0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 14 Feb 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 89      Contents:? Re: (Fwd) RE: User Comments on site feedback Incident # 3955731 ? RE: (Fwd) RE: User Comments on site feedback Incident # 3955731 ? Re: (Fwd) RE: User Comments on site feedback Incident # 3955731 ? Re: (Fwd) RE: User Comments on site feedback Incident # 3955731 ? Re: (Fwd) RE: User Comments on site feedback Incident # 3955731 ( Announcment - Next Technical Journal CFP Re: Barcode Printing from VT510  Re: Cluster Info from DCL  Re: Cluster Info from DCL * Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS?* Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS?+ Re: Concurrent license - process allocation # Re: CSwing & TAR on OpenVMS v7.3-1? # Re: CSwing & TAR on OpenVMS v7.3-1? # Re: CSwing & TAR on OpenVMS v7.3-1? G Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages  FA: DEC Memorabilia - Failure on the back translate address request 1 Re: Failure on the back translate address request 1 Re: Failure on the back translate address request 1 Re: Failure on the back translate address request  Re: Fun with FC-AL Re: Fun with FC-ALA Re: Gartner Sumposium ITxpo in San Diego to include Cappellas, HP A Re: Gartner Sumposium ITxpo in San Diego to include Cappellas, HP 6 Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily6 Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily6 Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily6 Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily7 Re: Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp ! Re: hobbyist @ montager.comNOSPAM ! Re: hobbyist @ montager.comNOSPAM ) Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS License registration ) Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS License registration  Re: HSZ50 Battery Qs Re: HSZ50 Battery Qs Re: HSZ50 Battery QsI IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" M Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" M Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" M Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" M Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" M Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" P Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" foP Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" fo$ Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...$ Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...  Re: Java & OSU Web Server on VMS= Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available = Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available = Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available + Re: ODS-2 read/write filesystem for Linux ?  Re: OpenVMS Boot press release Re: OpenVMS Boot press releaseP Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai) RE: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium ) Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium $ Re: Read/Write from a global section$ Re: Read/Write from a global section$ Re: Read/Write from a global section$ Re: Read/Write from a global section$ Re: Read/Write from a global sectionA Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS A Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS  Re: The importance of marketing  Re: The importance of marketing ( Re: UCX XDM, Linux vncserver -- working!( Re: UCX XDM, Linux vncserver -- working! Re: VMS @25 CD now available/ VMS documentation (OT feeble attempt at humour) P Whatever happened to ... "Crashless Windows", and [OT] Solar Toxic Waste Process$ Where to find Oracle RDB information( Re: Where to find Oracle RDB information> Win32 Binaries of SIMH/VAX (uVAX 3900 emulator) Version 2.10-3  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:27:45 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> H Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: User Comments on site feedback Incident # 3955731( Message-ID: <3E4BF1B1.6050402@rdrop.com>   VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: 6 > Easy enough to prove or disprove... view the source.  ? http://welcome.hp-ww.com/country/us/eng/js/metrics.js has some   interesting bits.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:32:38 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>H Subject: RE: (Fwd) RE: User Comments on site feedback Incident # 39557310 Message-ID: <01C2D353.A93786D0@sulfer.icius.com>  F That looks like an entry for the obfuscated c contest. Care to give an: English description of the bits that raised your eyebrows?   Shane    -----Original Message-----, From: Dean Woodward [mailto:deanw@rdrop.com]* Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:28 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: User Comments on site feedback Incident # 3955731     VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: 6 > Easy enough to prove or disprove... view the source.  ? http://welcome.hp-ww.com/country/us/eng/js/metrics.js has some   interesting bits.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:14:11 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> H Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: User Comments on site feedback Incident # 3955731( Message-ID: <3E4C18B3.4000702@rdrop.com>   Shane Smith wrote:8 > That looks like an entry for the obfuscated c contest.   Was probably meant to    Care to give an < > English description of the bits that raised your eyebrows?  $ Um, the comment lines were enough...  ; // ********************************************************  // JS FILE FOR METRIC TAGGING ; // ********************************************************   E Beyond that, I parsed out some bits where it tries to identify which  C browser (in a somewhat lame method that only tallies up IE, NS, or  G Opera- hence, that self-fulfilling prophecy) and a bunch of other mush   and reports it back.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:45:43 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>H Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: User Comments on site feedback Incident # 3955731/ Message-ID: <3E4C2E25.13C76417@vl.videotron.ca>   A Re: not supporting browsers that represent less than X% of usage.   M If Usage is measured with a javascript tricks and pony show, then obvioulsly, E they will only record browsers for which they have written compatible  javascript for.   K They need to look at the WEB SERVER LOGS to see the types of browsers used.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:57:07 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>H Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: User Comments on site feedback Incident # 3955731/ Message-ID: <3E4C30D0.938BED52@vl.videotron.ca>    Shane Smith wrote: > H > That looks like an entry for the obfuscated c contest. Care to give an< > English description of the bits that raised your eyebrows?  I It only looks for a specific list of browsers. So any browser not in that  list, well..   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:36:38 -0500 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> 1 Subject: Announcment - Next Technical Journal CFP / Message-ID: <f%O2a.159$2_3.45@news.cpqcorp.net>    From: Skonetski, Susan  * Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:28 AM  L  Announcement - Call for Abstracts for the second issue of OpenVMS Technical& Journal - ok for external distribution  
 Greetings,  G The OpenVMS Technical Journal (VTJ) has received excellent feedback and J support from our customers since it was announced on January 27th. To date3 we have received almost 9,000 hits on the web site: L http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/journal/  in addition to many positive customer comments and leads.  I We are currently requesting abstracts (not the completed article) for the F June 2003 issue. If you would like to submit an abstract please visit:6 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/journal/cfp.html  I We will be accepting abstracts for the June 2003 issue until Friday March  14.   I On behalf of the OpenVMS Technical Journal Team I would like to thank you  for your ongoing support.   	 VTJ Team:   9 Joan Winslow, Warren Sander, Steve Hoffman, Sue Skonetski    Warm Regards  
 Sue Skonetski    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:39:31 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> ( Subject: Re: Barcode Printing from VT510' Message-ID: <3E4BAE23.B2E230DE@vcu.edu>   : there's always vt100.net... or shuford's terminal page...    jim   
 dooley wrote:  > i > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E493D2E.97115B14@vl.videotron.ca>...  > > Alan Adams wrote: Q > > > At a guess, the VT510 is swallowing the escape sequences the printer needs. - > > > I can't think of a way to prevent that.  > > P > > If you set the terminal to "printer controller mode", then the terminal will@ > > interpret nothing and just sedn the raw data to the printer. > >  > > To turn it on: CSI 5 i > > To turn it off: CSI 4 i  > > K > > (where CSI is either the CSI control character, or <ESC> [ combination)  > > N > > In printer controller mode the terminal does not try to display or execute > > escape sequences. P > > In "auto print mode" ( CSI ? 5 i), the terminal parses the data and tries to > > display it on the screen.  > > Q > > So your application must send the CSI 5 i  when it starts to print, and CSI 4  > > i when it is done printing. @ > We use the folowing - I don't remember what the 0t does though> > (where are all those vt220 pocket guides when you need them) > $       esc[0,7] =   27   > $       csi      =   "''esc'[" > $       say "''csi'5i" > $       say "''csi'0t" > $       type 'type_file' > $       say "''csi'4i" > $       exit >  > Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:57:36 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)" Subject: Re: Cluster Info from DCL; Message-ID: <3e4bce80.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > > "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> wrote > > David J. Dachtera wrote:# > > > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: I > > >> I tried this and had to add a line to get the leading space out of ? > > >> the date-time string for the first nine days of a month.  > > > F > > > Actually, I screwed up and posted an old version. I don't have aK > > > cluster at home, so I don't have my current fixes here. I'll send the E > > > good one to myself from work and post it here over the weekend.  > > > J > > > I didn't use the VERSION keyword because it's not among those listedI > > > as working for nodes other than the local node. I'll check that out  > > > at work when I can.  > > J > > Indeed, VERSION only works on the local node. So, back to NODE_SWVERS. > K > Strange.  I am running VAX V7.2, Alpha V7.2-2 and VERSION works for me on  > non-local nodes. > $ > Perhaps more research is in order.  H I tried it on an Alpha V6.2, clustered with a VAX V6.2 and an Alpha V7.2D (yeah, I know...). Will run it again tomorrow on the other machines.   cu,    Martin --  G                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4  UNIX is user friendly.    | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  It's just selective about |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ ;  who its friends are.      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:26:13 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: Cluster Info from DCL2 Message-ID: <pQV2a.3904$h%6.102355@news.chello.at>  [ In article <3E49AF72.B877E09C@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >Jack Trachtman wrote:N >> How can I script DCL to show me which other nodes in a cluster are up?  Thx > N >Here's a freebie for the group: I call it simply SHCLU.COM (watch for wraps):  2  OpenVMS Cluster founded on Sunday,  at 9-FEB-2003?  by System Id 00001802; Membership: 2, Total Votes: 1,Quorum: 1   G NS       00001802 00010001 - VMS  Alpha V7.3 (AlphaServer DS10 466 MHz) G SADAL    0000180A 00010007 - VMS  Compaq V7.3 (Compaq AlphaServer ES40)   - It's nice to have a "Compaq" Architecture ;-)   E So, David, it seems the procedure needs a little modification to cope , with Q's very creative naming conventions..,   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:41:26 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> 3 Subject: Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS? ' Message-ID: <3E4BAE96.3C1EBCB8@vcu.edu>   D i gotta reply... I misread the part about needing vms compatiblity.  it's a maybe here..    sorry!!!   jim    Jim Agnew wrote: > E > Go with Belkin... I've used their cable for years, and going by the : > workmanship, and some of the junk i've bought from 'em.. > F > your mileage may and probably will vary, and your commputer may hate > me... ;-)  >  > I hope not!! >  > Qua'Pla!!! >  > Jim  >  > Shane Smith wrote: > > D > > Having wrestled with it for a chunk of the day, I've just had toK > > conclude that my DE205 network card is either dead or not recognised by K > > my Alpha Server 1000A. It's an EISA, and I now hate EISA with a passion J > > you can only dream of. The ECU keeps telling me it's installed the ^#$J > > thing, then it's missing when the console goes looking for it at boot.4 > > I'm walking away before I put a boot through it. > > K > > Can anyone recommend an over-the-counter PCI network card I have a good H > > chance of finding in Fry's tonight that will work under VMS 7.3-1 in? > > this box? A D-Link maybe, a Linksys or something like that?  > > 	 > > Shane  > > B > >  #####   -----------------------------------------------------C > > #-O-O-# | Arthur: "It's times like this I wish I'd listened   | C > > #  L  # | to what my Mother used to say." Ford: Why, what did | C > >  #===#  | she say?" Arthur: "I don't know, I didn't listen."  | B > >   ###    -----------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:22:38 -0500 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> 3 Subject: Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS? + Message-ID: <3E4C0C9E.D1EC6189@adldata.com>   B Maybe it has something to do with DECNET changing the MAC address.) This may require a vendor compatible NIC.    "Mark E. Levy" wrote:  > 0 > >Jim Agnew" <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote in message# > news:3E4ABA64.BEE53AF2@vcu.edu... G > > Go with Belkin... I've used their cable for years, and going by the < > > workmanship, and some of the junk i've bought from 'em.. > M > Um, I've never seen anything but ChumPaq cards work with VMS. 3Com or Intel N > cards may work, but I've never tried one. Nobody but ChumPaq has written VMS > drivers for their cards. > H > > your mileage may and probably will vary, and your commputer may hate
 > > me... ;-)  > >  > > I hope not!! > >  > > Qua'Pla!!! > >  > > Jim  > >  > > Shane Smith wrote: > > > F > > > Having wrestled with it for a chunk of the day, I've just had toM > > > conclude that my DE205 network card is either dead or not recognised by M > > > my Alpha Server 1000A. It's an EISA, and I now hate EISA with a passion L > > > you can only dream of. The ECU keeps telling me it's installed the ^#$L > > > thing, then it's missing when the console goes looking for it at boot.6 > > > I'm walking away before I put a boot through it. > > > M > > > Can anyone recommend an over-the-counter PCI network card I have a good J > > > chance of finding in Fry's tonight that will work under VMS 7.3-1 inA > > > this box? A D-Link maybe, a Linksys or something like that?  > > >  > > > Shane  > > > D > > >  #####   -----------------------------------------------------E > > > #-O-O-# | Arthur: "It's times like this I wish I'd listened   | E > > > #  L  # | to what my Mother used to say." Ford: Why, what did | E > > >  #===#  | she say?" Arthur: "I don't know, I didn't listen."  | D > > >   ###    -----------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:42:49 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)4 Subject: Re: Concurrent license - process allocation. Message-ID: <b2gsfp$mau$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes in article <b2dpia$1bcvjv$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de> dated Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:34:32 -0500:  >Andrew Rycroft wrote: >>... G >> With OpenVMS layered product concurrent use licenses, is there a way H >> from OpenVMS that I can see from OpenVMS which licenses are currently! >> allocated to which processes ?  >>...  > 3 >$ SHOW LICENSE/USAGE/FULL should do what you want.    Cool!  I've been doing    4    $ PIPE SHOW DEV/FILE SYS$SYSTEM | GREP image-name  @ But your way is much better because it shows usage cluster-wide.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:25:46 +0100 B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>, Subject: Re: CSwing & TAR on OpenVMS v7.3-1?7 Message-ID: <3E4BF13A.16ED@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > I > I tried to create a tarball with it, it loops on after the first file.  1 > I ended up having to use tar from inside POSIX.   @ There was a message on Hunter Goatley's Freeware Bulletin board ' about a Tar problem, including a fix :    : http://www.goatley.com/wwwboard/fileserv/messages/426.html   --   ME Posted by news://news.nb.nu    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 03 11:11:41 EST From: grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu, Subject: Re: CSwing & TAR on OpenVMS v7.3-1?/ Message-ID: <PV+2SOytvdt5@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>   G Glenn Everhart and I were working on cleaning up the code and making it E work.  I haven't gotten any new fixes from anyone in over two months. F I'm not going to take on permanent maintenance, as I don't use CSWING,: but I'd be willing to send you my copy and let you try it.  H And, if anyone wants to be the official maintenance site, probably Glenn- and my copies would be a good starting point.     P In article <3E4A9B14.EDB50C5A@chello.nl>, Rick Dyson <fulco03@chello.nl> writes:J > Has anyone yet gotten these to working successfully on an OpenVMS v7.3-1M > (Alpha) system?  Especially CSwing's "search" and "purge" functions!  Those H > are the two I know don't work.  I've not tested everything for fear of > corrupting files. :) > G > The last reference I can find in this group was Hoffman saying it was P > being looked at by someone (I assumed within the OpenVMS group) last November. > = > Anyone know of any workarounds or updated source code kits?  > I > I have seen reports that TAR just loops and I can confirm that.  I have N > not worked on TAR at all.  I just use pre-v7.3-1 machines and move the files3 > around afterwards.  Clusmy, but workable for now.  >  > Thanks > Rick   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:00:59 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>, Subject: Re: CSwing & TAR on OpenVMS v7.3-1?+ Message-ID: <b2gj0d$kfq@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   L "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote in message& news:3e4bbfd6_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com...  K > I tried to create a tarball with it, it loops on after the first file.  I / > ended up having to use tar from inside POSIX.   N I haven't looked at the TAR code to see if it has the same problem. However, I3 just put the latest XQP patch on, and it went away.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:18:33 -0500 * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>P Subject: Re: Doc Format Gripes (was: Re: HP hideousness of the OPenVMS web pages5 Message-ID: <130220031018335627%paul.anderson@hp.com>   C First, your requests for a PDF-to-PostScript translator so that PDF / files can be printed with DCPS have been noted.   : In article <12FEB200323513139@gerg.tamu.edu>, Carl Perkins <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote:   0 > Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes...  = > }In article <11FEB200320341579@gerg.tamu.edu>, Carl Perkins  > }<carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote:  D > }> A more accurate replacemwnet would probably be something in theH > }> LaserJet 2500 line, except that it would end up faster and probablyD > }> higher resoluition and a lot less expensive. But you might haveI > }> trouble using it from VMS - I don't know if they cooperate with DCPS A > }> or not (odds are that it is "not", until DCPS adds support).  > H > I meant "they" as in "the printer". If you plug it into the VMS systemI > (or have a version with a network card), can you print to it with DCPS?   F The Color LaserJet 2500 is supported in DCPS V2.2, just released.  Due2 to a printer firmware problem, you must define theD DCPS$queuename_NO_SYNC logical name for this printer, as well as theE 4200, 4300 and 5500.  And other than the fact that the 2500 acts like B the 2100 and 2300 with regards to paper sizes, so you can't select- paper by tray name, it cooperates quite well.   G > As an example of not cooperating, try an HP 8500 DN. We have one that I > doesn't work at all with DCPS - the VMS system sends the data via DCPS, J > the printer clearly gets data and then goes into the "processing" state,J > twiddling it's virtual thumbs for a minute or two, and then goes back to; > the "ready" state. Nothing ever comes out of the printer.   G The Color LaserJet 8500 and 8550 printers are different than most other C HP printers in that they *don't* cooperate with DCPS.  They'll work 1 over AppleTalk, but are officially not supported.   M > Some printers work with the unrecognized printer stuff in DCPS, some don't.   A Usually, as in the case of the 8500 and 8550, the printer doesn't F acknowledge or respond to PostScript queries or control sequences sentE by DCPS.  Printers that support bidirectional communication generally # *do* work as unrecognized printers.   G > So either the printer is a supported type, in which case DCPS and the H > printer cooperate and print stuff, or it isn't a supported type and itC > may or may not cooperate with DCPS to actually get stuff printed.   E In DCPS V2.2, we've added a "generic HP" class of printer that allows G you to access more printer features for unrecognized HP printers.  This F is possible because HP printers share some common characteristics that$ we guess new models will share also.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:20:25 -0500 3 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com>  Subject: FA: DEC Memorabilia8 Message-ID: <UnX2a.4402$xy3.662@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>  + Digital 40th Anniversary Playing Cards 1998 = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3208278775     Digital Jumbo Playing Cards 1978L http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21092&item=3207644945   PDP 11/44 ManualK http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3519&item=3401173641    KDA50-Q ManualK http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3519&item=3401292624    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 13:21:39 -0800- From: graff@cfa.harvard.edu (Gareth Williams) 6 Subject: Failure on the back translate address request= Message-ID: <47980844.0302131321.2f709786@posting.google.com>   C We run a six Alpha cluster (all running V7.2-1 with DECNET-PLUS [we B use DECNET-over-IP] and TCPIP 5.1).  Recently five of the machines? have been exhibiting the "Failure on the back translate address : request" error when SET HOST is used between the machines.D Proxies between those machines also fail to work and this is causing us significant headaches.   ? I have gone through all the previous postings on the subject in ! comp.os.vms and can confirm that:   A 1) all the machine appear to be registered in the local directory 4    service on each machine (i.e., in MCR SYSMAN with@    SET ENVIRO/CLUSTER doing DO MCR NCL SHOW NODE CFAPS5 produces%    identical output for all machines)   A 2) I have flushed the cache from SYSMAN on all six machines using :    DO MCR NCL FLUSH SESSION CONTROL NAMING CACHE ENTRY "*"  < 3) I have used MCR CDI$TRACE to observe what transpires when>    connections are attempted from the one machine without this;    problem and from one of the five that have this problem.   D Doing 3) gives me a big hint as to where the problem lies, but I see> nothing in the documentation to either DECNET-PLUS or TCPIP to confirm my suspicions.  > The five problem machines all had their most recent boot afterB 2002 Nov. 18.  What happened on this date?  Well, all the machinesD at our site, which had previously resided in the harvard.edu domain,< were moved to the new cfa.harvard.edu domain.  On that date A CPIP$CONFIG was used to update the domain name on each of the six D machines.  My suspicion, based on my CDI$TRACE observations, is thatD the TCPIP domain name is used by DECNET-PLUS in some fashion.  SinceA this is probably setup during the configuration of DECNET-PLUS, I A further assume that DECNET-PLUS is still using harvard.edu and is  getting confused.   E Is this a red herring or am I on the right track?  If the former, any B ideas on where the problem might be?  If the latter, how do I tellA DECNET-PLUS to use the new domain name?  (I don't see anything in  MCR DECNET_REGISTER.)    Gareth Williams    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:28:30 GMT 2 From: Gib Copeland <copeland@jenni.path.uiowa.edu>: Subject: Re: Failure on the back translate address request? Message-ID: <i_U2a.101048$HN5.364036@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>    Gareth Williams wrote:E > We run a six Alpha cluster (all running V7.2-1 with DECNET-PLUS [we D > use DECNET-over-IP] and TCPIP 5.1).  Recently five of the machinesA > have been exhibiting the "Failure on the back translate address < > request" error when SET HOST is used between the machines.F > Proxies between those machines also fail to work and this is causing > us significant headaches.  > A > I have gone through all the previous postings on the subject in # > comp.os.vms and can confirm that:  .  .  .  > @ > The five problem machines all had their most recent boot afterD > 2002 Nov. 18.  What happened on this date?  Well, all the machinesF > at our site, which had previously resided in the harvard.edu domain,> > were moved to the new cfa.harvard.edu domain.  On that date C > CPIP$CONFIG was used to update the domain name on each of the six F > machines.  My suspicion, based on my CDI$TRACE observations, is thatF > the TCPIP domain name is used by DECNET-PLUS in some fashion.  SinceC > this is probably setup during the configuration of DECNET-PLUS, I C > further assume that DECNET-PLUS is still using harvard.edu and is  > getting confused.  > G > Is this a red herring or am I on the right track?  If the former, any D > ideas on where the problem might be?  If the latter, how do I tellC > DECNET-PLUS to use the new domain name?  (I don't see anything in  > MCR DECNET_REGISTER.)  >  > Gareth Williams   C You're right, DECnet-Plus needs to know about the domain change too G (well, at least if you have DNS in your directory service search path). J Look at SYS$MANAGER:NET$SEARCHPATH_STARTUP.NCL.  SYS$MANAGER:NET$CONFIGURE will fix it for you.   Gib    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:20:48 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>: Subject: Re: Failure on the back translate address request5 Message-ID: <1030213180626.7792B-100000@Ives.egh.com>   & On 13 Feb 2003, Gareth Williams wrote:  E > We run a six Alpha cluster (all running V7.2-1 with DECNET-PLUS [we D > use DECNET-over-IP] and TCPIP 5.1).  Recently five of the machinesA > have been exhibiting the "Failure on the back translate address < > request" error when SET HOST is used between the machines.F > Proxies between those machines also fail to work and this is causing > us significant headaches.  > A > I have gone through all the previous postings on the subject in # > comp.os.vms and can confirm that:  > C > 1) all the machine appear to be registered in the local directory 6 >    service on each machine (i.e., in MCR SYSMAN withB >    SET ENVIRO/CLUSTER doing DO MCR NCL SHOW NODE CFAPS5 produces' >    identical output for all machines)  > C > 2) I have flushed the cache from SYSMAN on all six machines using < >    DO MCR NCL FLUSH SESSION CONTROL NAMING CACHE ENTRY "*" > > > 3) I have used MCR CDI$TRACE to observe what transpires when@ >    connections are attempted from the one machine without this= >    problem and from one of the five that have this problem.  > F > Doing 3) gives me a big hint as to where the problem lies, but I see@ > nothing in the documentation to either DECNET-PLUS or TCPIP to > confirm my suspicions. > @ > The five problem machines all had their most recent boot afterD > 2002 Nov. 18.  What happened on this date?  Well, all the machinesF > at our site, which had previously resided in the harvard.edu domain,> > were moved to the new cfa.harvard.edu domain.  On that date C > CPIP$CONFIG was used to update the domain name on each of the six F > machines.  My suspicion, based on my CDI$TRACE observations, is thatF > the TCPIP domain name is used by DECNET-PLUS in some fashion.  SinceC > this is probably setup during the configuration of DECNET-PLUS, I C > further assume that DECNET-PLUS is still using harvard.edu and is  > getting confused.  > G > Is this a red herring or am I on the right track?  If the former, any D > ideas on where the problem might be?  If the latter, how do I tellC > DECNET-PLUS to use the new domain name?  (I don't see anything in  > MCR DECNET_REGISTER.)  >  > Gareth Williams   B I think you are on the right track.  IIRC, you need to run throughB the basic config stuff in NET$CONFIGURE and specify the new domain name.   3 You may also have to change all the proxies to use  . foo.cfa.harvard.edu instead of foo.harvard.edu  = I don't know why LOCAL:.foo:: proxies should be affected, but  they might be.  ? If you look in the accounting log and/or the security audit log = (analyze/audit/full ...), there might be some hints as to why * proxies are failing, if this doesn't help.  < P.S.  I learned to program in Fortran on the old SAO CDC6400< at 185 Alewife... In those days (pre-ARPAnet!) the only commB stuff around was a remote job entry station (printer, card reader,? card punch) in the observatory, next to the keypunch room, with 6 a 4800-baud(maybe slower?) leased line to 185 Alewife.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 21:59:17 -05007 From: "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> : Subject: Re: Failure on the back translate address request0 Message-ID: <3e4c5b85.0@cfanews.cfa.harvard.edu>  . Gareth Williams <graff@cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:E : We run a six Alpha cluster (all running V7.2-1 with DECNET-PLUS [we D : use DECNET-over-IP] and TCPIP 5.1).  Recently five of the machinesA : have been exhibiting the "Failure on the back translate address < : request" error when SET HOST is used between the machines.F : Proxies between those machines also fail to work and this is causing : us significant headaches.  <snip>  =   Thanks to Gib Copeland and John Santos for pointing out the E solution.  Problem solved.  It would be helpful if TCPIP$CONFIG could E warn you to run SYS$MANAGER:NET$CONFIGURE (or even drop you into it!) E if you change the domain name and you're running DECNET-PLUS.  Hint,  	 hint. :-)   	    Gareth   > P.S.  John: The CDC machine predates me by some years!  When IF arrvived at 160 there was a VAX of some description in the COmputationD Facility and our group had a pair of MicroVAX IIs.  The CF abandonedK VMS in favor of U**x around the time the Alpha machines were introduced :-(    --  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------H Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.+ Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center H gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html7 OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systems    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:48:07 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> Subject: Re: Fun with FC-ALe8 Message-ID: <pitn4v4p9gadqhdib3prq9teitajr2pg37@4ax.com>  A On 12 Feb 2003 09:52:37 -0700, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm  Dunnett) wrote:s   >mI >   I did a little more experimenting. I got a bunch of IO activity goinguI >( doing backup/physicals of all the disks to NL: ), then I unplugged the J >hub that the quorum disk was being accessed through. As one would expect,J >all the disks autoswitched over to the remaining adapter - but the quorumG >disk didn't work properly after that. It seemed to go into a continual7 >cycle of the following: >p3 >	- report of connection to quorum disk being lost.d@ >	- cluster hangs ( currently only one node and one quorum disk,% >          each with a single vote ). = >	- I watch the lights on the quorum disk, they flash 3 times @ >	  at 3 second intervals ( QDSKINTERVAL is set to 3 ), then the0 >	  connection to the quorum disk gets restored.? >	- System runs ok for about 3 seconds and then reports loss ofd >          quorum disk again.u! >	- cycle repeats all over again.d >aH >   I plugged the first hub back in again and after another cycle or twoC >  of the above the original adapter comes back on-line and clusteriD >activity goes back to normal. The second time I tried this sequenceD >the cluster bouncing didn't stop until I killed all the backup jobs >I had running.o >iD >   Concurrent with this the console port on the HSG80 was reportingE >a fairly continuous stream of "COMMAND ABORTED" errors. The instancer< >code was 258000A and the port, target and lun were all 255. >tC >   ISTM there's some "issues" with quorum disks on FC-AL. It seemsrD >that getting this working reliably is important in a 2 node cluster: >(which seems to be the target market for FC-AL support ).  D There's probably a good reason that FC-AL support wasn't pursued for OpenVMS and VMSclusters.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 04:32:43 GMT.- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>t Subject: Re: Fun with FC-ALc< Message-ID: <Lj_2a.7644$jR3.3968318@news1.news.adelphia.net>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote:C >     Well I suspect the main reason was that it won't scale to therE > large size clusters that were presumably the first market for fibresH > channel. However the publicly available roadmaps suggest FC-AL supportB > for VMS is coming "this year", targeted at the "2 host, 1 array"G > size cluster. So far I've not seem any FC-AL disk issues on VMS 7.3-1rF > other than the quorum disk problem I mentioned here, unfortunately aA > 2 node cluster is precisely where a quorum disk is most useful.n  D FC-AL does not scale as well as a fabric, and the LOOP has a lot of B overhead issues that the host adapters and drivers must deal with.B The more that you add to the loop, the worse the overhead can get.  E The Quorum disk should not be an issue when support is announced.  I  2 would expect an ECO kit to be part of the support.   -Johnf wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyf   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:21:31 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> J Subject: Re: Gartner Sumposium ITxpo in San Diego to include Cappellas, HPG Message-ID: <LTU2a.42805$Qf1.9882@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>l  ) <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in messagen9 news:OF5E90BA60.D694F07C-ON85256CCC.0059C890@metso.com...d >r >eE > Gartner Sumposium ITxpo in San Diego will include Michale Cappellasl as one% > of the Mastermind Keynote Speakers.o     Mastermind??? Mastermind???o  
 ROTFLMHO!!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:08:19 -0600v1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>oJ Subject: Re: Gartner Sumposium ITxpo in San Diego to include Cappellas, HP' Message-ID: <3E4C5DA3.44E4A2FF@fsi.net>P   John Smith wrote:  > + > <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in messageR; > news:OF5E90BA60.D694F07C-ON85256CCC.0059C890@metso.com...r > >s > >.G > > Gartner Sumposium ITxpo in San Diego will include Michale Cappellas- > as one' > > of the Mastermind Keynote Speakers.m >  > Mastermind??? Mastermind???  >  > ROTFLMHO!!   ...or in my case, ROFLMFAO!b -- n David J. Dachterae dba DJE SystemsB http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:02:26 GMTo' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>-? Subject: Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily + Message-ID: <3E4BFA8E.55994DD8@pacbell.net>(   Amarendra GODBOLE wrote: >  > Folks, > E > How do I grant privileges to non-privileged users temporarily ? ThelE > basic question is, I need user foo (non-privileged user) to do somes= > database updates. For that I have to elevate his privileges F > temporarily, and give him CMKRNL as well as BYPASS privileges. AfterA > doing this operation, his old privileges will be restored back.i > H > My solution (after reading the Hack-VMS-FAQ, and some other stuff) is:A > 1. Install an image (say GRANTPRIV.EXE), with CMKRNL and BYPASS 
 > privileges.w- > 2. GRANTPRIV.EXE basically does two things:y' >    a. Grants the required privileges.t( >    b. Does the database manipulations.C > 3. Now as a normal user foo, I'll call GRANTPRIV.EXE from my usera- > program, which will then do the job for me.m > F > Someone tells me that, a `sharable image' does the same thing. I wasH > unable to find more info on sharable image. Can someone point me to it > ?o > F You can't grant privileges via a shareable image by installing it with privs.B To do that you must create a program that does a SYS$CMKRNL, whichF executes a routine that does the SYS$SETPRV. Then you can link it as aH shareable and install it as PROTECTED, not PRIV. Be careful though cause= once the privs are granted they will stay in effect until thetH "executeable" image exits even if they're set on as temporary, Better toE call your shareable again and UNgrant them as soon as you're finisheda  doing what you want with the DB.    4 > I came across a package called `Cerberus' on decusF > (http://www.decus.org/libcatalog/document_html/v00118_1.html), whichG > does something similar to this. But the code given there is (I guess)3H > Fortran, and I am unable to comprehend it. It will be great if someoneF > points me to some C code that does something similar to what I want, > example code.c >  > Thanks in advance. > 
 > --amarendra    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:45:37 GMTa' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>e? Subject: Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily-+ Message-ID: <3E4C2EDE.31F56E2A@pacbell.net>3   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:f > W > In article <3E4BFA8E.55994DD8@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:t > >5 > >  > > Amarendra GODBOLE wrote: > >> > >> Folks,  > >>H > >> How do I grant privileges to non-privileged users temporarily ? TheH > >> basic question is, I need user foo (non-privileged user) to do some@ > >> database updates. For that I have to elevate his privilegesI > >> temporarily, and give him CMKRNL as well as BYPASS privileges. After D > >> doing this operation, his old privileges will be restored back. > >>K > >> My solution (after reading the Hack-VMS-FAQ, and some other stuff) is: D > >> 1. Install an image (say GRANTPRIV.EXE), with CMKRNL and BYPASS > >> privileges.0 > >> 2. GRANTPRIV.EXE basically does two things:* > >>    a. Grants the required privileges.+ > >>    b. Does the database manipulations.nF > >> 3. Now as a normal user foo, I'll call GRANTPRIV.EXE from my user0 > >> program, which will then do the job for me. > >>I > >> Someone tells me that, a `sharable image' does the same thing. I wasoK > >> unable to find more info on sharable image. Can someone point me to it  > >> ? > >>J > > You can't grant privileges via a shareable image by installing it with
 > > privs.F > > To do that you must create a program that does a SYS$CMKRNL, whichJ > > executes a routine that does the SYS$SETPRV. Then you can link it as aL > > shareable and install it as PROTECTED, not PRIV. Be careful though causeA > > once the privs are granted they will stay in effect until the L > > "executeable" image exits even if they're set on as temporary, Better toI > > call your shareable again and UNgrant them as soon as you're finishedk$ > > doing what you want with the DB. > G > Also, there's nothing to stop your friendly neighborhood cracker from E > writing their own program, linking against your protected shareableEI > image, and calling your UWSS to enable privileges in their application.  > H > The last time I needed to do this kind of thing, I took the precautionD > of calling SYS$GETJPI and checking the image name of the currentlyA > executing program before calling SYS$GRANTID from my UWSS.  Notq' > bulletproof, but better than nothing.  > E > Then DEC came out with "protected subsystems" and squashed the needn' > for that particular sort of trickery.i > ) Protected Subsystems? How does that work?    --     Have VMS, Will Travelo Wire paladin, San Franciscot   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 20:04:59 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e? Subject: Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarilys3 Message-ID: <qZ4ZY$fJuBiU@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  U In article <3E4C2EDE.31F56E2A@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:t  + > Protected Subsystems? How does that work?i  ? Conceptually it is like installing an image with an identifier,w@ except that the system manager does not need to be involved when6 it comes time to replace the image with a new version.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 15:22:46 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org? Subject: Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily 3 Message-ID: <nl286cn9mouU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3E4BFA8E.55994DD8@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:) >  >  > Amarendra GODBOLE wrote: >> s	 >> Folks,4 >> .F >> How do I grant privileges to non-privileged users temporarily ? TheF >> basic question is, I need user foo (non-privileged user) to do some> >> database updates. For that I have to elevate his privilegesG >> temporarily, and give him CMKRNL as well as BYPASS privileges. After B >> doing this operation, his old privileges will be restored back. >>  I >> My solution (after reading the Hack-VMS-FAQ, and some other stuff) is: B >> 1. Install an image (say GRANTPRIV.EXE), with CMKRNL and BYPASS >> privileges.. >> 2. GRANTPRIV.EXE basically does two things:( >>    a. Grants the required privileges.) >>    b. Does the database manipulations.hD >> 3. Now as a normal user foo, I'll call GRANTPRIV.EXE from my user. >> program, which will then do the job for me. >>  G >> Someone tells me that, a `sharable image' does the same thing. I was I >> unable to find more info on sharable image. Can someone point me to ite >> ? >> -H > You can't grant privileges via a shareable image by installing it with > privs.D > To do that you must create a program that does a SYS$CMKRNL, whichH > executes a routine that does the SYS$SETPRV. Then you can link it as aJ > shareable and install it as PROTECTED, not PRIV. Be careful though cause? > once the privs are granted they will stay in effect until thecJ > "executeable" image exits even if they're set on as temporary, Better toG > call your shareable again and UNgrant them as soon as you're finished-" > doing what you want with the DB.  E Also, there's nothing to stop your friendly neighborhood cracker fromtC writing their own program, linking against your protected shareable G image, and calling your UWSS to enable privileges in their application.p  F The last time I needed to do this kind of thing, I took the precautionB of calling SYS$GETJPI and checking the image name of the currently? executing program before calling SYS$GRANTID from my UWSS.  Not:% bulletproof, but better than nothing.   C Then DEC came out with "protected subsystems" and squashed the needu% for that particular sort of trickery.-   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:02:35 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>C@ Subject: Re: Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp' Message-ID: <3E4C5C4B.6609CAB8@fsi.net>s   Ken Farmer wrote:  > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3E4B0DBD.AFCB3DD7@fsi.net...@ > > Sue Skonetski wrote: > > >SL > > > Previously known as the OpenVMS Symposium will be the week of November > > > 10th 2003. > >1: > > Happen to know if dates have been set for HP-ETS 2003? > % > OpenVMS.org: OpenVMS Related Eventsr. > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Events  E Mention of OpenVMS is conspicuous by its absence on the Interex eventi1 site. Look at the submissions pages for examples.i  F (Cross-posted to comp.org.decus. Anyone know if there's a Usenet group! for Interex and/or its symposia?)d   -- f David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:38:16 +0000 (UTC)t. From: John Forkosh <john@SeeSigForAddress.com>* Subject: Re: hobbyist @ montager.comNOSPAM, Message-ID: <b2ha98$5pl$1@reader1.panix.com>  / John Forkosh <john@SeeSigForAddress.com> wrote:I< : Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:J : : Has anyone else had trouble sending email to the email address on the  : : hobbyist page at Montagar?  8 : I placed an order for a vax hobbyist cd on January 22.< : When I hadn't received it by Jan 31, I sent them an email.> : As of today, haven't received email reply, and still haven't: : received cd.  By the way, they did charge my credit card/ : (and I do have a valid Encompass US member#).   : In fairness to Montagar, I guess I should report receiving= cd today, February 13.  But they'd totally ignored two emailsh; and even a voicemail message in the meantime.  Back in 2001a8 I got their earlier cd in just a few days, and their own= confirmation screen still suggests you email them if it takes-: much longer than that to arrive.  I didn't really mind the> delay itself, but a reply would have been nice.  Nevertheless,6 better late than never, and I'm happy it arrived after0 being "Lost in [cyber]Space".  Thanks, Montagar. -- 1> John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:42:09 -0600M1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>u* Subject: Re: hobbyist @ montager.comNOSPAM& Message-ID: <3E4C5781.3A50055@fsi.net>   Phillip Helbig wrote:  > G > Has anyone else had trouble sending email to the email address on ther > hobbyist page at Montagar?  F Heard from David Cathey personally. He'd been on vacation and his mailH server got spam-bombed. May take him a while to unhose things completely% and get caught up. Please be patient.l   -- y David J. Dachterav dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 07:39:49 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n2 Subject: Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS License registration3 Message-ID: <MLWrB09ODkVp@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  d In article <5697eb95.0302130523.23a1ba61@posting.google.com>, jk@igm-group.com (Joe Kreuzer) writes:? > I want to get a license for the OpenVMS Hobbyist version from  > Montegar. > > I am using Charon VAX-emulator on a windows PC. I can selectE > CHARON-VAX as CPU type at the registration form but from where do Io > get the CPU serial number ???y  7    IIRC you also enter Charon-VAX as the serial number.x   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2003 05:04:33 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>2 Subject: Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS License registration, Message-ID: <b2htd101fgt@enews1.newsguy.com>  % Joe Kreuzer <jk@igm-group.com> wrote: ? > I want to get a license for the OpenVMS Hobbyist version fromr > Montegar.t> > I am using Charon VAX-emulator on a windows PC. I can selectE > CHARON-VAX as CPU type at the registration form but from where do I  > get the CPU serial number ???0  I Does this mean that there is once again a Hobbyist Version of Charon VAX?r   			Zane    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 15:01:44 -0800/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)i Subject: Re: HSZ50 Battery Qs4= Message-ID: <754a27c1.0302131501.3efbba66@posting.google.com>A  e nmanser@progis.de (Manser) wrote in message news:<2178d61f.0302121745.3402e4b5@posting.google.com>...>v > chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers) wrote in message news:<754a27c1.0302111218.2fa7c993@posting.google.com>...\ > > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3E490818.F3421B2@127.0.0.1>... > > > Chris Scheers wrote: > > > > E > > > > I just received a HSZ50 to play with and have some questions.. > > > > K > > > > The HSZ50 controller board includes a coin battery.  There was some D > > > > discussion earlier that removing this battery is a Bad Idea. > > > > I > > > > However, this setup is about 5 years old, and that is putting thesK > > > > battery at a questionable age.  Can the battery be replaced safely?FC > > > > Is there any warning when the battery needs to be replaced?  > > > >  > > > L > > > I agree with your thinking that swapping a lithium after about 5 yearsI > > > is a good idea, on many (all?) they are soldered in, and some are 5rN > > > year, some are 10 year life. You will lose the configuration data of theL > > > drives (that is what they back up), but in twin controller situations,M > > > you've got it written to the other controller, right? Also you can saverN > > > the config to the drives, but beware the overhead on controller start up! > > > as it reads all the drives.i > >  > > 5 > > The batteries (CR2032) on my HSZ50s are socketed.d > > G > > I'm not particularly worried about the configuration.  I can always  > > recreate it. > > G > > My main concern is a previous discussion that implied that removingiH > > the battery could result in the loss of the serial number, rendering > > the HSZ50 a paper weight:r > > t > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3df3c689%240%242229%24e4fe514c%40dreader6.news.xs4all.nl > > H > > Instead of finding out the hard way, I would like to know whether or' > > not I should be worried about this.p > > 
 > > Thanx! > G > I made the painful experience some months ago, but i was obligated toe > disconnectD > the (CR2032 Lithium Battery because the HSZ50 had a bugcheck whileF > performing selftests. i could not access the CLI. (i didn't that for > joke)e > G > so for all people i strongly discourage to disconnect them, if you doy > so2 > your controller will be unusable  (see my posts)" >                         -------- >  > But i have one question: > E > what happens when that Battery goes flat ? and what i to do in thats
 > situation ?r= > about the secret way to get the serial number back, i still 
 > interested.-    C That is my concern too.  Sooner or later these batteries will fail.B  1 Do the HSZ controllers have a built in time bomb?    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 15:05:12 -0800/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)d Subject: Re: HSZ50 Battery Qs3= Message-ID: <754a27c1.0302131505.20cbe30b@posting.google.com>l  S "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@hp.com> wrote in message news:<3E4BD4EA.AC398A56@hp.com>...iG > I know that it sounds very unfair but I don't make the rules.  An HSZpH > owner that needs the serial number reset for ANY reason has to pay $$$G > either via a service contract or on a per-call basis.  The details on J > how this is done are company confidential and it would be a disciplinaryI > offense for an employee to tell you or to do the work without following1 > procedure.   Understood.   ( Do you know what the charge is for this?  E My concern is that sooner or later, that battery is going to fail.  It& would prefer to be proactive about it.     > Manser wrote:r > > But i have one question: > > G > > what happens when that Battery goes flat ? and what i to do in thatB > > situation ?.? > > about the secret way to get the serial number back, i stillA > > interested.p > >  > > Nazim Manser.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:44:24 -0600s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: HSZ50 Battery Qsa' Message-ID: <3E4C5808.A786A4CE@fsi.net>n   Chris Scheers wrote: > g > nmanser@progis.de (Manser) wrote in message news:<2178d61f.0302121745.3402e4b5@posting.google.com>..."x > > chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers) wrote in message news:<754a27c1.0302111218.2fa7c993@posting.google.com>...^ > > > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3E490818.F3421B2@127.0.0.1>... > > > > Chris Scheers wrote:	 > > > > >eG > > > > > I just received a HSZ50 to play with and have some questions.a	 > > > > >nM > > > > > The HSZ50 controller board includes a coin battery.  There was sometF > > > > > discussion earlier that removing this battery is a Bad Idea.	 > > > > > K > > > > > However, this setup is about 5 years old, and that is putting the M > > > > > battery at a questionable age.  Can the battery be replaced safely? E > > > > > Is there any warning when the battery needs to be replaced? 	 > > > > >t > > > >lN > > > > I agree with your thinking that swapping a lithium after about 5 yearsK > > > > is a good idea, on many (all?) they are soldered in, and some are 5 P > > > > year, some are 10 year life. You will lose the configuration data of theN > > > > drives (that is what they back up), but in twin controller situations,O > > > > you've got it written to the other controller, right? Also you can savelP > > > > the config to the drives, but beware the overhead on controller start up# > > > > as it reads all the drives.e > > >  > > >y7 > > > The batteries (CR2032) on my HSZ50s are socketed.  > > >lI > > > I'm not particularly worried about the configuration.  I can alwaysp > > > recreate it. > > >DI > > > My main concern is a previous discussion that implied that removingtJ > > > the battery could result in the loss of the serial number, rendering > > > the HSZ50 a paper weight:  > > >rv > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3df3c689%240%242229%24e4fe514c%40dreader6.news.xs4all.nl > > >aJ > > > Instead of finding out the hard way, I would like to know whether or) > > > not I should be worried about this.e > > >  > > > Thanx! > > I > > I made the painful experience some months ago, but i was obligated to, > > disconnectF > > the (CR2032 Lithium Battery because the HSZ50 had a bugcheck whileH > > performing selftests. i could not access the CLI. (i didn't that for	 > > joke)  > >aI > > so for all people i strongly discourage to disconnect them, if you dol > > so4 > > your controller will be unusable  (see my posts)$ > >                         -------- > >I > > But i have one question: > > G > > what happens when that Battery goes flat ? and what i to do in thaty > > situation ?3? > > about the secret way to get the serial number back, i stillI > > interested.& > E > That is my concern too.  Sooner or later these batteries will fail.2 > 3 > Do the HSZ controllers have a built in time bomb?   E ...and/or what is the expectable lifespan of the battery in question?9   -- 3 David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/I   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 11:02:57 -0800( From: baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)R Subject: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it"< Message-ID: <c5cf6e8.0302131102.168d7fcc@posting.google.com>  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7735   Shifts Linux work to Power4o  0 By Egan Orion: Wednesday 12 February 2003, 07:11  A BIG BLUE has discontinued efforts to adapt Linux for the Itanium,hA according to IDG. IBM spokesman Ron Faveli said "IBM doesn't haveMD anyone dedicated to working with Linux on Itanium." Favali proceededA to explain, "Our view right now is that Itanium is like a sciences& project. There's not a market for it."   More atC  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7735   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:16:00 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>oV Subject: Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it"( Message-ID: <3E4C3540.5020909@rdrop.com>   Baby Peanut wrote:* > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7735 >  > Shifts Linux work to Power4  > 2 > By Egan Orion: Wednesday 12 February 2003, 07:11 > C > BIG BLUE has discontinued efforts to adapt Linux for the Itanium,pC > according to IDG. IBM spokesman Ron Faveli said "IBM doesn't havefF > anyone dedicated to working with Linux on Itanium." Favali proceededC > to explain, "Our view right now is that Itanium is like a sciencey( > project. There's not a market for it."  I As the article says, that makes sense- there are others working on Linux yE on Itanium, while Blue is going to have to lead the port to Power 4-  F and, as the article also says, it makes more sense for IBM to port to . their own 64-bit platform than someone else's.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2003 02:34:38 GMT From: rmk@rmkhome.comEV Subject: Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it"3 Message-ID: <3e4c55be$0$197$75868355@news.frii.net>-  ) Baby Peanut <baby_p_nut@yahoo.com> wrote:m    C > BIG BLUE has discontinued efforts to adapt Linux for the Itanium,hC > according to IDG. IBM spokesman Ron Faveli said "IBM doesn't have6F > anyone dedicated to working with Linux on Itanium." Favali proceededC > to explain, "Our view right now is that Itanium is like a scienceo( > project. There's not a market for it."  K I can tell you this. NetBSD runs on more platforms than any other platform, G and new ports are always underway. Someone asked about itanic on one of J the NetBSD mailing lists. The answer was something like: "We don't believe8 that there is any great need to do a port at this time." -- i, rmk@rmkhome.com		http://www.rmkhome.com/~rmk   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2003 02:39:43 GMT From: rmk@rmkhome.comaV Subject: Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it"3 Message-ID: <3e4c56ef$0$197$75868355@news.frii.net>m  & Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote:  K > As the article says, that makes sense- there are others working on Linux  G > on Itanium, while Blue is going to have to lead the port to Power 4- aH > and, as the article also says, it makes more sense for IBM to port to 0 > their own 64-bit platform than someone else's.  E I see that SuSe Linux for Itanium goes from $1000 for 1 proc to $1959i/ for 4 procs, and no downloadable free binaries.  --  , rmk@rmkhome.com		http://www.rmkhome.com/~rmk   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:21:45 -0500l* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>V Subject: Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it"2 Message-ID: <OoKcnV7QOYxI_dGjXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:9+XRpLsD5whu@eisner.encompasserve.org...k> > In article <c5cf6e8.0302131102.168d7fcc@posting.google.com>,* baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) writes:, > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7735 > >3 > > Shifts Linux work to Power4o > >H4 > > By Egan Orion: Wednesday 12 February 2003, 07:11 > >eE > > BIG BLUE has discontinued efforts to adapt Linux for the Itanium,nE > > according to IDG. IBM spokesman Ron Faveli said "IBM doesn't havelH > > anyone dedicated to working with Linux on Itanium." Favali proceededE > > to explain, "Our view right now is that Itanium is like a science * > > project. There's not a market for it." > >w > > More ati > >d, > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7735 >a >nA > Of course that is his spin.  The reasoned analysis that followss) > in that same article you quote is this:o >pJ > Someone high up at IBM must have asked the question, "Why should we work toD > compete with HP and Dell on low-margin assembly of Intel systems?" >oJ > Especially when IBM has its own 64-bit processors in the Power family -- soonB > to be upgraded into performance levels competitive with Itanium.  H Since, of course, POWER4+ processors *already* out-perform Itanic2s (andL even POWER4 was at no net performance disadvantage), the above clarifies theL fact (which regular readers of L'Inq should already know) that Egan Orion isG not exactly an expert on the relative merits of the two platforms:  hisfI primary interest is Linux, hence his comments fail to address some of thee5 more significant aspects of the article he refers to.a  K In particular, not only is IBM now apparently comfortable making statementseL that marginalize Itanic, but industry analysts seem comfortable going along:   <quote>   L Illuminata's Haff agreed that the Itanium chip has proved to be a formidableI competitor to Power and Sun Microsystems' UltraSPARC processors but added 7 that he senses the industry cooling on Itanium overall.i  L "I think the industry is starting to shift a bit around Itanium," Haff said.K "Two years ago people looked at Itanium and thought it would be the naturalsK order of things to have Intel as the 64-bit chip supplier. The fact is thatSH Itanium is still basically an HPCC [high-performance computing clusters]J play, so IBM is looking to go their own route if they can get just as much market share with Power."    </quote>  J Gordon Haff is not exactly an anti-Itanic fanatic, by the way:  he was theJ author of the highly complimentary article about HP's McKinley zx1 chipset
 last year.  L There might be a parallel with political campaigns, where lots of early hypeJ results in a candidate 'peaking' too early and losing public interest (or,L worse yet, being caught out on statements made sufficiently early that thereL was time to prove them false) before the actual election occurs.  The ItanicI juggernaut has been enough of a sluggernaut (both in appearance and in ateJ least initial performance) that it may be starting to face a sea change inJ the perception of its aura of invincibility before there's really anything actually invincible about it.O   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 13:55:45 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) V Subject: Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it"3 Message-ID: <9+XRpLsD5whu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <c5cf6e8.0302131102.168d7fcc@posting.google.com>, baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) writes:e* > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7735 >  > Shifts Linux work to Power4d > 2 > By Egan Orion: Wednesday 12 February 2003, 07:11 > C > BIG BLUE has discontinued efforts to adapt Linux for the Itanium,lC > according to IDG. IBM spokesman Ron Faveli said "IBM doesn't havelF > anyone dedicated to working with Linux on Itanium." Favali proceededC > to explain, "Our view right now is that Itanium is like a sciencel( > project. There's not a market for it." > 	 > More at  > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7735    @ 	Of course that is his spin.  The reasoned analysis that follows( 	in that same article you quote is this:  K Someone high up at IBM must have asked the question, "Why should we work toeB compete with HP and Dell on low-margin assembly of Intel systems?"  M Especially when IBM has its own 64-bit processors in the Power family -- soon @ to be upgraded into performance levels competitive with Itanium.     		[snip]  I IDG attempts to spin this development into a budding feud between IBM anda< Intel/HP. But we think it's just IBM playing its cards well.   ---p  @ 	Really.  Why should IBM spend money on Linux on Itanium?  IntelD 	is shoveling a bunch of money in that direction, etc.  Makes littleA 	sense.  Science project?  5th or 6th grade?  Funny comment.  See-C 	how they do price/performance wise over the next few years against.	 	Itanium.i   				Robr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:10:55 -0600.1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>dY Subject: Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" fo1' Message-ID: <3E4C5E3F.953C7DAA@fsi.net>r   Rob Young wrote: > i > In article <c5cf6e8.0302131102.168d7fcc@posting.google.com>, baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) writes:0, > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7735 > >o > > Shifts Linux work to Power4r > >e4 > > By Egan Orion: Wednesday 12 February 2003, 07:11 > >cE > > BIG BLUE has discontinued efforts to adapt Linux for the Itanium,aE > > according to IDG. IBM spokesman Ron Faveli said "IBM doesn't havelH > > anyone dedicated to working with Linux on Itanium." Favali proceededE > > to explain, "Our view right now is that Itanium is like a science * > > project. There's not a market for it." > >c > > More atm > > , > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7735 > I >         Of course that is his spin.  The reasoned analysis that follows 1 >         in that same article you quote is this:i > M > Someone high up at IBM must have asked the question, "Why should we work toiD > compete with HP and Dell on low-margin assembly of Intel systems?" > O > Especially when IBM has its own 64-bit processors in the Power family -- soonlB > to be upgraded into performance levels competitive with Itanium.  F ...and with Alpha out of the picture, and only Itanic to compete with,F ... well, draw your own conclusions, but the conspiracy theorist in me3 wonders whether IBM had a hand in Alpha's demise...    --   David J. Dachterau dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:19:34 -0600h1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>tY Subject: Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" foa' Message-ID: <3E4C6046.E8F9F05E@fsi.net>h   rmk@rmkhome.com wrote: > + > Baby Peanut <baby_p_nut@yahoo.com> wrote:a > E > > BIG BLUE has discontinued efforts to adapt Linux for the Itanium,.E > > according to IDG. IBM spokesman Ron Faveli said "IBM doesn't haveMH > > anyone dedicated to working with Linux on Itanium." Favali proceededE > > to explain, "Our view right now is that Itanium is like a science * > > project. There's not a market for it." > M > I can tell you this. NetBSD runs on more platforms than any other platform,rI > and new ports are always underway. Someone asked about itanic on one ofaL > the NetBSD mailing lists. The answer was something like: "We don't believe: > that there is any great need to do a port at this time."  3 FreeBSD V5.0 is available as an ISO-image for IA64:e  > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-ia64/5.0-RELEASE/   -- i David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:35:39 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> - Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...wK Message-ID: <LaN2a.672898$F2h1.206528@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>p  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E4AFEBA.22B88569@fsi.net...e >hE > In other words, they chucked the paddles and now find themselves upj theR" > creek and heading for the falls. >  > Did anyone bring a parachute?- > + > ...besides the ivory tower types, I mean?l  4 A few people along the way did... GQ Bob, and Curly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:42:44 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i- Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5 years ...e' Message-ID: <3E4C57A4.44DD9608@fsi.net>r   John Smith wrote:! > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3E4AFEBA.22B88569@fsi.net...d > >.G > > In other words, they chucked the paddles and now find themselves upc > thep$ > > creek and heading for the falls. > >f! > > Did anyone bring a parachute?  > >r- > > ...besides the ivory tower types, I mean?O > 6 > A few people along the way did... GQ Bob, and Curly.  $ ...besides the ivory tower types...?   -- w David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:38:43 -0500t+ From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> ) Subject: Re: Java & OSU Web Server on VMSm/ Message-ID: <3E4B91D3.5040001@ceris.purdue.edu>e   Alan,    Thank you for your reply.    Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:08:33 -0500s; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> F Subject: Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available$ Message-ID: <3e4bed26$1@news.si.com>  I >Our original goal for Kerberos for OpenVMS V2.0 was to align it with thes >release of OpenVMS 7.3-2h5 >and to have a VAX port done by the time 7.3-2 ships.d  H I simply don't understand this.  If you write it in, say, C, then if youH haven't DELIBERATELY added things to it that are Alpha-specific, it willI just compile and run on VAX as well as Alpha.  The "build environment" isyH identical on ANY VMS platform.  All have CMS/MMS.  All have C compilers.D All have Bliss.  I just don't understand why HP people insist it's a "different" environment. -- aI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comy5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991r8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:10:00 -0500h; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com>SF Subject: Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available$ Message-ID: <3e4bed7d$1@news.si.com>  L >We're working on the VAX port, and we'll let you know as soon as it's ready fori >field test.  L ???   Port it to one, and you've automatically ported it to the other.  It's OpenVMS.  Just recompile it. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comD5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.d@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991s8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 14:28:01 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)gF Subject: Re: Kerberos T2.0 field test kit for hp OpenVMS now available3 Message-ID: <Sjn5TIq3+PyE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3e4bed26$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:J >>Our original goal for Kerberos for OpenVMS V2.0 was to align it with the >>release of OpenVMS 7.3-26 >>and to have a VAX port done by the time 7.3-2 ships. > J > I simply don't understand this.  If you write it in, say, C, then if youJ > haven't DELIBERATELY added things to it that are Alpha-specific, it willK > just compile and run on VAX as well as Alpha.  The "build environment" isuJ > identical on ANY VMS platform.  All have CMS/MMS.  All have C compilers.F > All have Bliss.  I just don't understand why HP people insist it's a > "different" environment.  H I think you underestimate the amount of testing in which VMS Development gets involved.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:57:40 -060011 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 4 Subject: Re: ODS-2 read/write filesystem for Linux ?' Message-ID: <3E4C5B24.E80C23BB@fsi.net>t   Roar Throns wrote:e > & > Jonas Lindholm <jlhm@usa.net> wrote: > : Hi!> > = > : I've just announced my ODS2 file system module for Linux. G > : The current version can read stream and variable record type files.s > L > Have you figured out exactly how indexed and relative files are structured > yet? > ( > Do you have any current documentation?  * Well, ODS (the "filesystem") is one thing.  4 RMS (the "file system") is another critter entirely.   -- d David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:04:36 -0500e* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot press releasee2 Message-ID: <yaadnXeFkq1d09GjXTWcqw@metrocast.net>  D "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.homeportal.2wire.net> wrote in message& news:Nya2a.73644$be.55987@rwcrnsc53...@ > In article <MLqcnXuNk7TRvdSjXTWc3w@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd"  <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > > C > >"Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in messagec' > >news:b2atvh$n9l$1@web1.cup.hp.com...t > >> Folks,i > >>6 > >> We have come to an impasse, the newsgroup and me. > >>I > >> I can either wait until stuff shows up on the official HP site's andc then2 > >> post it or I can post it as soon as I get it. > >yJ > >Posting was not the problem:  calling it a 'press release' was - unlessJ > >you're saying that some time very soon it will appear in the section of HP'sL > >Web site where it places copies of material that it actually sends to the= > >press, in which case just making that clear would be fine.l >sJ > There *is* a link to what looks like a "press release" on the same page: > L > http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/download/OpenVMSbootmedia.pdf >t > Does that count?  L Not unless it was actually released to the press in some useful way (and no,I it doesn't appear in the current list of press releases HP claims to have A sent out - see the 'press releases' section of their 'newsroom').s   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:01:12 GMT 7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)e' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot press release-. Message-ID: <YZY2a.104609$vm2.59330@rwcrnsc54>  _ In article <yaadnXeFkq1d09GjXTWcqw@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:r > E >"Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.homeportal.2wire.net> wrote in messageE' >news:Nya2a.73644$be.55987@rwcrnsc53...a <snip>>pK >> There *is* a link to what looks like a "press release" on the same page:> >>M >> http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/download/OpenVMSbootmedia.pdfc >> >> Does that count?  > M >Not unless it was actually released to the press in some useful way (and no,tJ >it doesn't appear in the current list of press releases HP claims to haveB >sent out - see the 'press releases' section of their 'newsroom').  M True, and a cursory search of Google references no "outside" mentions of thishJ event.  I also checked Yahoo!, in their financial section under HP - nada.  K So, it looks as though the only "outside" mentions (so far) are limited to:.   CNET /. the inquirer OpenVMS.org   . Perhaps others will find "outside" references.   >r >- billf >  >l >l  A _________________________________________________________________f0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:10:15 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retais8 Message-ID: <ibrn4vk7b2no3ujcuoihf6g8oob2enhlkl@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:04:03 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyC. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:     >> aB >NO I didn't I claimed that customers had issues with GS160 vs 140$ >performance and that claim is true. >rI >I am also offering to supply you with an actual example of a UK retailereH >who made a significant GS320 investment, who subsequently had to switchD >platforms because of these issues, about as extreme as you can get. >,D >Conduct your poll if you like, its hardly going to prove much. VeryB >few people a prepared to admit publically that they purchased the! >wrong system and had to dump it.o >h [etc.]  5 You backpedal more than anyone I've ever seen before.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:33:55 -0500 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>n2 Subject: RE: Photographs of VMS booting on ItaniumK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BC9@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   8 "Bob Koehler"  [koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]  > In article <v4l10mm46nlh13@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:s   > D > Geez, couldn't they find something other than Windows to use for a console?  A "Bob Koehler"  [koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org] replied:i  D    Read between the lines:  by using Windows as a VMS system console2    they're declaring it to be obsolete technology.    $ What would you guys have them use?     A VT terminal, perhaps?  1  3 What sort of message would *that* send to the PHBs?2   ========================  William W. Webb- EMS Operations  OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS' 4924 Green Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2800y
 919.874.3043  * <FirstInitialLastNameAtEMAILDotUSPSDotGOV>   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:24:48 GMTw# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on ItaniumG Message-ID: <QWU2a.42807$Qf1.2249@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>M  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote in0 message news:3e4bc111$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com... >C? > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messageh+ > news:3E4AAA6A.608081E2@vl.videotron.ca...h > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > >n. > > > The Register (to give credit) points to: > > >  > > ><9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/02/11/2398316e > >a> > > Horror ! The thing booted with a microsoft windows used as console. HOW > DARE	 > > YOU !d > >rC > > And besides, how do we know the output wasn't faked ? It should  have > booted/ > > from an original VT220 to be authentic. :-)  > > D > > Also, the directory command is incomplete since it does not show thee	 > current 4 > > directory prior to displaying the list of files. > >s > >M > > A few comments:o > >eD > > It should not be "OpenVMS (TM) Itanium Operating System".  Since Itanium  > is aA > > the current brand name for the current generation of IA64, ita	 should be  > VMSf > > (IA64) on the message. > >i >s? > Actually, I believe you are wrong here.  IA64 is discouraged.n ItaniumaD > Family Processor is how the chips are described.  But we are still? > struggling to figure out what we use.  We use OpenVMS VAX and 
 OpenVMS AlpharB > today, but we can't use OpenVMS Itanium - so it may be something like) > OpenVMS for Itanium or some such thing.h > - > Of course, *I* like iVMS (the i is silent).1    F Of course these are effectively 'alpha' version chips, so why not call
 it Alpha/VMS?:   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:35:58 -0400h0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium. Message-ID: <3E4C2BDD.7BD0655@vl.videotron.ca>   Nic Clews wrote:E > For the purposes of capturing diagnostic information, I prefer thisa > method than using paper.  7 Still no excuse to use a windows laptop. Consider this:i  M It is bad enough VMS is tortured and forced to boot onto an enemy Intel chip, I but you then make matters worse by surrounding it with yet another ennemy-M Intel processor and force the output of struggling VMS to go trhough the Evilo operating system.K  4 Don't they have laws against such software torture ?      J Serously, you should have had a read VT 220 terttminal hooked to that IA64N box, and hook the laptop to the printer port of the VT220 and hide the laptop.M Or better yet, route the output of the printer port to a DECterm session on a  real workstation for logging.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:02:01 +0000i( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium) Message-ID: <3E4BB369.82C84388@127.0.0.1>-   David Michaels wrote:e >  > Bob Koehler wrote: > >m[ > > In article <v4l10mm46nlh13@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:a > >  > > >-Q > > > Geez, couldn't they find something other than Windows to use for a console?  > >tH > >    Read between the lines:  by using Windows as a VMS system console6 > >    they're declaring it to be obsolete technology. >  > Hi > F > Why are they even using a console ? Doesn't the Itanium have a videoC > card ? Seems like they could have plugged a monitor straight intoo	 > it.....i > E > Sorry if this sounds dumb....I just don't see the purpose of laptop3  F If you'd read some of the other thread related to this, you'd see thatF the IPF has both graphics and serial console, details are at the Intel developer website.  C For the purposes of capturing diagnostic information, I prefer this1 method than using paper.   -- >? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencese nclews at csc dot com2   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:41:31 -0500w, From: David Michaels <michaedi@email.uc.edu>2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium, Message-ID: <3E4C494B.4A22B0E8@email.uc.edu>   GreyCloud wrote: >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > >o? > > > I've never seen DECWindows in person and was wondering ifc? > > > the fonts are clean or jagged like all the UNIX CDEs I've  > > > seen.e > >tI > > They look clean to me, certainly cleaner than the horrible mess linuxt > > comes with by default. > >t > > > Thanks.  All I needed to know.  Solaris x86 fonts are jagged > and messy, just like Linux.     F It sounds like you are talking about Netscape 4.7x... The fonts in theD newer versions look better... If your talking about fonts in X their totally configureable..      David Michaels david.michaels@uc.edue   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2003 20:19 CDTa' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins),2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium- Message-ID: <13FEB200320193605@gerg.tamu.edu>t  5 David Michaels <michaedi@ucrwcu.rwc.uc.edu> writes... E }Why are they even using a console ? Doesn't the Itanium have a videoCB }card ? Seems like they could have plugged a monitor straight into }it..... } D }Sorry if this sounds dumb....I just don't see the purpose of laptop }  }David Michaels  }david.michaels@uc.edu  % Which do you suppose is easier to do:u 1) get a serial port working or 2) get a graphics card working?e  F It's the first boot. Very little beyond what was required to get it to  this point is done. (Well, duh!)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:56:20 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>u2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium' Message-ID: <3E4C5AD4.54E7692D@fsi.net>l  
 VAXVMS wrote:c > : > "Bob Koehler"  [koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org] > @ > In article <v4l10mm46nlh13@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" > <John@mvpsi.com>	 > writes:  >  > >lF > > Geez, couldn't they find something other than Windows to use for a
 > console? > C > "Bob Koehler"  [koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org] replied:  > F >    Read between the lines:  by using Windows as a VMS system console4 >    they're declaring it to be obsolete technology. > $ > What would you guys have them use? >  > A VT terminal, perhaps?  > 5 > What sort of message would *that* send to the PHBs?w  C Well, to me, a VT525 is a VXT follow-on that never was. So, a VT525-. might have been doable, to some degree, IMO...   -- 2 David J. Dachtera@ dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:25:47 -0800D" From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium( Message-ID: <3E4C6FCB.46A526F2@mist.com>   David Michaels wrote:o >  > >p@ > > Thanks.  All I needed to know.  Solaris x86 fonts are jagged > > and messy, just like Linux.e > H > It sounds like you are talking about Netscape 4.7x... The fonts in theF > newer versions look better... If your talking about fonts in X their > totally configureable..   7 The fonts on Solaris 8 x86 are not that eye appealing. r9 There is only a couple of fonts worth looking at.  That's 4 why I was hoping someone might have a screen shot of DECWindows to compare.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:14:22 -0500B( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium, Message-ID: <3E4C6D1E.9060000@tsoft-inc.com>   > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > & > We use OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha) >>today, but we can't use OpenVMS Itanium     . This caught my eye.  The question is, why not?   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:54:21 -0600o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>s2 Subject: Re: Photographs of VMS booting on Itanium' Message-ID: <3E4C5A5D.F429B955@fsi.net>4   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > ? > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagee+ > news:3E4AAA6A.608081E2@vl.videotron.ca.... > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > > . > > > The Register (to give credit) points to: > > >hG > > >         http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/02/11/2398316a > >cK > > Horror ! The thing booted with a microsoft windows used as console. HOWo > DARE	 > > YOU !s > >dH > > And besides, how do we know the output wasn't faked ? It should have > booted/ > > from an original VT220 to be authentic. :-)  > > H > > Also, the directory command is incomplete since it does not show the	 > current 4 > > directory prior to displaying the list of files. > >e > >h > > A few comments:w > >gL > > It should not be "OpenVMS (TM) Itanium Operating System".  Since Itanium > is aK > > the current brand name for the current generation of IA64, it should bee > VMSu > > (IA64) on the message. > >s > H > Actually, I believe you are wrong here.  IA64 is discouraged.  ItaniumD > Family Processor is how the chips are described.  But we are stillM > struggling to figure out what we use.  We use OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS AlphapG > today, but we can't use OpenVMS Itanium - so it may be something likee) > OpenVMS for Itanium or some such thing.  > - > Of course, *I* like iVMS (the i is silent).n  5 Actually, I was expecting a three-letter designation:   	 VAX = VAXo AXP = Alphae IPF = Intanic Processor Family   ...and of course...    HPF = Hammer Processor Familyo   -- e David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systems5 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/0   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:09:28 +0000 (UTC)t. From: Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com>- Subject: Re: Read/Write from a global section , Message-ID: <b2h1i8$1vo$1@reader1.panix.com>  R On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:33:01 -0000, Matt Tyler <matt_tyler@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:M > I am having problems writing /reading from a VAX VMS global section. I havesN > posted two small Pascal test programs to write/read to/from element one of aN > ten element integer array. I have checked previous posts but cannot work outH > why I am only reading zeros from the global section. Any help would be > appreciated. >...$ > {****************WRITE***********} >...% >   err := $CRMPSC(inadr  := IN_ADDR,aD >                  flags  := SEC$M_GBL + SEC$M_DZRO + SEC$M_EXPREG + > SEC$M_PAGFIL, ( >                  gsdnam := 'SHARED_X', >                  chan   := 0,l  >                  pagcnt := 1); >...! > {**************READ***********} % >   err := $CRMPSC(inadr  := IN_ADDR, 4 >                  flags  := SEC$M_GBL + SEC$M_WRT +F >                            SEC$M_DZRO + SEC$M_EXPREG + SEC$M_PAGFIL,( >                  gsdnam := 'SHARED_X', >                  chan   := 0,-  >                  pagcnt := 1); >...  B We do this, but our reader tasks use $MPGBLSC, not $CRMPSC.  Your ! reader is setting SEC$M_WRT, why?s   -- p7 Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> (lose the Q's)8   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 17:29:15 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Read/Write from a global section:3 Message-ID: <pjX+fsk4AvmQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>x  U In article <3E4BFF09.6F336235@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:n  F > Also, I don't know Pascal, but it looks like you're not matching the? > params correctly. i.e. pagcnt s/b arg #9, not arg #5 - yes???j > D > SYS$CRMPSC [inadr] ,[retadr] ,[acmode] ,[flags] ,[gsdnam] ,[ident]4 > ,[relpag] ,[chan] ,[pagcnt] ,[vbn] ,[prot] ,[pfc]   C That is the beauty of Pascal, and Ada, and the Bliss keyword macrospA for Starlet.  You don't have to present the arguments in order orh/ contiguously, so long as you specify the names..  I I am continually amazed by what people put up with from lesser languages.l  & >>   err := $CRMPSC(inadr  := IN_ADDR,E >>                  flags  := SEC$M_GBL + SEC$M_DZRO + SEC$M_EXPREG +E >> SEC$M_PAGFIL,) >>                  gsdnam := 'SHARED_X',   >>                  chan   := 0,! >>                  pagcnt := 1);    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:34:40 -0000e! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> - Subject: Re: Read/Write from a global sectionn/ Message-ID: <v4oed0nfc2pq2d@corp.supernews.com>   . Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:E :> SYS$CRMPSC [inadr] ,[retadr] ,[acmode] ,[flags] ,[gsdnam] ,[ident] 5 :> ,[relpag] ,[chan] ,[pagcnt] ,[vbn] ,[prot] ,[pfc] I  E : That is the beauty of Pascal, and Ada, and the Bliss keyword macros-C : for Starlet.  You don't have to present the arguments in order orm1 : contiguously, so long as you specify the names.a  K : I am continually amazed by what people put up with from lesser languages.6  4 That's not beauty, it's 6' of rope to hang yourself.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:21:35 GMTe' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>s- Subject: Re: Read/Write from a global sectione+ Message-ID: <3E4BFF09.6F336235@pacbell.net>   # Try removing the SEC$M_EXPREG flag.e  D Also, I don't know Pascal, but it looks like you're not matching the= params correctly. i.e. pagcnt s/b arg #9, not arg #5 - yes???a  B SYS$CRMPSC [inadr] ,[retadr] ,[acmode] ,[flags] ,[gsdnam] ,[ident]2 ,[relpag] ,[chan] ,[pagcnt] ,[vbn] ,[prot] ,[pfc]    Dons Have VMS, Will Travelt Wire paladin (ATalphaseDOTcom)
 San Francisco      Matt Tyler wrote:  > M > I am having problems writing /reading from a VAX VMS global section. I have-N > posted two small Pascal test programs to write/read to/from element one of aN > ten element integer array. I have checked previous posts but cannot work outH > why I am only reading zeros from the global section. Any help would be > appreciated. >  > Cheers >  > Matt > $ > {****************WRITE***********} > ! > inherit ('SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET',l/ >           'SYS$LIBRARY:PASCAL$LIB_ROUTINES')]  > & > PROGRAM SHARED_WRITE(INPUT, OUTPUT); > TYPE >    int_pointer = ^INTEGER; > VARw@ >   GS_ARRAY : [VOLATILE, ALIGNED(13)] ARRAY [1..10] OF INTEGER;+ >   IN_ADDR  : ARRAY [1..2] OF int_pointer;i >   err      : INTEGER;n >   i_count  : INTEGER;  > $ > [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL (LIB$WAIT)]( > FUNCTION lib$wait(seconds    : SINGLE;6 >                   flags      : UNSIGNED := %IMMED 0;K >                   float_type : UNSIGNED := %IMMED 0) : INTEGER; EXTERNAL;n >  > BEGINh( >   IN_ADDR[1] := ADDRESS (GS_ARRAY[1]);) >   IN_ADDR[2] := ADDRESS (GS_ARRAY[10]);b > % >   err := $CRMPSC(inadr  := IN_ADDR,nD >                  flags  := SEC$M_GBL + SEC$M_DZRO + SEC$M_EXPREG + > SEC$M_PAGFIL,1( >                  gsdnam := 'SHARED_X', >                  chan   := 0,:  >                  pagcnt := 1); > 8 >   IF (err <> SS$_CREATED) AND (err <> SS$_NORMAL) THEN	 >   BEGINr' >      WRITELN(' Unable to map to GS');  >      LIB$STOP(err);s >   END  >   ELSE	 >   BEGINx  >      FOR i_count := 1 to 60 DO >      BEGIN9 >         WRITELN('GS_ARRAY now equals : ', GS_ARRAY[1]);c >         lib$wait(5.0); >      END;  >   END; > END. > ! > {**************READ***********}t > " > [inherit ('SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET',/ >           'SYS$LIBRARY:PASCAL$LIB_ROUTINES')]e > & > PROGRAM SHARED_WRITE(INPUT, OUTPUT); > TYPE >    int_pointer = ^INTEGER; > VAR @ >   GS_ARRAY : [VOLATILE, ALIGNED(13)] ARRAY [1..10] OF INTEGER;+ >   IN_ADDR  : ARRAY [1..2] OF int_pointer;t >   err      : INTEGER;q >   i_count  : INTEGER;o > $ > [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL (LIB$WAIT)]( > FUNCTION lib$wait(seconds    : SINGLE;6 >                   flags      : UNSIGNED := %IMMED 0;K >                   float_type : UNSIGNED := %IMMED 0) : INTEGER; EXTERNAL;w >  > BEGIN ( >   IN_ADDR[1] := ADDRESS (GS_ARRAY[1]);) >   IN_ADDR[2] := ADDRESS (GS_ARRAY[10]);R > % >   err := $CRMPSC(inadr  := IN_ADDR,t4 >                  flags  := SEC$M_GBL + SEC$M_WRT +F >                            SEC$M_DZRO + SEC$M_EXPREG + SEC$M_PAGFIL,( >                  gsdnam := 'SHARED_X', >                  chan   := 0,,  >                  pagcnt := 1); > 8 >   IF (err <> SS$_CREATED) AND (err <> SS$_NORMAL) THEN	 >   BEGIN 1 >      WRITELN(' Error creating /mapping to GS');r >      LIB$STOP(err);e >   ENDr >   ELSE	 >   BEGINi  >      FOR i_count := 1 to 10 DO >      BEGIN! >         GS_ARRAY[1] := i_count;e< >         WRITELN('GS_ARRAY[1] now equals : ', GS_ARRAY[1]); >         lib$wait(30.0);s >      END;S >   END; > END.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:30:28 +0100i2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)- Subject: Re: Read/Write from a global sectiond; Message-ID: <3e4c7ef4.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>i  ! Z (zarlenga@conan.ids.net) wrote:s0 > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:G > :> SYS$CRMPSC [inadr] ,[retadr] ,[acmode] ,[flags] ,[gsdnam] ,[ident]n7 > :> ,[relpag] ,[chan] ,[pagcnt] ,[vbn] ,[prot] ,[pfc] k > :aG > : That is the beauty of Pascal, and Ada, and the Bliss keyword macros  > : for Starlet.   Don't forget Macro.o  7 > : You don't have to present the arguments in order orc3 > : contiguously, so long as you specify the names.p > :cM > : I am continually amazed by what people put up with from lesser languages.r >a6 > That's not beauty, it's 6' of rope to hang yourself.  G I certainly find the named parameter syntax easier to read - than to gomB to the manual every time to find out what the parameters mean (for# functions you don't use every day).   E And it surely is much less error prone when functions have more than,i say, seven or eight parameters.e   cu,n   Martin --  G So long, and thanks        | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmert4 for all the books...       | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK In Memoriam Douglas Adams  |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/u;             1952-2001      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de'   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 23:03:20 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>J Subject: Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMSD Message-ID: <20030213150442.59AFEA36.NOFFLE@momos.conceptual.net.au>  9 pechter@shell.monmouth.com (Bill/Carolyn Pechter) writes:   V > In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660D54@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>,( > Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:	 > >David,   5 > >>>> Heartbreak Deja Vu: Ever drop an RP06 pack?<<<i  D > >Heartbreak is being a FE on call on Friday night and hoping it isB > >going to be a quiet weekend as you have lots of stuff to do and= > >then getting the following call from some mission criticaltF > >customers operator - "well, there was a strange noise coming out ofA > >this one RP0x, drive, so I moved the pack to each of the othereC > >drives we had and now they are all making noises .. Any idea's?"a  nE > >Weekend is now shot and around the clock job starts to replace allpF > >the heads on all the Customers drives where that Operator moved theD > >bad pack to. First task is to stop and pick up baseball bat as it; > >will be involved in the first task when you get on site./  6 > Can I borrow the bat for Fort Monmouth, NJ.  Please.  p; > They needed a clue bat pretty bad down there in the 80's.   tB > Had a customer at the Fort do something as annoying.  All 6 dual@ > port RP06's went "unsafe" and faulted and the two VAX 11/780'sE > didn't boot at Fort Monmouth after some building maintenance and iti> > was an "emergency" and there was 2 hour DECservice response.  F I felt like some one should have used one on me years ago. Called intoB a govt dept that had an 11/70 with RM03s. Caa't remember why I wasB there, but we went into the comp room for some reason. As we whereA there, a huge noise came for one of the RM03s :( There was only a2. small sonic boom as I hit the off-line button.  C After we went over anything, it turned out to be a cable label thatlC was just touching the drive belt went it felt like it and the phaseo off the moon was right..  ? Now I had a perfectly good 11/70, with M+, and a almost perfectnF drive. It was only missing the VolValid bit :( Did I ever feel like an idiot...   -- v< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:12:50 -0500M% From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@hp.com>uJ Subject: Re: RP06's and Field Service calls -- was Very large disks on VMS& Message-ID: <3E4BEE32.632676FD@hp.com>  F Back many years :*) I was looking to leave RM02/03/05/80 manufacturingC in CXO and went to NYC for an interview for a large disk specialist D position.  Well my interview consisted of going on a call to FashionF Institute of Technology for a bad disk.  Turns out it was an RM03 w/ aA head crash.  Took me all of 15 min as I used to do many many headbE replacements & alignments in CXO.  Needless to say I got the job ;*)  C Amazing for a young man who grew up in a town of ~500 to be in NYC.-   -- -C Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY 0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or so  	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:56:37 -0500uA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> ( Subject: Re: The importance of marketing, Message-ID: <3e4bc036_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  J I'd contact Sue Skonetski as a first step, just to make sure you are added to any appropriate collateral.      = "Phil Jamieson" <philj@softwarepartners.com> wrote in messagej7 news:bf9485d6.0302121228.3fd8946e@posting.google.com...t > >NJ > > Many people/customers will not be buying SAP, but they will be reading) > > eWeek and other similar publications,  >o@ > Let's say a once-big DEC ISV wanted to market its flagship VMSH > products again (yep, we're here, supporting our VMS products all theseA > years), to VMS people of the current generation...what ARE they:A > reading nowadays (that's affordable for advertisers)?  Anybody?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:46:00 -0500A& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>( Subject: Re: The importance of marketing8 Message-ID: <pdtn4vc6lgua8jvu93leoijd10fcpq8qp1@4ax.com>  ? On 12 Feb 2003 12:28:08 -0800, philj@softwarepartners.com (Phili Jamieson) wrote:   >> DI >> Many people/customers will not be buying SAP, but they will be readingd) >> eWeek and other similar publications,   >m? >Let's say a once-big DEC ISV wanted to market its flagship VMS G >products again (yep, we're here, supporting our VMS products all thesee@ >years), to VMS people of the current generation...what ARE they@ >reading nowadays (that's affordable for advertisers)?  Anybody?  ? Wow!  Hey Phil, how's it going?  Met you once or twice at DECUS E symposia when I used to work for a large chemical manufacturer out ofe	 Michigan.f  ! Good to hear you're still around.e  	 -- jl sue    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:11:45 +0000 (UTC)d, From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)1 Subject: Re: UCX XDM, Linux vncserver -- working!.. Message-ID: <b2h1mh$mks$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes in article <N3f2a.278620$xv1.3262069@news.chello.at> dated Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:47:09 GMT:i >yD >Check again the XDM configuration files in SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$XDM]A >namely the XACCESS.TXT XDM_CONFIG.CONF XDM_KEYS.TXT XSERVERS.TXT   F Fixing up those files did it, thanks for the pointers to everybody who replied!  K There was a 3-minute delay at first; evidently the VMS XDM server responded-H before the Linux box got to the "xhost +" command in ~/.vnc/xstartup andJ then didn't check again for 180 seconds.  When I changed to "vncserver -ac% -query vms-host" the delay went away.l  I Keymapping was quite an adventure -- some keys can't be remapped inside a-J vncserver so you have to map them at the linux console X-server level; andI there are other keys that you really need different for Linux vs. VMS, so G those you have to map at the vncserver level.  I'll post or e-mail moreiE details if there is interest.  See my sig for my real e-mail address.l  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:47:02 -0600g1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i1 Subject: Re: UCX XDM, Linux vncserver -- working!i' Message-ID: <3E4C58A6.2179EC74@fsi.net>r   "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:h >  > peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes in article <N3f2a.278620$xv1.3262069@news.chello.at> dated Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:47:09 GMT:e > > F > >Check again the XDM configuration files in SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$XDM]C > >namely the XACCESS.TXT XDM_CONFIG.CONF XDM_KEYS.TXT XSERVERS.TXTi > H > Fixing up those files did it, thanks for the pointers to everybody who
 > replied! > M > There was a 3-minute delay at first; evidently the VMS XDM server responded:J > before the Linux box got to the "xhost +" command in ~/.vnc/xstartup andL > then didn't check again for 180 seconds.  When I changed to "vncserver -ac' > -query vms-host" the delay went away.w > K > Keymapping was quite an adventure -- some keys can't be remapped inside adL > vncserver so you have to map them at the linux console X-server level; andK > there are other keys that you really need different for Linux vs. VMS, so I > those you have to map at the vncserver level.  I'll post or e-mail moreiG > details if there is interest.  See my sig for my real e-mail address.   C If you have a web site, may I suggest posting the details there and' posting a link to the group?   -- - David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems3 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/f   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:37:12 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com><% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now available"K Message-ID: <ccN2a.672912$F2h1.562611@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>r  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in messagef# news:3E4B64D7.386DA363@127.0.0.1...o > Larry wrote: > >.: > > The next screensaver is available now! Check it out at2 > > www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25th/index.html >a  > Hey! I can put my shades away! >i? > VAXman's right, it does pay to have a moan, people listen ande respond, > thanks again!     F That same sentiment appears not to apply to VMS advertising, marketing and sales to new customers.    Exception proven. Q.E.D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:04:30 +0000u' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk>e8 Subject: VMS documentation (OT feeble attempt at humour)2 Message-ID: <130220032004305522%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  3 I was googling to find out when 5.1 was superseded./ Imagine my delight to find:   D "The Voynich Manuscript(VMS) has been deemed first time as "The MostC Mysterious Manuscript in the World" by Harper's Monthly magazine inoF 1921. The manuscript is a 246 page quarto which is relatively small inC dimensions, 15 by 22 centimeters and accumulates around 40 thousanddE words[1]. 33 pages contain text only, 212 with text and drawings[2].    G The title, author(s), language and the alphabet is unknown. The subject F is also unknown but as surmised from the variety of illustrations, the= text is considered to be sectioned into herbal, astronomical,/B biological, pharmaceutical and recipe parts (although this doesn't? guarantee that these are the subject matter of the sections)."    ( at http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~tugba/voynich/  ) I think it must have been the teco manualo   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 20:18:26 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)Y Subject: Whatever happened to ... "Crashless Windows", and [OT] Solar Toxic Waste Processd= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0302132018.49c3ddef@posting.google.com>w   Hello,  ? According to the Google way-back machine, David Beatty wrote...s  5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>s Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsm  Subject: OT: "Crashless Windows"% Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:38:35 -0500l# [... remaining headers omitted ...]t  B     There is an interesting blurb in the "Positive Plenum" section; of the Objective American for Wednesday, February 13, 2002;a9 it can be accessed from http://www.objectiveamerican.com. : A former Digital employee, Robert Glorioso, has created an8 inexpensive way to couple up to four Windows servers and< do so with five-9s uptime, at a cost of $20K to $100K.  The : configuration is called Endurance.  One wonders if he used< ideas from VMS clusters?  At any rate, it should prove to be interesting.   David R. Beattyd  (                                --- o ---  A OK. So, I have yet to see or hear of anyone using this. Did it gotF kablooey? Why? A co-worker told me Stratus sells "crashproof Windows",E but I bet it costs a lot. Comments, or even better, answers, or still  better, correct answers? :-)  = [OT:] And what about that other wonder, using solar energy tooD de-toxify any toxic waste. I saw that on TV at least twice. Yeah, itB was quite a few years ago. But the reports (I forgot what programsC they were on) claimed that we could use this amazing new process todD make any toxic waste harmless and do it at low cost. Well, I haven'tE seen this come to fruition. Does anyone happen to know what the storyaE is? (No, it wasn't an infomercial for waste management executives!!!)n   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman3   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:39:49 -0500 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>t- Subject: Where to find Oracle RDB informationo/ Message-ID: <_9O2a.152$aT3.20@news.cpqcorp.net>s  1 From: Bill Gettys [mailto:Bill.Gettys@Oracle.com]e  * Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:39 PM    Sure!!!!!!h   Take a look at our web site:   http://www.oracle.com/rdb/  I We hold a series of Technical Forums around the world. Presentations froml these    are available at,i  L http://www.oracle.com/rdb/tech_forums/index.html?rdb_forum_slides_idx_2002.h tmlh  B You might also be interested in the collection of white papers at,  = http://www.oracle.com/rdb/rdb_journal/index.html?content.html_       Regards,   Bill   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 14:24:42 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Where to find Oracle RDB information 3 Message-ID: <Y9Pzf5Gx1mZQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3E4BD797.8040900@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:n > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > i >>In article <_9O2a.152$aT3.20@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:n >>   >>4 >>>From: Bill Gettys [mailto:Bill.Gettys@Oracle.com] >>> - >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:39 PM  >>>  >>> Sure!!!!!! >>>l >>>Take a look at our web site:  >>>l >>>http://www.oracle.com/rdb/o >>>    i >>>c >>0 >>That URL does not work from a secured browser. >>   >>I > Javascript is NOT insecure, Java and ActiveX yes, but not Jacascript!  uK > Don't want to believe that, then spend some time investigating it but in rG > every CERT advisory, the key component was NOT Javascript but rather d@ > that the applications were running Microcrap IE or Outloose...  I Two years ago at the RSA Security Conference I sat through a presentation3H of security holes that Netscape had fixed.  I was hoping to learn how toH make my browsing more secure, but unfortunately Every Single Problem wasH related to JavaScript, so I was already as safe as could be learned from
 that lecture.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2003 16:11:14 -0800( From: baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)G Subject: Win32 Binaries of SIMH/VAX (uVAX 3900 emulator) Version 2.10-3b< Message-ID: <c5cf6e8.0302131611.78e3aa24@posting.google.com>  : Yet another update of SIMH/VAX was released on 7-Feb-2003.  D I have updated my build of SIMH/VAX for Win32 with ethernet support.  / All the notes are a README on the web site now.p  $ http://www.tubas.net/~kstailey/simh/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.089 ************************OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS' 4924 Green Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2800y
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