0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 12 Feb 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 85      Contents:! "Who says Elephants Can't Dance?" % Re: "Who says Elephants Can't Dance?" % Re: "Who says Elephants Can't Dance?" % Re: "Who says Elephants Can't Dance?"  Re: a PDP-11 question 5 Re: Any way to change shadow set name on system disk? 5 Re: Any way to change shadow set name on system disk? 5 Re: Any way to change shadow set name on system disk? 5 Re: Any way to change shadow set name on system disk?  Re: Barcode Printing from VT510  Re: Barcode Printing from VT510  Re: Barcode Printing from VT510  Cluster Info from DCL  RE: Cluster Info from DCL  Re: Cluster Info from DCL & Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS?P Re: convert the decimal value of TERM_CHAR to a decimal ASCII text string in C wG Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages  Re: E*trade replacing VMS? Fun with FC-AL2 Re: Heat output for DEC / Compaq / HP equipment???2 Re: Heat output for DEC / Compaq / HP equipment???
 Help with CDs  Re: Help with CDs  Re: Help with CDs  Re: Help with CDs  Re: Help with CDs   RE: Hobbyist PAKs from Montagar?+ Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages + Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages + Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages + Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages  Re: HSZ50 Battery Qs Re: HSZ50 Battery Qs Re: HSZ50 Battery Qs$ Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...$ Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...$ Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...$ RE: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...$ Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...- Itanic News (HP Emp.'s should skip this post) = Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available 1 Re: Letter from Mark Gorham on Security Solutions 1 Re: Letter from Mark Gorham on Security Solutions 1 Re: Letter from Mark Gorham on Security Solutions 1 Re: Letter from Mark Gorham on Security Solutions - Letter from Mark Gorham on Security Solutions  More Oracle weirdness  Re: OpenVMS Boot press release Re: OpenVMS Boot press release Re: OpenVMS Boot press release Re: OpenVMS Boot press release Re: OpenVMS Boot press release Re: OpenVMS Boot press release Re: OpenVMS Boot press release- Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31  Re: Rogues GalleryA Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS A RE: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS A Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS P Re: Sysgen and UAF memory limit recommendations for Oracle on small machine (256 Re: TCPIP: How to multihomed Re: TCPIP: How to multihomed Re: TCPIP: How to multihomed Re: TCPIP: How to multihomed Re: TCPIP: How to multihomed The importance of marketing  Re: The importance of marketing  Re: The importance of marketing  UCX XDM, Linux vncserver Re: UCX XDM, Linux vncserver updating BIND? Re: updating BIND? Re: updating BIND?: VAX/VMS V7.3: Backup unable to save files on a vollume set Re:  What is a Cluster?  Re: What is a Cluster? Re: Window Manager Joy Window Manager Joy Re: Window Manager Joy  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:34:36 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> * Subject: "Who says Elephants Can't Dance?"9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEGCGJAA.tom@kednos.com>   ; Just finished Gerstners's Book about his turnaround of IBM. B I think many of you will find it very interesting.  Many parallelsA with Digital, who unfortunately never found a CEO with comparable  vision.  I give you a quote   @ "I love competitors who get hooked on revenue as a key target ofB their performance.  I was gleeful in 1993 when I heard the head ofD Compaq announce that his goal was to surpass IBM in revenue by 1996.D The analysts cheered!  He went off and bought Digital Equipment, andD I cheered! He was eventually fired, and Compaq has since disappeared as a corporation"   E What Gerstner did was to marshall the tremendous resources and talent D at IBM to create a customer-centric focus as the integrating factor.E And it's told in an unpretentious, objective style.  Let's hope Carly  has read the book. --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:23:59 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> . Subject: Re: "Who says Elephants Can't Dance?"' Message-ID: <3E49B03F.4A0E0E9E@fsi.net>    Tom Linden wrote:  > [snip]G > What Gerstner did was to marshall the tremendous resources and talent F > at IBM to create a customer-centric focus as the integrating factor.G > And it's told in an unpretentious, objective style.  Let's hope Carly  > has read the book.  : Will Amazon.com drop ship? I'd just send it her, my treat.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:26:45 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: "Who says Elephants Can't Dance?"/ Message-ID: <3E49A2D3.EED96025@vl.videotron.ca>    Tom Linden wrote:  > = > Just finished Gerstners's Book about his turnaround of IBM. 5 > I think many of you will find it very interesting.    L When the book came out, Gerstner appeared on a few talk shows and I was veryL impressed. He has made HUGE changes to IBM's mentality. I used to work for aH bank (read: IBM shop, brainwahed by IBM reps) and I saw the old arrogantM attitudes and ognorance of non-IBM technologies. (think token ring instead of 2 ethernet). IBM has come a long long way from that.  N I used to despise IBM's attitudes, but now, they seem to be the only reputable
 firm left.  R The big question is whether Palmisaro will be able to continue Gerstner's success.  J Also revealed was how close to bankrupcy IBM was at the time Gerstner tookL over, and how Gerstner succeeded early on in stopping a plan to break up IBM into a billion small pieces.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:03:38 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> . Subject: Re: "Who says Elephants Can't Dance?"( Message-ID: <3E49E3BA.9080008@rdrop.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Tom Linden wrote:  >  >>[snip]G >>What Gerstner did was to marshall the tremendous resources and talent F >>at IBM to create a customer-centric focus as the integrating factor.G >>And it's told in an unpretentious, objective style.  Let's hope Carly  >>has read the book. > < > Will Amazon.com drop ship? I'd just send it her, my treat.  C You suppose if three or four hundred copies showed up in her outer   office, she'd get the hint?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:00:00 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com>  Subject: Re: a PDP-11 question$ Message-ID: <3e49563c$1@news.si.com>  1 >I'm fairly certain that's Sperry and Hutchinson.    Right.  I forgot the "on". --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:57:21 +0100 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> > Subject: Re: Any way to change shadow set name on system disk?6 Message-ID: <3e48baf1$0$49112$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   Bill McLaughlin wrote:b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E4869E9.ED12ACB3@fsi.net>... > 
   [ Snip ] > H > Sorry guys...I guess I wasn't clear on this. I understand about shadowG > sets. What I meant was that having the shadow set be DSB0 rather than C > the original DSA0 would seem more logical since the drives in the - > shadow set are now DSBnn rather than DSAnn.  >  > Bill  F No, there is no supported way to do that. Of course, you could search I for all occurances of 'DSA' in all binaries and patch those to 'DSB' but  H I think that you should do that only *AFTER* you have dismounted one of E your current shadow set members, because you *WILL* need that backup.     I am sure this does not help ;-)   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:21:27 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>> Subject: Re: Any way to change shadow set name on system disk?( Message-ID: <3E48CEA7.E838408@127.0.0.1>   Bill McLaughlin wrote: > H > I have a two member shadowed system disk (DSA0) consisting of DKA0 andE > DKA100. After adding a second SCSI card (narrow) in a PCI slot, the B > built-in wide SCSI now shows up as PKB0 instead of PKA0.  So, ofG > course the disks now show up as DKB0 and DKB100.  However, the shadow F > set still shows up as DSA0.  Is there any way to change this so that  > the shadow set would be DKB0:?  D Ah, you learn the value of DISK$volume_label logical names and other logicals...   ? I assume this is an alpha, you do have the use of the PAC (Port G Allocation Class) where a SCSI port of A to D or whatever is taken to a . $n$xxA.. See the documentation for it's usage.  H However, that's a last resort, I would take the opportunity (for this isE an opportunity, not a problem) to correct trying to refer to physical D devices. You could define DKB0 to DSA0, if you've no need for a realG DKB, but you are asking for a lot of trouble. Other responses correctly " pointed out it will always be DSA.  E You could also try swapping the SCSI board slots. I did look into the D details of this a long time ago, but basically depending on make andB model, the slot probing order (and therefore the A, B designation)A change be used to advantage, but YMMV, and you'll need to do some  experimentation.  B But, as I said at the top, try to lose your dependence on physical
 device names.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 18:14:34 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) > Subject: Re: Any way to change shadow set name on system disk?= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302111814.312b8585@posting.google.com>   X Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3E48CEA7.E838408@127.0.0.1>...A > I assume this is an alpha, you do have the use of the PAC (Port I > Allocation Class) where a SCSI port of A to D or whatever is taken to a 0 > $n$xxA.. See the documentation for it's usage.  A Nic has an excellent point here, which would be easy to overlook.   B Provided you're running a relatively-recent version of VMS (7.1 orE greater), you can set the SYSGEN paramter DEVICE_NAMING to a value of B 1 instead of the default value of 0 to have VMS use the "new" SCSIE device naming rules.  These new rules allow you the option of keeping  "A" as the controller letter.   @ In your case, you could have set a port allocation class for theC original SCSI controller.  Let's say you picked "1".  You could set B this port allocation class in SYSBOOT during a conversational boot (>>>BOOT -FLAGS 0,1) by doing     SYSBOOT> SET/CLASS PKA 1  or by using CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM.   < Your device names at this point would have been $1$DKA0: and $1$DKA100:.   C Then, after adding the 2nd SCSI controller, you could have done, in  SYSBOOT on the way back up:     SYSBOOT> SET/CLASS PKA 2     SYSBOOT> SET/CLASS PKB 1 > and your device names would have remained the same despite theE addition of the 2nd SCSI controller. (Any disks on the new controller 8 would show up with device names of the form $2$DKAxxx:.)  @ This is documented in the Cluster manual (although it applies to standalone systems also) -- see @ http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/731FINAL/4477/4477pro_010.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:36:51 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>> Subject: Re: Any way to change shadow set name on system disk?5 Message-ID: <1030211212726.3999B-100000@Ives.egh.com>   & On 11 Feb 2003, Bill McLaughlin wrote:  Z > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3E48CEA7.E838408@127.0.0.1>... > > Bill McLaughlin wrote: > > > L > > > I have a two member shadowed system disk (DSA0) consisting of DKA0 andI > > > DKA100. After adding a second SCSI card (narrow) in a PCI slot, the F > > > built-in wide SCSI now shows up as PKB0 instead of PKA0.  So, ofK > > > course the disks now show up as DKB0 and DKB100.  However, the shadow J > > > set still shows up as DSA0.  Is there any way to change this so that$ > > > the shadow set would be DKB0:? > > H > > Ah, you learn the value of DISK$volume_label logical names and other > > logicals...  > >  > F > I _do_ use logical names in all my system startup files. The problemD > is, when you do things like "SHOW DEV D", you get shadow set DSA0,H > comprised of DKB0 and DKB100. This is a very minor annoyance and won't5 > cause any problems. However, do _you_ type the full C > "DISK$volume_label" when looking for files, moving things around,  > etc.?   F Never!  I define logical names of the form Dnn: (for nn=0 to whatever,B D0: whenever possible being the system disk), and use those.  Much less typing!   > E > All I wanted was for the shadow name to be in the same format (same D > controller ID) so that when I am typing quickly, or late at night,8 > it's easier and more intuitive to use the short names.  A Rhetorical question:  What would you use for the shadowset device A name if you shadowed DKA200: with DKC400:?  What happens when you A add DKD100: to the shadow set and then drop DKA200: from it?  The C shadow units are virtual devices, without a physical controller, so 9 they always appear as though they were on controller "A".   F BTW, the default controller for device name parsing is controller "A",@ so you can leave it out!  You can say "DS0:" instead of "DSA0:". (Likewise, NL0:, etc. ...)    C > > I assume this is an alpha, you do have the use of the PAC (Port K > > Allocation Class) where a SCSI port of A to D or whatever is taken to a 2 > > $n$xxA.. See the documentation for it's usage. > >  > Thanks. I'll take a look.  > L > > However, that's a last resort, I would take the opportunity (for this isI > > an opportunity, not a problem) to correct trying to refer to physical H > > devices. You could define DKB0 to DSA0, if you've no need for a realK > > DKB, but you are asking for a lot of trouble. Other responses correctly & > > pointed out it will always be DSA. > > I > > You could also try swapping the SCSI board slots. I did look into the H > > details of this a long time ago, but basically depending on make andF > > model, the slot probing order (and therefore the A, B designation)E > > change be used to advantage, but YMMV, and you'll need to do some  > > experimentation. > >  > @ > Uh...I'm not sure my soldering skills are that refined. Per myG > original post, the new PKA controller is a PCI controller but the one 2 > that moved to PKB is part of the mainboard.  ;-) > F > > But, as I said at the top, try to lose your dependence on physical > > device names.  > G > All my device names used in startup procedures, UAF records, etc. are ' > logical names. I agree-- good advice.   
 Me too :-)  	 > Thanks.  > Bill   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:13:05 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: Barcode Printing from VT510/ Message-ID: <3E493D2E.97115B14@vl.videotron.ca>    Alan Adams wrote: M > At a guess, the VT510 is swallowing the escape sequences the printer needs. ) > I can't think of a way to prevent that.   L If you set the terminal to "printer controller mode", then the terminal will< interpret nothing and just sedn the raw data to the printer.   To turn it on: CSI 5 i To turn it off: CSI 4 i   G (where CSI is either the CSI control character, or <ESC> [ combination)   J In printer controller mode the terminal does not try to display or execute escape sequences. L In "auto print mode" ( CSI ? 5 i), the terminal parses the data and tries to display it on the screen.   M So your application must send the CSI 5 i  when it starts to print, and CSI 4  i when it is done printing.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 16:28:29 -0800# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) ( Subject: Re: Barcode Printing from VT510= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0302111628.348ffe7c@posting.google.com>   g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E493D2E.97115B14@vl.videotron.ca>...  > Alan Adams wrote: O > > At a guess, the VT510 is swallowing the escape sequences the printer needs. + > > I can't think of a way to prevent that.  > N > If you set the terminal to "printer controller mode", then the terminal will> > interpret nothing and just sedn the raw data to the printer. >  > To turn it on: CSI 5 i > To turn it off: CSI 4 i  > I > (where CSI is either the CSI control character, or <ESC> [ combination)  > L > In printer controller mode the terminal does not try to display or execute > escape sequences. N > In "auto print mode" ( CSI ? 5 i), the terminal parses the data and tries to > display it on the screen.  > O > So your application must send the CSI 5 i  when it starts to print, and CSI 4  > i when it is done printing. > We use the folowing - I don't remember what the 0t does though< (where are all those vt220 pocket guides when you need them) $       esc[0,7] =   27 I $       csi      =   "''esc'["                                             $       say "''csi'5i"     $       say "''csi'0t"     $       type 'type_file' $       say "''csi'4i" $       exit   Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Feb 2003 19:43 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ( Subject: Re: Barcode Printing from VT510- Message-ID: <11FEB200319431370@gerg.tamu.edu>   4 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes... }Alan Adams wrote:N }> At a guess, the VT510 is swallowing the escape sequences the printer needs.* }> I can't think of a way to prevent that. } M }If you set the terminal to "printer controller mode", then the terminal will = }interpret nothing and just sedn the raw data to the printer.  }  }To turn it on: CSI 5 i  }To turn it off: CSI 4 i } H }(where CSI is either the CSI control character, or <ESC> [ combination) } K }In printer controller mode the terminal does not try to display or execute  }escape sequences.M }In "auto print mode" ( CSI ? 5 i), the terminal parses the data and tries to  }display it on the screen. } N }So your application must send the CSI 5 i  when it starts to print, and CSI 4 }i when it is done printing.  @ In which case it might be a good idea to see what your terminals@ characteristics are set to via a SHOW TERM. Some setings may not7 be compatable with sending such things to the terminal.    --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 15:44:05 -0800. From: Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman) Subject: Cluster Info from DCL< Message-ID: <69d784c4.0302111544.4569fda@posting.google.com>  K How can I script DCL to show me which other nodes in a cluster are up?  Thx    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:44:25 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>" Subject: RE: Cluster Info from DCL0 Message-ID: <01C2D1E4.7F459350@sulfer.icius.com>  0 What doesn't SHOW CLUSTER do that you want done?   -----Original Message-----> From: Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org [mailto:Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org]( Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:44 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Cluster Info from DCL    F How can I script DCL to show me which other nodes in a cluster are up? Thx    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:20:34 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: Cluster Info from DCL' Message-ID: <3E49AF72.B877E09C@fsi.net>    Jack Trachtman wrote:  > M > How can I script DCL to show me which other nodes in a cluster are up?  Thx   E Here's a freebie for the group: I call it simply SHCLU.COM (watch for  wraps):    $ say := WRITE SYS$OUTPUT C $ IF F$GETSYI("CLUSTER_MEMBER") .EQS. "FALSE" THEN GOTO NOT_CLUSTER & $ ftime  = f$getsyi( "cluster_ftime" )' $ fsysid = f$getsyi( "cluster_fsysid" ) & $ nodes  = f$getsyi( "cluster_nodes" )& $ votes  = f$getsyi( "cluster_votes" )' $ quorum = f$getsyi( "cluster_quorum" ) ' $ FDAY  = F$CVTIME( FTIME,, "WEEKDAY" ) ! $ FDATE = F$ELEM( 0, " ", FTIME ) ! $ FTIME = F$ELEM( 1, " ", FTIME )  $ SAY ""H $ SAY F$FAO( " OpenVMS Cluster founded on !AS, !AS at !AS", FDAY, FDATE, FTIME ) C $ SAY F$FAO( " by System Id !AS; Membership: !UL, Total Votes: !UL,  Quorum: !UL" , - 6         F$EXTR( 4, 8, FSYSID ), nodes, votes, quorum ) $ SAY "" $ CONTEXT = "" $START:  $ id = F$CSID (CONTEXT)  $ IF id .EQS. "" THEN EXIT& $ nodename = F$GETSYI ("NODENAME",,id)% $ hdwe_name = F$GETSYI("HW_NAME",,id)  $ gosub mk_arch_name) $ soft_type = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWTYPE",,id) ) $ soft_vers = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWVERS",,id) + $ syst_idnt = F$GETSYI("NODE_SYSTEMID",,id)  $ gosub op_node_info $ GOTO START
 $NOT_CLUSTER: " $ nodename = F$GETSYI ("NODENAME")! $ hdwe_name = F$GETSYI("HW_NAME")  $ gosub mk_arch_name% $ soft_type = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWTYPE") % $ soft_vers = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWVERS")  $ syst_idnt :=   $ SAY ""# $ SAY " Not a member of a cluster."  $ SAY "" $ gosub op_node_info $ EXIT $! $mk_arch_name:, $ arch_name = f$elem( 0, " ", hdwe_name ) - ?         - "Server" - "server" - "Station" - "station" - "Micro"  $ return $! $op_node_info:2 $ say f$fao( "!8AS !AS !AS - !AS !AS !AS (!AS)", -7         nodename, F$EXTR( 4, 8, syst_idnt ), "''id'", - 4         soft_type, arch_name, soft_vers, hdwe_name ) $ return     --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:55:11 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>/ Subject: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS? 0 Message-ID: <01C2D1E6.0EADCE30@sulfer.icius.com>  @ Having wrestled with it for a chunk of the day, I've just had toG conclude that my DE205 network card is either dead or not recognised by G my Alpha Server 1000A. It's an EISA, and I now hate EISA with a passion F you can only dream of. The ECU keeps telling me it's installed the ^#$F thing, then it's missing when the console goes looking for it at boot.0 I'm walking away before I put a boot through it.  G Can anyone recommend an over-the-counter PCI network card I have a good D chance of finding in Fry's tonight that will work under VMS 7.3-1 in; this box? A D-Link maybe, a Linksys or something like that?    Shane   >  #####   -----------------------------------------------------? #-O-O-# | Arthur: "It's times like this I wish I'd listened   | ? #  L  # | to what my Mother used to say." Ford: Why, what did | ?  #===#  | she say?" Arthur: "I don't know, I didn't listen."  | >   ###    -----------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:45:02 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)Y Subject: Re: convert the decimal value of TERM_CHAR to a decimal ASCII text string in C w ; Message-ID: <3e49369e.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   $ psycose (dsauvage@altern.org) wrote:A > well i'm using smg$read_keystroke, so i got the term_char code, C > now i want to convert it into an ascii character,i have read it's  > like that in fortran ... >  > C+  B > C Use OTS$CVT_L_TI to convert the decimal value of TERM_CHAR to ! > C a decimal ASCII text string.   > C-  4 >         STATUS = OTS$CVT_L_TI ( TERM_CHAR, TEXT )  > * > but how can i do this in C programming ?  D The C prototype for this function (as derived from the online help):   #include <descrip.h> unsigned int ots$cvt_l_ti( 	void * varying_input_value,9 	struct dsc$descriptor_s * fixed_length_resultant_string, 8 	int number_of_digits,    /* defaults to 1 if omitted */8 	int input_value_size,    /* defaults to 4 if omitted */8 	unsigned int flags_value /* defaults to 0 if omitted */ );  ( <ots$routines.h>, however, defines it as   unsigned int ots$cvt_l_ti(*         unsigned int *varying_input_value,,         void *fixed_length_resultant_string,         __optional_params 
         );  
 Oh well...  F See $ HELP RTL_ROUTINES OTS$ OTS$CVT_L_TI for details. The OpenVMS FAQ% has a good section about descriptors.    Hope it helps,   Martin --  D                        |  Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1   OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.de E   KNOW where you want  |     http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 8   to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:22:59 -0500 * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages5 Message-ID: <110220031422596941%paul.anderson@hp.com>   E In article <00A1B526.2F76F77D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, < @SendSpamHere.ORG>  wrote:  D > The HP Designjet Copier cc800ps offers the convenience of in-houseF > color copying, scanning, and printing, in a single, integrated space > saving design. > : G > All standard CAD and GIS languages (including Adobe PostScript 3) and F > network interface included for easy integration into workgroups with > complex connectivity needs >  > How old is this printer?  E It was announced in March 2002.  Did you buy one of these (list price $ $19,995) to replace your LNC02?  ;-)  E Yes, it's interesting that this product has Adobe PostScript when all G other HP PostScript printers I know of have HP's PostScript emulation.  ( But then, it's not your average printer.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 15:30:01 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages3 Message-ID: <aFw6CbZDgzMP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A1B564.9684769E@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: d > In article <110220031422596941%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: >>{...snip...}G >>It was announced in March 2002.  Did you buy one of these (list price & >>$19,995) to replace your LNC02?  ;-) >  > No.  Not to replace it.  >  > G >>Yes, it's interesting that this product has Adobe PostScript when all I >>other HP PostScript printers I know of have HP's PostScript emulation.  * >>But then, it's not your average printer. > P > Emulation or not, did HP stop supplying printers which can process PostScript?  C No, they made a general move (when they started using 4 digit model B numbers) to use a Postscript engine other than Adobe's, presumably due to pricing issues.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:03:13 -0500 * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages5 Message-ID: <110220031803139859%paul.anderson@hp.com>   E In article <00A1B574.144FAAA5@SendSpamHere.ORG>, < @SendSpamHere.ORG>  wrote:  K > In article <aFw6CbZDgzMP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  > (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   G > > No, they made a general move (when they started using 4 digit model F > > numbers) to use a Postscript engine other than Adobe's, presumably > > due to pricing issues. > D > Thanks Larry, that was my point.  If HP is still making postscriptD > printers, why are they adamantly opposed to providing something to > print on them.  F To my knowledge, Digital/Compaq/HP has not usually released PostScriptF versions of documentation.  The quarterly Online Documentation LibraryF contained all Bookreader files until a few years ago when HTML started to be used.   E I don't speak for the OpenVMS documentation group, but there has been B much discussion over the years about in what formats to distributeD documentation.  It is probably felt that HTML is the most accessibleG formats, especially for online viewing.  (Personally, I prefer PDF over  HTML.)  C I also don't think they want to double or triple the size of the CD ) distribution to provide multiple formats.   @ I agree that PostScript would be useful for some customers.  TheF limitations of PDF on OpenVMS systems and the lack of a browser on allG but recent hardware make PDF and HTML difficult for some, especially if + there are no Windoze or Mac systems around.   A Brian, have you sent your suggestions to the documentation group?       openvmsdoc@hp.com      Hewlett-Packard Company'    OSSG Documentation Group, ZKO3-4/U08     110 Spit Brook Road    Nashua NH 03062-2698    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:05:30 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages' Message-ID: <3E499DDA.C7EDE945@aaa.com>    Paul Anderson wrote: > H > To my knowledge, Digital/Compaq/HP has not usually released PostScript > versions of documentation.  5 Wasn't it "normal" to have TXT and PS versions of the 7 release_notes and installation_guide in most (all?) kit > directories on the CD distribution. Never liked the PS myself,9 was a pain to get it into something readable. And the TXT 1 versions of tht files wasn't very readble either.    (I vote for PDF.)    Jan-Erik Sderholm   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:58:34 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGP Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages0 Message-ID: <00A1B598.D1102FED@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <110220031803139859%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:F >In article <00A1B574.144FAAA5@SendSpamHere.ORG>, < @SendSpamHere.ORG> >wrote:  > L >> In article <aFw6CbZDgzMP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net >> (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > H >> > No, they made a general move (when they started using 4 digit modelG >> > numbers) to use a Postscript engine other than Adobe's, presumably  >> > due to pricing issues.  >>  E >> Thanks Larry, that was my point.  If HP is still making postscript E >> printers, why are they adamantly opposed to providing something to  >> print on them.  > G >To my knowledge, Digital/Compaq/HP has not usually released PostScript G >versions of documentation.  The quarterly Online Documentation Library G >contained all Bookreader files until a few years ago when HTML started  >to be used.  E When Alpha was first introduced, there was plenty of PS documentation E for download.  Draft documents, specs, and sundry other item.  I have ) most of it archived somewhere on a drive.     A >I agree that PostScript would be useful for some customers.  The G >limitations of PDF on OpenVMS systems and the lack of a browser on all H >but recent hardware make PDF and HTML difficult for some, especially if, >there are no Windoze or Mac systems around.   BINGO!    B >Brian, have you sent your suggestions to the documentation group?  H Yes, back when the decision to drop Bookreader was made.  No concessionsJ were made then, so why should I believe the outcome would be any different now?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" b   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Feb 2003 20:40 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)aP Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages- Message-ID: <11FEB200320402989@gerg.tamu.edu>   W In article <00A1B574.144FAAA5@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes... d }In article <aFw6CbZDgzMP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:W }>In article <00A1B564.9684769E@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: f }>> In article <110220031422596941%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: }>>>{...snip...}I }>>>It was announced in March 2002.  Did you buy one of these (list price ( }>>>$19,995) to replace your LNC02?  ;-) }>>  }>> No.  Not to replace it.e }>>  }>> I }>>>Yes, it's interesting that this product has Adobe PostScript when allnK }>>>other HP PostScript printers I know of have HP's PostScript emulation.  , }>>>But then, it's not your average printer. }>> R }>> Emulation or not, did HP stop supplying printers which can process PostScript? }>E }>No, they made a general move (when they started using 4 digit modelhD }>numbers) to use a Postscript engine other than Adobe's, presumably }>due to pricing issues. } Q }Thanks Larry, that was my point.  If HP is still making postscript printers, whytD }are they adamantly opposed to providing something to print on them. }  }--eP }VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  G PDF is PostScript, mostly. It's just in a wrapper that holds additionalu: information and allows for some addition stuff to be done.   Not that that helps much.    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Feb 2003 20:34 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)DP Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages- Message-ID: <11FEB200320341579@gerg.tamu.edu>   $ VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes...c }In article <110220031422596941%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:S }>{...snip...}G }>It was announced in March 2002.  Did you buy one of these (list price.& }>$19,995) to replace your LNC02?  ;-) }  }No.  Not to replace it.  ? A more accurate replacemwnet would probably be something in thesC LaserJet 2500 line, except that it would end up faster and probablynG higher resoluition and a lot less expensive. But you might have troubleeC using it from VMS - I don't know if they cooperate with DCPS or notk5 (odds are that it is "not", until DCPS adds support).r  G }>Yes, it's interesting that this product has Adobe PostScript when all I }>other HP PostScript printers I know of have HP's PostScript emulation. e* }>But then, it's not your average printer. } O }Emulation or not, did HP stop supplying printers which can process PostScript?s   Of course not.  G Even the new low end color laser printer, the 2500 series (which starts I at a smidge under $1000, which is not at all bad for a 600dpi color laser K printer), comes with emulated PostScript included with all of its versions. L So does the spiffy 4600 series (which prints color at the same 17 PPM ratingE as it prints monochrome - aparently it has 4 drums, one for each CMYKs$ allowing full speed color printing).  J A few of their desktop inkjet printers can speak PS, but I don't think anyL of them are very new - the 1220 (which is a few years old) and 1700 have theI option, possibly some others. None of the lower priced ones do - it looksn@ like you have to spend $400 or more (list) to get one that does.  I Pretty much all of the large format printers/plotters do, either from the G printer itself or from a software RIP that comes with it (at least somevH of these are 3rd party - the DesignJet 50ps has a software RIP "based on Heidelberg technology").  J As anoying as HP's printer focus is to the VMS users, they do nevertheless  produce some very nice printers.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 23:00:14 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages3 Message-ID: <v7TK3I$ud5pF@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  W In article <11FEB200320402989@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:e  I > PDF is PostScript, mostly. It's just in a wrapper that holds additionalt< > information and allows for some addition stuff to be done. >  > Not that that helps much.h  D Sure it does -- it means Paul Anderson could write a PDF symbiont to" print PDF files from VMS systems !   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:17:57 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGP Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages0 Message-ID: <00A1B526.2F76F77D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  P In article <b298hi$ne7$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:
 >{...snip...}  >tH >  As has been remarked upon before, the golden age of web compatabilityH >  has passed.  This is unfortunate, of course.  I and others here wouldJ >  hope to maintain compliance with applicable W3C standards -- that said,E >  there is another high-profile project keeping us OpenVMS engineersd >  rather busy right now.m  / Then, Mozilla/CSWB is just pissing in the wind?D    K >  AFAIK, HP provides various printers with emulations of Adobe Postscript, K >  but does not offer new printers with Adobe Postscript support.  I do nottJ >  know if these printers are based on Ghostscript, or another technology.    ;   The HP Designjet Copier cc800ps offers the convenience of >   in-house color copying, scanning, and printing, in a single,<   integrated space saving design. For less than the price of@   monochrome alternatives, businesses can add large-format color*   reproduction when and where you need it.    :    :C   All standard CAD and GIS languages (including Adobe PostScript 3)ME   and network interface included for easy integration into workgroupss!   with complex connectivity needsD     How old is this printer? --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:20:53 GMTr" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGP Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages0 Message-ID: <00A1B526.983FE563@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <HHsnvabFCqNd@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:mQ >In article <b298hi$ne7$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:t >eK >>   So your central concern is around the integration and shipment and theeK >>   support of the XPDF or other PDF reader in/into OpenVMS?  (Versions ofhK >>   XPDF already ship with every OpenVMS release, as part of the Freeware, F >>   so this is clearly not one of simple availability of the reader.) >-F >On the off-chance that Brian's keyboard has exploded and he is unable5 >to reply, let me claim that his concerns match mine:n  D Let me assure Larry that my keyboard has, in fact, not exploded.  MyA patience with this issue is, however, approaching critical mass. a   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" u   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:44:39 GMTA" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGP Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages0 Message-ID: <00A1B564.9684769E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <110220031422596941%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:
 >{...snip...}wF >It was announced in March 2002.  Did you buy one of these (list price% >$19,995) to replace your LNC02?  ;-)r   No.  Not to replace it..    F >Yes, it's interesting that this product has Adobe PostScript when allH >other HP PostScript printers I know of have HP's PostScript emulation. ) >But then, it's not your average printer.e  N Emulation or not, did HP stop supplying printers which can process PostScript?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             75   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 17:05:50 -0800% From: sl1433@hotmail.com (Beeblebrox)s# Subject: Re: E*trade replacing VMS? = Message-ID: <c976cb73.0302111705.17e0c29d@posting.google.com>w  p "Jo Jo Potato" <vmsforme@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<u8a0a.422$Gs7.37060642@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>...C > "Carl Karcher" <karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu> wrote in messageB1 > news:4FEB03.18524666@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu...  > >aA > > I hope this doesn't mean E*Trade is trading in VMS for linux.D > = > Boy, you guys love to speculate based on the smallest clue,c> > but in this case you are (mostly) right.  There is a project > underway to "get off VMS".  C LOL!!!  I worked at E*Trade in '97-98, and there were plans to "getd off VMS" even back then.  6 That Sac-to-PA VMS cluster put Unix clusters to shame.    ! >  What the target system(s) willa> > likely be is Linux for the application(s) and Solaris/Sybase > for the databases.  < Sybase?  Didn't ET migrate from Sybase to Oracle (in the Web@ environment, anyways) in '99?  If so, why go back?  Don't get meF wrong, Sybase is a good DB, but the industry trend has moved away from Sybase, unfortunately.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 22:18:59 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)d Subject: Fun with FC-ALB- Message-ID: <TeNoe2lsSjhJ@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>n  '  I've been playing around with FC-AL one- VMS 7.3-1 and thought I'd post my experiencesr in case anyone's interested.  .  Of course FC-AL isn't supported on VMS (yet, 5 though rumour has it that it's coming ). Neverthelessh it mostly seems to work.  5  My configuration consists of a 2 processor DS20E/500 3 with 2 KGPSA-B Fibre channel adapters. Each adaptera2 goes into a separate 7 port FC hub. The disk array1 is a dual controller RA8000, with each controllerI0 having a connection to each FC hub. This gives 43 paths to each disk from VMS. The HSG80s are runningp
 ACS 8.6-12  1   The system disk is on the RA8000 as are all thee4 data disks ( I use a SCSI disk for paging ). Booting3 works fine from the FC disk. Similarly all the data 5 disks work with no problem. I notice that some of theb0 disks autoswitch to a different path right after5 they are mounted. I tried killing one of the hubs ando4 all the disks autoswitched to the paths on the other2 hub. I'm able to move disks between paths with the0 set device/switch/path command. I notice that if/ you do this to the system disk you get an errorn/ when you next shutdown about not being able to N2 dump the errlog buffers - I presume some low-level2 driver is remembering the boot path and can't deal/ with the disk no longer being available on thatm path.p  5    Throughput seems pretty decent. The only test I'vew6 done is to fire up concurrent backup/physical's of all4 the data disks to NL:. Doing this operation with all5 the disks pathed through a single controller peaks ate6 about 50MB/sec of throughput. By moving half the disks2 over to the other controller I got this up to over	 80MB/sec.a  5    The one area that seems suspect is when I made one : of the disks on the RA8000 a quorum disk. After doing this9 I noticed that I get "connect lost to quorum disk" errors 7 fairly early in the boot sequence ( which resolve afterf< a few seconds ). I also noticed the connection spontaneously9 being lost to the quorum disk for a few seconds after the 0 system was up ( this may have been related to me. switching the quorum disk to another path with SET DEVICE/SWITCH ).  9    The next step is to add another node into the cluster,o4 I'm waiting to receive some more KGPSAs before I can7 attempt this test. Btw, is there any difference betweenn0 the KGPSA-B and the Emulex LP 7000/E? What's the4 difference between a KGPSA-BC and a -BY ( Compaq P/N 401918-001 )  7    I'm still awaiting an announcement of formal support 2 for FC-AL - and hoping it's not restricted to just the MA1000.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:48:11 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>K; Subject: Re: Heat output for DEC / Compaq / HP equipment???i? Message-ID: <599217c34b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>w  2 In message <oUaScVmvHdrI@eisner.encompasserve.org>6           young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:  ] > In article <b1ucg0$16iqdu$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:/ > > N > > "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD> schreef in bericht1 > > news:Or0vo3cSBshP@eisner.encompasserve.org...oO > >> Our data center is gradually getting warmer? Global warming from the ozone1O > >> layer has been ruled out :-) We're likely maxing out our air conditioning.: > >>O > >> I've been ordered to come up with a list of heat load for all of our DEC /0O > >> Compaq / HP equipment in our data center. I used to know where to get thatsL > >> info: the "Systems and Options Catalog". That covers my old stuff, like > >> 2100, 4100, and 8400.  F Not the answer, but some caveats to apply when looking for the answer.  J There are two (useful) ratings for a piece of equipment - fuse rating, andK running current. When equipment is switched on, there is an inrush current, K which does things like charge up power supply capacitors, and start motors. L The fusing rating wil allow for this. The running current may be a factor ofK ten or more less than this. Most equipment has the fusing rating printed onnK the back. The running load is harder to find. For air conditioning you needB: the running current. For a UPS you need the fusing rating.  L Anecdote: We had a Compaq rack with two DS20E's in it. Our new owner decidedJ to uprate it, sent it off, and it came back with dual processors, 1GB ram,I and a Storageworks array (whose designation I forget) full of 18GB disks,n approx 0.8TB in total.  H We plugged it in to the 16amp 240volt socket (this is in the UK) and the' circuit tripped - at the 30amp breaker.o  L We plugged the equipment into a PAT (portable appliance) tester, which blew,+ along with the circuit it was running from.t  F Compaq were unable to tell us the inrush for the equipment. The fusingH figures were not particularly helpful as the shelf figures depend on theD disks used. Eventually we provided a dedicated circuit, with a mainsI recorder, and got it running. The inrush was 160amps. This is because allhH the disk drives started up at once, and there were about 40 of them. TheI equipment will run continuously on a 32 Amp circuit, provided the circuitDK will handle the inrush. The operating procedure after a power cut is now tosK turn off all the internal breakers, power up the room, then turn on subsets G of the equipment in stages, in particular switching on the disk shelvesc> separately. This means that no automatic recovery is possible.  D (Note that this was done by the new owner while I was working out my: voluntary redundancy period. It caused me some amusement.)  F Those of us who remember RA81/82 will no doubt also remember the powerL sequencing cables, which caused the disks to spin uo one at a time so as notL to shut down the site. It seems to me this technology needs to be reinvented for raid arrays.   Alan                          -- k
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:56:16 +0300o2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>; Subject: Re: Heat output for DEC / Compaq / HP equipment???.+ Message-ID: <3E492B30.6B023287@digital.com>f   Alan Adams wrote:n > 4 > In message <oUaScVmvHdrI@eisner.encompasserve.org>8 >           young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote: > _ > > In article <b1ucg0$16iqdu$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  > > >yP > > > "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD> schreef in bericht3 > > > news:Or0vo3cSBshP@eisner.encompasserve.org... Q > > >> Our data center is gradually getting warmer? Global warming from the ozone Q > > >> layer has been ruled out :-) We're likely maxing out our air conditioning.M > > >>Q > > >> I've been ordered to come up with a list of heat load for all of our DEC /DQ > > >> Compaq / HP equipment in our data center. I used to know where to get that1N > > >> info: the "Systems and Options Catalog". That covers my old stuff, like > > >> 2100, 4100, and 8400. > H > Not the answer, but some caveats to apply when looking for the answer. > L > There are two (useful) ratings for a piece of equipment - fuse rating, andM > running current. When equipment is switched on, there is an inrush current,<M > which does things like charge up power supply capacitors, and start motors. N > The fusing rating wil allow for this. The running current may be a factor ofM > ten or more less than this. Most equipment has the fusing rating printed onlM > the back. The running load is harder to find. For air conditioning you needs< > the running current. For a UPS you need the fusing rating. > N > Anecdote: We had a Compaq rack with two DS20E's in it. Our new owner decidedL > to uprate it, sent it off, and it came back with dual processors, 1GB ram,K > and a Storageworks array (whose designation I forget) full of 18GB disks,E > approx 0.8TB in total. > J > We plugged it in to the 16amp 240volt socket (this is in the UK) and the) > circuit tripped - at the 30amp breaker.a > N > We plugged the equipment into a PAT (portable appliance) tester, which blew,- > along with the circuit it was running from.e > H > Compaq were unable to tell us the inrush for the equipment. The fusingJ > figures were not particularly helpful as the shelf figures depend on theF > disks used. Eventually we provided a dedicated circuit, with a mainsK > recorder, and got it running. The inrush was 160amps. This is because alluJ > the disk drives started up at once, and there were about 40 of them. TheK > equipment will run continuously on a 32 Amp circuit, provided the circuiteM > will handle the inrush. The operating procedure after a power cut is now tolM > turn off all the internal breakers, power up the room, then turn on subsetscI > of the equipment in stages, in particular switching on the disk shelves=@ > separately. This means that no automatic recovery is possible. > F > (Note that this was done by the new owner while I was working out my< > voluntary redundancy period. It caused me some amusement.) > H > Those of us who remember RA81/82 will no doubt also remember the powerN > sequencing cables, which caused the disks to spin uo one at a time so as notN > to shut down the site. It seems to me this technology needs to be reinvented > for raid arrays. >  > Alan >  > -- > Alan Adams( > alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.nckc.org.uk/o  < From what I dredge up from memory there are several types of circuit-breakers. H One ("type L" IIRC) for lighting/heating appliances current, where there is no  significant startup rush. H Another ("type G" ?) withstands much higher initial startup current, but is o= more sensitive to overloads lasting more than a few seconds. mD note: The terms L and G are IIRC from the VDE standard, used by many European/ manufacturers. UK/U.S.A. terms probably differ.dG Computer rooms have mainly inductive-type loads, so G type breakers ared inH general preferable. (Had to change a couple of hundred way back whan...)   Mike   -- sE ---------------------------------------------------------------------rE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.i? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*-F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------D -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----n Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:43:29 -0700t. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: Help with CDsF Message-ID: <OF6D4615FF.96AC644E-ON07256CCA.006C3916@rsc.raytheon.com>  E Many thanks to all of you that have responded.  My problem is solved!r   What a great group!    dave.i   David Miller wrote ...   Folks:  / This is an unusual request, please hear me out.-  J Steve Hoffman and Digital Press have asked me to finish up the 2nd editionI of Baldwin's _OpenVMS System Management Guide_. As most of you know Steve3I is deeply into OpenVMS/IA64 and he didn't have enough hours in the day tot0 finish his update. He made a great start though!  C Naturally I'd like to show examples using OpenVMS 7.3-1. However myMD AlphaStation 200 4/233 is currently running 7.1 and it will take twoK updates to get to 7.3-1. I was planning to get a 7.3 hobby CD for the firstlI step and then purchase 7.3-1 from HP. But, as you know, the hobby disk isy! sold out so that plan is no good.g  F I really hate to buy two CD sets from HP - each one is $400 and that'sK really expensive on my budget. I was hoping some kind soul would lend me anMD old CD set (any CD set post 7.1) so I could make the transition more inexpensively.  K Baldwin/Hoffman/Miller will be my 4th book for Digital Press in the past 12iJ years.  For those that don't know, authors don't get rich on book sales --J I'll probably get less than a dollar for each Baldwin/Hoffman/Miller sold.C We write for less tangible goals. In this case, as a service to theEH community. My previous books were used as stepping stones in my teaching career.p  G If you can help, please contact me off-line at this address. You'll get % your name in the Acknowledgements! :)"  
 TIA, dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Feb 2003 20:26:16 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Help with CDs6 Message-ID: <b2bm98$1bb2c7$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  3 In article <hVb$lUmHoRBM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:y > In article <OFDBA79B99.A9E570B4-ON07256CCA.0050C0A9@rsc.raytheon.com>, "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:a > I >> I really hate to buy two CD sets from HP - each one is $400 and that's!N >> really expensive on my budget. I was hoping some kind soul would lend me anG >> old CD set (any CD set post 7.1) so I could make the transition more  >> inexpensively.D > @ > You would probably get a better response if you indicated your > geographic location.  G My first guess would hav ebeen Rhode Island.  I wonder how close I got?e   bill   -- 0J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   y   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:07:57 -07000. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: Re: Help with CDsF Message-ID: <OF158F8749.531A8C8A-ON07256CCA.00797A75@rsc.raytheon.com>   Bill:   ! Not close -- all beach, no water.o   dave.a        3 In article <hVb$lUmHoRBM@eisner.encompasserve.org>,m<              Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:H > In article <OFDBA79B99.A9E570B4-ON07256CCA.0050C0A9@rsc.raytheon.com>,0 "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes: > I >> I really hate to buy two CD sets from HP - each one is $400 and that's K >> really expensive on my budget. I was hoping some kind soul would lend meo anG >> old CD set (any CD set post 7.1) so I could make the transition moreh >> inexpensively.I >d@ > You would probably get a better response if you indicated your > geographic location.  G My first guess would hav ebeen Rhode Island.  I wonder how close I got?a   bill   --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2003 00:01:23 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Help with CDs6 Message-ID: <b2c2sj$1b6a0g$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  F In article <OF158F8749.531A8C8A-ON07256CCA.00797A75@rsc.raytheon.com>,1 	"David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:X >  > Bill:u > # > Not close -- all beach, no water.  >    Oh, the other raytheon.   :-)   6 I was thinking of the one that had water but no beach.   bill   -- cJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 09:49:13 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Help with CDs3 Message-ID: <hVb$lUmHoRBM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <OFDBA79B99.A9E570B4-ON07256CCA.0050C0A9@rsc.raytheon.com>, "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> writes:F  H > I really hate to buy two CD sets from HP - each one is $400 and that'sM > really expensive on my budget. I was hoping some kind soul would lend me anMF > old CD set (any CD set post 7.1) so I could make the transition more > inexpensively.  > You would probably get a better response if you indicated your geographic location.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 13:05:02 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)u) Subject: RE: Hobbyist PAKs from Montagar?i3 Message-ID: <vab$c0ui426V@eisner.encompasserve.org>2  o In article <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BC5@rlghncst964.usps.gov>, VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> writes:t >  > Forgive the top-posting.   Never.  C Actually, your new text was self-sufficient, and it might have beenn? better to just omit the quoted material.  (This is not normallyt
 the case.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 04:41:18 -0400n0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages/ Message-ID: <3E48B71C.EA83095E@vl.videotron.ca>u  3 The Air Canada web site is far worse that HP's.... r  K Got a web saver email on Tuesday morning (suppose dto be on wednesday) so IeK looked at it. For about a year, they have stopped sending real emails, they.S send HTML junk which contains just pointers to the actual web savers for each city.M  L They used to sedn one text email containing the actual text of the specials.   eg:1 From Montreal: 	Chicoutimi $400
 	Toronto	$300. 	Vancouver $900l  
 From Toronto:: 	Montreal: $300s 	Vancouver: $200  R It was nice because you could see the varous specials from any city at one glance.  J I stopped watching those messages when they switched to HTML. But today, I decided to check out.c  & One of the links for montreal only is:  * http://www.aircanada.ca/websaver/YULe.html    N Use fetch_http to display the code. I think that there are 3 or 4 specials forN this week. Check out how massive the javascript is for just displaying 4 lines of specials !!!!!!!! Amazing.n  I I absolutely cannot understand how such abuse of javascript and bandwidthnI would be tolerated by a corporation. Jesus Murphy, next thing, they'll be M downloading the source code for their full reservation system with every HTTPc request :-)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:57:17 -0700o+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>e4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages' Message-ID: <3E499BED.5020101@MMaz.com>u   JF Mezei wrote:3  ' >One of the links for montreal only is:s >h+ >http://www.aircanada.ca/websaver/YULe.htmlR >H >iO >Use fetch_http to display the code. I think that there are 3 or 4 specials for@O >this week. Check out how massive the javascript is for just displaying 4 lines  >of specials !!!!!!!! Amazing. >zJ >I absolutely cannot understand how such abuse of javascript and bandwidthJ >would be tolerated by a corporation. Jesus Murphy, next thing, they'll beN >downloading the source code for their full reservation system with every HTTP >request :-) >  i >eI Well, unless you have not purchased any air-line tickets on-line, or for t7 that matter, rented a car on-line, this is not unusual.   ? Most sites are generating content that is dynamic based on the PE parameters selected and that is why JS (Javascript) is often used as uH there is nothing more frustrating that page refreshes just to alter the G options based on a prior choice selection.  If you stopped long enough  H to notice, you would have seen that is the here; The destination alters  the available dates. r  D Fact is, if you want to book practically anything on-line, you need D cookies and JS, so whether you want to pound at HP over this matter E further is up to you, but it is absurd for 'you folks in general' to oF insist on site/browser compatibility because the VMS browser have not  stayed current with technology!   H This whole VMS browser argument is like expecting the music industry to D crank out vinyl records for those who refuse to use CD or DVD, just < because their record player works fine with their music and F that of some of their friends...   You 'VMS Only Browser folks' imply < that you're technological purest, but you're just not being @ intellectually honest!  Ignoring Microcrap, webmasters that are I deploying sites are not going to care of the less than 1% of noise level MH visitors that just may be visiting from a platform running VMS, that is  just the simple fact!   G Heck, I challenge you to show one single major e-commerce site that is cD running VMS on the front end, you won't find it and even if you do, H provide the URL because I bet you will also find that it too dishes out I JS because JS has nothing to do with the architecture of the HTTP server   but rather the visiting client!t  H Now get over it, move on and if you must, go get something that doesn't C run Windows but that can still run a current main-stream browser...    Barryi     --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028I   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:50:54 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages/ Message-ID: <3E49C492.A2684710@vl.videotron.ca>s   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:@ > Most sites are generating content that is dynamic based on theF > parameters selected and that is why JS (Javascript) is often used asI > there is nothing more frustrating that page refreshes just to alter theI- > options based on a prior choice selection. g    N But this particular page only exists to show what specials for the next weekedL there are from a specific city. There are only a handful of cities for which there are specials.a  M They send gigabytes of javascript just to list a few specials valid for a few M days. They used to send the whole national specials as part of one text emailm that was about 2 k long.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 23:04:32 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r4 Subject: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages3 Message-ID: <NvTyruM0LUTo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3E499BED.5020101@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:e  F > Fact is, if you want to book practically anything on-line, you need F > cookies and JS, so whether you want to pound at HP over this matter G > further is up to you, but it is absurd for 'you folks in general' to  H > insist on site/browser compatibility because the VMS browser have not ! > stayed current with technology!   D For those of us who disable Cookies, Java and JavaScript for reasonsC of security, the objection to requiring them has nothing to do with  what browser is used.?  I > Heck, I challenge you to show one single major e-commerce site that is  F > running VMS on the front end, you won't find it and even if you do, J > provide the URL because I bet you will also find that it too dishes out K > JS because JS has nothing to do with the architecture of the HTTP server  ! > but rather the visiting client!-  B I buy HP products from Businesslink without using cookies, Java orA JavaScript.  That may not be "major" for you, but it is the stuffn that I need.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 12:18:14 -0800/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)X Subject: Re: HSZ50 Battery Qs.= Message-ID: <754a27c1.0302111218.2fa7c993@posting.google.com>l  X Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3E490818.F3421B2@127.0.0.1>... > Chris Scheers wrote: > > A > > I just received a HSZ50 to play with and have some questions.  > > G > > The HSZ50 controller board includes a coin battery.  There was someu@ > > discussion earlier that removing this battery is a Bad Idea. > > E > > However, this setup is about 5 years old, and that is putting the G > > battery at a questionable age.  Can the battery be replaced safely?e? > > Is there any warning when the battery needs to be replaced?S > >  > H > I agree with your thinking that swapping a lithium after about 5 yearsE > is a good idea, on many (all?) they are soldered in, and some are 5 J > year, some are 10 year life. You will lose the configuration data of theH > drives (that is what they back up), but in twin controller situations,I > you've got it written to the other controller, right? Also you can save J > the config to the drives, but beware the overhead on controller start up > as it reads all the drives.     1 The batteries (CR2032) on my HSZ50s are socketed.0  C I'm not particularly worried about the configuration.  I can alwaysi recreate it.  C My main concern is a previous discussion that implied that removing D the battery could result in the loss of the serial number, rendering the HSZ50 a paper weight:F  p http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3df3c689%240%242229%24e4fe514c%40dreader6.news.xs4all.nl  D Instead of finding out the hard way, I would like to know whether or# not I should be worried about this.e   Thanx!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:26:32 +0000r( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: HSZ50 Battery QsD( Message-ID: <3E490818.F3421B2@127.0.0.1>   Chris Scheers wrote: > ? > I just received a HSZ50 to play with and have some questions.n > E > The HSZ50 controller board includes a coin battery.  There was somew> > discussion earlier that removing this battery is a Bad Idea. > C > However, this setup is about 5 years old, and that is putting thenE > battery at a questionable age.  Can the battery be replaced safely?i= > Is there any warning when the battery needs to be replaced?d > E > Also, is it normal that the clock is lost when the HSZ50 is poweredf > off?  H It is normal for the controller to lose date/time. If the *cache* backup= battery fails, you'll get extended sense errors logged to thecH controller. I don't believe errors are logged if the coin battery fails.  F I agree with your thinking that swapping a lithium after about 5 yearsC is a good idea, on many (all?) they are soldered in, and some are 5 H year, some are 10 year life. You will lose the configuration data of theF drives (that is what they back up), but in twin controller situations,G you've got it written to the other controller, right? Also you can saveoH the config to the drives, but beware the overhead on controller start up as it reads all the drives.r   hth. -- t? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencess nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:49:10 -0500 3 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com>e Subject: Re: HSZ50 Battery Qs ; Message-ID: <EI92a.40018$dW2.14762@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>h  L I wouldn't touch the on-board batteries.  Pull them, and you lose the serialK number.  You are in VERY bad shape if you lose that.  Put your HSZ on a UPSiK and forget about it!  Take out a maintenance contract with HP Services.  IfpG they lose the serial number, then that's their problem (and they have a0 secret way to get it back).l    5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message " news:3E490818.F3421B2@127.0.0.1... > Chris Scheers wrote: > >-A > > I just received a HSZ50 to play with and have some questions.0 > >2G > > The HSZ50 controller board includes a coin battery.  There was somes@ > > discussion earlier that removing this battery is a Bad Idea. > >nE > > However, this setup is about 5 years old, and that is putting thetG > > battery at a questionable age.  Can the battery be replaced safely?a? > > Is there any warning when the battery needs to be replaced?- > >-G > > Also, is it normal that the clock is lost when the HSZ50 is powered@ > > off? >OJ > It is normal for the controller to lose date/time. If the *cache* backup? > battery fails, you'll get extended sense errors logged to theaJ > controller. I don't believe errors are logged if the coin battery fails. >{H > I agree with your thinking that swapping a lithium after about 5 yearsE > is a good idea, on many (all?) they are soldered in, and some are 5dJ > year, some are 10 year life. You will lose the configuration data of theH > drives (that is what they back up), but in twin controller situations,I > you've got it written to the other controller, right? Also you can savepJ > the config to the drives, but beware the overhead on controller start up > as it reads all the drives.b >d > hth. > --A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest > nclews at csc dot comn   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 13:12:51 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c- Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...d3 Message-ID: <pTeQcNbSTp4x@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  S In article <v4hpb1pnhhe668@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes:h" >>IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ... >  > Has IBM ever been wrong?  0   Not since they stopped shipping "VAX killers".   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:58:25 -0000v! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>n- Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...b/ Message-ID: <v4hpb1pnhhe668@corp.supernews.com>   ! >IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...a   Has IBM ever been wrong?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:08:12 -0600m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r- Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...V' Message-ID: <3E49AC8B.C01F20EF@fsi.net>5   Z wrote: > # > >IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...e >  > Has IBM ever been wrong?  > Depends on your opinion of that "personal computer" thingie...   -- p David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:04:24 -0800X$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>- Subject: RE: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...i0 Message-ID: <01C2D1F8.203B5890@sulfer.icius.com>   -----Original Message-----6 From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net] >e	 >Z wrote:  >>  $ >> >IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ... >> s >> Has IBM ever been wrong?s >n? >Depends on your opinion of that "personal computer" thingie...p  F Come on, that quote about the world only needing five computers is oneH of the most famous in the industry. How wrong can you be? Also buying anH OS from Gates that he didn't own at the time. Or how about the PS2? OS2?H Anybody who's been in business for a while has been wrong sometimes. IBMF just seem to be able to learn from their mistakes, unlike the chain of owners VMS has had.    Shane.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 09:23:35 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young).- Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ... 3 Message-ID: <xMepQ9zCQAdg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <Jr2cnYNujow5CdWjXTWcqg@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:6JvyhcO78m$H@eisner.encompasserve.org...n >  > ...e > B >> You can talk low-end, high-end, whatever.  Here are some facts: >>, >> http://news.com.com/2100-1001-984010.html >>I >> The total market for Intel-based servers in the U.S. during the fourthO	 > quarter M >> was $1.8 billion, up 17.4 percent from a year earlier and 3.5 percent from- > the-M >> third quarter. Gartner has also predicted that revenue from less-expensivexJ >> Intel servers will surpass revenue from high-end Unix-based servers for > the@ >> first time in 2003. >>H >> Intel-based servers accounted for 90 percent of unit shipments in the > fourthK >> quarter and 40.3 percent of revenue. A year earlier, Intel-based serversw > madeI >> up 87.5 percent of units shipped and produced 36.1 percent of revenue.o >> >> --- >>C >> Counting noses, Intel boxes make 90 percent of shipping servers.t >>( >> As other's share fades and fades. . . >>A >> The fact of the matter is it is quickly becoming a total Intelt >> world regardless of OS. > N > Quickly, you say?  Even assuming that the revenue growth rate you note aboveI > continued, it looks as if it would take another 16 years or so for yourh< > 'total Intel world' to become reality in the server space.  > 	Total in the sense all others are irrelevant or corner cases.  @ 	Maybe when Intel is 95% of shipping servers and 80% of revenue?= 	Pick a crossover point where you feel comfortable making theaB 	statement:  "Intel is the de facto server and others are charming 	but mostly irrelevant."   		[snip discussion about Alpha]0   				Rob-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:53:38 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>.6 Subject: Itanic News (HP Emp.'s should skip this post)% Message-ID: <3E49A922.43BCC0@fsi.net>   G HP employees should skip this post. HP doesn't want you to read it (I'mt# guessing, but it seems a fair bet).m    From today's InfoWorld e-mail...    & IBM COOLS ON LINUX SUPPORT FOR ITANIUM  + Posted February 10, 2003 06:00 Pacific Timec  : IBM has pulled back on its work tuning the Linux operating= system for Intel's Itanium processor, in a move that possiblyn; points to a larger shift away from the fledgling processor,a according to an analyst.  = IBM has transferred a handful of developers who had worked toh; make Linux perform well on Itanium to the task of tying thep; OS to its own Power processor, said Ron Favali, a spokesmant; for IBM. This transition away from Itanium came as a resulth: of slow market adoption of the chip thus far, according to7 Favali, and could signal a growing feud between IBM and  Intel.   For the full story: : http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/02/10/HNitanium_1.html   -- e David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:55:34 +0100b% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>hF Subject: Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available* Message-ID: <3e4956a5@news.swissonline.ch>  5 "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM> wrote in messagea$ news:b2955i$nbo$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > Dear OpenVMS Customer, >rL > HP is pleased to announce the availability of the Kerberos T2.0 field test > kit for hp OpenVMS Alpha,e >o  
 Hello Leo,  + thanks for this Info. May I ask a question: I How is this Kerberos product related to the Kerberos features, which come  with DCE for VMS?h   best regards   Jakob"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:15:06 -0600h1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> : Subject: Re: Letter from Mark Gorham on Security Solutions' Message-ID: <3E49AE2A.B8E2655E@fsi.net>u   Sue Skonetski wrote: > * > If you need a PDF file I also have that.  C Please reflect gratitude to Mark on behalf of at least this poster.r   -- n David J. Dachtera' dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:31:14 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>: Subject: Re: Letter from Mark Gorham on Security Solutions/ Message-ID: <3E49A3DF.640022EE@vl.videotron.ca>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > Sue Skonetski wrote:, > > If you need a PDF file I also have that. > E > Please reflect gratitude to Mark on behalf of at least this poster.   0 Are you asking Sue to kiss Mark on your behalf ?   :-)d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:00:50 -0600>1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r: Subject: Re: Letter from Mark Gorham on Security Solutions' Message-ID: <3E49B8E2.FF9F94CD@fsi.net>/   JF Mezei wrote:p >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > Sue Skonetski wrote:. > > > If you need a PDF file I also have that. > >gG > > Please reflect gratitude to Mark on behalf of at least this poster.o > 2 > Are you asking Sue to kiss Mark on your behalf ? >  > :-)   D We have a fairly strict harrassment policy where I work; so, I don't5 give the impression of impropriety, if I can help it.    ;-)u   -- i David J. DachteraI dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/0   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:29:12 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u: Subject: Re: Letter from Mark Gorham on Security SolutionsH Message-ID: <ccj2a.26207$Qf1.25468@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E49B8E2.FF9F94CD@fsi.net...  > JF Mezei wrote:  > >u > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > > Sue Skonetski wrote:0 > > > > If you need a PDF file I also have that. > > >aA > > > Please reflect gratitude to Mark on behalf of at least thise poster.u > > 4 > > Are you asking Sue to kiss Mark on your behalf ? > >  > > :-)C >aF > We have a fairly strict harrassment policy where I work; so, I don't7 > give the impression of impropriety, if I can help it.      It work related...it's ok.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:56:51 -0500u5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>U6 Subject: Letter from Mark Gorham on Security Solutions0 Message-ID: <Q_92a.874$081.805@news.cpqcorp.net>  ( If you need a PDF file I also have that.  
 Warm Regards,n Suer) _________________________________________n Dear Valued OpenVMS Customer:i  I Over the past two years we in OpenVMS engineering have developed a strong  partnership with  F PointSecure, Inc, a leading provider of security solutions for OpenVMS
 customers. Weu  J appreciate PointSecure's enthusiasm and support of OpenVMS and of you, our valued OpenVMS  
 customers.  I We believe that PointSecure provides extremely valuable solutions for ourD OpenVMS customers.  H We are so convinced that these solutions provide an environment that can maintain optimum   security at all times that:o  K  We offer PointSecure solutions directly and will soon make them availablel through oure   resellers as well.  E  PointSecure solutions also play a key role in our Security Servicesw offering for OpenVMS.   D The ease of use, extensive reporting capabilities, and non-intrusive features that PointSecure/  H solutions provide allow for quick and accurate security analysis for our customers. That is why  K HP OpenVMS Ambassadors and support specialists are now equipped with a copy  of  J PointSecure's PointAudit tool. This solution allows OpenVMS users to audit
 the entire  I OpenVMS host by analyzing and reporting on user profiles, system settings- and network settings.   I Ask your HP Services specialist for a free demonstration of how this toola can perform a quickH  L check of your environment, or visit our website at www.openvms.compaq.com to
 download a   free security snapshot.   L For those customers who need a more proactive way to secure an OpenVMS host, HP ServicesR  K Specialists can install, configure and train customers to use PointSecure's, host based Systemm  E Detective tool. This solution gives OpenVMS users a comprehensive ande flexible way to increase  I the level of security on their OpenVMS system. Some features of this toolt restrict user access tot  K sensitive images and files regardless of privilege settings and monitor the  keystrokes of events.   L PointSecure has participated in events such as InfoSec, HP IT Forums, and HP
 's Enterpriser  I Technical Symposium. PointSecure played a key role in helping to make theo OpenVMS system  ? virtually unhackable at the 2002 hacker's convention, DEFCON 9.r  I Now, more than ever, security has to be an integral part of any computing  environment. Togetherh  K with PointSecure, our OpenVMS customers receive the best of both worlds - a 
 sophisticatede  J secure operating system enhanced by solutions that simplify and tailor the security administrationo   of your environment.  
 Sincerely,   Mark Gorham   " Vice President OpenVMS Engineering   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 22:40:32 -0800, From: mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin) Subject: More Oracle weirdness= Message-ID: <e9cbc4f2.0302112240.33676930@posting.google.com>n  A After a supposed successful install of Oracle 9i on VMS 7.3, I am A seeing a strange message when I start up many of the executables,o! including sqlplus and orapwd.exe:i  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 $ sqlplus D %SYSTEM-I-EMULATED, an instruction not implemented on this processor0 was emulated at PC=00000000001D9C70, PS=0000001BD %SYSTEM-I-EMULATED, an instruction not implemented on this processor0 was emulated at PC=00000000001D9EE0, PS=0000001BD %SYSTEM-I-EMULATED, an instruction not implemented on this processor0 was emulated at PC=00000000001D9EE4, PS=0000001BD %SYSTEM-I-EMULATED, an instruction not implemented on this processor0 was emulated at PC=00000000001D9F28, PS=0000001BD %SYSTEM-I-EMULATED, an instruction not implemented on this processor0 was emulated at PC=00000000001D9F2C, PS=0000001B  D SQL*Plus: Release 9.2.0.2.0 - Production on Tue Feb 11 23:24:08 2003  C Copyright (c) 1982, 2002, Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.3   Enter user-name: e  M -----------------------------------------------------------------------------u  E In addition, the so called "documentation" is unbelievable. There areeB so many inaccuracies and missing pieces in the 9i VMS InstallationE Guide and Administration Guides that I can't imagine a non VMS expertr, being able to ever figure out how to run it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:16:54 -0400p0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot press releasea/ Message-ID: <3E493E13.64BA8C71@vl.videotron.ca>h   Sue Skonetski wrote:3 > We have come to an impasse, the newsgroup and me..   No ! Sue, we love you !l  K > I can either wait until stuff shows up on the official HP site's and thenaI > post it or I can post it as soon as I get it.  I thought that the choir  > would want to know first.m  K Sue, when you post stuff like that "in advance", simply include a tidbit athG the top to indicate that you are making this available now and that the K document has been submit to HP for eventual release. This tells us to be onb= the lookout for a real press release some time in the future.e  N But by simply posting the link, it gives us the impression that the broadcastsL stops at that URL with nothing more being done/expected, hence the criticism of preaching to the choir.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 11:43:53 -0800+ From: seanobanion@attbi.com (Sean O'Banion)-' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot press release-= Message-ID: <f883d5a4.0302111143.233e134f@posting.google.com>s   Sue,  ? I've always viewed this group as a "raw" source of information, E and take everything here with a grain of salt. Often, what I see here ? is a good starting point for further investigation and a way tot increase my understanding.  E If I only waited for "cooked" ( what else is the opposite of "raw"? )-A information, I'd understand much less, and be pretty bored and be: boring besides.L Who'd want that?  :-)$   Keep it coming!t     Sean  g "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<b2atvh$n9l$1@web1.cup.hp.com>..., > Folks, > 3 > We have come to an impasse, the newsgroup and me.h > K > I can either wait until stuff shows up on the official HP site's and thenCI > post it or I can post it as soon as I get it.  I thought that the choiry > would want to know first.aI > But if I post stuff early and just get negative response it seems a bituN > pointless to me.  And while folks may consider it preaching to the "choir" IM > prefer to think of it as "family" and you always take care of your "family"dG > first and "family" does not mind if there are a few uncrossed T's and  > undotted i's.  > ( > The choice is yours, just let me know. >  > suet >  > B > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message& > news:b28hg8$dne$1@web1.cup.hp.com...B > > http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_boot.html > >  > >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:12:15 GMT,L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot press release 6 Message-ID: <00A1B560.0B07CA80@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  b In article <b2atvh$n9l$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes: >Folks,o > 2 >We have come to an impasse, the newsgroup and me. > J >I can either wait until stuff shows up on the official HP site's and thenH >post it or I can post it as soon as I get it.  I thought that the choir >would want to know first.H >But if I post stuff early and just get negative response it seems a bitM >pointless to me.  And while folks may consider it preaching to the "choir" IiL >prefer to think of it as "family" and you always take care of your "family"F >first and "family" does not mind if there are a few uncrossed T's and >undotted i's. >-' >The choice is yours, just let me know.        Sue: 5  ! The newsgroup is not of one mind.c  G I vote for letting us know ASAP.  However, regardless of majority vote,>J some people will complain about undotted i's.  You can't please everybody;N just note whether it's the same people with the same complaints over and over.  L (Try not to take the complaints personally.  When they're responding to yourH post by complaining about failures of upper management, etc, they're notL actually complaing about your posting URLs before the press releases go out.K But they're not going to stop, either.  The people who are complaining have K legitimate complaints; they're just not really complaints about what you'rei doing.)r   -- Alanh  O ===============================================================================g0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025nO ===============================================================================-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:31:15 -0500i5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>-' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot press releaseA* Message-ID: <b2atvh$n9l$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Folks,  1 We have come to an impasse, the newsgroup and me.H  I I can either wait until stuff shows up on the official HP site's and theniG post it or I can post it as soon as I get it.  I thought that the choirs would want to know first.MG But if I post stuff early and just get negative response it seems a bitDL pointless to me.  And while folks may consider it preaching to the "choir" IK prefer to think of it as "family" and you always take care of your "family"oE first and "family" does not mind if there are a few uncrossed T's and 
 undotted i's.b  & The choice is yours, just let me know.   sue     @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:b28hg8$dne$1@web1.cup.hp.com...@ > http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_boot.html >e >o   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 09:51:26 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot press releasei3 Message-ID: <u6WGooPsauLk@eisner.encompasserve.org>F  d In article <b2b40m$1aerjl$1@ID-118202.news.dfncis.de>, "Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com> writes: > Sue,Z > Most of us who "read" teh news group but only speak occasionally greatly appriciate your; > information. Don't let a few spoil it for the rest of us.m  H Many of us who have never been accused of being taciturn also appreciate Sue's information.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:09:38 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot press releasei2 Message-ID: <MLqcnXuNk7TRvdSjXTWc3w@metrocast.net>  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:b2atvh$n9l$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > Folks, >-3 > We have come to an impasse, the newsgroup and me.3 >6K > I can either wait until stuff shows up on the official HP site's and thens/ > post it or I can post it as soon as I get it.o  G Posting was not the problem:  calling it a 'press release' was - unlessmL you're saying that some time very soon it will appear in the section of HP'sI Web site where it places copies of material that it actually sends to they: press, in which case just making that clear would be fine.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:38:53 GMT.7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)a' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot press release-, Message-ID: <Nya2a.73644$be.55987@rwcrnsc53>  _ In article <MLqcnXuNk7TRvdSjXTWc3w@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:g >iA >"Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in messagee% >news:b2atvh$n9l$1@web1.cup.hp.com...B	 >> Folks,9 >>4 >> We have come to an impasse, the newsgroup and me. >>L >> I can either wait until stuff shows up on the official HP site's and then0 >> post it or I can post it as soon as I get it. >tH >Posting was not the problem:  calling it a 'press release' was - unlessM >you're saying that some time very soon it will appear in the section of HP'smJ >Web site where it places copies of material that it actually sends to the; >press, in which case just making that clear would be fine.a  H There *is* a link to what looks like a "press release" on the same page:  J http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/download/OpenVMSbootmedia.pdf   Does that count?   :-)    >e >- bille >  >d >M  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:03:33 -0600n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31' Message-ID: <3E49AB75.A18F7BF0@fsi.net>t   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3E486FE5.BAA2098A@fsi.net...w > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > >  > > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > > > [snip]  > > > > You can help to continue > > > > to fill the glass, > > >tE > > > Really? To whom should I send my air-ready commercials for bothiL > > > television and radio? ... my camera-ready ad copy for the print media? > > G > > Better still: I'll do the production and book the ad-space/air-time K > > myself. That way, at least I can be certain that it will happen and notT/ > > get lost in the VMS advertising black-hole.- > >aJ > > Just tell me where to have the invoices sent! If I don't hear from youK > > by this time next week (17-Feb-2003), I'll just have 'em send the bills4 > > to Mark Gorham.m > > 9 > > (Lesson: If you want something done, do it yourself!)s > > G > > DJE Systems just appointed itself the marketing arm of HP's OpenVMSd
 > > division!. > >i > 7 > I think your currently being paid what you are worth.   F Indeed. It is wisely said that the measure of a man is what he will do8 knowing that he will not be compensated for his efforts.  B This would, of course, be a volunteer effort, like my pro-hobbyistH activities. The invoices mentioned would be from the media providers for ad-space and air time.   -- t David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:21:35 -0500h& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 310 Message-ID: <Bna2a.877$cc1.659@news.cpqcorp.net>   Z wrote:0 > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:H > : I am sure HP would be happy to do that if someone stepped forward toK > : pay as much for that transition as Intel is paying for the current one.i > H > If the prior poster is correct, the next port will be far cheaper than > this one to Itanium.  : Depends where you are porting to and how fast you want it.   Good, fast, cheap.  Pick two.o   -- i John Reagano' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leaderr Hewlett-Packard Companyt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:10:55 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 318 Message-ID: <cvli4vosaq4a6t7vfoa88prga529mer6rp@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:08:05 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyt. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:     >  >IA32 has 16000+ apps. >HP-PA has 5000+ apps. >IA-64 has ????  apps. >n2 >IA-64 has been available to developers since 20010 >Oracle just released support for HP-UX on IA-64/ >and no other Oracle products, hardly a ringings
 >endorsement.  >k  F Hmm... well, if I were an ISV with limited resources, I may decide notA to actively work on the IA64 version until we're closer to volumerD shipment.  I could have active plans to support it, but no reason to> start real work until it's within 1 year (6 months?) of volume shipment of real systems.e  B I just couldn't see why anyone ISV would be too motivated with the4 small release "developer" systems available to date.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:00:32 GMTa, From: Leonard Fehskens <len.fehskens@hp.com> Subject: Re: Rogues Gallerya; Message-ID: <Xns931F83E141540LenNewsgroupID@16.105.248.153>-  H bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in news:b1bqol$11oh3i$1@ID- 135708.news.dfncis.de:  ! > Or even Bob Supnik on Page 265?nH >          http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page265.jpg  F Bob lived in the same dormitory at MIT as I did, managed my band for a< while, and I worked for him for many years.  That's not Bob.   len.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:09:33 -0500 ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>aJ Subject: Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS0 Message-ID: <dtdc2b.bl7.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>  J It was really entertaining to come into work one day to find a foot print 2 on the glass cover of an RP06 on the DECSYSTEM-20.   --             Stui   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:10:39 -0500s' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>2J Subject: RE: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS0 Message-ID: <fvdc2b.bl7.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>   Main, Kerry wrote:   >  > ? >>>> "Son, you're going to learn how to replace heads on a disks > drive..."<<< > H > Mmmm.. I wonder how many FE's today would even know what a scope was - > let alone know how to use it.t >      Oooh, pick me!  Pick me!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:41:22 -0800s( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>J Subject: Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS- Message-ID: <3E4935C2.8A655C09@NelsonUSA.com>d   Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote:o  G > They were refurbing the air conditioning and painting again (one timerF > they painted the ceiling by standing on the spinning RP06 drive tops@ > (which probably would've caused loss of limbs if the glass had
 > broken...).t   Not nearly so bad, but...e  ? The place I worked in 1977 put a temporary computer room in theR@ warehouse area by simply putting partitions around the PDP-11/70> and 11/40 systems.   The ceiling was 24 feet high, and open to the rest of the warehouse.  @ One Monday morning, I came in to find a white and green mound onD top of the RP04 drive cover.   Looking up, I saw one of the resident1 birds perched on a pipe, directly over the drive.-  > From then on, the operators were instructed to first check for? birds before changing packs, and to never leave the drive covere open.D   Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 14:39:53 -0800, From: mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin)Y Subject: Re: Sysgen and UAF memory limit recommendations for Oracle on small machine (256h= Message-ID: <e9cbc4f2.0302111439.35c56c3b@posting.google.com>d  \ Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C2D1BA.4E65C590@sulfer.icius.com>...G > Go have a chat with Dave Turner at Island. He has a good supplier fort > memory, he'll sort you out.t >  > Shanel >   F Yes, I agree. I just bought a 9 gig drive and new SCSI controller fromD him. But he and I just had this discussion about the memory for thatD box. It's the same price for him. The problem is the type of memory.C I'm not sure it's made anymore so it's the old supply/demand thing. F It's kind of like needing an RA81. You wouldn't think anyone would payF $500 or more plus freight for a slow 456MB drive that draws 15 amps on" startup, but do a Google search...   Bill   > -----Original Message-----: > From: mcbill20@hotmail.com [mailto:mcbill20@hotmail.com]* > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:37 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H > Subject: Re: Sysgen and UAF memory limit recommendations for Oracle on > small machine (256MB). >  > 4 > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageJ > news:<BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660D5D@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp
 > .net>...	 > > Bill,  > > K > > As a fyi, I would suggest upgrading to VMS V7.3-1 as I suspect you will27 > > find the overall performance much better than V7.3.n > G > When I can get a later CD I'll do that. The 7.3 was the latest that Ie > could dig up right now.  >  > > L > > Having stated that 256MB is not a lot of memory for a server these days. > >  > > K > > Heck, most desktop PC's require 256MB to run latest Windows XP software@4 > > with a number of standard desktop applications.  > G > True, but thanks to Digital's usurious pricing for things like memoryrE > (5-10x going market rate), upgrading is not an option. This machinetF > started with 128MB and I paid $300 for used memory to get it to 256.D > And, the $300 that I paid was a little more than 1/2 of the normal% > price for used memory for this box.e > <snip>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:05:29 -0400i0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: TCPIP: How to multihomede/ Message-ID: <3E493B68.2552936B@vl.videotron.ca>k  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:d >  EIA0: >  IE0   (0 > A)  > > If you want a pseudo interface associated with EIA0:  issue:4 >                                                  ^. > $ {UCX/TCPIP}  SET INTERFACE IEA0 /HOST=<ip>  7 > It's not *obvious* from any of the documenation IIRC.o   Wow ! It works ! A miracle !!!!t   Many thanks.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:44:26 GMTs" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG% Subject: Re: TCPIP: How to multihomedc0 Message-ID: <00A1B529.E2E4E183@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <3E48D021.BA96528@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:aH >Ok, I would like to have one VAX (TCPIP Services 5.3) appear to be 2 IP) >adresses on the same ethernet interface.e >06 >I have the primary address defined and it works fine. >s >SE0 is 10.0.0.10  >RJ >How the ?%&?% do I define a second interface and/or second IP address ?   >mN >All the doc says is to look at LIST COMMUNICATIONS_CONTROLLER , but what do I >do with that output ? >YF >Must I DEFINE COMMUNICATION_CONTROLLER to enable some sort of virtual9 >interface that maps to the same ethernet device ( ESA0 )  >y >sK >My need is as follows: when a web request comes from the outside of my NATtK >lan, I want to route it to the second IP address on my vax so that the web , >server will treat that request differently.      J OK. JF...   Suppose your mahine has the following physical ethernet ports:    EIA0:  EIB0:  EIC0: o  EID0:  /              UCX would configure interfaces of:     IE0   (0 > A)  IE1   (1 > B)  IE2   (2 > C)  IE3   (3 > D)  < If you want a pseudo interface associated with EIA0:  issue:2                                                  ^, $ {UCX/TCPIP}  SET INTERFACE IEA0 /HOST=<ip>  H Use the /NETWORK_MASK and /BROADCAST_MASK if you need to specify special1 (different) values for routing from the defaults.e   If you needed another...  , $ {UCX/TCPIP}  SET INTERFACE IEB0 /HOST=<ip>    J It's not *obvious* from any of the documenation IIRC.  Anyhow, I used thisK here with spendid results.  Of course, with a quad NIC, I really don't havel( much need for pseudo interfaces anymore. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMd            s5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:43:41 -0000n* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>% Subject: Re: TCPIP: How to multihomedt+ Message-ID: <b2aume$oq6@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>v  W <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message news:00A1B529.E2E4E183@SendSpamHere.ORG...t  L > It's not *obvious* from any of the documenation IIRC.  Anyhow, I used thisM > here with spendid results.  Of course, with a quad NIC, I really don't have3* > much need for pseudo interfaces anymore.  N The documentation could be better. The trick is knowing that you need to sneak% an extra 'A' into the interface name.s   How the FM explains things:1R http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6526/6526pro_005.html#lower_pseudo_i_sec   Documentation feedback:a openvmsdoc@compaq.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:11:46 GMT-9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> % Subject: Re: TCPIP: How to multihomedR? Message-ID: <74391fc34b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>@  - In message <3E48D021.BA96528@vl.videotron.ca>e;           JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:-  I > Ok, I would like to have one VAX (TCPIP Services 5.3) appear to be 2 IP * > adresses on the same ethernet interface. > 7 > I have the primary address defined and it works fine.f >  > SE0 is 10.0.0.10   > K > How the ?%&?% do I define a second interface and/or second IP address ?  n > O > All the doc says is to look at LIST COMMUNICATIONS_CONTROLLER , but what do I  > do with that output ?d > G > Must I DEFINE COMMUNICATION_CONTROLLER to enable some sort of virtual/: > interface that maps to the same ethernet device ( ESA0 ) >  > L > My need is as follows: when a web request comes from the outside of my NATL > lan, I want to route it to the second IP address on my vax so that the web- > server will treat that request differently.c   from my memory it'ssE TCPIP> SET INTERFACE SEA1 /ADDR=10.0.0.11 and you might to define the. netmask as wellM  K You can add multiple addresses, each with a unique interface. Note that theiI primary is SE0, the secondaries are SEA1, SEA2 etc - the A is meant to be  there.   -- m
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:37:53 GMT'" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG% Subject: Re: TCPIP: How to multihomedb0 Message-ID: <00A1B539.BBE16DAF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  X In article <b2aume$oq6@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes: >9X ><VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message news:00A1B529.E2E4E183@SendSpamHere.ORG... > M >> It's not *obvious* from any of the documenation IIRC.  Anyhow, I used thiseN >> here with spendid results.  Of course, with a quad NIC, I really don't have+ >> much need for pseudo interfaces anymore.r >oO >The documentation could be better. The trick is knowing that you need to sneake& >an extra 'A' into the interface name. >a >How the FM explains things:S >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6526/6526pro_005.html#lower_pseudo_i_seca >  >Documentation feedback: >openvmsdoc@compaq.com  N ...and I still think it is worded in a confusing fashion; hence, JF's issues.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:53:52 GMTd# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t$ Subject: The importance of marketingH Message-ID: <AWg2a.24621$Qf1.18031@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  F It may not seem like much, but it's among the things one gets when oneB markets ...column inches of press....which begat mind share, which begat customers...  2 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,881435,00.aspF "During an exclusive evaluation of the Sun Fire 15K at Sun, eWeek LabsD found that the server, announced and made available this week, has a host of features ......."t    E It's also interesting to note that if one goes to the SAP website andt@ looks at the SAP benchmarks and compare this new Sun box with 72E processors vs. the new Alpha with 32 processors, one sees how memory,nE cpu and cache inefficient the Sun box actually is for the performanceo differential between the boxes.k  F Many people/customers will not be buying SAP, but they will be readingD eWeek and other similar publications, so what they will recollect isF the fine review Sun got, and Alphaservers won't even register in their cerebral cortexes.  A Are we sure that a mole from Sun isn't in charge of Alpha and VMSE: marketing? Where's James Jesus Angleton when you need him?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:57:33 GMTaL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")( Subject: Re: The importance of marketing6 Message-ID: <00A1B577.224B0197@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  n In article <AWg2a.24621$Qf1.18031@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:G >It may not seem like much, but it's among the things one gets when oneaC >markets ...column inches of press....which begat mind share, whichp >begat customers...h >a3 >http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,881435,00.asp G >"During an exclusive evaluation of the Sun Fire 15K at Sun, eWeek LabsBE >found that the server, announced and made available this week, has aa >host of features ......." >c >dF >It's also interesting to note that if one goes to the SAP website andA >looks at the SAP benchmarks and compare this new Sun box with 72/F >processors vs. the new Alpha with 32 processors, one sees how memory,F >cpu and cache inefficient the Sun box actually is for the performance  >differential between the boxes. >-G >Many people/customers will not be buying SAP, but they will be readingEE >eWeek and other similar publications, so what they will recollect is G >the fine review Sun got, and Alphaservers won't even register in theirL >cerebral cortexes.e >sB >Are we sure that a mole from Sun isn't in charge of Alpha and VMS >marketing?   " Or at any rate a mole from Compaq.  0 >Where's James Jesus Angleton when you need him?  L James Jesus Angleton is the last thing VMS marketing needs.  Really, does itH need to spend a decade chasing its own tail looking for a mole and never: finding one?  (And who would Nosenko be in this analysis?)   -- Alan-    O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056iM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:28:00 GMTA# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>w( Subject: Re: The importance of marketingH Message-ID: <4bj2a.26202$Qf1.19469@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ' ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"":1 <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote in message 0 news:00A1B577.224B0197@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...  F > James Jesus Angleton is the last thing VMS marketing needs.  Really, does itaD > need to spend a decade chasing its own tail looking for a mole and nevert< > finding one?  (And who would Nosenko be in this analysis?)     Point taken.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:47:40 +0000 (UTC)d, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)! Subject: UCX XDM, Linux vncservere. Message-ID: <b2bnhc$dl0$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  F I have UCX (mumble TCPIP) 5.1 installed (under VMS 7.3), which says itK contains XDM.  The service is enabled, and there's a process running calledl3 TCPIP$XDM_1 (used 0.43 seconds of CPU in 165 days).t  G I'm trying to get a VMS login screen on a vncserver (Xvnc) running on a  Linux box.     Results:  / % vncserver -query unix-host		Unix login screen * % vncserver -broadcast			Unix login screen5 % vncserver -indirect unix-host		menu of Unix systems ) % vncserver -query vms-host		empty screeni  H It looks like the weak link here is the VMS XDM server, but according to4 everything I can see on the VMS end, it's enabled.     LUMINA$ ucx sho serv xdm  L Service             Port  Proto    Process          Address            State  O XDM                  177  UDP      TCPIP$XDM        0.0.0.0             Enabledd   LUMINA$ ucx sho serv xdm/fui   Service: XDM-                            State:     EnabledFG Port:              177     Protocol:  UDP             Address:  0.0.0.0 I Inactivity:          0     User_name: TCPIP$XDM       Process:  TCPIP$XDMaE Limit:               1     Active:        0           Peak:         0   , File:         TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$XDM_RUN.COM Flags:        None   Socket Opts:  Rcheck Scheckc0  Receive:            0     Send:               0  K Log Opts:     Acpt Actv Dactv Conn Error Exit Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct TimO Addrt7  File:        SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$XDM]TCPIP$XDM_RUN.LOG    Security  Reject msg:  not definedo  Accept host: 0.0.0.0i  Accept netw: 0.0.0.0c  L Results are the same on UCX 5.3 + VMS 7.3-1.  The network connections to theB Unix servers are the same as to the VMS servers.  What's going on?  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org_> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:47:09 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: UCX XDM, Linux vncserverr5 Message-ID: <N3f2a.278620$xv1.3262069@news.chello.at>r  ] In article <b2bnhc$dl0$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:sG >I have UCX (mumble TCPIP) 5.1 installed (under VMS 7.3), which says itoL >contains XDM.  The service is enabled, and there's a process running called4 >TCPIP$XDM_1 (used 0.43 seconds of CPU in 165 days).   Sounds reasonable.; btw: You obviously know that TCPIP V5.3 (ECO 2) is current.r  H >I'm trying to get a VMS login screen on a vncserver (Xvnc) running on a
 >Linux box.  i  # Sorry, no experiences with VNC yet.tH But properly configured, I had success with many versions of eXcursions.  M >Results are the same on UCX 5.3 + VMS 7.3-1.  The network connections to theuC >Unix servers are the same as to the VMS servers.  What's going on?s  C Check again the XDM configuration files in SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$XDM]i@ namely the XACCESS.TXT XDM_CONFIG.CONF XDM_KEYS.TXT XSERVERS.TXT  F Check also with another x11 server (like a VXT2000, eXcursion, eXceed,G Reflection-X, NCD explora, IBM Netstation, ...) to see on which side ofn( your XCD VNC equation your problem is...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERi% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:55:51 -0500d From: Dan <dan@vrx.net>o Subject: updating BIND?S8 Message-ID: <thhi4vs905ajs4opoluk744tuvpopljrvj@4ax.com>  9 how do I get an updated version of BIND for vms (alpha) ? D the version that comes with openvms (8.1.2 I think) has some serious security holes  B I thought about getting the source code off the web, but alpha vmsE doesn't have gcc, nor the libraries, nor is any of that going to worki very soon...   Dan.   ------------------------------   Date: 11 FEB 2003 21:16:55 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: updating BIND?a6 Message-ID: <11FEB03.21165551@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  / In a previous article, Dan <dan@vrx.net> wrote:a; ->how do I get an updated version of BIND for vms (alpha) ?uF ->the version that comes with openvms (8.1.2 I think) has some serious ->security holes  / Probably not the answer you were looking for...   " Bind 9 is included in TCP/IP V5.3.  C To my knowledge, many of the security holes in 8 do not affect the e VMS version.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 4 --             karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:00:37 -0500o From: Dan <dan@vrx.net>p Subject: Re: updating BIND?a8 Message-ID: <njsi4vovt446tbls63m80va6c6iofi0udk@4ax.com>   ugh...' is there a way to get that for free? :)u   Dan.B On 11 FEB 2003 21:16:55 GMT, karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) wrote:-  0 >In a previous article, Dan <dan@vrx.net> wrote:< >->how do I get an updated version of BIND for vms (alpha) ?G >->the version that comes with openvms (8.1.2 I think) has some seriousd >->security holes  > 0 >Probably not the answer you were looking for... >-# >Bind 9 is included in TCP/IP V5.3.e >dD >To my knowledge, many of the security holes in 8 do not affect the 
 >VMS version.T   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:47:39 +01000: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>C Subject: VAX/VMS V7.3: Backup unable to save files on a vollume set9/ Message-ID: <b2anpk$7s71@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>    Hi,i  J I'vwe just discovered this strange behaviour (VAX/VMS V7.3 + all patches):   SAP23_Rohwedder. dir   Directory DSA13:[TEST]  L 1.1;1                                    0/0         11-FEB-2003 12:32:50.34L 2.2;1                                    0/0         11-FEB-2003 12:32:53.87L 3.3;1                                    0/0         11-FEB-2003 12:32:56.02   Total of 3 files, 0/0 blocks.a+ SAP23_Rohwedder. back/log 1.1 sc:a.bck/saveg; %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DSA13:[TEST]1.1;*a+ SAP23_Rohwedder. back/log *.* sc:a.bck/saveF; %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DSA13:[TEST]*.*;*S  + DSA13 is the primary member of a volumeset:A   SAP23_Rohwedder. sh dev dsa13n  F Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free 	 Trans MntvH   Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks 	 Count CnteG DSA13:                  Mounted              0  VS_KITS_01     1775772 h	     1   4lG DSA15:                  Mounted              0  VS_KITS_02     1759570 ,	     1   4lG DSA16:                  Mounted              0  VS_KITS_03     1778605 n	     1   4 G DSA17:                  Mounted              0  VS_KITS_04     1746504 t	     1   4hG DSA18:                  Mounted              0  VS_KITS_05     1781100 m	     1   4 B $1$DIA105:      (MTI5)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA13:)B $1$DIA205:      (MTI2)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA13:)B $1$DIA1140:    (HSD01)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA16:)B $1$DIA1150:    (HSD01)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA15:)B $1$DIA1160:    (HSD01)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA17:)B $1$DIA1230:    (HSD02)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA18:)B $1$DIA1260:    (HSD02)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA17:)B $1$DIA2350:    (HSD03)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA16:)B $1$DIA2450:    (HSD04)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA15:)B $1$DIA2460:    (HSD04)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA18:)  H Btw., the same commands issued from an alphasystem (clustered) work o.k.   SAP01_Rohwedder. dir   Directory DSA13:[TEST]  L 1.1;1                                    0/0         11-FEB-2003 12:32:50.34L 2.2;1                                    0/0         11-FEB-2003 12:32:53.87L 3.3;1                                    0/0         11-FEB-2003 12:32:56.02   Total of 3 files, 0/0 blocks.i+ SAP01_Rohwedder. back/log *.* sc:a.bck/saves* %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DSA13:[TEST]1.1;1* %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DSA13:[TEST]2.2;1* %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DSA13:[TEST]3.3;1     -- e  + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards     Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.del- mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de'   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:20:49 -0500 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>s  Subject: Re:  What is a Cluster?K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BC6@rlghncst964.usps.gov>h   You forgot the part about how   3 "the extensions coincidentally (wink wink nod nod)  6  break compatibility with anything that doesn't adopt   the extensions" U   in your description, David.p  / (the "Does not play well with others" syndrome)    WWWebb   Dean Woodward wrote: >L > Stuart Johnson wrote:tH > > This reminds me of a quote by some female Microsoft spokesperson who saidI > > some years back that Microsoft obeys industry "standards" and if theym don't   > > like them, they change them. >uF > The phrase you're thinking of is "Embrace and Extend".  It's been MS > policy for some time now.t  E Oh, well, in that case, it would be more accurate to say, "Acquire by D any means, legal or illegal, claim as our own, add little to make itH look like we really originated it and then tout it as industry standard,  whether anyone likes it or not."   -- David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ========================  William W. Webb- EMS Operations  OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS' 4924 Green Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2800o
 919.874.3043 c* <FirstInitialLastNameAtEMAILDotUSPSDotGOV>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:16:42 -0600t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: What is a Cluster?i' Message-ID: <3E49AE8A.3019B8F4@fsi.net>l  
 VAXVMS wrote:a >  > You forgot the part about howm > 4 > "the extensions coincidentally (wink wink nod nod)7 >  break compatibility with anything that doesn't adopte >  the extensions" >  > in your description, David.'   I stand corrected.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2003 15:10:24 -0800( From: csernica@ihwy.com (Chris Csernica) Subject: Re: Window Manager JoyB= Message-ID: <52ca495e.0302111510.614c5b10@posting.google.com>=  m Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote in message news:<b2bb6p$5qo$1@bozon.softax.com.pl>...,  H > Could you describe your problem more precisely? Our software works on 4 > two-head AlphaStation with OpenVMS and works well.  F The problem isn't with VMS as such, it's with the CDE. X seems to knowE about both screens, and it's possible to run software successfully onpD either one. But it's not very friendly to the users. If you're using? the old DECWindows session manager, you're likely not having myt: problems. I've never tried it, but according to HP handlesF multi-headed displays better. For the reason I mentioned, I don't want to go back to it though.  F With CDE, the background on screen 1 remains that ugly black-and-whiteE herringbone pattern no matter what you do, and the window decorations C remain that default beige color I find hard on the eyes. There's no F easy way to specify which screen to create new application windows on.C Yes, there's "Set Default Screen" in the App Manager, but that sets-F the default screen for all subsequent invocations of that application,C so if you start creating DECterms on screen 1 it will keep creatingyC them on screen 1 even if you set the default screen back to 0 lateruD on. Once created, there's no way to move a window from one screen toD the other. On screen 1, only the default X screensaver is available.  E These are just the problems I've noticed; I'm sure there are numerousnE other inconveniences. Essentially, the problem is that the version ofoF CDE for VMS doesn't provide a whole lot of features for dealing with aC multi-headed display. I'd prefer a window manager/desktop that did.-  C But all that was just the reasoning behind my asking the question Il@ really wanted to ask, which was if anyone has had any success inB building and running FVWM 2.4.15 on a reasonably recent version of VMS.   -- Chris Csernicac   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:01:08 GMT ( From: Chris Csernica <csernica@ihwy.com> Subject: Window Manager Joyr: Message-ID: <8C52a.1036$8Z5.16542@sea-read.news.verio.net>   Perhaps someone here can help.  E We installed some multi-headed displays in our facility a short time eI ago, and DECWindows CDE isn't handling the situation very well. I looked  F around on the web to see if I could find a free or open-source window L manager around that could handle a multi-headed display a bit more adroitly.  F FVWM seemed to hold out some promise, especially since it came with a D descrip file for MMS, which suggested to me that VMS was supported. C Closer inspection reveals that descrip file had been generated for 7E version 2.3 of FVWM, which is the previous unstable branch. (It also tF seems to assume an older version of DEC C, since the modules included G for the VMS port include substitutes for some of the socket routines.) wH It doesn't work as-is for the current stable version (2.4.15). Although G 2.5 is now the current unstable branch, I am (understandably, I think) cH unwilling to put 2.3 onto a production system. But I'm having a heck of 0 a time trying to get 2.4.15 to build on VMS 7.3.  D I know that the old DECWindows session manager is suppose to handle I multi-headed displays better than CDE, but our users have gotten used to eC a prettier desktop and I don't think they'll be willing to go back.   I So, has anyone had any luck getting a recent FVWM release to run? Or can e+ anyone suggest an alternate window manager?1  " Many thanks to anyone who replies.   -- Chris Csernica    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:17:40 +0100_7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>J Subject: Re: Window Manager Joy . Message-ID: <b2bb6p$5qo$1@bozon.softax.com.pl>   Chris Csernica wrote:-  > Perhaps someone here can help. > G > We installed some multi-headed displays in our facility a short time uB > ago, and DECWindows CDE isn't handling the situation very well.   F Could you describe your problem more precisely? Our software works on 2 two-head AlphaStation with OpenVMS and works well.   Regards, Robert   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.085 ************************