :-  > / >$ DEFINE   DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS      "TRUE"   > E >ISTR you would need to change the definition to "FALSE" if you want   >windows to operate. >  >Check with HELP DEFINE. > G >Going back to the /PAGE qualifier. You can use this with most commands E >that write to SYS$OUTPUT (your screen). i.e DIFF, SEARCH, DUMP etc.  F >Just be careful with DIFF. Here /PA is not enough. You need at least C >/PAG to enable DCL to differentiate  between  /PAGE and /PARALLEL.  >  >Cheers - Dave.    Much thanks to you, Dave.     > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:50:37 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>   Subject: Re: More dumb questions' Message-ID: <3E4686DD.8E3C4579@fsi.net>    Michael Austin wrote:  >  > jasper wrote:  > > I > > On Sat, 08 Feb 2003 16:09:38 -0800, jasper <jasper@never.tell> wrote:  > > F > > Thanks to Bradford and Ken for the fast answers. I have the systemE > > installed, also the motif and tcp/ip packs. Still get no gui when E > > rebooting. The system always says "no graphics devices detected."  > <snip> > 2 > What is the sygen parameter WINDW_SYSTEM set to?  2 At the "$ " prompt, you can retrieve this like so:   $ MC SYSGEN SHOW WINDOW_SYSTEM   ...or...  $ $ MC SYSMAN PARAM SHOW WINDOW_SYSTEM   C > Did you attempt to start decwindows in the SYS$STARTUP directory? 5 > Is the logical  DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS set to TRUE?   3 At the "$ ", prompt, you can retrieve this like so:   % $ SHOW LOGICAL DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS    Guys:   A When making such suggestions to newbies, remember that they *ARE* E newbies - they probably do not know how to examine SYSGEN parameters, E much less have any concept of what a parameter or SYSGEN might be. It ; also helps to spell facility and parameter names correctly.   G Non-VMS folks likely have no concept of a logical name, at least not as A VMSers know such. Explanation of the differences between LNMs and B "symbols" may be helpful, but most helpful would be an example (atF least) of the syntax to retrieve the info (SHOW LOGICAL, for example).  	 My $0.02.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2003 09:38:21 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302090938.524c3a46@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E454A38.1546FA54@fsi.net>...J > The future of VMS is inexhorably tied to the future of Itanic. If Itanic9 > sinks, VMS sleeps with the fishes right along with it.    F During the last port, the goal was to get VMS to run on Alpha.  In theE present porting effort, the team started with the assumption that VMS C will be around for decades more, and that this port will NOT be the C last port of VMS to a new architecture.  History has shown that new @ computing paradigms with new CPU architectures sweep through theB industry about every 10 years or so, so VMS will need to be portedE again in another 10 years, and again 20 years from now, 30 years from  now, and so on.   D As a result of this mindset, much effort is being taken right now soE that VMS will be easier to port in the future, removing architectural B dependencies wherever possible, and putting things that used to be; provided by the platform into VMS itself whenever possible.   @ So it is not a question of whether VMS will be ported to another@ architecture, it is merely a quesion of when.  In the event that@ Itanium were to fail and Hammer to succeed, VMS could readily be? ported to Hammer, and it will be much easier to do so after the > present porting effort, with its removal of many architectural dependencies, is complete.  E Because it will be at least a couple of years yet (maybe 3) before it B becomes clear whether Hammer or Itanium has won in the marketplaceB (assuming AMD survives financially), it just doesn't make sense to start a Hammer port yet.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:27:58 +0100$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31* Message-ID: <00A1B3F9.D0DA49D6.8@decus.de>  4 "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:  > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# news:<3E454A38.1546FA54@fsi.net>... L > > The future of VMS is inexhorably tied to the future of Itanic. If Itanic: > > sinks, VMS sleeps with the fishes right along with it. > H > During the last port, the goal was to get VMS to run on Alpha.  In theG > present porting effort, the team started with the assumption that VMS E > will be around for decades more, and that this port will NOT be the 0 > last port of VMS to a new architecture.  [...] > F > As a result of this mindset, much effort is being taken right now soG > that VMS will be easier to port in the future, removing architectural D > dependencies wherever possible, and putting things that used to be= > provided by the platform into VMS itself whenever possible.  > B > So it is not a question of whether VMS will be ported to another6 > architecture, it is merely a quesion of when.  [...] >  > [...]   D That rises another question: What about a _parallel_ port to anotherF _existing_ 64-bit CPU architecture which has proven its strengths overA years: IBM's Power4. As far as I know that processor doesn't make D assumptions about the file system on the disk it has to boot from asF does Itanic. (No, I don't want to restart the "FAT partition" thread.)  ( Simply let customers decide what to buy.   Michael    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2003 09:02:09 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: PIAO device error= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302090902.4ffb7364@posting.google.com>   f "Arindam" <arindam-dsp@sail-steel.com> wrote in message news:<015201c2cf4d$66c1bf00$3c03e980@bofpc>...N > I am getting a error in our VAX 3400 system running on VMS 5.5-2  which says > something like this :  > D > %pia0% port is going to be re-started -  Number of retries left 49 > A > This  goes on for 49 times more and then this message appears :  >  > "port piao is going offline" > @ > After this I cannot log onto the system even form the console. ... 8 > I cannot what is the problem, what is the device PIA0: > PLease help. > Arindam Paul  B PIDRIVER is the port driver for the embedded DSSI interface in theE 3400.  It's getting some sort of error, and tries to reset things and 1 work around it, but the error keeps re-occurring.   : I'd check the connections and termination on the DSSI bus.  C It might also be helpful to take a look at the entries in the error + log.  There may well be a hardware problem.   D Being unable to log in is probably a result of the system disk beingD on DSSI, and becoming inaccessible after PIDRIVER gives up trying to communicate on DSSI.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 13:19:20 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGJ Subject: Re: VAX/Alpha power requirement vs. BillyBox ... was: hideousness0 Message-ID: <00A1B39C.6DC36AF8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <3E457354.4FDBBA2D@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:L >> The load is ~50% (you can see for yourself at http://www.tmesis.com:2798) >  >Show off ! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  > R >So, now we're getting into a "my UPS is bigger than yours" pissing contest ?????? >  >:-) :-)  , ... and I have two of them too!  Redundancy!    L >out of curiosity, how does the above work ? Is this some VMS based softwareN >that polls your UPS, or is this the UPS that actually responds to the requestI >because your router routes the call to the UPS box with a buiilt-in HTTP 	 >server ?   I It's a single .EXE which polls the UPS for information, provides a multi- I theaded HTTP server and composes the HTML to present the information that   was gathered from each polling.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2003 08:34:24 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) $ Subject: Re: VaxELN HELP appreciated5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-4W6FXwL5TeV7@localhost>   4 On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:38:39 UTC, "W.B.(Wim) Hofman"   <hofmanwb@worldonline.nl> wrote:  	 > Hi All,  > N > VAXELN is new to me, but I am reasonably at home in the internals of RSX11M, ... K > project each time when the 3rd realtime vax was started, but then:maximum L > links was 32 and maximum circuits was16. This error disappeared when theseJ > quantities were doubled to maximum links=64 and maximum circuits=32. TheK > earlier values were ok during the years when only two realtime vaxes were B > active.and with 2 realtime vaxes these crashes were not noticed.M > The realtime vaxes all have the remote debugger. The installation is 140 km  > from my home.    Wim E           I've forwarded this to myself at work so i can have a look  A monday. I have no ELN documentation here  at home so can't check  F anything. One implication from the earlier symptom/fix described aboveF is that there is a possibility that, assuming your application doesn'tB need more than 16, circuits aren't being closed and released when A finished with. Similarly, there could have been a related bug in  F VAX/ELN V4.0 that has been fixed in subsequent releases. V4.6 was the F last IIRC. I can't remember if we're on 4.5 or 4.6. The release notes 0 should be online from HP but I'm not sure where.  D The normal way of remote debugging is with the ELN debugger EDEBUG.  You do that (IIRC) by :-  # 	$ EDEBUG nodename | decnet address   D EDEBUG is nowhere near as good as the remote debugging support that F was added for ADA. If your development VAX has the ADA debugger on it  then try :-    	$  DEB /REM nodename   F to try and talk to remote nodes. You then have the usual VMS debugger  interface to the remote system.   F All this becomes easier if you are working on/from the VAX/VMS system D on which the ELN systems were built. Source code level debugging is D not so easy if you don't have access to the project source code :-).  A I just tried to describe something and realised I was hazy on my  F terminology. I have no desire to confuse you, so no more until I'm at ! work and can check my statements.    --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:45:28 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> $ Subject: RE: Very large disks on VMST Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660D54@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   David,  2 >>> Heartbreak Deja Vu: Ever drop an RP06 pack?<<<  G Heartbreak is being a FE on call on Friday night and hoping it is going F to be a quiet weekend as you have lots of stuff to do and then gettingB the following call from some mission critical customers operator -G "well, there was a strange noise coming out of this one RP0x, drive, so H I moved the pack to each of the other drives we had and now they are all making noises .. Any idea's?"   F Weekend is now shot and around the clock job starts to replace all theH heads on all the Customers drives where that Operator moved the bad pack@ to. First task is to stop and pick up baseball bat as it will be0 involved in the first task when you get on site.   :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM      -----Original Message-----9 From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]=20  Sent: February 3, 2003 10:17 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ Subject: Re: Very large disks on VMS     Alan Frisbie wrote:  >=20 > JF Mezei wrote:  > >  > > Jim Geier wrote: > > > I > > > With the evolution towards larger and larger disks, and now with=20 J > > > the EVA moreso than its predecessors, it is possible to have VERY=20" > > > large disks on a VMs system. > > H > > Back in the 1980s, VMS supported HUGE drives. They were so big, they  J > > needed 2 males to lift, required a 1/3hp electric motor to spin, 15=20$ > > ams circuit to power EACH drive. >=20H > I would like to see an RP06 lifted by only two people, male or female.  A > Heck, I know some people who had trouble just lifting the pack!    Heartbreak Deja Vu:    Ever drop an RP06 pack?   8 Ever see a FE drop an RP06 calibration (reference) pack?  E Drop a line to Mark Levy for these and other interesting RP06 stories E (including trashing a WHOLE drive's worth of heads - and they weren't  even installed at the time!).    --=20  David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  H Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.080 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            