1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 21 Feb 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 101       Contents: Re: "Real Computer"  RE: "Real Computer" 2 Re: An interesting view on the Linux support trend5 Re: Breaking out too many times causes a crash of DCL + Broadcast is not working if IP is specified * Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS?! CSWS/Apache 1.3 Log File problems % Re: CSWS/Apache 1.3 Log File problems % Re: CSWS/Apache 1.3 Log File problems  Re: Data in shareable image 5 Re: DECwindows hang when using Multinet and VMS patch 5 Re: DECwindows hang when using Multinet and VMS patch  DS20 POWER OPTIONS Re: DS20 POWER OPTIONS Re: DS20 POWER OPTIONS7 Re: Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp ; Re: How to Avoid the Almost Certain End of Sun Microsystems ; Re: How to Avoid the Almost Certain End of Sun Microsystems G HP further demonstrates its Itanium leadership at Intel Developer Forum H Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyP Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly monopolG RE: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly ' Re: Initiating Command on VMS from Unix  Madison, successor to McKinley" Re: Madison, successor to McKinley Re: Memo:  EMU errorB Re: Migrating from PSI X-25 to another product (hardware/software)B RE: Migrating from PSI X-25 to another product (hardware/software)! Re: Mousewheel -- working in TPU! ( Re: Need help passing text to executable( Re: Need help passing text to executable, New Toolkit modernizes RTR with java support+ Re: ODS-2 read/write filesystem for Linux ? $ Opinion of Quanta Training in the UK) Oracle 9i 9.2.0.2 (release 2) differences  Oracle on OpenVMS on Marvel  Re: Oracle on OpenVMS on Marvel : Re: Pathworks Advanced Server and OpenVMS upgrade sequenceP Press Release - HP Introduces Dual Itanium 2-based Processor Module and Super-sc' Re: Quest: Readable format of  vmsdate. * Re: Questions about simh & OpenVMS install. Quirk using SYSMAN and Create/Terminal=DECTERM2 Re: Quirk using SYSMAN and Create/Terminal=DECTERM  Re[2]: stupid batch job question% Samsung trades in Alpha for Itanium 2  Soundcards for EV6 Alphas  SSL and LDAP with VMS 7.3  Sun and Opteron rumours again." Re: Sun and Opteron rumours again.$ Systemcrash after login after reboot Re: SYSUAF Proxy Re: SYSUAF Proxy' telnet timeout/hang vms7.3-1, tcpip 5.3  Re: telnet to Win2000 from VMS RE: telnet to Win2000 from VMS Re: telnet to Win2000 from VMS RE: telnet to Win2000 from VMS RE: telnet to Win2000 from VMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS% RE: Unix for SET FILE/ERASE_ON_DELETE P Re: unix, was Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs.  IBM m Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Volume set across RAID5  Re: Watcher doubts. Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:42:50 +0800 4 From: Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: "Real Computer"3 Message-ID: <acm13b.gh3.ln@innovative.iinet.net.au>   F "Rupert Pigott" <roo@dark-try-removing-this-boong.demon.co.uk> writes:  7 >"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message $ >news:3E5386E7.B799F085@yahoo.com... >> Russell Wallace wrote: J >> > Yes, I know people who talk about "real computers" mean purpose-builtK >> > Unix servers/minicomputers, not PCs running a Unix operating system :)  >>@ >> Nothing that can sit on (or under) a desk is a real computer.   >Never forget this one :  3 >"Don't trust a computer that's too heavy to lift."    Defenestrate. :-)  --  B /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia4 \ /  ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus!;  X   against HTML mail     | Copy me into your ~/.signature / / \  and postings          | to help me spread!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:46:51 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> Subject: RE: "Real Computer"0 Message-ID: <01C2D8DE.2A90FEC0@sulfer.icius.com>  @ If it can't be lifted, how do you plan to throw it out a window?   -----Original Message-----; From: Bernd Felsche [mailto:bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au] * Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:43 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: "Real Computer"    F "Rupert Pigott" <roo@dark-try-removing-this-boong.demon.co.uk> writes:  7 >"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message $ >news:3E5386E7.B799F085@yahoo.com... >> Russell Wallace wrote: J >> > Yes, I know people who talk about "real computers" mean purpose-builtK >> > Unix servers/minicomputers, not PCs running a Unix operating system :)  >>@ >> Nothing that can sit on (or under) a desk is a real computer.   >Never forget this one :  3 >"Don't trust a computer that's too heavy to lift."    Defenestrate. :-)  --  B /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia4 \ /  ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus!;  X   against HTML mail     | Copy me into your ~/.signature / / \  and postings          | to help me spread!    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 11:52:43 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski); Subject: Re: An interesting view on the Linux support trend < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0302201152.5f938b9@posting.google.com>  s "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<TiY4a.18809$Zr%.18437@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... - > http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/142   9 there is no such thing as a free ride ... as soon as they 7 hook you, they make you open the wallet, i.e. Microsoft 4 licensing ... VMS is still the best value os for the money!   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 11:18:11 -0800$ From: rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan)> Subject: Re: Breaking out too many times causes a crash of DCL= Message-ID: <fbcf38dc.0302201118.69cea761@posting.google.com>   B Something I should add is that I have never been able to get it toE happen with a commmand file.  I set up a COM file that loops back but ) I have never been able to get it to fail.   	 /RC Bryan       i rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan) wrote in message news:<fbcf38dc.0302191439.39ed4cc5@posting.google.com>... D > We were having a problem with one of our applications where if theH > customer broke out in the middle of things, it would leave things in aH > bad state.  While I was trying to track down the problem by repeatedlyE > breaking out, I started having a different problem.  After breaking H > out several (say, 10 to 20) times in a row, my CLI session would crashF > and when I tried to run anything else, it would be disconnected withE > the same error. I was able to reproduce it with a simple C program:  >  > main() > {  >         while(1);  > }  >  > compiled and linked as:  >  > cc/noopt loopy.c > link loopy >  > The crash looks like:  >  > LCVMS9[rcbryan]: r loopy >  Interrupt >  > D >   Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.3 >     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 3 >                         Name   = 000000000000000C 3 >                                  0000000000000004 3 >                                  000000007FFA5F70 3 >                                  000000007AFB0188 3 >                                  0000000000000012  >  >     Register dump:; >     R0  = 0000000000000012  R1  = 000000007AF54A48  R2  =  > 000000007AF54A28 > <<<<snip>>>>; >     SP  = 000000007FFAE000  PC  = 000000007AFB0188  PS  =  > 0000000000000012E > %SYSTEM-F-BADSTACK, bad stack encountered during exception dispatch  > F > I have since checked other systems and it happens on everything from > V7.1 to V7.3-1.  >  > Comment anybody? > 	 > Thanks,  > /RC Bryan    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:50:09 -0500 $ From: "Upadhyaya" <ups@hotvoice.com>4 Subject: Broadcast is not working if IP is specified. Message-ID: <mJe5a.99$eb5.33@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,   H I have written a sample application which will broadcast some info. If IL specify INADDR_ANY at the time of binding, broadcast works. But if I specify6 the IP address of the machine broadcast will not work. What is causing the problem?% Any solution  or workaround for this?      Regards,	 Upadhyaya   
 Sample app	 =========  int  main( void ) { A   /*  char buf[512];    */                  /* server data buffer  */  K     int optval = 1;                     /* SO_REUSEADDR'S option value (on)  */  <     int sockfd;                         /* socket descriptor */  K     unsigned int client_addrlen;        /* returned length of client socket  */<                                         /* address structure */J     struct sockaddr_in client_addr;     /* client socket address structure */J     struct sockaddr_in serv_addr;       /* server socket address structure */      char buf[512] = "hello123456";     /*.      * init broadcast socket address structure      */   3     memset( &client_addr, 0, sizeof(client_addr) ); %     client_addr.sin_family = AF_INET; 3     client_addr.sin_port   = htons( SERV_PORTNUM ); 3     client_addr.sin_addr.s_addr = INADDR_BROADCAST;          /*-      * init server's socket address structure       */   /     memset( &serv_addr, 0, sizeof(serv_addr) ); (     serv_addr.sin_family      = AF_INET;6     serv_addr.sin_port        = htons( SERV_PORTNUM );,      serv_addr.sin_addr.s_addr = INADDR_ANY;> /*   serv_addr.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr("16.20.212.15"); */       /*      * create a udp socket      */   8     if ( (sockfd = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, 0)) < 0 )	         { ,         perror( "Failed to create socket" );         exit( EXIT_FAILURE ); 	         }        /*?      * bind server's internet address and port number to socket       */        if ( setsockopt(sockfd, L                     SOL_SOCKET, SO_BROADCAST, &optval, sizeof(optval)) < 0 )	         { 0         perror( "Failed to set socket option" );         exit( EXIT_FAILURE ); 	         }        if ( bind(sockfd, F               (struct sockaddr *) &serv_addr, sizeof(serv_addr)) < 0 )	         { *         perror( "Failed to bind socket" );         exit( EXIT_FAILURE ); 	         }        /*      * Send broadcast datagram      */     -     printf( "Sending datagram on port: %d\n", %             ntohs(serv_addr.sin_port)            );  0         if ( sendto(sockfd, buf, sizeof(buf), 0,L                 (struct sockaddr *) &client_addr, sizeof(client_addr)) < 0 )	         { 7         perror( "Failed to write datagram to server" );          exit( EXIT_FAILURE ); 	         }        /*      * close udp socket       */        if ( close(sockfd) < 0 )	         { +         perror( "Failed to close socket" );          exit( EXIT_FAILURE ); 	         }        exit( EXIT_SUCCESS );  }    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Feb 2003 04:41:18 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>3 Subject: Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS? , Message-ID: <b34ale01g2t@enews1.newsguy.com>  ) David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: M > Just be sure that you get the right model.  For VMS, you want the DE500-BA.    > Dave  K Also watch out that you don't accidentally buy Fibre cards by mistake (I've + got a pair of DE500's that I got that way).    			Zane    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 14:17:50 -0800+ From: googlepost01@tedcrane.com (ted crane) * Subject: CSWS/Apache 1.3 Log File problems< Message-ID: <dd169acf.0302201417.867af48@posting.google.com>  4 An earlier posting described problems with log files5 under CSWS/Apache 1.2.  The responses did not suggest ( whether the same problems occur in V1.3.  	 Problems: + 1) Log files seem incomplete.  Some entries     do not seem to appear. + 2) Automatic flushing to log files is often ,    hours behind actual access.  There may be*    some correlation between number of hits$    and automatic flushing frequency.  
 Observations: , 1) APACHE$CONFIG FLUSH  *does* seem to work.+    It certainly does flush recent activity. +    It is not clear whether earlier activity &    is also completely flushed to logs.  
 Questions:8 1) Is there an actual problem in V1.3.  Please describe.> 2) Is there a foolproof workaround for V1.3?  Please describe.7    This workaround might involve the log file handling, 1    or perhaps "rules of usage" for other parts of 6    CSWS/Apache which will minimize/eliminate problems.B 3) Will there be a patch to address these problems, if they exist?   Suggestions:1 1) Document existing flushing behavior so that it     is predictable., 2) Implement a mechanism to manage automaticH    flushing interval.  Ex: define APACHE$LOGFILE_FLUSH_INTERVAL hh:mm:ss   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:03:30 -0800 , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>. Subject: Re: CSWS/Apache 1.3 Log File problems5 Message-ID: <b33ms4$1h6u0l$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>   J I've had some recent e-mail communications with HP regarding this problem.I As far as I know there is no fix.  The workaround suggested is to NOT use  the F FLUSH command.  So we started renaming the access_log. file during our monthly 4 maintenance window as a way of managing these files.  I I was under the impression that this was working until I looked just now.  Sure enough K one or our nodes has a big hole in the access_log during a period I know it  was  serving up requests.  ; I hope some HP person will jump in here with a fix in hand.    Jim     8 "ted crane" <googlepost01@tedcrane.com> wrote in message6 news:dd169acf.0302201417.867af48@posting.google.com...6 > An earlier posting described problems with log files7 > under CSWS/Apache 1.2.  The responses did not suggest * > whether the same problems occur in V1.3. >  > Problems: - > 1) Log files seem incomplete.  Some entries  >    do not seem to appear. - > 2) Automatic flushing to log files is often . >    hours behind actual access.  There may be, >    some correlation between number of hits& >    and automatic flushing frequency. >  > Observations: . > 1) APACHE$CONFIG FLUSH  *does* seem to work.- >    It certainly does flush recent activity. - >    It is not clear whether earlier activity ( >    is also completely flushed to logs. >  > Questions:: > 1) Is there an actual problem in V1.3.  Please describe.@ > 2) Is there a foolproof workaround for V1.3?  Please describe.9 >    This workaround might involve the log file handling, 3 >    or perhaps "rules of usage" for other parts of 8 >    CSWS/Apache which will minimize/eliminate problems.D > 3) Will there be a patch to address these problems, if they exist? >  > Suggestions:3 > 1) Document existing flushing behavior so that it  >    is predictable.. > 2) Implement a mechanism to manage automaticJ >    flushing interval.  Ex: define APACHE$LOGFILE_FLUSH_INTERVAL hh:mm:ss   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:03:53 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"). Subject: Re: CSWS/Apache 1.3 Log File problems6 Message-ID: <00A1BC92.E4762E40@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  d In article <b33ms4$1h6u0l$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>, "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:K >I've had some recent e-mail communications with HP regarding this problem. J >As far as I know there is no fix.  The workaround suggested is to NOT use >theG >FLUSH command.  So we started renaming the access_log. file during our  >monthly5 >maintenance window as a way of managing these files.   J With CSWS shut down?  ("maintenance window" suggests that.)  Otherwise I'dO suggest APACHE$CONFIG NEW followed by renamed access_log.;-1 to something else.   K It would also be easy enough to set up a batch job  - I use a cron port for L this kind of thing - to do APACHE$CONFIG FLUSH every minute, ten minutes, or whatever.        > J >I was under the impression that this was working until I looked just now. >Sure enoughL >one or our nodes has a big hole in the access_log during a period I know it >was >serving up requests.  > < >I hope some HP person will jump in here with a fix in hand.  1 Apache fires up a whole bunch of different worker H processes, and the main process dispatches requests to them.  The workerD processes themselves parse the config file and write to the log fileN individually - that's why APACHE$CONFIG RESTART leaves the dispatcher in placeN and kills all the worker processes, and that way why there was a bug (fixed inL 1.2, I think) where log entries might be intermingled, because of two workerN processes starting at once.  That was fixed by having a process that wanted toM write take a temporary lock on the logfile.  (I think this is why you now see ? worker processes going through a RWSCS state in their startup.)   L Wild guessing follows:  If some process took the lock and then got hung up -O but didn't die - the other processes wouldn't all have to wait for it to finish O or go away.  If you GRACEFUL restarted during that time, they wouldn't go away; O if you RESTARTed, they'd get nuked even with i/o waiting to happen.  This could - result in long periods of unlogged activity.    M While I like Ted's suggestions (snipped below), I'll add that I'd really like L for the logs to use some format that TYPE/TAIL and TYPE/TAIL/CONT would workN on, so I can look at recent and ongoing activity without having to pull a huge) log file into an editor and wait forever.    -- Alan     O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:29:35 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Data in shareable image/ Message-ID: <3E551E8D.D52B4756@vl.videotron.ca>    Johan Nilsson wrote:L > an Alpha OpenVMS system. The data is declared as a C struct, linked into aJ > shareable image and installed. When I try to include the definition fromK > another C program, I get an error indicating that the size of the data in E > the shareable image is 956, while the program expects it to be 960.   L The linker is totally separate from the compiler.  When you compile module AJ which includes XX.H, the compiler has no way of knowing that XX.H was alsoN included in module B. And the compiler doesn't even know that the module being; compiler will be linked against a specific shareable image.   M So you must tell us the exact error message and whether it is being issued by  the compiler, or the linker.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:05:48 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)> Subject: Re: DECwindows hang when using Multinet and VMS patchL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1902032205490001@user-uinj4fa.dialup.mindspring.com>  M In article <YKT4a.6200$Rb4.92167@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at wrote:   4 >In article <DTT6Ces6IIl$@eisner.encompasserve.org>,= koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: G >>   The combination of the latest kernel and ucxdriver patches seem to I >>   have cured it.  Felt so good, I downloaded most of the other patches E >>   for 4.3.  Just had to remember to reinstall MULTINET:USER.CLD in H >>   DCLTABLES tso that telnet would be Multinet's telnet and not DEC's. > M >That reminds my of another advantage of TCPware: It uses symbols, not verbs.    Why is that an advantage?    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 08:49:24 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) > Subject: Re: DECwindows hang when using Multinet and VMS patch3 Message-ID: <$yARVYYrseti@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <Lq05a.11482$Rb4.140040@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: > In article <rdeininger-1902032205490001@user-uinj4fa.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: O >>In article <YKT4a.6200$Rb4.92167@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at wrote: 6 >>>In article <DTT6Ces6IIl$@eisner.encompasserve.org>,? >>koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: I >>>>   The combination of the latest kernel and ucxdriver patches seem to K >>>>   have cured it.  Felt so good, I downloaded most of the other patches G >>>>   for 4.3.  Just had to remember to reinstall MULTINET:USER.CLD in J >>>>   DCLTABLES tso that telnet would be Multinet's telnet and not DEC's. >>> O >>>That reminds my of another advantage of TCPware: It uses symbols, not verbs.  >> >>Why is that an advantage?  > ( > Then answer is in the above paragraph.O > eg. One can switch between the IP stacks by reboot instead of reinstallation. N > (Or maybe even by shutting down one stack and start the other one). And thenD > switch the utilities by defining (other) symbols or deleting them.  D    Resetting the command tables with the user.cld file is a lot lessG    than a reinstall.  And in the meantime one can use "multinet telnet" 8    for the Multinet stack or "telnet" for the DEC stack.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:30:12 -0600  From: brandon@dalsemi.com  Subject: DS20 POWER OPTIONS 1 Message-ID: <03022016301274@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   e Can someone who has a DS20-E (rack mount) tell me if the server has a one or two cord power option or - if a two cord power option is even available.    Thanks for the information...    John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:30:22 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: DS20 POWER OPTIONS L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2002032030230001@user-uinj4im.dialup.mindspring.com>  L In article <03022016301274@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:  J >Can someone who has a DS20-E (rack mount) tell me if the server has a one or two cord power option or . >if a two cord power option is even available. >  >Thanks for the information...  H From memory, the DS20E only supports 1 power supply.  But the QuickSpecsG is the definitive document.  Start at www.openvms.compaq.com, and go to  the Alphaservers page.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:05:09 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: DS20 POWER OPTIONS 6 Message-ID: <00A1BC93.1198319D@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  M In article <03022016301274@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com writes: f >Can someone who has a DS20-E (rack mount) tell me if the server has a one or two cord power option or. >if a two cord power option is even available.  M I have two power cords for my DS20E.  (One's plugged into UPS, the other into M wall power.)  It comes with two power supplies; a third is an optional extra.    -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:22:50 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> @ Subject: Re: Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp' Message-ID: <3E544A0A.D53292DB@fsi.net>    Robert Deininger wrote:  > = > In article <3E52E78B.2B5C1339@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > I > >> >How 'bout a comparison of SRM to the Itanic equivalent. An in-depth L > >> >discussion of the Itanic console environment, drawing parallels to the% > >> >familiar SRM where appropriate.  > >> >D > >> >Another good one might be performance management and tuning of > >> >OpenVMS-IPF. > >> > > >> >Whaddaya think?  > >>D > >> Both sound like worthy topics, but probably for 2004, not 2003. > > I > >Why wait? Just because VMS is traditionally "behind the curve" doesn't  > >necessarily mean it's right.  > K > Because I don't think the answers will be known, or knowable, by the time K > of the 2003 Bootcamp.  This is particularly true for performance, because K > during the porting phase almost no attention is being paid to optimizing. D > I expect there will be minimal work on performance until the first > "production" release in 2004.   H The engr.'s must have SOME ideas of what VMS will be sensitive to on IPFF as opposed to Alpha or VAX. Present it as "...A Look Ahead", and flesh? it out with refreshers on current material. What's the problem?   I > As for the IPF "console", during the port it is whatever comes with the J > system.  VMS Engineering has no input, and won't add any firmware unless0 > there's no other way to get something working.  C So, present what exists, again as "...A Look Ahead", if necessary.  H Opportunity for an NDA session on what might change. What's the problem?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:58:07 +0530 4 From: Kesav Tadimeti <Kesav_Tadimeti@KeaneIndia.com>D Subject: Re: How to Avoid the Almost Certain End of Sun MicrosystemsI Message-ID: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C260F101FD@exdel01.del.mgsl.com>    Andrew, F I believe Sun could be the only company that *COULD* challenge MS. TheK masses want an affordable platform in the form of IA32. Until recently, Sun K wanted to push SPARC/Solaris and I guess that's one reason why they've been  losing a lot of money.  G I wonder, why doesn't SUN market Intel/Solaris actively as a desktop as K well? I am subscribed to the INTELONSOLARIS mailing list, and there's a lot : of resentment there, though they were consoled by SOl. 9.   5 >As an example the largest single technology donation 0 >made by IBM to the OpenSource community is JFS. > 5 >Value of donation to OpenSource Community = Low to 0  > 5 >Why because XFS donated by SGI is a superior product ; >from a performance standpoint, its over 2x the performance . >and ext3 is also faster though less reliable.  ; I wonder how good ReiserFS is compared to XFS,JFS and ext3.   - >Sun has donated Java, widely used value high L OK. But why has SUN abandoned C/C++? Does SUN still ship Forte for C++? I amL thinking of getting a boxed set of SOl.8 but it is available from the US andL nowhere else. I need to pay for the shipping and customs. Would be better ifL Sun could have this sold thru Sun India. It looks like SUN doesn't *WANT* toL take up opportunities. Sun,I believe, is the only company right now to offerH products of value on Intel. Too bad, they don't want to make the offer.   ' >Gnome is our most visible donation ??? 2 REally, I thought GONME was made by the GNU folks.  9 >The openSource folks preception is pretty warped if that 8 >is what they think and IBM have obviously been doing an6 >excellent smoke and mirrors job, but in reality their8 >biggest donation is JFS which isn't widely used because/ >its inferior to other OpenSource alternatives.    Linux bigot's observation:C *IBM is actively adopting Linux and introducing them into corporate 
 computing./ *SUN is actively proposing Solaris (not Free).  H Linux bigot's conclusion: Therefore, IBM is THE computer company that is promoting Linux.  K With sensible pricing and strong commitment, Sun can be successful with the H Solaris on Intel. I think adopting Linux was a mistake. IN fact, why not5 make a port to other platforms as well (MIPS, IA-64)?   G >> They have admitted that AIX is no longer their long term comittment,  >> that was my main point. >>  8 >No they havn't that wasn't what the press release said.  K Check TheRegister (www.theregister.co.uk). It has been rated as the No.1 IT  news service vendor in UK.  F They reported something similar to the effect that IBM was consideringG replacing AIX (not too popular) with Linux as IBM's leading UNIX. Don't : exactly remember if they want to phase out AIX completely.   regards  Keshav  7 +-----------------------------------------------------+ 0 	KEANE INDIA LIMITED                            0 	E9 - E12, SDF                                  1 	NEPZ, NOIDA 201 305                              0 	U.P, INDIA                                     6                                                       0 	e-mail: kesav_tadimeti@keaneindia.com          0 	phone: +91-120-2568210(371)                    5       Men are from MACs, Women are from VMS           7 +-----------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 13:07:04 +0100( From: Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se>D Subject: Re: How to Avoid the Almost Certain End of Sun Microsystems1 Message-ID: <cs9d6ln40lz.fsf@Abarth.Update.UU.SE>   < > >>>Check out what IBM is sharing with the Linux community.8 > >>>I think they are the "good guys" in the eyes of the  > >>>Linux community these days. > >> > >>Yes but thats all BS.  > >>E > >>IBM have shared the JFS but then there are plenty of alternatives ? > >>for this anyway almost everything else , DB2, WebSphere etc ? > >>which incedentally requires Java is for sale not for share.  > >>? > >>If this makes IBM the good guys to the opensource community C > >>then it doesn't say very much thats good about their judgement. H > > Maybe you feel it's just bullshit, but I surely see more coming fromH > > IBM if you count kernel patches. And considering that IBM is phasing: > > out AIX in favour of Linux sure tells me they are partH > > of the gang. Hell knows what Sun wants more that to protect Solaris. > >  > < > That is entirely untrue. IBM's public statements about AIXA > indicate that they expect it to be their high end UNIX offering < > in 10 years time. A decade is a hell of a long time in the9 > computer industry and if the statements subtext is that > > they are phasing out AIX in 11 years time in favour of Linux? > well sorry but that is just too far off to have any relevance 	 > at all.   A Well, we'll all have to see about what happens, don't we? Arguing > about IBM's future plans is fairly meaningless. You read their3 press release in one way, I read it some other way.   D They have admitted that AIX is no longer their long term comittment, that was my main point.   C > How about listing IBM's contributions to the OpenSource community D > I can easily list what Sun has donated both in terms of technology? > and in terms of standards, for sale software like DB2, Tivoli = > and WebSphere don't count and neither does Linux on zSeries  > systems either.  > = > When you have you will find that its actually a pretty tiny  > list.   ; I'm afraid it's pretty pointless to have a discussion about > this if you repeatedly tell me what counts or not. Can I tell ? you what of your ideas "count" or not? You are behaving pretty   silly.  ; I know that many in the Linux community feels IBM is their  : benefactor and Sun isn't. Maybe they are wrong, but that's= what they feel that I have talked to. Sure, none of them uses 2 GNOME, which I guess is where Sun is most visible.  < > >>So neither versions are going to make much impact in the > >>server side Java arena.  > > E > > Well, I have no problem using the Free JVM's for my tomcat server 0 > > and I know it is used by serious businesses. > . > Which free JVM, the GNU one or the Sun one ?  A I've heard of Kaffe being used, GNU and a JVM from your favouritee competitor IBM.o  H Note the distinction between Free (as in freedom) and free (as in beer).  I > >>>Don't you worry about Java, it's being taken care of, now it's Free.i > >>>l > >>= > >>Well yes it is but only because of the Sun donation which 6 > >>is of course free and is a complete implimenation.= > >>None of the other free JVM's are complete implimentationsn8 > >>so their cost or otherwise is hardly relevant is it.C > > It's not about costs. It's about Free as in freedom. That's thepC > > answer to your question about the Linux lure. You might do withi1 > > it whatever you like, just share the changes.m > 7 > Do you think that RedHat are sharing the changes they 7 > make to Advanced Server with SuSE and the rest of the  > Linux community ??  > I sure hope they are sharing additions they make in code which< is GPL licenced. Otherwise they are in violation of licence.  AC > > If Solaris became Free, and not just for free you might get theaH > > same effect. Heck, I did a job once when Ericsson wanted the 'rarpd'H > > deamon changed. They used Linux instead since the code was open. Not+ > > much we from Sun could offer instead...  > ; > There is no reason at all why Ericsson couldn't have usedM6 > the Solaris source and changed the rarpd deamon. The@ > limitation is in the re-distribution or re-sale of the changedA > rarpd which under the terms of the Sun Community Source LicenseD@ > would have to be re-submitted back to Sun for inclusion in the> > next Solaris release assuming that Sun felt the changes were
 > usefull.  ? Maybe, but somewhow they didn't like the conditions. They neverp told me what the problem was.r  .< > In many respects this is very like the Linux process. What8 > you or I hack up doesn't autmatically make it into the= > next Linux kernel you or I would have to submit the changest9 > to the Linux organisation for inclusion, they decide onE: > the merits of the change. So the main difference is that; > Sun as a commercial organisation vets the Solaris changesn3 > and a bunch of indeviduals do the same for Linux.x > ? > In fact some people arn't happy with the Linux update processd9 > because they claim that their submissions have not beeni > followed up.   I'm aware of the fact.   /andreas   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 19:08:28 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)eP Subject: HP further demonstrates its Itanium leadership at Intel Developer Forum= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302201908.22ba2e5e@posting.google.com>   E "At the Intel Developer Forum (IDF) February 18-21, HP will highlighte? a wave of accomplishments that demonstrate HP's leadership withaD Itanium processor solutions that offer our customers the best value:= o  Scott Stallard, senior vice president and general manager o>    for Business Critical Systems (BCS), will participate in a ,    keynote address on Thursday, February 20.; o  John Miller, director of Server Marketing for BCS, will n>    deliver HP's Gold Sponsor presentation on Tuesday, February?    18, highlighting how developers can easily and successfully t?    partner with HP to provide leading Itanium technologybased V    customer solutions.? o  David Patrick of BCS's System VLSI Lab will lead HP's "Tech f9    Talk" session on Thursday, February 20, showcasing thee=    technical innovation and customer value of HP's new sx1000e    chipset and new mx2 module.< o  There will be a live demonstration of a Superdome server :    based on Itanium 2 processors that simultaneously runs *    HP-UX, Windows, and Linux applications.8 o  A selection of demos will be presented at HP's booth 9    showing ISV solutions available today for HP's Itanium-    technologybased servers.< o  New, industry-leading commercial and technical benchmark     results will be showcased.   E On Tuesday, February 18, HP will also publish two press releases thatD	 highlighth8 o  HP's Itanium technology momentum, including customer :    references, ISV availability (such as BEA and Oracle), :    and the new HP-Intel solution center in Shanghai, China? o  HP's technical innovations for our Itanium technologybased  @    solutions: the new sx1000 chipset and new mx2 dual-processor     daughter card  ? The press releases are available at the newsroom page of hp.comtH (http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/index.html?mtxs=corp&mtxb=3&mtxl=4)."    ? Given a little time, I'm sure we'll see OpenVMS running on that  Itanium 2 Superdome, too.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:48:55 -0700C From: bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.caQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolya+ Message-ID: <3E552317.4050809@jetnet.ab.ca>    J. Clarke wrote:! > Don't be _too_ sure about that.35 > <http://www.aopen.com/products/mb/ax4b-533tube.htm>     6 Ok I was wrong about THAT motherboard,but high quality8 audio in ordenary electronic equipment is rare. Too many3 bean counters in the low end stuff, and salesmen on-4 commision on the high end stuff. Where is the middle road?.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 03:15:54 GMTo) From: Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net>rQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly<' Message-ID: <3E546428.107765AC@ev1.net>    jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > 1 >      [snip...]      [snip...]         [snip...]p > C > Of course.  When MIsoft announced it, the bad news was occasionalrH > global shutdown, the good news was they'ld stop themselves eventually. > 
 <Mi$uck joke>(  : God granted an audience to the three most important people= in the world...the President of the US, the Premier of China,e> and Bill Gates. God said:  "Things are going very badly. After? the first of the year, I will have to destroy the world again."i  @ The President of the US went to congress and said:  "I have good@ news and bad news:  The good news is, God exists and cares aboutA us. The bad news is, after the first of the year, He will destroym the world."w  < The Premier of China went to the assembly in China and said:< "I have bad news and worse news:  The bad news is, though we= *never* believe in Him, God really does exist. The worse newsm@ is that after the first of the year, He will destroy the world."  < Bill Gates called a meeting of all the Microsurfs at Mi$uck.: Gates said:  "I have good news and better news!!! The good9 news is, God thinks I am one of the three most important e; people in the world. The better news is:  all those bugs in-* Windows XP...we don't have to fix them!!!"   </Mi$uck joke>   -- m? +-------------------------------------------------------------+a? |     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   |6? +-------------------------------------------------------------+h   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 14:24:01 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)vQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly)3 Message-ID: <XQnv7zD1Bvdq@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  c In article <3e51d0a7.188536110@news.eircom.net>, rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net (Russell Wallace) writes:rH > On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:33:09 -0500, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > wrote: > K >>I've been trying to stay out of this rather useless discussion, but, the a5 >>implication above is that MS is not evil and nasty.a >>7 >>1) Legally found to have used monopolistic practices. ( >>2) Wipes out any possible competition." >>3) Illegally destroyed Netscape. > @ > By giving away a competing product for free? Ah, then assumingG > something resembling a consistent set of standards is to be followed, H > GNU are crimimals for giving away Linux and GCC, Sun for Java and Star
 > Office etc.n  : Let's point out the hypocrisy, here.  Micro$haft was foundB _GUILTY_, yet you still defend them.  Yet, your signature reads...  5 > "Mercy to the guilty is treachery to the innocent."e  @ So your (specious) arguments in favor of Micro$haft are blatant  treachery on your part.   # *plonk* into the killfile with you.    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2003 21:01:45 GMT( From: stanb45@dial.pipex.com (Stan Barr)Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly = Message-ID: <slrnb5a9is.g5t.stanb45@citadel.metropolis.local>0  7 On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:38:14 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith S <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:) >On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:18:28 +0000 (UTC) : >hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote: > J >DREH> Remember the original TRS-80?  It had three connectors on the back:& >DREH> Power, video out, and cassette. >e> >	Very well - one of the first in the UK was my third computerJ >experience (after an 1130 and an Eclipse). My first comment was something. >like "Neat keyboard, where's the computer ?".  B Still got mine, also one of the first imported - not by Tandy...  G Unfortunately smoke came out last time I plugged it in and I've *still*e not had time to fix it!    -- n Cheers,s( Stan Barr         stanb45@dial.pipex.com( **Remove the digits from email address**   The future was never like this!p   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Feb 03 00:41:37 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly ) Message-ID: <FA3tk$NX9or4@elias.decus.ch>    This one for Russel Wallace.  3 Please eliminate your cross-posting to comp.os.vms.h  : You have contributed far too much noise here this week and< it is getting hard to find the real substance in that noise.  < Several people have been asking serious technical questions,= and some good answers are there too, but due to the volume of ( your posts, they have been hard to find.  : OTOH if you wish to learn about a real OS, ask nicely with& an open mind, and we will try to help.   -- )
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:08:37 GMTP' From: CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>dQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly ) Message-ID: <3E55593B.284029F7@yahoo.com>o   Marty Kuhrt wrote:4 > rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net (Russell Wallace) writes: > >t > < > Let's point out the hypocrisy, here.  Micro$haft was foundD > _GUILTY_, yet you still defend them.  Yet, your signature reads... > 7 > > "Mercy to the guilty is treachery to the innocent."  > A > So your (specious) arguments in favor of Micro$haft are blatant  > treachery on your part.  > % > *plonk* into the killfile with you.   B Who was it said something like "I may not agree with what he says,9 but I will defend his right to say it"?  I think you have   categorized yourself as a bigot.   -- A< Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net);    Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.E:    <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>  USE worldnet address!   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Feb 2003 10:30:02 -0700) From: Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly ( Message-ID: <1bk7fy7r39.fsf@cs.nmsu.edu>  2 rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net (Russell Wallace) writes:  H > On 17 Feb 2003 13:42:17 +0100, Andreas Eder <Andreas.Eder@t-online.de> > wrote: > ' > >You do know about X Windows, do you?i > G > Been a long time since I had the displeasure of trying to use it, butrF > last I heard X programs can't even interoperate properly on the sameC > operating system let alone be compatible with different operating 
 > systems.   That was never true. -- "< Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D.       Phone -- (505) 646-1605< Department of Computer Science       FAX   -- (505) 646-1002E New Mexico State University          http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffereM Southwestern NM Regional Science and Engr Fair:  http://www.nmsu.edu/~scifairl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:44:33 +0000 2 From: Darren J Longhorn <darrenlonghorn@yahoo.com>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyy8 Message-ID: <uhta5v8tud6eb921r1oa1klprgmlij524q@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:08:37 GMT, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>e wrote:   >Marty Kuhrt wrote:r5 >> rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net (Russell Wallace) writes:W >> > >> 3= >> Let's point out the hypocrisy, here.  Micro$haft was foundsE >> _GUILTY_, yet you still defend them.  Yet, your signature reads...s >> e8 >> > "Mercy to the guilty is treachery to the innocent." >>  B >> So your (specious) arguments in favor of Micro$haft are blatant >> treachery on your part. >> e& >> *plonk* into the killfile with you. >gC >Who was it said something like "I may not agree with what he says,m: >but I will defend his right to say it"?  I think you have! >categorized yourself as a bigot.)  < Often attributed to Voltaire, but actually said about him...7 http://www.quotationspage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105i    Roy Hatersley said it a lot too.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Feb 2003 10:36:45 -0700) From: Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyl( Message-ID: <1bbs19qymq.fsf@cs.nmsu.edu>  7 "Peter Ibbotson" <spambox@ibbotson.demon.co.uk> writes:e > L > I suspect you've forgotten just how awful Netscape was. I installed a copyM > on an NT4 workstation (fresh install as I was submitting this as a bug, and N > I was reinstalling anyway) talking to a HP laserjet and it GPFd all over theM > place as I tried to print. I never actually got a version of Navigator that-K > could actually print something. I suspect like so many in the open sourcesL > world[1] they never did ANY testing before shipping the product, certainly+ > nothing so radical as regression testing.   C I don't know what went wrong with your installation, but I switchedeD from Mosaic to Netscape  somewhere around version 3, and I never saw the problems you're describing.o  I > The Linux Test Project http://ltp.sourceforge.net do seem to be gettingiK > somewhere (IBM I suspect couldn't ship without something being done aboutsN > this and seem to be putting resource in) and the BSD folks also seem to haveG > some regression testing in place, but neither seem to be getting codeeB > coverage levels high enough to inspire much confidence in an OS.I > In particular the code coverage levels reported for the file systems insJ > their white paper looks dangerously low. I'd like to check that all codeM > gets run as filesystems tend to have nasty edge cases around running out of  > resources.  > For something as untested as you claim, Linux sure works well. -- s< Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D.       Phone -- (505) 646-1605< Department of Computer Science       FAX   -- (505) 646-1002E New Mexico State University          http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeifferrM Southwestern NM Regional Science and Engr Fair:  http://www.nmsu.edu/~scifairA   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 03 11:18:37 GMTc From: jmfbahciv@aol.comsQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly + Message-ID: <b32g1p$150$4@bob.news.rcn.net>   0 In article <3e53d0b4.319641617@news.eircom.net>,4    rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net (Russell Wallace) wrote:9 >On Wed, 19 Feb 03 12:54:08 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:h > 2 >>In article <3e523c53.216104475@news.eircom.net>,6 >>   rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net (Russell Wallace) wrote: >>>eH >>>Well, I know old Unix and VMS guys tend to define "real computers" asI >>>being restricted to the above. What's your definition, "real computer"  >>>== IBM mainframe? :)t >> >>A person who counts. >n@ >Heh, fair enough; that was the original definition after all :) >-7 >>> ..I know very well Unix geeks are prone to refer to3G >>>machines as "compatible" if it takes fewer than N man-months of workn6 >>>to port application software from one to the other. >>< >>I've never heard anybody who knew how to login claim that. >>. >>And that implied insult was intentional. ;-) >mD >Maybe next time I run into some Unix geeks I'll tell them "BAH says? >you don't know how to login" and point them to this thread ^.~k  : Good.  Perhaps we'll get more people educated in this biz.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:51:29 GMTa) From: Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyl) Message-ID: <3E54E609.468B333E@yahoo.com>    Rupert Pigott wrote: > 8 > "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message% > news:3E5383BB.716066EB@yahoo.com...F >  > [SNIP] > J > > As I read the ELF spec, it's possible to package together binaries forJ > > several distinct hardware architectures and the loader will select theG > > correct one.  Is this ever done?  Aside from the obvious disk spaceg: > > issues, it would seem to address part of this problem. > 9 > It sounds awfully hairy... I suggest you take a peak ate> > the Linux source to find out... See if the loader doo-hickey> > will hack it. Next step would be to try and test it out, and$ > that makes my head ache a lot ! :) > E Good idea. Not really hairy.  I just took a quick glance at the spec,i= and the beginning of the executable is a directory of machine(E (architecture) id's and a pointer to where that particular executableeG begins in the file. The loader is already handling this.  Each separater0 executable is self-contained within the package.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:07:25 +0100t, From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@eircom.net>Y Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly monopol-7 Message-ID: <20030220190725.1ea302b9.steveo@eircom.net>f  " On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:40:04 -0700 bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca wrote:    BAC> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:  5 BAC> > RC> > board RISC for its DMA controller and ..i( BAC> > 	If it plays records it needs to.  ? 	I didn't put these together - the second was a response to the'> comment that rmk had a stereo system that cost more than a PC.  I BAC> Records sound better useing a valve amp, and I don't expect there tonJ BAC> be a nice fat tube pre amp off the audio D/A on that computer. If you  < 	I wouldn't play records through a PC - stuff that's alreadyA digitised is another matter. Bottles are nice, and so is my Sage.I  B BAC> think about it, had the AMIGA been marked better towards userH BAC> software than just games the better box would still be around. Ben.  5 	Agreed, the Amiga was a much better box than the PC.=   -- =D C:>WIN                                      |     Directable MirrorsJ The computer obeys and wins.                |A Better Way To Focus The SunH You lose and Bill collects.                 |  licenses available - see:F                                             |   http://www.sohara.org/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:19:33 -0600e, From: "Art Beane" <art.beane@mindspring.com>P Subject: RE: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly1 Message-ID: <005301c2d958$0ded9a60$a77ba8c0@artb>   ! IIRC, the predecessor to X was W.t   -----Original Message-----I From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com]=20n) Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:53 AMw To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComlD Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopolyr    I VWS shipped on V4.x systems.  When the VAXstation 2000 was current, VWS =  was D shipping on V4.7, and I believe that it was the first version with aH programming interface.  At that time, X10 (which we had money and people@ doing as a research project at MIT) was in use on Ultrix as an =
 experimentH *on VAX*, and they had some other interface (that I can't remember the = nameH of) they developed in house.  Neither X10 or VWS was really what I wouldG call similar.  Nor was either one really similar to the other older oneTH (again, which I can't remember the name of) that hooked up to a VAX 780.  D In September 1986, Roger Heinen issued the "Heald Pond" memo which =	 sought to D unify the company strategy around windowing systems.  It was heavilyD influenced by Scott McGregor who had come to us from Microsoft.  TheF decision was to end active VWS development, and to pursue the use of aH to-be-developed next version of the X Window System (X11).  It was to beD used as the low-level, network transparent interface to the graphicsG hardware, on top of that was to be put MS Windows.  Of course, MS never > agreed to it, XUI was developed instead, and eventually Motif.  I So.  VWS had been shipping for a long time.  X10 (which anyone who used =s itG won't fondly recall) was in use on Ultrix.  X11 was developed after thelF decision was made to make it the DEC company standard.  DEC funded a = largegC portion of the MIT work, but I believe X10 also ran on some non-DECiC platform.  X11 was targeted to "run on pretty much any toaster with4E intellegence" - which explains some early decisions (like the lack ofT floating point).    = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messageK) news:3E53E73A.F947F263@vl.videotron.ca...  > Bob Koehler wrote:J > >    VWS shipped with VMS 5.0 on the VAXstation 2000.  It was similar=20 > > to the = > >    software on the VAXstation 100 and to MIT X10 windows.a >MF > So at the time VWS shipped, X windows was already available on other platforms ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:07:42 -0500e; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> 0 Subject: Re: Initiating Command on VMS from Unix$ Message-ID: <3e55277e$1@news.si.com>   >FTP> put mainfile.dat
 >FTP> text! >FTP> put vmscommand.com lta6666:   A Let me be more specific.  I've tested the following and it works.e   On VMS:e    $ mcr latcp create port lta6666:, $ set device/spool=(sys$batch,sys$sysdevice)   On PC    FTP> put mainfile.datt
 FTP> ascii& FTP> put myfile.com lta6666:myfile.com   (Job MYFILE runs on VMS) -- rI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com,5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991n8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 17:20:58 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)o' Subject: Madison, successor to McKinleya= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302201720.4880d3cf@posting.google.com>   < From EE Times, http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20030210S0027  @ "Intel's new Itanium 2 entry, code-named Madison, has one of theA largest on-chip caches ever reported: roughly 6 Mbytes of Level 3nA cache, or twice the L3 size of the McKinley processor promoted atcA ISSCC 2002. The 410 million-transistor Madison is manufactured in:@ 130-nanometer CMOS and clocks at 1.5 GHz. It will outperform theC McKinley processor  which is built with 180-nm geometries, has 221oF million transistors and clocks at 1 GHz  by 30 percent to 50 percent.  > Despite the increased size and processing power, Madison meetsC Gelsinger's challenge to raise performance without increasing power ? consumption: Power draw for McKinley and Madison, both aimed at # servers, is on the order of 130 W."    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:08:31 -0500j* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: Madison, successor to McKinleyn2 Message-ID: <uwydnVoFSs3UO8ijXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0302201720.4880d3cf@posting.google.com...o> > From EE Times, http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20030210S0027 >pB > "Intel's new Itanium 2 entry, code-named Madison, has one of theC > largest on-chip caches ever reported: roughly 6 Mbytes of Level 3lC > cache, or twice the L3 size of the McKinley processor promoted at=C > ISSCC 2002. The 410 million-transistor Madison is manufactured inAB > 130-nanometer CMOS and clocks at 1.5 GHz. It will outperform theE > McKinley processor - which is built with 180-nm geometries, has 221aH > million transistors and clocks at 1 GHz - by 30 percent to 50 percent. >=@ > Despite the increased size and processing power, Madison meetsE > Gelsinger's challenge to raise performance without increasing powereA > consumption: Power draw for McKinley and Madison, both aimed atA% > servers, is on the order of 130 W."   G Hmmm.  Sounds as if either Terry misstated the 160 W power drain or was<3 quoting a peak figure vs. a 'typical' figure above.d   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:26:36 -0600q1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n Subject: Re: Memo:  EMU error ' Message-ID: <3E544AEC.3953FECF@fsi.net>e   paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:t > J > It has been pointed out there is an error in the distribution of this. AD > file (macrolib.mlb) is missing. It is not in fact used so you can: > M > Comment out the reference in all the affected files (about 15) by changing:i. >       LIBRARY        /EMU5_LIB:MACROLIB.MLB/ >  > To:s. > ;     LIBRARY        /EMU5_LIB:MACROLIB.MLB/ >  > (or simply delete the line)e  * Could one maybe create an empty .MLB file?   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:33:05 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>K Subject: Re: Migrating from PSI X-25 to another product (hardware/software)A/ Message-ID: <3E551F60.2680ECBC@vl.videotron.ca>n   Fabio Cardoso wrote:= > Is there a way to  substitute a whole VAX + PSI by a routerhJ > - I am imagining any DNPG hardware. The acess must be inbound x outbound  L It has been a long while. But I recall there being a "PSI-light" that ran onL the vax and made use of some sort of DEC router to do all the X.25 work, butM VMS still needed some software to talk to that router and know how to executeD, the SET HOST/X29 for outbound calls etc etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:27:29 +1100// From: Malcolm Wade <Malcolm.Wade@bikerider.com> K Subject: RE: Migrating from PSI X-25 to another product (hardware/software)nC Message-ID: <200302202127.h1KLRTu07560@mail012.syd.optusnet.com.au>r   Fabio,  L You don't indicate wether you're still running VMS on Alpha and wether your=	  users=20eL have access to that server.  There is now a PCI synch card product from HP = which=20L allows you to run native X.25 software on OpenVMS Alpha just like you used = to do=20/ with OpenVMS VAX and a direct attach X.25 link.o  % Checkout the HP web site for details.s   Regards, MalcolmS   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br]t) > Sent: Friday, 21 February 2003 12:29 AMt > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComO8 > Subject: Migrating from PSI X-25 to another product=20 > (hardware/software)  >=20 >=20 > Dear Sirsi >=20A > We have at the company an old VAX 6520 with PSI X.25 installed.WD > The problem is, there is just one group of users - library - which2 > connect to other libraries worldwide using X.25. >=20@ > Is there a way to  substitute a whole VAX + PSI by a router=20B > - I am imagining any DNPG hardware. The acess must be inbound=20 > x outbound >=20 >=20	 > Regardsb >=20 > FC=20D >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+N > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazilo > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brN > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dt   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:52:38 +0000 (UTC)', From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)* Subject: Re: Mousewheel -- working in TPU!. Message-ID: <b33t8m$cd1$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  H Before anybody gets their hopes up, I did not get the mousewheel workingF from the Alpha hardware console.  What does work is the mousewheel on J GNU/Linux displays (and maybe other X-windows platforms like Exceed) whichG have VMS applications such as Mozilla displayed on them.  Mozilla works:, because it recognizes the mousewheel clicks.  J I asked a while back how to make it work in TPU and nobody could tell me. @ Finally with a little guesswork and a lucky hint in the internal# documentation, I have the solution.   I Yeah I know posting code here is frowned upon, but this article in Google G and other news archives will far outlast any website I put up, and it's L quite short.  So in the spirit of cooperative anarchy that is Usenet, I have6 decided to break the rules.  Hit "next" if you object.   There are some quirks:  2     * Using the mousewheel repositions the cursor.  L     * I set the numbers for exponential accelleration (1, 3, 7, 15, 31), butJ     it only works up to the fifth rapid-fire roll, then it starts over.  IK     will probably improve this later for myself by writing actual software,xL     sooner if people here request it.  Of course you can change it to (3, 3,I     3, 3, 3) if you like, just edit the numberic parameters of the SCROLL-
     function.   I     * Scrolling sometimes seems to jump back in the wrong direction, then &     fixes itself.  I have no idea why.  : ! /* MOUSEWHEEL.TPU Keith Lewis 20-FEB-2003 22:10:51.26 */ ! H ! These commands define the mousewheel buttons M4 and M5 to do scrollingH ! in the TPU window.  To add the definitions to EVE, edit this file and  ! use the command  ! ! !     TPU EXECUTE(CURRENT_BUFFER)a !f. ! Then you may "save extended tpu" if you wish !-2 define_key("SCROLL(CURRENT_WINDOW, -1)", M4CLICK);3 define_key("SCROLL(CURRENT_WINDOW, -2)", M4CLICK2);r3 define_key("SCROLL(CURRENT_WINDOW, -4)", M4CLICK3);v3 define_key("SCROLL(CURRENT_WINDOW, -8)", M4CLICK4);g4 define_key("SCROLL(CURRENT_WINDOW, -16)", M4CLICK5);1 define_key("SCROLL(CURRENT_WINDOW, 1)", M5CLICK);t2 define_key("SCROLL(CURRENT_WINDOW, 2)", M5CLICK2);2 define_key("SCROLL(CURRENT_WINDOW, 4)", M5CLICK3);2 define_key("SCROLL(CURRENT_WINDOW, 8)", M5CLICK4);3 define_key("SCROLL(CURRENT_WINDOW, 16)", M5CLICK5);   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:46:51 GMTuL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")1 Subject: Re: Need help passing text to executableI6 Message-ID: <00A1BC90.832B06B9@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  d In article <Xns932862EE6D3A7riplipsyahoocom@129.250.170.98>, Mark Fisher <riplips@yahoo.com> writes:I >I am trying to pass text/input to an executable program via a text file .3 >and redefining sys$input using the typical format:t >m& >$ define/user sys$input text_file.txt$ >$ define/user sys$command sys$input >$ run program.exe >e" >text_file.txt contains stuff like >t >hello >goodbye >12345 ><ESC>[S >e >tI >    	Here's the problem. The first 3 lines of text get passed correctly fH >to the program. Then the program requires an interactive user to press D >the F6, F7, F8 - F10 button. So the problem is how to develope the J >correct escape sequences in a text file to pass. Remember, this is a raw E >text file and cannot contain any DCL commands or symbols. Also, the tI >executable program uses SMG for I/O, if this has anything to do with it.t > , >    	Any help would be greatly appreciated,  O I don't think you can do exactly what you're trying to do the way you're trying @ to do, for the reason Arne suggests: SMG can't read from a file.  G If you have DECset, the regression testing support in DTM (Digital Test M Manager) is designed to handle stuff like this, and I've seen reports in thisy% forum that it does a really good job.t  pM It also seems very likely to me that you could use Kermit to script this kindsK of thing; you'd have to script a login and running the program as well, but I then it'd be reading from a terminal and Kermit would be sending stuff ase) though it were being typed at a keyboard.a  M If you don't want to do that, I think you need to investigate pseudo-terminale devices (PTDs).I   -- Alanh    O ===============================================================================t0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025eO ===============================================================================t   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 19:26:49 -08001 From: jeffrey.marsh@rentagrad.com (Jeffrey Marsh)i1 Subject: Re: Need help passing text to executable = Message-ID: <9e1f8df9.0302201926.6aee8d54@posting.google.com>c  i Mark Fisher <riplips@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<Xns932862EE6D3A7riplipsyahoocom@129.250.170.98>...l+ > ...So the problem is how to develope the i2 > correct escape sequences in a text file to pass.  E If all you want to do is to get an escape character into a text file,b# the easiest thing to do is use EVE:i  
 $ EDIT/TPUA position cursor where you want the escape, <CTRL-V> then <CTRL-[>H  F This will get an escape into the file, but may not solve your problem.   --jeff;    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 18:59:08 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)t5 Subject: New Toolkit modernizes RTR with java supportc= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302201859.2638a7a9@posting.google.com>f  D RTR comes free with VMS, and can be used to set up high-availabilityE (even disaster-tolerant) configurations where data is shadowed at theh@ transaction level.  If you need to shadow data across a distanceD greater than the 500-mile limit of VMS clusters, this is a great way? to do it.  If you're curious about RTR, and how it compares and   contrasts with VMS clusters, seeS http://www.geocities.com/keithparris/decus_presentations/f99_rtr_cf_vmsclusters.pptt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:21:24 -0500S  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>4 Subject: Re: ODS-2 read/write filesystem for Linux ?6 Message-ID: <1030220231506.26253A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ' On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Joshua Cope wrote:x  F > I don't think anyone's using Linux for development anymore. The onlyE > thing I know of that's not built on VMS (using cross-compilers) at eD > this point is the VMS loader program, which is an EFI application. > N > > Did they dual-boot the IA system into Linux and use an ODS-2/5 filesystem A > > to write the disk?  (Thus getting this reply back on topic...n > G > At http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/02/11/2398316, did you M > notice the funny looking beige drive sticking out of the top of the Itanium N > box? That's a poor man's hot swappable drive bay; the files were moved onto  > the system via Sneakernet. t > K > We certainly won't have writable ODS2/5 support under Linux anytime soon.a  E Thanks for the info.  I think a discussion of how you went about this8B would make a good DECUS/CETS/HPETS/whatever-it's-called-these-days session.  B Stuff like how you decide what order to do things, whether you hadB to toggle in any boot code in the modern equivalent of ODT at some8 stage, "What did you do in the Itanium Wars, Daddy?" :-)   Congrats, BTW!     -- r John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:24:57 -0000 - From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com>'- Subject: Opinion of Quanta Training in the UKyE Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CB1ED@tahiti.tinuk.com>p  C If anyone in the UK has used the services of QUANTA in any of theireG training, would they like to share their experience with me, as they'vee@ been put forward as a company for Tru64/VMS/etc training for new employees here.v   Cheers   Steve Spires Technical Consultant Torex Health [T] +44 (0) 1295 274200w [F] +44 (0) 1295 275131o
 www.torex.come   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 14:29:13 -0800, From: mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin)2 Subject: Oracle 9i 9.2.0.2 (release 2) differences< Message-ID: <e9cbc4f2.0302201429.aacc53b@posting.google.com>  E I had posted a couple of queries related to my Oracle 9i install overe@ the last 2 weeks. A few replies confused me a little, and then aE couple of people told me that they had installed 9i and it was fairly F problem free and pretty much the same as 8i. So, I thought I'd clarifyB a little here, mainly for people that may be looking at installing
 release 2.  B The release 2 is not just a few bug fixes or a maintenance update.2 Here are some of the changes I've run into so far:  E - The latest Java for VMS is required for install, along with severalsA VMS patches. However, once the java/x-windows install is started,hE Oracle then uses it's own java from the CD. (I can't remember whethere" or not that was the case with 8i.)  F - There is no longer an "oracleins.com" for routine dba tasks. Now youD must run "dbca.com" which starts another java/x-windows app. For me,B the older oracleins.com was very easy to use and reliable. I don't! find the new dbca very intuitive.3  E - The SVRMGRL program is no longer used. Instead, SQLPlus is used for F startup and shutdown as well. Actually, this change _may_ have been inB release 1 as well. And personally, this is one change that I think actually makes sense.p  F - They list 256MB as the minimum requirement but it turns out that theD 256 requirement is for _installation_ and is not necessarily supportB to actually start up an instance. I am still trying to get this toE work. (The reason I brought up this is for the rest of you "hobbyist"  users.)y  F - An ODS-5 volume is required to install release 2. The database filesF apparently can be on ODS-2 volumes but the temporary install (ORA_BASEF I think?) and the Oracle software (ORA_ROOT) must be on ODS-5 volumes.= The new structure is many more than eight levels deep and thewF directory names are mixed case and contain "." in the directory names,= necessitating the "^" to tell VMS that the dot is part of the.F directory name and not a delimiter. Here are a few examples from doing! a DIR DKB1000:[ORACLE9I...]*.dir:A  J DKB1000:[ORACLE9I.inventory.Components21.oracle^.bali^.ice.5^.06^.8^.0^.0]  sT DKB1000:[ORACLE9I.inventory.Components21.oracle^.bali^.ewt.3^.4^.13^.0^.0.resources]  1 In my install, the count of ".dir" files is 1456.s  ? - The platform-specific documentation for VMS looks OK from the C index/table of contenst level but is severely lacking in detail. If B you go to OTN and metalink and the included html files with the CD? set, you can eventually piece together most of what you need tohF install and migrate databases. However, it is mostly very Unix-centricE and has some incorrect information. For example, the install pdf filesD says that the CD files can me copied to disk to improve installation> performance but the example command given is wrong. Here is an excerpt:  = "Installation Option, Installing Oracle9i from the Hard Drivek  : You can avoid the need to mount and unmount CD-ROMs during installation by B copying the contents of each CD-ROM to your system hard drive. You must have a-C file system that is not in use by other applications. You must also-- have at least 2.5 GB of disk space available. C 1. Copy the CD-ROMs to your system hard drive. Copy the contents ofM each- CD-ROM to a directory on a disk. For example:p$ $ copy <first CD> disk$disk1:[cdrom]% $ copy <second CD> disk$disk1:[cdrom]1F 2. Start the Oracle Universal Installer from the hard disk. The Oracle	 UniversalrF Installer automatically finds the contents of each CD-ROM and does not promptF for the location of any CD-ROM during the course of the installation."  E I believe what it is really looking for is an image copy of the CD on>E a disk. Since I didn't have that many blank disks to spare, I used LDo' devices and did a backup/image to them.l      C I hope this is helpful. I was definitely caught off guard with justAD how different the requirements and system resources are with release 2.   Bill McLaughlin    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 18:44:34 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)h$ Subject: Oracle on OpenVMS on Marvel= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302201844.55bbd6fc@posting.google.com>M  F There's a neat new brochure about Oracle on OpenVMS (and Tru64) on the& latest (Marvel) Alphaserver systems atU http://www.hp.com/solutions1/oracle/downloads/alphaserver_systems_brochure_012003.pdf-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:12:54 -0500x* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: Oracle on OpenVMS on Marvel2 Message-ID: <OYecnSfrmc_SOsijXTWcpQ@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0302201844.55bbd6fc@posting.google.com...,H > There's a neat new brochure about Oracle on OpenVMS (and Tru64) on the( > latest (Marvel) Alphaserver systems at > L http://www.hp.com/solutions1/oracle/downloads/alphaserver_systems_brochure_0	 12003.pdfe  J No benchmarks, though:  can't do anything that might make Itanic look bad.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:50:10 -0600e( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>C Subject: Re: Pathworks Advanced Server and OpenVMS upgrade sequencen2 Message-ID: <jKGcndLDjd8Iwc2jXTWc-g@speakeasy.net>  
 Rob, Rick,G      thanks for responding.  The Pathworks upgrade went fine; we ended lI up with some unexpected problems with pathworks writing ACLs on files it rI should not have, and that impacted the actual VMS upgrade, but Pathworks +$ itself worked fine before and after.   Rich Jordanj   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 13:04:03 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) Y Subject: Press Release - HP Introduces Dual Itanium 2-based Processor Module and Super-sc ; Message-ID: <857e9e41.0302201304.69b8c3@posting.google.com>t  F HP Introduces Dual Itanium 2-based Processor Module and Super-scalable Chipsete  D Innovations Provide Customers Lower Costs, Increased Performance and Investment Protectionu  7 SAN JOSE, Calif., Intel Developer Forum, Feb. 18, 2003  P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------  ? HP (NYSE:HPQ) today continued to drive technology leadership inaE Itanium 2-based servers by announcing the HP super-scalable processorc@ chipset sx1000 and the HP mx2 dual processor module using IntelD Itanium 2 processors. These products enable enterprise customers toE keep IT costs down by easily scaling performance in existing servers.:  D In addition, the chipset and module provide customers greater systemE performance by further scaling the size of HP servers using Itanium 2 = processors as well as doubling the number of future Itanium 2 , processors that can be used in an HP server.  ? "The ability to scale performance while keeping costs down is anC critical factor for enterprises today," said Scott Stallard, senioroA vice president and general manager, HP Business Critical Systems. B "Innovations like the sx1000 chipset and mx2 dual processor moduleA deliver increased performance, lower cost and enhanced investmenteC protection for customers while providing unique differentiation fore HP."  < The HP sx1000 chipset enables high-speed interaction betweenC processors, input/output, and memory and supports both the upcomingcC Intel Itanium 2 and HP PA-8800 processors. In addition, the chipset E provides investment protection for PA-RISC customers by enabling them B to transition to Itanium-based systems through a simple cell board swap.2  B With the chipset, HP plans to deliver Itanium 2-based systems thatF offer the broadest choice in the industry of the HP-UX, Linux and muchF anticipated Microsoft Windows Server 2003 operating environments andC their related applications. Additionally the OpenVMS environment iso6 expected to be available for early adopters this year.  B The HP mx2 dual processor module is designed to combine two futureE Itanium 2 processors and a 32-MB L4 cache onto a single daughter card5= module that is pin-compatible with existing Madison Itanium 2nC processor sockets. By doubling the number of processors that can beh@ installed in an Itanium 2-based HP server, customers can achieveF greater system performance for workloads that scale with an increasingD number of processors. The module is planned to be available across a? wide range of Itanium 2-based HP servers -- from entry-level tooE high-end -- in the first half of 2004 while delivering scalability upr to 128 processors.  F "Performance, choice and value are three key demands from corporations? and institutions, and more and more why customers are deploying D Itanium 2-based systems every day for their enterprise and technicalE computing needs," said Mike Fister, senior vice president and generalcC manager, Intel Enterprise Platforms Group. "HP's announcement todayrC delivers on all of these needs, with an innovative processor modulen6 and multi-OS functionality at excellent price points."  ? In recent TPC-C benchmarks measuring commercial performance, HPdE demonstrated with the Itanium 2-based HP Server rx5670 the industry'sgD best four-processor performance versus Sparc, Power4 and every other@ architecture across UNIX, Windows and Linux environments.(1) In@ addition, the HP Server rx5670 has posted record performance forE technical applications with a SPECfp_base2000 result of 1,431 as welluC as the leading one-processor and two-processor SPECfp_rate_base2000v results.(2)l  D During the keynote address on Thursday at the Intel Developer Forum,? Stallard and Fister will be demonstrating an Itanium 2-based HPnB Superdome server with an sx1000 chipset running HP-UX, Windows andB Linux operating systems simultaneously. The demo highlights the HPF server's multi-operating system functionality on the industry-standard: Itanium architecture to meet the diverse customer workload: requirements of today's enterprise computing capabilities.   Availability  E The sx1000-based version of Superdome is expected to ship with futurepA Itanium 2 processor 6 MB (Madison) in mid-2003. Mid-range serversi@ using sx1000 are expected to ship in the second half of 2003. HPF intends to begin shipping mx2-based servers in the first half of 2004.   About HP  D HP is a leading global provider of products, technologies, solutionsF and services to consumers and businesses. The company's offerings span@ IT infrastructure, personal computing and access devices, globalB services and imaging and printing. HP completed its acquisition ofE Compaq Computer Corporation on May 3, 2002. More information about HPa" is available at http://www.hp.com.  ; (1) A complete list of all TPC-C benchmarks is available ats http://www.tpc.org/.  > (2) Competitive benchmark results stated above reflect resultsF published on http://www.spec.org as of Feb 14, 2003. The latest SPECfp@ benchmark results are available at http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/.    P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------    B Intel and Itanium are trademarks or registered trademarks of Intel> Corporation or its subsidiaries in the United States and otherB countries. Microsoft and Windows are U.S. registered trademarks ofF Microsoft Corp. UNIX is a registered trademark of the Open Group. SPEC> and the benchmark name SPECfp are registered trademarks of the, Standard Performance Evaluation Corporation.      P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------  B This news release contains forward-looking statements that involve? risks, uncertainties and assumptions. All statements other thanjA statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemed.@ forward-looking statements. Risks, uncertainties and assumptions? include the possibility that the market for the sale of certaineC products and services may not develop as expected; that developmentiA and performance of these products and services may not proceed asoE planned; and other risks that are described from time to time in HP's E Securities and Exchange Commission reports, including but not limited>A to HP's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended October 31,rE 2002, as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on JanuarynB 21, 2003, and subsequently filed reports. If any of these risks or= uncertainties materializes or any of these assumptions provesnF incorrect, HP's results could differ materially from HP's expectations= in these statements. HP assumes no obligation to update thesel forward-looking statements.t   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 20:44:07 -0800: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)0 Subject: Re: Quest: Readable format of  vmsdate.= Message-ID: <7f15589f.0302202044.3b25538e@posting.google.com>y  W hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<2QT4a.7$HS3.6@news.cpqcorp.net>... \ > In article <1045623132.206874@sky.aect.cuhk.edu.hk>, "Albert" <kinace@hotmail.com> writes: > O > :Dump the vmsdata from RMS file, the data is 009CF82606617BC0, which is showni3 > :in readsble format is "20-NOV-1998 15:50:56.00".e  B To add to the chorus, my favorite method is this (probably wrapped
 one-liner:  B $ perl -"MVMS::Misc" -e "$dt=pack(qq{L2}, 0x06617BC0, 0x009CF826);$ print VMS::Misc::quad_to_date($dt);" 20-NOV-1998 15:50:56.63t  F where the VMS::Misc extension is available via http://search.cpan.org.E   Note that the rather awkward packing of two longwords into a string F would be unnecessary in your case if you are reading in this data fromD a file.  Somebody's off by 0.63 seconds -- don't know if it's you or me.   A If you need to manipulate the quadword times on a non-VMS system,eB there is a pure-Perl (no extension required) example of converting5 them to seconds since 1/1/1970 (the UNIX epoch) here:c  H <http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/vmsperl/1998-11/msg00063.html>   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:11:50 GMT>, From: "Ken Randell" <ken.randell@fortel.com>3 Subject: Re: Questions about simh & OpenVMS installg8 Message-ID: <GVf5a.49316$rE3.47172@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>  K Perhaps Mr. Supnik will jump in here, but FWIW, I have used the VAX SIMH onHJ a PC.  Since all of the devices are emulated, you have to copy the CD diskL images to a PC 'container' file and then attach them when you start up SIMH;K I have done this to install hobby versions of the VAX FORTRAN compiler, fort2 example (to compile DUNGEON and ADVENT of course).  G Unless it's changed recently, you can't use 'real' devices when running J SIMH.  All mass-storage devices (disk and tape) use these container files.I Terminal I/O is done via telnet sessions; recent versions of VAX SIMH forcG Windows/Linux (perhaps others) have ethernet support available as well.b   Ken Randells   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:27:11 -0500.' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>b7 Subject: Quirk using SYSMAN and Create/Terminal=DECTERM , Message-ID: <b33a6g$hd5$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>  J Another system manager at our site has a local command procedure that usesJ sysman to execute a command procedure on a remote node to create a dectermH window on her x-terminal connected to the remote node.  To reproduce theL problem, the commands in her remote command procedure can be reduced down to the following two commands:   D $ set display/create/node=<ip address of x-terminal>/transport=tcpip& $ create/terminal=decterm/detach/big -> /window_attributes=(initial_state=icon,title="window title", -, icon_name="icon name",background=powderblue)  K The first time these commands are executed through sysman, everything worksyD correctly.  She receives a decterm window with the display correctlyL defined.  However, if she tries to create a second decterm window using thisK procedure on the same remote node (different nodes do not have a problem asgL long as it is the first connection to that node), when the sysman command isF terminated (i.e., the remote command procedure completes), the displayJ device (WSAxxx:) is deleted.  I demonstrated this by adding a wait commandJ at the end of the remote procedure and performing show display commands inL the new window when it was created.  This leaves her with a window without aH working display set.  The window can be used as a VT type window, but inK order to do any x-windows, she has to perform the set display/create again.1L I could understand this if the first instance behaved the same as subsequentL attaches, but the first attach works fine without losing the display device.K I have also replicated the problem using DECnet as the transport.  This haseG been demonstrated on several different hardware platforms (both VAX andnL Alpha) and VMS versions, but the primary one is AlphaServer 4100 running VMS' V7.2-2.  The IP stack is Multinet V4.4.d  4 The sysman command procedure can be reduced down to:   $ mcr sysman" set environment/node=<remote_node> do @remote_command_procedure    < Thanks for any insight to this problem that you can provide.     --
 Dale A. Marcyy VMS System Manager5 SAIC - Science Applications International Corporationm   Berra's Universal Law -a2 "Before everything changed, it was all different."   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 16:51:43 -0800/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)w; Subject: Re: Quirk using SYSMAN and Create/Terminal=DECTERMk= Message-ID: <754a27c1.0302201651.7d2cde23@posting.google.com>o  [ "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov> wrote in message news:<b33a6g$hd5$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>... L > Another system manager at our site has a local command procedure that usesL > sysman to execute a command procedure on a remote node to create a dectermJ > window on her x-terminal connected to the remote node.  To reproduce theN > problem, the commands in her remote command procedure can be reduced down to > the following two commands:l > F > $ set display/create/node=<ip address of x-terminal>/transport=tcpip( > $ create/terminal=decterm/detach/big -@ > /window_attributes=(initial_state=icon,title="window title", -. > icon_name="icon name",background=powderblue) > M > The first time these commands are executed through sysman, everything works F > correctly.  She receives a decterm window with the display correctlyN > defined.  However, if she tries to create a second decterm window using thisM > procedure on the same remote node (different nodes do not have a problem ashN > long as it is the first connection to that node), when the sysman command isH > terminated (i.e., the remote command procedure completes), the displayL > device (WSAxxx:) is deleted.  I demonstrated this by adding a wait commandL > at the end of the remote procedure and performing show display commands inN > the new window when it was created.  This leaves her with a window without aJ > working display set.  The window can be used as a VT type window, but inM > order to do any x-windows, she has to perform the set display/create again.mN > I could understand this if the first instance behaved the same as subsequentN > attaches, but the first attach works fine without losing the display device.M > I have also replicated the problem using DECnet as the transport.  This hastI > been demonstrated on several different hardware platforms (both VAX and N > Alpha) and VMS versions, but the primary one is AlphaServer 4100 running VMS) > V7.2-2.  The IP stack is Multinet V4.4.n > 6 > The sysman command procedure can be reduced down to: >  > $ mcr sysman$ > set environment/node=<remote_node> > do @remote_command_procedure >  > > > Thanks for any insight to this problem that you can provide.    I Try removing the "/CREATE" switch from subsequent "SET DISPLAY" commands.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:57:29 +0400 4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>) Subject: Re[2]: stupid batch job question 4 Message-ID: <1996435229.20030221095729@ncc.volga.ru>  = On 20.02.2003 Alan E. Feldman <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:.  r > Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru> wrote in message news:<1835046036.20030220093411@ncc.volga.ru>... [snip]  >> $ myproc = f$env("PROCEDURE")H >> $ path = myproc-f$parse(myproc,,,"VERSION")-f$parse(myproc,,,"TYPE")- >>   -f$parse(myproc,,,"NAME") >> $ sql 'path'MY.SQL0  A > No. 4 is dangerous. Suppose the NAME is also a substring of theoC > directory-spec. Then it won't work. Even TYPE might appear in thep > dir-spec.i  + > Example:  DSA1:[ONE.TWO.THREE]ONE.TWO;232  [snip]  B   Yes. My fault. Thank you. Just another proof to "keep it simple"
 principle.   -- e
 Best regards,e#  Valentin                          e(  valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 19:15:13 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) . Subject: Samsung trades in Alpha for Itanium 2= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302201915.3d874253@posting.google.com>t  B This article, although about Linux, is intriguing because it's theF first case I recall seeing where a company isn't waiting until 2005 to& make the switch from Alpha to Itanium.  F "HP Itanium 2based solution becomes the foundation of Samsung Group's computing strategy  E Samsung Advanced Institute of Technology (SAIT) in Korea acquires the F latest technology and commercializes it for a variety of markets, suchA as energy and biotechnology. SAIT also sets long-term and midtermbE technology strategies and provides MIS services for Samsung Group. Tos? advance its capabilities in the area of grid computing, SAIT isyF creating a supercomputing environment using 16 HP rx2600 servers based on the Itanium 2 processor.   B Until recently, SAIT's supercomputing environment was based on 128F Alpha chips running Linux. When the lease period for the Alpha clusterC system was nearing its end, SAIT decided to introduce a new cluster.> system based on the most advanced technologies available. SAIT> selected HP Itanium 2based systems based on several criteria,B including confidence in the future success and market dominance ofB Itanium, superior price/performance, and a longstanding successfulE relationship with HP. The HP Itanium 2based systems also enable SAIToF to pursue a strategy based on multiple operating systems to streamlineF software development. The multiple operating system strategy lets SAITF acquire the technology know-how needed to develop, test, and introduceB future systems, regardless of operating system. Thanks to thoroughC planning, SAIT expects to provide supercomputer services to SamsunglB Group based on Itanium as early as in March 2003. For the complete7 case study, visit http://www.hp.com/products1/itanium."D   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Feb 2003 10:58:52 +0100O From: pmoreau@dev.ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40)u" Subject: Soundcards for EV6 Alphas! Message-ID: <WL7YuN++I4Ip@sinead>o   Hi,o  H what soundcard are currenty supported on alphas llike DS10, 20 etc ... ?G The Compaq Ensoniq AudioPCI seems to be EOLed now (I was able to find aiK refurbished one for a DS10 recently bought at work). Is there another model-> available ? Or is it possible to use some SoundBlaster cards ?   TIA.   Patrick  --O ===============================================================================gN pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================3   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 03 09:44:45 EST From: grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu" Subject: SSL and LDAP with VMS 7.3/ Message-ID: <0j7Ijgd9JczU@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>   F Has anyone written any SSL enabled LDAP client software using the LDAP services in OpenVMS 7.3+?   K I'm trying to set up the SSL connection, but I can't find any documentationBK or examples of how to do it.  It is different than the Iplanet/SunOne stuffsJ I've used on Solaris, but the documentation and header files agree that it
 is supported.   @ Does anyone have documenation or example code available on this?  E And, what certificate authority file is required? I have the cert7.dbdE file from Mozilla for VMS, but don't know if that is what is required  or not.    Thanks for any help.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:12:35 -0800t$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>' Subject: Sun and Opteron rumours again.r0 Message-ID: <01C2D91C.747C2580@sulfer.icius.com>  ( http://www.theinquirer.org/?article=7894  H "INFORMED SOURCES called Tara tell us that when AMD launches its OpteronF 64-bit processor on the 22nd of April, Sun Microsystems will certainly, be introducing a product based on the chip."   OK, I'm intrigued.  >  #####   -----------------------------------------------------? #-O-O-# | Arthur: "It's times like this I wish I'd listened   | ? #  L  # | to what my Mother used to say." Ford: Why, what did |5?  #===#  | she say?" Arthur: "I don't know, I didn't listen."  |e>   ###    -----------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:24:48 +0400O4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>+ Subject: Re: Sun and Opteron rumours again.f3 Message-ID: <288074406.20030221102448@ncc.volga.ru>i  3 On 21.02.2003 Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:   * > http://www.theinquirer.org/?article=7894  J > "INFORMED SOURCES called Tara tell us that when AMD launches its OpteronH > 64-bit processor on the 22nd of April, Sun Microsystems will certainly'                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^sB Hmm... It's Lenin' birthday, BTW. I remember that in USSR everyoneC wanted (was forced) to deliver any result to this day regardless ofy: readyness. Result was far from perfect quit offten though.   -- T
 Best regards,M#  Valentin                          T(  valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:44:59 +0100-; From: "Thomas Egenberger" <thomas.egenberger@technidata.de>L- Subject: Systemcrash after login after reboot ' Message-ID: <b2qool$67r$1@news.dtag.de>N   Hello,  2 after an Update to OpenVMS 7.31 and installing all3 neccessary patches the Alphaserver is crashing withC5 INVTQEFMT, if you try to login directly after reboot, 6 or if you starting for example Oracle in a batch queue from systartup_vms.com.-  6 If you wait some time after reboot, you can log in andF you can start Oracle by hand in the same way as from systartup_vms.com  
 Any Ideas? Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:41:30 -0400C0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: SYSUAF Proxy,/ Message-ID: <3E552158.F7D7AEC0@vl.videotron.ca>r   Bob Koehler wrote:C >    If you really want to use DECnet, be very carefull of securityu$ >    issues, and yes it can be done.  N Wouldn't one have to setup some extensive DECNET proxies to have SYSUAF reside' on another node ? (one for each user ?)t   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 08:57:04 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)f Subject: Re: SYSUAF Proxy 3 Message-ID: <RYEYEORZb18E@eisner.encompasserve.org>F  q In article <20030220133109.20326.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:e > Dear Sirs  > 8 > Is there a way to use the logical name SYSUAF pointing > to another server's SYSUAF  ?g9 > I am planning to migrate from a AS-2100 to a AS-800, so 6 > we dont want to copy the SYSUAF right now, and I was5 > thinking in use the SYSUAF logical name pointing toh > other-node::SYSUAF et al ! r  D    Sounds like you want to use DECnet to access the SYAUF instead ofD    clustering?  If clustered, just define the logical (/exec/system)*    to point to the file on the other disk.  A    If you really want to use DECnet, be very carefull of security "    issues, and yes it can be done.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 20:59:59 -0800) From: anickerj@comcast.net (Jeff Anicker)l0 Subject: telnet timeout/hang vms7.3-1, tcpip 5.3= Message-ID: <977914c8.0302202059.43fe1af2@posting.google.com>   D I recently upgraded 2 alpha 8400's to vms 7.3-1 with tcpip 5.3 eco 2C from vms 7.3, tcpip 5.1.  I am now faced with an elusive issue with=D some telnet sessions becoming frozen.  The user logs out and back inE and they are then fine.  The issue seems to arise most often when theoA users leave their telnet session idle for some time.  However, noiF specific time has been measured.  I'm not entirely sure if the user isF actually having their telnet session logged out or if they find it notF responding and then log out themselves by closing the session.  I haveD not been able to reproduce the error and user reports would indicateE both scenarios.  There are also conflicting reports of slowness since6" the upgrade with these users only.  > The only lead I currently have is that this only appears to beF happening to external customers (at multiple locations) who connect to? us through dedicated circuit lines that run through a cisco pix @ firewall.  We have thoroughly checked out the firewall, routers,E circuits and switch that these customers connect to and have found norC errors nor have any changes been made to their configurations.  Thee' firewall was rebooted for good measure.l  D It does not appear to be a physical disconnect as I can continuouslyD ping a user without losing a packet when they experience the issue. E In at least one instance I could still see the session of the user asg> active on the system and it showed connected using the netstatC command.  Also the users in the same location do not experience theeC disconnects at the same time.  If it were a network related issue Ir? would expect to see multiple users in the same location gettingr disconnected at the same time.  E I contacted HP support and they did not believe it could be a timeoutRC setting and only advised to do packet sniffing.  Due to the extremewE randomness of the problem packet sniffing would seem like a needle in. a haystack.-  D I recently read that upgrading the firmware may cause settings to beC reset on the ethernet device.  I did upgrade the firware but do notmB see that the device settings have changed in comparison to anotherB alpha that was not upgraded.  Also, the maxbuf parameter is set at? 8192, another item I read that can be an issue if set too high.w  B Has anyone experienced similar issues?  Does anyone have advice on? troubleshooting techniques for this?  If any further info I can + provide will be helpful please let me know.n   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 11:15:02 -0800$ From: rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan)' Subject: Re: telnet to Win2000 from VMS3= Message-ID: <fbcf38dc.0302201115.29d586af@posting.google.com>e  + What Nic Clews said pretty well sums it up.?  F > You need to run an FTP server, or the w2k admin needs to "allow" theI > service. This could be not happening due to a security issue, or simply/D > that the server is not running. Ask your admins, this is NOT a VMS > issue.  ? Basically, a program has to be available on the NT/2000 side towF receive the incoming FTP requests and respond using the FTP protocol. C Such a server does not come with NT or Win2k, it has to be obtained  from a third party.   F I have heard rumors that such software is available for NT, etc. but ID have never seen it.  Basically, the way I have always dealt with FTPD and NT is: all FTP activity both to and from NT have to start on theC NT side.  NT does not do FTP "listening" (for service requests), itxE only "talks."  (Obviously, it has to both send and receive packets as9E part of the FTP protocol but FTP connections can only start on the NTt side.)   Regards,	 /RC BryanQ   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:07:50 -0500 # From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>d' Subject: RE: telnet to Win2000 from VMSf: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDGELKCMAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message------ > From: RC Bryan [mailto:rcbryan@hotmail.com] + > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:15 PM- > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com:) > Subject: Re: telnet to Win2000 from VMSM >  > - > What Nic Clews said pretty well sums it up.e > H > > You need to run an FTP server, or the w2k admin needs to "allow" theK > > service. This could be not happening due to a security issue, or simplywF > > that the server is not running. Ask your admins, this is NOT a VMS
 > > issue. > A > Basically, a program has to be available on the NT/2000 side totH > receive the incoming FTP requests and respond using the FTP protocol. E > Such a server does not come with NT or Win2k, it has to be obtainedj > from a third party.a > H > I have heard rumors that such software is available for NT, etc. but IF > have never seen it.  Basically, the way I have always dealt with FTPF > and NT is: all FTP activity both to and from NT have to start on theE > NT side.  NT does not do FTP "listening" (for service requests), ittG > only "talks."  (Obviously, it has to both send and receive packets asoG > part of the FTP protocol but FTP connections can only start on the NTv > side.) > 
 > Regards, > /RC Bryanc  Q Both W2K and NT4 Server comes standard with an FTP server. It's bundled with IIS.e   Dan    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:01:08 -0500u& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>' Subject: Re: telnet to Win2000 from VMSl. Message-ID: <ehc5a.85$225.23@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dan Allen wrote:   >  > S > Both W2K and NT4 Server comes standard with an FTP server. It's bundled with IIS.n >  > Dann  F XP Pro as well.  You just have to enable/configure IIS.  I use it all F the time at home to move files between my iMac (OS 9.1) and my Wintel  box running XP Pro.y   -- b John Reagan.' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leaders Hewlett-Packard Companya   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2003 21:39:17 GMT% From: Mark Fisher <riplips@yahoo.com>s' Subject: RE: telnet to Win2000 from VMSe< Message-ID: <Xns9328951421566riplipsyahoocom@129.250.170.91>  & "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> wrote in3 news:JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDGELKCMAA.dallen@nist.gov:     >  >  >> -----Original Message-----h. >> From: RC Bryan [mailto:rcbryan@hotmail.com], >> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:15 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* >> Subject: Re: telnet to Win2000 from VMS >> 5 >> .. >> What Nic Clews said pretty well sums it up. >> 1E >> > You need to run an FTP server, or the w2k admin needs to "allow"tF >> > the service. This could be not happening due to a security issue,G >> > or simply that the server is not running. Ask your admins, this isk >> > NOT a VMS issue.  >>  B >> Basically, a program has to be available on the NT/2000 side toH >> receive the incoming FTP requests and respond using the FTP protocol.F >> Such a server does not come with NT or Win2k, it has to be obtained >> from a third party. >> ,G >> I have heard rumors that such software is available for NT, etc. butmE >> I have never seen it.  Basically, the way I have always dealt with G >> FTP and NT is: all FTP activity both to and from NT have to start oneG >> the NT side.  NT does not do FTP "listening" (for service requests),gH >> it only "talks."  (Obviously, it has to both send and receive packetsH >> as part of the FTP protocol but FTP connections can only start on the >> NT side.) >> s >> Regards,e >> /RC Bryan > A > Both W2K and NT4 Server comes standard with an FTP server. It'sC > bundled with IIS.  >  > DanM >     D I use Netmanage/Cameleon and it works great. It has a GUI based ftp A server that provides all the security bells and whistles as well.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:59:48 -0500i& From: "Daniel Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>' Subject: RE: telnet to Win2000 from VMS : Message-ID: <BCEGLBGJDODLELBJIADKMEHLCFAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----/ > From: John Reagan [mailto:john.reagan@hp.com] + > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 4:01 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma) > Subject: Re: telnet to Win2000 from VMSh >f >  > Dan Allen wrote: >  > >u > >iC > > Both W2K and NT4 Server comes standard with an FTP server. It'sh > bundled with IIS.M > >h > > Dan- >-G > XP Pro as well.  You just have to enable/configure IIS.  I use it allpG > the time at home to move files between my iMac (OS 9.1) and my Wintelv > box running XP Pro.1 >3 > --
 > John Reagant) > Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leaderh > Hewlett-Packard Company  >d  J 	Yes, Windows 2000 PRO as well. I thought so but didn't have my CD at workJ 	so I waited to double check.  FTP, SMTP, TELNET servers standard with W2KI 	Any or all may be installed with or without IIS. BTW, TELNET server alsolD 	supports NTLM encrypted login in addition to/in lieu of traditionalH 	clear text username/password. First time I tested the TELNET service onG one of our new W2K servers and was connected as Administrator without a49 username/password dialog I damn near dirtied my britches.h  J 	Not sure if these services will install or run on NT4 Workstation but I'mI 	inclined to think they will. Not sure what the licensing issues might bey 	now that PWS is a dead horse.   	Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:18:39 -0400l0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS / Message-ID: <3E551BFE.8D855102@vl.videotron.ca>P   Nic Clews wrote:H > Speed isn't and hasn't been an issue for OpenVMS. Do you want it fast,< > or reliable? That's the OpenVMS difference, data is safer.  L Alpha's higher speed and "clusterability" (real clusters as well as WildfireR style arrangements) compensated for VMS' higher overhead to ensure data integrity.  J But with VMS moving to an unimpressive chip, its performance will truly be< lower than everyone else and this may start to matter a lot.  H You need low prices and lots of marketing to sell a product that doesn't> perform the fastest. VMS nas neither low prices nor marketing.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 11:47:15 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMSl= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0302201147.7703b36c@posting.google.com>c  r "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<hhY4a.18802$Zr%.2108@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... > F > Sorry to tell you that the AS/400 did remarkably well for IBM.. bothH > as the successor to System 36 and 38 systems, and as a significant VAXG > sale thief even at sites that did not have a System 36/38 to replace.0G > AS/400 had a pretty big catalog of 3rd party applications available -r/ > probably bigger than Digital had for VAX/VMS.   B only because it ran in sys3x mode, which unfortunately they forgot= to tell the customer base killed 50% of the processor ... ande= you talk about crash city and locked in menu city, os400 is a # nightmare os ... typical of IBM ...a   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 11:49:39 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0302201149.748cedea@posting.google.com>S  l baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) wrote in message news:<c5cf6e8.0302191104.430817ea@posting.google.com>...H > OpenVMS users are kidding themselves if they think it can survive as aD > viable platform.  Their product is being handled by a company thatA > views it as an end-stage legacy system and "political" tool forn: > getting in bed with Intel.  Their market is not growing. > E > The Itanic simply isn't keeping up with the other chips out there. 8G > It's totally outclassed in terms of price at the low end and in termsfG > of performance at the high end.  A news story today is reporting thatsF > IBM have a Power 5 system running in their labs.  Power 5 is due forE > release next year.  Given that Power 4 already wipes the floor withe@ > Itanic on performance they haven't got a hope against the next
 > generation.0    maybe this will cheer you up ...  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/02/20/1029185o   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 12:06:51 -08000 From: philj@softwarepartners.com (Phil Jamieson) Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMSa= Message-ID: <bf9485d6.0302201206.48919e47@posting.google.com>n  E > ...barring any miracles, like a balls-out, throttle to the firewalliG > marketing campaign, promises and commitments actually being kept, ...  > that sort of thing.     $ This got some mileage once for us...  ( www.softwarepartners.com/VMS_not_toy.pdf  B If only H-P would run something like that in the Wall St. Journal.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2003 03:07:38 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS + Message-ID: <b31gpq03jc@enews1.newsguy.com>y  ) Baby Peanut <baby_p_nut@yahoo.com> wrote: H > OpenVMS users are kidding themselves if they think it can survive as aD > viable platform.  Their product is being handled by a company that  E Certain Unix users deluding themselves if they think that Unix is thel solution to everything.u   			Zanea   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:21:45 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS-H Message-ID: <JFb5a.24769$UXa.12627@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageu7 news:d7791aa1.0302201147.7703b36c@posting.google.com...h0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageC news:<hhY4a.18802$Zr%.2108@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...p > >mC > > Sorry to tell you that the AS/400 did remarkably well for IBM..3 bothF > > as the successor to System 36 and 38 systems, and as a significant VAXe@ > > sale thief even at sites that did not have a System 36/38 to replace.= > > AS/400 had a pretty big catalog of 3rd party applicationsb available -e1 > > probably bigger than Digital had for VAX/VMS.W >oD > only because it ran in sys3x mode, which unfortunately they forgot? > to tell the customer base killed 50% of the processor ... andr? > you talk about crash city and locked in menu city, os400 is ak% > nightmare os ... typical of IBM ...e     I never said it was good.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:14:28 -0500f# From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>i Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMSr+ Message-ID: <3E555344.D9562E04@adldata.com>s   John Smith wrote:P > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagel9 > news:d7791aa1.0302201147.7703b36c@posting.google.com...f2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE > news:<hhY4a.18802$Zr%.2108@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...r > > >oE > > > Sorry to tell you that the AS/400 did remarkably well for IBM..t > bothH > > > as the successor to System 36 and 38 systems, and as a significant > VAXfB > > > sale thief even at sites that did not have a System 36/38 to
 > replace.? > > > AS/400 had a pretty big catalog of 3rd party applications2
 > available -e3 > > > probably bigger than Digital had for VAX/VMS.e > >hF > > only because it ran in sys3x mode, which unfortunately they forgotA > > to tell the customer base killed 50% of the processor ... and-A > > you talk about crash city and locked in menu city, os400 is a-' > > nightmare os ... typical of IBM ...  >  > I never said it was good.o  % This is getting really Off Topic but:e  H Yes, there was a lot of S/36 software that ran in simulated environment.F But there were also many S/38 applications that ran without a special F environment. After all, the AS/400 was just a rebranded System/38 withD an 'improved' interface. The S38 environment was just a convienient 4 interface for thse who still needed the S/38 syntax.  G What IBM did for the system 34/36/38->as/400, DEC should have done for i the PDP-10->VMS.   sol gongolaa   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 15:28:29 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMSc= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0302201528.2a365043@posting.google.com>r  l baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) wrote in message news:<c5cf6e8.0302191104.430817ea@posting.google.com>...H > OpenVMS users are kidding themselves if they think it can survive as aD > viable platform.  Their product is being handled by a company thatA > views it as an end-stage legacy system and "political" tool foru: > getting in bed with Intel.  Their market is not growing. > E > The Itanic simply isn't keeping up with the other chips out there. 3G > It's totally outclassed in terms of price at the low end and in terms G > of performance at the high end.  A news story today is reporting that F > IBM have a Power 5 system running in their labs.  Power 5 is due forE > release next year.  Given that Power 4 already wipes the floor with @ > Itanic on performance they haven't got a hope against the next
 > generation.e  > this is a qoute from Terry Shannons article on openvms.org ...  : "We also hear that Madison price/performance is excellent.< Having already surpassed Power 4 with McKinley, Intel plans * to upstage a 1.25 GHz Alpha with Madison."   Question: Do you work for IBM?   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 17:07:13 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)s Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMSi= Message-ID: <8a646952.0302201707.2149382e@posting.google.com>d  r "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<hhY4a.18802$Zr%.2108@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...F > "Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message9 > news:8a646952.0302191705.2b2d5883@posting.google.com...b7 > > baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) wrote in messagek; >  news:<c5cf6e8.0302191104.430817ea@posting.google.com>...sG > > > OpenVMS users are kidding themselves if they think it can survive' >  as a0H > > > viable platform.  Their product is being handled by a company thatE > > > views it as an end-stage legacy system and "political" tool fort> > > > getting in bed with Intel.  Their market is not growing. > > >(H > > > The Itanic simply isn't keeping up with the other chips out there.E > > > It's totally outclassed in terms of price at the low end and in, >  termsF > > > of performance at the high end.  A news story today is reporting >  thattF > > > IBM have a Power 5 system running in their labs.  Power 5 is due >  forD > > > release next year.  Given that Power 4 already wipes the floor >  with D > > > Itanic on performance they haven't got a hope against the next > > > generation.  > >s > > Dear Baby, > >fG > > These tales of doom have been spelled before and will continue pasttF > > your and my lifetime. Once upon a time, IBM was supposed to have aG > > "VAX-Killer" and it failed miserably. VMS is still here. In the end'H > > there will be only IBM, Intel, AMD, and Sun be left as chipmakers. ID > > believe with the Alpha team help on the Itanium development, theE > > Itanium will hold its own in time. Good Luck on your next crystalr >  ballt > > projection.a >  > F > Sorry to tell you that the AS/400 did remarkably well for IBM.. bothH > as the successor to System 36 and 38 systems, and as a significant VAXG > sale thief even at sites that did not have a System 36/38 to replace.6G > AS/400 had a pretty big catalog of 3rd party applications available -c/ > probably bigger than Digital had for VAX/VMS.   
 Dear John,  C The IBM VAX killer was not the AS/400. Although the AS/400 did savenA IBM from VAX/VMS inroads it made into the System 1, 36, and 38. I E believe IBM called the VAX-Killer IBM-9740. Did you know at one time,wF the AS/400 had $15 billion (US) in sales. If the AS/400 was a computerD by itself, it would have been the second largest computer company in0 the World behind IBM. DEC would have been third.   Daryl Jonesa   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 19:15:06 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)h Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMSt= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0302201915.1dab4ec5@posting.google.com>    Dear Newsgroup,n  E You know that little voice inside, you know the one that tells you to 5 take the high road and to not take things personally.t  D Well guess what, this note is personal to me.  I am in the VMS groupF because I belive in the product and our customers.  And if this is theA best that Peanut can do to try and intimidate this newsgroup theyoC really need help.  We have been prounced dead by some of the best. wF What is the purpose of your note?  Are you offering a better solution?@  Do you have a better technology with better realiability, maybe clustering or maybe security.s  0 Sue Skonetski and I have been called a VMS bigot@ OpenVMS - An obsolete operating system still used by hundreds ofD obsolete companies serving billions of obsolete customers and making@ huge obsolete profits for their obsolete shareholders.  And this= year's new version, still considered obsolete, supports doingh$ e-business securely on the Internet.        Z "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<3E55045F.3050408@MMaz.com>... > JF Mezei wrote:h >  > >Highly Theoretical Question:u > >oN > >If Intel abandons IA64 development in say 2-3 years, replacing it with a 64% > >bit 8086 competing against Hammer.  > >pJ > >*IF* HP doesn't see much long term potential for VMS, would they botherP > >re-porting VMS, or would they simply stick with whatever IA64 is available at > >that time for X years ? > >sQ > >If, at that time, MIPS were still being developped, would HP switch its Tandem8O > >product line back to MIPS or would it port Tande, to 64 bit 8086 after IntelS > >has added lockstep ?E > >kQ > >If IA64 is declared stillborn in a couple of years, I wonder if it wouldn't be K > >just easier for HP to revive PA-Risc instead of porting HP-UX once more.  > >tH > >I see IA64 a bit like OSI. OSI was to have been the industry standardO > >networking. Digital adopted it and spent big bucks on it, but in the end, itdP > >si TCPIP which became the industry standard. Intel wanted to portray the IA64K > >as the future industry standard. HP is betting its business on it. But IlG > >really don't see that chip becoming anywhere near industry standard.r > >> > >s > >  p > >  > F > These points are the same I was making last summer!  With Compaq/HP J > killing off Alpha for an unproven IA64, they presume that the economies E > of scale will allow them to save money but that only works if IA64 yI > reaches critical mass and there is NO guarantee of that, especially if cG > AMD is successful or AMD's business forces Intel to release a X86-64 n
 > chipset! > 1 > These are questions that HP has not answered...s >  > Barrya   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 19:29:20 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)o Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMSt= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0302201929.77cc4654@posting.google.com>    Dear Newsgroup,m  ( Please excuse me if this is a duplicate.  C You know that voice inside that tells you to take the high road ande9 not take things personally and to be politically correct?i   Well I am ignoring it!  E This is personal, I believe in VMS and I believe in our customers ands> if Peanut thinks that this kind of message can intimidate thisC newsgroup or the VMS customer base they are in need of some serioussB help.  We have been pronounced dead by some of the best and we areC still here.  Do you honestly think we have never heard this before?    I do have some questions like.  5 1.  What is the purpose of posting this type of note?l= 2. Do you have a better technology to recommend, maybe a morer5 reliable, secure technology with superior clustering? A 3. Have you ever used OpenVMS or is this simply trying to throw a  skunk?  E You can help or you can get out of the way, we have customers to take  care of.   Suef@ OpenVMS - An obsolete operating system still used by hundreds ofD obsolete companies serving billions of obsolete customers and making@ huge obsolete profits for their obsolete shareholders.  And this= year's new version, still considered obsolete, supports doingu$ e-business securely on the Internet.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:07:11 -0500l( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMSi, Message-ID: <3E55A5EF.5060309@tsoft-inc.com>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:   >  > JF Mezei wrote:> >  >> Highly Theoretical Question:p >>J >> If Intel abandons IA64 development in say 2-3 years, replacing it with  >> a 64,% >> bit 8086 competing against Hammer.o >>J >> *IF* HP doesn't see much long term potential for VMS, would they botherD >> re-porting VMS, or would they simply stick with whatever IA64 is  >> available at[ >> that time for X years ? >>G >> If, at that time, MIPS were still being developped, would HP switch  
 >> its Tandem-J >> product line back to MIPS or would it port Tande, to 64 bit 8086 after  >> Intel >> has added lockstep ?- >>F >> If IA64 is declared stillborn in a couple of years, I wonder if it  >> wouldn't beK >> just easier for HP to revive PA-Risc instead of porting HP-UX once more.     N Very unlikely!  As one of "the people" mentioned in this group recently, it's M the people who produce the product.  HP has treated it's "people", (the chip yN designers), rather rudely.  They're at Intel, or elsewhere.  Where would they P get new people, and they'd need quality, not recent grads and such, to move the J architechure forward?  Don't look for the rudely treated people.  They've I learned what it's like to work for HP, and what the job security is like.e  N They could troll hugh signing bonuses and guarantees in front of some people, * but even then it wouldn't be a sure thing.    H >> I see IA64 a bit like OSI. OSI was to have been the industry standardH >> networking. Digital adopted it and spent big bucks on it, but in the 
 >> end, itH >> si TCPIP which became the industry standard. Intel wanted to portray  >> the IA64hK >> as the future industry standard. HP is betting its business on it. But IsG >> really don't see that chip becoming anywhere near industry standard.o    D Fail to learn from the mistakes of the past, and you'll repeat them.    F > These points are the same I was making last summer!  With Compaq/HP J > killing off Alpha for an unproven IA64, they presume that the economies E > of scale will allow them to save money but that only works if IA64 sI > reaches critical mass and there is NO guarantee of that, especially if sG > AMD is successful or AMD's business forces Intel to release a X86-64 t
 > chipset! > 1 > These are questions that HP has not answered...,    M They think they have.  They claim that IA-64 will succeed.  No logic to back rO that up, just burned bridges.  If ever there was a more stupid thing to say in  O business, I'd like to know what it was.  (I'm sure there have been such, but I tK cannot think of one at this time.  Then again, at my age, memory is a real e chancy thing.)   Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 23:29:36 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS@3 Message-ID: <EPTKfnKdSuPB@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  _ In article <CrmcnQwpYse2BsijXTWcow@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:l > J > The single significant *new* item of information in the article was thatJ > Madison in its efforts to keep up with the Joneses gulps even more powerM > than McKinley:  160 Watts.  Gives renewed meaning to the old 'smoking brick= > of death' appellation. >   8 	We have differing opinions here, maybe EE Times has it  	right:R  - http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20030210S0027   J Despite the increased size and processing power, Madison meets Gelsinger'sO challenge to raise performance without increasing power consumption: Power draw J for McKinley and Madison, both aimed at servers, is on the order of 130 W.  < 	I would take "on the order of 130 Watts" to mean 130 watts.  7 http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,109291,00.asp=  O Madison will consume the same amount of power as Itanium 2 (130 watts), despite K the faster clock speed and increased cache, through aggressive clock-gatingdN techniques and a redesign of some of the circuitry, Modi said. Clock gating isO a method in which power is cut off to unused portions of a processor when thoseM portions aren't needed.   C 	I think Terry has the power wrong.  There aren't too many quibblesp 	about Madison.i   				Robi   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2003 08:34:04 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: RE: Unix for SET FILE/ERASE_ON_DELETE3 Message-ID: <MRc7PcDTZFbq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEDJGKAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:sC > Since this involves as a first step writing some pattern of bytes-G > to the file on disk, the Unix equivalent might be to to pull the filemH > in with an editor, wipe out its contents, save and then 'rm' the file.L > This requires about 4 lines of code using, e.g. ed and rm and should be no) > less efficient than the VMS counterpartt  I   The DOD approved security erase pattern is much more sofisticated than c@   writing one pattern of bytes to the file.  And on VMS, when it=   says it's done, it's done to the disk, not the file buffer.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:47:37 -0000hD From: "Rupert Pigott" <roo@dark-try-removing-this-boong.demon.co.uk>Y Subject: Re: unix, was Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs.  IBM m-2 Message-ID: <1045781255.613061@saucer.planet.gong>  6 "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message" news:3E554E38.7881042@yahoo.com...   [SNIP]  A > I'll NEVER understand unix poeople.  Put three of 'em and theirnH > computers in a room and you'll wind up with at least five more-or-lessF > incompatible versions.  With the free unices now available you would  : It's kinda natural when you think about it... Not everyone< agrees on the "one-true-way", ie: One Size Does Not Fit All.  8 The fact that UNIX has always had a relatively open code; base has allowed people to go off and do interesting thingse: with it that the original players had no intention of ever doing...  > > think that everyone would work towards more rather than lessH > commonality.  If everyone doesn't want to switch to Linux, or FreeBSD,   They do.  D > or whatever, why not at least try to take the best features of theH > various versions and incorporate them into all the others, so that the= > systems would become more rather than less alike over time.g  ' Err, assuming you meant "more alike"...@   They do.  1 Device drivers and network stacks have frequentlyn1 been shared across the free UNIXen... Even to the / extent that there was a common codebase for ther1 BSD & Linux BusLogic drivers at one point. If youe2 look at a lot of the *BSD trees you'll notice that1 they all borrow the best from each other. The keyn4 differentiator between the BSDs are their respective1 priorities, which naturally gives you a different-2 bunch of reliability/functionality/packaging trade) offs (to pick 3 parameters at random :P).p   Cheers,d Rupert   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:49:39 -0400.0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Upcoming VMS improvements ?/ Message-ID: <3E55AFE2.4144551C@vl.videotron.ca>   : Has Digital/compaq/HP announced any plans to improve VMS ?  S (I am not talking about that port to IA64, that is a no-value-added effort to VMS).-  M I am talking about actual improvements to the OS and the utilities on it. AnyvI plans to work on TPU ? And plans to work on MAIL ? Any plans on the TCPIP@ suite ?   I Is it now official that none of thsoe improvements would make it to VAX ?o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 03:46:18 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>o$ Subject: Re: Volume set across RAID52 Message-ID: <3E544F67.CB6C406D@firstdbasource.com>   "henry g." wrote:  > C > Can anyone tell me what the benefit or disadvantage of creating aF, > Volume set across a 6-disk RAID5 array is? > A > I have a customer with an IBM Netfinity 5500 6-disk RAID5 arrayUE > running NT4 server.  Their data partition is 7.6GB extended with anx1 > additional 8.6GB to create a volume set 16.2GB.s > D > I know the ramifications of a volume set, or disk striping withoutD > parity, but how is this affected when it is spread over a hardware > RAID5 array?    B None really, well, they can get VERRRRYYYY large. see explanation.  = >If a disk were to fail what will happen to the volume set?  3  E Nothing.  I have replace a few disks in our configuration with no ill0 effects.  B > Will it be preserved because of the hardware controlled RAID5 orC > will the Set be destroyed (as it would if it were not part of thee	 > array)?o   Yes, it will be preserved.   > Please explain.s  F I have used 10 6*72GB RAID5 sets as a two bound volume set such that IF have 2 very large volumes with  5*360GB or ~1.8TB worth of raw storageH space on 2 devices.  The databases (some just a few GB, some 300+GB) are5 written to this "staging" area, then spooled to tape.   G Since RAID5 limits the current technology to 1 spindle per channel, a 6eF spindle raid set is what you can get in a EMA16000 cabinet. 6 bays perD HSG80 controller (each bay is a channel) = 6 channels, 14 drives perA channel.-- (well, it will let you do it but does give you a sterneE warning that in the event of a lost channel, your data is toast or ato4 least inaccessible until the channel is repaired.)    F With mutliple bound volumes sets per HSG, it is conceivable to lose anC entire channel and still have access to (in my case) 3.6TB on a twouC "devices".  Some newer technologies may allow multiple spindles per.G channel, but the current technology is limited in that it can only lose 7 one spindle per raid set and still be able to function.e   -- u Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:41:37 -0600m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>. Subject: Re: Watcher doubtsl' Message-ID: <3E544E71.F97AF94B@fsi.net>t   Shiva MahaDeva wrote:t > J > Im using Watcher Idle Killer in my job - We have 8 VAX V5.5-2 machines.B > I can run Watcher in 5 machines, but in other 3 I cant do this.G > I dont know what happens, but Watcher doesnt run in 3 VAX machines.y  # Are you getting any error messages?   E > Is there any site where I can get more informations about Watcher ?    Read the source?  D > (in these 3 machines, when I issue sh sys I get any process in the >  - swapped out - state ).e  F Means it's idle and eligible to be swapped out if the system is memory constrained.   > Thanks in advance...   Hope this helps...   --   David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:25:29 -0500a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)7 Subject: Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?eL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2002032025290001@user-uinj4im.dialup.mindspring.com>  O In article <Lf75a.15238$Rb4.192871@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at wrote:o  G >Does someone already has experiences with the (probably still in beta) - >MOTIF V1.3 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 (only) ?l >"H >I was quite surprised to see the MOTIF V1.3 documentation pop up on theH >VMS doc site yesterday. I didn't even expect a V1.3 to come (to be fairI >I expected a V2.0 sometimes in the next two years ;-), but after readingeJ >the rolling roadmaps (where it states a June 2003 date) it seems, that itC >is the first time, that I see the docs pop up on the official site E >(remember, still no TCPIP V5.3 doc there) before the software is outi >(at least somewhere ;-).a  # I think I've mentioned this before.   J The TCPIP 5.3 docs ARE at the web site.  Not all the docs were updated forI 5.3, so some of them are identical to the 5.1 docs.  And the presentatione8 is obsure and confusing.  But the latest docs are there.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.101 ************************