1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 25 Feb 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 110       Contents:: Re: A long-winded piece that ultimately gets to benchmarks A VENDRE pour Hobbyists 7 Alignment/padding requirements for shareable image data ; Re: Alignment/padding requirements for shareable image data ; Re: Alignment/padding requirements for shareable image data 9 Re: Domain of interpretation (was: SYS$ACM documentation)  Re: Dumping LAT  Re: Dumping LAT  Re: Dumping LAT + DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?) / Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?) / Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?) / Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?) / Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?) / Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?) / Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?) 5 Entering into the world of OpenVMS administration.... 9 Re: Entering into the world of OpenVMS administration.... 9 Re: Entering into the world of OpenVMS administration.... 8 External Authentication and Windows2000 Active Directory< Re: External Authentication and Windows2000 Active Directory FLIGHT has met its match Re: FLIGHT has met its match Re: Frequent_job.log;32767# ftp server gets disabled at startup 0 Giving over $37,000 to use their products! 69506 Re: Googlism for OpenVMS Re: Googlism for OpenVMS Re: Googlism for OpenVMS Re: Help. BIND Problem Re: Hobbyist CD not recognizedL Re: HP World 2003 (was Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical  Bootcamp)> Re: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and Expo> Re: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and Expo> Re: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and Expo> Re: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and ExpoP Re: HSxx shadowing/striping vis a vis hardware RAID - was RE: Volume set  across I feel that might help4 Kermit buglet, spurriuous LFs in LOG SESSION (tcpip)8 Re: Kermit buglet, spurriuous LFs in LOG SESSION (tcpip)/ Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / RE: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS! / Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!  MSIE ftp hangs FTPD  Re: MSIE ftp hangs FTPD . New DECwindows 1.3 documentation but no kit ??2 Re: New DECwindows 1.3 documentation but no kit ??2 Re: New DECwindows 1.3 documentation but no kit ??+ Re: O.T. (Was: Re: FREE VAXstation 4000-60) P Re: Official OpenVMS name for the =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Itanium=AE_re?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Re: PMAG-B on DEC 3000/400 Re: Porting Library on 7.3-1F RE: Problems connecting to PATHWORKS share ofter upgrade from V5 to V6 PRODUCT REMOVE problem. A Question: why sometimes asctim returns "17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00"? E Re: Question: why sometimes asctim returns "17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00"? * Questions about BACKUP under OpenVMS 7.3-1. Re: Questions about BACKUP under OpenVMS 7.3-1+ Questions about SEARCH under OpenVMS V7.3-1 / Re: Questions about SEARCH under OpenVMS V7.3-1 / Re: Questions about SEARCH under OpenVMS V7.3-1 / Re: Questions about SEARCH under OpenVMS V7.3-1 ) Re: Rename SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]SYS0.DIR   Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file Re: Shutdown and power off? 
 Supermicro Re: Supermicro+ Re: Suspected compromise of my home VMS box . Re: TCPIP Services - not talking on interface?. Re: TCPIP Services - not talking on interface?. Re: TCPIP Services - not talking on interface?% Re: technical question re. vms editor % RE: technical question re. vms editor % Re: technical question re. vms editor % Re: technical question re. vms editor % Re: technical question re. vms editor % RE: technical question re. vms editor % Re: technical question re. vms editor % Re: technical question re. vms editor % Re: technical question re. vms editor  Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS RE: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS Re: The End of OpenVMS% Re: Type the beginning of a file only % Re: Type the beginning of a file only % Re: Type the beginning of a file only . Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2. Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2 Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ? * Re: What type of memory does PWS 500A use? Where to get a recent Emacs?- Re: [CDU] Compiler doesn't work over DECnet ? - Re: [CDU] Compiler doesn't work over DECnet ? - Re: [CDU] Compiler doesn't work over DECnet ? . Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?. Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?. Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:38:12 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy C Subject: Re: A long-winded piece that ultimately gets to benchmarks . Message-ID: <3E5B55A4.8010306@nospamn.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:0 > Always ask "So what are they trying to hide?". > I > Sure, just like the horsepower rating doesn't tell you how a truck will L > perform, but I would be suspicious if the dealer started out by telling me > that it's meaningless. > M > Sun has a point - benchmarks are not a substitute for testing the customers K > own workload.  Which is why VMS sponsors a number of centers for customer L > benchmarking.  On the other hand, it's a bit disingenuous to 'cherry pick'J > the benchmarks that you support - simply because you look so bad on some+ > that you can't easily defend the numbers.  >    Humm  1 Lets take the case made by one of the choir Kerry 2 Maine for the GS320's status as one of the leading& servers from a performance standpoint.  / I provided, TPC-H, Oracle Apps, SAP, PeopleSoft 1 the last three being capacity planning benchmarks 1 based on the actual application. To that list you 0 could also add Retek, Manugistics and whole host1 of other application capacity planning benchmarks " where Sun has leading performance.  / The GS320 had industry trailing performance for 4 Oracle apps, TPC-H and SAP both in terms of absolute# performance and per CPU performance   1 Kerry's counter argument was based around TPC-C a 3 benchmark that SUN doesn't do any longer because of 1 the issues covered in the article. Kerry tried to 1 imply that Sun's despite their advantages in more 8 complex benchmarks like TPC-H and actual apps benchmarks6 like SAP and Oracle Apps must be slower than the GS320$ simply because we hadn't done TPC-C.  7 Are you now suggesting that Kerrys argument was bogus ?    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:10:36 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>  Subject: A VENDRE pour Hobbyists& Message-ID: <3E5B16EC.6070606@Free.fr>  , Cause changement de mtier, vends (urgent) :  F Une AlphaStation PWS600au, VMS 7.3, 1 Go RAM, 3 disques RZmachin dans I baie externe, un disque RFtruc en interne, CDROM, rseau et tutti quanti   : 1000 euros  1 Une AlphaStation 4/266 512 Mo sans OS : 500 euros   % Un cran plat Siemens 15' : 500 euros   I Des tonnes de cbles, prises et autres merdouilles en sus, plus doc, CDs  2   RTL, doc TCP/IP, bouquins VMS et autres goodies.   Vendu sparment ou le tout.  G Les prix sont indicatifs, l'objectif tant de tout vendre, j'ai besoin   de place :-)  : Matos  Toulouse. Livraison gratuite dans toute la France.   D. --  )     M O R A N D I   C o n s u l t a n t s + 19 chemin de la Butte 31400 Toulouse France + Tl: 33(0)6 7983 6418 Fax: 33(0)5 6154 1928 %         http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:11:43 GMT 4 From: "Johan Nilsson" <johan.nilsson@esrange.ssc.se>@ Subject: Alignment/padding requirements for shareable image data@ Message-ID: <bbcd0db712ec97731d8d5e2d30500e98@news.teranews.com>   Hi,   H I originally posted this a few days ago ("Data in shareable image"), butJ didn't provide enough details initially and the thread seemed to die. I'll; give it another go (please see end of posting for details):    --- J  I have a problem sharing data between processes through a shareable imageK on an Alpha OpenVMS system. The data is declared as a C struct, linked into  a H shareable image and installed. When I try to include the definition fromI another C program, I get an error indicating that the size of the data in C the shareable image is 956, while the program expects it to be 960.   J I can "fix it" by adding a "char dummy[4]" to the end of the struct, so itJ basically seems to be a padding problem when the last member of the structJ isn't a multiple of 8 bytes. What is a bit surprising for me, is why the CI _program_ expects the size to be padded, but the shared image 'truncates' B the struct. The compiler and linker are the same for both modules.  I  So, am I correct in my assumption here? If so, is there any way avoiding 7 this without resorting to manual padding of the struct?    ---    *** common.h *** ...  #pragma member_alignment struct common_type {      .... };( extern struct common_type common_struct; *** end common.h ***   *** common.c ***! struct common_type common_struct;  *** end common.c ***     *** client.c *** #include "common.h"   
 void foo() {    ... use common_struct ...  }  *** end client.c ***    / To compile and link common.c (beware of typos):    $  cc common /standard=vaxc  $ link/share/map common, -
 SYS$INPUT/OPT  GSMATCH=lequal,1,1000 # SYMBOL_VECTOR=(common_struct=PSECT)  PSECT_ATTR=common_struct,SHR <ctrl-z>  J (I then copy the image to sys$share and install using the INSTALL utility, using the /SHARE switch)  J To compile and link client.c (It is in the link stage below that the error* occurs, unless I pad the struct manually):  / $ cc client/extern=common/standard=vaxc/warning * $ link client.obj/EXECUTABLE=client.exe, -    SYS$INPUT/OPTIONS    sys$share:common/share     PSECT_ATTR=common_struct,SHR  <ctrl-z>  H The linker is issuing the error %LINK-E-SHRPSCLNG, informing me that theB data in the shareable image is 956 bytes versus 960 in the client.  ) Any comments would be really appreciated.    // Johan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:41:02 +0100 % From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com> D Subject: Re: Alignment/padding requirements for shareable image data/ Message-ID: <DvJ6a.345$%43.40@news.cpqcorp.net>    May be an answer in L http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/CHAMP_SRC960130004722.h tml    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:13:29 GMT 4 From: "Johan Nilsson" <johan.nilsson@esrange.ssc.se>D Subject: Re: Alignment/padding requirements for shareable image data@ Message-ID: <71791fea22a4cf7778afdee46f3bc869@news.teranews.com>  0 "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com> wrote in message) news:DvJ6a.345$%43.40@news.cpqcorp.net...  >  > May be an answer in  > L http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/CHAMP_SRC960130004722.h > tml  >   H I've already seen that one, but thanks for the pointer anyway. I believeJ that if the problem was related to different C RTLs I would get reports onL mismatching between items defined within the RTL and not my "private" stuff.   // Johan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:05:12 -0500 + From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> B Subject: Re: Domain of interpretation (was: SYS$ACM documentation)0 Message-ID: <4PK6a.349$zd3.244@news.cpqcorp.net>  5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message 3 news:pWt6a.34987$or1.366004@wagner.videotron.net...  > Question to security gurus:  > K > What is a domain of interpretation ? Is it equivalent to a Windows domain  > for example?  K No, a "domain of interpretation" (or DOI) in the context of SYS$ACM defines L a name-space, authentication policy, and security profile for users within aJ particular environment. (Each DOI is actually a shareable image running inL the context of the ACME_SERVER process. We call these shareable images "ACME	 agents".)   : In OpenVMS 7.3-1, there are two DOI's: "VMS" and "MSV1_0".  I The MSV1_0 DOI enforces Microsoft LAN Manager domain-based authentication L ("domain" as defined by Microsoft) using usernames and passwords stored in aG Microsoft domain. SYS$ACM employs the Advanced Server product to access  Microsoft domain information.   K The VMS DOI enforces the standard VMS authentication policy using usernames / and passwords contained in the SYSUAF.DAT file.   5 > If I want to change password on my OpenVMS box with L > ACME$_FC_CHANGE_PASSWORD, can I do it also on the various NT domains which
 > we have?  L The MSV1_0 DOI runs under a single LAN Manager domain, using Advanced ServerJ as the connection into the domain. It does not distribute password changes to more than one domain.  H If you call SYS$ACM with ACME$FC_CHANGE_PASSWORD, MSV1_0 will change theF user's password in the LAN Manager domain and VMS will synchronize theJ password in the SYSUAF.DAT. This assumes you have marked the corresponding' VMS user account with the EXTAUTH flag.   I This functionality is equivalent to external authentication introduced in  VMS 7.1.  E > Let's say I have a domain named "THISBRANCH". Can I specify it with K > ACME$_TARGET_DOI_NAME and change \\THISBRANCH\MYUSER password over there?  IfG > so then what is the syntax for the domain name (just the name, append  > backslashes, etc) ?   K The ACME$_TARGET_DOI_NAME item code is used to "target" a specific DOI. The J item code exists for special DOI-specific applications. The item code mustH specify either "VMS" or "MSV1_0" in 7.3-1. You would specify "MSV1_0" inI your example. Or, as Larry suggests, you can leave out this item code and . let the service dispatch the request normally.  > > Any precision on how to do this will be greatly appreciated.D > Documentation is not very explicit, or else I don't have the right > documentation   H Check out the ACMEUTIL example program in SYS$EXAMPLES. It supports bothK dialogue (prompting)  and non-dialogue mode operation. The /TRACE qualifier I is a useful tool to observe how an application interacts with SYS$ACM and  the ACME subsystem.   : After compiling and linking ACMEUTIL, you use it this way:  F $ @sys$examples:acmeutil_setup !See DCL syntax description in comments1 $ acme auth/dial=(input,noecho)/log=network/trace   C The ACME subsystem is currently described in the following manuals:   E System Services Reference Manual, A-GETUAI (you've already seen this) H Programming Concepts Manual, chapter 33 (also, there's a glossary in the back) J Guide to System Security, section 7.4.7 (overview and management controls)  E Please send us any feedback or suggestions that will help improve the  documentation.   Regards,  
 Rick Barry OpenVMS System Software Group  Hewlett Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:12:53 +0400 & From: Valentin Likoum <me@privacy.net> Subject: Re: Dumping LAT( Message-ID: <3E5B6BD5.90202@privacy.net>   Dirk Munk wrote:I > Lat has some distinct advantages over Telnet when using it with dialin  J > connections on Decservers. You have full control over the modem signals J > etc., because the Decserver ports effectively function as remote serial H > ports on the Alpha/Vax. Read the terminal driver manual, and you will  > see what I mean. >  [snip]      Been there, seen it.   & "5.4.5.2 Read Modem Function Modifier:  0 For LAT devices, the receive modem field of the : IO$M_RD_MODEM function modifier DOES NOT return any valid  modem signal data."  (uppercase is mine)   5    Or you mean another function? Have you managed to  8 sense/control modem signals on Decserver port via plain  vanilla QIO? I have not.8    Of course one could setup decserver port with signal 7 control enabled and this port will drop all the output    signals after remote disconnect ; (IO$_TTY_PORT|IO$M_LT_DISCON). But this technics will work  : either for LAT and TELNET. So LAT doesn't offer something  special here, IMHO.    --  
 Best regards, 
   Valentin)   valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru    ------------------------------   Date: 25 FEB 2003 15:37:31 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: Dumping LAT6 Message-ID: <25FEB03.15373102@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  I In a previous article, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote:   b ->"Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message news:<b3ds57$1lg9d2$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>...P ->> Of course DNPG is a good source for new equipment. But it is the only sourceF ->> left and again, 24x7 shops tend to frown upon one single supplier. ->  G ->That's an interesting comment in light of the "Buy Only Cisco" policy 5 ->in place in network groups at many large sites. :-)   G Including large Universities such as this one that have recently become  a "Cicso campus".    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 3 --                karcher.nospam@waisman.wisc.edu      ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:28:38 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> Subject: Re: Dumping LAT8 Message-ID: <19dn5v05fjsfk3rgum3rocl5dcrgcp6bge@4ax.com>  K On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:28:10 -0500, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote:   I >One of the things I like about LAT is that you can reconnect to dropped  G >SET HOST /LAT sessions.  I don't think you can do that with TELNET or   >RLOGIN or even CTERM, can you?   P You can do that with TELNET, at least with UCX and TCP/IP SERVICES. We use it onB our systems here. I believe that (at least) MultiNet also supports disconnectable terminals.     I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:43:09 -0800 7 From: David Spencer <spencer@spaamfree.pageweavers.com> 4 Subject: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?)B Message-ID: <240220032243093224%spencer@spaamfree.pageweavers.com>  [ I'd like to install a DVD reader in my 500au. I don't want to write DVDs. I just want to be T able to read them when written in ISO9660 format. The reader could be either SCSI orW IDE - my PWS will handle either. It would also be nice, but not manditory, that I could 8 toss my OpenVMS CD in there and be able to boot from it.  V Anybody know of a DVD drive that will do this? Yes, I have checked the Usenet archivesW and checked the OpenVMS FAQ; the discussion on DVD is heavily slanted toward being able 4 to write them. I'm more than satisfied with DVD-ROM.   Thanks much in advance,      -- Dave Spencer, PageWeavers   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:48:29 GMT / From: "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com> 8 Subject: Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?)8 Message-ID: <hdF6a.68$Aa4.31@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>  : "David Spencer" <spencer@spaamfree.pageweavers.com> wrote:K > I'd like to install a DVD reader in my 500au. I don't want to write DVDs.  I justI > want to be able to read them when written in ISO9660 format. The reader : > could be either SCSI or IDE - my PWS will handle either.  J The Toshiba drives should be pretty safe.  I don't have a dvd installed inK any of mine at the moment but am pretty sure I've used my SD-M1402 (IDE) in 	 the past.   8 > It would also be nice, but not manditory, that I could: > toss my OpenVMS CD in there and be able to boot from it.  D If your workstation has the Cypress IDE controller then it should be1 bootable, otherwise you'll want the SCSI version.    James    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 09:51:44 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) 8 Subject: Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?)- Message-ID: <3e5b2ea0$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   H In article <240220032243093224%spencer@spaamfree.pageweavers.com>, David3 Spencer <spencer@spaamfree.pageweavers.com> writes: K |>I'd like to install a DVD reader in my 500au. I don't want to write DVDs.  |>I just want to be G |>able to read them when written in ISO9660 format. The reader could be  |>either SCSI orA |>IDE - my PWS will handle either. It would also be nice, but not  |>manditory, that I could : |>toss my OpenVMS CD in there and be able to boot from it. |>H |>Anybody know of a DVD drive that will do this? Yes, I have checked the |>Usenet archives G |>and checked the OpenVMS FAQ; the discussion on DVD is heavily slanted  |>toward being able 6 |>to write them. I'm more than satisfied with DVD-ROM. |> |>Thanks much in advance,  |> |> |>-- Dave Spencer, PageWeavers |>   Dave,   I hp sells a DVD-drive, that is supported by OpenVMS. It is a IDE-drive and  my= experience is, that almost all modern IDE-DVD-drives do work.   E I have tried to use a SCSI-DVD-ROM drive (Pioneer U03-S). It read and  boots G the VMS cdrom but is unable to read a DVD. If you want to read data you  mustI install Glenn Everhart's zrdriver+zridehost. The reason for this: as soon  as a DVDI is been inserted the drive switches to 2048 Byte per I/O, because this is 
 needed for the "standard" UDF-filesystem.  J Hope you know that a ISO-filesystem has a 2 GB limit for a single file, so" it not ideal for exchange of data.   eberhard   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 06:15:27 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?)3 Message-ID: <JkcWzaggxzV6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <3e5b2ea0$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>, vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes:   L > Hope you know that a ISO-filesystem has a 2 GB limit for a single file, so$ > it not ideal for exchange of data.   Where do you see that limit ?   A ISO-9660 certainly has a limit about that size for _extents_, but A unlike certain Unix platforms, the VMS implementation of ISO-9660 H did not skip the part of the ISO-9660 about supporting multiple extents.  D While I have not tested larger than 2 GB files on ISO-9660 with VMS,B I have certainly tested multiple-extent ISO-9660 files (as part ofB testing ISO-9660 volume sets) on VMS and handling multiple extents presented no problem.   B The number of extents allowed on an ISO-9660 volume is effectivelyC unlimited since their numbering is implicit.  You can keep creating B extent pointers consume so much space there is none left for data.E Since 512 bytes of extent pointer can cover 2 GB of extent data, that  should not be a problem.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:50:37 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)8 Subject: Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?)L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2502030750370001@user-uinj4k9.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <240220032243093224%spencer@spaamfree.pageweavers.com>, David2 Spencer <spencer@spaamfree.pageweavers.com> wrote:  J >I'd like to install a DVD reader in my 500au. I don't want to write DVDs. I just want to be F >able to read them when written in ISO9660 format. The reader could be either SCSI or@ >IDE - my PWS will handle either. It would also be nice, but not manditory, that I could 9 >toss my OpenVMS CD in there and be able to boot from it.  > G >Anybody know of a DVD drive that will do this? Yes, I have checked the  Usenet archives F >and checked the OpenVMS FAQ; the discussion on DVD is heavily slanted toward being able 5 >to write them. I'm more than satisfied with DVD-ROM.     G Alphaserver ES45 ships with a DVD-ROM drive that VMS supports.  Look at J the quickspecs.  In the quickspecs I saved last summer, the part number isG 3X-PBXRV-BA.  The current document doesn't have the part number listed; < they've probably changed suppliers at least once since them.  H I know that many of the CD and DVD drives get firmware fixes before theyC go into alphaservers.  The bare OEM drives may not behave properly, I depending on the system environment.  And of course none of the new stuff ( is tested in a 500au, but it might work.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 10:06:03 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?)3 Message-ID: <vcGN7DAKQ4u7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <3e5b9291$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>, vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes:  > K > In article <JkcWzaggxzV6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  > (Larry Kilgallen) writes: 1 > |>In article <3e5b2ea0$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>, I > |>vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes:  > |>M > |>> Hope you know that a ISO-filesystem has a 2 GB limit for a single file,  > |>so( > |>> it not ideal for exchange of data. > |>! > |>Where do you see that limit ?  > |>E > |>ISO-9660 certainly has a limit about that size for _extents_, but E > |>unlike certain Unix platforms, the VMS implementation of ISO-9660 L > |>did not skip the part of the ISO-9660 about supporting multiple extents. > |>H > |>While I have not tested larger than 2 GB files on ISO-9660 with VMS,F > |>I have certainly tested multiple-extent ISO-9660 files (as part ofF > |>testing ISO-9660 volume sets) on VMS and handling multiple extents > |>presented no problem.  > |>F > |>The number of extents allowed on an ISO-9660 volume is effectivelyG > |>unlimited since their numbering is implicit.  You can keep creating F > |>extent pointers consume so much space there is none left for data.I > |>Since 512 bytes of extent pointer can cover 2 GB of extent data, that  > |>should not be a problem. > |> > C > Your completely right with your statement. I mixed up two things: ) > it can't be done and it makes problems.   > Ah, but it has problems on non-VMS operating systems, which isA true for a lot of things we discuss here, such as trashing disks,  preventing breakins, etc.  :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 16:58:09 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) 8 Subject: Re: DVD readers that could also boot VMS CDs(?)- Message-ID: <3e5b9291$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   I In article <JkcWzaggxzV6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  (Larry Kilgallen) writes: / |>In article <3e5b2ea0$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>, G |>vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes:  |>K |>> Hope you know that a ISO-filesystem has a 2 GB limit for a single file,  |>so& |>> it not ideal for exchange of data. |> |>Where do you see that limit ?  |>C |>ISO-9660 certainly has a limit about that size for _extents_, but C |>unlike certain Unix platforms, the VMS implementation of ISO-9660 J |>did not skip the part of the ISO-9660 about supporting multiple extents. |>F |>While I have not tested larger than 2 GB files on ISO-9660 with VMS,D |>I have certainly tested multiple-extent ISO-9660 files (as part ofD |>testing ISO-9660 volume sets) on VMS and handling multiple extents |>presented no problem.  |>D |>The number of extents allowed on an ISO-9660 volume is effectivelyE |>unlimited since their numbering is implicit.  You can keep creating D |>extent pointers consume so much space there is none left for data.G |>Since 512 bytes of extent pointer can cover 2 GB of extent data, that  |>should not be a problem. |>  A Your completely right with your statement. I mixed up two things: ' it can't be done and it makes problems.    eberhard   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 07:11:23 -0800* From: d_cymbal@hotmail.com (Damien Cymbal)> Subject: Entering into the world of OpenVMS administration....= Message-ID: <1b0eb888.0302250711.5eb9d2d8@posting.google.com>   
 Hello All,  B I got my OpenVMS 7.3 for VAX Hobbyist CD yesterday in the mail was6 able to get it installed and running on simh.  Hurrah!  F The bitter reality has now set in that in my years of utilizing VMS atE the university, I was just a plain-old-user and I never had to act in $ any sort of administrative capacity.  B I have downloaded a bunch of the openvms doc files which I will be: digging into as time permits, but I wonder is there a niceD synopsis/tutorial of "what you need to know now for new admins" that" summarizes things at a high level?  ? Initially I am most interested in getting TCP/IP setup and then E installing most of the layered product development language tools.  I F basically want to play around with some old VMS code (PASCAL, FORTRAN,E MACRO/32) I had written for my own amusement.  I don't foresee myself D doing anything too "heavy" with the system from an admin standpoint.   Thanks for any pointers.  D P.S.  Any recommendations for the easiest way of getting source codeC files off my PC and into the emulator?  Get TCP/IP running and then  ftp them?  Some other trick?   dc   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:38:33 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> B Subject: Re: Entering into the world of OpenVMS administration....; Message-ID: <01KSV0CBLYZI9GVT85@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   D > I have downloaded a bunch of the openvms doc files which I will be< > digging into as time permits, but I wonder is there a niceF > synopsis/tutorial of "what you need to know now for new admins" that$ > summarizes things at a high level?  A The System Manager's Manual, Volume 1: Essentials.  (Part of the  7 standard documentation set, also available on the web.)   7 Initially I am most interested in getting TCP/IP setup    
 See below.  F > and then installing most of the layered product development language	 > tools.    G This is really straightforward.  Since I don't have the hobbyist MEDIA  C at home (I do have a hobbyist LICENSE on my hobbyist systems), but  I borrowed the real quarterly distribution, things might be different, but  C on the quartely distribution there is a nice installation menu for   layered products.   C With TCPIP, while the basics are in the documentation, there are a   couple of caveats.  G First, you might have more problems with your local configuration (what > is the name of the DNS server I should use? etc) than problemsG installing the stuff per se.  Second, the syntax is a bit inconsistent. G (For example, SET sets a value.  So far, so good.  Sometimes it changes C a value in a disk file (SET HOST).  Sometimes it changes a value in G memory (e.g. SET ROUTE).  In such cases, to change the permanent value, A there is a /PERMANENT qualifier (e.g. SET ROUTE).  In some cases, D however, instead of SET/PERMANENT one does SET CONFIGURATION for theD permanents stuff (.e.g. SET INTERFACE).  To make it more confusing, + there is SET CONFIG SMTP, but no SET SMTP.)   J > I basically want to play around with some old VMS code (PASCAL, FORTRAN,G > MACRO/32) I had written for my own amusement.  I don't foresee myself G > doing anything too "heavy" with the system from an admin standpoint.    A No problem.  I would recommend at least three accounts: a normal, F non-priviledged user account, the SYSTEM account, and an account with H normal privs (+ OPER and perhaps READALL) by default but with SYSPRIV.  H (Disallow network access for SYSTEM and perhaps for the SETPRV account.)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:27:28 GMT 7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) B Subject: Re: Entering into the world of OpenVMS administration..... Message-ID: <AXL6a.259192$be.241833@rwcrnsc53>  j In article <1b0eb888.0302250711.5eb9d2d8@posting.google.com>, d_cymbal@hotmail.com (Damien Cymbal) writes: >Hello All,  > C >I got my OpenVMS 7.3 for VAX Hobbyist CD yesterday in the mail was 7 >able to get it installed and running on simh.  Hurrah!  > G >The bitter reality has now set in that in my years of utilizing VMS at F >the university, I was just a plain-old-user and I never had to act in% >any sort of administrative capacity.  > C >I have downloaded a bunch of the openvms doc files which I will be ; >digging into as time permits, but I wonder is there a nice E >synopsis/tutorial of "what you need to know now for new admins" that # >summarizes things at a high level?   
 Hi Damien,  K This question has been asked before in this newsgroup.  You might find this  tutorial interesting:   0 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wbt/pc/welcome.htm  L Google carries an archive of this NG, where you may find the answers to some of your questions.  " Another great resource is the FAQ:  5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html    Good luck, and welcome back!   <snip> >dc   A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 02:21:45 -0800% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) A Subject: External Authentication and Windows2000 Active Directory < Message-ID: <a98cd882.0302250221.a4f78ef@posting.google.com>   Hello,  D Is anyone using External Authentication from OpenVMS V7.3 / AdvancedE Server V7.3 to a Windows2000 Active Directory domain? Advanced Server C has it's own domain and has a /TRUSTED relation with the AD domain.   C I think I have set everything according to the documentation, but I 8 keep getting "%LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user" errors.  : It does work when I try it with another OpenVMS/AS domain.   Has anybody any suggestions?   Thanks in advance,  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 06:18:18 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: Re: External Authentication and Windows2000 Active Directory 3 Message-ID: <Ku5vH43sgCuc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <a98cd882.0302250221.a4f78ef@posting.google.com>, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes: > Hello, > F > Is anyone using External Authentication from OpenVMS V7.3 / AdvancedG > Server V7.3 to a Windows2000 Active Directory domain? Advanced Server E > has it's own domain and has a /TRUSTED relation with the AD domain.  > E > I think I have set everything according to the documentation, but I : > keep getting "%LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user" errors. > < > It does work when I try it with another OpenVMS/AS domain. >  > Has anybody any suggestions?  F 1. Are you surely running Windows 2000 in a "backward compatibility to    earlier windows" mode ?  3 2. Only a fool would accept Windows advice from me.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 04:30:29 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: FLIGHT has met its match . Message-ID: <3E5B297C.8AF9057@vl.videotron.ca>   http://www.flightgear.org/  J The above proves how far back VMS has fallen behind Linux and how Linux isB truly way ahead of VMS in all the features important to grown men.   :-) :-) :-)   N I think that updates to FLIGHT should get higher priority than adding some new4 cluster interconnect that will benefit no hobbyists.   :-) :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:11:56 GMT + From: "P.Lj" <plj@NOSPAMbyron.ext.telia.se> % Subject: Re: FLIGHT has met its match 4 Message-ID: <0cI6a.12189$FF4.632930@newsb.telia.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > http://www.flightgear.org/ > L > The above proves how far back VMS has fallen behind Linux and how Linux isD > truly way ahead of VMS in all the features important to grown men. > 
 > :-) :-) :-)  > P > I think that updates to FLIGHT should get higher priority than adding some new6 > cluster interconnect that will benefit no hobbyists. > 	 > :-) :-)   F I've been struggling with it's libraries (C++), trying to port them...   /P.Lj    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:12:50 +0400 & From: Valentin Likoum <me@privacy.net># Subject: Re: Frequent_job.log;32767 * Message-ID: <3E5B4FB2.5070800@privacy.net>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Valentin Likoum wrote: >  >>Hello all, >>? >>  We have a couple of frequent (every 5 min) batch jobs which G >>eventually create log file with version 32767 and can't run any more. G >>Finally I found a solution - figure out which log file we are writing D >>to; if version > 32000 then resubmit job to log file with modifiedC >>name; if we are already writing to modified log file, then rename A >>original log files to 1,2,3.. versions and resubmit itself with F >>original log file name. But this solution is 30 lines long. Is there >>something more elegant?  >  > + > Well, Chris Sharman's idea is a good one.  >  > Another I could think of:  > 4 > $ PURGE log_filespec/KEEP=120	! Keep a day's worth( > $ RENAME log_filespec;* temp_filespec;( > $ RENAME temp_filespec;* log_filespec; > H > That's only three lines. I've not tested that for your case, but I use5 > that strategy for other purposes very successfully.  >   :    Shame on me! I just discovered I can rename opened log ; file (I thought I couldn't), so my code has been truncated  < to 15 lines and now considered as elegant :). Thanks to all.   --  
 Best regards, 
   Valentin)   valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 09:17:12 -0800& From: otto.kolbe@klst.com (Otto Kolbe), Subject: ftp server gets disabled at startup= Message-ID: <c9ab8878.0302250917.2766e491@posting.google.com>   E I am running VMS 7.3-1 with TCPIP V5.3 - ECO 1. Strange things happen < during boot: the ftp server starts up, only to get disabled.   tcpip enable service ftp) does not complain but leaves it disabled. ; The setup via tcpip$config is ok, nothing special about it.   F The procedure to fire up the ftp server TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$FTP_RUN.COM works fine on a console.  8 What can be wrong - I find nothing in the documentation.   This is from the Operator.log:  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  24-FEB-2003 15:35:33.92  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on FRZAXP  INTERnet ACP Activate FTP Server  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  24-FEB-2003 15:35:33.92  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on FRZAXP= INTERnet ACP NOLISTEN Process creation success: Service - FTP   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  24-FEB-2003 15:35:33.99  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on FRZAXPP INTERnet ACP Error during process startup, Nolisten Service Disabled - FTP Serv   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  24-FEB-2003 15:35:33.99  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on FRZAXP" INTERnet ACP Deactivate FTP Server    Any help or hint is appreciated.   ------------------------------  ) Date: Tuesday, 25 Feb 2003 01:26:43 -0600  From: dial911info@yahoo.com 9 Subject: Giving over $37,000 to use their products! 69506 % Message-ID: <25020301.2643@yahoo.com>   K Invest Less than $700 and will make nearly $9000 in one year! No selling at " all PERIOD to make nearly $9000!     Make only 2 sales of less than $700 in 8 months with no more selling EVER AGAIN and do nothing else AT ALL to make almost $40,000 in one year. This opportunity is 100% legal in ALL states and in 183 countries worldwide.    No gimmicks. No inventory. Well-grounded and proven company. Everyone gets paid! All checks are GOOD and received on time. Available in 138 countries. Email me now for info.          dial911info@yahoo.com               R+Ff0    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 05:51:55 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: Googlism for OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <LOQiG7h5TUYO@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <00A1BFBC.059C17D1@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: e > In article <l5Z+523J8MTz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   K >>The phrase "Googlism for OpenVMS" meant nothing to me, and that situation F >>has not been rectified by any cogent explanation of the phrase here. > 
 > Here's one:  > N > The Googlism site does a Google lookup for the word or phrase passed in the M > URL with " is" appended to the end, then gathers up the line which made the # > search engine bring up that page.  > % > So his Googlisms for OpenVMS meant:  > A > Here's what you get when you do a google search for the phrase   > "OpenVMS is" > 1 > And you get a list of stuff, which started with  >  > OpenVMS is dead. > OpenVMS is alive and kicking.  >  > and so on.   Thank you, Alan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:10:46 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> ! Subject: Re: Googlism for OpenVMS $ Message-ID: <3e5b9574$1@news.si.com>  2 >Why not use Mozilla instead?  It runs on OpenVMS.  K Funny, it sure won't run on my OpenVMS VAX system.  Oh.  I guess you didn't  say what you really meant. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 10:26:10 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: Googlism for OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <HkKgK9dQejtD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3e5b9574$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:3 >>Why not use Mozilla instead?  It runs on OpenVMS.  > M > Funny, it sure won't run on my OpenVMS VAX system.  Oh.  I guess you didn't  > say what you really meant.  5 Perhaps he meant to say it _crawls_ on OpenVMS Alpha.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:45:43 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Help. BIND Problem / Message-ID: <3E5B02ED.43D9BB11@vl.videotron.ca>    Don Sykes wrote: > I > Never mind. After a lot of paniky fumbling. I got things working again. G > Although I stll don't know what file BIND was looking for. I wound up N > going to trusty old SYS$        MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG and redoing everything.G > I just wish the whole NAME/ROUTING stuff was easier to understand and 	 > manage.   J Once you dump the TCPIP> configuration for BIND and go with the "standard"H unix style configuration, then it becomes easier to debug. The log filesL provide the messages when it tries to parse the files and you need not worry3 about the CONVERT/UNIX  stuff in the TCPIP Utility.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:04:26 +0000 (UTC) . From: John Forkosh <john@SeeSigForAddress.com>' Subject: Re: Hobbyist CD not recognized , Message-ID: <b3fpkq$ck7$1@reader1.panix.com>  # Steve Young <steve@well.com> wrote:  <<snip>>N :   DKA500   A/5/0     RODISK      ......       RM      WP    CD-ROM      2403N :   DKA501   A/5/1     RODISK      ......       RM      WP    CD-ROM      2403N :   DKA502   A/5/2     RODISK      ......       RM      WP    CD-ROM      2403N :   DKA503   A/5/3     RODISK      ......       RM      WP    CD-ROM      2403N :   DKA504   A/5/4     RODISK      ......       RM      WP    CD-ROM      2403N :   DKA505   A/5/5     RODISK      ......       RM      WP    CD-ROM      2403  E Am I mistaken, or are all these extra lines after DKA500 a bad thing? B Maybe I'm remembering something else, but I seem to recall exactlyB the same symptom (these extra lines) on  show dev  for an external? hard drive that wouldn't mount properly.  Fixed that problem by @ replacing passive scsi terminator with an active one.  Note thatA external scsi cable was only 18 inches or so, but it still seemed @ to matter.  I also seem to recall that passive terminator worked@ okay with VS4000/60, but failed with VLC.  Nowadays, I've tossed all the passive terminators. --  > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 08:38:43 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) U Subject: Re: HP World 2003 (was Heads Up - Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical  Bootcamp) = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0302250838.282d3db9@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E5AE18C.47055C5E@fsi.net>...@ > Still no mention of VMS - where it is needed (content area for > submissions).   & Some relevant excerpts from the FAQ at> http://www.encompassus.org/events/HPWorld2003/hpeventfaq.html:  4 "Watch this page for more information. Contact us atD mailto:information@encompassus.org to be immediately notified of any	 updates."   = "4. How will conference content be developed? Who can submit?   C As in the past, there will be a call for participation process that F will be announced shortly. Technical, in-depth and "how to" topics areD recommended.  User presentations are also encouraged. If you want toF be part of a panel discussion on a topic there are also opportunities.F These sessions, along with sessions that have already been selected byA Interex, will be reviewed by the "Content Team" and evaluated for ! customer interest and direction."   F "As with previous events, we are looking for your expertise and ideas!A If you are interested in supporting the development of conference = sessions, please contact our Executive Director, Carol McGury @ (mailto:carol.mcgury@encompassus.org). Committees and volunteersC assignments will be made shortly so join our team of volunteers and $ bring us your customer perspective!"  6 I think you'd be an excellent fit in this role, David.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 06:02:46 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) G Subject: Re: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and Expo 3 Message-ID: <tBUxfE0bfSpa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3E5AEC3E.F006358F@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:   I > In the submissions area, item 3, "Content area" still lacks any mention 
 > of OpenVMS.   J If there were, would you complain that the decision had been "kept secret"J while they fussed with web pages ?  Personally I would rather have advance* notice to investigate travel arrangements.  E This seems to have been explained on DECUServe, but of course reading 9 DECUServe one misses out on all the political backbiting.   N > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------N > Note 601.8   HP World 2003 Solutions & Technology Conference & Expo   8 of 9N > EISNER::PARRIS "Keith"                            8 lines  24-FEB-2003 16:09N > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------J > If you visit http://www.interex.org and click on Conferences at the top,$ > you'll see the HP World 2003 info. > N > Be aware that they haven't yet had time to update the content to reflect the3 > integrated-event decision, so please be patient.     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:00:16 -0500 = From: "HP World Conf & Expo - Encompass" <KilleenJ@toast.net> G Subject: Re: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and Expo / Message-ID: <v5n1a41ec1l02c@corp.supernews.com>   1 The current web site reflects the "old" HP World.   J Expect changes soon - including a CFP process that reflects the new world.     --   Jeff Killeen   All Info: http://www.Killeen.cc   ? ---------------------------------------------------------------   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E5AEC3E.F006358F@fsi.net...  > HP-ETS 2003 wrote: > > B > > http://www.encompassus.org/events/hpworld2003/hpworld2003.html > > J > > Realize The Power of Your HP Computing Investment in a Brand New WorldK > > The new HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo is not  onlyL > > the largest annual gathering of IT professionals employing HP solutions,K > > services and technologies, it's now the most comprehensive. Produced by  the J > > Encompass and Interex user groups in partnership with HP, the five-dayJ > > conference delivers training seminars, tutorials and sessions, panels,G > > networking opportunities and an exposition covering the breadth and  depth of > > the expanded HP portfolio.L > > HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo will take placeJ > > August 11-15, 2003, in Atlanta, Georgia. The event will bring together the I > > consolidated resources, experience and collective knowledge of HP and  its K > > official user communities to deliver the best training, peer networking  and D > > new product showcase available to HP customers. In light of thisK > > consolidation, HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo  willG > > replace the traditional Encompass-sponsored HP Enterprise Technical  > > Symposium (HP-ETS).  > I > In the submissions area, item 3, "Content area" still lacks any mention 
 > of OpenVMS.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:13:17 -0600 * From: "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@core.com>G Subject: Re: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and Expo / Message-ID: <v5n91jj9u5pkb4@corp.supernews.com>   G I sent notes to several today at high places at hp and Encompass on the + issue of VMS MIA on the hpworld 2003 pages.    -- Dave...   H Such is the human race.  Often it does seem such a pity that Noah didn't miss the boat. -----Mark Twain   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E5AEC3E.F006358F@fsi.net...  > HP-ETS 2003 wrote: > > B > > http://www.encompassus.org/events/hpworld2003/hpworld2003.html > > J > > Realize The Power of Your HP Computing Investment in a Brand New WorldK > > The new HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo is not  onlyL > > the largest annual gathering of IT professionals employing HP solutions,K > > services and technologies, it's now the most comprehensive. Produced by  the J > > Encompass and Interex user groups in partnership with HP, the five-dayJ > > conference delivers training seminars, tutorials and sessions, panels,G > > networking opportunities and an exposition covering the breadth and  depth of > > the expanded HP portfolio.L > > HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo will take placeJ > > August 11-15, 2003, in Atlanta, Georgia. The event will bring together the I > > consolidated resources, experience and collective knowledge of HP and  its K > > official user communities to deliver the best training, peer networking  and D > > new product showcase available to HP customers. In light of thisK > > consolidation, HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo  willG > > replace the traditional Encompass-sponsored HP Enterprise Technical  > > Symposium (HP-ETS).  > I > In the submissions area, item 3, "Content area" still lacks any mention 
 > of OpenVMS.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:18:31 -0600 * From: "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@core.com>G Subject: Re: HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference and Expo / Message-ID: <v5n9b9opid3862@corp.supernews.com>   J Too bad this couldn't have been the "new" HP World from day 1, or whenever' Interex and Encompass merged the event. G When people heard the news, they went to the web page and found several % items missing, VMS being one of them. L I know its tough getting all the ducks in order, but often times it seems to& be the same story over and over again. -- Dave...   H Such is the human race.  Often it does seem such a pity that Noah didn't miss the boat. -----Mark Twain   H "HP World Conf & Expo - Encompass" <KilleenJ@toast.net> wrote in message) news:v5n1a41ec1l02c@corp.supernews.com... 3 > The current web site reflects the "old" HP World.  > L > Expect changes soon - including a CFP process that reflects the new world. >  >  > -- >  > Jeff Killeen > ! > All Info: http://www.Killeen.cc  > A > ---------------------------------------------------------------  > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3E5AEC3E.F006358F@fsi.net...  > > HP-ETS 2003 wrote: > > > D > > > http://www.encompassus.org/events/hpworld2003/hpworld2003.html > > > L > > > Realize The Power of Your HP Computing Investment in a Brand New WorldI > > > The new HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo is  not  > onlyC > > > the largest annual gathering of IT professionals employing HP 
 solutions,J > > > services and technologies, it's now the most comprehensive. Produced by > the L > > > Encompass and Interex user groups in partnership with HP, the five-dayL > > > conference delivers training seminars, tutorials and sessions, panels,I > > > networking opportunities and an exposition covering the breadth and 
 > depth of  > > > the expanded HP portfolio.H > > > HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo will take place L > > > August 11-15, 2003, in Atlanta, Georgia. The event will bring together > the K > > > consolidated resources, experience and collective knowledge of HP and  > its B > > > official user communities to deliver the best training, peer
 networking > and F > > > new product showcase available to HP customers. In light of thisH > > > consolidation, HP World 2003 Solutions and Technology Conference & Expo > willI > > > replace the traditional Encompass-sponsored HP Enterprise Technical  > > > Symposium (HP-ETS).  > > K > > In the submissions area, item 3, "Content area" still lacks any mention  > > of OpenVMS.  > >  > > -- > > David J. Dachtera  > > dba DJE Systems  > > http://www.djesys.com/ > > , > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:01:56 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>Y Subject: Re: HSxx shadowing/striping vis a vis hardware RAID - was RE: Volume set  across 3 Message-ID: <xwE6a.38446$I6.5940502@zwoll1.home.nl>    Wil Marsh wrote:[ > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3E59EFC6.4BE73A43@127.0.0.1>...  >  >>Daniel Allen wrote:  >>S >>>        Your comment caught my eye and led me to ask myself "how does VMS (HSxx) Q >>>        volume shadowing and striping compare (performance/price/feature) with K >>>        current hardware commodity RAID offerings?". I haven't had a VMS O >>>        cluster with HS disks in a LONG time so I'm not current with today's S >>>        state of the art. If I understand your comment, you are suggesting using Q >>>        HS based striping (RAID 0) and mirroring (RAID 1) to get big redundant P >>>        volumes. What is the advantage of that config to a commodity RAID boxR >>>        setup for RAID 0/1?. I've been sort of under the impression that modernI >>>        HS controllers where basically cluster aware RAID controllers.  >>1 >>Most of the points have already been made, i.e.  >>D >>No controllers currently are capable of mirroring at the operatingF >>system data presentation layer, therefore eliminating the controllerI >>itself as the SPOF. The operating system than can create and control it I >>mirror within the constraints of its environment, currently 200 miles I 
 >>believe. >>D >>There is another factor not considered here, because the operatingD >>system has control, so does the system manager, and ultimately the >>application. >>G >>Consider again (because its already been discussed) that write I/O in I >>flight at time of failure. How does the operating system, and therefore J >>the application know it has completed successfully? Does it care? How isH >>a mirrorset which has partially complete data on BOTH members recreateJ >>itself best it can? (merge), on what criteria is the data selection madeF >>for the 'current' presentation, do you have the ability to literallyD >>move data from controller to controller, device to device, totally( >>transparently to the operating system? >> >>Shadows and mirrors. >>& >>Time for a book of shadows methinks! >  > E > I believe the write in flight issue is mute with HBVS as the I/O is F > not complete until the shadow copy is updated, that is the reason we; > have not tried longer distance clusters with shadow sets.  > C > We use Host Based Raid 0 for speed and Host Based Shadow Sets for D > redunancy between NI connected CI Clusters. We are able to get 7k+H > random I/O per second on a Host Based Raid 0, spead across 6 CI rails,7 > to mirrorred Solid State Drives with HSJ controllers.  > F > In test with HSG80 controllers, controller based raid 0 with 10k rpm= > disk the best we have managed is 4k+ random I/O per second.   O How many disks did you use ? The performance of random IO depends very much on  P the number of physical disks in use, and far less on the computing power of the M raid controller. Furthermore I would never use bare raid 0 sets, but instead  P always raid 0+1 sets. They double the read performance of the raid set, and you : have automatic disk replacement in case of a disk failure.  P We have a fibrechannel cluster setup over a distance of 2.5 miles, and it works K fine. We use raid 0+1 sets in the HSG80 and HBVS to shadow over both HSG80  P cabinets. Of course you need to use all appropiate settings on the HSG80 and in Q VMS to get it running fast. For instance setting writeback cache enabled and the  Q maximum cached transfer size to 256 on the HSG80 will cause all write actions to  O be in cache, and it will increase speed dramaticaly. On VMS look at the device  : /site settings, you need them too for maximum performance.     > D > We are using HBVS with the HSG80s to provide the same redunancy we > have with the  > CI disks.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:22:51 GMT  From: "Dave" <dave@black.com>  Subject: I feel that might help : Message-ID: <vLM6a.43339$F%.2159812@twister.austin.rr.com>  * WE MUST COME TOGETHER AND TAKE THESE SITES OFF THE INTERNET!    NO NAZI  NO WHITE POWER NO HATE    http://www.nazichess.com http://www.kkk.org" http://www.twelvearyannations.com/ http://www.naawp.com/ ! http://www.americannaziparty.com/ # http://www.unitedskins.com/home.htm   / Hit them wit letters telling them we don't need  nor want them!    Fill their mail boxes with junk!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 04:22:18 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>= Subject: Kermit buglet, spurriuous LFs in LOG SESSION (tcpip) / Message-ID: <3E5B2792.5AEC91EE@vl.videotron.ca>   3 Kermit 7.0.196 beta 11+,  VAX, 7.2,  TCPIP/UCX  5.3    SET NET TCP  SET HOST MYROUTER:23 LOG SESSION mysession.LOG  <various commands> EXIT    J The MYSESSION.LOG file is created as a STREAM file. The result is that theM life feed which follows the CR coming from the router is stored at the end of 
 each line.  J One has to do a SET FILE MYSESSION.LOG/ATTRIB=(RFM=STMLF) after the kermit, session to make the file "clean" and usable.  J Is there a way around this ? Since I don't use the TELNET command, the SET2 TELNET NEWLINE-MODE command doesn't seem to apply.  . Has that been fixed in a more recent version ?  L It isn't a huge deal, but it took me a while to go through the kermit manualU to see if there would be a command to filter out the LF characters, but to no avail).    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 10:06:31 -0500& From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)A Subject: Re: Kermit buglet, spurriuous LFs in LOG SESSION (tcpip) 1 Message-ID: <b3g0pn$dj3$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>   / In article <3E5B2792.5AEC91EE@vl.videotron.ca>, 2 JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:5 : Kermit 7.0.196 beta 11+,  VAX, 7.2,  TCPIP/UCX  5.3  :  The current version is 8.0:   -   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html   
 : SET NET TCP  : SET HOST MYROUTER:23 : LOG SESSION mysession.LOG  : <various commands> : EXIT : L : The MYSESSION.LOG file is created as a STREAM file. The result is that theO : life feed which follows the CR coming from the router is stored at the end of  : each line. : J The session log contains exactly the characters that came from the router.  L : One has to do a SET FILE MYSESSION.LOG/ATTRIB=(RFM=STMLF) after the kermit. : session to make the file "clean" and usable. : L : Is there a way around this ? Since I don't use the TELNET command, the SET4 : TELNET NEWLINE-MODE command doesn't seem to apply. : E Actually you are using Telnet since you chose port 23, but SET TELNET H NEWLINE-MODE wouldn't affect logging -- it's for specifying how carriageJ returns are to be interpreted and sent (to be used in case the server does" not follow TELNET protocol rules).  0 : Has that been fixed in a more recent version ? : N : It isn't a huge deal, but it took me a while to go through the kermit manualL : to see if there would be a command to filter out the LF characters, but to : no avail). : = C-Kermit has a command SET SESSION-LOG { BINARY, TEXT, ...  }   J The code to support TEXT has never been filled in.  Given that the sessionJ log is created using CRTL calls (not RMS), what would you want TEXT format
 to look like?   I In Unix, it just strips CRs.  I imagine that would be appropriate for VMS  Stream_LF files too?   - Frank    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:25:54 GMT = From: peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) 8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!1 Message-ID: <3e5b8a4d.2162906@news.cable.ntl.com>   A On 24 Feb 2003 16:08:29 -0800, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)  wrote:  , >If you want to read his droolings ... click/ >why he is saying what he is saying is obvious, , >he's afraid of VMS now that it will soon be* >competing with his garbage os ... so what, >better way to try to kill it then trash the+ >platform it runs on ... this guy responded ( >once to one of my postings on the linux) >security board and it's obvious he knows * >very little about VMS ... except that now- >it threatens his little money making empire. ( >antoher Bill gates wannabe who hypes an+ >inferior product at wholesale prices until - >they suck enough suckers in, then lift their  >wallets from their pockets ...  > ) >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7966       C I use Linux and I'm sort of happy with it, though I do wonder if it E was not free and for example closed source would anyone bother to use  it.   C I know the Linux fans say how great it is though it seems a paradox E that it's so great they have to give it away for anyone to use it ???   , oh well what a strange world we live in.....   cheers,      Peter Watkinson % peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com  remove <nospam> to reply :-)   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:30:12 +0000 (UTC) - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) 8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!( Message-ID: <b3g264$j3s$1@pcls4.std.com>  = In article <d7791aa1.0302241608.176e9019@posting.google.com>, ) Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:   - > If you want to read his droolings ... click 0 > why he is saying what he is saying is obvious,- > he's afraid of VMS now that it will soon be + > competing with his garbage os ... so what - > better way to try to kill it then trash the , > platform it runs on ... this guy responded) > once to one of my postings on the linux * > security board and it's obvious he knows+ > very little about VMS ... except that now . > it threatens his little money making empire.) > antoher Bill gates wannabe who hypes an , > inferior product at wholesale prices until. > they suck enough suckers in, then lift their  > wallets from their pockets ... > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7966  A This is the funniest post I've read in /long/ time.  Kudos to Bob H for representing the lunatic fringe is such a way as only he is capable 	 of doing.   C Settling down a bit from my chuckle, I was a bit surprised to hear  E Linus slam Itanium to the extent that he did.  Given his following in D the world of Linux, it's likely that many people will, out of a sortD of respect, keep away from Itanium knowing that Linus had proclaimed= it unclean.  So not only have IBM has backed off their Linux  D development efforts for it, we're also seeing Linus (and I'd imagineC the other heavy kernel development hitters) weilding their crosses   against it.   @ Did you all read the ZDNet article which seems to have triggered Torvalds' response?   .   <http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-985432.html>  I I mean, wow.  All I could say after reading that was "wow."  Intel really H knows they've a dog of a processor on their hands.  The /entire/ article< is built upon excuses why 64-bit platforms are irrelevant!    C Now, personally, I agree with some of it.  I really don't think the I average tasks of the /average/ user will benefit from 64-bit computing.   > But then I'm very happily running on a MicroVAX 3100/20e or myI blisteringly fast 68030 NeXT cube.  I'd also probably say that most truly F useful desktop tasks could be done with a well designed 16-bit system. 32-bits is such overkill!    Times sure are interesting.    -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----H This counter is [6,177,399,753] times as pointless as a real one.  -- K.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:57:30 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!. Message-ID: <b3g3pa$5ql$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  t "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> writes in article <b3em9l$nfs$1@bob.news.rcn.net> dated Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:05:19 -0500: >  >My take on the GPL:K >Licensing of software is allowed.  Charging for it is allowed.  Caldera or M >SCO does it now.  The restriction is on the source code.  I may be wrong But 1 >I think you can even charge for the source code.   K I actually purchased an original copy of Caldera OpenLinux, so I'm familiar J with their terms.  The package you buy includes GNU and the sources, whichH is freely redistributable, and pair of Windoze packages called PartitionG Magic and Boot Magic, which are single-machine-licensed.  You only need 4 those if you're setting up your peecee to dual-boot.  K (That version of Partition Magic was crippled to make the smaller partition E a maximum of 1.6 GB, IIRC.  The GNU-based partitioning tools are much  better, and free.)  L Sure you can charge for GPL source code, but you're really only getting paidM for the medium because your first customer is free to copy and redistribute.  J I guess that opens the door for charging by the job.  For example, write aH GNU video editor, release the binaries for a secondary platform (such asF Alpha or PPC) on the net, and charge $10,000 for the source.  Once theA source is out there it will probably get built for the peecee and 7 distributed for free, but you have some cash out of it.   F >As such since most GPL software has freely available source code that: >compiles under GCC the binaries are typically given away.  H Both source and binaries are free if you have a friend with a copy.  :^)  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 09:50:50 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!3 Message-ID: <jefgx43l3q4B@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <b3g264$j3s$1@pcls4.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes:  + >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7966  > C > This is the funniest post I've read in /long/ time.  Kudos to Bob J > for representing the lunatic fringe is such a way as only he is capable  > of doing.  > E > Settling down a bit from my chuckle, I was a bit surprised to hear  G > Linus slam Itanium to the extent that he did.  Given his following in F > the world of Linux, it's likely that many people will, out of a sortF > of respect, keep away from Itanium knowing that Linus had proclaimed? > it unclean.  So not only have IBM has backed off their Linux  F > development efforts for it, we're also seeing Linus (and I'd imagineE > the other heavy kernel development hitters) weilding their crosses  
 > against it.  >   8 	If anyone had taken the time to read all the threads inC 	the kernel listing, you would have stumbled upon David Mosberger's > 	replies.  Replies of which, Linus has little or no comebacks.  
 	For example:   > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0302.2/1967.html    E  Linus> Last I saw P4 was kicking ia-64 butt on specint and friends.      E I don't think so. According to Intel [1], the highest clockfrequency  B for a 0.18um part is 2GHz (both for Xeon and P4, for Xeon MP it's F 1.5GHz). The highest reported SPECint for a 2GHz Xeon seems to be 701 ? [2]. In comparison, a 1GHz McKinley gets a SPECint of 810 [3].               --david     @ [1] http://www.intel.com/support/processors/xeon/corespeeds.htm  [2] O http://www.specbench.org/cpu2000/results/res2002q1/cpu2000-20020128-01232.html   [3] O http://www.specbench.org/cpu2000/results/res2002q3/cpu2000-20020711-01469.html     ---    	Another example:   > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0302.2/2020.html  F   Linus> The only thing that is meaningful is "performace at the same (   Linus> time of general availability".     B You claimed that x86 is inherently superior. I provided data that D shows that much of this apparent superiority is simply an effect of C the larger volume that x86 achieves today. Please don't claim that  G x86 wins on technical grounds when it really wins on economic grounds.               --david    ---   < 	It really is a very good debate and to claim that Linus has? 	the upper hand doesn't reflect the quality of the responses in 
 	that thread.   B 	IBM backed off?  That has been beaten about.  It makes absolutely@ 	no sense for IBM to spend their money to improve Linux Itanium./ 	That is Intel, HP's, Fujitsu and others' role.   B > Did you all read the ZDNet article which seems to have triggered > Torvalds' response?  > 0 >   <http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-985432.html> > K > I mean, wow.  All I could say after reading that was "wow."  Intel really J > knows they've a dog of a processor on their hands.  The /entire/ article> > is built upon excuses why 64-bit platforms are irrelevant!   >   ? 	It isn't a dog and gets much larger cache and a 50% speed bump 
 	in 6 months.  	 ? 	I'm not sure who is using 64-bit native code.  The larger apps < 	I have experience with, the apps are still 32-bit mode even@ 	though native 64-bit databases are about and 64-bit OS, severalG 	are held down/back because the applications are still 32-bit!  Shoot,  E 	of the 200 servers nearby, more than 90% of them are 32-bit servers. + 	That of course may not be your experience.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:42:15 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!. Message-ID: <3E5B9CE7.1000707@nospamn.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:Z > In article <b3g264$j3s$1@pcls4.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes: >  > + >>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7966  >>C >>This is the funniest post I've read in /long/ time.  Kudos to Bob J >>for representing the lunatic fringe is such a way as only he is capable  >>of doing.  >>E >>Settling down a bit from my chuckle, I was a bit surprised to hear  G >>Linus slam Itanium to the extent that he did.  Given his following in F >>the world of Linux, it's likely that many people will, out of a sortF >>of respect, keep away from Itanium knowing that Linus had proclaimed? >>it unclean.  So not only have IBM has backed off their Linux  F >>development efforts for it, we're also seeing Linus (and I'd imagineE >>the other heavy kernel development hitters) weilding their crosses  
 >>against it.  >> >  > : > 	If anyone had taken the time to read all the threads inE > 	the kernel listing, you would have stumbled upon David Mosberger's @ > 	replies.  Replies of which, Linus has little or no comebacks. >  > 	For example:  > @ > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0302.2/1967.html >  > G >  Linus> Last I saw P4 was kicking ia-64 butt on specint and friends.   >  >    I think he may mean Xeons.  = You can get 4 way 2.4 GHz Xeon based systems which are faster  than the 1 GHz IPF for SPECint.   : Price wise a 4 way Xeon is going to be 50% of the price of! a 4 way IPF based system from HP.   , So he is right and by default you are wrong.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 11:20:15 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!3 Message-ID: <Vwjc8jLbqb53@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3E5B9CE7.1000707@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: >  >  > Rob Young wrote:[ >> In article <b3g264$j3s$1@pcls4.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes:  >>   >>  , >>>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7966 >>> D >>>This is the funniest post I've read in /long/ time.  Kudos to BobK >>>for representing the lunatic fringe is such a way as only he is capable   >>>of doing. >>> F >>>Settling down a bit from my chuckle, I was a bit surprised to hear H >>>Linus slam Itanium to the extent that he did.  Given his following inG >>>the world of Linux, it's likely that many people will, out of a sort G >>>of respect, keep away from Itanium knowing that Linus had proclaimed @ >>>it unclean.  So not only have IBM has backed off their Linux G >>>development efforts for it, we're also seeing Linus (and I'd imagine F >>>the other heavy kernel development hitters) weilding their crosses  >>>against it. >>>  >>   >>  ; >> 	If anyone had taken the time to read all the threads in F >> 	the kernel listing, you would have stumbled upon David Mosberger'sA >> 	replies.  Replies of which, Linus has little or no comebacks.  >>   >> 	For example: >>  A >> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0302.2/1967.html  >>   >>  H >>  Linus> Last I saw P4 was kicking ia-64 butt on specint and friends.  >>   >>   >  > I think he may mean Xeons. >    	Maybe/probably.  ? > You can get 4 way 2.4 GHz Xeon based systems which are faster ! > than the 1 GHz IPF for SPECint.   D 	Right, but not the point of that sub-thread of the discussion.  Go  	read context.   > < > Price wise a 4 way Xeon is going to be 50% of the price of# > a 4 way IPF based system from HP.  >    	Right.  > . > So he is right and by default you are wrong. >   > 	No, it wasn't me saying that so I wouldn't be wrong no matterA 	how you spin the discussion.  And no David wasn't/isn't wrong.    	Check the context.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:35:31 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!. Message-ID: <3E5BA963.5000809@nospamn.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:Z > In article <3E5B9CE7.1000707@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:   > . >>So he is right and by default you are wrong. >> >  > @ > 	No, it wasn't me saying that so I wouldn't be wrong no matterC > 	how you spin the discussion.  And no David wasn't/isn't wrong.    > 	Check the context.  >   7 Hang on since you can get 2.4 GHz MP Xeon based systems 9 how can the statement that you can only get 2 GHz systems  be true ???   = And you were responsible for cutting and pasting an incorrect ; article with no recognisable attribution to this newsgroup. = David is a fairly common name. Something you have done in the 3 past, so the responsibility for the error is yours.    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:51:40 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: RE: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEPDGKAA.tom@kednos.com>   G Not to change the topic, but I thought I saw reference the other day to H an Intel cpu (pentium?) at 4.3 GHz, which if true changes the landscape.   >-----Original Message----- ( >From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy/ >[mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com] ) >Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:36 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com9 >Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!  >  >  >  >  >Rob Young wrote: B >> In article <3E5B9CE7.1000707@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison  >SUNUK Consultancy writes: >  >>  / >>>So he is right and by default you are wrong.  >>>  >>   >>  A >> 	No, it wasn't me saying that so I wouldn't be wrong no matter D >> 	how you spin the discussion.  And no David wasn't/isn't wrong.   >> 	Check the context. >>   > 8 >Hang on since you can get 2.4 GHz MP Xeon based systems: >how can the statement that you can only get 2 GHz systems >be true ??? > > >And you were responsible for cutting and pasting an incorrect< >article with no recognisable attribution to this newsgroup.> >David is a fairly common name. Something you have done in the4 >past, so the responsibility for the error is yours. >  >regards >Andrew Harrison >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 12:17:10 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!3 Message-ID: <fHLlYikmw7u+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3E5BA963.5000809@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: >  >  > Rob Young wrote:[ >> In article <3E5B9CE7.1000707@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:  >  >>  / >>>So he is right and by default you are wrong.  >>>  >>   >>  A >> 	No, it wasn't me saying that so I wouldn't be wrong no matter D >> 	how you spin the discussion.  And no David wasn't/isn't wrong.   >> 	Check the context. >>   > 9 > Hang on since you can get 2.4 GHz MP Xeon based systems ; > how can the statement that you can only get 2 GHz systems 
 > be true ???  >   + 	That wasn't a statement in the discussion.   ? > And you were responsible for cutting and pasting an incorrect = > article with no recognisable attribution to this newsgroup.   3 	I thought I introduced what I was doing.  Spin on.   ? > David is a fairly common name. Something you have done in the 5 > past, so the responsibility for the error is yours.   > 	How would the name David cause errors?  Those that are truly > 	interested would read the threads by clicking on the enclosedF 	URLs.  Those that are interested in pontificating or nitpicking would' 	do just that, nitpick and pontificate.    				Rob    : And the wind shall say:  "Here were decent godless people:>                           Their only monument the asphalt road:                           And a thousand lost golf balls."-                                 -- T.S. Eliot    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:31:14 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)8 Subject: Re: Linus trashes Itanium - he's scared of VMS!. Message-ID: <b3gcpi$7ap$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes in article <b3g264$j3s$1@pcls4.std.com> dated Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:30:12 +0000 (UTC):  > - >  http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-985432.html  > J >I mean, wow.  All I could say after reading that was "wow."  Intel reallyI >knows they've a dog of a processor on their hands.  The /entire/ article = >is built upon excuses why 64-bit platforms are irrelevant!    > D >Now, personally, I agree with some of it.  I really don't think theJ >average tasks of the /average/ user will benefit from 64-bit computing.  ? >But then I'm very happily running on a MicroVAX 3100/20e or my J >blisteringly fast 68030 NeXT cube.  I'd also probably say that most trulyG >useful desktop tasks could be done with a well designed 16-bit system.  >32-bits is such overkill!  L Intel isn't saying the world doesn't need 64-bit platforms, only that peopleH don't need 64-bit forms *on their desks* just yet.  That's why they onlyL recommend Itanium for servers and "workstations".  IMHO it all comes down to memory addressing.    I Have you ever written in 8086 assembly language?  I have.  To rasterize a K 640x480 JPG into a 24-bit pixel array you need 900K of memory.  16 bits can B only address 64K.  The original kludge to this was to add "segmentA registers", which work but are quite ugly to code with and can be  inefficient.  J With 32 bits you can access 4 GB of memory.  That's about 4 hours of videoC as stored in a Tivo.  Someday we might want that much memory in our  desktops, I'm guessing 2007.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:06:47 GMT + From: "lbalders@gte.net" <lbalders@gte.net>  Subject: MSIE ftp hangs FTPD' Message-ID: <3E5B93F3.A04BD5F4@gte.net>   	 Hi folks,   9 We have encountered a strange problem with our system. It ; seems that MSIE ftp-ing to the Alpha's anonymous site hangs ; the system. FTPD goes into MUTEX process state, and all ftp = services hang. Must reboot to clear (did not try stopping the * processes, probably just go RWAST anyway).  : Alpha running VMS 7.1-1H1, nearing the end of it's service5 life. We are running "HFRD VMS HTTPd server". Clients 8 have MSIE v5.5, but must use Netscape v4.x, as MSIE will: not work with http, error message 403, forbidden. And then: we have this "MSIE ftp hangs system" problem. There are no problems using Netscape (v4.x).   1 Any idea what is going on here, or how to fix it?    Thank you, lbalders@gte.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:41:43 +0100 0 From: "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1>  Subject: Re: MSIE ftp hangs FTPD/ Message-ID: <d1N6a.365$Tl3.62@news.cpqcorp.net>   E <lbalders@gte.net> wrote in message news:3E5B93F3.A04BD5F4@gte.net...  > Hi folks,  > ; > We have encountered a strange problem with our system. It = > seems that MSIE ftp-ing to the Alpha's anonymous site hangs = > the system. FTPD goes into MUTEX process state, and all ftp ? > services hang. Must reboot to clear (did not try stopping the , > processes, probably just go RWAST anyway). > < > Alpha running VMS 7.1-1H1, nearing the end of it's service7 > life. We are running "HFRD VMS HTTPd server". Clients : > have MSIE v5.5, but must use Netscape v4.x, as MSIE will< > not work with http, error message 403, forbidden. And then< > we have this "MSIE ftp hangs system" problem. There are no! > problems using Netscape (v4.x).  > 3 > Any idea what is going on here, or how to fix it?  >  > Thank you, lbalders@gte.net  >  Hello   * This sounds like a badly tuned ftp account Please post  $ ucx sh version $ ucx sh serv ftp/ful  $ mc authorize sh *ftp $ mc sysgen sh channelcnt    regards    Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:21:35 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>7 Subject: New DECwindows 1.3 documentation but no kit ?? 3 Message-ID: <ZOE6a.38492$I6.5948036@zwoll1.home.nl>   M On the VMS documentation pages http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/ there is a  L link to documentation about DECwindows 1.3, but I can't find a patch kit to . upgrade from 1.2.6 to 1.3 ?!? Puzzling .......   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:48:44 GMT / From: "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com> ; Subject: Re: New DECwindows 1.3 documentation but no kit ?? 8 Message-ID: <wdF6a.70$nb4.65@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>    From: "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl>C > On the VMS documentation pages http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/ K > there is a link to documentation about DECwindows 1.3, but I can't find a = > patch kit to upgrade from 1.2.6 to 1.3 ?!? Puzzling .......     J Sounds like a new release, in which case I wouldn't expect a patch kit but  rather a whole new distribution.   James    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:03:59 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger); Subject: Re: New DECwindows 1.3 documentation but no kit ?? L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2502030803590001@user-uinj4k9.dialup.mindspring.com>  G In article <ZOE6a.38492$I6.5948036@zwoll1.home.nl>, munk@home.nl wrote:   N >On the VMS documentation pages http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/ there is a M >link to documentation about DECwindows 1.3, but I can't find a patch kit to  / >upgrade from 1.2.6 to 1.3 ?!? Puzzling .......   H I expect it will be in the next quarterly Software Products Library, and+ also in the next OpenVMS release for Alpha.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:50:53 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) 4 Subject: Re: O.T. (Was: Re: FREE VAXstation 4000-60): Message-ID: <hpL6a.13653$Tz6.865269@twister.austin.rr.com>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  : * : "Paladin, Paladin, Where do you roam..." : A : From:  Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> on 02/17/2003 06:24 PM  :  : <snip> :  : Have VMS, Will Travel  : Wire paladin, San Francisco  :  : (paladinATalphaseDOTcom) :   % The "Ballad of Paladin" available at:   8   http://www.petalumaspeedway.com/country_ram/paladin.ra  * as is the theme song of the U.S. Congress:  ;   http://www.petalumaspeedway.com/country_ram/auctioneer.ra   2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email   8  "We don't have a democracy, we have an auction." - anon   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:21:26 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy Y Subject: Re: Official OpenVMS name for the =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Itanium=AE_re?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? . Message-ID: <3E5B89F6.1010801@nospamn.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:d > In article <3E56806F.8E16A8C6@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >  >>Sue Skonetski wrote: >>$ >>>"hp OpenVMS Industry Standard 64" >>G >>Is this an official announcement that VMS is being ported to HAMMER ?  >>N >>IA64 is NOT industry standard. Please, put that into everyone's head at HP.  >> >  > A > 	At one time, IA32 wasn't industry standard either.  It appears A > 	they are getting a jump on branding and marketing.  Smart move  > 	on their part.  >  > P >>Until the port to Hammer is officially announced, you are misleading customersM >>by using "industry standard". The industry standard is the 8086. And Hammer P >>will, for now, be the only one offering a 64 bit version of industry standard. >> >  > 4 > 	John McCalpin (Dr. John, author of STREAM, formerG > 	professor at Univerisity of Delaware, former SGI employee, currently = > 	at IBM in high performance design) tells us the following:  > Y > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b334r4%248sg%241%40ausnews.austin.ibm.com&oe=UTF-8  > 1 > From: McCalpin (mccalpin@gmp246.austin.ibm.com) 0 > Subject: Re: Same cache block optimizations?? ' > View: Complete Thread (14 articles)    > Original Format  > Newsgroups: comp.arch  > Date: 2003-02-20 > D > "Without directories, Opteron systems are not likely to scale veryB > well past 4 cpus.   The low-dimension interconnect combined withA > the broadcast snoops will result in both a significant increase C > in memory latency (local and remote) as well as a high percentage B > of the HT links' bandwidth being used for snoops and responses." >  >   3 Well even if this is correct and I wouldn't want to 3 argue with John its probably not that relevant. For  a number of reasons.  5 Firstly, while 4 may be the optimum configuration for 1 Opteron it doesn't preclude people building 8 way 2 systems. You of all people should know that moving2 from say 4 to 8 CPU's with a longer latency hasn't1 stopped people selling or designing systems, this 2 describes the current 2-8 Xeon market well as well as the lamentable GS160/320.  2 Secondly 1-8 CPU's is the market where Intel makes1 the bulk of its margins. Losing significant share / int he premium x86 market will hurt Intel badly / and anything that hurst Intel will also hurt HP # because of their dependance in IPF.   2 Itanium based on current Itanium II package prices6 from HP seems destined for the 8 way and above market.1 94K for a 4 way box is a lot when compared with 4 1 Way RISC servers from Sun/IBM or 4 way IA32 boxes   6 And anyway Itanium isn't currently margin positive and* its units volumes are low to non existant.  6 So Opteron is most likely initially to eat into Intels3 revenues where they hurt most in the IA32 space for  premium desktops and servers.   7 Thirdly AMD are developing a Hammer CPU that has better : support for more CPU's. It may have escaped you notice but9 currently HP's largest Itanium II server supports 4 CPU's 9 because HP didn't have a support chipset for more. Hammer < has this on-chip so what AMD are doing is not very different: to what HP have had to do to get more than 4 way Itaniums.  : Once AMD get there though they will have a much lower cost" base to work against than Itanium.  9 Intel talk blythely about 5K Itanium II systems but their ; biggest OEM HP is intent on charging ~23K per CPU in actual 0 packages. Is HP intent in limiting demand, uping< margins or do they simply not want to operate at the kind of? margin they currently do in the IA32 space simply to keep Intel  profitable.    regards  Andrew Harrison     @ > 	Read the follow-up threads.  The conclusion there was/is thatB > 	Red Storm (the 10000 CPU Sandia Opteron) is a T3E knock-off and > 	not cache coherent. > F > 	Now perhaps you may wish to wander over to comp.arch and straightenB > 	those guys out or tell us how we will see an 8, 16+ CPU OpteronA > 	box in the next 2 years?  That would be helpful to stating and C > 	supporting a case for Opteron's greatness or would help convince  > 	me. > F > 	Point is, Opteron will have its nice little niche and will no doubt< > 	make Intel crank and crank and lower prices on Xeon.  But3 > 	it isn't a very interesting debate.  Or is it?    > D > 	Maybe a large upward trend in AMD stock price and/or AMD Opteron C > 	partners to show something fantastic about to be sprung on us?   F > 	Sun selling them?  Well... okay, but where is the stock movement or= > 	any ancillary evidence Opteron will gain traction for AMD?  > 	 > 				Rob  > G > "FIRE God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, not of philosophers and scholars, N > Certainty, certainty, heartfelt, joy, peace. God of Jesus Christ. My God andL > your God, Thy God shall be my God."   -- Blaise Pascal - November 23, 1654 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:13:37 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> # Subject: Re: PMAG-B on DEC 3000/400 . Message-ID: <3e5ba442$1_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  H The WS graphics group did the SW for the 3D cards, and I believe that itB won't work multi-head.  I believe the *only* way I've seen it workJ multi-head is with a 2D card like the SFB/HX as screen 0 (console) and the; 3D card as screen 1 - and then cross your fingers and hope.       , "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> wrote in message% news:b3eggl$4rq$1@bob.news.rcn.net... K > It already has a PMAGB-BA so since I had a TC PMAG I''' through it in and  > see what happens.  >  > Dave? > Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message H > news:rdeininger-2402032020220001@user-uinj5b2.dialup.mindspring.com...K > > In article <b3ebrb$ijc$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com>  > wrote: > > B > > >Is a PMAG-B supported under VMS, (7.3) on the DEC3000 series, > specificallyH > > >the 400.  I am pitching my decstation and am going to try it and my	 > monitor L > > >as a dual screen.  Performance doesn't bother me so much as screen real > > >estate area.  > > J > > I don't think it is supported.  In any case, I think VMS only supports6 > > multiple monitors when they are all the same type. > > A > > The usual low-end graphics adapters for DEC 3000 systems are:  > > L > > PMAGB-B         HX or SFB       8bpp color/     1280x1024 @ 66 or 72 Hz,G > >                                 grayscale,      or 1024x864 @ 72 Hz , > >                                 2D accel > > H > > PMAGD-AA        HX+             8bpp or 24 bpp, variable resolution,A > > PMAGD-BA                        accelerated     rotary switch / > >                                 framebuffer  > > I > > There's some (not VMS specific) turbochannel option information here:  > > 5 > >   http://www.de.netbsd.org/Ports/pmax/models.html  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:29:11 GMT + From: "P.Lj" <plj@NOSPAMbyron.ext.telia.se> % Subject: Re: Porting Library on 7.3-1 4 Message-ID: <rPF6a.12182$FF4.633079@newsb.telia.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:f > In article <alck5vcdslv21ed6qgf0t25gn8qg46n94l@4ax.com>, P.Lj <plj@NOSPAMbyron.ext.telia.se> writes: >  >>Hi,  >>H >>I'm not getting any LIBGLIB.EXE when building the "jackets" or PortingD >>Library on a VMS 7.3-1 system. The linker does not complain and no >>libglib.exe is produced. >>	 >>hints ?  >  > ) >    Are you looking for vms_jackets.exe?  >   A No, I was building GTK... ahh.. and uncommented lstat in Porting  B Library, since it already was in CRTL, GTK uses Porting Library...; and then was Mozilla running, a bit confused, ah-yes... 8-|    /P.Lj    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:10:01 -0000 - From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> O Subject: RE: Problems connecting to PATHWORKS share ofter upgrade from V5 to V6 E Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CB1FD@tahiti.tinuk.com>   F Thanks for the help so far. I think I may have discovered the problem.? At least I hope it's *THE* problem, rather than *A* problem...!   H Anyway, it looks like the users share has disappeared since the upgrade.D They are trying to connect to a share which is presented to them as;   \\STK000\FOCUS  & and the result of an ADMIN SHOW SHARE;  $ Name          Type       Description ------------  --------- 7 ------------------------------------------------------- 0 NETLOGON      Directory  Logon Scripts Directory: PWLIC         Directory  PATHWORKS Client License Software: PWLICENSE     Directory  PATHWORKS Client License Software9 PWUTIL        Directory  PATHWORKS Client-based Utilities ( USERS         Directory  Users Directory     Total of 5 shares     H So, the question is, how do I 'locate' the old share and any files which  may have been conatined therein?  B I am, of course, trying to read the documentation as fast as I can- without losing all sense of what I'm reading!    TIA    Steve Spires Technical Consultant Torex Health [T] +44 (0) 1295 274200  [F] +44 (0) 1295 275131 
 www.torex.com    >>-----Original Message-----? >>From: Brad McCusker [mailto:brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com]=20  >>Sent: 25 February 2003 01:42 >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > >>Subject: Re: Problems connecting to PATHWORKS share ofter=20 >>upgrade from V5 to V6  >> >>= >>I agree with Rob's suggestions... In addition, maybe you=20  >>>      [lots of snippage]     >>> Rob. >>>    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:55:45 -0000 - From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com>   Subject: PRODUCT REMOVE problem.E Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CAE58@tahiti.tinuk.com>    Hi all,   < Tried to do a PRODUCT REMOVE and got the following error[s];   ANTRIM $ prod remove ucx  ( The following product has been selected::     DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.2-21                 Layered Product   Do you want to continue? [YES]  C %PCSI-W-OPTREF, product DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.2-21 is referenced by DEC  AXPVMS OPENV MS V7.3 > -PCSI-W-OPTRF1, this software dependency is expressed within a
 configuration G -PCSI-W-OPTRF2,   option that is currently selected for the referencing  product E -PCSI-W-OPTRF3, if you want to reconfigure the referencing product or  reviewB -PCSI-W-OPTRF4,   its configuration requirements, answer NO to the	 following G -PCSI-W-OPTRF5,   question to terminate this operation; if you are sure  you wantF -PCSI-W-OPTRF6,   to remove the referenced product, then answer YES to proceed  Do you want to continue? [YES]  9 The following products will be removed from destinations: F     DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.2-21                 DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON.]F     DEC AXPVMS UCXECO_42_1 V1.0            DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON.]   Portion done: 0%5 %PCSI-I-PRCOUTPUT, output from subprocess follows ... G %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening PCSI$SOURCE:[000000]CLEAN_SDA_HELP.COM; as  input A -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for 	 operation  Portion done: 10%   D %PCSI-E-EXERMVFAIL, product supplied EXECUTE REMOVE procedure failedA -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for 	 operation " %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedE Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES] F %PCSI-E-CANCEL_WIP, termination resulted in an incomplete modification	 to the sy  stem/ %PCSI-E-S_OPCAN, operation cancelled by request C %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error 	 condition   
 -------------   F So, am I just missing a patch? Looking through GOOGLE I get one threadC response to a search of EXERMVFAIL, which applied to VMS 7.1-2, and " required either a patch install of@ DEC-AXPVMS-VMS62TO71U2_PCSI-V0200-4.PCSI or a reinstall of PCSI.  8 I guess as I'm running VMS 7.3 I need to do a reinstall?   Steve Spires Technical Consultant Torex Health [T] +44 (0) 1295 274200  [F] +44 (0) 1295 275131 
 www.torex.com    >>-----Original Message-----0 >>From: jm [mailto:john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com]=20 >>Sent: 25 February 2003 18:38 >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + >>Subject: Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file  >> >>7 >>carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message=20 + >>news:<24FEB200323000240@gerg.tamu.edu>... D >>> In article <c67e4bdd.0302241715.26295629@posting.google.com>,=20J >>> john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm) writes... }john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com=20 >>> (jm) wrote in message=20; >>news:<c67e4bdd.0302240615.61207ff2@posting.google.com>... B >>> }> When building samba 2.2.7 with @build.com I get this error:	 >>> }>=20 D >>> }> Cannot find file <stropts.h> specified in #include directive.. >>> }> at line number 330 in file INCLUDES.H;2	 >>> }>=20 A >>> }> Any direction is appreciated.  I have tried to find the=20  >>answer myself.F >>> }>  Please forgive me if this is documented.  I could not find it.	 >>> }>=20  >>> }> Thank you. 	 >>> }>=20  >>> }> OpenVMS 7.2-1 >>> }=20' >>> }Anyone know what this file is for?  >>>=20 >>> You should have it.  >>>=20: >>> SYS$COMMON:[DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.DECC$RTLDEF]STROPTS.H;2 >>>=20 >>> #ifndef __STROPTS_LOADED >>> #define __STROPTS_LOADED >>>=20H >>/********************************************************************* >>> *******  >>> **' >>> **  <stropts.h> - STREAMS interface  >>> ** >>>=20@ >>************************************************************** >>*************** = >>> **  Header introduced by the X/Open CAE Specification,=20  >>Issue 4, Version 2	 >>> [...]  >>>=20 >>> /*H >>> **  The OpenVMS V7.0 release added a second implementation of the=20
 >>> socket@ >>> **  functions which is compatible with BSD 4.4.  Define a=20
 >>local to be F >>> **  used throughout the remaining header file which reflects which% >>> **  implementation is being used.  >>> **B >>> **  An application program enables this support by defining=20 >>_SOCKADDR_LEN , >>> **  prior to including this header file. >>> */ >>> #ifdef _SOCKADDR_LEN" >>> #   if (__CRTL_VER < 70000000)A >>> #      error " BSD 4.4 Socket package not available before=20  >>OpenVMS V7.0"  >>> #      undef _SOCKADDR_LEN
 >>> #   endif 
 >>> #endif >>>=20
 >>> [etc.] >>>=20 >>> --- Carl >>> >>Thanks, I looked and it wasn't there.  How can I get it? =20A >>Also, I couldn't figure out how to see what compiler version=20 @ >>I had.  "Help CC" didn't reveal the version.  thank you again. >> >> >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:47:49 +0800 # From: "Albert" <kinace@hotmail.com> J Subject: Question: why sometimes asctim returns "17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00"?4 Message-ID: <1046177493.457125@sky.aect.cuhk.edu.hk>  	 Dear All,   K I would like to rise a question about using asctim to get the readable time F from RMS file. My code read a record from RMS file in a loop, the codeK captures two 8-byte VMS_DATE value. They are passed to asctim. But for some H columns, "17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00" is returned wrongly, Could you kindly give any idea?   For example:? In the frist record, the first date always returns "17-NOV-1858 J 00:00:00.00", and the second one returns the correct date. As shown in the! frist line of the result example.   K In the second record, both frist and second date are wrong, as shown in the # second lines of the result example.   I And the first date in third and forth line are also wrong, and the second   date is right, as in the result.  J Every run of the loop, the result is always exactly the same. In fact, all@ date is valid date value, of sometimes in 2003, in the RMS file.  # ---------------------------- result 1 example ----------------------------------------- F Start Time: 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00.End Time:  7-JAN-2003 15:44:57.00.F Start Time: 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00.End Time: 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00.F Start Time: 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00.End Time: 25-JAN-2003 09:51:53.00.F Start Time: 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00.End Time: 11-JAN-2003 16:25:49.00.L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --  - Does my code use those function call wrongly?   
 Best Regards,  Albert.    The coding: K ---------------------------- code -----------------------------------------      char *BufAdr;      char pTmp[100]; $     struct dsc$descriptor AsciiDate;     int AsciiDateLen = 23;  ;         /* ------------ Get Start Date/Time ------------ */ $         strncpy(pTmp, BufAdr+18, 8);         pTmp[8]='\0';   .         AsciiDate.dsc$b_class = DSC$K_CLASS_D;.         AsciiDate.dsc$b_dtype = DSC$K_DTYPE_T;#         AsciiDate.dsc$w_length = 0; '         AsciiDate.dsc$a_pointer = NULL;   K         if ( !$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS(lib$sget1_dd(&AsciiDateLen, &AsciiDate)))              return RetStat; I         if ( !$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS(sys$asctim ( &timlen, &AsciiDate, (char 
 *)pTmp, 0 )))              return RetStat; ;         printf("Start Time: %s.", AsciiDate.dsc$a_pointer); >         if ( !$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS(lib$sfree1_dd(&AsciiDate )))             return RetStat;   9         /* ------------ Get End Date/Time ------------ */ $         strncpy(pTmp, BufAdr+90, 8);         pTmp[8]='\0';   .         AsciiDate.dsc$b_class = DSC$K_CLASS_D;.         AsciiDate.dsc$b_dtype = DSC$K_DTYPE_T;#         AsciiDate.dsc$w_length = 0; '         AsciiDate.dsc$a_pointer = NULL;   K         if ( !$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS(lib$sget1_dd(&AsciiDateLen, &AsciiDate)))              return RetStat; I         if ( !$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS(sys$asctim ( &timlen, &AsciiDate, (char 
 *)pTmp, 0 )))              return RetStat; ;         printf("End Time: %s.\n", AsciiDate.dsc$a_pointer); >         if ( !$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS(lib$sfree1_dd(&AsciiDate )))             return RetStat;   L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:24:49 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> N Subject: Re: Question: why sometimes asctim returns "17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00"?; Message-ID: <01KSUY7DYWVG9GVT85@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > I would like to rise a question about using asctim to get the readableH > time from RMS file. My code read a record from RMS file in a loop, theI > code captures two 8-byte VMS_DATE value. They are passed to asctim. But H > for some columns, "17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00" is returned wrongly, Could > you kindly give any idea?   G There is a bug which returns a delta-time of 0 in some contexts as the  @ above date (which is the zero-point date for VMS).  For example:   $ spa sh status ' %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process XXXXX_1 spawned 9 %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process XXXXX_1 M   Status on  25-FEB-2003 15:23:35.30     Elapsed CPU :17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00 F   Buff. I/O :      136    Cur. ws. :   18864    Open files :         1F   Dir. I/O :         0    Phys. Mem. :  1088    Page Faults :       80  E (This also serves to test whether one has a reasonably fast machine).   * Of course, it SHOULD return something like  F   Status on  25-FEB-2003 15:23:33.06     Elapsed CPU :   0 00:00:00.01F   Buff. I/O :      136    Cur. ws. :   18864    Open files :         1F   Dir. I/O :         0    Phys. Mem. :  1088    Page Faults :       80   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:11:38 +0100 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>3 Subject: Questions about BACKUP under OpenVMS 7.3-1 : Message-ID: <MDEJJFGEEOPAFONJONBKIENMCMAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  J we do make an incremental backup every day. Sometimes we will see a backupK only from the directories. Normaly backup will report, that it did not find G any file to backup. But somtimes not. Does anybody know the behavior of 1 this? I would like to stop that work. How to do?.    TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:27:18 +0100 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>7 Subject: Re: Questions about BACKUP under OpenVMS 7.3-1 / Message-ID: <b3fna2$e8g2@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>    Rudolf Wingert schrieb:  > Hello, > L > we do make an incremental backup every day. Sometimes we will see a backupM > only from the directories. Normaly backup will report, that it did not find I > any file to backup. But somtimes not. Does anybody know the behavior of 3 > this? I would like to stop that work. How to do?.  >   > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert > E It is normal, that BACKUP saves the directories, even if no files in  F them are treated. It needs this info during an incremental restore in  order to delete files.   --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards     Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de - mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:07:47 +0100 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>4 Subject: Questions about SEARCH under OpenVMS V7.3-1: Message-ID: <MDEJJFGEEOPAFONJONBKEENMCMAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  K may be, that I do misunderstand the SEARCH/KEY command. I did thought, that K it search for the match starting at position POSITION for the next n (SIZE) L characters. With the qualifier /KEY=(POSITION=1;SIZE=1) I would like to findI a match at the first position of line. But I did get all lines containing C the matched character. What can I do to find out the occurence of a " character in a specified position?  L 	e.g. $SEARCH/AT_POSITION=1 filespec hugo should show me all lines with hugo in 	     it on any position.    TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:18:23 +0100 % From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com> 8 Subject: Re: Questions about SEARCH under OpenVMS V7.3-10 Message-ID: <qaJ6a.344$cY2.230@news.cpqcorp.net>   What is your VMS version ?   Seems to work in 7.3 : $ type test.dat    ABBBB    BAAAA    CAAAA    DAAAA   % $ sear /key=(pos:1,size:1) test.dat a    ABBBB    $ sear test.dat a    ABBBB    BAAAA    CAAAA    DAAAA    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:34:24 +0100 0 From: "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1>8 Subject: Re: Questions about SEARCH under OpenVMS V7.3-1. Message-ID: <ChK6a.346$%b3.0@news.cpqcorp.net>  3 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message 4 news:MDEJJFGEEOPAFONJONBKEENMCMAA.win@fom.fgan.de... > Hello, > H > may be, that I do misunderstand the SEARCH/KEY command. I did thought, thatF > it search for the match starting at position POSITION for the next n (SIZE)I > characters. With the qualifier /KEY=(POSITION=1;SIZE=1) I would like to  findK > a match at the first position of line. But I did get all lines containing E > the matched character. What can I do to find out the occurence of a $ > character in a specified position? > H > e.g. $SEARCH/AT_POSITION=1 filespec hugo should show me all lines with hugo > in >      it on any position.   Hello   = You can do this quite easily with Perl or (g)awk, which is in ' sys$common:<syshlp.examples.tcpip.snmp>   
 An example  
 $ cr e.awk BEGIN {}* $1 ~ /EWA[123456789]/    {print $4 " " $5}  E the following command will show the code and name (60-07 and SCA, for C example) for all the protocols running on the EWA card on the node.   D $ pipe wr sys$output "sh lan" | ana/sys | gawk /input=e.awk sys$pipe     Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:27:37 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) 8 Subject: Re: Questions about SEARCH under OpenVMS V7.3-10 Message-ID: <ZPM6a.364$oj3.270@news.cpqcorp.net>  ; In article <MDEJJFGEEOPAFONJONBKEENMCMAA.win@fom.fgan.de>,  * "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:  < >may be, that I do misunderstand the SEARCH/KEY command. ...  A You did not post the actual SEARCH command you used, so I suggest : you consider the following note, found in HELP SEARCH /KEY  ?         The /KEY qualifier must appear before the file name, or >         after the specified search string. If the qualifier is7         placed between these parameters, it is ignored.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:43:39 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>2 Subject: Re: Rename SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]SYS0.DIR) Message-ID: <3E5B730B.837FD5C5@127.0.0.1>    Bob Koehler wrote: > l > In article <1fe424ce.0302200653.7d343c69@posting.google.com>, b.seghers@europe.com (Seghers Bruno) writes:  J > > I have installed a system from the CD (VMS 7.3-1) and I want to renameD > > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]SYS0.DIR to SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]SYS7.DIR > >    > A >    Looks good to me, but why do yu want the first node to be 7? 6 >    Why not just let it start at 0 like VMS wants to?  D Not to be contrary, but I sometimes find it is useful to avoid using SYS0.   C First reason is that when someone unfamiliar with the system does a D conversational boot on a disk with multiple roots, it is too easy to blindly use -fl 0,1.  B Second is that in a number of configurations, the system numbering starts at n, not 0.    e.g. SYSTEM6 and SYSTEM7 (sic)  E Why have [SYS0] for SYSTEM6 and [SYS1] for SYSTEM7 when you could use @ [SYS6] and [SYS7] and there's no confusion, and you're saved the conversational boot issue.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 10:37:59 -0800$ From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm)) Subject: Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file < Message-ID: <c67e4bdd.0302251037.2b82b5b@posting.google.com>  \ carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<24FEB200323000240@gerg.tamu.edu>...h > In article <c67e4bdd.0302241715.26295629@posting.google.com>, john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm) writes...l > }john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm) wrote in message news:<c67e4bdd.0302240615.61207ff2@posting.google.com>...@ > }> When building samba 2.2.7 with @build.com I get this error: > }>  B > }> Cannot find file <stropts.h> specified in #include directive., > }> at line number 330 in file INCLUDES.H;2 > }>  K > }> Any direction is appreciated.  I have tried to find the answer myself. D > }>  Please forgive me if this is documented.  I could not find it. > }>   > }> Thank you.  > }>   > }> OpenVMS 7.2-1 > } % > }Anyone know what this file is for?  >  > You should have it.  > 8 > SYS$COMMON:[DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.DECC$RTLDEF]STROPTS.H;2 >  > #ifndef __STROPTS_LOADED > #define __STROPTS_LOADEDO > /****************************************************************************  > **% > **  <stropts.h> - STREAMS interface  > **O > ***************************************************************************** K > **  Header introduced by the X/Open CAE Specification, Issue 4, Version 2  > [...]  >  > /*J > **  The OpenVMS V7.0 release added a second implementation of the socketG > **  functions which is compatible with BSD 4.4.  Define a local to be D > **  used throughout the remaining header file which reflects which# > **  implementation is being used.  > **K > **  An application program enables this support by defining _SOCKADDR_LEN * > **  prior to including this header file. > */ > #ifdef _SOCKADDR_LEN  > #   if (__CRTL_VER < 70000000)J > #      error " BSD 4.4 Socket package not available before OpenVMS V7.0" > #      undef _SOCKADDR_LEN > #   endif  > #endif >  > [etc.] > 
 > --- Carl  A Thanks, I looked and it wasn't there.  How can I get it?  Also, I F couldn't figure out how to see what compiler version I had.  "Help CC", didn't reveal the version.  thank you again.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:59:27 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> $ Subject: Re: Shutdown and power off?8 Message-ID: <20030225085927.741d47e7.mathog@caltech.edu>  " On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:41:42 -0500+ "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com> wrote:    > / > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message 2 > news:b3aefs$1itv2v$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de...L > > The @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN utility in AXP/VMS 7.3 lists, among others, theM > > power off option. However, when selected the Alpha does not power off but = > > returns to the >>> prompt. Hardware: Digital Server 5305. / > > Is there an SRM attribute that must be set?   A I don't know the answer to that but when we had a VMS DS10 it was < attached to a TrippLite Omnismart UPS.  My program tcontrol, available here:   =   ftp://saf.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/openvms/tcontrol.zip   D was used to monitor the UPS.  If the UPS saw the power go away there@ was a script around tcontrol (also in that zip file) which wouldA shut down the system and in the end, if I remember correctly, the B UPS.   I think you could probably modify this to shut down the UPS? even if the power had not failed, which would effectively power  off your VMS machine.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:09:02 GMT = From: peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)  Subject: Supermicro 1 Message-ID: <3e5b8647.1133171@news.cable.ntl.com>   	 Hi folks,   % WIll HP Open VMS run on these boards?     ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7962    E It would be good if it did. One of the problems of Itanium at present F and Alpha in the past has been the high cost of systems maybe if other= firms are allowed to produce parts then it could lower costs.   B I have a dual PIII Xeon Supermicro board in my PC which I built my" self and I'm very pleased with it.   cheers,        Peter Watkinson % peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com  remove <nospam> to reply :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:54:20 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Supermicro + Message-ID: <b3g3je$p70@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   L "peter.watkinson1@ ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)" <nospam> wrote in message+ news:3e5b8647.1133171@news.cable.ntl.com...   ' > WIll HP Open VMS run on these boards?   Y Wait a year or two and ask again, if they're still in production. It's a little premature P to ask, when OpenVMS isn't even alpha quality on any Itanium platform, and there) are drivers for only about three devices.   Q That said, it seems that HP aren't doing custom firmware on its Itanium range, so S getting hobbyist versions to run on generic Itanium platforms looks likely, if they T decide to go for it. I doubt it's very high on anyone's list of things to do though.   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Feb 03 16:32:44 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 4 Subject: Re: Suspected compromise of my home VMS box) Message-ID: <vXvxMFpDsR5n@elias.decus.ch>   f In article <b3ck3h$nls$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > O > Backup the whole system disk. You never know which file might give you a clue I > once you start the analysis. In addition have a look at the users' home O > directories. Are there any FTP-logs, POP3-logs or the like? What date has the F > LOGIN.COM? Anything else modified on any disk since your last login? > * > Finally, please let us know the outcome. >    OK here's the first analysis.   E From a combination of the accounting, audit files and operator log, I A have discovered that I initially triggered intrusion detection (I " was trying to log in from my Mac).  C Realizing this was probably the case, I then went to my console and < tried logging in from the Motif screensaver password prompt.  7 No success there, nor when I restarted in minimum mode.   C Having applied the procedure as outline in the FAQ, I inadvertently C logged myself out (by doing SHOW INTRUSION after a minimum startup, F it complained that the breakin server was inactive and logged me out),C didn't want to go through a reboot, so tried my old password anyway  and it worked.  A So maybe I overreacted, maybe not. I still have digging to do and   my backup tape is a-spinning :-)  8 Thanks to those who contributed. It is much appreciated.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:48:42 GMT / From: "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com> 7 Subject: Re: TCPIP Services - not talking on interface? 8 Message-ID: <udF6a.69$mb4.27@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>  . ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" wrote:C > What should I do next in diagnosing this problem?  I don't have a  > network sniffer.  L Well, you do have a software sniffer but you aren't to that point yet...  IsG this a managed hub or just a dumb hub you are using?  You should have a H "link light" on both the NIC and the port you are plugged in to.  If youK don't then either your settings are incompatible.  If you have a link light K steady on both then the next thing is to ping and see if you get a flashing F light in concert with the ping timing on both ends.  This is easier ifI network is relatively quiet or you have a switch as opposed to a hub that H you are looking at.  If that is working I would double check you networkH address settings.  Otherwise you may want to swap the cable with one youC know that works to be sure you don't have a cable problem, or try a  different port on the hub.   James    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:13:09 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")7 Subject: Re: TCPIP Services - not talking on interface? 6 Message-ID: <00A1BFF3.85DACCB5@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  j In article <udF6a.69$mb4.27@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>, "James Wilkinson" <elementyl@hotmail.com> writes:/ >""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" wrote: D >> What should I do next in diagnosing this problem?  I don't have a >> network sniffer.  > M >Well, you do have a software sniffer but you aren't to that point yet...  Is H >this a managed hub or just a dumb hub you are using?  You should have aI >"link light" on both the NIC and the port you are plugged in to.  If you 4 >don't then either your settings are incompatible.     It's a dumb hub.  L Link light on the port (and I changed ports and the link light followed it).I There are three lights on the NIC; one flashes regularly, the others stay  blank.   > If you have a link lightL >steady on both then the next thing is to ping and see if you get a flashing6 >light in concert with the ping timing on both ends.    M Didn't get that far.  (There is a steady light on the built-in NIC, which has  nothing plugged into it.)    -- Alan     O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:35:44 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>7 Subject: Re: TCPIP Services - not talking on interface? ) Message-ID: <3E5B6320.3347F93E@127.0.0.1>   * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: >  ...   1 Have you run the ECU on it? EISA Config Utility ?   F I've had a case where the system does not request the ECU, however allF the installed boards were not recognized until I'd run it. I could see- the boards from VMS, but I had odd behaviour.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 02:24:00 -0800' From: nikki_wire@yahoo.com (nikki_wire) . Subject: Re: technical question re. vms editor= Message-ID: <60fdd9c9.0302250224.57105647@posting.google.com>   F Hmmm, I'm afraid I don't understand that! What is the TECO command? IsA the method you describe suitable for the standard EVE VMS editor?   > Also, how do you determine the escape character on the system?   Thanks   Nikki    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:42:51 +0000 7 From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@reading.sema.slb.com> . Subject: RE: technical question re. vms editorH Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE015292E5@reaes2.sema.co.uk>  G I was just looking at the original question from Nikki Wire, when this  6 truly impressive reply from Larry Kilgallen came in...  ? > In article <60fdd9c9.0302240258.783b0618@posting.google.com>, + > nikki_wire@yahoo.com (nikki_wire) writes:  > G > > Do any of you guys know the quickest way to remove all comments (CO D > > records) from a VMS file except for the header - eg the first 20
 > > lines? > B > Presuming that by "CO record" you mean a record that starts with > the characters "CO", >  > $ TECO file.ext  > j<.u00a-^^C"n0;'1a-^^O"n0;'n > $;>  > q0j<n  > CO$;0kk2r>ex$$ > @ > Where instances of "$" in lines after the first are the Escape > character.  A Hey that command is truly awesome!  I never cease to be amazed by B people who can produce lines like that. Completely beyond me. I do? hope you would never use anything like that, however, in a live < production environment, its not what I would consider to be ? 'Comprehensible, maintainable code'. I am just imagining myself > looking at that line at 3:00 on a customer site - some do thatB to me. For those lesser mortals who want something that reads moreA like what it does, I have changed a bit of code that I wrote some A time ago to do something very similar. It uses TPU instead, which B I find much more maintainable and easy to understand - albeit MUCHD MUCH longer - my version take 15 lines, unlike Larry's which is justA 50 bytes!  It was dealing with exactly the same comment delimiter B (This file isn't by any chance an old Sema SCF file, we used CO at# the start of a line for comments?).   B You can if you like smarten it up to remove the messages about 'noC terminal' and the blank lines displayed. You may also want to write A more stuff to allow for the possibility that there are fewer than @ 20 lines in the file.  This will give out more error messages in4 that case as well.  You could also add a line like..B DEFINE/USER EVE$KEYPAD EVE - to suppress the message you get aboutB EDT emulation. I could not be bothered, as it works fine as it is,  if the input is what it expects.  > On another thread there is another argument about the relative? merits of the VMS editors. I can't be bothered to contribute to > these - people like what they like, and you ain't gonna change> them. I like TPU, ever since (many years ago now) I got rather> reluctantly forced into using it by company standard (due to a> showstopper problem with EDT, and complete unfamiliarity with ( TECO), and now rarely use anything else.  = Here's my nugget for you, a few lines of code padded out with ? loadsa comments (one advantage of long-winded tpu code is there $ is space by its side for comments)..   $ type kill_comments.comE $  EDIT_ 'p1' /NODISPLAY/NOINIT -  ! Edit with no display, journal or 3          /NOJOURNAL -              ! initialization D          /SECTION=EVE$SECTION -    ! (suppress our daft TPU section)$          /COMMAND=SYS$INPUT -      !B          /OUT='f$parse(p2,";",p1)' ! Output=p2 if present, else p1 ! < position(20);                      ! Skip the first 20 lines loopB   exitif not eve_wildcard_find("\<CO");  ! Find line starting "CO">   eve_erase_line;                  ! If found, delete the lineC   move_horizontal (-1);            ! and move up to continue search  endloop;E eve_exit;                          ! Exit tidily, no warning messages  !  $ EXIT $    HTH Cheers, John    9 _________________________________________________________ B This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of   SchlumbergerSema. H If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have receivedK this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing,  0 or copying of this email is strictly prohibited.  : If you have received this email in error please notify the? SchlumbergerSema Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600. 9 _________________________________________________________    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 06:24:54 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: technical question re. vms editor3 Message-ID: <+ZfM3IZiGigy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <60fdd9c9.0302250224.57105647@posting.google.com>, nikki_wire@yahoo.com (nikki_wire) writes: H > Hmmm, I'm afraid I don't understand that! What is the TECO command? Is   	TECO == "MCR TECO32 /SCROLL"   ! But you can also use the command:   
 	EDIT/TECO  C > the method you describe suitable for the standard EVE VMS editor?   ) No, it uses the standard VMS TECO editor.   @ > Also, how do you determine the escape character on the system?  & Escape is decimal 27, hexadecimal 1B .  A On a LK461 it is the key just to the left of the "1" key, but you ? may have to setup your terminal keyboard to "send escape rather  than tilde".   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:42:53 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>. Subject: Re: technical question re. vms editor) Message-ID: <3E5B64CD.DF8C9AD0@127.0.0.1>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: >   B > > Also, how do you determine the escape character on the system? > ( > Escape is decimal 27, hexadecimal 1B . > C > On a LK461 it is the key just to the left of the "1" key, but you A > may have to setup your terminal keyboard to "send escape rather  > than tilde".  ' Control-3 will generally also send ESC.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 06:45:17 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley). Subject: Re: technical question re. vms editor3 Message-ID: <37Uc+jEc5O50@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <01KSTKETA8EA9FNHX8@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:  >> $ TECO file.ext >> j<.u00a-^^C"n0;'1a-^^O"n0;'n  >> $;> >> q0j<n >> CO$;0kk2r>ex$$  > H > Normally, I like the "understandable" language of VMS.  For unix doodsH > who think that kryptic kommands are kool, I will save this one for my  > archives.  >    :-)   K I have always been amused that Larry advocates a programming language which N puts emphasis on readability over writability, and yet uses an editor in which/ one has to write the above types of constructs.    Simon.  I PS: As for me, I would settle for a Pascal/Ada style programming language  for EMACS, instead of LISP...    --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 07:13:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: RE: technical question re. vms editor3 Message-ID: <o$kwwfLHZext@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE015292E5@reaes2.sema.co.uk>, "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@reading.sema.slb.com> writes:  C >> Presuming that by "CO record" you mean a record that starts with0 >> the characters "CO",  >>   >> $ TECO file.ext >> j<.u00a-^^C"n0;'1a-^^O"n0;'ne >> $;> >> q0j<n >> CO$;0kk2r>ex$$i >>  A >> Where instances of "$" in lines after the first are the Escapem
 >> character.u > C > Hey that command is truly awesome!  I never cease to be amazed byrD > people who can produce lines like that. Completely beyond me. I doA > hope you would never use anything like that, however, in a live > > production environment, its not what I would consider to be   A Presuming that you would also never want to use software that wasVA _created_ using such a technique, you should stop using VMS sinceVB there are little nooks and crannies visible in the Source Listings kit where TECO is used.   = The key, to deployment decisions, however, should be testing.h: I could probably come up with some pathelogical cases that8 would cause the above example to fail, but they probably: fall out of the scenario described by the original poster.  A > 'Comprehensible, maintainable code'. I am just imagining myselfn@ > looking at that line at 3:00 on a customer site - some do thatD > to me. For those lesser mortals who want something that reads moreC > like what it does, I have changed a bit of code that I wrote someeC > time ago to do something very similar. It uses TPU instead, whicheD > I find much more maintainable and easy to understand - albeit MUCHF > MUCH longer - my version take 15 lines, unlike Larry's which is justC > 50 bytes!  It was dealing with exactly the same comment delimiterWD > (This file isn't by any chance an old Sema SCF file, we used CO at% > the start of a line for comments?).   E Of course various tools are possible, but the key is in the comments. C TECO is able to handle comments, although I included none above.  IsA have maintained code I wrote 14 years earlier, and even in a morenD reader-friendly language, comments and other documentation are quite
 important.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 07:17:49 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t. Subject: Re: technical question re. vms editor3 Message-ID: <2OotJTSWOzHE@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  x In article <37Uc+jEc5O50@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:y > In article <01KSTKETA8EA9FNHX8@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:t >>> $ TECO file.extf  >>> j<.u00a-^^C"n0;'1a-^^O"n0;'n >>> $;>h	 >>> q0j<n  >>> CO$;0kk2r>ex$$ >> nI >> Normally, I like the "understandable" language of VMS.  For unix doodseI >> who think that kryptic kommands are kool, I will save this one for my A >> archives. >>   >  > :-)l > M > I have always been amused that Larry advocates a programming language which P > puts emphasis on readability over writability, and yet uses an editor in which1 > one has to write the above types of constructs.o  H Editors are somewhat different, since VMS preserves the previous version
 of a file :-)h  F Quite seriously, when I use such a construct it is very often followed by a "differences" command.   C But perhaps the best check for the results of a complex TECO run isrC when the file is an Ada source file.  It is extremely unlikely thateB a faulty TECO command will make undesired changes that just happen- to result in a valid Ada compilation unit :-)S   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:10:51 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e. Subject: Re: technical question re. vms editor; Message-ID: <01KSUY4AZHRQ9GVT85@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  E > > On a LK461 it is the key just to the left of the "1" key, but yousC > > may have to setup your terminal keyboard to "send escape ratherh > > than tilde". > ) > Control-3 will generally also send ESC.i  
 And Control-[a   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 08:08:38 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r. Subject: Re: technical question re. vms editor3 Message-ID: <UYynWljLXrEG@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  c In article <+ZfM3IZiGigy@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:i > C > On a LK461 it is the key just to the left of the "1" key, but youoA > may have to setup your terminal keyboard to "send escape rather  > than tilde".  C     For those of us who like the tilde where it is, control-[ sendst	   escape.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:56:30 +0000l( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMSg) Message-ID: <3E5B59EE.6F170D61@127.0.0.1>e   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  ...  > Rob and Nic, >  > You *STILL* don't get it.p > D > Go back and re-read me again. Then, if you *STILL* have questions,4 > e-mail me privately and we can take this off-line.  G David, something tells me you've never worked in a situation with armedp5 personnel, and you need to justify blowing your nose.t  F I hear what you're saying, and I also understand your frustrations, weC should be saying this and that about what VMS can do, you know, I'dlH dearly love to, I'd be first in line, believe me, but it would also be aG firing squad if you get the double meaning, and both may as well apply.m  G In some circles, there is no such thing as being "discrete" because, it D doesn't exist. You cannot discretely say "oh such and such uses VMS"E because it doesn't exist. How can you run an operating system, indeedUC how could you ever plug in / wind up / water something that doesn't H exist? You can't even hint at something that doesn't exist because you'd/ have no reason for hinting, it is non existent.y  ? Now please, I didn't say this, I wasn't here, neither were you.   ? If you like, we can take this to email, and talk about nothing.  -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesu nclews at csc dot comr   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 07:33:06 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <XAqxdHGpxrg6@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  [ In article <3E5AE3DA.379AC3B9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:tJ > PATCO's issue was their right to strike for higher wages. Their contractB > said no right to strike, that's the leverage the "leaders" used.  E   IIRC it is the law that siad no right to strike.  But as governmentSE   contractors have found in the past, no contract is more stable thanaD   the law on which it is based, and the government controls the law.   ------------------------------   Date: 25 FEB 2003 15:32:50 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: RE: The End of OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <25FEB03.15325056@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  ; In a previous article, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:t  H ->... My point was that if VMS Engineering resigned en-mass - who'd takeF ->their place? The only way HP could possibly re-staff VMS EngineeringH ->would be to re-hire people who were previously fired or resigned - for. ->much higher salaries - if they came at all.   D They would probably welcome this. Then they could out-source all VMSG development to their growing Bangalore operation and save a whole bunchw? of money by closing ZKO entirely. Just like they did with their  financial services:   @   http://www.interex.org/insidehp/articles/insidehp10.22.02.html   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisond6 --               karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:10:21 GMTr1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)0 Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMS6: Message-ID: <NzM6a.42950$F%.2196931@twister.austin.rr.com>  5 Carl Karcher (karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu) wrote:o= : In a previous article, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  : J : ->... My point was that if VMS Engineering resigned en-mass - who'd takeH : ->their place? The only way HP could possibly re-staff VMS EngineeringJ : ->would be to re-hire people who were previously fired or resigned - for0 : ->much higher salaries - if they came at all.  : F : They would probably welcome this. Then they could out-source all VMSI : development to their growing Bangalore operation and save a whole buncheA : of money by closing ZKO entirely. Just like they did with theirs : financial services:j : B :   http://www.interex.org/insidehp/articles/insidehp10.22.02.html :   0 HPQ has a VMS (and Tru64) partner there already:  /    http://h18001.www1.hp.com/partners/digiglob/"    HP and Digital GlobalSoft  !    http://www.digitalindiasw.com/a    Digital GlobalSofte   IIRC, they maintain DFO.    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaila   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:40:56 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>m Subject: Re: The End of OpenVMSiI Message-ID: <s0N6a.59465$b8v1.55153@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>a  > "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message4 news:NzM6a.42950$F%.2196931@twister.austin.rr.com...7 > Carl Karcher (karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu) wrote:a? > : In a previous article, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  > :tA > : ->... My point was that if VMS Engineering resigned en-mass -w
 who'd take> > : ->their place? The only way HP could possibly re-staff VMS Engineering = > : ->would be to re-hire people who were previously fired or  resigned - for1 > : ->much higher salaries - if they came at all.a > :nD > : They would probably welcome this. Then they could out-source all VMS E > : development to their growing Bangalore operation and save a whole  bunch C > : of money by closing ZKO entirely. Just like they did with their  > : financial services:c > :_D > :   http://www.interex.org/insidehp/articles/insidehp10.22.02.html > :" >m2 > HPQ has a VMS (and Tru64) partner there already: > 1 >    http://h18001.www1.hp.com/partners/digiglob/o >    HP and Digital GlobalSoft > # >    http://www.digitalindiasw.com/m >    Digital GlobalSoftP >  > IIRC, they maintain DFO.     They have a nice logo.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 08:13:47 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h. Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only3 Message-ID: <gXoSI9wWKOLb@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  ` In article <BA803E68.4F31%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:G > On 2/24/03 6:10 PM, in article 3E5AD0A8.7020702@bigpond.com, "David Bo3 > Sneddon - bigpond" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote:  >>  L >> There is a TECO macro called TYPE.TEC that does this (among other things) >> h" >> $ mung type /L:10 filename.type >> t > Dave,. > E > Thank you, but I'm looking for a 100% native VMS solution. But I am- > appreciative of your offer.2  G   TECO may be older than VMS, but it certainly a native VMS solutution.:,   What you don't get is a pure DCL solution.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 08:29:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)u. Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only3 Message-ID: <GO5UaZPfTAiV@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  q In article <gXoSI9wWKOLb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:ib > In article <BA803E68.4F31%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:H >> On 2/24/03 6:10 PM, in article 3E5AD0A8.7020702@bigpond.com, "David B4 >> Sneddon - bigpond" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote: >>> M >>> There is a TECO macro called TYPE.TEC that does this (among other things)  >>> # >>> $ mung type /L:10 filename.types >>>  >> Dave, >> aF >> Thank you, but I'm looking for a 100% native VMS solution. But I am >> appreciative of your offer. > I >   TECO may be older than VMS, but it certainly a native VMS solutution.-. >   What you don't get is a pure DCL solution.  C I took his comment to mean that while TECO ships with VMS the macrou TYPE.TEC does not.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:13:03 -08004' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>u. Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only8 Message-ID: <20030225091303.54cfe687.mathog@caltech.edu>    On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 05:26:02 GMT, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote:   > = > Thank you, but I'm looking for a 100% native VMS solution. r  < Well, Pat Rankin's EXTRACT utility is certainly a native VMS6 application, it just isn't part of VMS.  That would be- my first choice for this sort of work on VMS.   = For a more portable program with similar functionality try mys extract program, from here:g  : ftp://saf.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/linux_or_unix_tools   On VMS mine would be used like:D  " $ pipe show system | extract -nr 5  G (number of rows = 5, sr = start row defaults to 1).  If you wanted rowss 3 through 6 you could use    extract -sr 3 -nr 4C or extract -sr 3 -er 6r  / There are equivalent commands in Pat's version.n  F Both versions of extract can do a heck of a lot more than this.  Pat'sA understands RMS and so is the best (or at least first) choice forIG VMS.  For other systems Pat's can't be used but mine will work - all itOE needs is an ANSI C compiler for that platform.  I give full credit to ? Pat for the idea behind extract - it was one tool from VMS that / I just couldn't live without on other machines.s   Regards,     David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Feb 2003 06:43:00 GMT) From: rankin@pactechdata.com (Pat Rankin)Y7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2 / Message-ID: <24FEB200322421425@pactechdata.com>f  3 In article <BA804188.4F33%JCam90502@jcameron.com>,\n0  Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes... [...]eM > The SHOW SYS is just to illustrate the problem, the actual application is aIM > bit more involved. I just used SHOW SYS for an example. The overall need isdL > to get the Nth line of sys$output into a DCL symbol without opening a file > For temporary access.e  C      Get EXTRACT from Hunter's freeware site.  It will let you takeeF the first N records from a file, or N records from any starting point.E So ``EXTRACT/RECORD=(START='N',COUNT=1) SYS$PIPE:'' would do the maingD part of what you want.  But you won't be able to get anything into aE symbol directly via PIPE; such a symbol would exist in the subprocessaH used to handle ``|'' and disappear as soon as the PIPE command finished.E That's why solutions to this problem generally involve a logical namemE in the job table--it's something that a subprocess can manipulate andg0 the parent process can access after it finishes.  2                 Pat Rankin, rankin@pactechdata.com   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 00:09:35 -0800% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)a7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2n= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0302250009.6fb7b4ad@posting.google.com>C  e Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote in message news:<BA800D86.4F08%JCam90502@jcameron.com>...U > Part 1 > H > This should be a simple question, but I dont know how to do it. And I  > thought I was a VMS expert ... >  > $TYPE/TAIL=n filename. > / > Displays the last "n" lines in a file. Great!s > & > How do you type the first "n" lines? > M > I'm not doing this interactively, so dont tell me /PAGE because it must beuD > done in a PIPE command to pass only the first n lines of the file. >  > Part 2 > N > That turns out to be only half the problem. I need to get that result into aJ > dcl symbol. For example. Even though this does not work, you can get the" > just of what I am trying to do : > G > $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$INPUT FIRSTLINEv >  > Or > F > $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINE > E > I would like to do this without opening and writing a file to disk.r   A way to do this:w  @ $ pipe show system | ( read sys$pipe line ; def/job line &line )    E Then you have a JOB logical name LINE wich contains the first line ofmD the output of SHOW SYSTEM. There is no need to insert a pipe segment? to only pass the first line because the rest is simply ignored.n  ! Note the & substitution operator.o   HTH,  	 Bart Zorne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:55:55 +0100r: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2e/ Message-ID: <b3f7d9$e8g1@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>N   Jeff Cameron schrieb:  > Part 1 > H > This should be a simple question, but I dont know how to do it. And I  > thought I was a VMS expert ... >  > $TYPE/TAIL=n filenamed > / > Displays the last "n" lines in a file. Great!  > & > How do you type the first "n" lines? > M > I'm not doing this interactively, so dont tell me /PAGE because it must beFD > done in a PIPE command to pass only the first n lines of the file. >  > Part 2 > N > That turns out to be only half the problem. I need to get that result into aJ > dcl symbol. For example. Even though this does not work, you can get the" > just of what I am trying to do : > G > $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$INPUT FIRSTLINEi >  > Or > F > $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINE > E > I would like to do this without opening and writing a file to disk.n > C We use an utility called EXTRACT (by Pat Rankin) which among other oI things can extract record from the beginning (EXTRACT/HEAD=n). But it is e
 not pure VMS.    Here is the ZIP-Info:.    . EXTRACT V1.6   - Extract records from VMS file Written by Pat Rankin2  * VAX binaries produced under VAX/VMS V5.5-20 Alpha binaries produced under OpenVMS Alpha V6.2  A EXTRACT is a VMS-specific utility for quickly selecting groups ofF@ records out of files.  It has options for choosing them from theF beginning via /HEAD=n, the middle via /RECORD=(START=m,END=n,COUNT=k),@ or the end via /TAIL=n.  Selected records can optionally undergoA various transformations such as alphabetic case conversion, whiteiB space condensation or tab expansion, translation between ASCII andB EBCDIC, or selection of specific sets of columns.  See extract.doc8 for more details or extract.hlp for full command syntax.  C EXTRACT can be defined as a native DCL command or used as a foreign3B command.  The source code is written in Fortran and should compileE as-is for either Alpha or VAX.  File access is accomplished by direct-A RMS calls rather than through the Fortran run-time library and is- generally quite fast.-   -- a  + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regardsi    Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.def- mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.deV   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:30:24 GMTe+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> 7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2d2 Message-ID: <BA80AFEF.4F7C%JCam90502@jcameron.com>   On 2/25/03 12:09 AM, in articlei< a98cd882.0302250009.6fb7b4ad@posting.google.com, "Bart Zorn" <Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl> wrote:  8 > Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote in message0 > news:<BA800D86.4F08%JCam90502@jcameron.com>...	 >> Part 1l >> oI >> This should be a simple question, but I dont know how to do it. And Ie! >> thought I was a VMS expert ...s >> - >> $TYPE/TAIL=n filename >>  0 >> Displays the last "n" lines in a file. Great! >> i' >> How do you type the first "n" lines?R >> DN >> I'm not doing this interactively, so dont tell me /PAGE because it must beE >> done in a PIPE command to pass only the first n lines of the file.m >> t	 >> Part 2i >>  O >> That turns out to be only half the problem. I need to get that result into a K >> dcl symbol. For example. Even though this does not work, you can get thee# >> just of what I am trying to do :e >> eH >> $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$INPUT FIRSTLINE >> n >> Orf >>  G >> $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINEt >>  F >> I would like to do this without opening and writing a file to disk. >  > A way to do this:l > B > $ pipe show system | ( read sys$pipe line ; def/job line &line ) >  > G > Then you have a JOB logical name LINE wich contains the first line of F > the output of SHOW SYSTEM. There is no need to insert a pipe segmentA > to only pass the first line because the rest is simply ignored.  > # > Note the & substitution operator.b >  > HTH, >  > Bart Zorn3  Bart,  B Thank you very much. This seems to be the closest I'm gonna get. I Tried the following,? $ pipe show system | ( read sys$pipe line ; newline :== &line )>B In hopes that newline would hang around being a global symbol, but< It didn't, so the best I can do is a VMS two line solution :  8 $ pipe xdpyinfo | sear sys$input "number of screens" | -,  ( read sys$pipe line ; def/job line &line ) $ y = f$trnlnm("line")   To UNIX's one :o? set y = `xdpyinfo | grep "number of screens" | cut -d' '  -f 4`    Thank you very much.   And thanks to all who helped.    Jeff   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 07:46:19 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2s3 Message-ID: <X7MtUOzZuhgR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <BA800D86.4F08%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:G > $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$INPUT FIRSTLINEr   $ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | -   ( READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINE ; -D(     DEFINE /JOB FIRSTLINE &FIRSTLINE ; -;     COPY SYS$PIPE NL: ) ; -		! Optional.  Works without it.t-   FIRSTLINE = F$TRNLNM("FIRSTLINE","LNM$JOB")t $ SHOW SYM FIRSTLINE[   FIRSTLINE = "OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node ALPHA  25-FEB-2003 08:40:31.13  Uptime  42 01:27:55"r  H As has been discussed previously on this thread, you need something likeH the job name table trickery to get the symbol promoted out of subprocess3 context back into visibility in the parent process.-   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 07:53:52 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2a3 Message-ID: <uoDeiL5w0Xch@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  ` In article <BA800D86.4F08%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes: > N > That turns out to be only half the problem. I need to get that result into aJ > dcl symbol. For example. Even though this does not work, you can get the" > just of what I am trying to do : > G > $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$INPUT FIRSTLINE  >  > Or > F > $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINE >   )   You want the first line of show system?   G   $pipe show system | ( read sys$input line ; define/job result &line )e  D   That get's it into a job logical name, close enough?  You can use .   f$trnlnm to get it into a symbol from there.  7   Now if you wanted line 2, you might need a .com file.i   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:27:44 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2t; Message-ID: <01KSUYOYXKYA9GVT85@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>,  + >   You want the first line of show system?m > I >   $pipe show system | ( read sys$input line ; define/job result &line )  > F >   That get's it into a job logical name, close enough?  You can use 0 >   f$trnlnm to get it into a symbol from there.  < If you REALLY need just the first line of show system, then    $  SHOW SYSTEM/NOPROC:   :-)d   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:08:35 +0000 (UTC)n, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2-. Message-ID: <b3g4e3$5ql$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes in article <BA800D86.4F08%JCam90502@jcameron.com> dated Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:57:28 GMT: E >$PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINEt >OD >I would like to do this without opening and writing a file to disk.   This should work.'  + $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINEs  B Unless you have some other requirements you haven't told us about.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgu> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 12:15:34 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org7 Subject: Re: Type the beginning of a file only - Part 2s3 Message-ID: <voL$J5Wm1YGi@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  ] In article <b3g4e3$5ql$2@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:  > Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes in article <BA800D86.4F08%JCam90502@jcameron.com> dated Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:57:28 GMT:@F >>$PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | TYPE/FIRST=1 SYS$INPUT | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINE >>E >>I would like to do this without opening and writing a file to disk.n >  > This should work.. > - > $PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | READ SYS$PIPE FIRSTLINEd > D > Unless you have some other requirements you haven't told us about.  C You should know that the "|" connector in PIPE causes the connectedsD commands to run in the context of subprocesses.  And as you probablyC already know, DCL symbols in a subprocess aren't directly acessible G in the parent process.  Especially after the subprocess has terminated.e   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:54:05 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?/ Message-ID: <3E5B04E2.D3BA7B54@vl.videotron.ca>f   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:G > What do I do with this? EDIT/TPU  /init=? /com=? /sec=? what?! How doh > you run this?s    Ok, here is it in simpler terms:  I $write sys$poutput "Replacing vanilla with chocolate in file ''the_file'"p $!1 $editx/tpu/nodisplay /command=sys$input 'the_filen& 	eve_replace("vanilla", "chocolate") ; 	exit; $! $write sys$output "Done"  N But TPU is far more powerful, allowing, for instance the use of FAO directives- instead of either strings in the eve_replace.>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:04:56 -0400c0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?/ Message-ID: <3E5B1576.6809D35E@vl.videotron.ca>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:B >> not insist I type case-independent search strings in lowercase?   set find case noexact/exacts  ' > emulate EDT's SET NOTRUNCATE feature?w  N On decwindows, you don't need this because you can use the window scrolling to$ move to the right to see long lines.  H On VT terminals, you can define keys SHIFT RIGHT 40 and SHIFT LEFT 40 to8 simulate the left/right widnows scrolling of decwindows.   > stay in line mode?   edit/tpu/nodisplay  D > And if you *can* customize TPU to do any of these things, how long+ > would it take and how well would it work?r   HELP >
 HELP TPU ?  4 DID SYS$EXAMPLES:*.TPU gives you plenty of examples.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:46:01 -0000 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?6 Message-ID: <b3fl5m$1m02kr$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>  4 "Don Sykes" <anonymous@pacbell.net> wrote in message% news:3E5AC92B.3751044F@pacbell.net...i >l > >m6 > > avoid reading the entire file into virtual memory?H > No. But that's not always so great. If I'm editing a big file and wantH > to go to the end, or do a search, I still have to wait for EDT to read7 > it all in. So why not do it all up front? (retorical)  >e  K Try doing this with a file bigger than the sum total of your pagefile quotao and WSMAX... It hangs.J I once traced a system hang to a user with pagefile quota larger than halfL the total pagefile space who tried to use TPU to edit an enormous file, then8 when that hung he logged in elsewhere and tried again...3 We fixed it, but his IT director was not amused :-)d     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net  http://www.travell.uk.net/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:01:11 -0500-2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2502030801120001@user-uinj4k9.dialup.mindspring.com>  > In article <NdKcnSpeTebkdsejXTWc3g@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:X  ; >"Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> wrote in messaged9 >news:Xns932CD7FB2AEC1kenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241...w >t >... >iK >> I also downloaded the presentation and looked at it. Starting on Page 10nJ >> of the presentation and going forward, almost every page has a timelineH >> that ends at 2006. To the right of the 2006 is a right pointing arrow* >> which, to me, indicates more to come... >oK >Indeed, I do not expect time to stop after 2006 either:  what I find a bittD >ominous is that there's no indication of any *specific* VMS-relatedM >development planned after early 2005 (yes, there's the "on-going enhancmentsgD >blah blah blah" boilerplate, but that doesn't exactly reassure me).  F The obvious (and correct) explanation is that VMS Engineering does not) schedule specific work so far in advance.t   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 05:00:47 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0302250500.771bb7cc@posting.google.com>m  g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E5B04E2.D3BA7B54@vl.videotron.ca>...m > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:I > > What do I do with this? EDIT/TPU  /init=? /com=? /sec=? what?! How do  > > you run this?  > " > Ok, here is it in simpler terms: > K > $write sys$poutput "Replacing vanilla with chocolate in file ''the_file'"h > $!3 > $editx/tpu/nodisplay /command=sys$input 'the_file ( > 	eve_replace("vanilla", "chocolate") ; > 	exit; > $! > $write sys$output "Done"  > Thank you for finally making it clear. This is more typing andC shifting than EDT. It also requires more time because it is not the A least bit obvious how you get from the "Command:"-mode command toe, this. It is only fair to show all the steps.  P > But TPU is far more powerful, allowing, for instance the use of FAO directives/ > instead of either strings in the eve_replace.   C Like I said, for I think the third time, TPU is a rocket ship beings/ recommended for just getting across the street.i  = Do you know how many times I ever needed to do a substitutionu involving FAO directives?l   ZERO!u  ) Do you know how many times EVE is a pain?l   Almost every time!  = Actually, I could write some not terribly complex DCL code tomD accomplish the same thing with EDT. And that's fair!!! TPU advocates9 always say, "Well, you can write some code to do it!" :-)t       ---- o ----r  A I NEVER SAID THAT TPU ISN'T MORE POWERFUL. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITHeE THAT. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. NO ONE CONTESTS THAT. BUT MOST OF THE TIME E I DON'T NEED THAT POWER AND IT JUST GETS IN ITS OWN WAY FOR DOING THEUC SIMPLE THINGS I DO MOST OF THE TIME. IF I HAVE A TASK FOR WHICH EDTMD DOESN'T SUFFICE, I'LL TRY EVE/TPU OR I'LL WRITE SOME DCL CODE. OKAY?? BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME THAT ISN'T THE CASE. KAPEESH?u  C It is more powerful, but it is far more complex, requires more timeN= reading the manual, requires more time programming, more timenE debugging, *much* more time waiting for a few simple INIT commands too6 run, more time waiting for the file to load, than EDT.  D Have you read my other posts on this topic? Especially about writing: the paste (excuse me, the "Insert Here") buffer to a file?  E And *STILL* no one has shown us how you can list key definitions that F you set up via LEARN and possibly saved in a section file. Suppose youF have such a section file, and you forget some of your key definitions.A How the hell are you going to list them? Huh? I know, spend a few7$ hours writing yet more TPU programs.  & And TPU can't do EDT's SET NOTRUNCATE.       ---- o ----w  D TPU has its place. But for me, that place is not day-to-day editing.   Have I made myself clear? :-)8   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmano   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 06:33:42 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0302250633.525b640d@posting.google.com>   Z Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<3E5AC92B.3751044F@pacbell.net>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > ^ > > Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<3E5A71B8.B80CB668@pacbell.net>... > > > Bob Willard wrote: > > > >e > > > > Don Sykes wrote:O > > > > > I often hear the "EDT is better" stuff, but I can't think of a single N > > > > > thing that EDT can do that I can't do with my customized TPU editor. > > > >rK > > > > And I can't think of a single thing that EDT can do that I can't dowH > > > > with a few hundred lines of FORTRAN, supplemented by a few MACROF > > > > subroutines, and invoked from a few dozen lines of DCL.  Phew. > > > >aJ > > > > ISTR wasting lots of night/weekend time customizing TPU to do whatF > > > > EDT did out of the box.  The fact that EDT is a canned app can > > > > save a lot of time._
 > > > > --J > > > Good point I think, but the source TPU for many editors is available    Yes, and it's a damn good point!  J > > The source for EDT is not available. Where are the line mode commands?A > > Where are the nokeypad commands? Yes, the full screen mode isW* > > emulated, but that's only part of EDT. > > N > > > and, because it's TPU it's EXTENSIBLE. You can just add on and customize > > J > > I think his point was that he doesn't want to customize TPU to do whatE > > he already has in EDT. And that was only *one* of my many points.D > >  > > You can also customize EDT.n > > L > > > it. EDT is fine, for line editing, but it's limited, especially in the > > > screen handling area.e > >  > > Can you customize TPU to...t > > ; > > display the key definitions you typed in using "LEARN"?n > yes.   How?  & > > emulate EDT's ALL range-specifier? > yes.  E I already have it with EDT. And how much time do you have to waste toa	 write it?j  @ > > edit fixed-width-record files without converting the file to! > > variable-length-record files?c/ > No. At least not with native functions AFAIK.2  E Well, I have some fixed-width-record files to maintain. I'll use EDT.   A > > eliminate the spastic cursor movements when deleting words or. > > characters?e) > I still don't see those with my editor.   E Well, some of us do. The cursor is always bouncing over to the end ofo' the line and back when you delete. Why?a  . > > eliminate the spastic find next movements? > Again I no see.i  D I can't believe you don't get this. The highlighted search string inC the file appears in a different screen coordinate with every press.sD First it might appear 4 lines from the top of the screen. Press FindA Next again and it appears 4 lines from the bottom. Then top, thenpE bottom. I find it very irritating. It depends heavily on the contentsu of the file.  6 > > avoid reading the entire file into virtual memory?H > No. But that's not always so great. If I'm editing a big file and wantH > to go to the end, or do a search, I still have to wait for EDT to read8 > it all in. So why not do it all up front? (retorical)   
 Point for me.S  C > > not insist I type case-independent search strings in lowercase?  > yes.  @ PLEASE DO TELL US THE SECRET INCANTATIONS! You TPU advocates areF always saying how great TPU is, and you tell us all these great thingsF it can do, but you never show us how! "You can write a program!" Well,D you can write an operating system too, but what good is that? And onF those few occasions where you do show us how, it's always some snippetF that's no good by itself. Or it's some lengthy, uncommented, code likeE what JF recently posted. I don't even know what that code is supposedVF to do and I don't want to have to bother to figure it out. What is the@ point? I mean, it's like he's saying, "Here is some uncommented,E incomprehensible code to demonstrate my point about how wonderful TPU  is."  F TPU advocacy is like an advertisement where there's always a catch. ItF sounds great at first, but then once you buy the product, you find outB it's not so great. A lot more than the batteries are not included.' Parts not included, just raw materials.-  A > > not take 2 to 3 seconds to process 11 lines of init commands?e  > I still don't see that either.  D Here's the code. Maybe it's a bad interaction with SmarTerm. I don'tC know. But EDT never has these bad interactions. Maybe it's just oneoD bad command among these. Can you tell me which? I'd guess the first.; I'll try deleting that since it doesn't apply to me anyway.i  > TPU IF GET_INFO (SCREEN, "MOTIF") THEN SET (MOUSE,ON) ELSE SET (MOUSE,OFF) ENDIF ! ! DEF KEY=CONTROL-B SET WIDTH 132e  ! DEF KEY=CONTROL-N SET WIDTH 80 DEF KEY=F8 QUITl DEF KEY=GOLD-E EXITt DEF KEY=GOLD-Q QUIT 6 DEF KEY=GOLD-X TPU WRITE_FILE (SELECT_RANGE,"TMP.TMP")! DEF KEY=GOLD-LEFT  "SHIFT LEFT 8" " DEF KEY=GOLD-RIGHT "SHIFT RIGHT 8" SET CURSOR BOUND SET NOEXIT ATTRIBUTE CHECK SET SCROLL MARGIN 33% 33%l
 SET NOWRAP  @ > > not to produce an annoying spasmodic display while doing so? > ditto above.  @ Well, it does for me. I have SmarTerm 9.0a; WNT 4.0 SP6; TCPware. 5.3-3; MicroVAX 3100 80, 90, 95; VMS 6.1, 6.2.  ) > > emulate EDT's SET NOTRUNCATE feature?e > Yes.  D How, and how well does it work? I find this one particularly hard toD believe as this question has come up before several times (guess whoD brought it up! :-) and no one had a solution. Let's see it. I reallyF find this one hard to believe. We're not talking SET WRAP here. That's not the same thing.    > > stay in line mode? > Yes.   How?  F > > And if you *can* customize TPU to do any of these things, how long- > > would it take and how well would it work?OF > Depends on your skills, but once done, you shouldn't have to do themB > again and you'd wind up with a super set of EDT + all the screen > features of TPU!  C But once done -- that's the showstopper. I don't have the time. EDTrD already does 99% of what I need. So the very few times I need more I! either use TPU or write some DCL.   D Yes, you can have this great car. Well, uh, you just get a basic carC to start, but you get a kit that enables you to turn it into a realeF luxury car! Yeah, it'll take up the next 5 years of your weekends, butF once it's done, you'll have your basic car, plus everything you wanted? in a luxury car! Of course, to steer the car, you'll have presscD several buttons every time. Step on the brakes? First you'll have to- answer some questions about stopping the car.P  @ Yes, you can have this great new operating system. And it can doD host-based volume shadowing and full-blown VMSclustering! But you'llC have to write the shadowing and clustering code yourself. Have fun.T   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:52:01 -08006' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> ( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?8 Message-ID: <20030225085201.4771fe0e.mathog@caltech.edu>  ( On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:05:40 +0100 (MET): Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  F > > I'd be happy if they'd just give EDT the capability to use all theE > > lines on the screen instead of the 24 it currently does. And as an< > > bonus, the ability to work with files with long records.  C I stopped using EDT, and eve/tpu even when we still had VMS systemsa? and went with nedit instead.  It's no good for batch operationscC but for everything else it's way more than good enough.  The column = operations are particularly easy to use, which is a big thing-= here since a lot of our data is column oriented.  It has nice D language sensitive highlighting for C,fortran, etc.  For rearranging5 columns I used Pat Rankin's extract on VMS and now ono@ linux/Unix/windows, my own "extract" program, written to provideC the functionality  (mostly) of the original VMS variant, from here:r  ;  ftp://saf.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/linux_or_unix_toolsi  @ Probably my extract would work on VMS too for most things but itA doesn't grok RMS. For mass search and replace there's always sed.o  E And since this has wandered way off topic from the Subject I'll throweE in that "spiff" can be used for finding numeric differences in files,pG something I could never do by any method on VMS.  A recent port of thisuG very old code to a more modern coding style (so that it will build withoF an ANSI C compiler) is available in the above directory.  Spiff can beE set to consider 1.59 and 1.60 as "the same", but 1.65 as "different". F It can look for ratio differences and/or absolute differeces.  This is9 a function that no diff I've ever seen can perform.  It's D exceedingly useful when looking through large text numeric dumps forC data values which have jumped too much when, for instance, noise isu introduced into the input data.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  6 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:55 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)9 From: duncan@macdonald.compulink.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald)e( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?A Message-ID: <memo.20030225175555.1776A@macdonald.compulink.co.uk>"    i  Don Sykes wrote:"H  > I often hear the "EDT is better" stuff, but I can't think of a singleG  > thing that EDT can do that I can't do with my customized TPU editor.0  N One useful thing about EDT is that it can be used (in line mode) on a minimal K boot (e.g. where SYLOGICALS.COM has errors so that you have to use the SET tP /STARTUP OPA0: trick to get in to fix your mess). EDT can be used on the "glass < teletype" mode console - TPU wants at least VT100 emulation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:13:34 +0100y From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>3 Subject: Re: What type of memory does PWS 500A use?e3 Message-ID: <sHE6a.38466$I6.5945134@zwoll1.home.nl>e   Bill McLaughlin wrote:G > I am looking at buying a PWS 500a for personal use due to the expenseHG > of upgrading the memory in my AS500. Does anyone know what the memoryoA > spec's are for the PWS 500? Normally, I would just go to Island D > Computer. However, due to my current financial situation, I reallyD > need to find some cheaper "generic" memory if possible. I was toldH > that these systems use ECC PC100 memory. However, there are variationsE > within that (registered, etc.) that I am not sure about. Also, doeshE > this box require that it be installed in pairs or fours? Also, doesc) > the Qlogic SCSI controller support VMS?u > G > I need a machine with an asolute minimum of 512MB although 768 or 1GBo+ > would be better. It just depends on cost.f > H > If anyone has experience with these machines, any suggestions would be > appreciated. > 	 > Thanks.r > Bill McLaughlino  O For the maximum 1 GB that is supported with VMS you need 4 pieces of 256MB ECC fO DIMMs. 66 or 100 MHz (133 MHz is to fast it seems), CL222. It does not have to  P be registered DIMM. My PWS500 works fine with them. Keep in mind that two DIMMs N will make up one bank, and always use the same brand/type of DIMM in one bank.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2003 07:41:54 -0800( From: gtackett@yahoo.com (Galen Tackett)% Subject: Where to get a recent Emacs?4< Message-ID: <1579dafc.0302250741.6503696@posting.google.com>  C Is there somewhere within the US where I can download an Emacs thatMC will work with OpenVMS V5.3-1 on Alpha? I can't get to the official ? mirrors at MIT and in Sweden(?) and Japan, for some reason, but 1 perhaps there's another stateside site I can try.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:42:32 +0200t" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>6 Subject: Re: [CDU] Compiler doesn't work over DECnet ?& Message-ID: <3E5B3A88.99521E23@hp.com>   Peter,  P Please escalate this to your local support center to escalate the problem to VMS engineering.H It looks like CDU is using RMS function which is not supported in DECNET operations.m  < Out of interest, when was the last time this command worked?   Guyr   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  K > I recently found a bug again which I already discovered many years ago...o >mN > A SET COMMAND/OBJECT of a DECnet served source file (via SET DEFAULT node::)J > produces a 0 byte object file without any error message. And it makes noA > difference if you do it from VAX to Alpha or from Alpha to VAX.n >s5 > Has anyone a good explaination for this behaviour ?n: > And more important, can anyone (Guy ?) fix it, please... >nL > Background: I've an Alpha where I setup a source directory and a VAX whichL > is currently not clustered to the Alpha. I wanted to update JUMP from V3.0J > to V4.2 (yes, I know, months too late) and ran @BUILD_JUMP on the Alpha.L > All was smooth and well. Then I did a SET DEFAULT alpha::source-dir on theM > VAX and ran @BUILD_JUMP on the VAX. LINK gave an undefined symbol JUMP_CLD.iK > And that was because the .OBJ of the SET COMM/OBJ JUMP_CLD.CLD was empty.n >.
 > Many TIA >t > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERn' > Network and OpenVMS system specialistt > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:47:46 +0200m" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>6 Subject: Re: [CDU] Compiler doesn't work over DECnet ?& Message-ID: <3E5B49D1.1F5156BC@hp.com>   Peter,  P Please escalate this to your local support center to escalate the problem to VMS engineering.H It looks like CDU is using RMS function which is not supported in DECNET operations.s  < Out of interest, when was the last time this command worked?   Guyp   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  K > I recently found a bug again which I already discovered many years ago...e >5N > A SET COMMAND/OBJECT of a DECnet served source file (via SET DEFAULT node::)J > produces a 0 byte object file without any error message. And it makes noA > difference if you do it from VAX to Alpha or from Alpha to VAX.E >05 > Has anyone a good explaination for this behaviour ?n: > And more important, can anyone (Guy ?) fix it, please... >aL > Background: I've an Alpha where I setup a source directory and a VAX whichL > is currently not clustered to the Alpha. I wanted to update JUMP from V3.0J > to V4.2 (yes, I know, months too late) and ran @BUILD_JUMP on the Alpha.L > All was smooth and well. Then I did a SET DEFAULT alpha::source-dir on theM > VAX and ran @BUILD_JUMP on the VAX. LINK gave an undefined symbol JUMP_CLD.-K > And that was because the .OBJ of the SET COMM/OBJ JUMP_CLD.CLD was empty.1 > 
 > Many TIA >S > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERE' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:10:37 +0200n" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>6 Subject: Re: [CDU] Compiler doesn't work over DECnet ?& Message-ID: <3E5B5D3C.AAB74532@hp.com>   Peter,  P Please escalate this to your local support center to escalate the problem to VMS engineering.H It looks like CDU is using RMS function which is not supported in DECNET operations.J  < Out of interest, when was the last time this command worked?   Guyr   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  K > I recently found a bug again which I already discovered many years ago...  >WN > A SET COMMAND/OBJECT of a DECnet served source file (via SET DEFAULT node::)J > produces a 0 byte object file without any error message. And it makes noA > difference if you do it from VAX to Alpha or from Alpha to VAX.J >a5 > Has anyone a good explaination for this behaviour ?3: > And more important, can anyone (Guy ?) fix it, please... >tL > Background: I've an Alpha where I setup a source directory and a VAX whichL > is currently not clustered to the Alpha. I wanted to update JUMP from V3.0J > to V4.2 (yes, I know, months too late) and ran @BUILD_JUMP on the Alpha.L > All was smooth and well. Then I did a SET DEFAULT alpha::source-dir on theM > VAX and ran @BUILD_JUMP on the VAX. LINK gave an undefined symbol JUMP_CLD. K > And that was because the .OBJ of the SET COMM/OBJ JUMP_CLD.CLD was empty.  >o
 > Many TIA >r > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERs' > Network and OpenVMS system specialisti > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:06:46 -040010 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>7 Subject: Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?e/ Message-ID: <3E5B15E4.4C95CA0D@vl.videotron.ca>f   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:K > 1) Not on VAX.  It's not on VAX because the changes are rather large, anda+ > the VAX base doesn't need any instability     I Isn't a non trivial proportion of workstations VAX ? (used as glorified Xl terminals) ?????   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:04:11 -0500-A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> 7 Subject: Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?D, Message-ID: <3e5ba20b_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  J That's hard to say.  They are very slow by todays standards.  In any case,K when used as a "X Terminal" the client library bits (which is where most of:1 the work was for V1.3) is not on the workstation..    = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagee) news:3E5B15E4.4C95CA0D@vl.videotron.ca...p > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:I > > 1) Not on VAX.  It's not on VAX because the changes are rather large,f andM- > > the VAX base doesn't need any instability  >u >iK > Isn't a non trivial proportion of workstations VAX ? (used as glorified Xb > terminals) ?????   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:11:36 GMT34 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>7 Subject: Re: [MOTIF V1.3] Someone already experiences ?o0 Message-ID: <3E808DBF.2DABFA83@blueyonder.co.uk>   JF Mezei wrote:m >  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > > 1) Not on VAX.  It's not on VAX because the changes are rather large, and - > > the VAX base doesn't need any instabilityo > K > Isn't a non trivial proportion of workstations VAX ? (used as glorified Xm > terminals) ?????  H If you just use your VAXStation as a glorified X-Terminal and can put upH with an old release of X (X11R3 I think), then you could consider using K EWS (standalone XServer), you will need a MOP load host on your LAN though.a   regardse -- f tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.110 ************************