/ INFO-VAX	Thu, 02 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 3       Contents:1 Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ... % Re: Cluster crash, ethernet problem ? 5 Re: Does TCP/IP Services' Traceroute Use UDP Packets? 5 Re: Does TCP/IP Services' Traceroute Use UDP Packets? 5 Re: Does TCP/IP Services' Traceroute Use UDP Packets?  FTP  Re: FTP  Re: FTP  RE: FTP  Re: FTP  Re: FTP  Re: is VMS really easy to use?2 Re: Managing increasing number of foreign commands2 Re: Managing increasing number of foreign commands1 Re: Of Galaxy, Infiniband and Distributed Caching  Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on a Multia 0 Problem protecting image sections in a shareable Re: SMTP mail: SFF facility  Re: SMTP mail: TFF facility  Re: VMS troubles Re: VMS troubles vt 525
 Re: vt 5251 Re: VT220/320 Terminal emulator for Linux client? 1 Re: VT220/320 Terminal emulator for Linux client? 1 Re: VT220/320 Terminal emulator for Linux client?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 13:08:00 -0800 1 From: Jason Brady <jrbrady@nospam.mindspring.com> : Subject: Re: "VMS will be around long after we retire" ...8 Message-ID: <36k61v0lmjn5kmrd4t6uifv40mb56f6kqa@4ax.com>  
 Mr. Sture,  @ I agree, and apologize to Mr. Mezei and you all for my choice ofF forceful language.  However, I maintain that derogatory comments about; any and all social groups have no place here.  Enough said.   A Back to our favorite subject, OpenVMS.  Does anyone know if HP is A actively promoting VMS in the Northwest U.S., particularly in the D Seattle area?  I also wonder if there are any VMS installations hereD in Micro$oft's back yard?  Plenty of IBM mainframe sites, probably a: few varieties of UNIX, but I haven't heard much about VMS.   Thanks,  Jason   @ On 31 Dec 02 23:06:06 +0100, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:   <snip> > 5 >Woah. Let's please stop this conversation right now.  > H >> I thought we are all I.T. professionals.  Let's stick with the topic,6 >> people, and leave our personal biases to ourselves. >>   > D >Well, you are the very first person here in the 5 years I have beenA >visiting comp.os.vms who has even broached the subject of sexual 
 >preferences.  > - >Or for that matter colour, race or religion.  > . >Please let us stick to technical discussions.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jan 2003 21:18:07 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) . Subject: Re: Cluster crash, ethernet problem ?= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0301012118.46d1e115@posting.google.com>   f JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E114386.4880721@vl.videotron.ca>...O > After a long while of the MAC sending to BIKE, VELO's OPCOM goes wild stating L > it has lost connection to BIKE. BIKE's screen doesn't show anything. A fewP > minutes later, BIKE decides to kill itself and reboots. ANA/ERROR reveals lost4 > connectivity betwene the two nodes. (eg: ethernet)  C Might be worth checking to see if you got saturation of the primary D CPU in interrupt state on node BIKE (watch $MONITOR MODES/CPU=0), orC something else (e.g. faulty hardware causing a continuous stream of D interrupts at device IPL) that would cause it to to hang above IPL 8D for a long time, preventing PEDRIVER from sending out Hello packets,E and causing node VELO to conclude it was gone, and remove it from the @ cluster after RECNXINTERVAL seconds -- then when connectivity isF restored, BIKE gets the bad news and does a CLUEXIT bugcheck to rejoin the cluster.  C You could raise RECNXINTERVAL (it's a dynamic parameter, so you can C even do this on-the-fly) to increase your chances of riding through # the problem while you troubleshoot.   @ If you ran DECamds or Availability Manager, you might be able toE monitor node BIKE remotely during the time leading up to the problem, $ and perhaps get some clues that way.  D To rule out network problems, you might try adding a 2nd LAN adapterB to nodes BIKE and VELO and connecting them with a crossover cable.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jan 2003 12:00:31 -0800 5 From: Craig A. Berry <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> > Subject: Re: Does TCP/IP Services' Traceroute Use UDP Packets?6 Message-ID: <20030101140031143-0600@news.telocity.com>  F In <XEoQ9.73688$6H6.2772914@twister.austin.rr.com> Jerry Leslie wrote:  A > A couple of months ago, I upgraded my Linksys BEFSR41 router's  ! > firmware to the 1.42.7 version.  > F > After the upgrade, everything works on the VAXStation, ftp, telnet, ! > smtp,  ping, except traceroute:   B I have the identical router and traceroute works fine for me with    $ tcpip show version  ?   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 1 ;   on a Digital Personal WorkStation  running OpenVMS V7.3-1   > BEFSR41 firmware 1.44.2.  I did have to enable OPER privilege.   I don't know if it's the newer firmware or the newer IP stack, but the firmware release notes do indicate fixes for traceroute in versions later than what you've got, so I'd start with that.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 21:32:33 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) > Subject: Re: Does TCP/IP Services' Traceroute Use UDP Packets?; Message-ID: <R7JQ9.78425$6H6.2930459@twister.austin.rr.com>   6 Craig A. Berry (craigberry@nospam.telocity.com) wrote: : D : I have the identical router and traceroute works fine for me with  :  : $ tcpip show version : A :   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 1 = :   on a Digital Personal WorkStation  running OpenVMS V7.3-1  : @ : BEFSR41 firmware 1.44.2.  I did have to enable OPER privilege. : E : I don't know if it's the newer firmware or the newer IP stack, but  J : the firmware release notes do indicate fixes for traceroute in versions 5 : later than what you've got, so I'd start with that.  :   0 The Linksys firmware upgrade to 1.44.2 fixed it:      $ ucx show version   A      Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V4.2 - ECO 3 1      on a VAXstation 4000-96 running OpenVMS V7.1   *    $ traceroute news-server.houston.rr.comK      traceroute to news-houston.austin.rr.com (24.28.95.150), 30 hops max,        40 byte packets5     1  leslie_cmts (10.48.160.1)  10 ms  10 ms  10 ms N     2  pos5-0.hstntxroy-rtr1.houston.rr.com (24.28.97.85)  20 ms  20 ms  10 msN     3  pos6-3.hstntxtid-rtr2.houston.rr.com (24.28.97.22)  10 ms  10 ms  10 msM     4  srp8-0.hstntxtid-rtr3.texas.rr.com (24.93.33.147)  10 ms  10 ms  10 ms L     5  srp8-0-hstntxtid-rtr4.texas.rr.com (24.93.33.148)  0 ms  20 ms  10 msL     6  pos2-3.austtxrdc-rtr3.texas.rr.com (24.93.33.70)  40 ms  30 ms  10 ms>     7  newsr1.texas.rr.com (24.28.95.150)  30 ms  10 ms  20 ms  " Thanks to everybody who responded.  2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 00:32:02 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> > Subject: Re: Does TCP/IP Services' Traceroute Use UDP Packets?2 Message-ID: <3E138849.6D7262CF@firstdbasource.com>   Jerry Leslie wrote:  >  <snip> > :  > 2 > The Linksys firmware upgrade to 1.44.2 fixed it: >    <snip>   $ > Thanks to everybody who responded. > 4 > --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own); >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email     G Thanks for the tip.. I also ugraded to 1.44.2 and it fixed mine as well # with no changes to the IP version.  7   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 6   on a AlphaServer 2100 4/200 running OpenVMS V7.2-1    C Just about time to upgrade to 7.3-1 and TCPIP 5.3-1  Judging by the F performance improvements at my real job, it will make this little 2100 fly.  $ My Caldera Linux 2.3 also works now.   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:10:08 +0100" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: FTP5 Message-ID: <auvsgh$aoltg$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   4 The FTP service on my AXP/VMS system is not enabled: TCPIP> sho ver  5 Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1   ; on a DIGITAL Server 5000 Model 5305 6P running OpenVMS V7.3    TCPIP> sho serv     ( Service Port Proto Process Address State    * FINGER 79 TCP TCPIP$FINGER 0.0.0.0 Enabled  % FTP 21 TCP TCPIP$FTP 0.0.0.0 Disabled   . MOUNT 10 TCP,UDP TCPIP$MOUNTD 0.0.0.0 Disabled  ' NFS 2049 UDP TCPIP$NFS 0.0.0.0 Disabled   3 PORTMAPPER 111 TCP,UDP TCPIP$PORTM 0.0.0.0 Disabled   ) TELNET 23 TCP not defined 0.0.0.0 Enabled    TCPIP> ena service ftp   TCPIP> sho serv     ( Service Port Proto Process Address State    * FINGER 79 TCP TCPIP$FINGER 0.0.0.0 Enabled  % FTP 21 TCP TCPIP$FTP 0.0.0.0 Disabled   . MOUNT 10 TCP,UDP TCPIP$MOUNTD 0.0.0.0 Disabled  ' NFS 2049 UDP TCPIP$NFS 0.0.0.0 Disabled   3 PORTMAPPER 111 TCP,UDP TCPIP$PORTM 0.0.0.0 Disabled   ) TELNET 23 TCP not defined 0.0.0.0 Enabled    TCPIP>      L Telnet, outbound FTP (the client) work fine. It is just that the system will' not function as a server.  Suggestions?    Hans   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:05:14 +0100" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: FTP5 Message-ID: <auvvo4$apden$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   F "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.homeportal.2wire.net> schreef in bericht( news:lTKQ9.590555$NH2.40243@sccrnsc01...D > In article <auvsgh$aoltg$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes: 7 > >The FTP service on my AXP/VMS system is not enabled:  > 
 > Hi Hans, > < > Is there any reason you cannot use the configuration menu: >  > @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG  > J > rather than using the commands listed below?  I've found the menu easier to useK > (options 2 and 3, I think, are the ones for configuring client and server  > services) than the commands. > K > Of course, the commands should work, as specified in the on-line help and  the I > manuals (I haven't used TCP/Ip services in a month, so my recall of the  > commands could be rusty).  > # > <commands snipped for brevity...>   	 Bradford,   J the command procedure (@SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG) was used to configure IPH in the first place. First the core options, next the server options (the* client components get configured as well).C After that, the TCPIP services were started (option 6). In fact the K procedure was identical to what I've been doing on VAX/VMS systems. But for ' some strange reason FTP does not start. L Is there a security issue on AXP/VMS that does not exist on VAX/VMS, or uses a different default value?   Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 02:12:15 GMT 7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)  Subject: Re: FTP/ Message-ID: <3eNQ9.525009$WL3.139196@rwcrnsc54>   Z In article <auvvo4$apden$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes: <snip> > 
 >Bradford, > K >the command procedure (@SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG) was used to configure IP I >in the first place. First the core options, next the server options (the + >client components get configured as well). D >After that, the TCPIP services were started (option 6). In fact theL >procedure was identical to what I've been doing on VAX/VMS systems. But for( >some strange reason FTP does not start.M >Is there a security issue on AXP/VMS that does not exist on VAX/VMS, or uses  >a different default value?  >  >Hans  >   8 Looks like you've done things correctly, so I'm puzzled.  K If your AXP box is non-production/mission-critical, can you stand taking it J offline fo a bit?  If so, you could delete the CONFIGURATION.DAT file, andM configure from scratch.  I've had to do that with TCP/IP Services a couple of O times, when I messed up the configuration (please note that I am not suggesting  that you messed up!).   J I also found V5.3 to be "better" that either V5.0 and 5.1 - do you have an option to use 5.3?0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbo.cPoSM		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:10:58 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: FTP9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEGOGFAA.tom@kednos.com>    Why not install hgftp?   >-----Original Message----- ( >From: Hans Vlems [mailto:hvlems@iae.nl]* >Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 4:05 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: FTP  >  >  > G >"Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.homeportal.2wire.net> schreef in bericht ) >news:lTKQ9.590555$NH2.40243@sccrnsc01... E >> In article <auvsgh$aoltg$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems"  ><hvlems@iae.nl> writes:8 >> >The FTP service on my AXP/VMS system is not enabled: >> >> Hi Hans,  >>= >> Is there any reason you cannot use the configuration menu:  >> >> @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG >>K >> rather than using the commands listed below?  I've found the menu easier  >to use L >> (options 2 and 3, I think, are the ones for configuring client and server >> services) than the commands.  >>L >> Of course, the commands should work, as specified in the on-line help and >theJ >> manuals (I haven't used TCP/Ip services in a month, so my recall of the >> commands could be rusty). >>$ >> <commands snipped for brevity...> > 
 >Bradford, > K >the command procedure (@SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG) was used to configure IP I >in the first place. First the core options, next the server options (the + >client components get configured as well). D >After that, the TCPIP services were started (option 6). In fact theL >procedure was identical to what I've been doing on VAX/VMS systems. But for( >some strange reason FTP does not start.< >Is there a security issue on AXP/VMS that does not exist on >VAX/VMS, or uses  >a different default value?  >  >Hans  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/2002    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:09:48 +0100" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: FTP5 Message-ID: <av0ai5$asocj$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   F "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.homeportal.2wire.net> schreef in bericht) news:3eNQ9.525009$WL3.139196@rwcrnsc54... D > In article <auvvo4$apden$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  > <snip> > : > Looks like you've done things correctly, so I'm puzzled.   Ah, I recognize the feeling :-)  > J > If your AXP box is non-production/mission-critical, can you stand taking itL > offline fo a bit?  If so, you could delete the CONFIGURATION.DAT file, andL > configure from scratch.  I've had to do that with TCP/IP Services a couple ofF > times, when I messed up the configuration (please note that I am not
 suggesting > that you messed up!).  > G It's not production critical at all. But I already went down that road: H renamed all TCPIP$*.DAT files in SYS$SYSTEM to DAT_ORG and reconfigured. Same result.  L > I also found V5.3 to be "better" that either V5.0 and 5.1 - do you have an > option to use 5.3?  L No, I have one set of cd's for AXP layered products and AXP/VMS so I'm stuck	 with 5.1. I There's one thing that surproses me though. The TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP routine H executes the same command: TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE FTP and reports that the service is started. : The TCPIP SHOW SERVICES command shows that FTP is stopped.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 00:56:45 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: FTP. Message-ID: <3E13C68C.328844A@vl.videotron.ca>   Hans Vlems wrote: ' > FTP 21 TCP TCPIP$FTP 0.0.0.0 Disabled  > TCPIP> ena service ftp' > FTP 21 TCP TCPIP$FTP 0.0.0.0 Disabled     J You will probably find that in between the enable service FTP and the showJ service, some OPCOM messages were issued as the FTP server failed to startI properly and the TCPIP services decided to disable the service instead of   constantly trying to restart it.  M You need to find configure the FTP service (@TCPIP$cONFIG in SYS$MANABER). If L it is already configured, you might want to first start the service with theL @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$FTP_STARTUP (I think) which will install the proeprimages# with the proper privileges etc etc.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jan 2003 11:51:51 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)' Subject: Re: is VMS really easy to use? < Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301011151.39ac8c2@posting.google.com>  e bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<autbcu$9u1ae$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>... ( > In article <3E121AF2.36384DC@fsi.net>,6 > 	"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >>   [...]  > >> People M > >> here think that the use of HELP instead of "man" is somehow more logical  > >> for the un-initiated.   >  > VMS wins this round.  D I agree. Consider the following: You are new to a computer. You needB to do something and you don't know how to do it, or you are havingC trouble trying to do something. What would most users think: 1.) "I D need help." or 2.) "I need man."? Well, I bet most users would thinkD choice '1.)' even if it weren't multiple choice. Now, how many would@ actually type HELP and press Return? That's another question and1 depends on what type of people you have selected.    I > > I would think that if even if one got fed up and typed commands like:  > > & > > sh$ man this a crock-of-spit o.s.! > ! > %man this a crock-of-spit o.s.!  > No manual entry for this > No manual entry for a # > No manual entry for crock-of-spit  > No manual entry for o.s.!   C And here you are left with guessing what entry to look up. Not much  "help" at all.   [...] * > $ HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS BLASTED THING! > ? >   Sorry, no documentation on ME UNDERSTAND THIS BLASTED THING  > % >   Additional information available:  > I >   :=         =          @          ACCOUNTING ACL_Editor ACS        ADA O >   ADVISE     ALLOCATE   ANALYZE    APPEND     ASSIGN     ATTACH     AUTHORIZE ' [... lots of other entries snipped ...] M >   FDL_Files  FDL_Routines          FINGER     FLOWGRAPH  FONT       FORTRAN J >   FTP        FTP_overview          GENCAT     GOSUB      GOTO       HELP [...]  > Press RETURN to continue ...  C And you immediately get a list of commands and all the other topics : available. Seems to me that that's much better than "man".  ? > > ...one would eventually get a clue that would prove useful.   > Eventually? You get a list of all available topics! A table of2 contents, if you will. Yes, I'd say that's a clue.  5 > >> Guess what, when I go to the library and need to L > >> find something I may not look it up in the "man" file, but I also don'tJ > >> look it up in the HELP file. I use a card catalog.  So why then isn'tG > >> the VMS HELP system called the card catalog??  Seems that would be / > >> more intuitive to the non-computer expert.   @ Why isn't the VMS HELP system called the card catalog? Uh, maybeC because VMS is not a library? And by this library analogy, the help @ desk would be called the information booth (or information desk,? perhaps). Next you'll be suggesting a Windows icon be named "My E Computer" or "Computers around me". I suppose you could put a sticker # on your shoes that says "My Shoes"!   L > > ...assuming one knows that the card catalog is the "key" to the library. > H > More proof of my point.  Without knowing the jargon of the library bizE > (which we teach our children at a very early age) you would be lost  > there as well.  E Exactly. But all that being said, what is the point? I think the best D way to get acquainted with any new system is to read an introductoryD manual. I'd much rather do that than learn everything through a HelpD utility. Help is for learning something particular quickly to do theF task at hand, not to learn the system itself. It seems to me that withD VMS help, you're less likely to have to take a trip to the bookshelfB of manuals. Additionally, you could probably do well starting fromF HELP, Hints, ..., though I'd still rather read an introductory manual.@ But I don't see the point of focusing on what a totally clueless  person would do on a new system.  J > > Also, be aware that at some multi-location libraries, the card catalogI > > may contain entries for volumes which are found at locations than the ) > > one where you found the card catalog.    What's the point here?  H > >> It's time to admit that none of this on any system is intuitive andG > >> neither was it intended to be.  All of this was designed at a time L > >> when only computer professionals used computers and it was all designedO > >> for them.  It's all jargon and assumes a basic knowledge of the particular N > >> system in use, even from the beginning.  Which probably explains why mostJ > >> job ads specifically list the systems they want prospective employeesG > >> to be familiar with.  If everything were intuitive and obvious, it " > >> wouldn't make any difference.  
 Of course.  D > > Well, the Windows-weenies would likely argue that last sentence. > > J > > Personally, I find GUIs to be clumsy, poorly designed, time-consuming,H > > resource consumptive and *ANY*thing *BUT* intuitive. I think it mustJ > > have taken me at least an hour to discover that the most common way toJ > > exit a Windows V3.0 program or applet was to open the "File" pull-downI > > (last place I would have thought to put it) and select "Exit". I even - > > had to write it down the first few times!   D I agree with this. I also hate that there's no way to abort anythingE short of  pulling the plug or CtrlAltDel which, well, by the time you 2 get it up and running, the damage is already done.  D For example: Open Windows Explorer. Select a folder on a local drive@ (in the left-hand panel). Press the asterisk key on the "numericC keypad" (you *might* need Num Lock enabled). All subfolders of that E folder are displyed in tree form. Now, imagine if you selected the My A Computer folder, or the Desktop folder and tried that!!! Yikes!!!   E And the windows (NT4.0) where I work *always* pop up in the stupidest ; places. And many of them are poorly designed and too small.   E And there are important, very useful functions that are undocumented. D For example, the semicolon is a delimiter you can use with the "FindC All Files" dialog box. Also, in Windows Explorer, if you collapse a ? multi-level directory tree, and you want to expand it again but D listing only the first level folders, do the following: Collapse the' tree, press F5, then expand the folder!   F Where are these functions documented? The semicolon delimiter function; I stumbled across in a Web document called "Escape from the F Mousetrap". The other I stumbled upon by stumbling upon it. I guess ifD you spend mucho bucks on lame Windows courses you might learn *some* of them.  E (Yes, there are undocumented things on other systems, but on VMS, the C vast majority of them, if not all of them, are very narrow in scope $ and are not useful for basic tasks.)  E > I agree.  back in the days when the MAC was just starting and Apple E > was spouting their drivel about how "intuitive" the point-and-click C > environment was I already had a system that supported a mouse.  I F > put some stuff on it and turned my then 3-4 year old daughter loose.G > Needless to say, the mouse spent most of it's time on the floor after F > rolling off the edge of the desk and she found it faster to just use > the keyboard.   E You start this with the MAC, and then you turn your daughter loose on 1 some unnamed system. What is this unnamed system?   4 > As for exiting programs in Windows, remembering myE > bad example of just closing an X-window in a previous message, I am C > amazed at how many people I work with double click the upper left E > hand corner of the Window instead of using the Exit function of the B > application.  I don;t know how Windows handles that, but it sure > rubs me the wrong way.  F Rubs me wrong too, but it doesn't seem to cause a problem, usually. InF some cases, Windows won't let you close a window that way and actuallyA tells you that you need to close it using the application itself.   I > > I never really thought of "help" as jargon, except possibly among the K > > people seeking assistance for one reason or another. Then, I suppose it $ > > might be classified as "jargon". > H > I consider it jargon in the application of computer information.  MostE > people where I work would consider HELP what they got from calling  @ > ext. 4357 (hint: it spells HELP and gets the local help desk). >    > bill  E Notice it's called the *help* desk, and not the *man* desk. (!) (Hey, & who's manning the man desk today?! :-)   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman   C Stay tuned! We'll be right back with more commercials. But first, a  few minutes of the program. (!)    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jan 2003 14:55:52 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman); Subject: Re: Managing increasing number of foreign commands = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301011455.470b2c06@posting.google.com>   d Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> wrote in message news:<3E0E1D3F.414528E4@Mvb.Saic.Com>... [...] J > All of these reference a single issue, that of wildcards with respect toI > DCL$PATH.  One of them also gives the solution which is to place a file 7 > called $.COM into DCL$PATH.  Here is what is in mine:  >  > $ type dcl$path:$.com  > $exit %x38090  > D > and here is what results on my systems from the examples you cite: >  > $ * H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >  > $ dirdisk:*.txt C > %DCL-W-NOLBLS, label ignored - use only within command procedures 
 >  \DIRDISK:\ H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > E > I suppose it depends on what the results of wildcards might be on a I > given system as to whether or not this is a major caveat.  For example, F > on my system, typing a* will invoke the acrobat reader or typing z*pF > will invoke zip but is this really an issue?  If it is, its a ratherF > simple issue to make each entry in DCL$PATH a command procedure that@ > validates the command verb before invoking the real utility.    F Please pardon me if I'm missing something obvious, but how can you get9 the original command from within a DCL command procedure?    Thanks.    [...]    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:42:21 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ; Subject: Re: Managing increasing number of foreign commands ' Message-ID: <3E1398FD.A6B3A5A1@fsi.net>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > f > Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> wrote in message news:<3E0E1D3F.414528E4@Mvb.Saic.Com>... > [...] L > > All of these reference a single issue, that of wildcards with respect toK > > DCL$PATH.  One of them also gives the solution which is to place a file 9 > > called $.COM into DCL$PATH.  Here is what is in mine:  > >  > > $ type dcl$path:$.com  > > $exit %x38090  > > F > > and here is what results on my systems from the examples you cite: > >  > > $ * J > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > >  > > $ dirdisk:*.txt E > > %DCL-W-NOLBLS, label ignored - use only within command procedures  > >  \DIRDISK:\ J > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > > G > > I suppose it depends on what the results of wildcards might be on a K > > given system as to whether or not this is a major caveat.  For example, H > > on my system, typing a* will invoke the acrobat reader or typing z*pH > > will invoke zip but is this really an issue?  If it is, its a ratherH > > simple issue to make each entry in DCL$PATH a command procedure that@ > > validates the command verb before invoking the real utility. > H > Please pardon me if I'm missing something obvious, but how can you get; > the original command from within a DCL command procedure?  > 	 > Thanks.   B P1 through P8 should be obvious, but DCL doesn't provide P0 AFAIK.  ! VAXman may have a hack for this.    C However, if you're thinking about a proc. having multiple directory @ entries and changing it's behaviour based on the "verb", I would  recommend strongly against that.  
 ...IMHO...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jan 2003 23:06:02 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) : Subject: Re: Of Galaxy, Infiniband and Distributed Caching3 Message-ID: <ydoOLPFwCuZf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <OP6cnV5-tchJw4-jXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:qriNaRWlim1s@eisner.encompasserve.org... A >> In article <XZOcnXcXvfkipYyjXTWcqQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" " > <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >> >> >L >> > It's much more likely that Microsoft's lack of interest centers on IB'sK >> > apparent failure to become a commodity product (as had been originally K >> > hoped - a parallel with Itanic that I already noted).  When the IB HCA  > cardK >> > costs about as much ($1700, according to the article you cited) as the M >> > entire host server for a typical Microsoft installation, it makes one or I >> > even dual $70 Gbit Ethernet links look a great deal more attractive.  >> > >>> >> That $1700 is list cost.  Paceline is running a special for@ >> their 4100 bundle.  For $9995 you get 4 HCAs and the 4100 andH >> management software.  That puts the cost of the HCAs somewhere around= >> $500 if you were to break them out of the bundle (the 4100  >> lists for $7995). > L > A neutral observer rather than one attempting to place the HCA cost in theH > best possible light would take the total list price of $14,795 for theM > package and scale each component down by the ratio 9995/14795.  This places J > the discounted HCA price at about $1148:  better than $1700, but nothing > like $500. >   ? 	The switch itself costs $7995.  You could purchase the kit for C 	$9995 and sell the switch and paid $500 per card.  I wouldn't know H 	why you would want to go back and compare prices that aren't available.6 	If you insist, you would want to factor in the $7995.   >>L >> > Don't get me wrong:  IB isn't both expensive and ugly like Itanic, just >> > expensive.  >>A >> You could say that.  Likewise, a Xeon is expensive compared to  >> a Celeron processor.  > N > Exactly.  And the relative volumes of the two dictate the relative prices ofI > the two:  Celerons are everywhere and do the job just fine for 99.9% of H > uses, while Xeons are *way* more expensive and used only where they're	 > needed.  > ' >   In that you are comparing something F >> with 1/8 the capability (comparing 4x IB to GBit Ethernet), sure itC >> is expensive.  But at $500 per HCA and 10 Gbit throughput, can't  >> hardly beat that. > 2 > 1.  The $500 figure is pure fiction:  see above. > K > 2.  The *overall* figure still includes the switch cost, so on a per-port N > basis you're still looking at a total of close to $2K (when you include both. > the HCA and the switch port it connects to). >   E 	The cards are dual-ported, they highlight that the $9995 is a "$1000 , 	per port cost."  You must have missed that.    J > 3.  And of course you can beat it right out of the ballpark if you don'tM > *need* 10 Gbit throughput in the first place (which most links emphatically 	 > don't).  >   @ 	Right.  You are using IB to take the next step, i.e. protecting< 	an investment, enough throughput for the next 3 years, etc.    3 >   Need/want to build out and can't afford 10 GBit H >> Ethernet next year?, IB will be the way to go for a few years anyhow. >>B >> You read what some of the pundits are saying, they always trailA >> off talking about 10 GBit Ethernet.  The funny thing of course = >> is that it is currently very expensive and not expected to E >> become less for a while.  Very expensive compared to IB (comparing  >> Xeon to Xeon ;-). > M > You keep propping up that straw man, but it just won't stay standing.  IB's L > competition is not, and until such time as 10 Gbit Ethernet drops below itK > in price will not be, 10 Gbit Ethernet:  it's Gbit Ethernet and 1 Gbit, 2eK > Gbit, and later 10 Gbit FC, which are more than adequate for most (thoughc8 > not all) server-to-server and server-to-storage links. >   C 	But the inherent fact is it is much wider bandwidth and gives many F 	of us that "private" interconnect that holds up when the network getsB 	turned around.  Just like FC is still going when the network gets 	hosed up, etc.o   >>G >> I suspect that large per HCA bundled discount is here to stay in onenE >> form or other as that other poster points out there is a number of & >> Infiniband companies out and about. > F > Duh.  IB companies are discounting for exactly the same reasons thatL > *everyone* is discounting these days:  they'd rather survive on wafer-thinM > profits than disappear before the next up-turn (when prices will, as usual, : > rise again - especially for specialty products like IB). >   D 	Sure.  That tells us that 10 Gbit ethernet is inherently expensive, 	no discounting.   >>D >> > It should make a good high-end cluster and storage interconnectM >> > for installations that Gbit Ethernet and 2 Gbit FC (and soon 10 Gbit FC)aL >> > can't quite satisfy - but the limited volume in that space will tend toG >> > *keep* it expensive, while Ethernet (and to some degree FC) pricesp
 > continue& >> > to fall to true commodity levels. >>= >> At $500 per HCA, that is certainly in the same ballpark oroC >> cheaper than HBA cards.  You can gateway IB to FC (as that other G >> poster mentions) that is surely very important so maybe 10 GBit HBAscK >> are DOA (especially if the 10 GBit FC HBA cards are very expensive) thattE >> and the fact they would be one dimensional but the HCAs carry both:C >> IO and server communication (again, the number of protocols that  >> the other poster mentions). > F > I guess you completely missed the entire segment of the FC spec thatL > supports inter-server protocols like IP (and 'target-mode' operation), andF > the emerging SCSI-over-IP Ethernet standards (and hardware support). >   < 	I may have missed that.  But here is something that you may* 	have overlooked.  For storage access. . .  G 	At today's prices, that $1000 per port is cheaper than 2 Gbit FC.  As  D 	mentioned earlier, the HBAs for 2 Gbit cost over $900 for the HBA,  	the switches cost like so:i  # http://www.gotocol.com/brocade.htmlj   	$7900 u  C 	That doesn't include management software.  But the kicker is... it1E 	doesn't include the GBICs.  At $369 per port for GBICs, suddenly youoM 	are at $1400 per port for FC.  4 ports populated would get you up to $13500.oJ 	4 ports representing 4 servers, 4 HCAs serving 4 servers in the Paceline.D 	Plugging 1 port in so you can hang storage off it.  It isn't applesH 	to apples but the point is, you trumpet IB being expensive like Itanic L 	and yet it isn't if doing storage, of course you want to do server comm andB 	1 GBit meets your needs.  Sure.  But IB will be doing server comm 	AND storage far faster.   					Rob   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:47:12 -0600m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on a Multia' Message-ID: <3E139A20.9400C8D1@fsi.net>e   Marco Shaw wrote:s > H > Getting back into VMS for 2003.  I had it running on a Multia, which I > dusted off yesterday.t > D > I managed to find a web site that really helped me out originally:1 > http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/multiarn.txta > F > I (think I) showstill had my old boot floppy in the system, but it'sC > likely toasted by now.  I can't for the life of me remember how I J > created it in the first place.  I thought it might be FAT/VFAT formatted* > but my Linux system refuses to mount it. > E > I'm not sure whether the boot floppy can be re-created from the VMS.H > install CD, but I tried to mount it on Linux without luck: not sure if > it's ISO9660 or what.d > H > SRM sees dva0, dka0, ewa0, and pka0.  It doesn't seem to recognize theJ > SCSI CDROM because I don't see a label "RRxxx" during a 'show dev'.  Its1 > at the end of the chain (yes, it's terminated).a > J > Unless I'm dreaming or thinking back to my brief experimenting with ARM,J >   I thought SRM could 'go through stuff', as in I could 'cd' or 'ls' the! > contents of the CDROM or drive?d > 6 > Any help to get me going again would be appreciated. > J > (If this wasn't all hooked up to a monitor switch, I would have tried to/ > copy some output here if it would've helped.)e >  > Marcol   This URL may prove helpful:n  . http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/multia.html   --   David J. DachteraS dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:21:00 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 9 Subject: Problem protecting image sections in a shareablet1 Message-ID: <auvf2r$l6i$1@knossos.btinternet.com>-   Hi,-  K Sorry to post a reply to my own question but things have sort of moved on a.4 bit. (I attach my original question for background).  I The good news is that yes a USER mode shareable (or executable) image canrL overlay a protected (UWSS maintained) Psect on VAX just as well as it can onH Alpha. Reading is perfectly OK but Writing results in a swift ACCVIO. MyL OVRlay psect was a red-herring when it was actually my local Working-StorageK Psect that was causing the problem. (I was collecting them both in the same.  image section after Protect=yes)   Anyway, New question:-  J I can link my UWSSs with /PROTECT and everything works fine. No problem atJ run-time (and I'm not currently calling out to another shareable) but if IL do the combo of Protect=Yes and Collect=x,p1,p2... I get ACCVIO at run-time?I Seperating the two individual data r/w Psects that I want to collect into E different clusters I discovered that Protect=yes on the OVR psect and H Protect=No on my local WS will also work so it doesn't appear to be someC dodgy cluster placement but buggered if I know what it is! Is there., something in the Map that I should look for?  ' This is the error at image activation:-    $ run test_j; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual + address=00054C20, PC=8197F25D, PSL=03C000002  2   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.  /    Signal arguments              Stack contents4  ,    Number = 00000005                8197F216,    Name   = 0000000C                8197F12A,             00000004                00000000,             00054C20                203C0000,             8197F25D                7FECD3FC,             03C00000                7FECD3E8,                                     7FF50DEC,                                     00000004,                                     7FF50B0C,                                     00000001      Register dump  =    R0 = 00054C20  R1 = 00054A00  R2 = 00000010  R3 = 00054A00P=    R4 = 0005549C  R5 = 00055400  R6 = 7FFED188  R7 = 7FFED188D=    R8 = 7FFECA48  R9 = 7FFECC50  R10= 7FFED7D4  R11= 7FFE2BDC =    AP = 7FECD37C  FP = 7FECD33C  SP = 7FECD3B8  PC = 8197F25D     PSL= 03C00000    These are the Psect attributes:-  D             .psect  local_ws,pic,con,rel,lcl,noshr,noexe,rd,wrt,long  K             Very few standard data declarations and one .ADDRESS to another  psect.   And here's the link:-n   $ link  /share=aaa -G !       /protect -  !*** Uncomment this and comment the COLLECTs and iti works          /nosysshr -2         /map -         /cross -         /full -m         /notrace -         aaa.obj, -         sys$input:/options  . collect=aa$$transfer_vector,$$$transfer_vector   protect=yes  collect=xxx,               -         t3$tip_url_data,  9 protect=no  !*** Change this to YES and it just won't runi collect=yyy, -         local_ws   sys$system:sys.stb/selective   gsmatch=lequal,3,0@ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Any help greatly appreciated!g   Regards Richard Maher.   ----- Original Message -----* From: Richard Maher <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m> Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsp' Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:04 PMiI Subject: PSECT GBL,OVR 1 User shareable 1 Exec UWSS - Alpha OK, VAX fails      > Hi,s > E > There's a good chance that I'm doing something wrong here but as it$ appears0L > to work perfectly well on Alpha yet fails on VAX I was hoping that someoneL > maybe able to shed light on the subject. For the most part, I subscribe toJ > what Stephen Hoffman and others have had to say about these COMMON areas of? > memory but if we can leave that to one side for a moment. . .  >vK > I have a stock standard user mode shareable image (Written in COBOL as itEF > happens) that overlays an EXTERNAL PSECT with an EXECutive mode UWSSH > shareable image. The attributes have been set to NOSHR but are GBL andJ > WRTable. The theory/design is that when the User/application image (that was H > linked against my w:re RTL) is activated, my lib$initialize code (just getsI > better doesn't it :-) will call the EXEC mode initialization routine to  set K > up the contents of the EXTERNAL Psect. Subsequent user mode USER mode RTLmG > calls will be able to take full advantage of access to this privilegeeI > initialized memory safe in the knowledge that it is protected from USER2 mode
 > corruption.b >cI > As I said previously, on Alpha everything is just peachy but on VAX I'mIF > getting everything from ACCVIO when the image tries to initialize to "OPCODEiH > reserved to DEC" and "Reserved addressing mode" when the code tries toH > access the PSECT. The code appears to behave a little more predictably when > 
 > PROTECT=NO,a" > COLLECT=T3$$SAFE,T3$TIP_URL_DATA >e. > but that's sort of defeating the purpose :-( > H > Obviously there's a fair bit of change in the build procedure for this stuffmK > between VAX and ALPHA so plently of room for something to get lost in theeI > translation, but if someone could just confirm that this is supposed tom work2 > on VAX (or not) then that would be a great help! >d > Cheers Richard.t >.I > PS. I appreciate the risk of evasion of my lib$initialize code (but thesK > psect will at least be in my compile time state) but if you know of a waye toJ > specify an EXEC MODE initialization routine for UWSSs then please let me8 > know. My PLV documentation doesn't seem to declare it. >a >d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 00:46:24 -0400r0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: SMTP mail: SFF facility/ Message-ID: <3E13C41F.DDA103FC@vl.videotron.ca>a   Dirk Munk wrote:> > I suppose you are referering to the TCPIP$SMPT_SFF utility ?; > If so then it has been documented for some time now .....R  E Yep, my mistake. it was SFF. But this is what the documentation says:u  $ The parameters for this routine are:
  infile_namevL 	Specifies the name of the text file that contains the RFC 822 mail message.  logfdT> 	Specifies the file to which to log diagnostic messages. <etc>  log_levelp2 	Specifies the level of diagnostics to use:  <etc>  G > To answer many questions at once: Only the first two lines of the SFFdE > message (with the RFC821 headers) are of importance to the utility.i  L But the documentation states that the input file contains only RFC822 which,K in email parlance, is the bodypart of the message, whereas the commands youdH enter in the SMTP dialogue (RFC821) build the actual delivery enveloppe.  M I seem to recall the "before it was documented" documentation which explained J that one had to prefix the RFC8222 message with the proper RFC821 commandsJ that are used to communicate with a SMTP server (HELO, MAIL FROM, MAIL TO,
 DATA etc).  L But the V5.1 TCPIP Services Management Manual (TCPIP 5.1) contains the above  text which talks only of RFC822.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 09:31:34 +0100y From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>$ Subject: Re: SMTP mail: TFF facility8 Message-ID: <j1951vcttbeugdanh7hna3leo9ok621nc0@4ax.com>  , On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:07:12 -0400, JF Mezei( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:  N >OK, TFF is now documented. However, in the documentation,  it states that oneD >simply creates an RFC822 message in a file, and submit this to TFF.  < I suppose you are referering to the TCPIP$SMPT_SFF utility ?: If so then it has been documented for some time now .....   E To answer many questions at once: Only the first two lines of the SFF.C message (with the RFC821 headers) are of importance to the utility.1E Everything that follows the DATA line is merely data as far as SFF iseD concerned. So all nice headers with MAIL TO:, Subject etc. are of no importance to SFF.  F To construct these nice headers you should study RFC822, or better theF newer RFC2822. Furthermore there are many other official or inofficial headers around and in use.   >oK >Does this mean that  TFF will parse the RFC822 header to determine who ther1 >message should be going to ? (not quite kosher).h >oJ >For instance, if I wants to send to 5 people, but have a TO: <undisclosed. >recipients> line, is that possible with TFF ? >PK >Or must I go and reverser engineer the control file formats and submit the>. >files myself to the appropriate SMTP queues ? >rL >I would have prefered if one would provide TFF with 2 files, one containingO >the destination and one containing the message.  In SMTP parlance, the MAIL TO M >commands in the SMTP dialogue are quite difference from the DATA phase which = >contains teh message (the RFC822 header  is part of message)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 14:30:11 -0500P' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>s Subject: Re: VMS troubles < Message-ID: <howard-094305.14301101012003@enews.newsguy.com>  A In article <03010111491237@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org wrote:d  J >    But he's not running normal VMS, just Standalone BACKUP and MDM.  VMS  E I didn't catch that in the original post.  'Swhat I get for skimming.r  = >        This command is for use on Alpha systems only. [...]g  < It's been quite a while since I did much with a VAX.  <sigh>   -- /4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 00:51:41 -0400R0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: VMS troubles./ Message-ID: <3E13C55C.260526ED@vl.videotron.ca>n   Howard S Shubs wrote:0I > VAXen can do the SYSMAN IO AUTO thing too, if they're running a versionc > of VMS with SYSMAN, IIRC.@  G I think one would be pushing one's luck with an RD54 as system sicks ons versions beyond 5.5-2    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jan 2003 16:01:20 -0800i$ From: bdhobbs18@acm.org (Bill Hobbs) Subject: vt 525a= Message-ID: <74ca5032.0301011601.3d537cce@posting.google.com>   ? Does anyone have experience with the Boundless VT 525 terminal? 4   http://www.boundless.com/Text_Terminals/VT/VT_525/C Hmmm, this doesn't appear to do Sixel or ReGIS graphics like the VT  340 did - just text.  Oh well.  E Since the CRT monitor is a separate item, shouldn't it be possible toe? connect an LCD monitor instead?  Any SVGA, 800 x 480, 73 hz LCD  displays out there?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:49:42 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: vt 525u' Message-ID: <3E139AB6.EFFE8BE3@fsi.net>r   Bill Hobbs wrote:  > A > Does anyone have experience with the Boundless VT 525 terminal?V6 >   http://www.boundless.com/Text_Terminals/VT/VT_525/E > Hmmm, this doesn't appear to do Sixel or ReGIS graphics like the VT-  > 340 did - just text.  Oh well.  - True. It's just a color text terminal, AFAIK..  G > Since the CRT monitor is a separate item, shouldn't it be possible tolA > connect an LCD monitor instead?  Any SVGA, 800 x 480, 73 hz LCD0 > displays out there?a  . Any suitable VGA-compatible monitor should do.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2003 00:39:29 GMTe/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>t: Subject: Re: VT220/320 Terminal emulator for Linux client?* Message-ID: <av01o1$eo2$1@news1.radix.net>  # GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:  > Thomas Dickey wrote: >> N& >> GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote: >> > pfr wrote:r >> >>gP >> >> Can anyone reccomend a good free terminal emulator for a Linux client whenK >> >> connecting to a Vax?  TeraTerm has worked well when connecting from a L >> >> Windows client to a Vax, but the standard telnet client in Linux seems# >> >> only able to emulate a VT100.o >> >>(
 >> >> Thanks,) >> e? >> > Under RedHat 7.1 I just used the program called Eterm.  It + >> > worked fine to my vaxstation 4000 vlc.a >> .P >> Eterm only does a vt100/vt102, as he notes.  (Though F1 seems to be assigned)  - > Check the preferences.  VT220 is supported.o  % try testing the code before you post.o  # 	http://invisible-island.net/vttest    --  = Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>w http://dickey.his.comd ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:43:37 -0600i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>.: Subject: Re: VT220/320 Terminal emulator for Linux client?' Message-ID: <3E139949.AC073503@fsi.net>c   Thomas Dickey wrote: > % > GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:a > > Thomas Dickey wrote: > >>( > >> GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote: > >> > pfr wrote:  > >> >>tR > >> >> Can anyone reccomend a good free terminal emulator for a Linux client whenM > >> >> connecting to a Vax?  TeraTerm has worked well when connecting from ahN > >> >> Windows client to a Vax, but the standard telnet client in Linux seems% > >> >> only able to emulate a VT100.f > >> >>e > >> >> Thanks,t > >>A > >> > Under RedHat 7.1 I just used the program called Eterm.  ItI- > >> > worked fine to my vaxstation 4000 vlc.o > >>R > >> Eterm only does a vt100/vt102, as he notes.  (Though F1 seems to be assigned) > / > > Check the preferences.  VT220 is supported.t > ' > try testing the code before you post.  > , >         http://invisible-island.net/vttest  2 What does SET TERM/INQ do (follow with SHOW TERM)?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsW http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/P   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 02:37:16 GMTt From: "pfr" <preilly@mail.com>: Subject: Re: VT220/320 Terminal emulator for Linux client?5 Message-ID: <pan.2003.01.02.02.39.26.168225@mail.com>o  . On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:01:32 +0000, pfr wrote:  G > Can anyone reccomend a good free terminal emulator for a Linux clienttJ > when connecting to a Vax?  TeraTerm has worked well when connecting fromJ > a Windows client to a Vax, but the standard telnet client in Linux seems > only able to emulate a VT100.s > 	 > Thanks,g  I Thanks for everyone's comments and suggestions.  Xterm with VT200 supportm seems to be working acceptably.t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.003 ************************