0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 13 Feb 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 87      Contents: Re: Cluster Info from DCL * Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS? CSwing & TAR on OpenVMS v7.3-1? # Re: CSwing & TAR on OpenVMS v7.3-1?  Re: DFO 2.7 and scripts G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages 2 Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily3 Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp 7 Re: Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp 7 Re: Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp P hp OpenVMS business solutions 2002 - release 2.0 CD won't install Flash 5 Plugin Re: HSZ50 Battery Qs$ Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...C Re: Inspecting VMS SMTP email contents - ie, Content filter gateway  Java & OSU Web Server on VMS= Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available 6 Pathworks Advanced Server and OpenVMS upgrade sequence: Re: Pathworks Advanced Server and OpenVMS upgrade sequence: Re: Pathworks Advanced Server and OpenVMS upgrade sequence) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ; Re: Poor disk i/o performance on DS10L (scsi) OpenVMS 7.3-1 ! Print using Different Input Trays % Re: Print using Different Input Trays  Red Hat gets DII-COE status 3 Re: Support for Gigabit Ethernet Clusters on Marvel  Re: The importance of ISV's  Re: The importance of ISV's  Re: The importance of marketing  Re: The importance of marketing  Re: The importance of marketing  Re: updating BIND? Re: updating BIND? Re: VT100 as VAXstation console . Re: What kind of connector does KZPBA-CC have?. Re: What kind of connector does KZPBA-CC have? Re: Window Manager Joy  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:57:30 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: Cluster Info from DCL' Message-ID: <3E4B099A.ACF31196@fsi.net>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  >  > David, > H > I tried this and had to add a line to get the leading space out of the6 > date-time string for the first nine days of a month.  H Actually, I screwed up and posted an old version. I don't have a clusterF at home, so I don't have my current fixes here. I'll send the good one6 to myself from work and post it here over the weekend.  G I didn't use the VERSION keyword because it's not among those listed as H working for nodes other than the local node. I'll check that out at work when I can.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:19:32 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> 3 Subject: Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS? ' Message-ID: <3E4ABA64.BEE53AF2@vcu.edu>   C Go with Belkin... I've used their cable for years, and going by the 8 workmanship, and some of the junk i've bought from 'em..  D your mileage may and probably will vary, and your commputer may hate	 me... ;-)    I hope not!!  
 Qua'Pla!!!   Jim    Shane Smith wrote: > B > Having wrestled with it for a chunk of the day, I've just had toI > conclude that my DE205 network card is either dead or not recognised by I > my Alpha Server 1000A. It's an EISA, and I now hate EISA with a passion H > you can only dream of. The ECU keeps telling me it's installed the ^#$H > thing, then it's missing when the console goes looking for it at boot.2 > I'm walking away before I put a boot through it. > I > Can anyone recommend an over-the-counter PCI network card I have a good F > chance of finding in Fry's tonight that will work under VMS 7.3-1 in= > this box? A D-Link maybe, a Linksys or something like that?  >  > Shane  > @ >  #####   -----------------------------------------------------A > #-O-O-# | Arthur: "It's times like this I wish I'd listened   | A > #  L  # | to what my Mother used to say." Ford: Why, what did | A >  #===#  | she say?" Arthur: "I don't know, I didn't listen."  | @ >   ###    -----------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:05:56 GMT $ From: Rick Dyson <fulco03@chello.nl>( Subject: CSwing & TAR on OpenVMS v7.3-1?) Message-ID: <3E4A9B14.EDB50C5A@chello.nl>   H Has anyone yet gotten these to working successfully on an OpenVMS v7.3-1K (Alpha) system?  Especially CSwing's "search" and "purge" functions!  Those F are the two I know don't work.  I've not tested everything for fear of corrupting files. :)  E The last reference I can find in this group was Hoffman saying it was N being looked at by someone (I assumed within the OpenVMS group) last November.  ; Anyone know of any workarounds or updated source code kits?   G I have seen reports that TAR just loops and I can confirm that.  I have L not worked on TAR at all.  I just use pre-v7.3-1 machines and move the files1 around afterwards.  Clusmy, but workable for now.    Thanks Rick   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:40:29 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> , Subject: Re: CSwing & TAR on OpenVMS v7.3-1?< Message-ID: <NsE2a.7190$jR3.3641275@news1.news.adelphia.net>   Rick Dyson wrote: J > Has anyone yet gotten these to working successfully on an OpenVMS v7.3-1M > (Alpha) system?  Especially CSwing's "search" and "purge" functions!  Those H > are the two I know don't work.  I've not tested everything for fear of > corrupting files. :) > G > The last reference I can find in this group was Hoffman saying it was P > being looked at by someone (I assumed within the OpenVMS group) last November. > = > Anyone know of any workarounds or updated source code kits?   H There was a posting a bit back of a source code change that made one of I the visible bugs dissapear.  I have a local copy that I have fixed a few  C more latent bugs in it, but I have not had time to do much with it.   I Note, for anyone doing maintenance on CSWING, you want channels to be an  F unsigned short.  The SYS$ASSIGN call only fills in the lower 16 bits, I leaving the upper 16 bits unitialized.  If you pass that to SYS$QIOW, it  1 sometimes will work, and sometimes will not work.   G Once you spend the time trying to find that bug, you remember it.  You  I see when you run in debug, the debugger clears the stack, so the program     always works.   B I have also been trying to fix the sections of the code that make ' assumptions that are not true on ODS-5.   G If there is someone that wants to be the new maintainer, speak up, and  ) everyone can forward their fixes to them.   I > I have seen reports that TAR just loops and I can confirm that.  I have N > not worked on TAR at all.  I just use pre-v7.3-1 machines and move the files3 > around afterwards.  Clusmy, but workable for now.   E I pulled a VMSTAR off of the web somewhere, probably one of Hunter's  G archives that knows ODS-5, and I have had no problems de-taring files.  , I have not tried creating a tarball with it.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:56:44 GMT $ From: Rick Dyson <fulco03@chello.nl>  Subject: Re: DFO 2.7 and scripts) Message-ID: <3E4A98EC.A349FF8E@chello.nl>    Phil Martyn wrote: > E > Anybody have any experience with DFO 2.7 and scripts. (3-node Alpha E > cluster running OpenVMS 7.3 + all patches)I've just upgraded a test H > system from DFO 2.6 and I now find that any scripts using predecessorsF > won't run. The DFO scheduler process is running happily, the scripts@ > appear fine. And scripts with a specific run date/time run OK.F > However, once the 'main' script completes the successor doesn't kickF > in. (A manual start of the successor script executes OK). Any clues.G > BTW - I've logged a call with HP/Compaq but nothing from them either, * > just yet. Any clues...Thanks in advance.  K I don't use any pre or post commands in my DFO scripts.  Just Notifications M which have apparently stopped working with v2.7.  I just noticed it yesterday # and have confirmed it this morning.   F I have noticed (OpenVMS v7.2-1 and DFO v2.7) that the VMS MAIL messageH does not get sent from a job until another one is started.  Thus, when IE start one script for a single disk it runs, completes, leaves the log L file and the OpCom message, but does not send the VMS MAIL until another DFO job is started.   G Note, I ran into a similar VMS MAIL problem on a VMS v7.3-1 system with L ABS v3.2A.  If the notification used VMS MAIL, at the end of the job thread,K it halted and never continued. This persisted until I got told by a support G staff to remove all the notifications in the ABS SaveSet configs.  They J claimed it was a Callable Mail interface problem.  Maybe that is true here; too?  I don't use much that exercises that, so I can't say.   K The two are probably not related, but it is odd that they have occurred for K me at about the same time on completely different systems and VMS versions. I The VMS v7.2-1 system is pretty mature (actually out-of-date!), and fully I patched so I would be suprised if it has gone this long with a bug in the  Callable VMS Mail interface!   Regards, rick   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 15:20:10 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages3 Message-ID: <h5rhhorBkqV6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <120220031541374398%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:  G >> Sure it does -- it means Paul Anderson could write a PDF symbiont to % >> print PDF files from VMS systems !  > E > The closeness of PostScript and PDF doesn't make it close enough to D > print.  It's more than just a wrapper, as, for example, PostScriptF > files are accessed sequentially and PDF files are accessed at random > points in the file.     , If it were trivial, it would be done now :-)  H > And adding a PDF-to-PostScript translator in DCPS is on our unofficialI > wish list.  If enough people want it, we could justify getting it done.   L And I suppose by "enough people" you mean more than just Brian and Larry :-(   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:21:56 -0500 * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages5 Message-ID: <120220031621569540%paul.anderson@hp.com>   C In article <h5rhhorBkqV6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen  <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  E > In article <120220031541374398%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson   > <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: > J > > And adding a PDF-to-PostScript translator in DCPS is on our unofficialK > > wish list.  If enough people want it, we could justify getting it done.  > N > And I suppose by "enough people" you mean more than just Brian and Larry :-(  % Sometimes Brian and Larry are enough.    ;-)    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:03:27 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages6 Message-ID: <00A1B627.FA693547@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  C In article <120220031541374398%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson  <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:   > D >The closeness of PostScript and PDF doesn't make it close enough toC >print.  It's more than just a wrapper, as, for example, PostScript E >files are accessed sequentially and PDF files are accessed at random  >points in the file. > G >And adding a PDF-to-PostScript translator in DCPS is on our unofficial H >wish list.  If enough people want it, we could justify getting it done.  H I sure want it.  It's pretty fripping annoying to have to download PDFs # to a PC just to print 'em decently.    -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:05:37 -0800 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages, Message-ID: <3E4A8CF1.2ACAC464@Mvb.Saic.Com>   Paul Anderson wrote: > E > In article <h5rhhorBkqV6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen   > <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: > G > > In article <120220031541374398%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson " > > <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: > > L > > > And adding a PDF-to-PostScript translator in DCPS is on our unofficialM > > > wish list.  If enough people want it, we could justify getting it done.  > > P > > And I suppose by "enough people" you mean more than just Brian and Larry :-( > ' > Sometimes Brian and Larry are enough.  >  > ;-)   G Permit me to add my vote for a PDF-to-PostScript translator in DCPS.  I D currently use a utility called pdftops (which, I believe, is part ofC xpdf package) to convert PDF files to PS before printing them using A DCPS.  However, there are limitations to this since some printing E options must be specified when using the utility (notably DUPLEX) and H others can be specified at print time.  Determining which is which tends to consume paper 8-)  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:16:53 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages' Message-ID: <3E4B0015.FEAFDB15@fsi.net>    Paul Anderson wrote: > [snip]H > And adding a PDF-to-PostScript translator in DCPS is on our unofficialI > wish list.  If enough people want it, we could justify getting it done.   F Put it this way: Since .PS is no longer available, you can assume thatF EVERYone wants/needs it who previously used the .PS's to produce their
 own hardcopy.   H VMS life holds no guarantees, except that VMS will die if everyone keeps trying to "play it safe".   F The entrepreneurial spirit may hold some hope for VMS, if enough folks can be convinced to embrace it.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2003 23:51 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages- Message-ID: <12FEB200323513139@gerg.tamu.edu>   . Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes...; }In article <11FEB200320341579@gerg.tamu.edu>, Carl Perkins  }<carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote: } B }> A more accurate replacemwnet would probably be something in theF }> LaserJet 2500 line, except that it would end up faster and probablyB }> higher resoluition and a lot less expensive. But you might haveG }> trouble using it from VMS - I don't know if they cooperate with DCPS ? }> or not (odds are that it is "not", until DCPS adds support).  } A }Does "they" refer to the Imaging and Printing Group in Boise who E }produces most of HP's printers?  If so, "they" cooperate with us and ! }can even spell OpenVMS and DCPS.  }Paul   F I meant "they" as in "the printer". If you plug it into the VMS systemG (or have a version with a network card), can you print to it with DCPS?   E As an example of not cooperating, try an HP 8500 DN. We have one that G doesn't work at all with DCPS - the VMS system sends the data via DCPS, H the printer clearly gets data and then goes into the "processing" state,H twiddling it's virtual thumbs for a minute or two, and then goes back to9 the "ready" state. Nothing ever comes out of the printer.   K Some printers work with the unrecognized printer stuff in DCPS, some don't.   E So either the printer is a supported type, in which case DCPS and the F printer cooperate and print stuff, or it isn't a supported type and itA may or may not cooperate with DCPS to actually get stuff printed.    --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 21:19:00 -0800( From: root@zworg.com (Amarendra GODBOLE); Subject: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily = Message-ID: <89fe5fbc.0302122119.5952aa37@posting.google.com>    Folks,  C How do I grant privileges to non-privileged users temporarily ? The C basic question is, I need user foo (non-privileged user) to do some ; database updates. For that I have to elevate his privileges D temporarily, and give him CMKRNL as well as BYPASS privileges. After? doing this operation, his old privileges will be restored back.   F My solution (after reading the Hack-VMS-FAQ, and some other stuff) is:? 1. Install an image (say GRANTPRIV.EXE), with CMKRNL and BYPASS  privileges. + 2. GRANTPRIV.EXE basically does two things: %    a. Grants the required privileges. &    b. Does the database manipulations.A 3. Now as a normal user foo, I'll call GRANTPRIV.EXE from my user + program, which will then do the job for me.   D Someone tells me that, a `sharable image' does the same thing. I wasF unable to find more info on sharable image. Can someone point me to it ?   2 I came across a package called `Cerberus' on decusD (http://www.decus.org/libcatalog/document_html/v00118_1.html), whichE does something similar to this. But the code given there is (I guess) F Fortran, and I am unable to comprehend it. It will be great if someoneD points me to some C code that does something similar to what I want,
 example code.    Thanks in advance.   --amarendra    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 16:42:48 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) < Subject: Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0302121642.4d3c4195@posting.google.com>   F Previously known as the OpenVMS Symposium will be the week of November
 10th 2003.  F We do not have an agenda yet but I wanted to give you the dates.  Some of the changes.   C This one will be four days Tues-Friday, we had feedback that 3 days  was not long enough. We will be doing more hands on. ' It will be at the Sheraton in Nashua NH   @ This is all I know so far, we will update the web as we get more information.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2003 03:14:13 GMT- From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> @ Subject: Re: Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp> Message-ID: <Xns9320E2356D3CAkenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in news:3E4B0DBD.AFCB3DD7 	 @fsi.net:    > Sue Skonetski wrote: >>  I >> Previously known as the OpenVMS Symposium will be the week of November 
 >> 10th 2003.  > 8 > Happen to know if dates have been set for HP-ETS 2003? >   H I have heard rumors that it might be co-located with HP World in August  (2nd week) in Atlanta...   Ken Robinson   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:32:49 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> @ Subject: Re: Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp' Message-ID: <3E4B11E1.5B0E25AB@fsi.net>    Ken Robinson wrote:  > M > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in news:3E4B0DBD.AFCB3DD7  > @fsi.net:  >  > > Sue Skonetski wrote: > >>K > >> Previously known as the OpenVMS Symposium will be the week of November  > >> 10th 2003.  > > : > > Happen to know if dates have been set for HP-ETS 2003? > >  > I > I have heard rumors that it might be co-located with HP World in August  > (2nd week) in Atlanta...  F EEESSSHHH! Wow, that's a longer drive (from Chicago's western suburbs)H than I've tried to take on lately, especially solo, but no way I'm gonnaG think about flying until it becomes unavoidable - like a west-coast gig  or a quick turn-around.   ) ...but, it may work out - y'never know...   B Gotta get my sessions put together so I can submit them as soon as submissions open up...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:27:10 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.comY Subject: hp OpenVMS business solutions 2002 - release 2.0 CD won't install Flash 5 Plugin ? Message-ID: <OF59557093.6DC48269-ON85256CCB.006FF9DD@metso.com>    I have just been given this cd:   3 hp OpenVMS business solutions 2002 - release 2.0 CD - and on a W2K desktop with IE5.5 It won't run, 4 complaining that it needs to install Flash 5 Plugin,7 which is on the CD, but complains and will not install. 1 It does not recognize the vendor, then asks for a = non-existent directory, and that it cannot find netscape.exe.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 17:45:49 -0800  From: nmanser@progis.de (Manser) Subject: Re: HSZ50 Battery Qs = Message-ID: <2178d61f.0302121745.3402e4b5@posting.google.com>   t chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers) wrote in message news:<754a27c1.0302111218.2fa7c993@posting.google.com>...Z > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3E490818.F3421B2@127.0.0.1>... > > Chris Scheers wrote: > > > C > > > I just received a HSZ50 to play with and have some questions.  > > > I > > > The HSZ50 controller board includes a coin battery.  There was some B > > > discussion earlier that removing this battery is a Bad Idea. > > > G > > > However, this setup is about 5 years old, and that is putting the I > > > battery at a questionable age.  Can the battery be replaced safely? A > > > Is there any warning when the battery needs to be replaced?  > > >  > > J > > I agree with your thinking that swapping a lithium after about 5 yearsG > > is a good idea, on many (all?) they are soldered in, and some are 5 L > > year, some are 10 year life. You will lose the configuration data of theJ > > drives (that is what they back up), but in twin controller situations,K > > you've got it written to the other controller, right? Also you can save L > > the config to the drives, but beware the overhead on controller start up > > as it reads all the drives.  >  > 3 > The batteries (CR2032) on my HSZ50s are socketed.  > E > I'm not particularly worried about the configuration.  I can always  > recreate it. > E > My main concern is a previous discussion that implied that removing F > the battery could result in the loss of the serial number, rendering > the HSZ50 a paper weight:  > r > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3df3c689%240%242229%24e4fe514c%40dreader6.news.xs4all.nl > F > Instead of finding out the hard way, I would like to know whether or% > not I should be worried about this.  >  > Thanx!  E I made the painful experience some months ago, but i was obligated to 
 disconnectB the (CR2032 Lithium Battery because the HSZ50 had a bugcheck whileD performing selftests. i could not access the CLI. (i didn't that for joke)   E so for all people i strongly discourage to disconnect them, if you do  so0 your controller will be unusable  (see my posts)                          --------   But i have one question:  C what happens when that Battery goes flat ? and what i to do in that  situation ? ; about the secret way to get the serial number back, i still  interested.   
 Nazim Manser.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:11:06 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> - Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ... ' Message-ID: <3E4AFEBA.22B88569@fsi.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 2 > In article <01C2D1F8.203B5890@sulfer.icius.com>,0 >         Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: > > -----Original Message-----: > > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net] > >> > >>Z wrote: > >>> ' > >>> >IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...  > >>>  > >>> Has IBM ever been wrong? > >>B > >>Depends on your opinion of that "personal computer" thingie... > > J > > Come on, that quote about the world only needing five computers is oneL > > of the most famous in the industry. How wrong can you be? Also buying anL > > OS from Gates that he didn't own at the time. Or how about the PS2? OS2?L > > Anybody who's been in business for a while has been wrong sometimes. IBMJ > > just seem to be able to learn from their mistakes, unlike the chain of > > owners VMS has had.  > >  > ? > Sometimes what seems like a really bad decision for technical ( > reasons is made for business reasons.   F That's usually short-term thinking, however. A decision that looks badC from a business perspective is frequently excellent for business in  retrospect some years later.   > Does that constitute aA > mistake if it is made knowing fully what the underlying reasons   > and possible consequences are?  3 Rather depends on how it works out in the long run.   A For example, the many claims of OpenVMS-IA32 being a bad business E choice. In the short term, that was probably true back then. However, C had the right choice been made at the right time, we'd already have D OpenVMS-IA32, OpenVMS-VAX and OpenVMS-Alpha with OpenVMS-IA64 on theD horizon. We'd have a healthy, active OpenVMS market with penetrationH likely in excess of the 5 million mark, rather than the less than 10% of that we see today.  G ...but, the best decision for the short term was made (to kill Emerald) G and the long run has seen VMS shrivel to where it is now: a mere shadow C of its former self, virtually unsaleable except to those who remain F committed to their past investments in VAX, Alpha and OpenVMS, with noG competitive, ready-for-prime-time future platform yet available to keep $ OpenVMS alive past the EOL of Alpha.  G In other words, they chucked the paddles and now find themselves up the   creek and heading for the falls.   Did anyone bring a parachute?   ) ...besides the ivory tower types, I mean?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:36:11 -0500 0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>L Subject: Re: Inspecting VMS SMTP email contents - ie, Content filter gateway- Message-ID: <b2e7nl$f70h$1@news3.infoave.net>    Sol:  I    I have a crude email content filter gateway that you should be able to  modify to do this.  >    It's really very simple. Here's the gist of how it works...  I    - Stop the TCPIP$SMTP_nodename_01 SMTP que and always keep it stopped.   L    - Create a new TCPIP$APPROVED que with the exact same server que settings  L    - Incoming emails go into the TCPIP$SMTP_nodename_01 que and go "pending"  I    - Create a batch DCL command file that wakes up every 5 minutes, scans J the jobs in the pending que, and requeues them to the "tcpip$approved" queL if they pass your tests. There is no reason you couldn't modify the incomingJ file before it is released. Ques work on file id, not name and version, soL you will have to open the file for update and make your changes or overwrite the file completely.  I    My content filter looks for specific spam phrases and deletes the jobs H that it thinks are spam. Currently I have a couple of hundred phrases to search for. Argh!   L    I also reque some of the emails to a TCPIP$SPAM que if the content filterK isn't sure they are spam. Then I can manually review them before releasing. K This way I quarantine emails that contain attachments with executables, bat   files, screen savers, pifs, etc.  6    I'll post the code for TEC at my geocities web page( http://www.geocities.com/vmswiz/vms.html  K    Now, if anyone knows how to pass an external file with search phrases to E the VMS search utility, please let me know! SEARCH X.TXT @PHRASES.TXT L doesn't work. Defining sys$input doesn't seem to work either. My routine has8 59 separate "searches" with about 30 phrases per search.  J    It's a great waste of cpu cycles and i/o, but it catches 90% of all the spam for me.  A    You can also use a similar routine for Multinet's smtp queues.   >    Another technique I've used is that instead of stopping theK TCPIP$SMTP_nodename_01 que, set it to a job size maximum limit of 50 blocks J or so. Anything larger than the limit will go pending. Then, you only needF to parse and test the largest emails. It would be highly unusual for aK Microsoft attachment to be less than 25KB and skip past the content filter.       Hope this helps.   >                                                           Jeff    ( "Sol Gongola" <sol@adldata.com> wrote...  ? > ...I need to programmatically intercept email received by VMS @ > and inspect it before it gets POPped to its final recipient... >  > Thank you 
 > Sol Gongola    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:02:49 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> % Subject: Java & OSU Web Server on VMS / Message-ID: <3E4A9A59.7060406@ceris.purdue.edu>    Group,  H Can anyone tell me if the OSU Webserver is capable of running JAVA, and & is anyone running JAVA on this server?   Thanks,  Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:31:36 -0500 , From: Wayne Morrison <Wayne.Morrison@hp.com>F Subject: Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available& Message-ID: <3E4ACB48.DCE35A3E@hp.com>   Jakob Erber wrote: > N > > What features are you looking for in DCE and/or Kerberos?  The preliminary* > > Kerberos for OpenVMS documentation at: > >  > % > Thanks Wayne, for this information,  > N > one idea I have is, that non DCE appliacations could use kerberos (GSSAPI ?)F > to pass a security context to a DCE RPC Client (lets say via a CORBAM > communication), which then passes this context on to the DCE RPC Server and = > Security Server for DCE authentication (and authorization)? " > Could such a configuration work? >  > best regards >  > Jakob   L This is an interesting idea.  There is a lot of detail that would need to beK worked out to make this happen.  Depending on exactly what you're trying to O accomplish, it may or may not be feasible, but it would almost certainly not be J easy.  DCE was designed to do more than Kerberos in some areas (e.g., CellL Directory Service), and Kerberos has more functionality in others.  There isG certainly overlap, but the areas of difference are much larger than the 
 similarities.    	Wayne   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 12:53:24 -0800& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)? Subject: Pathworks Advanced Server and OpenVMS upgrade sequence = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0302121253.397ca65e@posting.google.com>   C We've got a new customer Alpha currently running OpenVMS V7.2-1 and B Pathworks A.S. V6.0c.  We need to bring it up to VMS V7.3-1 (TCPIPF V5.3, etc).  The Pathworks and VMS docs indicate we need to upgrade toF V6.1 Pathworks for use under VMS V7.3-1, and the one checklist I foundC said to upgrade Pathworks to V6.1 prior to upgrading VMS to V7.3-1, 2 but had no provisos about the current VMS version.  E The Pathworks 6.1 SPD and docs indicate support for VMS V6.2, V7.2-2, E V7.3, V7.3-1, but not V7.2-1.  Based on past experience with software E that 'requires' V7.2-2, I'm not too concerned, especially since we're E not actually going to do anything beyond basic testing with Pathworks A between upgrading it and upgrading VMS.  But I want to be certain D about the order.  If its just a matter of 'supported' (as opposed to! "won't install/work/loses data").   C Does the Pathworks V6.1 actually check versions and perhaps prevent B itself from installing on an unsupported VMS version (V7.2-1)?  IsA there any reason we would be better off upgrading VMS first, then  upgrading Pathworks afterwards?   F The timeframe available for upgrade will not allow an intermediate VMS; upgrade (to V7.2-2 or V7.3) prior to the Pathworks upgrade.   E Sorry for the basic questions but its been years since we had to deal2- with Pathworks and that was in the V5.1 days.    Rich Jordano CCS    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:58:56 GMT3$ From: Rick Dyson <fulco03@chello.nl>C Subject: Re: Pathworks Advanced Server and OpenVMS upgrade sequenced) Message-ID: <3E4AD1B0.BA9810C3@chello.nl>    Rich Jordan wrote: > E > We've got a new customer Alpha currently running OpenVMS V7.2-1 and D > Pathworks A.S. V6.0c.  We need to bring it up to VMS V7.3-1 (TCPIPH > V5.3, etc).  The Pathworks and VMS docs indicate we need to upgrade toH > V6.1 Pathworks for use under VMS V7.3-1, and the one checklist I foundE > said to upgrade Pathworks to V6.1 prior to upgrading VMS to V7.3-1,n4 > but had no provisos about the current VMS version. > G > The Pathworks 6.1 SPD and docs indicate support for VMS V6.2, V7.2-2,cG > V7.3, V7.3-1, but not V7.2-1.  Based on past experience with softwareSG > that 'requires' V7.2-2, I'm not too concerned, especially since we'reeG > not actually going to do anything beyond basic testing with PathworksVC > between upgrading it and upgrading VMS.  But I want to be certainSF > about the order.  If its just a matter of 'supported' (as opposed to# > "won't install/work/loses data").p > E > Does the Pathworks V6.1 actually check versions and perhaps preventeD > itself from installing on an unsupported VMS version (V7.2-1)?  IsC > there any reason we would be better off upgrading VMS first, theni! > upgrading Pathworks afterwards?V  O I just did this too.  I went from VMS v7.1 to v7.3-1 and also PW v5.0F to v6.1. K I had to do the PW ==> v6.1 first.  You have to be a PDC (I believe) to usenL the upgrade tool.  You can upgrade (or prep it) PW with their tool first.  IM would recommend that.  It is pretty good since I didn't know what I was doingr and it worked OK.h  N So I guess PW v6.1 is OK with OpenVMS v7.1. :)  I didn't use it at that stage,1 just upgraded it so I could then upgrade OpenVMS.o  M Check you licenses also!  I discovered after I upgraded that my existing onestL would no longer allow the PCs to access.  You need the "7.03" ones I believe# to allow access to v6.1 or above...i   Rick   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:30:20 GMT-! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz2C Subject: Re: Pathworks Advanced Server and OpenVMS upgrade sequenceu% Message-ID: <3e4adc08.178478168@news>g  F On 12 Feb 2003 12:53:24 -0800, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) wrote:  D >We've got a new customer Alpha currently running OpenVMS V7.2-1 andC >Pathworks A.S. V6.0c.  We need to bring it up to VMS V7.3-1 (TCPIP.G >V5.3, etc).  The Pathworks and VMS docs indicate we need to upgrade totG >V6.1 Pathworks for use under VMS V7.3-1, and the one checklist I foundeD >said to upgrade Pathworks to V6.1 prior to upgrading VMS to V7.3-1,3 >but had no provisos about the current VMS version.i >dF >The Pathworks 6.1 SPD and docs indicate support for VMS V6.2, V7.2-2,F >V7.3, V7.3-1, but not V7.2-1.  Based on past experience with softwareF >that 'requires' V7.2-2, I'm not too concerned, especially since we'reF >not actually going to do anything beyond basic testing with PathworksB >between upgrading it and upgrading VMS.  But I want to be certainE >about the order.  If its just a matter of 'supported' (as opposed to6" >"won't install/work/loses data"). >.D >Does the Pathworks V6.1 actually check versions and perhaps preventC >itself from installing on an unsupported VMS version (V7.2-1)?  IsaB >there any reason we would be better off upgrading VMS first, then  >upgrading Pathworks afterwards? >tG >The timeframe available for upgrade will not allow an intermediate VMS < >upgrade (to V7.2-2 or V7.3) prior to the Pathworks upgrade. >oF >Sorry for the basic questions but its been years since we had to deal. >with Pathworks and that was in the V5.1 days. >E >Rich Jordan >CCS Rich,s  E We're quite happily running Pathworks 6.1 on VAXes under 7.2. I don'tfB see there being an issue as regards 7.2-1 on the Alpha. We're also running TCPIP 5.3 ECO 1.0 So, I'd probably upgrade PW, TCPIP and then VMS.  0 As Rick mentioned, the PW licenses are critical.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:04:45 -0500lA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>-2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium. Message-ID: <3e4a9ace$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  / "GreyCloud" <cumulus@mist.com> wrote in messagew" news:3E4A9029.BB2A6BB4@mist.com... > John Vottero wrote:d > > > > > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message1 > > news:LgMvs0z22BLo@eisner.encompasserve.org... . > > > The Register (to give credit) points to: > > ><? > > > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/02/11/2398316s > > > C > > > where Terry Shannon has photographs of VMS booting on ItaniumiF > > > (with lots of extra debugging progress messages in the DIRECTORY& > > > image and the bootstrap itself). > >rF > > Geez, couldn't they find something other than Windows to use for a console? >s> > I was wondering... does anybody have a screenshot of OpenVMS > in a GUI mode??n  H Remote display is slated for later in the 1st half of the year, and fullG local graphics in the second half.  Lots of stuff has to happen betweens; getting to the $ on a serial console, and running graphics.v   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 14:38:25 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)k2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium3 Message-ID: <KPKoPWSawoiJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <3e4a98cd_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes:  N > Ah.  On the i2000, the consoles serial port runs at 115k, and someone forgotM > to add a command to change the baud in a "sticky" way.  VMS (to my chagrin)cM > doesn't let you specify this speed to allow a SET HOST/DTE.  So most peoplenJ > choose to use a PC (which of course, everyone has anyway) and a terminalL > emulator, rather than running the little hack we have that will change theL > speed to something more useable - like 9600.  Of course, the i2000 consoleK > also doesn't have flow control on it :(  But remember that this is an old    I feel your pain...k  L > Itanium 1 box based on the Intel reference design.  The management console/ > on the rx2600 for example, runs at 9600 baud.n  9 ...but when the time comes, it won't be my pain.  Thanks.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 14:39:17 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium3 Message-ID: <gNxUlewhqLUs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A1B62E.594503D5@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:ir > In article <3e4a98cd_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes: >>{...snip...}N >>Ah.  On the i2000, the consoles serial port runs at 115k, and someone forgotM >>to add a command to change the baud in a "sticky" way.  VMS (to my chagrin)mM >>doesn't let you specify this speed to allow a SET HOST/DTE.  So most peopleaJ >>choose to use a PC (which of course, everyone has anyway) and a terminal >  > Not everyone!   B I think he meant everyone who will have access to VMS on an i2000.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:05:04 +0000w- From: Alan Fay <alan.fay@veritas.spamdot.com> 2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium4 Message-ID: <b2ecu1$nrr$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  , I don't care what terminal its displayed on.  . The important thing is its displaying OpenVMS.  + Well done to the OpenVMS Engineering Group!<   Alan Fay   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:10:21 -0600e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium' Message-ID: <3E4B0C9D.34067672@fsi.net>a   JF Mezei wrote:r >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > , > > The Register (to give credit) points to: > > E > >         http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/02/11/2398316  > N > Horror ! The thing booted with a microsoft windows used as console. HOW DARE > YOU !s > M > And besides, how do we know the output wasn't faked ? It should have booteds- > from an original VT220 to be authentic. :-)g > N > Also, the directory command is incomplete since it does not show the current2 > directory prior to displaying the list of files. >  > A few comments:  > O > It should not be "OpenVMS (TM) Itanium Operating System".  Since Itanium is adM > the current brand name for the current generation of IA64, it should be VMS  > (IA64) on the message.  > Well, if you notice, the parameter file name is IA64VMSSYS.PAR  P > Does Windows boot with "Windows (Pentium 4)" ? It is consider Windows 80x86 or4 > whatever the generic name for the architecture is.  G Well, W/9x says "Starting Windows/95" or "Starting Windows/98", doesn'tn it?s   -- V David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:24:04 +0100v. From: labadie <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1>D Subject: Re: Poor disk i/o performance on DS10L (scsi) OpenVMS 7.3-1) Message-ID: <3E4A9F54.390077E1@127.0.0.1>a   Saku Setala wrote:   > Hello, > 5 > I have the feeling that the disk i/o is quite slow.e >a< > Now, how can I verify this? Are there any tools to measure; > the read/write performance, and any results where I coulde
 > compare to?u   Helloo   $ monitor disk/item=alle  G Check the queue length and the I/O, and check with how many I/O /secondbD your disk should be able to do, assuming the biggest part of the I/O under Vms is less than 16 K.+ On the freeware, you should find some toolsy2 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/ disk_monitor
 disk_block	 and checkp2 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/   regardsn   Grard   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 13:42:47 -0800# From: mawad@jfmoran.com (Mark Awad)-* Subject: Print using Different Input Trays= Message-ID: <a4240d1a.0302121342.127d7066@posting.google.com>l  	 Hello Alls  ? I believe you can print to different input paper trays on an HPr8 LaserJet 5si using the PRINT /PARAMETER=<stuff> command.  
 Any ideas?   Thanks l	 Mark Awadi2 Systems Engineer (UNIX/NT, and working on OpenVMS) mawad@jfmoran.comi   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 22:45:47 -0800# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) . Subject: Re: Print using Different Input Trays= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0302122245.73310bd4@posting.google.com>u  _ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E4B0E1A.4C164A7@fsi.net>...3 > Mark Awad wrote: > > 
 > > Hello Allu > > C > > I believe you can print to different input paper trays on an HP < > > LaserJet 5si using the PRINT /PARAMETER=<stuff> command. > . > If you're using DCPS, yes, that may be true. > J > Otherwise, you'll have to determine the appropriate escape sequence, setG > that up in a devctl module, match it up to a form, and handle it that. > way... > # > ...or use PRINT/SETUP=(module(s))t/ If you have DCPS then all is revealed by typingi0 $help print_parameter input_tray hewlett-packard" otherwise you will have to look at? http://www.hp.com/cposupport/printers/support_doc/bpl02705.htmla for relevant escape codesr> print/setup should really only be used for "one-off" printing B or testing modules before they are put in a device control library Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:08:05 GMTL# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>S$ Subject: Red Hat gets DII-COE statusJ Message-ID: <ptA2a.340030$pDv.212193@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  F http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&ncid=1208&e=4&u=/nf/20030212/bs _nf/20742&sid=95573658  > Red Hat's Advanced Server achieved certification running on an$ Intel-based IBM eServer xSeries 330.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 12:59:01 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)i< Subject: Re: Support for Gigabit Ethernet Clusters on Marvel= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302121259.6658adc4@posting.google.com>n  i "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<b2b19l$1b44vc$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>... @ > Does this mean LAN fastpath support too?  That would be great.  1 Fast_Path for LANs is presently slated for 7.3-2.=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:22:51 -0400a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: The importance of ISV's/ Message-ID: <3E4AAD16.FA2CC4E0@vl.videotron.ca>    John Smith wrote:9G > 1) Am I doing everything in my power, including end-runs, to overcome=B > any HP-internal obstacles (people and funding) to making VMS theB > highest profile and most profitable (in absolute dollars) of any > product line HP offers?n  M Then it becomes an issue of job security. During times where staff reductionseK are in progress, you don't want to anger Carly with some devious ways to do ! stuff she doesn't want you to do.q  K Now, if mark Gorham were close to retirement, perhaps he could then go on a:K marketing rampage, jumping over all bariers imposed by HP and make a lot of  noise about VMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:03:09 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i$ Subject: Re: The importance of ISV'sI Message-ID: <NoA2a.339994$pDv.67569@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>"  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagea) news:3E4AAD16.FA2CC4E0@vl.videotron.ca...m > John Smith wrote:f@ > > 1) Am I doing everything in my power, including end-runs, to overcomeD > > any HP-internal obstacles (people and funding) to making VMS theD > > highest profile and most profitable (in absolute dollars) of any > > product line HP offers?p >tD > Then it becomes an issue of job security. During times where staff
 reductionsB > are in progress, you don't want to anger Carly with some devious
 ways to do# > stuff she doesn't want you to do.- >-E > Now, if mark Gorham were close to retirement, perhaps he could thenD go on aaF > marketing rampage, jumping over all bariers imposed by HP and make a lot of > noise about VMS.    E When I used to trade/sell bonds professionally for a living, we had ar saying..."Go big or go home."P  ? We were on-call 24x7 with our decisions and making markets fromsF restaurants, bars, and bedrooms. Business never stopped for us. And ofB course we were always trying to get new customers, poach customersA from competitors, educate our customers, entertain our customers,eB retain existing clients, be present at important financial forums,E advertise and promote our special capabilities in Euromoney, WSJ, ande? lots of other publications, and develop better tools and betterc services for all our customers.   F For the most part I just see the 'suits' at HP "going home". If that'sE not what's happening, all I can say is that's what it looks like from-C the outside looking in, and I dare say that were that not the case,l( we'd all be hearing a lot more about it.  ? I'd even be satisfied if HP were relentless in their pursuit ofg@ mediocracy when it comes to marketing VMS - but they aren't even( making the effort to achieve mediocracy.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:19:00 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>p( Subject: Re: The importance of marketingH Message-ID: <E6x2a.34436$Qf1.16492@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  A "Carl Karcher" <karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu> wrote in message 0 news:12FEB03.17091098@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu...= > In a previous article, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:n > F > ->Forgot to mention that Sun had a double-page ad (full pages in the? > ->middle of the business section) for their new servers in myh	 newspapert > ->local yesterday. > D > Sun also managed to get a section in the February 10, 2003 edition of the > Edupage newsletter2 (http://www.educause.edu/pub/edupage/edupage.html)	 > titled:t >t" > SUN DEBUTS NEW BUSINESS PRODUCTS >o > Which were highlights from: . http://www.idg.net/ic_1148736_9705_1-5065.html > E > I complained to the editor that this excerpt had a highly offensive C > commercial odor and no education related content. They responded:  > F >    "The sole criteria is whether a story might interest some segment of >    the Edupage readership" >iE > You have to admit, Sun does an excellent job leveraging all avenues  of > exposure.n  ; And ChumHPaq does nothing, except to sell you ink and toneroA cartridges. But then again. that's where they think the return onrD investment is...or at least Walter Hewlett did...so far he's looking pretty good.     Of course there's F http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/server/story/0,10 801,77459,00.htmlt  D in which, "Speaking at a meeting with financial analysts this month,E Blackmore said that HP expects its AlphaServer business to lose aboutiF $200 million during the fiscal year that will end next October. But heC added that HP, which inherited the technology when it bought Compaq B Computer Corp., can't abandon the installed base of Alpha users by killing the chip right away."e  F Of course you will lose $200 million Peter. When you do zero to market" your products, what do you expect?    . "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" -- Henry II, 1170R   "Sure."t -- GQ Bob, 1992S  	 "Me too."s --Mikey, 1999-2002   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 12:28:08 -08000 From: philj@softwarepartners.com (Phil Jamieson)( Subject: Re: The importance of marketing= Message-ID: <bf9485d6.0302121228.3fd8946e@posting.google.com>    > H > Many people/customers will not be buying SAP, but they will be reading( > eWeek and other similar publications,   > Let's say a once-big DEC ISV wanted to market its flagship VMSF products again (yep, we're here, supporting our VMS products all these? years), to VMS people of the current generation...what ARE theye? reading nowadays (that's affordable for advertisers)?  Anybody?l   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:47:24 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>h( Subject: Re: The importance of marketingJ Message-ID: <0aA2a.339873$pDv.115206@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  = "Phil Jamieson" <philj@softwarepartners.com> wrote in messagee7 news:bf9485d6.0302121228.3fd8946e@posting.google.com...3 > >6B > > Many people/customers will not be buying SAP, but they will be reading ) > > eWeek and other similar publications,  >d@ > Let's say a once-big DEC ISV wanted to market its flagship VMSB > products again (yep, we're here, supporting our VMS products all thesecA > years), to VMS people of the current generation...what ARE theynA > reading nowadays (that's affordable for advertisers)?  Anybody?s  F No idea about cost of advertising, but among the stuff that arrives on2 my desk in hard copy and via e-mail newsletters...   Information Week eWeekr
 Datamation Wall Street & Technology Wall Street JournalH New York Times
 The Economist  Fortune  Forbes
 Business WeekX Business 2.0 Red Herringn BaselineF A great newsletter from Jeff Harrow, formerly at Compaq Corp. Research & Advanced Development  a slew of things from Ziff Davis SANS Institute Oracle & Sybase magazinesm Disaster Recovery JournalN= various stuff from the American Bankers Association and othere financial self-interest groups    D Newsletter sponsorship gets you in front of a lot of people, but youE have only a minimal number of text lines to create enough interesting-9 in getting them to click your supplied link. My guess for E you...Oracle/Sybase magazines and some other specialty magazines thatSE seem to target your software's niche. Let HP spend money on the other B big ticket media first (as if that's going to happen for VMS while= they waste money on spaceman ads and jetting Carly to Davos).u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:27:33 -0500l From: Dan <dan@vrx.net>  Subject: Re: updating BIND? 8 Message-ID: <4hbl4vsb2skhi6cqpb43mo6lh8qnc7hp9b@4ax.com>   license I have (hobbyist). just need the pak...   Dan.B On 12 FEB 2003 16:29:57 GMT, karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) wrote:   0 >In a previous article, Dan <dan@vrx.net> wrote: > 7 >->is there a way to get that (TCPIP V5.3) for free? :)  >nC >If it's a "hobbiest system" then yes - you can obtain the hobbiest > >license for free (which includes TCPIP a.k.a UCX) then borrow= >the media from someone else. Or purchase the media yourself.e >I think it's around $30 (us).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:53:23 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>w Subject: Re: updating BIND?-' Message-ID: <3E4B08A3.BCFDF910@fsi.net>,  
 Dan wrote: >  > license I have (hobbyist). > just need the pak...  H You'll find it in with the layered product PAKs. Look for product "UCX".   -- s David J. Dachtera. dba DJE SystemsC http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2003 13:11:05 -08000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran)( Subject: Re: VT100 as VAXstation console= Message-ID: <948f0720.0302121311.47914cfc@posting.google.com>   [ Warren Gibson <warren@gibson2.com> wrote in message news:<3E45B3CF.25230E6D@gibson2.com>...- > Hello, > J > I was a VMS user in the 80's & it was great.  Now I got a VAXstation VLCH > & VT100 for home.  After checking around, I got a H8575A adapter and aI > BC16E cable to connect the VT100 to serial port 0 (console port) on the2> > back.  Set S3 switch up.  Set VT100 to 9600 8 bit no parity. > I > When I fire up, I get no prompt on the VT100, no response to BREAK key, 
 > nothing.  E I've just tried VLC, S3 up, printer port <-> MMJ-MMJ cable <- H8575-AeB <-> VT340 DB25 and it works, so a VT100 should too. There's just a> chance the VT100 might need a "null modem" (pins 2&3 swapped).  E Have you checked that your VLC hasn't been mugged for its SIMMs? ThisoD used to happen a lot once people discovered that they're the same asF early PCs (as are DECServer 700s'). Nothing will happen on the consoleB unless you have at least 1 pair of SIMMs (installed closest to theA rear of the case). Open the case by pressing in the 2 lugs on the / left-hand side of the case seen from the front.d   Chriss   ------------------------------   Date: 12 FEB 2003 19:37:00 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)7 Subject: Re: What kind of connector does KZPBA-CC have?t6 Message-ID: <12FEB03.19370009@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  : In a previous article, Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> wrote:I ->I am trying to add components to my VMS systems, but find HP's website tM ->extremely frustrating.  I have, after many hours, determined that I need a aL ->KZPBA-CB PCI SCSI adapter.  However I find no description of this product L ->beyond compatibility info (which _is_ important, of course).  I assume it I ->has a bulkhead connecter, either VHDCI or 80-pin HD.  Does anyone here  
 ->know which?g  7 According to the manual it's a "68 pin HD68" connector.0  G The manual also has cable part numbers if that would help (need to knowt what the other end would be).o   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisone7 --                karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu  t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:49:52 -0500k! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>l7 Subject: Re: What kind of connector does KZPBA-CC have?rK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BC8@rlghncst964.usps.gov>n  F I am trying to add components to my VMS systems, but find HP's websiteJ extremely frustrating.  I have, after many hours, determined that I need aI KZPBA-CB PCI SCSI adapter.  However I find no description of this productiI beyond compatibility info (which _is_ important, of course).  I assume it-F has a bulkhead connecter, either VHDCI or 80-pin HD.  Does anyone here know which?d   --@ ----------------------------------------------------------------@   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca@ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canadat http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4]  http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   Alfred:   + This says it's a 68HD Female, Differential.   J http://h18000.www1.hp.com/emea/presalessupport/SCSIPorts.html#SCSIAdapters  / Information on KZPBA-CB also can be found here:h  L http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/as4100/as4100_%20%20-kzpba-cb. html  L Moral of the story:  Always keep the URLs when you're having to do detailed  web research for a project.S :^)    HTH:   ========================  William W. Webb- EMS Operations  OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS' 4924 Green Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2800h
 919.874.3043 e* <FirstInitialLastNameAtEMAILDotUSPSDotGOV>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:26:08 -0500i& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> Subject: Re: Window Manager Joy 8 Message-ID: <qebl4vsn6j2fmgmiuisfskp4sn9s1vuj8e@4ax.com>  A On 11 Feb 2003 15:10:24 -0800, csernica@ihwy.com (Chris Csernica)a wrote:  n >Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote in message news:<b2bb6p$5qo$1@bozon.softax.com.pl>... >rI >> Could you describe your problem more precisely? Our software works on i5 >> two-head AlphaStation with OpenVMS and works well.e >oG >The problem isn't with VMS as such, it's with the CDE. X seems to knoweF >about both screens, and it's possible to run software successfully onE >either one. But it's not very friendly to the users. If you're usinga@ >the old DECWindows session manager, you're likely not having my; >problems. I've never tried it, but according to HP handles G >multi-headed displays better. For the reason I mentioned, I don't wanti >to go back to it though.r >hG >With CDE, the background on screen 1 remains that ugly black-and-whitefF >herringbone pattern no matter what you do, and the window decorationsD >remain that default beige color I find hard on the eyes. There's noG >easy way to specify which screen to create new application windows on.tD >Yes, there's "Set Default Screen" in the App Manager, but that setsG >the default screen for all subsequent invocations of that application,bD >so if you start creating DECterms on screen 1 it will keep creatingD >them on screen 1 even if you set the default screen back to 0 laterE >on. Once created, there's no way to move a window from one screen to E >the other. On screen 1, only the default X screensaver is available.0  C Even with pre-CDE DECwindows/Motif, I had a command file for firingsF off apps in a multi-screened workstation.  If I was in screen 0, I hadC the "set display" command run to set the display to screen 1.  If Ii> was in Screen 1, I had the decw$display set to screen 0.  Then; create/term/detach/logged_in and it appears where I wanted.w  F I rarely fired-off applications from the x-windows gui/menu interface.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.087 ************************