0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 10 Feb 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 81      Contents:+ Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages + Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages + Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages  HSZ50 Battery Qs Re: More dumb questions  Re: More dumb questions  Re: More dumb questions  Re: More dumb questions  Re: More dumb questions  Re: More dumb questions - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31  Re: Sending uppercase in RSH Re: The importance of ISV's   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:48:19 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages' Message-ID: <3E46F6D3.7000105@MMaz.com>   9 In article <00A1B252.E6BB51BD@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-   @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:   d >>In article <3E440908.E8F92DF1@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >>     >> >>>Michael Unger wrote: 	 >>>        >>> B >>>>I vote for three different formats for all documents: HTML (atJ >>>>Q's/HP's web site for Internet access), BookReader (or equivalent, forF >>>>VMS), and PDF (for BillyToys and similar equipment, also available >>>>from the web site).  >>>>         >>>>O >>>If I had to vote for only 2, I would go for Bookreader and PDF. I personally & >>>find the HTML pages rather useless. >>> Q >>>The PDF manuals that have bookmarks are almost as good as bookreader (with the - >>>advantage that PDF does support graphics).  >>> E Did I miss something here?  Bookreader has never produced output for  H printing as good as PDF, I cannot tell you how many tables, charts, and C graphs were trashed because bookreader could not reader the output  I properly to a postscript or HP laser printer.  With PDF, what you see is   what prints, no questions.     Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:46:22 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages' Message-ID: <3E46F65E.9090707@MMaz.com>    Mark Daniel wrote:   > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > E >> Ok, my home hobbyist network.  Three Linux systems two running on  C >> Intel, one on Alpha.  VMS systems, I have five, a MV 3100, a VS  F >> 4000/60, a VAX 4000/500, a VAX 4000/700, an Alphastation 200.  DEC D >> Unix, I have an old AlphaServer 1000.  As for Wintel, I have one I >> dual-933 running W2K Server, and desktop Win2KPro, and Win98 PeeCee's.  > C > Barry, do you have your power beamed in from the plant?  I have a J > Wintel, a VAXstation 4000 and an AlphaStation 500 on my study desk (justJ > for the survey the Wintel box is my X Display Server).  These are alwaysG > up (the VAX and Alpha constantly, the Wintel I reboot occasionally to I > clear dial-up network issues and then sometimes another device stuff-up F > of some description).  My electric meter has it's spin-disk bearings > replaced semi-annually.   G I live in the desert, so during the winter it isn't a problem and it's  G actually nice, with the extra heat thrown off in the house, but during  E the summer, my electric bill triples just to keep the house below 80  I degrees F.  At that point, I do have to admit that I shutdown the bigger  # horses unless I really need them...    Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:57:34 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> 4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages' Message-ID: <3E46F8FE.5010608@MMaz.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:  W > In article <3E43E5E6.9030402@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  >    >  >>{...snip...} >>     >>C >>>HEY ENCOMPASS!  SURVEY REQUEST: It would be real interesting to  B >>>determine how many VMS folks (SYSMGR's, IT MGR's, NOC's, OP's, H >>>programmers, web designers, etc.) are honestly and actually spending K >>>their entire day sitting on an Alpha or VAX system (either at a console  I >>>or VT terminal or a non-unix/billybox X Thin-client) and not behind a  L >>>billybox or any other non-VMS windowing system!  Be sure to not only ask H >>>for the categories, but head counts for each so we can see how it is  >>>distributed! 	 >>>        >>>  > D >  I sit at a genuine digital VXT, the damn billybox sits behind me. >  >    > G Point missed...  I'm not suggesting a one-shot e-mail response as you,  H and others have already done, I'm talking about a fair assessment of IT E departments with in companies, VMS sites running production systems,  H with head-count distributions.  This will be meaningful, will Encompass @ do this and if so, when...  I'm a 'paid' member, I'm interested!   Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2003 16:55:08 -0800 / From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)  Subject: HSZ50 Battery Qs = Message-ID: <754a27c1.0302091655.2c67ce6d@posting.google.com>   = I just received a HSZ50 to play with and have some questions.   C The HSZ50 controller board includes a coin battery.  There was some < discussion earlier that removing this battery is a Bad Idea.  A However, this setup is about 5 years old, and that is putting the D battery at a questionable age.  Can the battery be replaced safely? ; Is there any warning when the battery needs to be replaced?   C Also, is it normal that the clock is lost when the HSZ50 is powered  off?   Thanx!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 12:18:58 -0800   From: jasper <jasper@never.tell>  Subject: Re: More dumb questions8 Message-ID: <dodd4vo9g600nor1d2j80it2pvf9noltm2@4ax.com>  F On Sun, 09 Feb 2003 14:25:57 -0500, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:1 >What is the sygen parameter WINDW_SYSTEM set to?  >>>  >>  5 >> At the "$ " prompt, you can retrieve this like so:  >>  ! >> $ MC SYSGEN SHOW WINDOW_SYSTEM  >>   >> ...or...  >>  ' >> $ MC SYSMAN PARAM SHOW WINDOW_SYSTEM  >>   >>  D >>>Did you attempt to start decwindows in the SYS$STARTUP directory?6 >>>Is the logical  DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS set to TRUE? >>>  >>  6 >> At the "$ ", prompt, you can retrieve this like so: >>  ( >> $ SHOW LOGICAL DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS >>   >> Guys: >>  D >> When making such suggestions to newbies, remember that they *ARE*H >> newbies - they probably do not know how to examine SYSGEN parameters,H >> much less have any concept of what a parameter or SYSGEN might be. It> >> also helps to spell facility and parameter names correctly. >>  J >> Non-VMS folks likely have no concept of a logical name, at least not asD >> VMSers know such. Explanation of the differences between LNMs andE >> "symbols" may be helpful, but most helpful would be an example (at I >> least) of the syntax to retrieve the info (SHOW LOGICAL, for example).  >>   >> My $0.02. >>   >>   > L >So, you're saying that 'dumb' questions should not beget dumb answers?  :-) > R >When I saw the question "Is the logical  DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS set to TRUE?", I P >knew what was being asked, but would a non-VMS person?  The word 'SET' is used N >in many places, on many systems, to do many different things.  I was betting # >that the newbie would choke on it.  > Q >For the record, there are no dumb questions.  I agree with your suggestion that  R >the answers be a bit more precise.  The person asking the question will type the > >command exactly as you specify it.  Always keep that in mind. >  >Dave D  Hear, hear! I second that. VMS, so far, is like being handed a book@ written  in Greek and being asked to learn Greek from it. I am a? Windows and Linux man, entirely new to VMS. All help is greatly  appreciated.    > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 14:56:44 -0800   From: jasper <jasper@never.tell>  Subject: Re: More dumb questions8 Message-ID: <himd4vcf70tk4knbab3d8tvo0kddfclhbv@4ax.com>  7 On Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:50:37 -0600, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:    3 >At the "$ " prompt, you can retrieve this like so:  >  >$ MC SYSGEN SHOW WINDOW_SYSTEM  > 	 >...or...  > % >$ MC SYSMAN PARAM SHOW WINDOW_SYSTEM  > D >> Did you attempt to start decwindows in the SYS$STARTUP directory?6 >> Is the logical  DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS set to TRUE? > 4 >At the "$ ", prompt, you can retrieve this like so: > & >$ SHOW LOGICAL DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS >  >Guys: > B >When making such suggestions to newbies, remember that they *ARE*F >newbies - they probably do not know how to examine SYSGEN parameters,F >much less have any concept of what a parameter or SYSGEN might be. It< >also helps to spell facility and parameter names correctly. > H >Non-VMS folks likely have no concept of a logical name, at least not asB >VMSers know such. Explanation of the differences between LNMs andC >"symbols" may be helpful, but most helpful would be an example (at G >least) of the syntax to retrieve the info (SHOW LOGICAL, for example).  > 
 >My $0.02.  C Thanks, David. You are absolutely correct. I know NOTHING about vms E commands, syntax, etc. I find the books, and url's I have, to be good C material, but when it comes to doing simple things I am at a loss.    F For instance, I am trying to get my graphics card working so I can use$ the gui--which should help me a lot.  C Because I don't have access to the internet on vms yet, as far as I  know, I d/l'ed theB "dec-axpvms-vms72_graphics-v0100--4.pcsi-dcx_axpece" file from the' Compaq/HP site and burned it onto a cd.   E I assume that I can now boot into vms and at the command prompt enter  the following:D "mount dka500 /over=id". Presumably, this will give me access to theF file? Now, how do I copy it to my hard drive, and how do I install it?B Like David said, I need exact examples for this is very new to me.  D I really appreciate all of the patient help from you gentlemen. I'll learn this yet!     > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:47:17 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: More dumb questions/ Message-ID: <3E46CC5E.E8883B73@vl.videotron.ca>   F > >>>installed, also the motif and tcp/ip packs. Still get no gui whenF > >>>rebooting. The system always says "no graphics devices detected."  N I get that when I try to start DECwindows on my all mighty Microvax II (and it( really doesn't have any graphic device).  D The fact that it says that tells me that it tres to load decwindows.  K at the >>> prompt before booting, if you get a listing of known devices, do  you see a graphics adaptor ?  / (HELP at >>> should get you a list of commands)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 20:20:59 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: More dumb questions/ Message-ID: <3E46F057.877318AE@vl.videotron.ca>   
 jasper wrote: D > "dec-axpvms-vms72_graphics-v0100--4.pcsi-dcx_axpece" file from the) > Compaq/HP site and burned it onto a cd.  > G > I assume that I can now boot into vms and at the command prompt enter  > the following:F > "mount dka500 /over=id". Presumably, this will give me access to the > file?   K If you created the CD in a compatible format such as ISO 9660, yes, you can  use the above command.  K Once mounted, you will want to do a DIR dka500:[000000] to find out if your + file is there or perhaps in a subdirectory.   ? then, with a current directory in your hard drive you have to :   E run dka500:[000000]dec-axpvms-vms72_graphics-v0100--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe   L (or wherever that file is located). This is a self extracting file that will% create a file with a .PCSI extension.   G You can then product install, enter * for product name, let it list the J product and select the graphics patch.  The rest is pretty well automatic.    N HELP PRODUCT INSTALL will give you additional options. But essentially, if youM are in the same directory as the .PCSI, you can PRODUCT INSTAL  and answer *.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2003 18:52:26 -0800 / From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)   Subject: Re: More dumb questions= Message-ID: <754a27c1.0302091852.2c482175@posting.google.com>   ` jasper <jasper@never.tell> wrote in message news:<himd4vcf70tk4knbab3d8tvo0kddfclhbv@4ax.com>...  E > Because I don't have access to the internet on vms yet, as far as I  > know, I d/l'ed theD > "dec-axpvms-vms72_graphics-v0100--4.pcsi-dcx_axpece" file from the) > Compaq/HP site and burned it onto a cd.  > G > I assume that I can now boot into vms and at the command prompt enter  > the following:F > "mount dka500 /over=id". Presumably, this will give me access to theH > file? Now, how do I copy it to my hard drive, and how do I install it?D > Like David said, I need exact examples for this is very new to me. > F > I really appreciate all of the patient help from you gentlemen. I'll > learn this yet!     ) There are a couple of (possible) gotchas.   ? The file you downloaded is actually an executable file.  If you C downloaded it using a browser, there is the possibility that it was > downloaded as text (instead of binary).  This will corrupt it.  E If you have problems with this, FTP it from ftp.service.digital.com.  * It can be found at "/public/vms/axp/v7.2".  ? When you say that you burned it to a CD, I will assume that you  created an ISO9660 CD.  E The native file system for VMS is called ODS.  It may be necessary to = add the /MEDIA=CDROM switch to the MOUNT command to get it to  recognize the ISO9660 format.   C Once you have mounted the CDROM, you should have access to the file B you downloaded.  This is a compressed executable (something like aD self extracting ZIP file), so you will need to RUN it to extract the	 PCSI kit.   ; You could RUN it from the CD with a command something like:   N        $ RUN DKA500:[000000]dec-axpvms-vms72_graphics-v0100--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe  D This will prompt for the name of the extracted file.  Make sure that you put it on a writable disk!  > BTW: Traditionally, the CDROM is DKA400, aka SCSI ID 4, not 5.  E Alternately, you could copy the DCX file to the hard drive and run it  there.  E This should generate a PCSI file.  This is the actual ECO that can be 
 installed.  F The readme file that describes this ECO and how to install it is found at:   \ http://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2/dec-axpvms-vms72_graphics-v0100--4.README  
 Good luck!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 22:50:09 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>   Subject: Re: More dumb questions' Message-ID: <3E472F81.EFE3A9D1@fsi.net>   
 jasper wrote:  > 9 > On Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:50:37 -0600, "David J. Dachtera"   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > 5 > >At the "$ " prompt, you can retrieve this like so:  > > ! > >$ MC SYSGEN SHOW WINDOW_SYSTEM  > >  > >...or...  > > ' > >$ MC SYSMAN PARAM SHOW WINDOW_SYSTEM  > > F > >> Did you attempt to start decwindows in the SYS$STARTUP directory?8 > >> Is the logical  DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS set to TRUE? > > 6 > >At the "$ ", prompt, you can retrieve this like so: > > ( > >$ SHOW LOGICAL DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS > >  > >Guys: > > D > >When making such suggestions to newbies, remember that they *ARE*H > >newbies - they probably do not know how to examine SYSGEN parameters,H > >much less have any concept of what a parameter or SYSGEN might be. It> > >also helps to spell facility and parameter names correctly. > > J > >Non-VMS folks likely have no concept of a logical name, at least not asD > >VMSers know such. Explanation of the differences between LNMs andE > >"symbols" may be helpful, but most helpful would be an example (at I > >least) of the syntax to retrieve the info (SHOW LOGICAL, for example).  > >  > >My $0.02. > E > Thanks, David. You are absolutely correct. I know NOTHING about vms G > commands, syntax, etc. I find the books, and url's I have, to be good D > material, but when it comes to doing simple things I am at a loss. > H > For instance, I am trying to get my graphics card working so I can use& > the gui--which should help me a lot.  E Well, the GUI may not help as much as it does on, say, Linux. Many of ? the configurations are DCL command procedures (equiv. to "shell E scripts"), and as such, have no GUI - they are strictly command-line,  character-cell oriented.  E > Because I don't have access to the internet on vms yet, as far as I  > know, I d/l'ed theD > "dec-axpvms-vms72_graphics-v0100--4.pcsi-dcx_axpece" file from the) > Compaq/HP site and burned it onto a cd.   H Depends on how you d/l'd it. FTP and binary is probably o.k. Other's I'd be skeptical of.  ) Also, what kind of CD did you burn it to?   E VMS cannot read Joliet CDs, and can read ISO-9660 CDs with the caveat C that data the file system (with a space between the words) needs to ? iterpret the file's format are not provided by non-VMS ISO-9660 	 programs.   G > I assume that I can now boot into vms and at the command prompt enter  > the following: > "mount dka500 /over=id".  E Well, sort of, as implied just above. Most newer versions of VMS will A detect ISO-9660 using that MOUNT syntax and will handle the MOUNT B correctly. If the file is intact and if the structure of the CD isB compatible with VMS's ISO-9660 understanding (shoudl adhere fairlyG strictly to the standard, and not take M$-like shortcuts or liberties), 2 you should be o.k. - but that's a *LOT* of "if"'s.  - > Presumably, this will give me access to the H > file? Now, how do I copy it to my hard drive, and how do I install it?D > Like David said, I need exact examples for this is very new to me.  3 Let me refer you to part of my VMS-related website:   3 http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/index.html#mentor   C That link may change by Springtime, but for now it's good. It's not E deeply technical, but there are references to VMS file system related C things, including the difference between a "filesystem" and a "file < system", a foreign concept to most of the non-VMS EDP world.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2003 13:14:49 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 313 Message-ID: <1trnkk6hBnno@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <00A1B3F9.D0DA49D6.8@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:   F > That rises another question: What about a _parallel_ port to anotherH > _existing_ 64-bit CPU architecture which has proven its strengths overC > years: IBM's Power4. As far as I know that processor doesn't make F > assumptions about the file system on the disk it has to boot from asH > does Itanic. (No, I don't want to restart the "FAT partition" thread.)  D I am sure HP would be happy to do that if someone stepped forward toG pay as much for that transition as Intel is paying for the current one.   * > Simply let customers decide what to buy.  8 Life is not that simple on matters of who pays for what.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:42:02 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 312 Message-ID: <r3SdnZ48yYmIMtujXTWcpg@metrocast.net>  1 "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message $ news:00A1B3F9.D0DA49D6.8@decus.de...   ...   ; > That rises another question: What about a _parallel_ port   I IIRC Intel takes a very dim view of parallel ports and has been trying to - get rid of them for years (floppies, too)  :)    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:35:51 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31/ Message-ID: <3E46C9B1.80D61FA3@vl.videotron.ca>    Keith Parris wrote: B > computing paradigms with new CPU architectures sweep through theD > industry about every 10 years or so, so VMS will need to be portedG > again in another 10 years, and again 20 years from now, 30 years from  > now, and so on.   J The problem with the port to IA64 is the possibility that a port to a more> viable platform will be needed before EV79 runs out of breath.  J The confidence level of IA64's long term success is not high. Right now, iK trust Alpha more than IA64 because Alpha's future is less uncertain. If you N embark on Alpha today, you know what to expect and can reap its benefits for aE few years with full knowledge that you'll need to go elsewhere later.   L The only reason to embark on a non-impressive IA64 today, or embark on NT isM with the hope that someday it will become a serious, competitive reliable etc S architecture and that you might as well start building on that platform right away.   E The logic starts to fail when you introduce the risk that Intel might I de-emphasize IA64 in favour of a 64 bit 8086 and only provide a few speed 8 bumps to IA64 to give HP time to migrate to 64 bit 8086.  K Why invest now in a "platform of the future" when that platform's future is 
 not certain ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 22:49:18 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 316 Message-ID: <00A1B3D2.E325026D@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  b In article <3E46CBA3.9FA70868@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:> >> > That rises another question: What about a _parallel_ port > O >More likely to be a serial port since you don't want the engineers overworked. M >Besides, while they are "wasting" their time on that unwanted IA64 port, VMS L >lags other OS in features etc. MAIL really needs a big rework for VMS to be >taken seriously these days.   By whom?  K Seriously, how many people have "must have a really kick-ass character-cell I oriented mail client" on their server OS evaluation checklists?  Of those + people, how many wouldn't pony up for PMDF?   O [That said, I'd love to have VMS mail do all the stuff PMDF mail does; I've got N PMDF at work and miss it on my EDU-licensed home machine.  But I can't imagineN this driving any serious purchasing decisions, especially when TCP/IP ServicesJ bundles IMAP and POP so you can use a variety of PC-based mailers, some of5 which don't suck as bad as Outlook - or so I'm told.]    -- Alan       O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:44:10 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31/ Message-ID: <3E46CBA3.9FA70868@vl.videotron.ca>   = > > That rises another question: What about a _parallel_ port   N More likely to be a serial port since you don't want the engineers overworked.L Besides, while they are "wasting" their time on that unwanted IA64 port, VMSK lags other OS in features etc. MAIL really needs a big rework for VMS to be  taken seriously these days.   K And from an HP pont of view, the goal was to reduce the number of platforms K supported. Get rid of VAX, Alpha and keep only one. Of course, the far mroe F logical thing to do would have been to keep alpha, continue the TandemQ migration to Alpha and just merge HP-UX features into Tru-64 and rename it HP-UX.   M HP would have been leading edge, and with proper business practices, HP could K have sold Alpha chips and boarsds to other companies. Ahh, one can dream...     M The only reason HP would authorize a port of VMS to another platform is if HP  decided to abandon IA64.   Here is the timing of events: N 	-Intel scales back development of IA64, bginging it only simple speed boosts, more cache. V 	-Intel comes up with 64 bit 8086 with all the bells and whistles (including lockstep) 	-Intel donates IA64 back to HP K 	-After a fwe years, HP decides to abandon its proprietary IA64 and go with  industry standard A 	 chips, at which point, VMS, HP-UX, Tandem are ported to 8086-64   L Now, here is the competitive reason for Intel: make its 64 bit 8086 with allK the bells and whistles that allow it to run stuff such as Tandem, and AMD's 3 Hammer won't be able to steal any of that business.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2003 18:36:51 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 313 Message-ID: <cOBRoEGQJwKq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <v4dqag3cr27i89@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: 0 > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:H > : I am sure HP would be happy to do that if someone stepped forward toK > : pay as much for that transition as Intel is paying for the current one.  > H > If the prior poster is correct, the next port will be far cheaper than > this one to Itanium.  @ It can be a _whole_ lot cheaper and still beyond _my_ budget :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 22:32:19 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31' Message-ID: <3E472B53.3E25D057@fsi.net>    Keith Parris wrote:  > [snip]G > Because it will be at least a couple of years yet (maybe 3) before it D > becomes clear whether Hammer or Itanium has won in the marketplaceD > (assuming AMD survives financially), it just doesn't make sense to > start a Hammer port yet.  B On the other hand, since the Itanic port was 100% speculative (theG ill-advised "burning of the ships" (read: AlphaCide) not withstanding), E a Hammer port is, therefore, not without precedent - except, perhaps, C that at least the Itanic spec. was a bit less "fluid" than Hammer's H spec.'s remain, but I think Bill Todd is more qualified to speak to that
 than I am.  G ...additionally, Alpha's announced EOL falls within that "maybe 3" year F span, which still leaves VMS racing full throttle toward a bridge thatF does not yet exist. Continuing that metaphor, "the AlphaCide" could be< likened to cutting the brake lines on that speeding vehicle.  H Course changes are not yet out of the question; but, every delay lessens) the chances of both success and survival.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2003 12:07:35 -0800 : From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)% Subject: Re: Sending uppercase in RSH = Message-ID: <7f15589f.0302091207.7a3b251c@posting.google.com>   t contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) wrote in message news:<ddf392ea.0302080521.20ca7aad@posting.google.com>...  : > Is there any way to send Uppercase characters in RSH ?   >   A >  When I issue lpstat -R inside a RSH command , Solaris system    >  receive "lpstat -r".      D It is unlikely (though possible) that there is anything unique aboutE the way RSH handles command-line arguments, so what you probably need ? is a basic understanding of how argument case is handled in the ? process of command parsing  on VMS.  Traditionally DCL (the VMS ? command shell) upcases everthing that's not protected in double B quotes.  Traditionally the CRTL (C run-time library) downcases theC arguments that DCL has upcased to give them a higher probability of E matching unixy expectations.  Recent versions of VMS have the ability E to override both of these default behaviors, but you don't state your @ VMS version so it's impossible to know whether these options are available to you.    
 Try typing:      $     $ help set process/parse_style     < for more information on changing DCL's behavior, and type:     =     $ help crtl feature_logical_names decc$argv_parse_style      E for more information on changing the CRTL's default behavior.  If the F RSH software you are using is not written in C (unlikely but possible)E this may not help you even if your CRTL is recent enough to have this A feature.  You don't state the vendor or version number of the RSH B software you are using, which might offer clues as to whether this information would be relevant.   F Others have suggested enclosing parameters in double quotes, which may very well be all you need.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:49:26 -0600& From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net>$ Subject: Re: The importance of ISV's/ Message-ID: <v4dtoo8oivg981@corp.supernews.com>   H I understand and share your frustrations.  I believe many of us here do.G But if this issue goes no further than this newsgroup, it won't get any ( attention and certainly won't get fixed.  L I'll send some general notes regarding your traction statements tomorrow andA see where that leads us.  No names or products will be mentioned.     . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE news:Hfi1a.613387$F2h1.552342@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  > 3 > "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net> wrote in message + > news:v4avsen4mti30a@corp.supernews.com... A > > Wonder if Bob Blatz shouldn't be made aware of this.  Or Mark 
 > Gorham.  Or  > > Scott Stallard.  >  > Made aware of what?  > ( > That VMS isn't marketed or advertised? > * > That what little they do is ineffectual? > E > That there are fewer ISV's for VMS now than there ever were for all ' > categories of tools and applications?  > H > That what ISV's need is the confidence that the platforms they develop; > software for have an increasing market share with lots of  > price-insensitive customers? > C > Those guys aren't stupid people. While they seem to have a lot of F > responsibility to do things they also appear to have no authority toB > do anything about it, otherwise there would have been noticeableG > demonstrations of that authority in the Wall Street Journal and other D > leading business publications worldwide, on TV, in trade rags, and > elsewhere prior to today.  > F > But they probably also know that there's no press like bad press andE > that June 25, 2001 was bad press, and that if you help one customer H > you might get one good reference but if you 'injure' a customer you'll > get 20 bad references. > ? > Forgive my cynicism and bluntness, but responsibility without D > authority is a losing proposition for any person in any job. And a > losing proposition for VMS.  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.081 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        DcH >>> 257 "/disk$misc/decus/vax83c/kmskit/vpw/ask" is current directory.  <<< PORT 136,165,113,172,13,286 >>> 200 Port 13.28 at Host 136.165.113.172 accepted.
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started." >>> 226 Transfer completed.Y <<< TYPE I >>> 200 Type I ok.  <<< PORT 136,165,113,172,13,296 >>> 200 Port 13.29 at Host 136.165.113.172 accepted. <<< RETR ask.mar` >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/vax83c/kmskit/vpw/ask/ask.mar (6590 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed. 