1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 25 Feb 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 109       Contents:G Re: "Real Computer": was Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft 2 6-month free trial of BEA's WebLogic Server on VMS6 Re: 6-month free trial of BEA's WebLogic Server on VMS6 Re: 6-month free trial of BEA's WebLogic Server on VMS( Re: Alphastation error (but running VMS)( Re: Alphastation error (but running VMS)( Re: Alphastation error (but running VMS)* Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS?* Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS?* Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS?+ Re: Concurrent license - process allocation + Re: Concurrent license - process allocation  DCL Suggestion: AT <time> GOSUB # Re: DCL Suggestion: AT <time> GOSUB  DECthreads problem on VAX 5 Domain of interpretation (was: SYS$ACM documentation) 9 Re: Domain of interpretation (was: SYS$ACM documentation)  Re: Dumping LAT  Re: Dumping LAT  Re: Dumping LAT  Re: Dumping LAT  Re: Googlism for OpenVMS Re: Googlism for OpenVMS Re: Googlism for OpenVMS Help. BIND Problem Re: Help. BIND Problem Re: Help. BIND Problem Re: Help. BIND Problem Re: Help. BIND Problem Hobbyist CD in old drives  Re: Hobbyist CD in old drives < How Can a trailing Blank Page be stopped via VMS print Queue( Re: How do I join the domain with Samba?( Re: How do I join the domain with Samba?( Re: How to shut off Intrusion Detection?( RE: How to shut off Intrusion Detection?( Re: How to shut off Intrusion Detection?G HP World 2003 (was Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp) P Re: HP World 2003 (was Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp) Boot: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and Expo> Re: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and ExpoH Re: HSxx shadowing/striping vis a vis hardware RAID - was RE: Volume setH Re: HSxx shadowing/striping vis a vis hardware RAID - was RE: Volume setP Re: HSxx shadowing/striping vis a vis hardware RAID - was RE: Volume set  across+ Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / RE: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / RE: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!  Re: OT: Re: URL change Re: OT: Re: URL change Re: OT: Re: URL change PMAG-B on DEC 3000/400 Re: PMAG-B on DEC 3000/400 Re: PMAG-B on DEC 3000/400P RE: Police Forensic and Eliminating software.....Download Now       hhhhhhhhhhhh Re: Porting Library on 7.3-1F Re: Problems connecting to PATHWORKS share ofter upgrade from V5 to V6F Re: Problems connecting to PATHWORKS share ofter upgrade from V5 to V6* Re: Questions about simh & OpenVMS install  Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file  Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file  RE: Samba Missing stropts.h file  Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file Re: Shutdown and power off?  Re: Shutdown and power off? + Re: Suspected compromise of my home VMS box + Re: Suspected compromise of my home VMS box + RE: Suspected compromise of my home VMS box + Re: Suspected compromise of my home VMS box * TCPIP Services - not talking on interface?/ Re: TECO (was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?) / Re: TECO (was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?)  RE: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS! Type the beginning of a file only % RE: Type the beginning of a file only % Re: Type the beginning of a file only % Re: Type the beginning of a file only % Re: Type the beginning of a file only * Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2 Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: URL change Re: Re: URL change Re: URL change# VAX/OpenVMS Setup Help for a newbie $ Re: VMSclusters vs. others' clusters/ Webcast - Legal Liability for Security Breaches & What type of memory does PWS 500A use?* Re: What type of memory does PWS 500A use?. Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?. Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 16:08:20 -0800# From: steve@dosius.zzn.com (Dosius) P Subject: Re: "Real Computer": was Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft= Message-ID: <9307085f.0302241608.3fefb2c9@posting.google.com>   y Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote in message news:<slrnb5knbu.b9v.shannon@news.widomaker.com>... G > If you look at things like a DEC or HP tower configuration, they have H > a defined airflow path in the system.  Almost no consumer PC has this.  F That's because home PCs are heebie-cheapie systems not worth the CPU's weight in garbage.   -uso.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 14:44:54 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) ; Subject: 6-month free trial of BEA's WebLogic Server on VMS 3 Message-ID: <wUTAffnlM+sF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ; Found this interesting bit of stealth promotion today and I  thought I'd pass it along.    = When digging through the 7.3-1 box I ran across a small flyer @ that said BEA is offering an HP-only offer for OpenVMS customers@ that will provide a FREE 6-month trial license of BEA's WebLogic; Server for OpenVMS.  If you are interested in _THE_ premium A application server on the best OS (no bias, here, what?) then you @ might want to dig through your 7.3-1 kit and check it out, or go= to http://www.bea.com/hpvmsbundle/ and sign up for more info.   ) (Disclaimer: I don't work for hp or BEA.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:03:08 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>? Subject: Re: 6-month free trial of BEA's WebLogic Server on VMS ) Message-ID: <3E5A888C.4070608@vajhoej.dk>    VAXman- wrote:6 > If this product works as well as the URL, no thanks.   :-)   6 WL has a very good reputation (never tried it myself).  : They have to - I have been told that they sell the product
 for 15K$/CPU.    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:53:55 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG? Subject: Re: 6-month free trial of BEA's WebLogic Server on VMS 0 Message-ID: <00A1BFA5.6DAD97D0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <wUTAffnlM+sF@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes: < >Found this interesting bit of stealth promotion today and I >thought I'd pass it along.    > > >When digging through the 7.3-1 box I ran across a small flyerA >that said BEA is offering an HP-only offer for OpenVMS customers A >that will provide a FREE 6-month trial license of BEA's WebLogic < >Server for OpenVMS.  If you are interested in _THE_ premiumB >application server on the best OS (no bias, here, what?) then youA >might want to dig through your 7.3-1 kit and check it out, or go > >to http://www.bea.com/hpvmsbundle/ and sign up for more info. > * >(Disclaimer: I don't work for hp or BEA.)  4 If this product works as well as the URL, no thanks.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:39:10 GMT * From: dave@davesdotcom.com (Dave Pampreen)1 Subject: Re: Alphastation error (but running VMS) < Message-ID: <3e5a90a1.10422218@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com>  < I've even disconnected everything.  Where do I check parity?  A What's weird, is that this machine has been running for about 1.5 B years in it's present configuration then suddenly stopped working.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:47:33 -0500 ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> 1 Subject: Re: Alphastation error (but running VMS) 0 Message-ID: <l0pe3b.6v7.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>   Island Computers wrote:    > parity should be on F > make sure no device is using scsi id 7 (reserved for the controller) > termination should be on >  > DT >  > --! > Island Computers US Corporation  > 2700 Gregory St. Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404  > Toll Free 1-877 636 4332 > Tel: USA 912 447 6622  > Fax: USA 912 201 0402  > http://www.islandco.com  > dbturner@islandco.com  >  > Ask about our DS10L special!6 > 36 DS10L 600Mhz systems in rack for only $25,000 !!!: > "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message9 > news:FXS5a.13461$jR3.7015805@news1.news.adelphia.net...  >> Dave Pampreen wrote: L >> > A few months ago one of my 2 alphastation 250's stopped functioning.  I > haveB >> > an error code that from the LED's on the back but it does not >> > correspond  > to  >> > anything in the user guide. >> > >> > Anyone have any idea? >> >K >> > The show the following, they switch back and forth (Looking at it from  > the  >> > back, from left to right) >> > First: @ >> > 1111 1100  Console initialized (Final display if using ARC) >> > Second: >> > 1111 1011  ????????& >> > And lastly then go back to first.$ >> > 1111 1001 Memory test 2 failure >> >6 >> > I've also swapped out the memory with no success. >> > >> > Any ideas???  >> >H >> > This machine boots VMS 7.2-1 and has the latest firmware installed. >> >	 >> > Dave + >> > e-mail dave.pampreen@us.add.gknplc.com  >>C >> I do not know, but you can check the OpenVMS FAQ to see if it is E >> mentioned.  I also crossposted this to comp.os.vms as there may be . >> someone there that knows what the LEDs are. >>L >> The OpenVMS FAQ is available from a link at http://www.openvms.compaq.com >> >> -John >> wb8tyw@qsl.network  >> Personal Opinion Only >>  J I'm curious about the reasoning process that gets one from "Memory test 2 D failure" to "Check parity, the SCSI controller's ID and termination"   --             Stu    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:50:47 -0500 ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> 1 Subject: Re: Alphastation error (but running VMS) 0 Message-ID: <o6pe3b.6v7.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>   John E. Malmberg wrote:    > Dave Pampreen wrote:J >> A few months ago one of my 2 alphastation 250's stopped functioning.  IE >> have an error code that from the LED's on the back but it does not , >> correspond to anything in the user guide. >>   >> Anyone have any idea? >>  I >> The show the following, they switch back and forth (Looking at it from   >> the back, from left to right)	 >> First: > >> 1111 1100  Console initialized (Final display if using ARC)
 >> Second: >> 1111 1011  ????????$ >> And lastly then go back to first." >> 1111 1001 Memory test 2 failure >>  4 >> I've also swapped out the memory with no success. >>   >> Any ideas???  >>  F >> This machine boots VMS 7.2-1 and has the latest firmware installed. >>   >> Dave ) >> e-mail dave.pampreen@us.add.gknplc.com  > B > I do not know, but you can check the OpenVMS FAQ to see if it isD > mentioned.  I also crossposted this to comp.os.vms as there may be- > someone there that knows what the LEDs are.  > K > The OpenVMS FAQ is available from a link at http://www.openvms.compaq.com  >  > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only   L Well, if the LEDs say "memory test failure", and you've swapped out all the , memory, all that remains is the motherboard.  H The memory SIMMs are all on a "bus", so to speak.  If the bus driver or L receiver for the memory bus goes bad, then you'll always have memory errors.   --             Stu    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:19:15 +0000 (UTC) 5 From: "John Wallace" <johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk> 3 Subject: Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS? / Message-ID: <b3dr7i$p0f$1@venus.btinternet.com>   3 "Michael Joosten" <joost@c-lab.de> wrote in message  news:3E559EC8.41C6@c-lab.de... > John Wallace wrote:  > >  > L > > One other possible option for you might be one of the small selection of PCI K > > NICs which were based on the DEC 21040/21140 chipset as used on DEC PCI I > > NICs. These might well be compatible with Alpha boxes and and OSes. I  usedL > > to have a PC rag review with a list of these in. Unfortunately they wereL > > division 2 names and I can't remember them or find the article. So DE500 off , > > ebay is still probably your best option. > H > Right. In fact, a small ZYNX 312 (ZX312) with a 10Mb DEC21040-AA works0 > fine in a PC164 board with both Tru64 and VMS. >  <snipped ne2000 stuff> > --, > Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de, > Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany. > Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 606065: > C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS  J Thanks for that. It's actually Znyx, but you probably meant that. A googleH for Znyx 21140 gets lots of hits. The list was longer than I remembered.I Helpful looking ones include http://pigtail.net/LRP/tulip.html (a list of + Linux-supported Tulip/21140 cards) and also I http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/806-1053/6jac7o6b5/a=view (list of 2104x/2114x   cards supported on Solaris x86).  E Ones you might once have found in the shops included D-Link, Linksys, I Netgear, and SMC - so it wasn't just "division 2" names after all. I even I had one myself once - a Netgear FA310 - but it must have accidentally got J recycled at some stage. Now I remember why I bought it, I may reclaim it - if I can find it...   	 good luck  john   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 16:12:10 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS? = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0302241612.6ce1ce5b@posting.google.com>   \ Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C2D1E6.0EADCE30@sulfer.icius.com>...B > Having wrestled with it for a chunk of the day, I've just had toI > conclude that my DE205 network card is either dead or not recognised by I > my Alpha Server 1000A. It's an EISA, and I now hate EISA with a passion H > you can only dream of. The ECU keeps telling me it's installed the ^#$H > thing, then it's missing when the console goes looking for it at boot.2 > I'm walking away before I put a boot through it. > I > Can anyone recommend an over-the-counter PCI network card I have a good F > chance of finding in Fry's tonight that will work under VMS 7.3-1 in= > this box? A D-Link maybe, a Linksys or something like that?  >  > Shane  >   $ DE500-BA's are rock solid and cheap!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:22:14 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")3 Subject: Re: Commodity PCI NIC cards for Alpha VMS? 6 Message-ID: <00A1BFA9.5B171892@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  h In article <d7791aa1.0302241612.6ce1ce5b@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:] >Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C2D1E6.0EADCE30@sulfer.icius.com>... C >> Having wrestled with it for a chunk of the day, I've just had to J >> conclude that my DE205 network card is either dead or not recognised byJ >> my Alpha Server 1000A. It's an EISA, and I now hate EISA with a passionI >> you can only dream of. The ECU keeps telling me it's installed the ^#$ I >> thing, then it's missing when the console goes looking for it at boot. 3 >> I'm walking away before I put a boot through it.  >>  J >> Can anyone recommend an over-the-counter PCI network card I have a goodG >> chance of finding in Fry's tonight that will work under VMS 7.3-1 in > >> this box? A D-Link maybe, a Linksys or something like that? >>   >> Shane >>   > % >DE500-BA's are rock solid and cheap!   9 (Here I am, posting to agree with Bob.  Who'da thunk it?)   K I just bought one on eBAY for $10 (Buy-it-Now price) including shipping; it N arrived the very next day.  (Admittedly, it was in Gilroy, about 70 miles from% my house, but I was still impressed.)   J Of course, I still haven't gotten it to work, but I think I have somethingL screwed up in my TCP/IP configuration; the Ethernet interface that came with the 2100 wasn't working either.   : Not sure how much use that is if you're not in the States.   -- Alan     O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:59:24 -0500 4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>4 Subject: Re: Concurrent license - process allocation0 Message-ID: <36A6a.327$ZJ2.316@news.cpqcorp.net>   To see terminating licenses...  % $ show license/term=1-mar-2003/before    Active licenses on node TABSCO:   > ------- Product ID --------    ---- Rating ----- -- Version --@ Product            Producer    Units Avail Activ Version Release Termination C OPENVMS-ALPHA      DEC             0  0     A      0.0  26-DEC-2003  26-DEC-2003   9 This will show all licenses that expire before said date.      --  
 Sincerely,	 Mark Buda  Hewlett-Packard Company  VMS Engineering  110 Spitbrook Road
 MS: ZK3-4/X57  Nashua, NH 03062 Voice: (603) 884-1969  FAX: (603) 884-3451   + VMS Home Page http://www.openvms.compaq.com > OpenVMS Portal http://www.openvms.compaq.com/portal/index.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:16:19 -0500 4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>4 Subject: Re: Concurrent license - process allocation/ Message-ID: <WlA6a.328$gT2.20@news.cpqcorp.net>   ' > $ show license/term=1-mar-2003/before  > ! > Active licenses on node TABSCO:  > @ > ------- Product ID --------    ---- Rating ----- -- Version --B > Product            Producer    Units Avail Activ Version Release
 > Termination E > OPENVMS-ALPHA      DEC             0  0     A      0.0  26-DEC-2003  26-DEC-2003    should have been...   E > OPENVMS-ALPHA      DEC             0  0     A      0.0  26-DEC-2002  26-DEC-2002   0 That is what hand crafting an example will do...   mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:00:54 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: DCL Suggestion: AT <time> GOSUB/ Message-ID: <3E5A79F0.35C9796B@vl.videotron.ca>   I In DCL, it would be really nice to be able to trigger various tasks in an  AST-like fashion.   
 for instance:    $AT 15:20 GOTO CHECK_LINE ! $AT 16:00 GOTO CLEANUP_TEMP_FILES  $AT 17:00 GOTO CHECK_ROUTER 
 $BIG_WAIT: $ATWAIT    then:    $CHECK_LINE: SUBROUTINE  $check the line  $AT 15:25 GOSUB CHECK_LINE $GOTO BIG_WAIT    M This would enable single procedure janitorial tasks in a very elegant fashion 5 with different tasks performs at different intervals.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 15:23:16 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) , Subject: Re: DCL Suggestion: AT <time> GOSUB3 Message-ID: <l6XXR55eWZEH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3E5A79F0.35C9796B@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:K > In DCL, it would be really nice to be able to trigger various tasks in an  > AST-like fashion.  >  > for instance:  >  > $AT 15:20 GOTO CHECK_LINE # > $AT 16:00 GOTO CLEANUP_TEMP_FILES  > $AT 17:00 GOTO CHECK_ROUTER  > $BIG_WAIT:	 > $ATWAIT  >  > then:  >  > $CHECK_LINE: SUBROUTINE  > $check the line  > $AT 15:25 GOSUB CHECK_LINE > $GOTO BIG_WAIT >  > O > This would enable single procedure janitorial tasks in a very elegant fashion 7 > with different tasks performs at different intervals.   > 	You can get the functional equivalent via CRON or testing for 	time within DCL.      	CRON:  G 20 15 * * * submit/noprint/Log=maintain.log/param=(check_line) maintain O 0 16 * * *  submit/noprint/Log=maintain.log/param=(cleanup_temp_files) maintain I 0 17 * * *  submit/noprint/Log=maintain.log/param=(check_router) maintain  	  	$ ! 	$ !  maintain.com 	$ !
 	$ gosub 'p1'  	$ exit    	$ check_line: 	$ ! check lines	 	$ return   	 	$ ! etc.     4 	I know perhaps you are not looking for workarounds,% 	but in many ways DCL is workarounds.   ? 	Not unrelated.  I can tell an "old timer" has developed a DCL  C 	procedure if most of it is inlined and occasionally sprinkled with  	GOSUBs and nary a     		$ call subroutine_name  C 	The "old timer" had done tons of DCL prior to "$ call" being added C 	in version 5.0, hence stuck with what they knew/familiar with.  Of ? 	course tons of counter-examples, but my read of why a bunch of 9 	DCL I stumbled upon over the years looks like spaghetti.    				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:30:45 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG" Subject: DECthreads problem on VAX0 Message-ID: <00A1BFC3.B7AF2BBE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  F I'm having a problem with a DECthreaded application when it's compiled9 and run on OpenVMS VAX (VMS: V7.2/DECthreads: V3.15-250).   3 This application works flawlessly on OpenVMS Alpha.   F Then the application is run on VAX, it runs for a short while and then I get a stack dump:   N %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual address=0000002C,  PC=0013037E, PSL=03C00000   2   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.  4         Signal arguments              Stack contents  1         Number = 00000005                43454425 1         Name   = 0000000C                65726874 1                  00000004                20736461 1                  0000002C                63677562 1                  0013037E                6B636568 1                  03C00000                65762820 1                                          6F697372 1                                          3356206E 1                                          2D35312E 1                                          29303532            Register dump   B         R0 = 00000000  R1 = 00000000  R2 = 00000000  R3 = 00000004B         R4 = 00000040  R5 = 00000000  R6 = 0015AB78  R7 = 0015B988B         R8 = 002C8B40  R9 = 00000000  R10= 0015AAA8  R11= 00000001B         AP = 002C6514  FP = 002C64D4  SP = 002C6550  PC = 0013037E         PSL= 03C00000   G The contents of the stack translates to: %DECthreads bugcheck (version  / V3.15-250)  DECthreads is writing on the stack.   . The PC (0013037E) is in the PTHREAD$RTL image:  @     7FFBF3D0: 0015EBFF 00129200  PTHREAD$RTL           V3.15-250    D I've added a bit of code that logs the SP at entry and exit to each D thread routine to be sure that the stack is not getting corrupted byC my routines.  Everything checks out and yet the app dumps.  Also, a D PTHREAD_DUMP.LOG file is created but it contains nothing.  I'm open  to suggestions.      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:57:12 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>> Subject: Domain of interpretation (was: SYS$ACM documentation)9 Message-ID: <pWt6a.34987$or1.366004@wagner.videotron.net>    Question to security gurus:   I What is a domain of interpretation ? Is it equivalent to a Windows domain  for example?3 If I want to change password on my OpenVMS box with J ACME$_FC_CHANGE_PASSWORD, can I do it also on the various NT domains which we have?I Some users have the same username and password on OpenVMS, and also on NT G domains (one of which is really a Pathworks  - I mean Advanced Server -  domain).  C Let's say I have a domain named "THISBRANCH". Can I specify it with L ACME$_TARGET_DOI_NAME and change \\THISBRANCH\MYUSER password over there? IfE so then what is the syntax for the domain name (just the name, append  backslashes, etc) ?   < Any precision on how to do this will be greatly appreciated.B Documentation is not very explicit, or else I don't have the right
 documentation K http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/731FINAL/4527/4527pro_004.html#bottom_004    Thanks   -- Syltrem  OpenVMS 7.3-1 - Oracle 8.1.6.0  B http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS site in french language)   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 13:39:03 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) B Subject: Re: Domain of interpretation (was: SYS$ACM documentation)3 Message-ID: <d6FQHu8zvELZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <pWt6a.34987$or1.366004@wagner.videotron.net>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:  K > What is a domain of interpretation ? Is it equivalent to a Windows domain  > for example?  B No.  I would call it an authentication scheme.  But if there is noG definition in the documentation, please send email to the documentation  address.  5 > If I want to change password on my OpenVMS box with L > ACME$_FC_CHANGE_PASSWORD, can I do it also on the various NT domains which
 > we have?K > Some users have the same username and password on OpenVMS, and also on NT I > domains (one of which is really a Pathworks  - I mean Advanced Server - 
 > domain).  E If those are tied together in the Advanced Server database, it should  all "just work".  E > Let's say I have a domain named "THISBRANCH". Can I specify it with N > ACME$_TARGET_DOI_NAME and change \\THISBRANCH\MYUSER password over there? IfG > so then what is the syntax for the domain name (just the name, append  > backslashes, etc) ?   F I believe you should change the password without specifying any domain@ and just let it all work.  This presume someone trying to changeE their own password.  My guess is that trying to change someone else's , password in this fashion might fail utterly.  > > Any precision on how to do this will be greatly appreciated.D > Documentation is not very explicit, or else I don't have the right > documentation M > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/731FINAL/4527/4527pro_004.html#bottom_004   < Again, please send documentation comments to openvmsdocs@...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:34:57 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: Dumping LAT6 Message-ID: <b3ds57$1lg9d2$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  A "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> schreef in bericht F news:rdeininger-2302031620270001@user-uinj4qf.dialup.mindspring.com...K > In article <OAbmMJVIOlW8@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  > (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > F > >In article <b3a8ij$1jg7f1$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" > <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  > > L > >> version it may be dropped. Hardware that supports LAT is quite rare, so > > - > >There seems to be a steady supply on eBay.  > C > Not to mention new gear from Digital Networks, and likely others.   I It just depends what you're needs are. It is possible that in a 24x7 shop B one tends to frown upon second hand or even refurbished equipment.L Of course DNPG is a good source for new equipment. But it is the only sourceB left and again, 24x7 shops tend to frown upon one single supplier.G That said, even DS100's seem to have near infinite lifespans so in many J cases having a stack of 200's/300's or 700's is cheap to come by and mightK last for another year or 10. Sufficient to sit down and come up with a good  alternative.   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:36:20 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: Dumping LAT) Message-ID: <3E5A9054.9070001@vajhoej.dk>    Bob Ceculski wrote: V > Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message news:<3E58E5C6.6030100@vajhoej.dk>... >>Bob Ceculski wrote: C >>>why not go with decnet over IP and have the best of both worlds?  >>3 >>And what does that have to do with the question ?  >>( >>I have never heard about LAT over IP !  6 > if they dump lat, and go IP, decnet over IP at least8 > preserves VMS network functionality fully ... I didn't& > say it was a replacement for lat ...   You are not making any sense.    IP can mostly replace LAT.   DECnet can not replace LAT.   6 And therefore DECnet over IP is utterly uninteresting.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:33:08 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Dumping LATL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2402032033080001@user-uinj5b2.dialup.mindspring.com>  C In article <b3ds57$1lg9d2$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems"  <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote:  D >> Not to mention new gear from Digital Networks, and likely others. > J >It just depends what you're needs are. It is possible that in a 24x7 shopC >one tends to frown upon second hand or even refurbished equipment. M >Of course DNPG is a good source for new equipment. But it is the only source C >left and again, 24x7 shops tend to frown upon one single supplier. H >That said, even DS100's seem to have near infinite lifespans so in manyK >cases having a stack of 200's/300's or 700's is cheap to come by and might L >last for another year or 10. Sufficient to sit down and come up with a good
 >alternative.   = Lantronix still appears to have LAT-capable terminal servers:   >   http://www.lantronix.com/products/ts/ets4p_8p_16p/index.html>   http://www.lantronix.com/products/ts/ets16pr_32pr/index.html   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 18:50:17 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: Dumping LAT= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302241850.21093d26@posting.google.com>   ` "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message news:<b3ds57$1lg9d2$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>...N > Of course DNPG is a good source for new equipment. But it is the only sourceD > left and again, 24x7 shops tend to frown upon one single supplier.  E That's an interesting comment in light of the "Buy Only Cisco" policy 3 in place in network groups at many large sites. :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 16:43:40 -0800( From: baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)! Subject: Re: Googlism for OpenVMS < Message-ID: <c5cf6e8.0302241643.7b87ef14@posting.google.com>  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<BdYfin1AKcHS@eisner.encompasserve.org>...] > In article <3E57EBA2.B3013A1D@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > Baby Peanut wrote: > >>  9 > >> http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=openvms&type=1  > > J > > Gives a blank window in Netscape 4, but reading the page source yields > > the secrets. > F > The secret it gives to me is that www.googlism.com is not interested3 > in communicating to people with secured browsers.  > I > But from the original post, I gather that Baby Peanut is not interested I > in communicating within this newsgroup; merely posting raw URLs without  > comment is quite bad form.  F Well the subject line said "Googlism for OpenVMS" so what more did youF need to be told?  I thought it would take away some of the surprize toE give more details the way that explaining a joke in detail takes away  the funniness.  A Sorry it doesn't work with your obsolete Netscape 4.  Why not use % Mozilla instead?  It runs on OpenVMS.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 20:20:16 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: Googlism for OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <l5Z+523J8MTz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <c5cf6e8.0302241643.7b87ef14@posting.google.com>, baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) writes: j > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<BdYfin1AKcHS@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  J >> But from the original post, I gather that Baby Peanut is not interestedJ >> in communicating within this newsgroup; merely posting raw URLs without >> comment is quite bad form.  > H > Well the subject line said "Googlism for OpenVMS" so what more did youH > need to be told?  I thought it would take away some of the surprize to  I The phrase "Googlism for OpenVMS" meant nothing to me, and that situation D has not been rectified by any cogent explanation of the phrase here.  G > give more details the way that explaining a joke in detail takes away  > the funniness.  ; If the humor is the practical joke of getting a blank page, 4 some of us do not appreciate having our time wasted.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:35:51 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")! Subject: Re: Googlism for OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <00A1BFBC.059C17D1@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  c In article <l5Z+523J8MTz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: h >In article <c5cf6e8.0302241643.7b87ef14@posting.google.com>, baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) writes:k >> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<BdYfin1AKcHS@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  > K >>> But from the original post, I gather that Baby Peanut is not interested K >>> in communicating within this newsgroup; merely posting raw URLs without  >>> comment is quite bad form. >>  I >> Well the subject line said "Googlism for OpenVMS" so what more did you I >> need to be told?  I thought it would take away some of the surprize to  > J >The phrase "Googlism for OpenVMS" meant nothing to me, and that situationE >has not been rectified by any cogent explanation of the phrase here.    Here's one:   L The Googlism site does a Google lookup for the word or phrase passed in the K URL with " is" appended to the end, then gathers up the line which made the ! search engine bring up that page.   # So his Googlisms for OpenVMS meant:   ? Here's what you get when you do a google search for the phrase   "OpenVMS is"  / And you get a list of stuff, which started with    OpenVMS is dead. OpenVMS is alive and kicking.   
 and so on.   > H >> give more details the way that explaining a joke in detail takes away >> the funniness.  > < >If the humor is the practical joke of getting a blank page,5 >some of us do not appreciate having our time wasted.   D I'm sure that was not his intention; I suspect baby_p_nut of being aJ disappointed VMS lover who's trying to be in this community, despite that 6 unfortunate "VMS is dead" outburst of a few days back.   -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:42:37 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>  Subject: Help. BIND Problem + Message-ID: <3E5AA093.BA30D710@pacbell.net>   G My system crashed (not sure why) today. When things came up I noticed I B was not able to use SMTP to send mail (VMS mail & POP seem to workH fine). So I checked the services and noticed that the BIND server wasn't9 even listed. When I try to start the BIND service I get :   ! $ @sys$manager:tcpip$bind_startup ? %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$BIND_SERVER.EXE installed D %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$BIND_SERVER_XFER.EXE installed0 %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting BIND service( -TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found -RMS-E-RNF, record not found. %TCPIP-E-STARTFAIL, failed to start TCPIP$BIND) -TCPIP-E-ENABLERR, error enabling service   * Anyone know what file I might be missing ? Also I can do a  	TCPIP> sho mx/gate /                               Local MX database 4 Destination                  Preference      Gateway8 ALPHASE.COM                     300          192.168.1.2  
 But if I try   	TCPIP> sho mx hp.com  it just hangs.    A I'm running VMS 7.2 with Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha  Version V5.1 - ECO 1     --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:20:09 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>  Subject: Re: Help. BIND Problem + Message-ID: <3E5AC580.C5EA0CB6@pacbell.net>   G Never mind. After a lot of paniky fumbling. I got things working again. E Although I stll don't know what file BIND was looking for. I wound up E going to trusty old SYS$	MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG and redoing everything. E I just wish the whole NAME/ROUTING stuff was easier to understand and  manage.    --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)     Don Sykes wrote: > I > My system crashed (not sure why) today. When things came up I noticed I D > was not able to use SMTP to send mail (VMS mail & POP seem to workJ > fine). So I checked the services and noticed that the BIND server wasn't; > even listed. When I try to start the BIND service I get :  > # > $ @sys$manager:tcpip$bind_startup A > %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$BIND_SERVER.EXE installed F > %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$BIND_SERVER_XFER.EXE installed2 > %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting BIND service* > -TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found > -RMS-E-RNF, record not found0 > %TCPIP-E-STARTFAIL, failed to start TCPIP$BIND+ > -TCPIP-E-ENABLERR, error enabling service  > , > Anyone know what file I might be missing ? > Also I can do a  >         TCPIP> sho mx/gate1 >                               Local MX database 6 > Destination                  Preference      Gateway: > ALPHASE.COM                     300          192.168.1.2 >  > But if I try >         TCPIP> sho mx hp.com > it just hangs. > C > I'm running VMS 7.2 with Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha  > Version V5.1 - ECO 1 >  > -- >  > Have VMS, Will Travel  > Wire paladin, San Francisco  >  > (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:24:15 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Re: Help. BIND Problem 2 Message-ID: <3E5AC57D.54B44132@firstdbasource.com>   Don Sykes wrote: > I > My system crashed (not sure why) today. When things came up I noticed I D > was not able to use SMTP to send mail (VMS mail & POP seem to workJ > fine). So I checked the services and noticed that the BIND server wasn't; > even listed. When I try to start the BIND service I get :  > # > $ @sys$manager:tcpip$bind_startup A > %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$BIND_SERVER.EXE installed F > %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$BIND_SERVER_XFER.EXE installed2 > %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting BIND service* > -TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found > -RMS-E-RNF, record not found0 > %TCPIP-E-STARTFAIL, failed to start TCPIP$BIND+ > -TCPIP-E-ENABLERR, error enabling service  > , > Anyone know what file I might be missing ? > Also I can do a  >         TCPIP> sho mx/gate1 >                               Local MX database 6 > Destination                  Preference      Gateway: > ALPHASE.COM                     300          192.168.1.2 >  > But if I try >         TCPIP> sho mx hp.com > it just hangs. > C > I'm running VMS 7.2 with Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha  > Version V5.1 - ECO 1 >  > -- >  > Have VMS, Will Travel  > Wire paladin, San Francisco  >  > (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)  0 My guess is that your NAME servers are toasted.   G Configure the DNS servers with the IP addresses provided from your ISP.   . what would be more useful would the output of:   TCPIP SHOW CONFIG NAME TCPIP SHOW NAME   - To setup NAME either sys$startup:tcpip$config  Or TCPIP SET CONFIG NAME @ /SERVER=(ip1.dns.svr.isp,ip2.dns.svr.isp...)/domain=<yourdomain> TCPIP SET NAME: /ENABLE/SYSTEM/SERVER=(ip1.dns.svr.isp,ip2.dns.svr.isp...)  E The system hanging would appear to be TCPIP's attempt to locate an MX G record for HP.COM and since it is not in YOUR database, it must look to ' the [missing] DNS servers to locate it. ! ... and it should look like this:    $ tcpip show mx hp.com    .                               BIND MX database     Server:          151.164.8.201  + Gate address     Preference       Gate name   - 192.151.27.5     10               smtp.HP.COM . 15.81.168.21     30               smtpx.HP.COM0 156.153.255.238  50               palsmtp.HP.COM0 156.153.255.213  50               atlsmtp.HP.COM  +                               BIND database    Server:          151.164.8.201  + Host address                      Host name   ( 192.6.118.44                      HP.COM( 192.6.118.97                      HP.COM( 192.151.52.187                    HP.COM( 192.151.52.217                    HP.COM( 192.151.53.86                     HP.COM( 192.6.118.128                     HP.COM( 192.6.234.8                       HP.COM( 192.6.234.9                       HP.COM( 192.6.234.10                      HP.COM $   D What type of router do you have?  I have a Linksys and I can get theH current IP address and DNS servers using a modification of a Dynamic DNSG client (ddclient - for Linux).  If you do not have a STATIC IP address, E using SMTP outbound is getting more and more useless.  Most companies F drop domains that don't properly back-translate from the IP address toG the originating domain name - usually when using DSL/Cable modems and a @ Dynamic DNS provider.  This is the primary mode of operation forH spammers.  So rather than getting spammed to death, they would prefer toF annoy those of us who use SMTP legitimately. If I could figure out how7 to securely use an SMTP forwarder (like my ISP) using a G username/password to connect, I could then use my SMTP for outbound.  I F just have not had the time to get that working yet.  It is on my to-do% list, it is still out of radar range.    Example:  ; $@getip.pl		!gets current IP and DNS from my Linksys Router % Current IP address is: 66.xxx.xxx.xx0 & DNS 1   IP address is: 151.xxx.xxx.xx1& DNS 2   IP address is: 151.xxx.xxx.xx8 DNS 3   IP address is: 0.0.0.0   $ nslookup  66.xxx.xxx.xx0  D Name:    adsl-66-xxx-xxx-xx0.dsl.xxxx.swbell.net  !!since this .nes. firstdbasource.com@ Address:  66.xxx.xxx.xx0                          !!the email is dropped.   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:59:04 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>  Subject: Re: Help. BIND Problem + Message-ID: <3E5ACE9F.95C0065F@pacbell.net>    Michael Austin wrote:  >  > Don Sykes wrote: > > K > > My system crashed (not sure why) today. When things came up I noticed I F > > was not able to use SMTP to send mail (VMS mail & POP seem to workL > > fine). So I checked the services and noticed that the BIND server wasn't= > > even listed. When I try to start the BIND service I get :  > > % > > $ @sys$manager:tcpip$bind_startup C > > %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$BIND_SERVER.EXE installed H > > %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$BIND_SERVER_XFER.EXE installed4 > > %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting BIND service, > > -TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found  > > -RMS-E-RNF, record not found2 > > %TCPIP-E-STARTFAIL, failed to start TCPIP$BIND- > > -TCPIP-E-ENABLERR, error enabling service  > > . > > Anyone know what file I might be missing ? > > Also I can do a  > >         TCPIP> sho mx/gate3 > >                               Local MX database 8 > > Destination                  Preference      Gateway< > > ALPHASE.COM                     300          192.168.1.2 > >  > > But if I try  > >         TCPIP> sho mx hp.com > > it just hangs. > > E > > I'm running VMS 7.2 with Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha  > > Version V5.1 - ECO 1 > >  > > -- > >  > > Have VMS, Will Travel  > > Wire paladin, San Francisco  > >  > > (paladinATalphaseDOTcom) > 1 > My guess is that your NAME servers are toasted.  > I > Configure the DNS servers with the IP addresses provided from your ISP.  > 0 > what would be more useful would the output of: >  > TCPIP SHOW CONFIG NAME > TCPIP SHOW NAME  > / > To setup NAME either sys$startup:tcpip$config  > Or > TCPIP SET CONFIG NAME B > /SERVER=(ip1.dns.svr.isp,ip2.dns.svr.isp...)/domain=<yourdomain> > TCPIP SET NAME< > /ENABLE/SYSTEM/SERVER=(ip1.dns.svr.isp,ip2.dns.svr.isp...)  * You're correct it was the name/bind stuff.   > G > The system hanging would appear to be TCPIP's attempt to locate an MX I > record for HP.COM and since it is not in YOUR database, it must look to ) > the [missing] DNS servers to locate it. # > ... and it should look like this:  >  > $ tcpip show mx hp.com > 0 >                               BIND MX database >   > Server:          151.164.8.201 > - > Gate address     Preference       Gate name  > / > 192.151.27.5     10               smtp.HP.COM 0 > 15.81.168.21     30               smtpx.HP.COM2 > 156.153.255.238  50               palsmtp.HP.COM2 > 156.153.255.213  50               atlsmtp.HP.COM > - >                               BIND database  >   > Server:          151.164.8.201 > - > Host address                      Host name  > * > 192.6.118.44                      HP.COM* > 192.6.118.97                      HP.COM* > 192.151.52.187                    HP.COM* > 192.151.52.217                    HP.COM* > 192.151.53.86                     HP.COM* > 192.6.118.128                     HP.COM* > 192.6.234.8                       HP.COM* > 192.6.234.9                       HP.COM* > 192.6.234.10                      HP.COM > $  > ( Yeah. It looks pretty much the same now.  F > What type of router do you have?  I have a Linksys and I can get theJ > current IP address and DNS servers using a modification of a Dynamic DNSI > client (ddclient - for Linux).  If you do not have a STATIC IP address, G > using SMTP outbound is getting more and more useless.  Most companies H > drop domains that don't properly back-translate from the IP address toI > the originating domain name - usually when using DSL/Cable modems and a B > Dynamic DNS provider.  This is the primary mode of operation forJ > spammers.  So rather than getting spammed to death, they would prefer toH > annoy those of us who use SMTP legitimately. If I could figure out how9 > to securely use an SMTP forwarder (like my ISP) using a I > username/password to connect, I could then use my SMTP for outbound.  I H > just have not had the time to get that working yet.  It is on my to-do' > list, it is still out of radar range.   @ I too have a Linksys router and connect via DSL with a static IPE address. I forward my SMTP, Telnet, etc to my VMS machine and for the H most part it works fine. Except for my SMTP service which often seems toC forget how to forward to VMS mail. I probably have something set up E wrong. It works fine for a few days then stops forwarding to VMS mail D until I clean out some of the *.TCPIP_VMS2 & *.TCPIP_VMS2_TEXT files! from the SMTP DIR and restart it.  > 
 > Example: > I > $@getip.pl              !gets current IP and DNS from my Linksys Router ' > Current IP address is: 66.xxx.xxx.xx0 ( > DNS 1   IP address is: 151.xxx.xxx.xx1( > DNS 2   IP address is: 151.xxx.xxx.xx8  > DNS 3   IP address is: 0.0.0.0 >  > $ nslookup  66.xxx.xxx.xx0 > F > Name:    adsl-66-xxx-xxx-xx0.dsl.xxxx.swbell.net  !!since this .nes. > firstdbasource.comB > Address:  66.xxx.xxx.xx0                          !!the email is
 > dropped. > H So you want to do your own back translation and drop the offending email
 yourself ?     --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:34:07 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Re: Help. BIND Problem 2 Message-ID: <3E5AE3EB.9735FF06@firstdbasource.com>   Don Sykes wrote: >  <snip> > > J > So you want to do your own back translation and drop the offending email > yourself ?  E not the point.  The point is, because I use DYNAMIC IP, my email gets C bounced/dropped because MY IP address does not back-translate to my 4 domain - it translates to a DSL address from my ISP.  H Although, I do drop a number of IP's from RBL's and certain Asia-Pacific3 Class A networks.... reduced my spam significantly.    >  > -- >  > Have VMS, Will Travel  > Wire paladin, San Francisco  >  > (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)     --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:19:47 GMT " From: Steve Young <steve@well.com>" Subject: Hobbyist CD in old drives= Message-ID: <Twz6a.327233$sV3.10207906@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>      Hello everyone,   G   I have determined that part of the problem with my CD-ROM may be the  G fact that it cannot read CD-Rs... it can read any other silver CD I put G in it fine, however it has a 0% success rating on CD-Rs (it was made in K 1992).  The hobbyist CD comes on a silver CD, but I was wondering if anyone B else had had problems getting it to work in pre-CD-R era CD-ROMs?   G   It could be that since the hobbyist CD is made in such small numbers  K (for CD pressings, average volume is tremendous) that it is a lower-quality H pressing that this testy old drive doesn't like.  Can anyone confirm or  deny my theory?   	   Thanks,    Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:10:51 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> & Subject: Re: Hobbyist CD in old drives' Message-ID: <3E5AECCB.88E66AD0@fsi.net>    Steve Young wrote: >  >   Hello everyone,  > H >   I have determined that part of the problem with my CD-ROM may be theI > fact that it cannot read CD-Rs... it can read any other silver CD I put I > in it fine, however it has a 0% success rating on CD-Rs (it was made in M > 1992).  The hobbyist CD comes on a silver CD, but I was wondering if anyone C > else had had problems getting it to work in pre-CD-R era CD-ROMs?  > H >   It could be that since the hobbyist CD is made in such small numbersM > (for CD pressings, average volume is tremendous) that it is a lower-quality I > pressing that this testy old drive doesn't like.  Can anyone confirm or  > deny my theory?   D Well, confirmation implies evidence or proof, where denial does not.  A Be that as it may (and it may very well be), the Hobbyist CDs are . mass-produced, not individually burned, AFAIK.  G FWIW, my CD-R drive choked on the Q4-2002 documentation ODS CDs, and my F Toshiba CD-ROM in my little Alpha loged 38 errors trying to read them.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:16:10 +1300 * From: John Jansen <jjansen@tilgroup.co.nz>E Subject: How Can a trailing Blank Page be stopped via VMS print Queue . Message-ID: <3E5AB5CB.E9783418@tilgroup.co.nz>  J How can an Extra Page Feed be suppress for Dot matix printer via VMS print Queue.  N The  application, we use,  spools its print via a Win 2000 box being used as aJ print server. Crystal reports compiles the file and then sends it of to anK advanced server (pathworks) shared printer queue on the  VMS V7.2-1 system. M Printer Queues are configured  with LAT using a terminal server with a serial  connection to the printer.  O Printers are Oki 521 with serial interface in espon fx emulation. If one prints N to it directly from the print server box via a parallel connection there is noO extra page feed.  When printing via the VMS queues to additional problems occur   / 1) Printing starts 2 lines lower that it should M 2) and extra blank page and a bit is ejected leave in the printer out of line % for the next print and wasting paper.      Example Config= Terminal queue DP2, idle, on BEANS::LTA137:, mounted form ONE @   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=ONE) Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM]L   /PROCESSOR=LATSYM /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /RETAIN /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)    B Terminal: _LTA137:    Device_Type: LA210         Owner: SYMBIONT_7>                                               Username: SYSTEM  B    Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width: 511      Parity: None0    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   99   Terminal Characteristics: E    Interactive        No Echo            No Typeahead       No Escape ?    No Hostsync        TTsync             Lowercase          Tab D    No Wrap            Hardcopy           No Remote          EightbitC    No Broadcast       No Readsync        Form               Fulldup B    No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        HangupE    No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speed G    No Commsync        No Line Editing    Insert editing     No Fallback F    No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No PasthruK    No Syspassword     SIXEL Graphics     No Soft Characters No Printer Port I    Numeric Keypad     No ANSI_CRT        No Regis           No Block_mode G    No Advanced_video  No Edit_mode       No DEC_CRT         No DEC_CRT2 I    No DEC_CRT3        No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Color     VMS Style Input   Device spooled to _DSA0:  L We have tried suggestions found on the VMS wizard site, but have not had any success.  < The most common suggestion has been add  <ESC>]VMS;2<ESC>\6 to the reset command. This has not worked in out case.  K Can anyone help with some suggestions of how this  problem may be overcome?   O So far my web searches have just highlighted that I am not alone with this sort  of problem.    Many thanks    JJ   --@ ________________________________________________________________ John Jansen  E-mail  JJansen@tilgroup.co.nz@ ________________________________________________________________   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:39:36 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> 1 Subject: Re: How do I join the domain with Samba? $ Message-ID: <3e5a82fa$1@news.si.com>  4 >I was not able to test that feature of SAMBA 2.0.6.    Where did you find this version? --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Feb 2003 18:02 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 1 Subject: Re: How do I join the domain with Samba? - Message-ID: <24FEB200318020226@gerg.tamu.edu>   d In article <3e5a82fa$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes...5 }>I was not able to test that feature of SAMBA 2.0.6.  } ! }Where did you find this version?  }-- J }Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com  F Up until a couple of months ago it was the most recent version for VMSF (although some people may have manage to fold in the changes making itF match 2.0.8, there does not appear to have been a consolidated release of that version).   ( http://eisner.decus.org/~malmberg/samba/  B Given the choice, you should go with 2.2.7a instead, available at:  + http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/    --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 12:10:09 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)1 Subject: Re: How to shut off Intrusion Detection? = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0302241210.7c79cee1@posting.google.com>   i "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.02.14.14.20.06.858509@hotmail.com>... < > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:58:58 -0800, Alan E. Feldman wrote: > 0 > > "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com> wrote in
 > >> Help! > >>  L > >> Been trying to find out just HOW do shut off the Intursion Detection inL > >> OpenVMS...this machine is internal only, so I don't see a big reason toL > >> have this functioning.  Any clue as to where to look for this?  Thanks! > >>  
 > >> James > > G > > Just curious: Why is this a problem? Does it normally take you more  > > than 5 attempts to log in? > >  > > Dislcaimer: JMHO > > Alan E. Feldman  > L > Hehe...takes me 1 try usually, takes some of my users up to 10 before theyI > figure out they've forgotten their password....*sigh*...a net admin job # > takes SUCH patience sometimes ;-)  >  > James   C Oops. Sorry. Since you felt you didn't need intrusion detection, it : seemed to me like you were the only user. My fault. Sorry.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:14:56 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>1 Subject: RE: How to shut off Intrusion Detection? 0 Message-ID: <01C2DBFE.6DA018E0@sulfer.icius.com>  4 "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com> wrote in message4 news:<pan.2003.02.14.14.20.06.858509@hotmail.com>...< > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:58:58 -0800, Alan E. Feldman wrote: > 0 > > "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com> wrote in
 > >> Help! > >>  L > >> Been trying to find out just HOW do shut off the Intursion Detection inL > >> OpenVMS...this machine is internal only, so I don't see a big reason toL > >> have this functioning.  Any clue as to where to look for this?  Thanks! > >>  
 > >> James > > G > > Just curious: Why is this a problem? Does it normally take you more  > > than 5 attempts to log in? > >  > > Dislcaimer: JMHO > > Alan E. Feldman  > L > Hehe...takes me 1 try usually, takes some of my users up to 10 before theyI > figure out they've forgotten their password....*sigh*...a net admin job # > takes SUCH patience sometimes ;-)  >  > James   E You may want to print this User Friendly cartoon out, and use it as a : poster in your office. At least until the bosses see it...  > http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030222&mode=classic   Shane    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:56:21 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>1 Subject: Re: How to shut off Intrusion Detection? / Message-ID: <3E5A78DF.4A67E561@vl.videotron.ca>   $ Not sure if anyone answered already:  D Intrusion detection is controlled in SYSGEN with the LGI parameters.  	 MC SYSGEN  SYSGEN> SHOW/LGI  = SYSGEN> HELP SYS_PARA LGI  will give you description of each.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 14:29:24 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) P Subject: HP World 2003 (was Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp)= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302241429.2961db51@posting.google.com>   s Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> wrote in message news:<Xns9320E2356D3CAkenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241>... M > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in news:3E4B0DBD.AFCB3DD7  > @fsi.net: : > > Happen to know if dates have been set for HP-ETS 2003? > J > I have heard rumors that it might be co-located with HP World in August  > (2nd week) in Atlanta...  9 This is indeed the case.  See http://encompassus.org/ and   http://interex.org/ for details.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:22:52 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: HP World 2003 (was Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp) Boot ' Message-ID: <3E5AE18C.47055C5E@fsi.net>    Keith Parris wrote:  > u > Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> wrote in message news:<Xns9320E2356D3CAkenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241>... O > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in news:3E4B0DBD.AFCB3DD7 
 > > @fsi.net: < > > > Happen to know if dates have been set for HP-ETS 2003? > > K > > I have heard rumors that it might be co-located with HP World in August  > > (2nd week) in Atlanta... > ; > This is indeed the case.  See http://encompassus.org/ and " > http://interex.org/ for details.  > Still no mention of VMS - where it is needed (content area for
 submissions).    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:34:58 -0500 ( From: "HP-ETS 2003" <KilleenJ@toast.net>C Subject: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and Expo / Message-ID: <v5lek3r7uupe24@corp.supernews.com>   > http://www.encompassus.org/events/hpworld2003/hpworld2003.html  F Realize The Power of Your HP Computing Investment in a Brand New WorldL The new HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo is not onlyH the largest annual gathering of IT professionals employing HP solutions,K services and technologies, it's now the most comprehensive. Produced by the F Encompass and Interex user groups in partnership with HP, the five-dayF conference delivers training seminars, tutorials and sessions, panels,L networking opportunities and an exposition covering the breadth and depth of the expanded HP portfolio.H HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo will take placeJ August 11-15, 2003, in Atlanta, Georgia. The event will bring together theI consolidated resources, experience and collective knowledge of HP and its K official user communities to deliver the best training, peer networking and @ new product showcase available to HP customers. In light of thisL consolidation, HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo willC replace the traditional Encompass-sponsored HP Enterprise Technical  Symposium (HP-ETS).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:08:30 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> G Subject: Re: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and Expo ' Message-ID: <3E5AEC3E.F006358F@fsi.net>    HP-ETS 2003 wrote: > @ > http://www.encompassus.org/events/hpworld2003/hpworld2003.html > H > Realize The Power of Your HP Computing Investment in a Brand New WorldN > The new HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo is not onlyJ > the largest annual gathering of IT professionals employing HP solutions,M > services and technologies, it's now the most comprehensive. Produced by the H > Encompass and Interex user groups in partnership with HP, the five-dayH > conference delivers training seminars, tutorials and sessions, panels,N > networking opportunities and an exposition covering the breadth and depth of > the expanded HP portfolio.J > HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo will take placeL > August 11-15, 2003, in Atlanta, Georgia. The event will bring together theK > consolidated resources, experience and collective knowledge of HP and its M > official user communities to deliver the best training, peer networking and B > new product showcase available to HP customers. In light of thisN > consolidation, HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo willE > replace the traditional Encompass-sponsored HP Enterprise Technical  > Symposium (HP-ETS).   G In the submissions area, item 3, "Content area" still lacks any mention  of OpenVMS.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:00:44 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Q Subject: Re: HSxx shadowing/striping vis a vis hardware RAID - was RE: Volume set ' Message-ID: <3E5AEA6C.53488E89@fsi.net>    Rob Young wrote: > ] > In article <3E57F0CC.59AA8D46@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > G > > In *MY* mind, there are two major advantages to using RAID-1 in the  > > HSx's instead of HBVS: > > K > > o Eliminates the shadow-set merge problem when a node exits the cluster E > > ungracefully or fails to properly DISMOUNT a shadow-set during an  > > orderly shutdown.  > >  > G >         This isn't a problem if using HSJ kit.  Depending on how risk E >         averse your situation , it may not be a big problem even if  >         merging.  F The problem cited was seen using HSJ50s and HSG80s between circa. 1998E and the present day, inclusive. I have seen no mitigation of this any  time in recent history.   J > > o Eliminates the host I/O load associated with shadow-copy and -merge.G > > For example, on a three-node Alpha 8400 cluster, shadow-copy of 8GB J > > volumes was taking between five and eight hours based on what else wasI > > happening in the cluster. Merges could runs for weeks. Mirror-copy on J > > the HSJs took just short of 52 minutes fairly consistently when you do/ > > them one at a time per dual-redundant pair.  > C >         This is highly storage dependent.  My 8 GByte full copies " >         take around 15 minutes.   2 Which HSxes are you using? What firmware revision?  # > The copy back is taking advantage M >         of DCD , no IO load on the systems (total IO to complete copy?  150 I >         or so) using triple shadowed members.  With VMS 7.3+ and shadow I >         mini-copy, very large volumes take a minute or two to synch up.   H ...except for those situations where niether mini-merge nor mini-copy is' possible, such as the ones in question.   H > > The single disadvantage is that there is no supported way to split aJ > > mirror-set from within a batch (BACKUP) job. There once was with HSZs:B > > HSZPAD$SCSITERM, the program behind the SET HOST/SCSI command. > H >         That isn't the biggest disadvantage.  The biggest disadvantageL >         is availability.  That LUN is on a single controller or controllerI >         pair.  The controller pair takes a hit, you are shot... or more E >         common, the drive fails to failover OR the RAIDset fails to 5 >         rebuild.  This is always good to dredge up:  > V > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=37362F41.D486B822%40winternet.com&output=gplain > H > Absolutely.  You simply can not trust mirrored controllers to maintain: > the data as much as you can host-based volume shadowing.  6 In my experience, I've seen no appreciable difference.  D > I have personally seen a case where a single bad drive caused BOTHI > controllers in a dual-redundant configuration to crash.  The drive hung E > the SCSI bus.  When the first controller detected this, it tried to G > reset the bus.  When it wouldn't reset, it assumed the controller was I > culprit and crashed itself, causing the drive to fail over to the other A > controller, which promptly crashed, until I finally intervened.   > We were an alpha-test site for MTI's attempt at redundant RAIDE controllers. Suffice it to say, success was minimal, and the failures  were spectacular.   D HSxes, by contrast, have been rock-solid for me for as long as I canD remember. I've yet to see a pair screw up for reasons not related to SysAdmin error.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 22:45:35 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) Q Subject: Re: HSxx shadowing/striping vis a vis hardware RAID - was RE: Volume set 3 Message-ID: <6Cekw0G8ZANt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3E5AEA6C.53488E89@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Rob Young wrote:   >>  ^ >> In article <3E57F0CC.59AA8D46@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >>       K >> > o Eliminates the host I/O load associated with shadow-copy and -merge. H >> > For example, on a three-node Alpha 8400 cluster, shadow-copy of 8GBK >> > volumes was taking between five and eight hours based on what else was J >> > happening in the cluster. Merges could runs for weeks. Mirror-copy onK >> > the HSJs took just short of 52 minutes fairly consistently when you do 0 >> > them one at a time per dual-redundant pair. >>  D >>         This is highly storage dependent.  My 8 GByte full copies# >>         take around 15 minutes.   > 4 > Which HSxes are you using? What firmware revision? >     	Who said anything about HS kit?  $ >> The copy back is taking advantageN >>         of DCD , no IO load on the systems (total IO to complete copy?  150J >>         or so) using triple shadowed members.  With VMS 7.3+ and shadowJ >>         mini-copy, very large volumes take a minute or two to synch up. > J > ...except for those situations where niether mini-merge nor mini-copy is) > possible, such as the ones in question.  >   < 	Sure.  Buy a bigger engine.  Or ... serve your storage backD 	via MSCP using HSJ kit.  mini-merge via MSCP.  How would mini-merge 	not be possible?   I >> > The single disadvantage is that there is no supported way to split a K >> > mirror-set from within a batch (BACKUP) job. There once was with HSZs: C >> > HSZPAD$SCSITERM, the program behind the SET HOST/SCSI command.  >>  I >>         That isn't the biggest disadvantage.  The biggest disadvantage M >>         is availability.  That LUN is on a single controller or controller J >>         pair.  The controller pair takes a hit, you are shot... or moreF >>         common, the drive fails to failover OR the RAIDset fails to6 >>         rebuild.  This is always good to dredge up: >>  W >> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=37362F41.D486B822%40winternet.com&output=gplain  >>  I >> Absolutely.  You simply can not trust mirrored controllers to maintain ; >> the data as much as you can host-based volume shadowing.  > 8 > In my experience, I've seen no appreciable difference. >   = 	And yet, if anyone is keeping count 4 or 5 of us here in cov  	over the years C 	have had just the opposite experience.  The problem with depending ; 	on larger RAIDsets is if you take a hit, you may be in for ? 	a very long downtime, not just slowdown.  Ask Ed Wilts.  I saw 7 	a 36+ hour downtime myself to restore a large RAIDset.   E >> I have personally seen a case where a single bad drive caused BOTH J >> controllers in a dual-redundant configuration to crash.  The drive hungF >> the SCSI bus.  When the first controller detected this, it tried toH >> reset the bus.  When it wouldn't reset, it assumed the controller wasJ >> culprit and crashed itself, causing the drive to fail over to the otherB >> controller, which promptly crashed, until I finally intervened. > @ > We were an alpha-test site for MTI's attempt at redundant RAIDG > controllers. Suffice it to say, success was minimal, and the failures  > were spectacular.  > F > HSxes, by contrast, have been rock-solid for me for as long as I canF > remember. I've yet to see a pair screw up for reasons not related to > SysAdmin error.  > = 	HSJ have been good to me.  I feel much better though having  > 	my databases in 2 datacenters.  Currently, the only way to do 	that is host based RAID.    				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 14:53:24 -0800# From: wmarsh@etrade.com (Wil Marsh) Y Subject: Re: HSxx shadowing/striping vis a vis hardware RAID - was RE: Volume set  across = Message-ID: <36f52bd6.0302241453.234ef8de@posting.google.com>   Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3E59EFC6.4BE73A43@127.0.0.1>...  > Daniel Allen wrote:  > > T > >         Your comment caught my eye and led me to ask myself "how does VMS (HSxx)R > >         volume shadowing and striping compare (performance/price/feature) withL > >         current hardware commodity RAID offerings?". I haven't had a VMSP > >         cluster with HS disks in a LONG time so I'm not current with today'sT > >         state of the art. If I understand your comment, you are suggesting usingR > >         HS based striping (RAID 0) and mirroring (RAID 1) to get big redundantQ > >         volumes. What is the advantage of that config to a commodity RAID box S > >         setup for RAID 0/1?. I've been sort of under the impression that modern J > >         HS controllers where basically cluster aware RAID controllers. > 1 > Most of the points have already been made, i.e.  > D > No controllers currently are capable of mirroring at the operatingF > system data presentation layer, therefore eliminating the controllerI > itself as the SPOF. The operating system than can create and control it I > mirror within the constraints of its environment, currently 200 miles I 
 > believe. > D > There is another factor not considered here, because the operatingD > system has control, so does the system manager, and ultimately the > application. > G > Consider again (because its already been discussed) that write I/O in I > flight at time of failure. How does the operating system, and therefore J > the application know it has completed successfully? Does it care? How isH > a mirrorset which has partially complete data on BOTH members recreateJ > itself best it can? (merge), on what criteria is the data selection madeF > for the 'current' presentation, do you have the ability to literallyD > move data from controller to controller, device to device, totally( > transparently to the operating system? >  > Shadows and mirrors. > & > Time for a book of shadows methinks!  C I believe the write in flight issue is mute with HBVS as the I/O is D not complete until the shadow copy is updated, that is the reason we9 have not tried longer distance clusters with shadow sets.   A We use Host Based Raid 0 for speed and Host Based Shadow Sets for B redunancy between NI connected CI Clusters. We are able to get 7k+F random I/O per second on a Host Based Raid 0, spead across 6 CI rails,5 to mirrorred Solid State Drives with HSJ controllers.   D In test with HSG80 controllers, controller based raid 0 with 10k rpm; disk the best we have managed is 4k+ random I/O per second.   B We are using HBVS with the HSG80s to provide the same redunancy we
 have with the 	 CI disks.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 16:08:29 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)4 Subject: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0302241608.176e9019@posting.google.com>   + If you want to read his droolings ... click . why he is saying what he is saying is obvious,+ he's afraid of VMS now that it will soon be ) competing with his garbage os ... so what + better way to try to kill it then trash the * platform it runs on ... this guy responded' once to one of my postings on the linux ( security board and it's obvious he knows) very little about VMS ... except that now , it threatens his little money making empire.' antoher Bill gates wannabe who hypes an * inferior product at wholesale prices until, they suck enough suckers in, then lift their wallets from their pockets ...  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7966   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:12:09 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: RE: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICENAGKAA.tom@kednos.com>   2 I saw no mention of VMS in the article, nor did it appear to be droolings.    >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: Bob Ceculski [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]( >Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:08 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 >Subject: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!  >  > , >If you want to read his droolings ... click/ >why he is saying what he is saying is obvious, , >he's afraid of VMS now that it will soon be* >competing with his garbage os ... so what, >better way to try to kill it then trash the+ >platform it runs on ... this guy responded ( >once to one of my postings on the linux) >security board and it's obvious he knows * >very little about VMS ... except that now- >it threatens his little money making empire. ( >antoher Bill gates wannabe who hypes an+ >inferior product at wholesale prices until - >they suck enough suckers in, then lift their  >wallets from their pockets ...  > ) >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7966  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:40:57 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!. Message-ID: <b3ehj9$sip$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes in article <d7791aa1.0302241608.176e9019@posting.google.com> dated 24 Feb 2003 16:08:29 -0800:* >competing with his garbage os ... so what  - >it threatens his little money making empire.   : Two glaring misconceptions here that need to be corrected.  J 1.  "Linux" is not an OS, it's an x86 kernel for the GNU OS.  Torvalds didH not write the GNU OS, just the module that makes it run on peecees.  TheJ Alpha version does not use the Linux module, even though it's often called "Alpha Linux".  H 2.  Since GNU software is freely distributable, there's no "money makingK empire" for him to lose.  There are professional distributors, but they are H only allowed to charge for the medium, not for a software license.  LastJ Saturday I downloaded images of Redhat 8.0 and burned my own CDs for free, legally.  J You have to take his derision of Itanium with a grain of salt because he'sK working on the Crusoe -- a chip with very different design goals (and based  on x86).  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:41:17 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>8 Subject: RE: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!0 Message-ID: <01C2DC2B.F3416990@sulfer.icius.com>  H Linus makes plenty of money off being the "father" of Linux, or whateverG term you want to apply. Fame pays. I very much doubt when he's asked to 0 give a lecture he does it for free, for example.  C Having said that though, I believe you're basically right. He's not E afraid of VMS, and I don't get the impression he's a spiteful man. He   probably believes what he wrote.   Shane    -----Original Message-----: From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org [mailto:lewis@PROBE.mitre.org]' Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:41 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!    4 bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes in articleC <d7791aa1.0302241608.176e9019@posting.google.com> dated 24 Feb 2003  16:08:29 -0800: * >competing with his garbage os ... so what  - >it threatens his little money making empire.   : Two glaring misconceptions here that need to be corrected.  F 1.  "Linux" is not an OS, it's an x86 kernel for the GNU OS.  Torvalds did H not write the GNU OS, just the module that makes it run on peecees.  TheC Alpha version does not use the Linux module, even though it's often  called "Alpha Linux".  H 2.  Since GNU software is freely distributable, there's no "money makingG empire" for him to lose.  There are professional distributors, but they  are H only allowed to charge for the medium, not for a software license.  LastD Saturday I downloaded images of Redhat 8.0 and burned my own CDs for free,  legally.  E You have to take his derision of Itanium with a grain of salt because  he'sE working on the Crusoe -- a chip with very different design goals (and  based  on x86).  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:05:19 -0500 ! From: "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> 8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!+ Message-ID: <b3em9l$nfs$1@bob.news.rcn.net>    My take on the GPL: J Licensing of software is allowed.  Charging for it is allowed.  Caldera orL SCO does it now.  The restriction is on the source code.  I may be wrong But0 I think you can even charge for the source code.  # You just have to make it available. K You can't tell the receiving customer what to do with it. As such big costs ' only induces furhter free distribution. L The receiving customer must make any changes available under GPL terms if he@ distributes said changes.  Such as charge both ways if he wants.  E As such since most GPL software has freely available source code that 9 compiles under GCC the binaries are typically given away.    Dave  7 Keith A. Lewis <lewis@PROBE.mitre.org> wrote in message ( news:b3ehj9$sip$1@newslocal.mitre.org...6 > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes in articleC <d7791aa1.0302241608.176e9019@posting.google.com> dated 24 Feb 2003  16:08:29 -0800: , > >competing with his garbage os ... so what > / > >it threatens his little money making empire.  > < > Two glaring misconceptions here that need to be corrected. > L > 1.  "Linux" is not an OS, it's an x86 kernel for the GNU OS.  Torvalds didJ > not write the GNU OS, just the module that makes it run on peecees.  TheL > Alpha version does not use the Linux module, even though it's often called > "Alpha Linux". > J > 2.  Since GNU software is freely distributable, there's no "money makingI > empire" for him to lose.  There are professional distributors, but they  are J > only allowed to charge for the medium, not for a software license.  LastL > Saturday I downloaded images of Redhat 8.0 and burned my own CDs for free,
 > legally. > L > You have to take his derision of Itanium with a grain of salt because he'sG > working on the Crusoe -- a chip with very different design goals (and  based 
 > on x86). > - > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org @ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Feb 2003 19:59:43 GMT- From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com>  Subject: Re: OT: Re: URL change > Message-ID: <Xns932C988B0ACA5kenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241>  0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in, news:W2CBkpyBAhza@eisner.encompasserve.org:   C > In article <Xns932C85626939kenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241>, Ken . > Robinson <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> writes: 3 >> "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com> wrote in  ) >> news:v5kn76jkk2dfd@news.supernews.com:  >>   >>> java is easy >>>  >>> ergo...  >>  * >> Some problems with the above statement. >>  F >> Number 1: You're using Javascript not Java (they are two different 
 >> languages)  > F > But the web page (when viewed from a secured browser) indicates that > Java is what is required...  >   E That's is what they wrote on the page. They are using Javascript not  I Java. I looked at the source via a program that gets the source with out   executing the Javascript...   " The line in question is: "<script>? window.location.href="http://www.hpaq.net/"</script>" which is  F javascript.  Since it doesn't get executed, you will see the regualar  HTML.    Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:10:29 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: OT: Re: URL change / Message-ID: <3E5A6E22.1DE07CCA@vl.videotron.ca>    Ken Robinson wrote: G > Number 2: You're method doesn't work if someone has Javascript turned  > off.  N In all fairness, at least the islandco page has some text to indicate the siteM has moved. Folks like Qantas or Loto Qubec leave a totally blank page if you L have javascript disabled with no indication whatsoever that you have reachedJ their site. You have to VIEW SOURCE to find that the page contains complex javascript to redirect.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 13:32:59 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: OT: Re: URL change 3 Message-ID: <W2CBkpyBAhza@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <Xns932C85626939kenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241>, Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> writes: 2 > "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com> wrote in ( > news:v5kn76jkk2dfd@news.supernews.com: >  >> java is easy  >>  
 >> ergo... > ) > Some problems with the above statement.  > E > Number 1: You're using Javascript not Java (they are two different   > languages)  D But the web page (when viewed from a secured browser) indicates that Java is what is required...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:07:05 -0500 ! From: "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com>  Subject: PMAG-B on DEC 3000/400 + Message-ID: <b3ebrb$ijc$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   J Is a PMAG-B supported under VMS, (7.3) on the DEC3000 series, specificallyK the 400.  I am pitching my decstation and am going to try it and my monitor G as a dual screen.  Performance doesn't bother me so much as screen real  estate area.   dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:20:21 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)# Subject: Re: PMAG-B on DEC 3000/400 L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2402032020220001@user-uinj5b2.dialup.mindspring.com>  N In article <b3ebrb$ijc$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> wrote:  K >Is a PMAG-B supported under VMS, (7.3) on the DEC3000 series, specifically L >the 400.  I am pitching my decstation and am going to try it and my monitorH >as a dual screen.  Performance doesn't bother me so much as screen real
 >estate area.   F I don't think it is supported.  In any case, I think VMS only supports2 multiple monitors when they are all the same type.  = The usual low-end graphics adapters for DEC 3000 systems are:   H PMAGB-B         HX or SFB       8bpp color/     1280x1024 @ 66 or 72 Hz,C                                 grayscale,      or 1024x864 @ 72 Hz (                                 2D accel  D PMAGD-AA        HX+             8bpp or 24 bpp, variable resolution,= PMAGD-BA                        accelerated     rotary switch +                                 framebuffer   E There's some (not VMS specific) turbochannel option information here:   1   http://www.de.netbsd.org/Ports/pmax/models.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:26:43 -0500 ! From: "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> # Subject: Re: PMAG-B on DEC 3000/400 + Message-ID: <b3eggl$4rq$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   I It already has a PMAGB-BA so since I had a TC PMAG I''' through it in and  see what happens.    Dave= Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message F news:rdeininger-2402032020220001@user-uinj5b2.dialup.mindspring.com...I > In article <b3ebrb$ijc$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com>  wrote: > @ > >Is a PMAG-B supported under VMS, (7.3) on the DEC3000 series, specificallyF > >the 400.  I am pitching my decstation and am going to try it and my monitor J > >as a dual screen.  Performance doesn't bother me so much as screen real > >estate area.  > H > I don't think it is supported.  In any case, I think VMS only supports4 > multiple monitors when they are all the same type. > ? > The usual low-end graphics adapters for DEC 3000 systems are:  > J > PMAGB-B         HX or SFB       8bpp color/     1280x1024 @ 66 or 72 Hz,E >                                 grayscale,      or 1024x864 @ 72 Hz * >                                 2D accel > F > PMAGD-AA        HX+             8bpp or 24 bpp, variable resolution,? > PMAGD-BA                        accelerated     rotary switch - >                                 framebuffer  > G > There's some (not VMS specific) turbochannel option information here:  > 3 >   http://www.de.netbsd.org/Ports/pmax/models.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:50:17 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>Y Subject: RE: Police Forensic and Eliminating software.....Download Now       hhhhhhhhhhhh 0 Message-ID: <01C2DC03.5190C550@sulfer.icius.com>  B Reported to their ISP, zerolag, and their registrar, bulkregister.   Shane    -----Original Message-----4 From: bhretk@gw1qa7t.com [mailto:bhretk@gw1qa7t.com]' Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 5:43 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com B Subject: Police Forensic and Eliminating software.....Download Now= hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 9125 [289/2]     / You're in Serious Trouble - It's a Proven Fact!       $ FBI FORENSICS CAN FIND DELETED FILES      ! THERE ARE THINGS ON YOUR COMPUTER    THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU DELETED.        !!!!BUT THEY ARE STILL THERE!!!       1 Click here for details on the EVIDENCE ELIMINATOR       * Clear your computer of incriminating files   that you cannot delete.        www.cleanthedisk.com       THIS IS A MUST READ!!!!        www.cleanthedisk.com                                                                                               ew5r4325435435435435   43   543    5    435        435    43   5        435    435435                          @ 4360i0iretret=reyt-=erfgytkretretretretretretretretredfgfdgfdgfd                                   ertretretretretretg    dfgh   gfd    hgfd   h    d    gf   h        gfd    hgfd   h    fdgh   gfd    hgfdh                                                             ewfrgh32gh02439-eftrpewjtrrewgfs   dg   fd   g    fds    g        fds    g    fds        g    fds        g    fds        gfds   g        fd   g    fdasdsadsadsad   fds    g    fd   g    fdsg   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 16:05:55 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: Porting Library on 7.3-1 3 Message-ID: <wNfoH7JzWdV7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <alck5vcdslv21ed6qgf0t25gn8qg46n94l@4ax.com>, P.Lj <plj@NOSPAMbyron.ext.telia.se> writes: >  > Hi,  > H > I'm not getting any LIBGLIB.EXE when building the "jackets" or PortingD > Library on a VMS 7.3-1 system. The linker does not complain and no > libglib.exe is produced. > 	 > hints ?   '    Are you looking for vms_jackets.exe?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:55:50 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz O Subject: Re: Problems connecting to PATHWORKS share ofter upgrade from V5 to V6 % Message-ID: <3e5ab025.622309103@news>   2 On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:58:01 -0000, "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> wrote:   I >While I'm trawling through the PATHWORKS documents, someone might have a  >quick pointer or ten for this;  > G >Upgrade from VMS 7.1 to VMS 7.3 and upgrade from PWRK V5 to PWRK V6 on  >Alpha.  > I >Users had a share which mapped to their 'e' drive, which previous to the ; >upgrade they could connect to, now it asks for a password.  > 4 >Any hints, tips, clues or answers appreciated...=20 > 
 >Steve Spires  >Technical Consultant 
 >Torex Health  >[T] +44 (0) 1295 274200 >[F] +44 (0) 1295 275131 >www.torex.com > $ My guess would be share permissions. From the VMS side, enter ADMIN SHOW SHARE sharename /FULL     Check who owns the Share.   A Are the VMs and NT (is it NT?) usernames the same? if not I think " you'll need to check the mappings.  - Try just creating a share and accessing that.    Rob.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:42:26 -0500 5 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> O Subject: Re: Problems connecting to PATHWORKS share ofter upgrade from V5 to V6 / Message-ID: <v5lig761sjtt0d@corp.supernews.com>   H I agree with Rob's suggestions... In addition, maybe you might have beenI using a common username/password scheme that might no longer be valid.  I E would check the file permissions (ADMIN SHO FILE /PERM) and the share H permissions (as Rob said), and make sure they are both wide open and seeE what happens.  How about trying a username with Administrative privs?   J Do the event logs tell you anything (ADMIN SHO EVENT or, better yet, point3 an NT box's Event Viewer at your PATHWORKS server)?   F Oh yeah - how about the guest account?  A lot of people used the guest@ account in V5, is it possibly disabled in your V6 configuration?  3 Its been so long since I dealt with a V5 upgrade...    Brad. <rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz> wrote in message news:3e5ab025.622309103@news... 4 > On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:58:01 -0000, "Steve Spires"! > <Steve.Spires@torex.com> wrote:  > K > >While I'm trawling through the PATHWORKS documents, someone might have a ! > >quick pointer or ten for this;  > > I > >Upgrade from VMS 7.1 to VMS 7.3 and upgrade from PWRK V5 to PWRK V6 on 	 > >Alpha.  > > K > >Users had a share which mapped to their 'e' drive, which previous to the = > >upgrade they could connect to, now it asks for a password.  > > 6 > >Any hints, tips, clues or answers appreciated...=20 > >  > >Steve Spires  > >Technical Consultant  > >Torex Health  > >[T] +44 (0) 1295 274200 > >[F] +44 (0) 1295 275131 > >www.torex.com > > & > My guess would be share permissions.  > From the VMS side, enter ADMIN > SHOW SHARE sharename /FULL >  > Check who owns the Share.  > C > Are the VMs and NT (is it NT?) usernames the same? if not I think $ > you'll need to check the mappings. > / > Try just creating a share and accessing that.  >  > Rob. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:12:55 -0500 7 From: "Calvin Miracle" <cbmira01@athena.louisville.edu> 3 Subject: Re: Questions about simh & OpenVMS install / Message-ID: <b35mmn$2ggc$1@news.louisville.edu>    Hi Robert...  / I've performed installations of OpenVMS 7.2 and 1 NetBSD/VAX on simh with very little trouble, both  from CD's and ISO images  0 My host platform is a 500 Mhz Pentium II running. Madrake Linux...  My CD drive is an IDE DVD on5 /dev/hdb, but I have no reason to believe an older CD ) drive would not work... I'm sure it will.   6 To install OpenVMS, put your installation media in the/ CD and include the following lines in your simh  configuration file:   
 set rq1 rrd40  attach rq1 /dev/hdb   6 ...or whatever unit your CD drive is on.  Don't forget6 your other configuration tasks, such as setting up the2 boot rom, the NVR scratch file, virtual RAM, and a large virtual disk or two.  2 Now issue the boot command, which will land you in1 the VAX boot monitor, then issue BOOT DUA1 to the 1 boot monitor.  This should boot the OpenVMS media & and let you proceed with installation.  . If you like, you can make an ISO image of your0 OpenVMS media using mkisofs.  Then you can just:  
 set rq1 rrd40 ! attach rq1 /path/to/openvmscd.iso    ...and proceed as above.  , Have fun, and don't let them take you alive.   -- Calvin Miracle     University of Louisville     < "Robert Lawrence" <robl@no-no-badpuppy.com> wrote in message7 news:eebf2e9b.0302200132.38c156e3@posting.google.com... D > I am wondering if simh can read the actual OpenVMS CDs?  I know toC > install OpenVMS on a VAX, you need a 512-byte block friendly SCSI 9 > CD-ROM.  Will a cheap IDE CD-ROM work for the emulator?  > 	 > Thanks.  >  > Robert J. Lawrence   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:21:07 -0700 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>) Subject: Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file 1 Message-ID: <nVw6a.863$KB3.79979@news.uswest.net>   K At a system prompt, enter "Help CC".  You need to have at least version 6.0 
 installed.  
 Mike Ober.  1 "jm" <john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message 7 news:c67e4bdd.0302240615.61207ff2@posting.google.com... = > When building samba 2.2.7 with @build.com I get this error:  > ? > Cannot find file <stropts.h> specified in #include directive. ) > at line number 330 in file INCLUDES.H;2  > H > Any direction is appreciated.  I have tried to find the answer myself.A >  Please forgive me if this is documented.  I could not find it.  >  > Thank you. >  > OpenVMS 7.2-1    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 17:15:04 -0800$ From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm)) Subject: Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file = Message-ID: <c67e4bdd.0302241715.26295629@posting.google.com>   i john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm) wrote in message news:<c67e4bdd.0302240615.61207ff2@posting.google.com>... = > When building samba 2.2.7 with @build.com I get this error:  > ? > Cannot find file <stropts.h> specified in #include directive. ) > at line number 330 in file INCLUDES.H;2  > H > Any direction is appreciated.  I have tried to find the answer myself.A >  Please forgive me if this is documented.  I could not find it.  >  > Thank you. >  > OpenVMS 7.2-1   " Anyone know what this file is for?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:19:17 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>) Subject: RE: Samba Missing stropts.h file 0 Message-ID: <01C2DC28.F1F96090@sulfer.icius.com>  0 A quick google suggests it's to do with streams.  @ http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/stropts.h.html   Shane    -----Original Message-----B From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com [mailto:john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com]' Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:15 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) Subject: Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file     / john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm) wrote in message 9 news:<c67e4bdd.0302240615.61207ff2@posting.google.com>... = > When building samba 2.2.7 with @build.com I get this error:  > ? > Cannot find file <stropts.h> specified in #include directive. ) > at line number 330 in file INCLUDES.H;2  > H > Any direction is appreciated.  I have tried to find the answer myself.A >  Please forgive me if this is documented.  I could not find it.  >  > Thank you. >  > OpenVMS 7.2-1   " Anyone know what this file is for?   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Feb 2003 23:00 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ) Subject: Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file - Message-ID: <24FEB200323000240@gerg.tamu.edu>   f In article <c67e4bdd.0302241715.26295629@posting.google.com>, john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm) writes...j }john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm) wrote in message news:<c67e4bdd.0302240615.61207ff2@posting.google.com>...> }> When building samba 2.2.7 with @build.com I get this error: }>  @ }> Cannot find file <stropts.h> specified in #include directive.* }> at line number 330 in file INCLUDES.H;2 }>  I }> Any direction is appreciated.  I have tried to find the answer myself. B }>  Please forgive me if this is documented.  I could not find it. }>  
 }> Thank you.  }>   }> OpenVMS 7.2-1 } # }Anyone know what this file is for?    You should have it.   6 SYS$COMMON:[DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.DECC$RTLDEF]STROPTS.H;2   #ifndef __STROPTS_LOADED #define __STROPTS_LOADEDM /****************************************************************************  **# **  <stropts.h> - STREAMS interface  **M ***************************************************************************** I **  Header introduced by the X/Open CAE Specification, Issue 4, Version 2  [...]    /*H **  The OpenVMS V7.0 release added a second implementation of the socketE **  functions which is compatible with BSD 4.4.  Define a local to be B **  used throughout the remaining header file which reflects which! **  implementation is being used.  **I **  An application program enables this support by defining _SOCKADDR_LEN ( **  prior to including this header file. */ #ifdef _SOCKADDR_LEN #   if (__CRTL_VER < 70000000)H #      error " BSD 4.4 Socket package not available before OpenVMS V7.0" #      undef _SOCKADDR_LEN	 #   endif  #endif   [etc.]   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:48:04 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>$ Subject: Re: Shutdown and power off?6 Message-ID: <b3dsu3$1kuv9e$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  5 "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> schreef in bericht 9 news:ai56a.226899$HN5.944474@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... A > "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message H > news:rdeininger-2302030831220001@user-uinj49v.dialup.mindspring.com... >  > ...  > H > > "Power off" works if the hardware/firmware support it.  I think your > > system is too old for it.  > H > Age alone is not the issue. The "old" 8xxx series VAXen could do this, IIRC.  >  > J That's exactly what I thought: a VAX 8550 could certainly do that thru its PRO console!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:41:42 -0500 * From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>$ Subject: Re: Shutdown and power off?0 Message-ID: <Rdx6a.312$IK2.309@news.cpqcorp.net>  - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message 0 news:b3aefs$1itv2v$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de...J > The @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN utility in AXP/VMS 7.3 lists, among others, theK > power off option. However, when selected the Alpha does not power off but ; > returns to the >>> prompt. Hardware: Digital Server 5305. - > Is there an SRM attribute that must be set?  >  > Hans >   J There is a special HWRPB halt code used to request power-off.  It is up toE the maintainers of the system firmware to recognize the halt code and B actually power-off the system.  This design prevents the O.S. from8 implementing platform-specific code for each new system.  L  I believe only the XP1000 implemented the required support in the firmware.D I guess other platform designers did not consider this feature worthK implementing in system firmware image, since power can be controlled by the  remote console manager (RCM).      Paul A. Jacobi Hewlett Packard Company ! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14  110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698 $ Email: Paul dot Jacobi at hp dot com   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Feb 03 00:41:48 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 4 Subject: Re: Suspected compromise of my home VMS box) Message-ID: <sWgb+h2aYS00@elias.decus.ch>   n In article <Mds6a.69541$Zr%.52286@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >    <snip>    F > No idea whether this is applicable or not...IIRC about two years agoF > there were serious problems with a particular version of the AlcatelB > ADSL chipset with respect to security. Your router seems to fall > within the problem period. >  > For an example seeH > http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=alcatel+%2Badsl+%2Bsecurity+%2BprobleH > m&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&selm=9b14no%2443u%2 > 41%40yarrow.open.ac.uk&rnum=1  > 8 > google newsgroups for alcatel +adsl +security +problem >  >    Thanks for the advice.     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:34:36 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>4 Subject: Re: Suspected compromise of my home VMS box0 Message-ID: <3E5AAC08.2ED4054C@blueyonder.co.uk>   Paul Sture wrote:  > d > In article <3E5979FB.6E35A3E9@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > > Paul Sture wrote: I > >> Setting UAFALTERANATE and rebooting still doesn't get me in, so I am . > >> thinking I have been hacked by an expert. > >  > > read the faq :-) > > 5 > But I can't get into the system it's on :-) :-) :-)  >   - So, surf to www.openvms.compaq.com its there.   B btw you did check there was still free space on the system disk? IE seem to remember audit server doesn't like not being able to write to J its logfile. MINIMAL boot without audit server should work though, in this case.    F Like others I'd recommend standalone image backup of the disks before * taking any action other than $ show dev d.  I Please do let us know the outcome, at least at the level of "I really was G hacked" or "Silly me", I guess if the former you might not want to post # gory details without consulting HP.   
 best regards,    --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Feb 2003 17:35 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 4 Subject: RE: Suspected compromise of my home VMS box- Message-ID: <24FEB200317353646@gerg.tamu.edu>   > One of the first things you should check is free disk space on@ your system disk. If there is none, your very own security auditE process could be restricting things until there is some (which brings = up the question of how do you free some space up if you can't < log in). It will do this if you have the audit server set to; monitor the free disk space of the disk the audit log is on < (typically the system disk) - when the space falls below theC threshold that is set, very little is allowed to happen, "Normally, ? once the resource monitoring action threshold has been reached, @ the audit server process suspends most system activity and waits? 15 minutes before attempting to resume normal system activity." = So 15 minutes later it checks and, odds are, that the disk is @ still full (since you can't log in to purge or delete anything), so it stays locked down.  A As I recall, a minimum boot will let you get in and check - if it A is full, or within a smallish number of blocks of it (I think the = default is 25 blocks), a purge on selected directories may be ? sufficient, otherwise you may need to delete files, or at least  move them to a different disk.   That's one possibility, anyhow.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:02:22 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: Suspected compromise of my home VMS boxI Message-ID: <ioy6a.56069$b8v1.43692@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:sWgb+h2aYS00@elias.decus.ch...  > In articleC <Mds6a.69541$Zr%.52286@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John  Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > >  >  > <snip> >  > D > > No idea whether this is applicable or not...IIRC about two years ago @ > > there were serious problems with a particular version of the Alcatel D > > ADSL chipset with respect to security. Your router seems to fall > > within the problem period. > >  > > For an example see > > F http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=alcatel+%2Badsl+%2Bsecurity+%2Bproble > > F m&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&selm=9b14no%2443u%2! > > 41%40yarrow.open.ac.uk&rnum=1  > > : > > google newsgroups for alcatel +adsl +security +problem > >  > >  >  > Thanks for the advice.     HTH    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 05:13:13 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")3 Subject: TCPIP Services - not talking on interface? 6 Message-ID: <00A1BFD2.0173DD5C@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   Gang --   O I've got an (EDU-licensed) AlphaServer 2100 4/200 at home, which I bought cheap O from a grad student who'd bought it my mistake at an auction.  It was headless; N I think it was probably a network-based storage server in a former life, sinceM it contained an ATM->FDDI card and two SCSI cards in addition to the one that 5 worked in the pedestal.  Single processor, 128mb ram.   L (1) Whenever I boot it, it always says "VGA BIOS failure; status=1", even ifN I have a card in there.  (It's a supported card, but I don't know if it's good5 -- I'm generally better with software than hardware.)   H I eventually got it talking to me over the serial console.  I installed G OpenVMS 7.2-2 and TCP/IP services 5.1, then upgraded TCP/IP services to H 5.3, which is the same thing I have running on the other VMS box in thatJ room.   I gave it a static IP address in the small range I own, configuredC it essentially the same as the box that works, plugged the built-in H Ethernet adapter (which may never have been used, but was - according toI the console - set on AUI) into my little hub, and got nothing - nada - no  good.   M So I spent ten bucks on a DE500-BA on eBAY, put it in, changed the plug over.   K (1) There are three little lights on the DE500; two of them are out, one of 4 them regularly blinks faintly.  Is this a good sign?  L (2) The hub has activity lights; it recognizes that something's on the otherO end of the cable that's plugged in to the DE500.  (I moved it from slot to slot N and it still recognized something was there.)  So I don't think I have a break in my cable.  C The console settings and the LANCP settings agree that the DE500 is H half-duplex 10 megabit per second twisted pair, and I've tried this with( other configurations and gotten nowhere.  J TCPIP SHOW INTERFACE shows that it sends on the DE500, but doesn't receive anything.  Is it not listening?   E (I have years of experience with Multinet.  Does its hobbyist license < support extend to EDU licenses?  Should I use that instead?)  I What should I do next in diagnosing this problem?  I don't have a network  sniffer.   Thanks,    -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:10:02 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: Re: TECO (was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?)I Message-ID: <_Kw6a.55902$b8v1.41026@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   2 "Roger Ivie" <rivie@ridgenet.net> wrote in message- news:slrnb5eedu.dfg.rivie@Stench.no.domain... E > In article <l3Ka4QqhabyT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen  wrote: > > E > > That is the problem -- the commands are different from normal EDT  use. > > F > > This issue is resolved by upgrading your editor to TECO which uses the 5 > > same commands for line mode and full screen mode.  > & > Great. Now I've got milk in my nose. > D > While we're on the subject, are we going to get a native IA64 TECO with > OpenVMS/I64?    D Is there a TECO manual on-line as PDF anywhere? I need to get a copy
 for somebody.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:38:04 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> 8 Subject: Re: TECO (was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?)* Message-ID: <3E5AC8FC.1040306@bigpond.com>   John Smith wrote:  > F > Is there a TECO manual on-line as PDF anywhere? I need to get a copy > for somebody.  >  >  >   G There is one at the bottom of the software page at the address below...    Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:40:17 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> Subject: RE: The End of OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <01C2DBF9.8A1D4970@sulfer.icius.com>  ) >From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] ; >"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message . >news:VOoge4xptGA5@eisner.encompasserve.org...
 >> In article G ><BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660DB3@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.ne . >t>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >> > JF, >> >D >> > So, while there will be official names, as I understand it, the >reality" >> > is that what we will have is: >> > >> > OpenVMS VAX >> > OpenVMS Alpha >> > OpenVMS I64 >> > OpenVMS xx? >>@ >> And a special version for the most profitable industry on the
 >Internet: >>>  >>   OpenVMS xxx >>( >> >             .. could not resist :-) >> >> Nor could I.  >  > B >just watch...Intel/hp will come after me for divulging details of( >their newest mobile processor offering: >  >OpenVMS LapDance (tm) platform   G I can just see the adverts now, someone slowly removing the panels from  a Marvel...    Shane    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:42:32 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS / Message-ID: <3E5A6797.E576F0EF@vl.videotron.ca>    "Main, Kerry" wrote:I > So, while there will be official names, as I understand it, the reality  > is that what we will have is:  > 
 > OpenVMS VAX  > OpenVMS Alpha 
 > OpenVMS I64 % > OpenVMS xx? .. could not resist :-)   J And there is Linux. No need for 50 gazillion names even thought it runs on different platforms.  N Of all the people in the world, the VMS folks should know the amount of damage9 a name change to add some fluffy meaningless stuff does.    M So they'll have VAX-VMS, openVMS , and openVMS Industry Standard Edition, the T later, being obviously different from the other two since it is a "special edition".  L Ironic that the engineers are going to have a shared code base between alpha> and IA64, yet the operating systems will have different names.  J And of course, think of all the costs of documentation changes to add that/ stupid Industry Standard on top of the "open".     Bring back "VMS".    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:26:46 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS I Message-ID: <Wlu6a.55418$b8v1.26074@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   1 "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message * news:01C2DBF2.93EAC380@sulfer.icius.com...+ > >From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] 8 > >"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message: > >news:d7791aa1.0302211425.4fe2ef72@posting.google.com...3 > >> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message  > E >news:<3lr5a.34525$UXa.20344@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...  > >> >E > >> > A simple premise really. Why isn't it done? Why keep all VMS's B > >> > fabulous features and strengths a secret from companies the > >> >world-over1 > >> > that could really benefit from them today?  > >> > > >> > John - > >> > (a VMS user and fan for over 20 years)  > >>: > >> because someone is paying someone off, that's why ... > > 7 > >Bob, go take a Ritalin. Your ADD is acting up again.  > E > Come on, John. I bet most of us have wondered whether that might be B > happening at some time or other in the last five years. Right or wrong,D > /somebody/ high up must think it's going to make them money, or itB > wouldn't be happening. I forget who I'm misquoting here, but "InE > business, the answer to the question 'why don't they...?' is always  > 'money'."     @ I'll qualify what I'm about to say with - if one can believe the> public accounts (SEC 10k's, 10Q's, etc...and annual reports ofE companies) published over the past 10 years - not withstanding Arthur  Anderson, et al.......  B Of all that's occurred over the past 10+ years with VMS, there areD only three instances that spring to mind that could give me pause to( consider if what you say may hold water.  @ 1) The exact details of the 'agreement' was entered into betweenE Digital and Microsoft during Palmer's reign of terror, when DEC found @ out that Cutler had built more than a passing resemblance to VMS inside NT, and  D 2) Any agreements between Digital and Intel that were not filed withC the FTC arising from the discovery of "Alpha Inside" Intel products  without appropriate licenses.   D 3) The details of any agreements between Compaq and Intel leading up/ to June 25, 2001 with respect to Alpha and VMS.   C Even with all the wool that's been pulled over the public's eyes by E various auditors, any inappropriate 'consideration' amounting to more ? than $5-10 million per instance is likely to have been properly E reported. On the other hand, smaller amounts are just as likely to be D considered rounding error and not subject to quite as much scrutiny.    D However I don't put much credence in that sort of conspiracy theory.@ More money could be made by the executives making those sorts ofC fatally flawed decisions that have punished VMS simply by virtue of F the number of shares of stock and options they owned, and the penchantC for Wall Street to drive the stock price up if the company was seen ? to be 'doing the fashionable thing' irrespective of how it hurt 3 revenues and profits for a particular product line.     ; All the rest I ascribe to sheer hubris and stupidity of the E Digital/Compaq/HP executives involved, who have jointly and severally @ forgotten that the best interests of their customers come first.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:43:42 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS H Message-ID: <iRs6a.69848$Zr%.53666@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  A "Carl Karcher" <karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu> wrote in message 0 news:24FEB03.15185296@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu...= > In a previous article, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  >   > ->....  What are they going toB > ->do? Fire you all now when the port to IA-64 isn't done yet???? WellF > ->the new HP might just do that. Well you can all threaten to resignC > ->en-mass and let HP explain to their customers that the billions  the A > ->customers have invested in OpenVMS is now toast cause all the C > ->expertise just walked out the door, and the port's not done and  we've F > ->burn our boats behind us and customers don't have an EV8 lifeboat., > ->Sayonara HP credibility. Sayonara Carly. > B > Keep in mind the US air traffic controllers tried something like this in C > 1981 - and they all got fired. I'm sure they asked the same "What  are D > they going to do" question too. You can never assume leaders (of a- > company or government) will act rationally.    Agreed.   B My point was that if VMS Engineering resigned en-mass - who'd takeD their place? The only way HP could possibly re-staff VMS EngineeringF would be to re-hire people who were previously fired or resigned - forD much higher salaries - if they came at all. It's either that or HP'sF tells all their big corporate customers still using VMS that HP f*ckedD up royally and that they have no credibility left. They can't expect> to stuff unix weenies in, though they might try to, nor people" unfamiliar with the o/s internals.  C Something like this would set back development at least a year, and B probably effectively kill VMS for good. Which is seemingly what HPF wants anyway. Lack of advertising for it will kill it sooner or later. May as well get it over with.   C If I were Mark Gorham/Rich Marcello and I believed in the future of C VMS, I'd go to the HP BOD today and offer to buy VMS. If sales have D slumped as much in OVMS as HP indicates that they have (and the bulkB of those sales are hardware dollars), then Mark/Rich could buy the@ software assets (VMS) for a relative song. I doubt that Hp couldD expect to get more for VMS than Oracle paid Digital for Rdb when theD market was hot and VMS still had sales. If he wanted to talk to some< investment bankers who could do the deal, I know the people.  B  If HP really believed that IA-64 was going to become THE industry? standard, then they could cut a deal with Mark/Rich to get cash C up-front + a royalty on each copy of VMS sold and not care one iota F whose IA-64 hardware platform it ran on. HP would make more money thatF way. Intel makes money that way because they don't care which o/s runs on their chip.  C But I have to wonder whether they care enough or are entreprenurial B enough. These guys have lived, at a high enough position to make a@ difference, through at least 4 regimes (Palmer, Pfeiffer, Curly,C Carly) and have not managed to make a case to effectively promoting A the product. I know that's a gross simplification and that in big D corporations politics there are often knifes that stick you when youF least expect them. But having Carly wear an "I love VMS" t-shirt isn'tD enough publicity for the product. They forcefully must make the case/ for ACTIVELY and VISIBLY promoting the product.   D Maybe HP should tell SAP that they want to convert all HP's internalD account/processing from SAP (if that's what they use - I don't know)C on HP-UX to SAP on VMS. That would show some commitment and give an C interesting case study/customer success story - "On VMS, SAP simply A works better, more reliably. We should have done this years ago." > Those that use SAP on HP-UX won't switch, but it may steal SAP( customers from AIX/Solaris/Linux to VMS.  F I come back to the recent HP tv ads for the astronaut walking down theF highway - pulled from broadcast since the Columbia failure. They spentE a load of money making the commercial, and much more broadcasting it. @ I'll bet that that ad didn't generate one additional prospective0 customer inquiry about HP products and services.  C I'll bet that the same money spent on HP advertising VMS would have D generated quite a buzz for both HP and VMS in particular and lots of new customer inquiries. F - Existing customers who *don't* use VMS would ask their HP reps, "WhyF are you advertising VMS? Isn't that dead?" and they could be told thatF VMS works better in a number of situations - maybe you should consider it for your next project. B - Existing VMS customers would tell HP "We're glad that you are atB last advertising VMS. It reaffirms our committment to VMS. We wereD going to dump it for AIX because we didn't think you cared enough toC ensure that more people used it. This will give us a larger pool of D programmers who are familiar with VMS to draw on. When are you going) to increase your .edu commitment to VMS?" ' - New customers would ask all about it. E - All as opposed to saying "Which company put an ad on tv for a goofy $ astronaut walking down the highway?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:28:22 -0000 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <b3e6li$1kjggn$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:iRs6a.69848$Zr%.53666@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...   Lots deleted for clarity...  > E > If I were Mark Gorham/Rich Marcello and I believed in the future of 7 > VMS, I'd go to the HP BOD today and offer to buy VMS.   L Yes Please, I'd break a habit of a lifetime and invest as heavily as I could$ raise the funds with which to do so.  K Just think, VMS owned by people with an incentive to increase market share, 5 the opportunity to get rid of that darned 'Open' tag. 2 Push for:- VMS, the limit is your own imagination.     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net  http://www.travell.uk.net/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:47:01 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS / Message-ID: <3E5A76B0.30DC16F2@vl.videotron.ca>    John Smith wrote: H > I come back to the recent HP tv ads for the astronaut walking down theH > highway - pulled from broadcast since the Columbia failure. They spentG > a load of money making the commercial, and much more broadcasting it. B > I'll bet that that ad didn't generate one additional prospective2 > customer inquiry about HP products and services.  I This ad, as well as the criminal dragged to the police car with the mouse 0 cursor were good. (especially the criminal one).  M Those were HP ads. Not wintel ads. I don't mind those.  But there still needs F to be product specific ads that accompany/complement the "HP is a nice
 company" ads.   N So far, it seems to be "business as usual" for HP. You'd think that they wouldJ flaunt the new products they have acquired, including VMS, Tandem etc.  ItM seems that the strategy was truly to eliminate the Compaq/Digital competition 2 instead of growing HP's product/service portfolio.    H > - Existing customers who *don't* use VMS would ask their HP reps, "WhyH > are you advertising VMS? Isn't that dead?" and they could be told thatH > VMS works better in a number of situations - maybe you should consider > it for your next project.   K Or they would be told that VMS was mismanaged in the past and that HP would K now actively regrow VMS because of its unique technologies and capabilities E whoch would give HP and HP customers an edge over their compettition.   D > - Existing VMS customers would tell HP "We're glad that you are at< > last advertising VMS. It reaffirms our committment to VMS.  K And the opposite: HP is handling VMS pretty much the same way as Compaq and  Palmer: ignoring it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:12:04 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS I Message-ID: <UMw6a.55903$b8v1.10031@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3E5A6797.E576F0EF@vl.videotron.ca...  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:C > > So, while there will be official names, as I understand it, the  reality ! > > is that what we will have is:  > >  > > OpenVMS VAX  > > OpenVMS Alpha  > > OpenVMS I64 ' > > OpenVMS xx? .. could not resist :-)  > D > And there is Linux. No need for 50 gazillion names even thought it runs on  > different platforms. > F > Of all the people in the world, the VMS folks should know the amount	 of damage : > a name change to add some fluffy meaningless stuff does. > B > So they'll have VAX-VMS, openVMS , and openVMS Industry Standard Edition, theC > later, being obviously different from the other two since it is a  "special edition". > @ > Ironic that the engineers are going to have a shared code base
 between alpha @ > and IA64, yet the operating systems will have different names. > C > And of course, think of all the costs of documentation changes to  add that0 > stupid Industry Standard on top of the "open". >  > Bring back "VMS".     D The cost of the name change alone would support a pretty hefty TV ad campaign for VMS.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:14:36 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS H Message-ID: <gPw6a.55905$b8v1.4470@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  1 "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message * news:01C2DBF9.8A1D4970@sulfer.icius.com...+ > >From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] = > >"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message 0 > >news:VOoge4xptGA5@eisner.encompasserve.org... > >> In article  > F ><BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660DB3@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.n e 0 > >t>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:
 > >> > JF, > >> >F > >> > So, while there will be official names, as I understand it, the
 > >reality$ > >> > is that what we will have is: > >> > > >> > OpenVMS VAX > >> > OpenVMS Alpha > >> > OpenVMS I64 > >> > OpenVMS xx? > >>B > >> And a special version for the most profitable industry on the > >Internet: > >>>  > >>   OpenVMS xxx > >>* > >> >             .. could not resist :-) > >> > >> Nor could I.  > >  > > D > >just watch...Intel/hp will come after me for divulging details of* > >their newest mobile processor offering: > > ! > >OpenVMS LapDance (tm) platform  > D > I can just see the adverts now, someone slowly removing the panels from
 > a Marvel...     9 OpenVMS LapDance (tm) certainly would be a 'hot' product.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 16:52:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <JhMZdmNyNcMf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <b3e6li$1kjggn$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>, "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> writes:  > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:iRs6a.69848$Zr%.53666@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >  > Lots deleted for clarity...  >>F >> If I were Mark Gorham/Rich Marcello and I believed in the future of8 >> VMS, I'd go to the HP BOD today and offer to buy VMS. > N > Yes Please, I'd break a habit of a lifetime and invest as heavily as I could& > raise the funds with which to do so.  A You folks do not have to be Mark Gorham/Rich Marcello.  I am sure @ the HP BOD would view your money as favorably as theirs, which I> believe is not-at-all.  I have confidence they believe in VMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:26:38 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS I Message-ID: <2Ly6a.56103$b8v1.54406@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:JhMZdmNyNcMf@eisner.encompasserve.org... > > In article <b3e6li$1kjggn$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>, "John& Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> writes: > > 2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF > > news:iRs6a.69848$Zr%.53666@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >  > > Lots deleted for clarity...  > >>E > >> If I were Mark Gorham/Rich Marcello and I believed in the future  of: > >> VMS, I'd go to the HP BOD today and offer to buy VMS. > > E > > Yes Please, I'd break a habit of a lifetime and invest as heavily 
 as I could( > > raise the funds with which to do so. > C > You folks do not have to be Mark Gorham/Rich Marcello.  I am sure B > the HP BOD would view your money as favorably as theirs, which I@ > believe is not-at-all.  I have confidence they believe in VMS.    E If there was real money on the table, they'd at least have to discuss  it if it was a formal offer.  C Short of a large corporation like IBM, or a very wealthy individual E like Mark Cuban (can you just *imagine* him at a VMS sales meeting or F customer presentation??!!??!!!)  et. al. coming along and saying, "HP,F we'll take VMS off your hands.", insiders have the best opportunity toE make a credible offer that would be viewed with interest. [ For those B who don't know who Mark Cuban is, he's the owner of the Dallas NBA basketball team - E http://abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/2020_000504_billionaire_feature.html D and http://abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/2020_000504_markcuban_chat.htmlF and http://espn.go.com/page2/s/questions/cuban/010510.html  might only' begin to give you a sense of this guy ]   F If Gorham/Marcello made an offer, maybe HP's BOD tells them to go backE to their cubicles, or fires them, or listens to what they have to say E and then either takes the offer seriously or takes the seriousness of A the offers intent seriously enough to start promoting the product : themselves. Or they do exactly what they've been doing all along....nothing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:28:41 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS ' Message-ID: <3E5AE2E9.77502025@fsi.net>	   Rob Young wrote: > V > In article <3E5A0CA2.91DCAF60@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >> > >> John Smith wrote:
 > >> > [snip]l > >E > >> > Is it obvious now?  > >>I > >> No, because you can express such without revealing enough details tou > >> breach confidences. > >nL > > David, what is obvious is that you've never known you have, or have been > > with, the spooks.l > >M > I >         To add just a tad.  You don't have to be a spook to be somewhat M >         familiar with the "do"s and "don't"s.  Read some spy books, whethereG >         Bamford's latest on the NSA or something about Hanson we readiE >         that you aren't even allowed to talk about anything relatediL >         to certain programs.  Likewise, a friend works for a noted companyG >         that does a lot of military work, he takes periodic lifestyle F >         polygraphs.  He can't even talk about what he might or mightM >         not be doing (never mind his work "details".)  So all we know is hePO >         works for that company but he can't talk about anything that involves Q >         his work and we have long since given up even asking, as he just grins.p   Rob and Nic,   You *STILL* don't get it.   B Go back and re-read me again. Then, if you *STILL* have questions,2 e-mail me privately and we can take this off-line.   -- o David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:32:42 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>P Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMSo' Message-ID: <3E5AE3DA.379AC3B9@fsi.net>g   Carl Karcher wrote:d > = > In a previous article, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:i >   > ->....  What are they going toH > ->do? Fire you all now when the port to IA-64 isn't done yet????  WellF > ->the new HP might just do that. Well you can all threaten to resignG > ->en-mass and let HP explain to their customers that the billions thefA > ->customers have invested in OpenVMS is now toast cause all the I > ->expertise just walked out the door, and the port's not done and we've F > ->burn our boats behind us and customers don't have an EV8 lifeboat., > ->Sayonara HP credibility. Sayonara Carly. > J > Keep in mind the US air traffic controllers tried something like this inG > 1981 - and they all got fired. I'm sure they asked the same "What areoD > they going to do" question too. You can never assume leaders (of a- > company or government) will act rationally.u  B Well, that's rather a bad example. In that case, the leaders actedG rationally, yet criminally (endangering the flying public by firing then? PATCO workers was nothing short of criminal - make no mistake).p  H PATCO's issue was their right to strike for higher wages. Their contract@ said no right to strike, that's the leverage the "leaders" used.  D I doubt hp employees have anything in whatever employment agreements9 they may have that hp could use as "leverage", outside ofm insubordination.   -- ( David J. DachteraM dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:33:25 GMTh+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> * Subject: Type the beginning of a file only2 Message-ID: <BA8007E3.4EFE%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  F This should be a simple question, but I dont know how to do it. And I thought I was a VMS expert ...   $TYPE/TAIL=n filename   - Displays the last "n" lines in a file. Great!n  $ How do you type the first "n" lines?  K I'm not doing this interactively, so dont tell me /PAGE because it must beaB done in a PIPE command to pass only the first n lines of the file.   Thank you all in advance!t   Jeff Cameron   Be sure to order your owno# "OpenVMS DCL. The original Dot COM"g. Bumper Sticker at http://www.jcameron.com/vms/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:50:38 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>. Subject: RE: Type the beginning of a file only0 Message-ID: <01C2DC2D.4C9E3170@sulfer.icius.com>  F I don't think type has exactly what you asked for, but there are otherE ways. Simplest approach is to use TYPE/PAGE, and hit control-zed whenr# you've seen what you wanted to see.s   Shanes   -----Original Message-----2 From: Jeff Cameron [mailto:JCam90502@jcameron.com]' Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:33 PMS To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com]* Subject: Type the beginning of a file only    H This should be a simple question, but I don=B9t know how to do it. And I thought I was a VMS expert ...   $TYPE/TAIL=3Dn filename0  - Displays the last "n" lines in a file. Great!j  $ How do you type the first "n" lines?  G I'm not doing this interactively, so don=B9t tell me /PAGE because it =b must beB done in a PIPE command to pass only the first n lines of the file.   Thank you all in advance!n   Jeff Cameron   Be sure to order your own # "OpenVMS DCL. The original Dot COM"P. Bumper Sticker at http://www.jcameron.com/vms/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:10:48 +0000e7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> . Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only* Message-ID: <3E5AD0A8.7020702@bigpond.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote:oH > This should be a simple question, but I dont know how to do it. And I  > thought I was a VMS expert ... >  > $TYPE/TAIL=n filenamee > / > Displays the last "n" lines in a file. Great!t > & > How do you type the first "n" lines? > M > I'm not doing this interactively, so dont tell me /PAGE because it must be D > done in a PIPE command to pass only the first n lines of the file. >  > Thank you all in advance!E >  > Jeff Cameron >  > Be sure to order your ownt% > "OpenVMS DCL. The original Dot COM"r0 > Bumper Sticker at http://www.jcameron.com/vms/ >  >   I There is a TECO macro called TYPE.TEC that does this (among other things)o   $ mung type /L:10 filename.type    Other options are:  ) !  /W   Announce file name(s)           !-) !  /-W  Don't announce file name(s)     !3) !  /H   Use VT52 hold screen mode       !_) !        (/H => /H:n if not VT52)       !6) !        => /W unless /-W               !o) !  /H:n Count lines and hold            !e) !        => /W unless /-W               ! ) !  /T   Truncate long lines             ! ) !  /S:"string" Pre-search for "string"  !i) !  /N:n Start at page n or find nth     !n) !        occurance of "string"          !C) !  /P   Start at top of page instead    !-) !        of just before "string"        ! ) !  /V   Change controls to visibles     !:) !  /O:n Overprint each line n times     !e) !  /A:n Print n lines around string     !0) !  /F:x Flag L(ower) or U(pper) case    !+) !  /I   Inspect for wildcard selection  !s) !  /L:n List the first n lines only     !i  ' Available from the software link below.y   Regards, Dave.d --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.comfI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/tI DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmoI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennont   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 05:23:20 GMTu+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>p. Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only2 Message-ID: <BA803DC6.4F2F%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  I On 2/24/03 5:50 PM, in article 01C2DC2D.4C9E3170@sulfer.icius.com, "Shanen  Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:  H > I don't think type has exactly what you asked for, but there are otherG > ways. Simplest approach is to use TYPE/PAGE, and hit control-zed wheno% > you've seen what you wanted to see.e >  > Shanec   Shane,  $ Thank you, but remember this caveat?  A "I'm not doing this interactively, so dont tell me /PAGE becauseg: it must be done in a PIPE command to pass only the first n lines of the file."h  H When being run (non-interactively) there is nobody to press control-zed.   Jeff   > Be sure to order your own % > "OpenVMS DCL. The original Dot COM"-0 > Bumper Sticker at http://www.jcameron.com/vms/ >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 05:26:02 GMTo+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>3. Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only2 Message-ID: <BA803E68.4F31%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  E On 2/24/03 6:10 PM, in article 3E5AD0A8.7020702@bigpond.com, "David Bh1 Sneddon - bigpond" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote:U > K > There is a TECO macro called TYPE.TEC that does this (among other things)- > ! > $ mung type /L:10 filename.type  >  Dave,9  C Thank you, but I'm looking for a 100% native VMS solution. But I am  appreciative of your offer.!   Jeff >  > Be sure to order your ownn% > "OpenVMS DCL. The original Dot COM"b0 > Bumper Sticker at http://www.jcameron.com/vms/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:57:28 GMT>+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>23 Subject: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2o2 Message-ID: <BA800D86.4F08%JCam90502@jcameron.com>   Part 1  F This should be a simple question, but I dont know how to do it. And I thought I was a VMS expert ...   $TYPE/TAIL=n filenamec  - Displays the last "n" lines in a file. Great!c  $ How do you type the first "n" lines?  K I'm not doing this interactively, so dont tell me /PAGE because it must be>B done in a PIPE command to pass only the first n lines of the file.   Part 2  L That turns out to be only half the problem. I need to get that result into aH dcl symbol. For example. Even though this does not work, you can get the  just of what I am trying to do :  E $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$INPUT FIRSTLINE>   Or  D $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINE  C I would like to do this without opening and writing a file to disk.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:13:24 -0600r1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>-7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2>' Message-ID: <3E5AED64.C87BB0F4@fsi.net>s   Jeff Cameron wrote:e > [snip]F > $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINE > E > I would like to do this without opening and writing a file to disk.   C Doesn't TYPE have to open the file and read it? What does it matterj/ whether a command program does it or you do it?e   -- D David J. Dachterad dba DJE Systems> http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/2   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 20:42:06 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)y7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2 - Message-ID: <T2A3pdmFtkCI@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>c   > Jeff Cameron wrote:tG >> $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINEl >> tF >> I would like to do this without opening and writing a file to disk. >   #   I think we need more information:1  H  1.) Whats wrong with just opening the file in DCL and reading the first% ( or nth) line from it into a symbol?   J  2.) If you really want volatile data ( such as the output of a $SHO SYS )G   what do you want to do with DCL symbol? If you create a symbol insidetG   a pipe procedure ( as in your example ) it's going to be local to the G   subprocess and thus likely not much use to you. What about putting itt   in a job logical, eg:       $PIPE SHO SYS | @Xs     where x.com contains:t      $read sys$pipe x.    $assign/job "''x'" mylogicaln    $exit  M    (this will put the first line of the SHO SYS command into a logical called #     "mylogical" in the job table ).t  K    or, if you want to be a bit fancier, use a procedure like the following:k   $if "''p1'" .lt. 1 then p1 = 1
 $count = 0	 $getline:s $read/end=nodata sys$pipe x  $count = count + 1# $if count .lt. p1 then goto getline- $-" $assign/job/nolog "''x'" mylogical $exit1 $nodata:, $assign/job/nolog "*no such line*" mylogical $exitd      and call it with:      $PIPE SHO SYS | @X np  '    where n is the line number you want.t  I   (disclaimer: this stuff is off the top of my head, not guaranteed to be3 fully debugged ).d  L    If neither of these solutions is appropriate, please provide more details    about the requirements.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 05:39:21 GMTa+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>l7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2 2 Message-ID: <BA804188.4F33%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  H On 2/24/03 7:42 PM, in article T2A3pdmFtkCI@malvm7.mala.bc.ca., "Malcolm+ Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote:t    > # > I think we need more information:I > I > 1.) Whats wrong with just opening the file in DCL and reading the first6' > ( or nth) line from it into a symbol?i  H I realize this can be done, but I wanted to avoid opening a file for the! sake of clean code and execution.r   > K > 2.) If you really want volatile data ( such as the output of a $SHO SYS )n  K The SHOW SYS is just to illustrate the problem, the actual application is aoK bit more involved. I just used SHOW SYS for an example. The overall need isnJ to get the Nth line of sys$output into a DCL symbol without opening a file For temporary access.   G > what do you want to do with DCL symbol? If you create a symbol inside6G > a pipe procedure ( as in your example ) it's going to be local to thexG > subprocess and thus likely not much use to you. What about putting its > in a job logical, eg:s >  >  $PIPE SHO SYS | @X2 >  > where x.com contains:a >  >  $read sys$pipe xg >  $assign/job "''x'" mylogicald >  $exit  I  This is a variation of exactly how I am doing it now, and my hope was to-E eliminate the need for a second command procedure and a logical name.- > M >  (this will put the first line of the SHO SYS command into a logical called # >   "mylogical" in the job table ).f > K >  or, if you want to be a bit fancier, use a procedure like the following:  >   > $if "''p1'" .lt. 1 then p1 = 1 > $count = 0 > $getline:A > $read/end=nodata sys$pipe xa > $count = count + 1% > $if count .lt. p1 then goto getlineo > $o$ > $assign/job/nolog "''x'" mylogical > $exitd
 > $nodata:. > $assign/job/nolog "*no such line*" mylogical > $exitn >  >  and call it with: >  >  $PIPE SHO SYS | @X nT > ' >  where n is the line number you want.$ > I > (disclaimer: this stuff is off the top of my head, not guaranteed to be' > fully debugged ).  > L >  If neither of these solutions is appropriate, please provide more details >  about the requirements. >   J I realize I'm putting on a lot of unnecessary requirements, but my goal is to humble a unix protagonist.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 05:44:40 GMT!+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>u7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2N2 Message-ID: <BA8042C7.4F35%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  C On 2/24/03 8:13 PM, in article 3E5AED64.C87BB0F4@fsi.net, "David J.A( Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   > Jeff Cameron wrote:1	 >> [snip]pG >> $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINEi >> sF >> I would like to do this without opening and writing a file to disk. > E > Doesn't TYPE have to open the file and read it? What does it matter 1 > whether a command program does it or you do it?d  K I know it is not a technically arguable point, but, this looks much cleanereJ than several line to open a file, count lines and grab the one needed then close the file.#  I Plus the execution speed, esp if the operation has to be done repeatedly.   L But you do bring a valid point. I'm just trying to be as creative and simple# as possible. Thanks for your input.    Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:17:30 -06007* From: "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@core.com>( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?/ Message-ID: <v5kru8khbin516@corp.supernews.com>p   re: new file systemn  L At our last LUG meeting here in Chicago, we heard that a new VMS file systemE is being worked on.  There were lessons learned the last time around.A   -- Dave...a  H Such is the human race.  Often it does seem such a pity that Noah didn't miss the boat. -----Mark Twain   5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagey, news:uK6cnVngUdjvv8WjXTWcpg@metrocast.net... >tA > "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messagesH > news:rdeininger-2202030718590001@user-uinj4lr.dialup.mindspring.com...B > > In article <G8ednVIlc4atTsujXTWcpQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd"# > > <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:O > >UL > > >> I doubt enhancements to TPU will get higher priority than, say, a new > file > > >> system. > > >CH > > >And since plans for a new file system seem to have pretty much beenH > > >languishing for over three years now, with no obvious progress (not even > a-D > > >mention on the roadmap through early 2005), well, draw your own > conclusions. > >o( > > What makes you think the file system > K > I assume you mean the new file system, since otherwise your post would bee
 > irrelevant.c >e& >  has been languishing?  Just because > > nothing has shipped? >n? > Just to tick off a few of the reasons off the top of my head:- >eJ > 1.  When I visited ZK to discuss it, it had no useful budget, no definedG > commitment, and only a single developer associated with it (I suspectD
 > part-time).C >0F > 2.  That developer didn't think that significant enhancements to theI > existing Scotland code would be funded:  it was clearly on a very short 
 > shoestring.  > G > 3.  Indeed, in the three years since, it hasn't shipped (or even been  > rumored to be on the way). >vI > 4.  And, as noted, it doesn't appear anywhere in the future VMS roadmapt > (through early 2005).- >-K > Now, I suppose some people might be entirely satisfied with that state ofa' > affairs; me, I call it 'languishing'.n >r > - bill >  >c >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:22:44 GMTl' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>i( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?+ Message-ID: <3E5A71B8.B80CB668@pacbell.net>    Bob Willard wrote: >  > Don Sykes wrote:I > > I often hear the "EDT is better" stuff, but I can't think of a single H > > thing that EDT can do that I can't do with my customized TPU editor. > E > And I can't think of a single thing that EDT can do that I can't doCB > with a few hundred lines of FORTRAN, supplemented by a few MACRO@ > subroutines, and invoked from a few dozen lines of DCL.  Phew. > D > ISTR wasting lots of night/weekend time customizing TPU to do what@ > EDT did out of the box.  The fact that EDT is a canned app can > save a lot of time.  > --D Good point I think, but the source TPU for many editors is availableH and, because it's TPU it's EXTENSIBLE. You can just add on and customizeF it. EDT is fine, for line editing, but it's limited, especially in the screen handling area.  -- E   Have VMS, Will Travele Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 16:01:36 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?3 Message-ID: <NhBqm7wyYs5w@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  b In article <3E5A6980.CB00A167@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:E >>   EDT's brief line editting commands.  When I need to make a quick.E >>   change to several files I quite often write a little EDT script.bE >>   I already have a DCL utility which will loop over several files, < >>   the required command then is "edit/edt/command=script". > + > TPU can do the same, but not as "obvious"E, > Here is an example of replacing something: > + > position (beginning_of (current_buffer)); 2 >  status := eve_replace("<date>", FAO ("!%D",0));  F    Ouch.  When I"m programming extensions to Eve, I'll write all that.  F    When I'm in a hurry and it's not a simple global replace like I use    TECO for, I'll use EDT.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 15:01:51 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0302241501.6215401a@posting.google.com>   Z Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<3E5A71B8.B80CB668@pacbell.net>... > Bob Willard wrote: > >  > > Don Sykes wrote:K > > > I often hear the "EDT is better" stuff, but I can't think of a singleoJ > > > thing that EDT can do that I can't do with my customized TPU editor. > > G > > And I can't think of a single thing that EDT can do that I can't doiD > > with a few hundred lines of FORTRAN, supplemented by a few MACROB > > subroutines, and invoked from a few dozen lines of DCL.  Phew. > > F > > ISTR wasting lots of night/weekend time customizing TPU to do whatB > > EDT did out of the box.  The fact that EDT is a canned app can > > save a lot of time.h > > --F > Good point I think, but the source TPU for many editors is available  F The source for EDT is not available. Where are the line mode commands?= Where are the nokeypad commands? Yes, the full screen mode isn& emulated, but that's only part of EDT.  J > and, because it's TPU it's EXTENSIBLE. You can just add on and customize  F I think his point was that he doesn't want to customize TPU to do whatA he already has in EDT. And that was only *one* of my many points.p   You can also customize EDT.   H > it. EDT is fine, for line editing, but it's limited, especially in the > screen handling area.4   Can you customize TPU to...C  7 display the key definitions you typed in using "LEARN"?   " emulate EDT's ALL range-specifier?  < edit fixed-width-record files without converting the file to variable-length-record files?   = eliminate the spastic cursor movements when deleting words or0 characters?   + eliminate the spastic find next movements?    2 avoid reading the entire file into virtual memory?  ? not insist I type case-independent search strings in lowercase?2  = not take 2 to 3 seconds to process 11 lines of init commands?   < not to produce an annoying spasmodic display while doing so?  % emulate EDT's SET NOTRUNCATE feature?    stay in line mode?  B And if you *can* customize TPU to do any of these things, how long) would it take and how well would it work?4   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:50:41 -040000 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?/ Message-ID: <3E5A6980.CB00A167@vl.videotron.ca>c   Bob Koehler wrote:D >   EDT's brief line editting commands.  When I need to make a quickD >   change to several files I quite often write a little EDT script.D >   I already have a DCL utility which will loop over several files,; >   the required command then is "edit/edt/command=script".h  ) TPU can do the same, but not as "obvious" * Here is an example of replacing something:  ) position (beginning_of (current_buffer)); 0  status := eve_replace("<date>", FAO ("!%D",0));      here is a more complete example ' $editx/tpu/nodisplay/nowork/nojournal -o!      /command=sys$input 'templateE    mybuffer := current_buffer ;l  POPMAIL$DIR := "" ;3  message("Generating configuration from template");-2  defs := create_buffer("definitions","xyzzy.tpu");  execute(defs);l    position(mybuffer);  eve$$x_global_replace := TRUE; 6  the_names := expand_name("POPMAIL$",VARIABLES) + " ";'  the_length := length (the_names) - 1 ;i  loope         exitif the_names = "";.         space_index := index (the_names, " ");<         the_name := substr (the_names, 1, space_index - 1) ;M         the_names := substr (the_names, space_index + 1, length (the_names));TM      the_command := "eve_replace(""<" + the_name + ">""," + the_name + ");" ;n1         position (beginning_of (current_buffer));l         execute(the_command);d
  endloop ;  *  position (beginning_of (current_buffer));0  status := eve_replace("<date>", FAO ("!%D",0)); if POPMAIL$DIR <> "" then5  final_file := POPMAIL$DIR + "POPTOMAIL_PARAMS.COM" ; /  message("Now saving the configuration file" ); !  write_file(mybuffer,final_file);s elseD  message("***Something went wrong, configuration was not saved***"); endif;  quit;   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:51:32 -0500o* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?2 Message-ID: <FE2dnTa86KmBI8ejXTWcow@metrocast.net>  = "Nigel Barker" <nigel@removetomailme@hp.com> wrote in message-2 news:g2sj5vcl03ufqpecsucrpv6oem7lm8l6bf@4ax.com...J > On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:26:40 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: >  > >e1 > >"Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in messages5 > >news:necc5vohsnonddu9esiph5hcb5f49hd294@4ax.com....1 > >> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:49:39 -0400, JF Mezei>$ > ><jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> > >> wrote:I > >>@ > >> >Has Digital/compaq/HP announced any plans to improve VMS ? > >>; > >> The OpenVMS Rolling Roadmaps presentation available athG > >> http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htmf4 > >> details improvements planned for years to come. > >_K > >Well, for two years to come, at any rate.  About then, the roadmap seemsv toL > >hit a dead end (at least w.r.t. any substantive information), which mightJ > >strike some as a bit ominous.  And the improvements planned during thatK > >two-year period, while certainly worthwhile, are not what one might terms > >'aggressive'. >kL > These are the _Rolling_ Roadmaps. Most go out to 2006. Look at the roadmap4 > presentation in a year & they will be out to 2007.  C What I did was use the URL you provided above and download the .pptaI presentation, which on at least a cursory inspection appears to duplicatecH the little Javascript slide presentation on the Web page but in far more convenient format.  J That presentation is as I said:  all discussion of VMS-related developmentC appears to cease about 2 years from now.  If I should be looking at 7 something else, please specify what and how to find it.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:35:48 GMTo' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>3( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?+ Message-ID: <3E5AC92B.3751044F@pacbell.net>o   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > \ > Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<3E5A71B8.B80CB668@pacbell.net>... > > Bob Willard wrote: > > >e > > > Don Sykes wrote:M > > > > I often hear the "EDT is better" stuff, but I can't think of a singlesL > > > > thing that EDT can do that I can't do with my customized TPU editor. > > >oI > > > And I can't think of a single thing that EDT can do that I can't dooF > > > with a few hundred lines of FORTRAN, supplemented by a few MACROD > > > subroutines, and invoked from a few dozen lines of DCL.  Phew. > > >>H > > > ISTR wasting lots of night/weekend time customizing TPU to do whatD > > > EDT did out of the box.  The fact that EDT is a canned app can > > > save a lot of time.N > > > --H > > Good point I think, but the source TPU for many editors is available > H > The source for EDT is not available. Where are the line mode commands?? > Where are the nokeypad commands? Yes, the full screen mode isB( > emulated, but that's only part of EDT. > L > > and, because it's TPU it's EXTENSIBLE. You can just add on and customize > H > I think his point was that he doesn't want to customize TPU to do whatC > he already has in EDT. And that was only *one* of my many points.. >  > You can also customize EDT.  > J > > it. EDT is fine, for line editing, but it's limited, especially in the > > screen handling area.0 >  > Can you customize TPU to...F > 9 > display the key definitions you typed in using "LEARN"?3 yes.   > $ > emulate EDT's ALL range-specifier? yes.   > > > edit fixed-width-record files without converting the file to > variable-length-record files?o- No. At least not with native functions AFAIK.e   > ? > eliminate the spastic cursor movements when deleting words ore
 > characters?>' I still don't see those with my editor.!   > , > eliminate the spastic find next movements? Again I no see.e   > 4 > avoid reading the entire file into virtual memory?F No. But that's not always so great. If I'm editing a big file and wantF to go to the end, or do a search, I still have to wait for EDT to read6 it all in. So why not do it all up front? (retorical)    > A > not insist I type case-independent search strings in lowercase?d yes.   > ? > not take 2 to 3 seconds to process 11 lines of init commands?- I still don't see that either.   > > > not to produce an annoying spasmodic display while doing so? ditto above.   > ' > emulate EDT's SET NOTRUNCATE feature?: Yes.   >  > stay in line mode? Yes.   > D > And if you *can* customize TPU to do any of these things, how long+ > would it take and how well would it work?nD Depends on your skills, but once done, you shouldn't have to do them@ again and you'd wind up with a super set of EDT + all the screen features of TPU!   >  > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman    -- r   Have VMS, Will Travel0 Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Feb 2003 02:13:54 GMT- From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> ( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?> Message-ID: <Xns932CD7FB2AEC1kenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241>  - "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote ins+ news:FE2dnTa86KmBI8ejXTWcow@metrocast.net: n   > ? > "Nigel Barker" <nigel@removetomailme@hp.com> wrote in message-4 > news:g2sj5vcl03ufqpecsucrpv6oem7lm8l6bf@4ax.com...2 >> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:26:40 -0500, "Bill Todd" >> <billtodd@metrocast.net>  > wrote: >> >> >2 >> >"Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message6 >> >news:necc5vohsnonddu9esiph5hcb5f49hd294@4ax.com...2 >> >> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:49:39 -0400, JF Mezei% >> ><jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>  >> >> wrote: >> >>aA >> >> >Has Digital/compaq/HP announced any plans to improve VMS ?  >> >>t< >> >> The OpenVMS Rolling Roadmaps presentation available atH >> >> http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm5 >> >> details improvements planned for years to come.n >> >F >> >Well, for two years to come, at any rate.  About then, the roadmap
 >> >seems  > toG >> >hit a dead end (at least w.r.t. any substantive information), whichrE >> >might strike some as a bit ominous.  And the improvements plannedtD >> >during that two-year period, while certainly worthwhile, are not% >> >what one might term 'aggressive'.: >>E >> These are the _Rolling_ Roadmaps. Most go out to 2006. Look at the = >> roadmap presentation in a year & they will be out to 2007.u > E > What I did was use the URL you provided above and download the .pptoA > presentation, which on at least a cursory inspection appears touH > duplicate the little Javascript slide presentation on the Web page but  > in far more convenient format. > @ > That presentation is as I said:  all discussion of VMS-relatedF > development appears to cease about 2 years from now.  If I should beD > looking at something else, please specify what and how to find it.   Bill,f  I I also downloaded the presentation and looked at it. Starting on Page 10 tH of the presentation and going forward, almost every page has a timeline F that ends at 2006. To the right of the 2006 is a right pointing arrow ' which, to me, indicates more to come...2  H And, as has been said already, this is a "rolling roadmap", which means - that it is being updated every 3 or 4 months.3   Keni   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 18:33:16 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0302241833.6037bede@posting.google.com>m  g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E5A6980.CB00A167@vl.videotron.ca>...n > Bob Koehler wrote:F > >   EDT's brief line editting commands.  When I need to make a quickF > >   change to several files I quite often write a little EDT script.F > >   I already have a DCL utility which will loop over several files,= > >   the required command then is "edit/edt/command=script".m > + > TPU can do the same, but not as "obvious" , > Here is an example of replacing something: > + > position (beginning_of (current_buffer));e2 >  status := eve_replace("<date>", FAO ("!%D",0));  E What do I do with this? EDIT/TPU  /init=? /com=? /sec=? what?! How dopD you run this? It looks like what you are demonstrating is fancy word? processing for a docmument whereas what Bob is talking about isNB probably a simple string change in a DCL command file or some dataD file. What does one have to do with the other? Again, TPU appears toF be a rocket ship that being is touted as a great way to get across the street.L  yD Bob mentioned making a quick change to several files. How would this snippet accomplish that?  " > here is a more complete example ) > $editx/tpu/nodisplay/nowork/nojournal -i# >      /command=sys$input 'templaten >  >  mybuffer := current_buffer ;m/ [... many lines of TPU or whatever omitted ...]n > endif; >  quit;  C What is your point? What does this script do? You have to write and B debug this entire program to do what is a very simple one-liner in EDT?  ! Could you be a little more vague?o   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:32:25 GMTp7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)b( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?? Message-ID: <JIz6a.253856$Ec4.258259@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>o  _ In article <FE2dnTa86KmBI8ejXTWcow@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:u >h> >"Nigel Barker" <nigel@removetomailme@hp.com> wrote in message3 >news:g2sj5vcl03ufqpecsucrpv6oem7lm8l6bf@4ax.com... K >> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:26:40 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>  >wrote:  <snip>>i< >> >> The OpenVMS Rolling Roadmaps presentation available atH >> >> http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm5 >> >> details improvements planned for years to come.  >> >L >> >Well, for two years to come, at any rate.  About then, the roadmap seems >toaM >> >hit a dead end (at least w.r.t. any substantive information), which might_K >> >strike some as a bit ominous.  And the improvements planned during thatdL >> >two-year period, while certainly worthwhile, are not what one might term >> >'aggressive'.= >>M >> These are the _Rolling_ Roadmaps. Most go out to 2006. Look at the roadmap-5 >> presentation in a year & they will be out to 2007.o > D >What I did was use the URL you provided above and download the .pptJ >presentation, which on at least a cursory inspection appears to duplicateI >the little Javascript slide presentation on the Web page but in far more- >convenient format.- >-K >That presentation is as I said:  all discussion of VMS-related developmentnD >appears to cease about 2 years from now.  If I should be looking at8 >something else, please specify what and how to find it. >i   Hi Bill,  K The third slide in the presentation has a legend at the bottom right of thek slide which reads,  > "Future releases providing continuing enhancement and support"  L Nothing is carved in stone (of course), but it also seems to contradict your% "appears to cease" declaration above.:  I >- billR    A _________________________________________________________________F0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"n   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 19:50:32 -0800: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?< Message-ID: <7f15589f.0302241950.7b77386@posting.google.com>  g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E567857.CCA81DC9@vl.videotron.ca>...   O > Now, if TPU could also be given some forms capabilities, it would provide forjH > very easy applications to be setup, similar to what ALL-IN-1 provided. > N > TPU has the scripting *AND* user interface (both character cell and X). Perl > only has the scripting.l  % There is an SMG extension for Perl at-D <http://www.sidhe.org/misc/smg.zip>.  I haven't looked at it in someF time and can't remember how complete it is, but I seem to remember the% test suite looking pretty impressive.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:05:07 -0500l* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?2 Message-ID: <NdKcnSpeTebkdsejXTWc3g@metrocast.net>  : "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> wrote in message8 news:Xns932CD7FB2AEC1kenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241...   ...r  J > I also downloaded the presentation and looked at it. Starting on Page 10I > of the presentation and going forward, almost every page has a timelineeG > that ends at 2006. To the right of the 2006 is a right pointing arrowc) > which, to me, indicates more to come...s  J Indeed, I do not expect time to stop after 2006 either:  what I find a bitC ominous is that there's no indication of any *specific* VMS-relatedSL development planned after early 2005 (yes, there's the "on-going enhancmentsC blah blah blah" boilerplate, but that doesn't exactly reassure me).   I > And, as has been said already, this is a "rolling roadmap", which meansd/ > that it is being updated every 3 or 4 months.   D Well, I'm sure it's been more than 3 - 4 months since I last saw theJ roadmap, and the last date of any specific VMS-related enhancements hasn't changed.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 13:31:41 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: URL change 3 Message-ID: <72R5IrRlhyls@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  ] In article <v5kn76jkk2dfd@news.supernews.com>, "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com> writes:l > java is easy  C Java also provides a good warning flag so security conscious peoplea know which websites to avoid.l  D It might have an unplanned side effect of scaring away those on VAX.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:55:22 -0500:, From: "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com> Subject: Re: Re: URL change>/ Message-ID: <v5ku5si5cqdb64@news.supernews.com>t    Ok Javascript whatever, already.  J Either way, if you don't have Java enabled, then just click on the link on the redirect page    DT   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:08:24 -0400e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: URL change_/ Message-ID: <3E5A6DA6.AC7F52FC@vl.videotron.ca>$  
 Island wrote:n >  > absolutely > M > The islandco.com server has a little jave script forwarding islandco.com toO
 > hpaq.netA > And will stay that way until the Master DNS records are changedR   BAD BOY ! BAD BOY !u  K The formal method is to the the <META http-equiv  tag in the <HEAD section.rH (or simply configure the web server to redirect to the right site, which* doesn't require any HTML placeholder page.  ( Javascript tricks are just that: tricks.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 15:46:48 -0800/ From: robl@no-no-badpuppy.com (Robert Lawrence)8, Subject: VAX/OpenVMS Setup Help for a newbie< Message-ID: <eebf2e9b.0302241546.84bc041@posting.google.com>  F Is there anyone willing to provide me with a CD image or a copy of theC disc to use with a hobbyist license?  Or maybe someone in Southeast = Texas (USA) would be willing to allow me to borrow the media.a  A The official Hobbyist's site says "If you are still interested ind? getting OpenVMS for your VAX, you may try borrowing a CD from aoB friend, co-worker, local Encompass LUG, Ebay, or other places."  I? hope I am not asking for something inappropriate on this group.=  C I know that it can be ordered online for $30, but I am between jobsED due to corporate down-sizing and would prefer not spending the money at the moment.   Thanks.o   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 15:23:17 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)i- Subject: Re: VMSclusters vs. others' clustersl= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302241523.128f3de0@posting.google.com>   s spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0302211728.514ae037@posting.google.com>... E > Occasionally the topic of clusters comes up at work and I'd like to 9 > say what makes VMSclusters so much better than others'.a  = (Ken Moreau does an excellent presentation "Survey of Cluster B Technology", most recently as Session 1048 at HP-ETS 2002.  If youC didn't attend that and thus don't have access to their website, the1! CETS 2001 version is available at9E http://www.openvms.compaq.pl/presentations/cets2001/TruVMSCluster.htm + and a November 2000 version from ESILUG at P; http://eisner.encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/presentations/)   A First of all, one should identify the problem that one intends to  solve with clustering.  @ Most *nix clusters today are used to solve scalability problems,@ applying more systems to a given problem in the High PerformanceC Technical Computing (HPTC) space.  VMS clusters have certainly beencB used for this in the past, but it is more common to find *nix here today.  < VMS is very strong in the area of use of clustering for high
 availability.p  D > But I know very little about what others' clusters really do. I'veF > heard that Google has a cluster of thousands of Linux boxes. Is that' > true? How would VMS make that better?m  ? Web serving is another area where clustering for scalability isdB common.  If your content is static, or seldom changes, then it can readily be replicatedoC to many boxes.  It doesn't matter which box a data request comes inrE to, because the data on all the boxes is the same.  By balancing loaduB across all the boxes, you gain scalability.  And if any single boxD fails, you still have many boxes available to serve requests, so theB reliability of any single box is not that important.  VMS could doD this well also, but more often you find (what are perceived as) very3 cheap boxes (i.e. Linux on Intel) doing this today.0  C > So what are the particular features of VMSclusters that sets themlE > apart from the rest, esp. Unix and Windows systems? If readers givexH > good answers here I'll be well equipped to tell my coworkers about it.  = In the area of high-availability clusters, there is a logicaliC progression of features and capabilities from the low end up to the-	 high end.-  E At the low end, in so-called "fail-over" clusters, one node stands bysB and takes over if the primary node fails.  A "heartbeat" signal ofB some sort is typically used by the standby node to detect when the? primary node fails.  Only one node or the other can provide thetD service at any one time, so half of the capacity is typically wastedD waiting in standby mode.  Because of perceptions of poor reliabilityD of such low-end solutions, some customers jokingly refer to these asD "Fall-Over" clusters, since that's what they sometimes do instead ofD fail-over. :-)  It is not uncommon for these clusters to put storage? on a common SCSI bus.  But only one node at a time can access aR> particular disk.  These clusters work fine until you need more( capacity than a single node can provide.  A Next, to allow more than one node to access data at once, low-endaD clusters tend to designate a single server to coordinate access to aB given disk or file system.  By funneling all requests through thatB single system, you can have multiple systems' worth of applicationC capacity and yet avoid having to have a Lock Manager.  (This schemeeD works fine until that single server becomes overloaded or dies.) :-)  C In order to provide more cluster functionality and go beyond 2-node 6 clusters, you typically need to move up to including aD more-sophisticated Connection Manager in place of a simple heartbeat scheme.   B To allow arbitration of access conflicts in connection with sharedE resources like disks on common SCSI busses or Fibre Channel SANs, yous typically need a Quorum Scheme.h  B If you want to actually share resources between nodes, rather than@ just arbitrate for one-at-a-time access, you tend to need a Lock Manager of some sort.N  A A Cluster-Wide File System allows multiple nodes to access a fileCD system at once.  In less-sophisticated clusters, while each node mayE read and write file contents independently, a single node coordinatessF updates to the metadata of a given file system.  In more-sophisticatedC clusters (like OpenVMS), each node can modify file system metadata,c0 with coordination provided via the Lock Manager.  F Some sort of indirect access to storage is helpful.  Otherwise, all ofE the nodes have to be directly attached to some sort of shared storagecE interconnect (SCSI and Fibre Channel are common in this role today).  B With the OpenVMS MSCP Server, any disk (even locally-attached SCSI9 disks) can be made accessible to any node in the cluster.   ? VMS can readily use higher levels of redundancy than most other3F environments.  You can have 4 LAN rails or more, and VMS will use themC all, surviving down to the last one.  You can also layer redundancy E quite readily -- for example, use controller-based mirroring, and put D host-based volume shadowing on top of that to survive even a failure$ of a dual-redundant controller pair.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:04:27 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: Webcast - Legal Liability for Security BreachesI Message-ID: <LFw6a.55899$b8v1.45791@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   A I received the following in my email today and thought those here B might like to know about it. It's not VMS-specific but it is a hot topic.  E Might be useful to use as ammunition when telling the boss that thererC are good reasons to contiue to USE and EXPAND the use of VMS withinL your organization.  ; -----------------------------------------------------------m  D You are invited to a fast-paced web-based briefing and discussion onD Legal Liability for Security Breaches - and Minimum Standards of Due Care  " Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 Time: 1 PM EST (1800 UTC) 4 Register at: http://www.sans.org/webcasts/022603.php   Program descriptionn= Legal liability has long been "future motivator" for improvedh	 security.l@ The future has arrived. What can companies do to ensure they are meeting  minimum standards of due care?   Litigation and Laws < A health care organization faces a class action law suit for inadvertent ? disclosure of personal information for 500,000 clients using an  innovative theory of damages.a  A A new law in California requires companies to tell customers whena theirM@ name -- along with either their Social Security number, driver's licensecA number or credit card or debit account number in combination with @ security or access codes -- has been accessed by an unauthorized person.fB When it goes into effect in July, attorneys will have a continuous8 stream of organizations as potential litigation targets.   And there are more.    Minimum Standards of Due Care   B More than 100 organizations, government and commercial, around theF world, have joined forces to establish minimum security benchmarks forD systems connected to the Internet. The US Department of Defense justF published a study proving that systems configured using the benchmarksC are free of more than 85% of all known vulnerabilities and are even 5 protected from many newly discovered vulnerabilities.h  B It is not unreasonable to expect courts to rely on these consensus@ benchmarks as one possible set of minimum standards of due care.   The Speakers@ We are honored that the most respected private attorney on these matters-A has agreed to provide an update on the litigation and laws and to  answer? your questions. Mark Rasch was the head of the US Department ofe Justice F Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section and has, for nearly aE decade, provided some of the most insightful and interesting analysisi of trends in cyber law.   C Joining Mark is Hal Pomeranz, the top teacher of security hardening C techniques, and one of the technical directors of the multinational B effort to establish consensus on minimum standards of due care for security configurations.  E Alan Paller, research director of the SANS will moderate the session.s  The session sponsor is BindView.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Feb 2003 15:28:56 -0800, From: mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin)/ Subject: What type of memory does PWS 500A use? < Message-ID: <e9cbc4f2.0302241528.7c189cf@posting.google.com>  E I am looking at buying a PWS 500a for personal use due to the expensemE of upgrading the memory in my AS500. Does anyone know what the memorys? spec's are for the PWS 500? Normally, I would just go to IslandeB Computer. However, due to my current financial situation, I reallyB need to find some cheaper "generic" memory if possible. I was toldF that these systems use ECC PC100 memory. However, there are variationsC within that (registered, etc.) that I am not sure about. Also, doeslC this box require that it be installed in pairs or fours? Also, does ' the Qlogic SCSI controller support VMS?   E I need a machine with an asolute minimum of 512MB although 768 or 1GBf) would be better. It just depends on cost.u  F If anyone has experience with these machines, any suggestions would be appreciated.   Thanks.m Bill McLaughlino   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:43:09 GMTo6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)3 Subject: Re: What type of memory does PWS 500A use?i4 Message-ID: <h6y6a.80940$Rb4.1160110@news.chello.at>  k In article <e9cbc4f2.0302241528.7c189cf@posting.google.com>, mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin) writes:-F >I am looking at buying a PWS 500a for personal use due to the expenseF >of upgrading the memory in my AS500. Does anyone know what the memory@ >spec's are for the PWS 500? Normally, I would just go to IslandC >Computer. However, due to my current financial situation, I really C >need to find some cheaper "generic" memory if possible. I was toldtG >that these systems use ECC PC100 memory. However, there are variationseD >within that (registered, etc.) that I am not sure about. Also, doesD >this box require that it be installed in pairs or fours? Also, does( >the Qlogic SCSI controller support VMS?  3 AFAIK, it is registered ECC and installed in pairs.a= Goto comp.sys.dec and/or to a search page of a memory broker.eK Then goto EBAY and buy 512MB for $100 or less (you need time, of course)...0  E And, yes, the Qlogic ISP1020 SCSI-2 does support VMS (and I think the  ISP1040 does it, too).  F >I need a machine with an asolute minimum of 512MB although 768 or 1GB* >would be better. It just depends on cost.   Sure   -- d Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER-% Network and OpenVMS system specialist, E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:00:05 -0500t; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com>D7 Subject: Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?n$ Message-ID: <3e5a79b7$1@news.si.com>  J >The V1.3 release brings the X11 client and server up to X11R6.6.  It willL >only be available on Alpha, and won't install on older versions of OpenVMS.   Why??? -- yI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comh5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.O@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991n8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:07:20 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>a7 Subject: Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?l. Message-ID: <3e5a8989$1_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  F "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3e5a79b7$1@news.si.com...L > >The V1.3 release brings the X11 client and server up to X11R6.6.  It willE > >only be available on Alpha, and won't install on older versions ofi OpenVMS. >0 > Why???  I 1) Not on VAX.  It's not on VAX because the changes are rather large, andTH the VAX base doesn't need any instability.  And instability can come notG just as bugs, or differences in behavior - but features that exceed theiI capabilities of the feeble graphics and CPUs on the VAX systems.  The VAX J server, for instance is a *unique* server - it's not based on any existingE code base (MIT or XFREE86) - but developed independently from the MITa X11R1-beta base.  H 2) Not on older versions of VMS.  CRTL issues for example.  The code wasI such a crock, since when it was written, the CRTL didn't implement almostNK any "interesting" UNIX calls.  So they created their own versions.  We need L to get out of this hole, and up to a decent rev of the compiler, RTL, threadH library, and system services.  As the UNIX compatability stuff rolls outI over the next couple years, my personal dream is to remove all but a core K set of VMS changes (like displaying VMS-style filenames), and to be able to < pull down and compile a new version of X11 without the pain.  I You can *continue* to use the V1.2-6 - or earlier - versions on the olderA versions of VMS.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.109 ************************