0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 12 Feb 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 86      Contents:% Re: "Who says Elephants Can't Dance?"  )!Bm/ Click the link! )!Bm/tr, Re: Barcode Printing from VT510  Re: Cluster Info from DCL  Re: Cluster Info from DCL  Re: Cluster Info from DCL  Re: Cluster Info from DCL ' Concurrent license - process allocation + Re: Concurrent license - process allocation G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages  Re: Fun with FC-AL Re: Help with CDs $ Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...$ Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...$ Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...= Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available = Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available = Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available = Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available 4 Re: Marvel:  Even more marvelous that first thought! Re: More Oracle weirdness  Re: More Oracle weirdness + Re: ODS-2 read/write filesystem for Linux ?  Re: OpenVMS Boot press release Re: OpenVMS Boot press release- Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - RE: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 - Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31 P Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha RetaiP Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai% Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium 7 Poor disk i/o performance on DS10L (scsi) OpenVMS 7.3-1  Re[2]: Cluster Info from DCLA Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS A Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS P Re: Sysgen and UAF memory limit recommendations for Oracle on small machine (256 Re: The importance of ISV's  Re: The importance of ISV's  Re: The importance of marketing  Re: UCX XDM, Linux vncserver Re: updating BIND? Re: VMS @25 CD now available* What kind of connector does KZPBA-CC have?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2003 13:25:25 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon). Subject: Re: "Who says Elephants Can't Dance?"6 Message-ID: <b2di05$1bmo87$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  ( In article <3E49E3BA.9080008@rdrop.com>,( 	Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes: > David J. Dachtera wrote: >> Tom Linden wrote: >>  	 >>>[snip] H >>>What Gerstner did was to marshall the tremendous resources and talentG >>>at IBM to create a customer-centric focus as the integrating factor. H >>>And it's told in an unpretentious, objective style.  Let's hope Carly >>>has read the book.  >>  = >> Will Amazon.com drop ship? I'd just send it her, my treat.  > E > You suppose if three or four hundred copies showed up in her outer   > office, she'd get the hint?  >    No.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:40:24 -0500  From: "BKline" <bkline@aol.com> ' Subject: )!Bm/ Click the link! )!Bm/tr, / Message-ID: <1045040661.507254@nntp.cyberus.ca>   ? Hundreds of amateurs want to show off for you ! Free! 9 http://ctc.amateurpages.com/cgi-bin/ctc/ctc.cgi?40425691 !  Click the link to see!            <d#*H*Lf   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:57:44 +0000 , From: Paul Williams <flo@uk.thalesgroup.com>( Subject: Re: Barcode Printing from VT5102 Message-ID: <3E4A1A98.6BAACC76@uk.thalesgroup.com>  
 dooley wrote:  > @ > We use the folowing - I don't remember what the 0t does though> > (where are all those vt220 pocket guides when you need them) > $       esc[0,7] =   27   > $       csi      =   "''esc'[" > $       say "''csi'5i" > $       say "''csi'0t" > $       type 'type_file' > $       say "''csi'4i" > $       exit  > CSI 0t = Setting lines per physical page to the default value.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:26:04 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) " Subject: Re: Cluster Info from DCL. Message-ID: <MXr2a.42$2t2.28@news.cpqcorp.net>  < In article <69d784c4.0302111544.4569fda@posting.google.com>,0 Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman) writes:  G >How can I script DCL to show me which other nodes in a cluster are up?   5 $ HELP LEXICALS F$CSID Example  (On V7.3-1, at least)    --J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:47:29 -0500 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> " Subject: Re: Cluster Info from DCLK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BC7@rlghncst964.usps.gov>    Jack Trachtman wrote:  > H > How can I script DCL to show me which other nodes in a cluster are up? Thx   < I have a vested interest in immediately knowing, upon login,@ whether any of the nodes in our clusters were recently rebooted.  H This little command procedure gets executed by my LOGIN.COMs on various  systems:  H Same context loop as David's code, but shorter and less detail provided.  ? It would be relatively simple to write a subroutine to process  B f$getsyi("NODENAME",,id) against a list of the nodes in a cluster @ to see if anybody's missing, but unless you've got a very large > number of cluster members it's probably not worth the trouble.   $ type show_cluster_uptime.com  # $!-----SHOW_CLUSTER_UPTIME.COM-----  $!5 $ if f$mode()                   .eqs. "BATCH" .or. -  ;      f$getsyi("CLUSTER_MEMBER") .eqs. "FALSE" then goto NXT  $! $ CONTEXT = "" $! $ BGN: $  ID = f$csid(CONTEXT)  $  if ID .eqs. "" then goto NXT  $  write sys$output - 4    "Node ''f$getsyi("NODENAME",,id)' was rebooted on ''f$getsyi("BOOTTIME",,id)'"
 $ goto BGN $! $ NXT: $ exit   Output looks like this:     3 Node ABC123 was rebooted on 15-DEC-2002 10:46:13.55 3 Node DEF456 was rebooted on 15-DEC-2002 10:51:29.41 3 Node GHI789 was rebooted on 23-JAN-2003 04:08:07.65 3 Node JKL012 was rebooted on 10-FEB-2003 03:13:24.00    HTH    ========================  William W. Webb- EMS Operations  OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS' 4924 Green Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2800 
 919.874.3043  * <FirstInitialLastNameAtEMAILDotUSPSDotGOV>   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 09:49:09 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: Cluster Info from DCL3 Message-ID: <8tBPGw$oJj7F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <69d784c4.0302111544.4569fda@posting.google.com>, Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman) writes: M > How can I script DCL to show me which other nodes in a cluster are up?  Thx       oooh, that's a hard one:       $show cluster   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:18:38 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com" Subject: Re: Cluster Info from DCL? Message-ID: <OFADB7007E.AB693B8D-ON85256CCB.0058F94D@metso.com>    David,  F I tried this and had to add a line to get the leading space out of the4 date-time string for the first nine days of a month., See, below (The comments are for this post).   [imprecise semi-rant on]F Some of these dates have that leading space, and others do not.  Dates) return a space between date and time, but H most input date formats require a colon <:> between date and time.  ISTM+ there should be a way to control this space I vs. no-space, and space vs. colon thing.  I wind up with trial and error.  [imprecise semi-rant off]   I From:  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> on 02/11/2003 09:20 PM   = Please respond to "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>    To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:   % Subject:    Re: Cluster Info from DCL      Jack Trachtman wrote:  > H > How can I script DCL to show me which other nodes in a cluster are up? Thx   E Here's a freebie for the group: I call it simply SHCLU.COM (watch for  wraps):    $ say := WRITE SYS$OUTPUT C $ IF F$GETSYI("CLUSTER_MEMBER") .EQS. "FALSE" THEN GOTO NOT_CLUSTER & $ ftime  = f$getsyi( "cluster_ftime" ) $!6 $! added for when date is " 8-FEB" instead of "18-FEB"< $ if f$extract(0,1,ftime) .eqs. " " then ftime = ftime - " " $!' $ fsysid = f$getsyi( "cluster_fsysid" ) & $ nodes  = f$getsyi( "cluster_nodes" )& $ votes  = f$getsyi( "cluster_votes" )' $ quorum = f$getsyi( "cluster_quorum" ) ' $ FDAY  = F$CVTIME( FTIME,, "WEEKDAY" ) ! $ FDATE = F$ELEM( 0, " ", FTIME ) ! $ FTIME = F$ELEM( 1, " ", FTIME )  $ SAY ""H $ SAY F$FAO( " OpenVMS Cluster founded on !AS, !AS at !AS", FDAY, FDATE, FTIME ) C $ SAY F$FAO( " by System Id !AS; Membership: !UL, Total Votes: !UL,  Quorum: !UL" , - 6         F$EXTR( 4, 8, FSYSID ), nodes, votes, quorum ) $ SAY "" $ CONTEXT = "" $START:  $ id = F$CSID (CONTEXT)  $ IF id .EQS. "" THEN EXIT& $ nodename = F$GETSYI ("NODENAME",,id)% $ hdwe_name = F$GETSYI("HW_NAME",,id)  $ gosub mk_arch_name) $ soft_type = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWTYPE",,id) ) $ soft_vers = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWVERS",,id) + $ syst_idnt = F$GETSYI("NODE_SYSTEMID",,id)  $ gosub op_node_info $ GOTO START
 $NOT_CLUSTER: " $ nodename = F$GETSYI ("NODENAME")! $ hdwe_name = F$GETSYI("HW_NAME")  $ gosub mk_arch_name% $ soft_type = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWTYPE") % $ soft_vers = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWVERS")  $ syst_idnt := $ SAY ""# $ SAY " Not a member of a cluster."  $ SAY "" $ gosub op_node_info $ EXIT $! $mk_arch_name:+ $ arch_name = f$elem( 0, " ", hdwe_name ) - ?         - "Server" - "server" - "Station" - "station" - "Micro"  $ return $! $op_node_info:2 $ say f$fao( "!8AS !AS !AS - !AS !AS !AS (!AS)", -7         nodename, F$EXTR( 4, 8, syst_idnt ), "''id'", - 4         soft_type, arch_name, soft_vers, hdwe_name ) $ return     -- David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 07:02:43 -08006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)0 Subject: Concurrent license - process allocation= Message-ID: <58ba0101.0302120702.59b7290d@posting.google.com>    hi,   D With OpenVMS layered product concurrent use licenses, is there a wayE from OpenVMS that I can see from OpenVMS which licenses are currently  allocated to which processes ?   Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:34:32 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> 4 Subject: Re: Concurrent license - process allocation6 Message-ID: <b2dpia$1bcvjv$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>   Andrew Rycroft wrote:  >...F > With OpenVMS layered product concurrent use licenses, is there a wayG > from OpenVMS that I can see from OpenVMS which licenses are currently   > allocated to which processes ? >...  2 $ SHOW LICENSE/USAGE/FULL should do what you want.   -- Peter WeaverD Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer,A nor the company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it  sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:35:32 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGP Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages0 Message-ID: <00A1B574.144FAAA5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <aFw6CbZDgzMP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: V >In article <00A1B564.9684769E@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:e >> In article <110220031422596941%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:  >>>{...snip...} H >>>It was announced in March 2002.  Did you buy one of these (list price' >>>$19,995) to replace your LNC02?  ;-)  >>   >> No.  Not to replace it. >>   >>  H >>>Yes, it's interesting that this product has Adobe PostScript when allJ >>>other HP PostScript printers I know of have HP's PostScript emulation. + >>>But then, it's not your average printer.  >>  Q >> Emulation or not, did HP stop supplying printers which can process PostScript?  > D >No, they made a general move (when they started using 4 digit modelC >numbers) to use a Postscript engine other than Adobe's, presumably  >due to pricing issues.   P Thanks Larry, that was my point.  If HP is still making postscript printers, whyC are they adamantly opposed to providing something to print on them.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:07:07 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGP Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages0 Message-ID: <00A1B5ED.D795F030@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <11FEB200320402989@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes: X >In article <00A1B574.144FAAA5@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes...e >}In article <aFw6CbZDgzMP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: X >}>In article <00A1B564.9684769E@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:g >}>> In article <110220031422596941%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:  >}>>>{...snip...} J >}>>>It was announced in March 2002.  Did you buy one of these (list price) >}>>>$19,995) to replace your LNC02?  ;-)  >}>>   >}>> No.  Not to replace it. >}>>   >}>>  J >}>>>Yes, it's interesting that this product has Adobe PostScript when allL >}>>>other HP PostScript printers I know of have HP's PostScript emulation. - >}>>>But then, it's not your average printer.  >}>>  S >}>> Emulation or not, did HP stop supplying printers which can process PostScript?  >}> F >}>No, they made a general move (when they started using 4 digit modelE >}>numbers) to use a Postscript engine other than Adobe's, presumably  >}>due to pricing issues.  >}  R >}Thanks Larry, that was my point.  If HP is still making postscript printers, whyE >}are they adamantly opposed to providing something to print on them.  >}   >}--Q >}VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  > H >PDF is PostScript, mostly. It's just in a wrapper that holds additional; >information and allows for some addition stuff to be done.  >  >Not that that helps much.  I ...and wastes forests if sent, inadvertently, to a postscript printer. ;)    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 09:52:37 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)  Subject: Re: Fun with FC-AL - Message-ID: <mMUqeuyz2a+a@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>   % In article <3E4A69BC.6303E09@hp.com>, *    "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@hp.com> writes:  5 >> dump the errlog buffers - I presume some low-level 5 >> driver is remembering the boot path and can't deal 2 >> with the disk no longer being available on that >> path. > B > You need to set up WWID for all paths to the system disk and setD > BOOTDEF_DEV to all of these paths.  This should remedy this error. >   A    I checked and all 4 paths are defined at the console level and  are listed in BOOTDEF_DEV.   > I > This is normal and expected.  The 1st loss is when VMS switches to $QIO I > access to the quorum disk.  One would expect a quorum lost connection & + > regained connection when switching paths.   H    I did a little more experimenting. I got a bunch of IO activity goingH ( doing backup/physicals of all the disks to NL: ), then I unplugged theI hub that the quorum disk was being accessed through. As one would expect, I all the disks autoswitched over to the remaining adapter - but the quorum F disk didn't work properly after that. It seemed to go into a continual cycle of the following:   2 	- report of connection to quorum disk being lost.? 	- cluster hangs ( currently only one node and one quorum disk, $           each with a single vote ).< 	- I watch the lights on the quorum disk, they flash 3 times? 	  at 3 second intervals ( QDSKINTERVAL is set to 3 ), then the / 	  connection to the quorum disk gets restored. > 	- System runs ok for about 3 seconds and then reports loss of           quorum disk again.  	- cycle repeats all over again.  G    I plugged the first hub back in again and after another cycle or two B   of the above the original adapter comes back on-line and clusterC activity goes back to normal. The second time I tried this sequence C the cluster bouncing didn't stop until I killed all the backup jobs  I had running.  C    Concurrent with this the console port on the HSG80 was reporting D a fairly continuous stream of "COMMAND ABORTED" errors. The instance; code was 258000A and the port, target and lun were all 255.   B    ISTM there's some "issues" with quorum disks on FC-AL. It seemsC that getting this working reliably is important in a 2 node cluster 9 (which seems to be the target market for FC-AL support ).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:28:30 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>  Subject: Re: Help with CDs' Message-ID: <3E4A681E.3DF89AA7@vcu.edu>    New Mexico or Nevada????   Jim    David D Miller wrote:  >  > Bill:  > # > Not close -- all beach, no water.  >  > dave.  >    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2003 13:15:03 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ... 6 Message-ID: <b2dhcm$1bmo87$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  ' In article <3E49AC8B.C01F20EF@fsi.net>, 4 	"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:
 > Z wrote: >>  $ >> >IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ... >>   >> Has IBM ever been wrong?  > @ > Depends on your opinion of that "personal computer" thingie... >   A IBM wasn't even wrong on that.  Originally it was supposed to be  B M68K based.  The decision to go with INTEL was a strictly business@ decision knowing full well it was a bad technical decision.  The? fact that going into this IBM knew the worse (worst?) choice of > CPU had been made makes it even more of an accomplishment that' they made it the success it has become.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2003 13:19:37 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ... 6 Message-ID: <b2dhl9$1bmo87$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  0 In article <01C2D1F8.203B5890@sulfer.icius.com>,' 	Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:  > -----Original Message-----8 > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net] >>
 >>Z wrote: >>> % >>> >IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...  >>>  >>> Has IBM ever been wrong? >>@ >>Depends on your opinion of that "personal computer" thingie... > H > Come on, that quote about the world only needing five computers is oneJ > of the most famous in the industry. How wrong can you be? Also buying anJ > OS from Gates that he didn't own at the time. Or how about the PS2? OS2?J > Anybody who's been in business for a while has been wrong sometimes. IBMH > just seem to be able to learn from their mistakes, unlike the chain of > owners VMS has had.  >   = Sometimes what seems like a really bad decision for technical = reasons is made for business reasons.  Does that constitute a ? mistake if it is made knowing fully what the underlying reasons  and possible consequences are?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 09:38:50 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ... 3 Message-ID: <AA04DHENsVZ9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <b2dhcm$1bmo87$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >>   > C > IBM wasn't even wrong on that.  Originally it was supposed to be  D > M68K based.  The decision to go with INTEL was a strictly businessB > decision knowing full well it was a bad technical decision.  TheA > fact that going into this IBM knew the worse (worst?) choice of @ > CPU had been made makes it even more of an accomplishment that) > they made it the success it has become.   E    I don't mind so much that they chose Intel, even 80x86 is the most '    hosed up achitecture I've ever seen.   D    What I mind is the decision to sub out the software to Billy boy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:11:29 +0100 % From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> F Subject: Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available* Message-ID: <3e4a0322@news.swissonline.ch>  L > What features are you looking for in DCE and/or Kerberos?  The preliminary( > Kerberos for OpenVMS documentation at: >   # Thanks Wayne, for this information,   L one idea I have is, that non DCE appliacations could use kerberos (GSSAPI ?)D to pass a security context to a DCE RPC Client (lets say via a CORBAK communication), which then passes this context on to the DCE RPC Server and ; Security Server for DCE authentication (and authorization)?   Could such a configuration work?   best regards   Jakob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:12:46 -0500 , From: Wayne Morrison <Wayne.Morrison@hp.com>F Subject: Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available& Message-ID: <3E49755E.A62768FC@hp.com>   Jakob Erber wrote: > 7 > "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM> wrote in message & > news:b2955i$nbo$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > > Dear OpenVMS Customer, > > N > > HP is pleased to announce the availability of the Kerberos T2.0 field test > > kit for hp OpenVMS Alpha,  > >  >  > Hello Leo, > - > thanks for this Info. May I ask a question: K > How is this Kerberos product related to the Kerberos features, which come  > with DCE for VMS?  >  > best regards >  > Jakob   N The Kerberos T2.0 kit is a new port of a very recent version of MIT Kerberos 5I (1.2.6).  It contains all of the basic functionality of MIT Kerberos, and H future versions of Kerberos and TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS will add theM extended functionality (Kerberized TCP/IP services, OpenVMS equivalent of the  UNIX krb5.login, etc.).   N The Kerberos in DCE is based on a very old version of MIT Kerberos 5, which isO rather tightly integrated into DCE, and limited in capabilities.  You can't set N up a regular KDC with DCE, for example, although you can interoperate KerberosL clients with a DCE cell.  DCE doesn't support the KRB5 API, although it doesO have a specialized version of GSS-API that links to the DCE security services.  K The bottom line is that the Kerberos in DCE is not designed to be used as a G generic Kerberos, but as part of the overall DCE security architecture.   J What features are you looking for in DCE and/or Kerberos?  The preliminary& Kerberos for OpenVMS documentation at:  I http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/kerberos/kerberos_doc.html   O should be of some help.  The KRB5 API is not yet documented, but I'm working on 	 that now.    	Wayne Morrison $ 	Kerberos for OpenVMS project leader$ 	(ex-DCE for OpenVMS project leader)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:41:31 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> F Subject: Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available$ Message-ID: <3e4a7934$1@news.si.com>  K >HP is pleased to announce the availability of the Kerberos T2.0 field test  >kit for hp OpenVMS Alpha,  5 And this is not available for OpenVMS VAX because...?  --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 11:41:45 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) F Subject: Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available3 Message-ID: <M6ETIFp4i$LT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3e4a7934$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:L >>HP is pleased to announce the availability of the Kerberos T2.0 field test >>kit for hp OpenVMS Alpha,  > 7 > And this is not available for OpenVMS VAX because...?   4 Because VAX advocates flunked the grammar test ? :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:02:55 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> = Subject: Re: Marvel:  Even more marvelous that first thought! ' Message-ID: <3E4A702F.3A7F1D13@vcu.edu>   0 Wonder what they do in terms of SETI work units?   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > ; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/02/10/4408466    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2003 02:03 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) " Subject: Re: More Oracle weirdness- Message-ID: <12FEB200302030410@gerg.tamu.edu>   0 mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin) writes...B }After a supposed successful install of Oracle 9i on VMS 7.3, I amB }seeing a strange message when I start up many of the executables," }including sqlplus and orapwd.exe: } M }----------------------------------------------------------------------------  }$ sqlplus  E }%SYSTEM-I-EMULATED, an instruction not implemented on this processor 1 }was emulated at PC=00000000001D9C70, PS=0000001B   : The software was compiled for a later Alpha than you have.> For example, it may have been compiled for an EV6 and you only have an EV56 or earlier.  < See HELP/MESS EMULATED (and/or the information present under; the /ARCHITECTURE qualifier for most of the compilers which  includes information like:@      OpenVMS Version 7.1 and subsequent releases will provide anC      operating system kernel that includes an instruction emulator. G      This emulator allows new instructions, not implemented on the host <      processor chip, to execute and produce correct results.E      Applications using emulated instructions will run correctly, but C      may incur significant software emulation overhead at runtime.)   K So it will work correctly, unless you consider emitting those informational H messages to be incorrect, but it will run slower than if it was compiled9 for the version of the Alpha that you are actually using.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:25:07 -0000 5 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> " Subject: Re: More Oracle weirdness7 Message-ID: <3e4a2193$0$20625$a729d347@news.telepac.pt>   9 "Bill McLaughlin" <mcbill20@hotmail.com> wrote in message 7 news:e9cbc4f2.0302112240.33676930@posting.google.com... C > After a supposed successful install of Oracle 9i on VMS 7.3, I am C > seeing a strange message when I start up many of the executables, # > including sqlplus and orapwd.exe:  > L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > $ sqlplus F > %SYSTEM-I-EMULATED, an instruction not implemented on this processor2 > was emulated at PC=00000000001D9C70, PS=0000001BF > %SYSTEM-I-EMULATED, an instruction not implemented on this processor2 > was emulated at PC=00000000001D9EE0, PS=0000001BF > %SYSTEM-I-EMULATED, an instruction not implemented on this processor2 > was emulated at PC=00000000001D9EE4, PS=0000001BF > %SYSTEM-I-EMULATED, an instruction not implemented on this processor2 > was emulated at PC=00000000001D9F28, PS=0000001BF > %SYSTEM-I-EMULATED, an instruction not implemented on this processor2 > was emulated at PC=00000000001D9F2C, PS=0000001B > F > SQL*Plus: Release 9.2.0.2.0 - Production on Tue Feb 11 23:24:08 2003 > E > Copyright (c) 1982, 2002, Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.  >  > Enter user-name: > L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---  > G > In addition, the so called "documentation" is unbelievable. There are D > so many inaccuracies and missing pieces in the 9i VMS InstallationG > Guide and Administration Guides that I can't imagine a non VMS expert . > being able to ever figure out how to run it.  F Oracle supports 9i release only on EV56 and later (see page 2.2 of the Installation Guide).I Although my knowledge of VMS is rather rusty, I did not have much trouble J getting Oracle 9i release 2 up and running. Beware the Oracle account mustD be owner of the top level directories, both it's login directory andL ORACLE_HOME. The resulting failures of the installation process are not selfG evident. There are certainly some inaccuracies in the docs, but nothing  serious.L At present my main complaint is that they are furnishing an outdated versionJ of Apache, while they could have used CSWS from HP/Compaq. I still have to= find out whether their mod_plsql module would work with CSWS.   
 rob van lopik    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:35:33 -0500 ( From: Bruce Bowler <bbowler@bigelow.org>4 Subject: Re: ODS-2 read/write filesystem for Linux ?6 Message-ID: <b2dij5$1ba9mi$1@ID-134246.news.dfncis.de>  I On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:07:05 -0500, Simon Clubley put fingers to keyboard 	 and said:   @ > Are there any efforts underway to implement a read/write ODS-2 > filesystem for Linux ? > J > The one in FreeVMS is still read-only. Can the FreeVMS developers say if+ > they are moving to making it read/write ?  >  > Thanks for any information,  >  > Simon.  G The following appeared in comp.os.linux.announce late last night...  It  looks like it's still R/O.  0 -------------start quote------------------------A  This is the announce of a new ODS2 file system driver for Linux. J ODS2 is the file system used for OpenVMS running on VAX and Alpha hardware and soon also Itanium.  E This version can read stream files and variable record files only and  can't handle ODS5 format yet.   9 The ODS2 file system can be mounted with several options:   H dollar = <any character>	this will translate any dollar character to the specified character.  I semicolon = <any character>	this will use the specified character between   file extension and file version.  E version = [all, highest, none]	this control if all versions, only the J highest version or no version numbers should be displayed. For option noneF only the file with the highest version number is displayed without the version number.   	 lowercase * all file names is translated to lowercase.   raw J 	this mode will treat all files as stream. In this mode all types of files( can be read but the data is unformatted.  5 Default is dollar = _ , semicolon = . , version = all   H In normal mount mode, without the raw option, only the data portion from% any variable record file is returned.   C lseek is supported for both stream files and variable record files.   I This driver will not support reading of indexed files (ISAM) and relative H files in the kernel ODS2 driver due to the complexity and amount of code	 required. F Instead I will develop an rms library that will support all file types including index files.  G Should any one be interested in this driver please send me a mail and I E will send you the source code. The source is released under GPL. I've / tested the driver with 2.4.18 (SMP) and 2.4.19.    /Jonas Lindholm   J ##########################################################################J # Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: cola@stump.algebra.com #J # PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION.  #J # This group is archived at http://stump.algebra.com/~cola/              #J ##########################################################################4 ------------------end quote-------------------------  - The author is "Jonas Lindholm <jlhm@usa.net>"      --  I +-------------------+---------------------------------------------------+ F Bruce Bowler        | Get someone else to blow your horn and the sound? 1.207.633.9600      | will carry twice as far  - Will Rogers   f bbowler@bigelow.org | I +-------------------+---------------------------------------------------+r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:32:25 +0100t" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot press release 6 Message-ID: <b2bq5t$1apnkr$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  B "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> schreef in bericht$ news:b2atvh$n9l$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > Folks, >n3 > We have come to an impasse, the newsgroup and me.e >eK > I can either wait until stuff shows up on the official HP site's and theniI > post it or I can post it as soon as I get it.  I thought that the choirt > would want to know first. I > But if I post stuff early and just get negative response it seems a bitlL > pointless to me.  And while folks may consider it preaching to the "choir" IOD > prefer to think of it as "family" and you always take care of your "family"G > first and "family" does not mind if there are a few uncrossed T's andi > undotted i's.3 > ( > The choice is yours, just let me know. >  > suep >ML The choice is easy: family comes first and there's always a cousin trying to0 go his own way. They'll grow up or out of it :-)   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:39:07 -0500l; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com>M' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot press releasea$ Message-ID: <3e4a78a4$1@news.si.com>  H >But if I post stuff early and just get negative response it seems a bit >pointless to me.V  L The negative reactions are not, however, directed at you.  They are directedK at HP, in hopes that you or some other HP employee will let management knowyL that they just don't seem to want to spread the news about VMS properly.  No one is shooting the messenger. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot como5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.n@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991e8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:25:38 +0000b' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyu6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31, Message-ID: <3E4A4B52.40500@nospamn.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>:; > wrote in message news:3E47EB6F.4050902@nospamn.sun.com...[ >  >> >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>1 >>>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageBH >>>news:qxP1a.633524$F2h1.557501@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >>>o >>> > >>>>"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message1 >>>>news:xDl4AbfLe0Mu@eisner.encompasserve.org...' >>>> >>>>@ >>>>>In article <3E472B53.3E25D057@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" >>>># >>>><djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:' >>>> >>>>H >>>>>>...additionally, Alpha's announced EOL falls within that "maybe 3" >>>>>k >>>>year >>>> >>>>G >>>>>>span, which still leaves VMS racing full throttle toward a bridge. >>>>>r >>>>that >>>> >>>>C >>>>>>does not yet exist. Continuing that metaphor, "the AlphaCide"  >>>>>- >>>>could be >>>> >>>>B >>>>>>likened to cutting the brake lines on that speeding vehicle. >>>>>uD >>>>>Alpha's announced EOL included the statement that Alpha systemsE >>>>>would still be made as long as there is a significant market forH >>>>>them.  That is no different from systems using any other processor. >>>> >>>>G >>>>That's like asking in 2003, "Who wants to purchase a brand new 1998-J >>>>Mecedes for the same price as the new 2003 model?" Any takers? I think >>>>not. >>>> >>>j >>>RJ >>>Not true.  For instance, I prefer the beauty of the BMW Z3's lines over >> > theo > F >>>Z4, or over the Z8's price ;-).  So, a *brand new* Z3 despite being >>
 > designed > ' >>>in the mid-90's is still attractive.e >>>e >>H >>Great, this explains a lot. It must be Ok because it looks Ok, doesn't: >>perform that well but hey it looks alright so why worry. >> >  > % > Actually my Z3 performs quite well.  >  >    Thanks you proved my point.e  - I sort of hoped that you would be a Z3 owner.-  @ The Z3 may look good although many people don't agree with this,F however it doesn't do well on roadholding or performance. Most people E think that the Z3 and the 8 series were the two worst BMW's in recent0? years and not a patch on the 3-5-7 in terms of their cabilitiesc? when compared with what you could spend your cash on with otherh auto manufacturers.    Which model do you have ?$   regardse Andrew Harrisonl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:14:05 -0800d# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>p6 Subject: RE: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 319 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEGPGJAA.tom@kednos.com>o  ; I like the Z8.  If all VMS sites ordered a PL/I compiler, I0 might be able to afford one:-)   >-----Original Message-----:( >From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy/ >[mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com]6+ >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:26 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com7 >Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31e >v >e >n >e >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:,' >> "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"  ( ><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>< >> wrote in message news:3E47EB6F.4050902@nospamn.sun.com... >> u >>>y >>>Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  >>>v2 >>>>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageI >>>>news:qxP1a.633524$F2h1.557501@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com..." >>>> >>>>? >>>>>"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message 2 >>>>>news:xDl4AbfLe0Mu@eisner.encompasserve.org... >>>>>s >>>>>bA >>>>>>In article <3E472B53.3E25D057@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"i >>>>> $ >>>>><djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >>>>>  >>>>>dI >>>>>>>...additionally, Alpha's announced EOL falls within that "maybe 3"" >>>>>>	 >>>>>yearn >>>>>X >>>>> H >>>>>>>span, which still leaves VMS racing full throttle toward a bridge >>>>>>	 >>>>>thati >>>>>o >>>>> D >>>>>>>does not yet exist. Continuing that metaphor, "the AlphaCide" >>>>>>
 >>>>>could beB >>>>>  >>>>> C >>>>>>>likened to cutting the brake lines on that speeding vehicle.5 >>>>>>E >>>>>>Alpha's announced EOL included the statement that Alpha systemsoF >>>>>>would still be made as long as there is a significant market forI >>>>>>them.  That is no different from systems using any other processor.a >>>>>b >>>>>OH >>>>>That's like asking in 2003, "Who wants to purchase a brand new 1998K >>>>>Mecedes for the same price as the new 2003 model?" Any takers? I think-	 >>>>>not.- >>>>>- >>>> >>>>K >>>>Not true.  For instance, I prefer the beauty of the BMW Z3's lines over  >>>K >> the >> jG >>>>Z4, or over the Z8's price ;-).  So, a *brand new* Z3 despite beings >>>o >> designedt >> <( >>>>in the mid-90's is still attractive. >>>> >>>.I >>>Great, this explains a lot. It must be Ok because it looks Ok, doesn'tw; >>>perform that well but hey it looks alright so why worry.t >>>  >> d >>  & >> Actually my Z3 performs quite well. >> - >> - >  >Thanks you proved my point. > . >I sort of hoped that you would be a Z3 owner. >CA >The Z3 may look good although many people don't agree with this,0G >however it doesn't do well on roadholding or performance. Most people  F >think that the Z3 and the 8 series were the two worst BMW's in recent@ >years and not a patch on the 3-5-7 in terms of their cabilities@ >when compared with what you could spend your cash on with other >auto manufacturers. >  >Which model do you have ? >  >regards >Andrew Harrison >m >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.M; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003e >e ----& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:39:09 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31K Message-ID: <h0t2a.654684$F2h1.409449@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>a  # "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"S8 <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message& news:3E4A4B52.40500@nospamn.sun.com... >" >s   >t > Which model do you have ?  >e   540iAE   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:40:42 -0500iA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>f6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31. Message-ID: <3e4a5ceb$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 7 wrote in message news:3E4A452E.10900@nospamn.sun.com...$ >( >O > Bill Todd wrote:@ > > "Andrew Harrison" <andrew.harrison@sun.com> wrote in message$ > > news:3E47C7AE.9090309@sun.com... > >: > > ...u > >  > > : > >>There are currently 2 reasons why it has a much larger
 > >>die size.O > >>0 > >>1 Its on a 150 nanometer process other CPU's- > >>like SPARC are on 130 nanometer processesE > >, > > K > > Since that's the second time you've said that, I guess is isn't a typo.$L > > Itanic2's process is 180 nm, and Madison's will be 130 nm (as is typical in? > > the industry:  only SPARC made a 150 to 130 nm transition).S > >  >T+ > Sorry you are right, Itanium is currently) > 180 nanometer not 150. >N$ > Makes the point more resoundingly. >   I The point being that a chip at a larger process size is still faster thannF Sparc?  Seems to me the point is that there is a lot more headroom for Itanium than Sparc.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:56:05 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyn6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31, Message-ID: <3E4A6085.80104@nospamn.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 9 > wrote in message news:3E4A452E.10900@nospamn.sun.com...p >  >> >>Bill Todd wrote: >>? >>>"Andrew Harrison" <andrew.harrison@sun.com> wrote in message # >>>news:3E47C7AE.9090309@sun.com...a >>>2 >>>... >>>0 >>>- >>> : >>>>There are currently 2 reasons why it has a much larger
 >>>>die size.  >>>>0 >>>>1 Its on a 150 nanometer process other CPU's- >>>>like SPARC are on 130 nanometer processes  >>>O >>>SJ >>>Since that's the second time you've said that, I guess is isn't a typo.K >>>Itanic2's process is 180 nm, and Madison's will be 130 nm (as is typicale >> > in > > >>>the industry:  only SPARC made a 150 to 130 nm transition). >>>3 >>+ >>Sorry you are right, Itanium is currentlyv >>180 nanometer not 150. >>$ >>Makes the point more resoundingly. >> >  > K > The point being that a chip at a larger process size is still faster than H > Sparc?  Seems to me the point is that there is a lot more headroom for > Itanium than Sparc.  >      AkkkkS  B No that wasn't the point, you claimed that Sun's FABless operationC ment that we don't have access to bleeding edge FAB's and that thise/ will be an issue. Clearly this claim is untrue.   H In addition the process size/wafer size is more important in determining< processor yield and heat consumption than it is performance.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:22:38 -0500rA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>g6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boots on Itanium on Friday Jan 31. Message-ID: <3e4a90ef$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>S7 wrote in message news:3E4A6085.80104@nospamn.sun.com...  >i >  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:' > > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"r' <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>>; > > wrote in message news:3E4A452E.10900@nospamn.sun.com...i > >i > >> > >>Bill Todd wrote: > >>A > >>>"Andrew Harrison" <andrew.harrison@sun.com> wrote in messaget% > >>>news:3E47C7AE.9090309@sun.com...o > >>>S > >>>... > >>>> > >>>H > >>>c< > >>>>There are currently 2 reasons why it has a much larger > >>>>die size.  > >>>>2 > >>>>1 Its on a 150 nanometer process other CPU's/ > >>>>like SPARC are on 130 nanometer processest > >>>  > >>>eL > >>>Since that's the second time you've said that, I guess is isn't a typo.E > >>>Itanic2's process is 180 nm, and Madison's will be 130 nm (as iss typical  > >> > > in > >w@ > >>>the industry:  only SPARC made a 150 to 130 nm transition). > >>>a > >>- > >>Sorry you are right, Itanium is currentlym > >>180 nanometer not 150. > >>& > >>Makes the point more resoundingly. > >> > >) > > H > > The point being that a chip at a larger process size is still faster thanJ > > Sparc?  Seems to me the point is that there is a lot more headroom for > > Itanium than Sparc.u > >: >: >c > Akkkkr >sD > No that wasn't the point, you claimed that Sun's FABless operationE > ment that we don't have access to bleeding edge FAB's and that thism1 > will be an issue. Clearly this claim is untrue.  > J > In addition the process size/wafer size is more important in determining> > processor yield and heat consumption than it is performance. >g  L What is true, is that despite whatever claims of "bleeding edge" process youK might make - and clearly 130 or 150 or 180 mean *different things depending2L on the FAB and the rest of the process* - your only claim of an advantage isI yield and power consumption.  A high yield is good, but of course I don't L expect that Sun or Intel are sharing the yield data with us to know how goodK it is - and a lot more goes into it than wafer and feature size.  Less heat K is good too, especially for low end and mobile computing - which it will be 9 a while before IA32 is displaced from owning that market.i  H So.  Is the architecture just out of gas?  I mean, you're at 130 and notJ keeping up with the "sluggish" Itanium 2 at 180.  When will you get to 90?L What happens when Itanium gets to 90?  How much farther do you think processE shrink will take Sparc?  Can you throw enough money at the problem to  compete?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:36:00 -0500,& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retair8 Message-ID: <s1ri4vctpkncfh8bhcko7hae8bsd17lov4@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:38:02 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyn. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:   >  >t
 >jlsue wrote:sH >> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:10:28 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy   >.I >> So to claim that performance is worse on the GS160 than the GS140/8400t5 >> (i.e., stating it as a general rule) is still FUD.  >> a >a? >I never made that claim, I simply observed that some customers2> >had found that the GS320/160 wasn't faster than their GS140's: >or that they wern't faster to the degree that people were; >led to beleive from the marketing "collateral" provided by9 >Compaq.  D Well, let's take a poll in c.o.v. How many people in this forum have? heard you imply that GS160/320 performed slower than the GS140? B You have made these statements multiple times and I have asked forF sources each time.  You implied, if not outright stated, that it was a general case problem.E   > ; >I also observed that people had to use clustering in a box  >to get good performance.s  C And you disparaged it as a solution.  If it works, then what's your  problem with it?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:04:03 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyoY Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retaip. Message-ID: <3E4A6263.4050806@nospamn.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:G > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:38:02 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyo0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >> >>jlsue wrote: >>H >>>On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:10:28 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy >> > I >>>So to claim that performance is worse on the GS160 than the GS140/8400r5 >>>(i.e., stating it as a general rule) is still FUD.t >>>n >>@ >>I never made that claim, I simply observed that some customers? >>had found that the GS320/160 wasn't faster than their GS140'sy; >>or that they wern't faster to the degree that people weret< >>led to beleive from the marketing "collateral" provided by	 >>Compaq.S >  > F > Well, let's take a poll in c.o.v. How many people in this forum haveA > heard you imply that GS160/320 performed slower than the GS140?tD > You have made these statements multiple times and I have asked forH > sources each time.  You implied, if not outright stated, that it was a > general case problem.r > A NO I didn't I claimed that customers had issues with GS160 vs 140 # performance and that claim is true.   H I am also offering to supply you with an actual example of a UK retailerG who made a significant GS320 investment, who subsequently had to switch8C platforms because of these issues, about as extreme as you can get.o  C Conduct your poll if you like, its hardly going to prove much. VerykA few people a prepared to admit publically that they purchased thet  wrong system and had to dump it.     > < >>I also observed that people had to use clustering in a box >>to get good performance. >  > E > And you disparaged it as a solution.  If it works, then what's yourv > problem with it? >   ? I disparaged it as a solution because it shouldn't be necessary = it increases your costs, it reduces the likelyhood of support-? from ISV's and it is only applicable to some kinds of workload.i   regardse Andrew Harrisono   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 06:51:36 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)c. Subject: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium3 Message-ID: <LgMvs0z22BLo@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  ( The Register (to give credit) points to:  : 	http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/02/11/2398316  = where Terry Shannon has photographs of VMS booting on Itaniumr@ (with lots of extra debugging progress messages in the DIRECTORY  image and the bootstrap itself).   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 09:55:02 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium3 Message-ID: <pRRQfAmFSSQu@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  c In article <LgMvs0z22BLo@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:o* > The Register (to give credit) points to: > < > 	http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/02/11/2398316 > ? > where Terry Shannon has photographs of VMS booting on Itanium-B > (with lots of extra debugging progress messages in the DIRECTORY" > image and the bootstrap itself).      Way cool, man.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:27:49 -0500d% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>f2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium/ Message-ID: <v4l10mm46nlh13@news.supernews.com>   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:LgMvs0z22BLo@eisner.encompasserve.org... * > The Register (to give credit) points to: >n; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/02/11/2398316o >o? > where Terry Shannon has photographs of VMS booting on Itanium B > (with lots of extra debugging progress messages in the DIRECTORY" > image and the bootstrap itself).  K Geez, couldn't they find something other than Windows to use for a console?s   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:46:35 +0000 (UTC)t2 From: setala@phys-staff7.kolumbus.fi (Saku Setala)@ Subject: Poor disk i/o performance on DS10L (scsi) OpenVMS 7.3-11 Message-ID: <b2e19r$2e4$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi>D   Hello,  3 I have the feeling that the disk i/o is quite slow.t  : Now, how can I verify this? Are there any tools to measure9 the read/write performance, and any results where I could  compare to?h   Thanks.    --Saku -- n Saku Setln System Planning Managers) Network Services, Elisa Internet Oy (LTD)c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:48:14 -0500- From: norm.raphael@metso.com% Subject: Re[2]: Cluster Info from DCLh? Message-ID: <OF5F51A2F0.F64EE937-ON85256CCB.005BA65E@metso.com>I   David,  F I tried this and had to add a line to get the leading space out of the4 date-time string for the first nine days of a month.  
 [NEW TEXT]@ I also found that "VERSION" gives, for example "V7.2-2  ", while@ "NODE_SWVERS" gives "V7.2", so I've substuted that line as well.2 [END NEW TEXT, additional change _is_ in the code]  , See, below (The comments are for this post).   [imprecise semi-rant on]F Some of these dates have that leading space, and others do not.  Dates) return a space between date and time, butlH most input date formats require a colon <:> between date and time.  ISTM+ there should be a way to control this spacesI vs. no-space, and space vs. colon thing.  I wind up with trial and error.h [imprecise semi-rant off]o  I From:  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> on 02/11/2003 09:20 PM0  = Please respond to "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>c   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:o  % Subject:    Re: Cluster Info from DCL3     Jack Trachtman wrote:> > H > How can I script DCL to show me which other nodes in a cluster are up? Thx   E Here's a freebie for the group: I call it simply SHCLU.COM (watch forr wraps):    $ say := WRITE SYS$OUTPUTnC $ IF F$GETSYI("CLUSTER_MEMBER") .EQS. "FALSE" THEN GOTO NOT_CLUSTERc& $ ftime  = f$getsyi( "cluster_ftime" ) $!6 $! added for when date is " 8-FEB" instead of "18-FEB"< $ if f$extract(0,1,ftime) .eqs. " " then ftime = ftime - " " $!' $ fsysid = f$getsyi( "cluster_fsysid" )i& $ nodes  = f$getsyi( "cluster_nodes" )& $ votes  = f$getsyi( "cluster_votes" )' $ quorum = f$getsyi( "cluster_quorum" )m' $ FDAY  = F$CVTIME( FTIME,, "WEEKDAY" ) ! $ FDATE = F$ELEM( 0, " ", FTIME )s! $ FTIME = F$ELEM( 1, " ", FTIME )  $ SAY ""H $ SAY F$FAO( " OpenVMS Cluster founded on !AS, !AS at !AS", FDAY, FDATE, FTIME )eC $ SAY F$FAO( " by System Id !AS; Membership: !UL, Total Votes: !UL,  Quorum: !UL" , -s6         F$EXTR( 4, 8, FSYSID ), nodes, votes, quorum ) $ SAY "" $ CONTEXT = "" $START:t $ id = F$CSID (CONTEXT)A $ IF id .EQS. "" THEN EXIT& $ nodename = F$GETSYI ("NODENAME",,id)% $ hdwe_name = F$GETSYI("HW_NAME",,id)p $ gosub mk_arch_name) $ soft_type = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWTYPE",,id)f $!+ $!$ soft_vers = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWVERS",,id) 8 $ soft_vers = F$EDIT(F$GETSYI("VERSION",,id),"COLLAPSE") $!+ $ syst_idnt = F$GETSYI("NODE_SYSTEMID",,id)e $ gosub op_node_info $ GOTO START
 $NOT_CLUSTER:v" $ nodename = F$GETSYI ("NODENAME")! $ hdwe_name = F$GETSYI("HW_NAME")d $ gosub mk_arch_name% $ soft_type = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWTYPE")e $!+ $!$ soft_vers = F$GETSYI("NODE_SWVERS",,id)r8 $ soft_vers = F$EDIT(F$GETSYI("VERSION",,id),"COLLAPSE") $! $ syst_idnt := $ SAY ""# $ SAY " Not a member of a cluster."b $ SAY "" $ gosub op_node_info $ EXIT $! $mk_arch_name:+ $ arch_name = f$elem( 0, " ", hdwe_name ) - ?         - "Server" - "server" - "Station" - "station" - "Micro"u $ return $! $op_node_info:2 $ say f$fao( "!8AS !AS !AS - !AS !AS !AS (!AS)", -7         nodename, F$EXTR( 4, 8, syst_idnt ), "''id'", -s4         soft_type, arch_name, soft_vers, hdwe_name ) $ return     -- David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Feb 03 11:35:23 -0800/ From: "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>TJ Subject: Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS4 Message-ID: <1661.172T1189T6954502@kltpzyxm.invalid>  7 In article <e39h4vg8cjpnpcdkdavlnaofdufrf0giqg@4ax.com>-6 Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca (Brian Inglis) writes:  ? >Can't even remember who the guy was now, but IIRC, our manager:> >told the FS manager he did not ever want that guy on our site( >again, so probably never saw him again.  A The one CE I saw who earned that honour did so when he was having F trouble doing write tests, so he turned off the write protect switch -: on a drive that still had our payroll master pack mounted.  ? The only head crash I personally saw occurred as I was preppingo< a brand-new pack.  The drive in question had a noisy spindle= bearing, so the sound of oxide being munched was masked until B halfway through the prep, by which time it had gotten suspiciously@ loud.  I shut down the drive and checked it out - there was bare@ aluminum showing in spots.  (And no, I didn't move it to another> drive - I was smart enough to immediately quarantine both packB and drive, and everyone else was smart enough not to override me.)  @ The fun part came when the CEs (both Univac and CDC) arrived and> started pointing fingers at each other.  Univac wanted to deny> responsibility because we were using CDC packs in their drivesC (which would run forever if they mounted the first time), and wouldnC periodically issue dire warnings to any shop which dared to use CDC C packs.  But the supply of their own branded packs was so short that  most shops had no choice.m   --, /~\  cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)= \ /  I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way.I@  X   Top-posted messages will probably be ignored.  See RFC1855.F / \  HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored.  Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:56:09 +0100u* From: Morten Reistad <mrr@reistad.priv.no>J Subject: Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS/ Message-ID: <972d2b.06v.ln@via.reistad.priv.no>l  N According to Bart Z. Lederman <lederman@encompasserve.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.org>:h >In article <b29obk$jhq$1@shell.monmouth.com>, pechter@shell.monmouth.com (Bill/Carolyn Pechter) writes: >-G >>They were refurbing the air conditioning and painting again (one timetF >>they painted the ceiling by standing on the spinning RP06 drive tops@ >>(which probably would've caused loss of limbs if the glass had
 >>broken...).  > ? >I ran into something like that at my first job.  The PDP-11/70a [snip]  D The story of the FE that had a bad drive to power down on one of theF (then) legacy systems at my PPOE (ca 1987), looked around and saw theyD big "powerdown" switch on the wall, with "emergency" written next to@ "powerdown" , and a similar button next to it with "Manual halonF release". Only the Powerdown bit registered in this brain, and he wentD to push it. Fortunatly the then DP manager saw the action unfold andD quantum leaped from across the room to prevent him. Almost too late,E FE had already pushed the button IN.  It did the power shutdown as itdF was released. The DP MGR managed to put a hand on top of the FE's hand@ to stop the release, and proceeded to tell what would physicallyB happen to the FE if this button was released before it was okayed.  B This happened at some minutes to two o'clock in the afternoon, andD the place did an orderly "rapid-maintenence" shutdown after businessA was closed at 16:00; this shutdown only took around 2 1/2 hours; s including incremental backups.  A The poor guy had to stand there with the finger in the dyke untileA around 18:30, or for almost five hours. I think that was a lesson. that stuck.    -- mrr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:02:46 -0500e From: Beach Runner@nospam.comeY Subject: Re: Sysgen and UAF memory limit recommendations for Oracle on small machine (256-& Message-ID: <3E497305.F445DD19@iu.net>  Y 256 mb  is absurdly low memory for a server.   In any case, without any further analysis,a+ chances are you ran out of page file space.B  N And, when you're comparing it to a PC, how many PCs stay up for months on end?   Beach Runner..   Bill McLaughlin wrote:   > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in message news:<BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660D5D@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>...M	 > > Bill,i > >cK > > As a fyi, I would suggest upgrading to VMS V7.3-1 as I suspect you will,7 > > find the overall performance much better than V7.3.p >eG > When I can get a later CD I'll do that. The 7.3 was the latest that IB > could dig up right now.. >. > > L > > Having stated that 256MB is not a lot of memory for a server these days. > >o > >nK > > Heck, most desktop PC's require 256MB to run latest Windows XP software-3 > > with a number of standard desktop applications.  > G > True, but thanks to Digital's usurious pricing for things like memory E > (5-10x going market rate), upgrading is not an option. This machineiF > started with 128MB and I paid $300 for used memory to get it to 256.D > And, the $300 that I paid was a little more than 1/2 of the normal% > price for used memory for this box.e >g > > E > > However, Oracle 9.2.0.2 (9i R2) for OpenVMS is also available forsE > > download off the standard Oracle download OTN site and from a fewnF > > reports, is much better than the original 9I release that came outH > > (9.0.1.x) awhile ago (on all platforms). Oracle 9.2.0.2 is certified  > > with OpenVMS V7.3-1 as well. > >  >d> > Actually, 9.2.0.2 is the version I am working on installing. > K > > There are also some very recent articles in Oracle's Metalink (databaset@ > > of known issues and problems and user forums) online supportJ > > environment. A number of these outline recommended process quota's for > > Oracle 9i R@ on OpenVMS. > >-K > > In the troubleshooting side, there are a number of options available tocL > > monitor process quota's in real time to see what quota is being used up.H > > One is Availability Manager (free download off OpenVMS site) and theF > > others include freeware process monitoring dcl procedures that are > > around.r > >r >nD > Yeah, maybe I should take a look at that. I actually considered itC > before but figured the last thing I needed to do was take up mored > memory. I'll check it out. >n > >m > >  > > Regards  > >  > > Kerry Main > > Senior Consultant   > > Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.% > > Consulting & Integration Servicest > > Voice: 613-592-4660  > > Fax   : 613-591-4477  > > Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom1 > >     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s) # > > OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMs > >  >dF > As always, thanks for your help. I definitely appreciate this forum. >h > Bill >c > >a > > -----Original Message-----7 > > From: Bill McLaughlin [mailto:mcbill20@hotmail.com] # > > Sent: February 10, 2003 1:46 PMs > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComnL > > Subject: Sysgen and UAF memory limit recommendations for Oracle on small > > machine (256MB)a > >a > >rJ > > Is anyone out there running Oracle 9i on an Alpha with only 256MB? TheJ > > release notes state that this is the absolute minimum for a machine toD > > run 9i. Now that I have Java updated and the appropriate patchesK > > installed, the Java installation procedure runs OK. However, it gets totJ > > about 80% and then hangs the machine (after about 5 hours). The secondL > > time I was able to catch it before the point of no return and discoveredK > > the three Oracle install processes were in RWMPB state. I quickly added L > > a new paging file and was able to keep the system from hanging. However,C > > the Oracle installation immediately died with no error message.  > >sF > > I have been trying to adjust the working set parameters and sysgemI > > parameters but this is very time consuming as the failures occur fivei( > > hours or more into the installation. > >xH > > If anyone out there has successfully installed 9i on a small machineF > > like this, I'd appreciate hearing how you did it (page file quota, > > wsmax, etc.) > >sI > > The machine has two paging files of approximately 500,000 blocks eachu > > and is running VMS 7.3.v > >e > > Thanks.e > > Bill McLaughlinn   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:56:27 GMT## From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Re: The importance of ISV'sK Message-ID: <vgt2a.654834$F2h1.273348@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>t  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageF news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9C82@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcor p.net... John,#  D >>> I appreciate the offer Fred, but there's really nothing that can beF done. The tool is a widely used enterprise-class reporting tool from a company on the west coast.<<<-  E As Fred mentioned, this may be 100% correct, but I would suggest that C escalating and/or identifying the opportunity to Sue will ensure it  gets0 some visibility as to lost opportunities for HP.  B Also, unknown to you, perhaps there have been other cases where anA opportunity for this specific product was reported? More examples1 would0@ help build the business case for making it available on OpenVMS.  D Just letting it go will ensure the opportunity gets zero visibility.   Regardsd  
 Kerry Main    E Well the ISV seems not to want to consider a Tru64 port, and, really,$D who can blame them. Tru64 is dead...it's just laying on the OR tableE with the life support machine keeping it alive until the recipient is  prep'd.H  C And so far, Linux doesn't seem to be an option yet...but even if ittD were Alpha wouldn't appear to be high on their priority list as it's" dead too, at least in their minds.  ) As to who the ISV is .....www.actuate.comn  F Seems they recently won a big deal with Sabre to use their products to0 send e-tickets and other reports electronically.  7 Also seems that their attitude is why screw around with F Alpha/Tru64/VMS when there's lots of other business on other platformsE and virtually none on Alpha/Tru64/VMS. Oh, and by the way, they don'tfE seem to think to highly of HP-UX either, even though they support it.wC They seem to think it's a bit of a performance pig when it comes toe their product.  > So we seem to come full circle once again to the marketing andF advertising question and selling to *new* customers to entice ISV's toE bring applications to VMS to start the 'what came first - the chickeni$ or the egg?' snowball rolling again.  D You want to approach them? Go ahead. I have to work with them and myC customer and retain my business credibility, so leave me out of thew discussions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:46:50 -0600p* From: "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@core.com>$ Subject: Re: The importance of ISV's/ Message-ID: <v4l247t0ihp38a@corp.supernews.com>t  K I got a reply from the VMS marketing mgr on this issue and promised to postR it.  Consider this the post.  L He asked to have the info sent to him and he'd have his ISV person look into
 it.  John?   -- Dave...-  G It is noble to teach oneself, but still nobler to teach others-and lessw trouble. -----Mark Twainu  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE news:vgt2a.654834$F2h1.273348@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  >t4 > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageH > news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9C82@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcor
 > p.net... > John,  > F > >>> I appreciate the offer Fred, but there's really nothing that can > beH > done. The tool is a widely used enterprise-class reporting tool from a > company on the west coast.<<<l > G > As Fred mentioned, this may be 100% correct, but I would suggest thatcE > escalating and/or identifying the opportunity to Sue will ensure itn > gets2 > some visibility as to lost opportunities for HP. >tD > Also, unknown to you, perhaps there have been other cases where anC > opportunity for this specific product was reported? More examples  > wouldvB > help build the business case for making it available on OpenVMS. >>F > Just letting it go will ensure the opportunity gets zero visibility. >>	 > Regardso >  > Kerry Main >> >>G > Well the ISV seems not to want to consider a Tru64 port, and, really,>F > who can blame them. Tru64 is dead...it's just laying on the OR tableG > with the life support machine keeping it alive until the recipient ise	 > prep'd.  >dE > And so far, Linux doesn't seem to be an option yet...but even if itsF > were Alpha wouldn't appear to be high on their priority list as it's$ > dead too, at least in their minds. >d+ > As to who the ISV is .....www.actuate.comj >>H > Seems they recently won a big deal with Sabre to use their products to2 > send e-tickets and other reports electronically. >.9 > Also seems that their attitude is why screw around with>H > Alpha/Tru64/VMS when there's lots of other business on other platformsG > and virtually none on Alpha/Tru64/VMS. Oh, and by the way, they don't G > seem to think to highly of HP-UX either, even though they support it. E > They seem to think it's a bit of a performance pig when it comes to  > their product. >3@ > So we seem to come full circle once again to the marketing andH > advertising question and selling to *new* customers to entice ISV's toG > bring applications to VMS to start the 'what came first - the chickenr& > or the egg?' snowball rolling again. >iF > You want to approach them? Go ahead. I have to work with them and myE > customer and retain my business credibility, so leave me out of the  > discussions. >r >H   ------------------------------   Date: 12 FEB 2003 17:09:10 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)( Subject: Re: The importance of marketing6 Message-ID: <12FEB03.17091098@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  ; In a previous article, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:a  D ->Forgot to mention that Sun had a double-page ad (full pages in theG ->middle of the business section) for their new servers in my newspaperH ->local yesterday.  I Sun also managed to get a section in the February 10, 2003 edition of thecF Edupage newsletter  (http://www.educause.edu/pub/edupage/edupage.html) titled:F    SUN DEBUTS NEW BUSINESS PRODUCTS  J Which were highlights from: http://www.idg.net/ic_1148736_9705_1-5065.html  C I complained to the editor that this excerpt had a highly offensiveFA commercial odor and no education related content. They responded:t  G    "The sole criteria is whether a story might interest some segment ofo    the Edupage readership"  F You have to admit, Sun does an excellent job leveraging all avenues of	 exposure.u   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison58 --                 karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:29:14 -0000n* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>% Subject: Re: UCX XDM, Linux vncservera+ Message-ID: <b2d7lu$jk2@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>e  b "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@PROBE.mitre.org> wrote in message news:b2bnhc$dl0$1@newslocal.mitre.org...  J > It looks like the weak link here is the VMS XDM server, but according to4 > everything I can see on the VMS end, it's enabled.  Y Even when enabled, it's set to answer no queries by default. You need to edit XACCESS.TXTtW http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6526/6526pro_contents_004.html#toc_chapter_19n   ------------------------------   Date: 12 FEB 2003 16:29:57 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: updating BIND?t6 Message-ID: <12FEB03.16295711@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  / In a previous article, Dan <dan@vrx.net> wrote:F  6 ->is there a way to get that (TCPIP V5.3) for free? :)  B If it's a "hobbiest system" then yes - you can obtain the hobbiest= license for free (which includes TCPIP a.k.a UCX) then borrowe< the media from someone else. Or purchase the media yourself. I think it's around $30 (us).u   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonw8 --                 karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:00:46 -0500t' From: "Larry" <LarryFuller@sprynet.com> % Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now availablet, Message-ID: <3e4a5482$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  6 The next screensaver is available now! Check it out at. www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25th/index.html   Larrye  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message # news:3E439527.333B5DF6@127.0.0.1...y > Sue Skonetski wrote: > >i >o7 > Thanks to my friendly ambassador I have one of these.? >  > I installed the screensaver. > I > White, I ask you, then only screensaver you need shades to view. I comes( > away from my desk with snow blindness! > 1 > Fortunately, I have my ray-bans in my pocket...2 >e? > I'm not being ungrateful, just a little feedback for the nextG > screensaver. #-) > --A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencese > nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:59:46 GMTJ" From: Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca>3 Subject: What kind of connector does KZPBA-CC have?s9 Message-ID: <Xns93206FDB55144falkarcabca@205.233.108.180>.  G I am trying to add components to my VMS systems, but find HP's website oK extremely frustrating.  I have, after many hours, determined that I need a "J KZPBA-CB PCI SCSI adapter.  However I find no description of this product J beyond compatibility info (which _is_ important, of course).  I assume it G has a bulkhead connecter, either VHDCI or 80-pin HD.  Does anyone here s know which?n   --  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Roada1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada3 http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.086 ************************