0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 15 Feb 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 92      Contents:( ANN: New (changed) OpenVMS Message Board8 DEC's "Ultrix connection" ?? What is now called TCP/IP ?% Re: EV79:  another broken commitment? + FTP logging: TCPIP$FTPD_LOG_CLIENT_ACTIVITY 6 Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily6 Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily; Re: How to Avoid the Almost Certain End of Sun Microsystems ; Re: How to Avoid the Almost Certain End of Sun Microsystems M Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" M Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" P Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" foP Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" fo( Re: Where to find Oracle RDB information  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2003 06:26:00 -0800- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) 1 Subject: ANN: New (changed) OpenVMS Message Board = Message-ID: <3ff5fed3.0302150626.2257859e@posting.google.com>   6 Hello.  For several years now, I've run a VMS freeware9 message board.  I just changed the message board software : I used to run the board and have opened it up to any topic relating to OpenVMS.  6 You can find the main link to the message board on the. Process Software OpenVMS Resource Center page:   http://www.process.com/openvms/   $ Or you can go directly to the board:  0 http://www.goatley.com/scripts/vmsboard/view.com   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 8 goathunter@goatley.com,   http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:24:44 +0200 % From: "Mariuz" <mariuz@stop.spam.org> A Subject: DEC's "Ultrix connection" ?? What is now called TCP/IP ? : Message-ID: <pan.2003.02.15.12.24.44.122856@stop.spam.org>  @ I have in the source of something like this www.firebirdsql.org:: (i want to resurect a port to VMS sometimes in the future)    It says '  *	PROGRAM:	JRD Remote Interface/Server   *	MODULE:		ucx.c 1  *	DESCRIPTION:	TCP/UCP/IP Communications module.   ? UCP? Will it be a typo from UDP or a specific variant like IPX? I Second, it contains only wrappers around functions with the vaxc$ prefix,  for example:  ? int ISC_tcp_accept( int s, struct sockaddr *addr, int *addrlen)  { ' /**************************************   *  *	I S C _ t c p _ a c c e p t  *'  **************************************   *  * Functional description #  *	Accept a connection on a socket.   *(  **************************************/  & 	return vaxc$accept(s, addr, addrlen); }     K I have issues with remote/multivx.cpp... I was tempted to remote it in FB1, # but finally chickened out. It says: '  *	PROGRAM:	JRD Remote Interface/Server   *	MODULE:		winvx.c +  *	DESCRIPTION:	Interface to Wollongong TCP   K Probably it was offered in several platforms, but from my memory and if I'm F not wrong, I only remember Wollongong TCP as an add-on for Windows for Workgroups.   F TCP won the battle as the de-facto protocol for WAN's, do we need thisC specific implementation? Is Wollonwong version used in any platform A currently? It seems mainly related to VMS and those sys$qio(...), E sys$hiber() and sys$wake() calls certainly are mystery for me. Latest J references I found in the net are from 1988, except for a person wanted to try an old VAX in 1994.      UCX -      DEC's "Ultrix connection"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:45:28 +0200 % From: "Mariuz" <mariuz@stop.spam.org> . Subject: Re: EV79:  another broken commitment?: Message-ID: <pan.2003.02.15.12.45.28.272734@stop.spam.org>  3 and people wonder why customers go to ibm route ...  Hmmm... I ps: alpha still lives somewhere in the future processors like : itanic 3,  k8 and power4 (?) = anyone have a ideea of what ev9 should looked like if lived ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 06:25:10 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>4 Subject: FTP logging: TCPIP$FTPD_LOG_CLIENT_ACTIVITY/ Message-ID: <3E4E1582.E0682229@vl.videotron.ca>   I Didn't find this is the documentation,  but looking at the FTP_SERVER.EXE ! file, I found what seems to work.   = To log transactions or remote users doing FTP on your system:   2 $DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$FTPD_LOG_CLIENT_ACTIVITY TRUE  G This will result in the SYS$LOGIN:TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.LOG files containing  details of transactions.   Here is an example output:8 --------------------------------------------------------6 FTP Login request received at Sat Feb 15 01:41:00 2003; from remote IPv6 address 0:0:0:0:0:ffff:10.0.0.13 port 1988 # UserAlias:jfmezei  UserName:jfmezei 1 ProcName:TCPIP$FTPC0005F  AnonUser:0  MultiLine:1 8 --------------------------------------------------------   >>> 230 User logged in.  <<< PASV1 >>> 227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,0,10,197,107) 
 <<< TYPE I >>> 200 TYPE set to IMAGE.
 <<< CWD [] >>> 250-CWD command successful. 1 >>> 250 New default directory is DKA200:[JFMEZEI]  <<< RETR bmwz8.jpgP >>> 150 Opening data connection for DKA200:[JFMEZEI]BMWZ8.JPG;1 (10.0.0.13,1989)  (160250 bytes)  >>> 226 Transfer complete. <<< QUIT >>> 221 Goodbye.8   JFMEZEI      job terminated at 15-FEB-2003 02:41:03.16    K Oh, an by the way, my newphew set his passwrd to contain a space. Seemed to M work for login, and using a real FTP program. But with netscape with url such M as FTP://user@host , it woudl fail. The above output is what was the big help M since the UserAlias: has his username, but his UserName: contained the second  word of his password.   L What is the official story on passwords that contain a space ? (VAX VMS 7.2)   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:16:02 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ? Subject: Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily 0 Message-ID: <b2kt02$pk7$1@sparta.btinternet.com>   Hi  G > Also, there's nothing to stop your friendly neighborhood cracker from E > writing their own program, linking against your protected shareable I > image, and calling your UWSS to enable privileges in their application.   I They can't link against or lib$fis your UWSS shareable if they don't have H read access to it. Make sure you set w:e then only a privileged user canK link against your code but anyone who can access the main image can execute  it.    Regards Richard Maher    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2003 07:34:54 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ? Subject: Re: Granting privileges to non-priv users, temporarily 3 Message-ID: <XG8vpcQ40+WY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <b2kt02$pk7$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes: > Hi > H >> Also, there's nothing to stop your friendly neighborhood cracker fromF >> writing their own program, linking against your protected shareableJ >> image, and calling your UWSS to enable privileges in their application. > K > They can't link against or lib$fis your UWSS shareable if they don't have J > read access to it. Make sure you set w:e then only a privileged user canM > link against your code but anyone who can access the main image can execute  > it.   I Despite technical correctness, that is a difficult line for some shops to H maintain, which is why I think a protected subsystems approach is better where possible.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:26:58 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>D Subject: Re: How to Avoid the Almost Certain End of Sun Microsystems) Message-ID: <3E4E15F2.9050207@vajhoej.dk>    Rob Young wrote:B > 	Interestingly enough, perhaps the same analysis applies to AIX.  9 True. But IBM customers are usually among the more loyal.    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:23:49 GMT 0 From: rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net (Russell Wallace)D Subject: Re: How to Avoid the Almost Certain End of Sun Microsystems0 Message-ID: <3e4e3026.222599049@news.eircom.net>  D On 14 Feb 2003 20:26:40 -0600, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:   > - >	Very good read found via realworldtech.com.  >  >	Cringely is a wise one.   ? "One way to do that is through a merger, but the logical merger ! partner isn't Apple, it is Sony."    *sweatdrop*   D Why in God's name do people keep coming up with this merger nonsenseB as solutions to companies' problems? Mergers don't solve anything,> they just give you a whole new set of problems to go with your existing ones.  B (The exception is when you have two companies that are in the sameD business and their limiting factor is insufficient economy of scale.B But Sun and Sony are in completely different businesses - CringelyF admits that in the very next paragraph, but he lists it as a reason in _favor_ of a merger. Sigh.)   C Anyway, I don't think Sun needs to change direction. Best chance of > survival is to concentrate on its core area of competence (bigC scalable boxes and a big scalable operating system to go with them) F and maybe try and ditch every cost center that isn't necessary to that
 core area.   --  3 "Mercy to the guilty is treachery to the innocent." + Remove killer rodent from address to reply. ! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2003 23:35:12 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) V Subject: Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it"3 Message-ID: <bABXA8znwIMk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3E4DA572.4080706@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > Rob Young wrote: >  >  > L >>         We'll see if IBM will enjoy making a whole lot less money on AIX G >>         hardware.  I don't see it happening, after all ... they have 1 >> 	to pay for that POWER R&D infrastructure ;-).  >>   >>               >  > S > Well, apparently that POWER R&D is a bit better at it's job than that Intel R&D.    A 	Not at all.  Most of the CPUs sold (>90%) have an Intel label on  	them.  N >   How many years has it been?  How much has Intel sunk into this bottomless 6 >   pit called IA-64?  Who has the most to recuperate?  A 	There aren't too many CPUs that burn up the world at the outset. A 	Four or five years from now they will certainly admit to initial + 	problems.  That or try to rewrite history.    O > Dave, who needs IA-64 to succeed for a while, for VMS, but who really thinks   > that EPIC is a loser.   D 	Give it a couple years.  Look, maybe Intel badly stumbles and drops1 	to 80% of the CPU share in 3 years.  I doubt it.   @ 	You are getting glimpses of where high-end servers are heading.> 	They are heading much cheaper and Unisys and SGI are showing ? 	glimpses of it.  Unisys is selling a 16 processor Itanium with A 	32 GBytes of memory.  That memory costs less than $45000.  It is B 	(as far as I can tell) less than half the cost of high-end memory 	of Sun, IBM, etc.  6 http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030213.html  C 	According to Cringely, look at Sun's choices.  Sun is losing money @ 	big time.  The industry has changed.  And like a recession, you: 	don't know it until you look back and pour over the data.   E 	Someone at HP must have known the possibilites of what would happen. F 	Intel must have frightened them.  Someday Intel will be manufacturing? 	high-end servers (glueless) on a chip and selling it cheap (in C 	comparison to others).  With profits leaching away in the high-end > 	server space (Delled) you have to come up with some strategy.> 	Abandon your research and sell your high-end servers for half= 	the cost of the others.  Look at SGI.  Look at Unisys.  Look 6 	at Dell.  Look at Fujitsu.  Look at NEC.  Look at HP.  = 	Carly and Capellas burned the boats and were roasted for it. & 	Sun won't burn the boats soon enough.  6 http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030213.html  J This means getting new and energetic technical leadership for the company,N which desperately needs another Bill Joy.  Then it means finding a new productL direction.  And finally it involves betting the whole darned company on thatK direction.  Like Hernando Cortez conquering Mexico, McNealy has to burn his O ships to make retreat impossible.  While the risk in this strategy looks great, ) the alternative is almost certain doom.     < 	McNealy won't burn the boat and abandon his precious Sparc.@ 	Smashmouthed hockey players don't play the game that way.  They3 	throw the gloves to the ice and smash some mouths.    				Rob    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Feb 2003 10:45:59 GMT From: rmk@rmkhome.com V Subject: Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it"3 Message-ID: <3e4e1a67$0$195$75868355@news.frii.net>   ) Richard Brodie <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote:   D > SuSe seem to make more of their money up front than other distros.C > That says more about SuSe than it does IA64. So, you can only get C > Caldera, Debian, SuSe, Redhat and Turbolinux versions at present.  > Looks pretty dead to me.  ; Redhat seems to only be selling an IA64 version through HP. 3 Doesn't look like you can download it from Caldera.  Debian does have a download.9 Turbolinux for IA64 is only available in Japan and China.   C > So, there is work going on on the PDP-10 port but not on Itanium. 5 > Clearly 36-bit computing is the wave of the future.   F Well, no, that's why there are 64bit Alpha, Ultra Sparc, and embedded 1 MIPS and POWER processors with NetBSD ports.  :-)   4 And also Opteron. Personally, I want an Opteron box.  F The people defecting from Linux to *BSD and Solaris is increasing. The@ various Linux companies are forking the OS and distributions are  tending towrd non-compatibility.   --  , rmk@rmkhome.com		http://www.rmkhome.com/~rmk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:26:17 +0200 % From: "Mariuz" <mariuz@stop.spam.org> Y Subject: Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" fo : Message-ID: <pan.2003.02.15.12.26.17.483156@stop.spam.org>  2 On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:45:54 +0000, rob kas wrote:  : >> should be the other way around ... linux is the science' >> project, and a lousy one at that ...  >  > ; >                       One more pearl of Wisdom from Bob C 	 Amen ! :)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:16:07 +0200 % From: "Mariuz" <mariuz@stop.spam.org> Y Subject: Re: IBM says "Itanium is like a science project. There's not a market for it" fo : Message-ID: <pan.2003.02.15.13.16.06.914877@stop.spam.org>  1 On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:26:17 +0200, Mariuz wrote:   4 > On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:45:54 +0000, rob kas wrote: > ; >>> should be the other way around ... linux is the science ( >>> project, and a lousy one at that ... >>   >>  < >>                       One more pearl of Wisdom from Bob C > Amen ! :) D Bob should be exiled lonley with a Itanic  on a island and Only Open5 VmS as a OS on it ...I think he'll survive ... heheh     ------------------------------   Date: 15 Feb 03 09:07:19 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 1 Subject: Re: Where to find Oracle RDB information ) Message-ID: <8kD6rgUucCsN@elias.decus.ch>   U In article <3E4BD797.8040900@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > i >>In article <_9O2a.152$aT3.20@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:  >>   >>4 >>>From: Bill Gettys [mailto:Bill.Gettys@Oracle.com] >>> - >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:39 PM  >>>  >>> Sure!!!!!! >>>  >>>Take a look at our web site:  >>>  >>>http://www.oracle.com/rdb/  >>>      >>>  >>0 >>That URL does not work from a secured browser. >>   >>I > Javascript is NOT insecure, Java and ActiveX yes, but not Jacascript!   K > Don't want to believe that, then spend some time investigating it but in  G > every CERT advisory, the key component was NOT Javascript but rather  @ > that the applications were running Microcrap IE or Outloose...  
 Oh really?  H The point when I decided to switch off Javascript came several years agoE when I was viewing this very user group using Netscape 3.03 on VMS. A O piece of HTML spam about cheap PCs appeared. When it ground my Alpha to a halt, G I simply highlighted the DECterm window I had run Netscape from and hit   CTRL/Y, then restarted Netscape.  I Just as well, because as I learnt later from others here, that Javascript # eventually led to a hard porn site.   D At the same time I was due to visit a user in another office, so theD potential was there that my 21" screen facing the rest of the office2 was displaying porn while I was away from my desk.  D What would _your_ colleagues think if _you_ left a display like that6 running in your absence? Or your family or neighbours?  * It may have done no damage to my system byB your definition of "security", but my definition of that word alsoH includes my personal repution, not offending others, and keeping my job.  E _That_ is how dangerous and insecure Javascript can be when connected  to the outside world.   E Sure I'll use it for trusted applications on our intranet, but forget  it for the outside world.   . What is so difficult to understand about that?   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.092 ************************