/ INFO-VAX	Fri, 03 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 6       Contents: Am I blind ? DECC  Re: Am I blind ? DECC  Re: Am I blind ? DECC  Re: Am I blind ? DECC / Re: ComputerWorld: HP Is Homeland Merger  Model / Re: ComputerWorld: HP Is Homeland Merger  Model 4 Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems)' Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement  RE: FA: DEC Hard HatC RE: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this mornin	g B Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morningB Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning Re: is VMS really easy to use? Re: is VMS really easy to use? Re: is VMS really easy to use? Re: is VMS really easy to use? Re: is VMS really easy to use? Re: is VMS really easy to use? Re: JPEG viewer? Re: JPEG viewer? Re: JPEG viewer? Re: JPEG viewer? Re: JPEG viewer?! Re: Machine checks not always ... " Re: New Marvel machines? New news?" RE: New Marvel machines? New news?" Re: New Marvel machines? New news?" Re: New Marvel machines? New news?" Re: New Marvel machines? New news?@ Re: Now "Is HELP on unix" [WAS : RE: is VMS really easy to use?]1 Re: Of Galaxy, Infiniband and Distributed Caching 1 Re: Of Galaxy, Infiniband and Distributed Caching 1 Re: Of Galaxy, Infiniband and Distributed Caching  Re: OpenVMS Technical Journal & Problem with Mini Copy during Shutdown& Re: Recovering SYSTEM password when... Re: Sad news from engineering  Re: Sad news from engineering  Re: Sad news from engineering 2 Re: SAN recommendations mixing VMS, Solaris, Linux* SDCL - Structured Digital Command Language Storage Magazine and VMS Re: Storage Magazine and VMS Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth  Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth @ Re: VERY ON-TOPIC:  quoted-printable shit and Mickey$chlock mail@ Re: VERY ON-TOPIC:  quoted-printable shit and Mickey$chlock mail Re: VMS troubles Re: VMS troubles Re: VMS troubles Re: VMS troubles Re: VMS troubles Re: VMS troubles Re: VMS troubles Re: VMS troubles Re: Working with Locks  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:58:38 GMT + From: "P.Lj" <plj@NOSPAMbyron.ext.telia.se>  Subject: Am I blind ? DECC3 Message-ID: <i9dR9.4161$LY2.242154@newsc.telia.net>    Hi,   4 Puzzled by this right now, does anyone see or know ?     $ cc /names=as_is  vasprintf.c  4    memcpy ((PTR) &ap, (PTR) args, sizeof (va_list)); ..^  %CC-E-CLOSEPAREN, Missing ")".' at line number 51 in file VASPRINTF.C;6    In listing file:          1    1395   va_list ap;        1    1396D        1    1397   memcpy ((PTR) &ap, (PTR) args, sizeof (va_list));                  ..1" %CC-E-CLOSEPAREN, (1) Missing ")".          1    1398%        1    1399   while (*p != '\0')        $ cc /ver ) Compaq C V6.2-003 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-2    /P.Lj    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:41:50 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Am I blind ? DECC+ Message-ID: <av3pdg$v2i@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   d "P.Lj" <plj@NOSPAMbyron.ext.telia.se> wrote in message news:i9dR9.4161$LY2.242154@newsc.telia.net...  3   memcpy ((PTR) &ap, (PTR) args, sizeof (va_list));  ..^ M %CC-E-UNDEFINEDTYPE, The compiler was expecting a ")", but one was not found. U This condition could have occured because "PTR" is used in what might be a type cast, 3 but there is no declared type of that name visible.   ) Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:10:00 GMT + From: "P.Lj" <plj@NOSPAMbyron.ext.telia.se>  Subject: Re: Am I blind ? DECC3 Message-ID: <cceR9.4171$LY2.242828@newsc.telia.net>    Richard Brodie wrote: f > "P.Lj" <plj@NOSPAMbyron.ext.telia.se> wrote in message news:i9dR9.4161$LY2.242154@newsc.telia.net... > 5 >   memcpy ((PTR) &ap, (PTR) args, sizeof (va_list));  > ..^ O > %CC-E-UNDEFINEDTYPE, The compiler was expecting a ")", but one was not found. W > This condition could have occured because "PTR" is used in what might be a type cast, 5 > but there is no declared type of that name visible.  > + > Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1  >  >    You are right, thanks!   /P.Lj    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:01:20 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>  Subject: Re: Am I blind ? DECC/ Message-ID: <v1b9e0rva6a235@corp.supernews.com>   * P.Lj <plj@NOSPAMbyron.ext.telia.se> wrote: : Hi, 6 : Puzzled by this right now, does anyone see or know ?  F Add /LIST/SHOW=ALL and look at the macro expansion of PTR (marked with0 an E).  Also look at the prior line in the code.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 07:31:43 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: ComputerWorld: HP Is Homeland Merger  Model3 Message-ID: <RMj7NC+mC6m1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3E150AE3.FF98298E@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Keith Parris wrote:  >>  I >> ComputerWorld reports that "White House officials are quietly studying I >> this year's merger of Hewlett-Packard Co. and Compaq Computer Corp. in H >> an effort to enhance their chances of succeeding in the mother of allB >> mergers: the formation of the Department of Homeland Security."T >>  http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,76771,00.html > 5 > DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN, HELP US!!! WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!!       I think the idea is:   G    If Curly and Carly can pull that one off, it's a plan so easy even a     republican can follow it.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 10:41:55 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 8 Subject: Re: ComputerWorld: HP Is Homeland Merger  Model< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0301031041.9b5d3c0@posting.google.com>  X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A195E0.8D54BF43@SendSpamHere.ORG>...K > So now the government will annihilate all of its existing departments and 4 > programs to incorporate and bolster Micro$oft too?  @ HP certainly hasn't annihilated all its existing departments andD programs as a result of the merger.  And despite the pre-merger talk@ from the now-departed Capellas about how important PCs were as aC factor in the merger, the reality post-merger seems to be much more @ balanced -- Windows/PCs are no more important in the New HP than> Linux, Unix, VMS, or NonStop -- whatever platform the customer chooses.  E What we've seen is that pre-merger HP programs and products that were A focused before only on HP-UX, for example, are being broadened to A include the pre-merger Compaq products, and the pre-merger Compaq F programs and products are being broadened to include the pre-merger HPA products.  There's a lot of mutual respect within the Engineering ? community, a lot of cross-training going on, and both sides are D benefitting technically from the other as they grow closer together.  F What articles like this do show is that to the majority of people, the HP merger is seen as a success.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 07:23:33 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems) 3 Message-ID: <q70$+BJ9H8JT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3E14FC48.A338F364@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > C > That is, without RMS, you have (.NOT. VMS). So, what's the point?   ?    The point is not one of the available FTP clients or servers B    got it right and we haven't found anything that would be broken    by changing it.  C    In fact, if it did change I think existing tools like Multinet's E    recordsize command would allow one to revert to the old behaviour.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:11:52 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> 0 Subject: Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement$ Message-ID: <3e15c435$1@news.si.com>  G >I want to check if a device can be mounted or not. AVAILABLE seems the  right C >test, correct ? But AVailable "bombs" if the device doesn't exist.  > K >Now, if I ask "free blocks", I can understand the philosphical problem, if 6 >F%GETDVI doesn't crash, what value should it return ?  J Checking to see if a device is available is identical to checking the freeL blocks.  The "available" attribute is, I believe, stored in the UCB.  If theF device doesn't exist, there's no UCB to check, so F$GETDVI errors withF "NOSUCHDEV", just like a SHOW DEVICE of the non-existent device would. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:50:35 -05005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>  Subject: RE: FA: DEC Hard Hat O Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D5B3600B@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   K Hmm I have a medium blue Digital mug (think DECwindows blue and you get the F idea) they can throw in too :-)  just kidding I'm not parting with it.   -----Original Message-----7 From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]  ) Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:28 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: FA: DEC Hard Hat      "Homer J. Simpson" wrote:  > ' > For the eventuality of falling Vaxen:  > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=752584254  J That's for protection against VMS'ers doing the stock broker thing from anL ump-teenth story window after being laid-off for the umpty-umpth time, their; once lovingly-tended systems having become dumpster fodder.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  H Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and J confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s)L named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agentF responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, anyK review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is J strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theI original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or J instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying$ out such orders and/or instructions.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:39:39 -05005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> L Subject: RE: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this mornin	gO Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D5B3600A@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   L oficially correct English wasnt the national language, but it was conventionE that it was.  My wife's grandparents came here not speaking a word of H english, but never even thought to speak their home language outside theJ house.  ever.  They loved and respected this country and made every effortF to fit in while not losing site of their past.  It's time we relearned this....     -----Original Message------ From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org 1 [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]  & Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:22 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com K Subject: Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning     ; In article <3E150F3C.6D8FD7EE@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Sue Skonetski wrote: >>  : >> remember A&W root beer in the really thick frosty mugs?  F    Remember when you stopped at a root beeer stand to get a hamburger?  2 > Remember when English was our national language?  D    Can't.  Never actually happened.  But when it almost happened, it     almost happened to be German.   > ? > ...that Dachtera asshole wasn't here to post stuff like this?  >     Nope.    I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and J confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s)L named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agentF responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, anyK review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is J strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theI original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or J instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying$ out such orders and/or instructions.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 07:21:32 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) K Subject: Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning 3 Message-ID: <zgyOIdvK6L1G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3E150F3C.6D8FD7EE@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Sue Skonetski wrote: >>  : >> remember A&W root beer in the really thick frosty mugs?  F    Remember when you stopped at a root beeer stand to get a hamburger?  2 > Remember when English was our national language?  D    Can't.  Never actually happened.  But when it almost happened, it     almost happened to be German.   > ? > ...that Dachtera asshole wasn't here to post stuff like this?  >     Nope.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:10:40 -0500* From: "Chris Moore" <moore_mc@hotmail.com>K Subject: Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning 3 Message-ID: <mujR9.233764$C8.714588@nnrp1.uunet.ca>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > From: Skonetski, Susan+ > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:15 AM  > To: Skonetski, Susan >  >  > G > This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and problem F > solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years has been an explosionC > of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and 8 > responsibility, and welearned how to deal with it all.  ? And despite that, this is the generation that, as parents, have / over-protected and smothered our children......   F (lord knows we didn't want THEM to do what WE had enjoyed so long ago)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:19:28 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy ' Subject: Re: is VMS really easy to use? . Message-ID: <3E1563B0.9090401@nospamn.sun.com>   Z wrote:1 > Alan E. Feldman <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote: H > : I agree. Consider the following: You are new to a computer. You needF > : to do something and you don't know how to do it, or you are havingG > : trouble trying to do something. What would most users think: 1.) "I H > : need help." or 2.) "I need man."? Well, I bet most users would thinkH > : choice '1.)' even if it weren't multiple choice. Now, how many wouldD > : actually type HELP and press Return? That's another question and5 > : depends on what type of people you have selected.  >  > alias help man >   / Sun's workstations and SunRays have a help key. 2 I have mine set up so that pressing help brings up/ AnswerBook 2 which is a browsable help facility + it provides all the Manual pages plus other  documentation.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 07:17:51 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: is VMS really easy to use? 3 Message-ID: <jA6BuKkXsO67@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3E1563B0.9090401@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:  1 > Sun's workstations and SunRays have a help key. 4 > I have mine set up so that pressing help brings up1 > AnswerBook 2 which is a browsable help facility - > it provides all the Manual pages plus other  > documentation.  B    Yep.  None of which is usefull.  Try using all that to find one)    of the CDE customizations and gave up.    ------------------------------    Date: 03 Jan 2003 21:10:42 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: is VMS really easy to use? - Message-ID: <87d6neml9p.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   7 "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> writes:   D > Anyone know what version of VMS was around 9 years after the firstE > VMS release?  I bet it was way better than what MS has out there, 9  > years after NT 3.1.....   D That would have been 87 or so, and 4.3 or there abouts.  Just before LAVC hit the streets IAR.      --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 06:32:54 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)' Subject: Re: is VMS really easy to use? = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301030632.6f3ba58d@posting.google.com>   W "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:<pQmP9.20100$kq6.299684@news.xtra.co.nz>... ; > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message 1 > news:auia3q$7gh5c$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...  > K > > Misusing any tool can cause a disaster.  If we made all tools incapable K > > of causing a disaster it would be real hard to build a house becuase we L > > would have no saws to cut the wood.  Afterall, that same saw can be usedL > > to cut out the supporting beams.  But we rely on the user to know not to > > do that. > 8 > The problem with that argument is that a saw is a much: > simpler tool than most software packages. It's also been: > around a much longer time so there is more expertise and% > "common knowledge" about it around.  > ; > However, consider the case of using "." vs "," as decimal : > or thousands separator based on locality. (That includes8 > cash numbers of course). Would you really trust a user; > who's used to one convention and is busily typing in some : > receipts to remember which location this one is going to9 > and use the delimiters accordingly? Probably not. After D > all, isn't that what all the locality setting are for - to protect= > the user from cutting not just the beams off but his or her  > arm as well ...   E Additionally, there is no need to make all tools totally incapable of C causing disaster. But it is a good idea to try to make things safer F when you can and it passes a cost/benefit test. Safeties on guns. PinsE in fire exstinguishers. Failsafe elevators (yes, they still fail from @ time to time, but it would happen more ften without the failsafe mechanism). Etc.  C Making a saw that is incapable of cutting down a supporting beam is B not realistic. But it is rather easy to avoid doing something like> that. But software in which it is too easy to make devastatingB mistakes is not a good idea. Sooner or later even the most carefulC user will make a mistake. (Are you sure you want to make a mistake?  ;-)    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:05:53 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> ' Subject: Re: is VMS really easy to use? ( Message-ID: <3E15C2F1.3070303@rdrop.com>   Z wrote: > alias help man  @ A few points from below.  First, in *nix you can't safely offer D command line advice w/o knowing the particular environment; second, G even if you know how to get help ('man'), you have to know the name of  G what you want help for; third, some shells already define help.  Under  B VMS, 'HELP' gets you a readable, and useful, list of subjects; on G *nix, 'man' gets you "What manual page do you want?"- A most unhelpful  ! question unless you already know.   G JMHO, of course.  I'm not anti-*nix- but I find it much more difficult  F to get the help I want, and I've been using it about twice as long as E VMS- I find it more useful to keep dead trees close at hand than any  # sort of *nix "online" help utility.    YM[And Opinion]MV.   > [106] $ alias help man > bash: alias: `help' not found  > bash: alias: `man' not found
 > [107] $ man  What manual page do you want?  > [108] $ help8 > GNU bash, version 2.05.0(1)-release (i386--freebsd4.3)M > These shell commands are defined internally.  Type `help' to see this list. > > Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'.> > Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general. > ? > A star (*) next to a name means that the command is disabled.  > 0 >  %[DIGITS | WORD] [&]               . filename0 >  :                                  [ arg... ]3 >  alias [-p] [name[=value] ... ]     bg [job_spec] / >  bind [-lpvsPVS] [-m keymap] [-f fi break [n] H >  builtin [shell-builtin [arg ...]]  case WORD in [PATTERN [| PATTERN].F >  cd [-PL] [dir]                     command [-pVv] command [arg ...]H >  compgen [-abcdefjkvu] [-o option]  complete [-abcdefjkvu] [-pr] [-o oH >  continue [n]                       declare [-afFrxi] [-p] name[=valueE >  dirs [-clpv] [+N] [-N]             disown [-h] [-ar] [jobspec ...] G >  echo [-neE] [arg ...]              enable [-pnds] [-a] [-f filename] H >  eval [arg ...]                     exec [-cl] [-a name] file [redirecG >  exit [n]                           export [-nf] [name ...] or export H >  false                              fc [-e ename] [-nlr] [first] [lastH >  fg [job_spec]                      for NAME [in WORDS ... ;] do COMMAB >  function NAME { COMMANDS ; } or NA getopts optstring name [arg]= >  hash [-r] [-p pathname] [name ...] help [-s] [pattern ...] H >  history [-c] [-d offset] [n] or hi if COMMANDS; then COMMANDS; [ elifH >  jobs [-lnprs] [jobspec ...] or job kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -si< >  let arg [arg ...]                  local name[=value] ...9 >  logout                             popd [+N | -N] [-n] @ >  printf format [arguments]          pushd [dir | +N | -N] [-n]H >  pwd [-PL]                          read [-ers] [-t timeout] [-p promp0 >  readonly [-anf] [name ...] or read return [n]H >  select NAME [in WORDS ... ;] do CO set [--abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o optiH >  shift [n]                          shopt [-pqsu] [-o long-option] opt2 >  source filename                    suspend [-f]8 >  test [expr]                        time [-p] PIPELINEH >  times                              trap [arg] [signal_spec ...] or trA >  true                               type [-apt] name [name ...] F >  typeset [-afFrxi] [-p] name[=value ulimit [-SHacdflmnpstuv] [limit]= >  umask [-p] [-S] [mode]             unalias [-a] [name ...] G >  unset [-f] [-v] [name ...]         until COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done . >  variables - Some variable names an wait [n]4 >  while COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done  { COMMANDS ; }   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:13:50 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> ' Subject: Re: is VMS really easy to use? ( Message-ID: <3E15C4CE.2000405@rdrop.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:7 > In article <augh08$73t0o$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, , > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >  > = >> I keep hearing about this mythical accidental "rm -r" that  >> destroys the system.  > D > No myth, been there, seen that.  And yes, simillar has happend to  > VMS.  # Not quite the same, but bad enough: / http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue86/artime.html  Quoting the article:E > On Fish, Xfree works for root, but not for normal users. Rationale: A > either a problem with permissions or user configuration files.  C > Solution: let us add a user and copy root's dot-files to its home  > directory: >  > root@fish# adduser judas  > Enter new UNIX password:   > Retype new UNIX password:9  > root@fish# cp --recursive /root/.[a-zA-Z]* /home/judas 9 > root@fish# chown --recursive judas:judas /home/judas/.*  > B > [Did you spot the difference between regexp arguments for cp and	 > chown?]  > D > After enough trail & error, the X problem is finally solved; it is= > about time to remove the user. While trying to speed up the @ > procedure a bit, thorough study of a terse man page reveals an > appealing option:  > - > root@fish# deluser --remove-all-files judas  > B > Cha-ching! Enters disaster! The unfortunate option makes deluserE > search the entire disk looking for files owned by judas and erasing  > them!  >   > Contents of /home disappeared.   Heh. Oops...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:09:43 -0000* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> Subject: Re: JPEG viewer? 5 Message-ID: <av3k0s$bjgpi$2@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   A "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message   news:3E14B8F3.1070900@Free.fr... > John Travell a crit: B > > "PRSTSC::DTL" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message2 > > news:3e146cae$0$22306$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > > L > >>I'm looking for a JPEG viewer a bit more simple than www.imagemagick.org > >>found in the OpenVMS FAQ.  > >> > >  > >  > > Mozilla ?? :-) > 
 > Mozzarella?  > :-)  >  Oh very cheezy.. :-)     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 17/12/2002    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:04:17 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: JPEG viewer? ) Message-ID: <3E156021.C2EB3BEF@127.0.0.1>    Hans Vlems wrote:  >  > XV, on the Freeware CD?     Prebuilt versions are available:   http://www.trilon.com/xv/   # Go to "All Things XV" then "GIMME!"   C For the record, I succumbed to a digital camera which uses a memory D stick and produces photographic quality / sized images. It skips theH processing and scanning stages, but they are way too big for web use. SoH I used Imagemagick to resize a 1.7 MB JPEG at 2272 x 1704 (IIRC) to 1024F x 768 and a little interlaced gif, all from the DCL command line (wellD using a command file to process a series) and the resultant renderedD quality is better than any paid for PC package I've used. I burn the$ original images to CD for posterity.  C XV can resize and export images from one to another with reasonable  quality too, but no batch mode.  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:41:38 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> Subject: Re: JPEG viewer? & Message-ID: <3E1576F2.9010905@Free.fr>  Q So, XV is to VMS what GraphicConverter is to MAC OS and PaintShop Pro to LostDoz?    D.   Nic Clews a crit:E > For the record, I succumbed to a digital camera which uses a memory F > stick and produces photographic quality / sized images. It skips theJ > processing and scanning stages, but they are way too big for web use. SoJ > I used Imagemagick to resize a 1.7 MB JPEG at 2272 x 1704 (IIRC) to 1024H > x 768 and a little interlaced gif, all from the DCL command line (wellF > using a command file to process a series) and the resultant renderedF > quality is better than any paid for PC package I've used. I burn the& > original images to CD for posterity. > E > XV can resize and export images from one to another with reasonable ! > quality too, but no batch mode.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:00:36 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> Subject: Re: JPEG viewer? & Message-ID: <3E157B64.5090809@Free.fr>  H Thanks, I succeeded to build it, despite numerous dir and subdir errors.   Amazing.P Hovever, I did not find the way to change the density of light (darker, lighter)N Maybe I should start reading some of the ASCII texts in these directories? :-)   D.   Nic Clews a crit:% > Go to "All Things XV" then "GIMME!"  > E > For the record, I succumbed to a digital camera which uses a memory F > stick and produces photographic quality / sized images. It skips theJ > processing and scanning stages, but they are way too big for web use. SoJ > I used Imagemagick to resize a 1.7 MB JPEG at 2272 x 1704 (IIRC) to 1024H > x 768 and a little interlaced gif, all from the DCL command line (wellF > using a command file to process a series) and the resultant renderedF > quality is better than any paid for PC package I've used. I burn the& > original images to CD for posterity. > E > XV can resize and export images from one to another with reasonable ! > quality too, but no batch mode.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:45:00 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: JPEG viewer? ) Message-ID: <3E1593DC.19E2D7C3@127.0.0.1>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > J > Thanks, I succeeded to build it, despite numerous dir and subdir errors. > 
 > Amazing.R > Hovever, I did not find the way to change the density of light (darker, lighter)P > Maybe I should start reading some of the ASCII texts in these directories? :-)  5 It's hidden in the colourmap editor. Hit lowercase e.   E Otherwise, you can bring up a menu by right clicking the image, and a  number of options appear.   H XV is not really as powerful as the other graphics programs you mention,E e.g. filter plug ins, drawing, cloning. However, check out a smoothed E GIF produced by XV, and a GIF exported from some other package. (s to  smooth, much better than blur).    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri,  3 Jan 2003 11:16:24 +0100 5 From: "GWDVMS::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de> * Subject: Re: Machine checks not always .... Message-ID: <E18UOsK-0002uk-00@mailer.gwdg.de>  1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:  >[...]M > It is interesting that in the FAQ, it is specifically written that all 3100 O > workstations are so restricted with no hope of getting a rom upgrade and that L > it is only microvax 3100s which are upgradable. Why is that ? Wouldn't the > ROMs be the same ?  E Actually the "3100" ROMs are all a bit different, because they define F the "personality" of the various models ... and then there are various versions of each one around.  ! Maybe I should remind everyone of   2 	ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/vms/ka420/readme.txt (etc.)  < where you find ROM patches for *some* 3100 models/versions. : More can likely be devised, but my access to ROMs has been limited ...   M Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 201-1516/-1510, moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de M GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |    Disclaimer: No claim intended! M http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ---- <w.moeller@ieee.org>    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:06:19 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)+ Subject: Re: New Marvel machines? New news? L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0301030906200001@user-2ive194.dialup.mindspring.com>  < In article <3E14B1BB.D664332@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels  <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote:  C >The last I heard, HP was supposed to announce the new EV7 (Marvel)  >machines this month.    The month isn't over yet.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 07:01:15 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: RE: New Marvel machines? New news? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEJLGFAA.tom@kednos.com>   5 They are available for testdrives on a rotating basis 9 amongst VMS, Tru64 and Linux since September.  We putup a  link on our site.    >-----Original Message----- : >From: Robert Deininger [mailto:rdeininger@mindspring.com]' >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:06 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, >Subject: Re: New Marvel machines? New news? >  > = >In article <3E14B1BB.D664332@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels ! ><lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote:  > D >>The last I heard, HP was supposed to announce the new EV7 (Marvel) >>machines this month. >  >The month isn't over yet. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:51:01 -0600 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>+ Subject: Re: New Marvel machines? New news? 8 Message-ID: <h8cb1vkk7fnud0e4grvjrinhjleg8tqu1u@4ax.com>  L On 2 Jan 2003 22:36:17 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  _ >In article <3E14B1BB.D664332@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes: E >> The last I heard, HP was supposed to announce the new EV7 (Marvel)  >> machines this month.A >> i >> I >> Any new information? Gossip?t >EH >There was lots at the VMS Symposium in Nashua, but were aren't supposedH >to say.   The parts I heard will not disappoint you, but then again the* >parts I heard did not include pricing :-)  L Actually, I thought the price on the one I ordered was very good.  Much less9 than I was expecting.  Even for a non-existant system :-)    Dave Harrold    N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold at aurora.orgI Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204nI                                            Pager:          (414) 941-4634?G Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999: 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215I   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 08:48:07 -0800t1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)t+ Subject: Re: New Marvel machines? New news?a= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0301030848.1d0bcb14@posting.google.com>E   Lyndon,w  ' What type of information do you want?      sues  c Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in message news:<3E14B1BB.D664332@pressenter.com>... D > The last I heard, HP was supposed to announce the new EV7 (Marvel) > machines this month. >  >  > Any new information? Gossip?   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 11:26:42 -0600i- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)u+ Subject: Re: New Marvel machines? New news?e3 Message-ID: <OZvztXtN3OB+@eisner.encompasserve.org>e   In article <rdeininger-0301030906200001@user-2ive194.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:-> > In article <3E14B1BB.D664332@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels" > <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote: > D >>The last I heard, HP was supposed to announce the new EV7 (Marvel) >>machines this month. >  > The month isn't over yet.u  / Let's see, how can we argue with _that_ ?   :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 03 Jan 2003 21:38:03 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>I Subject: Re: Now "Is HELP on unix" [WAS : RE: is VMS really easy to use?] - Message-ID: <878yy2mk04.fsf@prep.synonet.com>3  ! Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:&   > Steve Spires wrote:a >  > > [...snip...] > >.# > > Digital UNIX V4.0F  (Rev. 1229). > >  > > su on HULL clinicom # help > >i > > The commands: @ > >     man -k keyword      lists commands relevant to a keywordE > >     man command         prints out the manual pages for a command-7 > > are helpful; other basic commands are: [...snip...]: > L > Is it just me, or shouldn't the Unix command be "hlp" rather than "help" ?  5 Yes but for it to be convieniently readable, you need1 hlp|less   :) -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:16:01 -00000 From: "Andrew Dodd" <Andrew.J.Dodd@zzzabchp.com>: Subject: Re: Of Galaxy, Infiniband and Distributed Caching1 Message-ID: <DpdR9.1$6F3.103519@news.cpqcorp.net>l  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e9 wrote in message news:3E116BB2.2050505@nospamn.sun.com...v  F I'm sorry Andrew, my brain is clearly not yet in 2003 mode but I don't follow your math of RAC vs SMP.s  I Assuming that you are in pounds sterling, where did you add in Oracle fora the SF68000?  8 I also couldn't match the addition for the RAC solution.   Thanks.    Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:14:29 +0000-' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy3: Subject: Re: Of Galaxy, Infiniband and Distributed Caching. Message-ID: <3E157095.4080301@nospamn.sun.com>   Andrew Dodd wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>i; > wrote in message news:3E116BB2.2050505@nospamn.sun.com...l > H > I'm sorry Andrew, my brain is clearly not yet in 2003 mode but I don't! > follow your math of RAC vs SMP.- > K > Assuming that you are in pounds sterling, where did you add in Oracle for. > the SF68000? >    Firstly its dollarsR  7 Secondly I didn't include the cost of the DBMS licences 3 in tthe F6800 just the difference in Licence costs.e   F68003   16 x CPU (40K per CPU)   Clustera   32 x CPU (40K per CPU DBMS)s  3 So the difference for the base licenses is 16 CPU'sr  
 or 640,000  * Then you add 32 x RAC + 32 x Partitioning.  
 or 960,000  - So the Cluster costs 1,600,000 more in Oracle. licenses than SMP.   Regardsh Andrew Harrisonc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:31:10 +0000f' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyu: Subject: Re: Of Galaxy, Infiniband and Distributed Caching. Message-ID: <3E15909E.8060208@nospamn.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ; > wrote in message news:3E116BB2.2050505@nospamn.sun.com...- >  >> >>Bill Todd wrote: >  >  > ...1 >  > J >>>With that kind of bandwidth and latency, if RAC doesn't scale well then >> > it's > I >>>doing something wrong.  Of course, being limited to 8 cluster nodes isgG >>>several orders of magnitude smaller than IB clusters can potentially8 >> > scalep > E >>>to - and while 8 nodes may be all Sun aspires to, that's extremely  >>
 > limiting > F >>>for other kinds of useful configurations (especially when you start< >>>including intelligent shared storage nodes in the total). >>>t >>>h >>8 >>The problem is that even with just 2 nodes if you only7 >>get 50% additional performance from adding the second 4 >>node then RAC doesn't work from a cost standpoint. >>6 >>Even if you assume say >70% for the first node and a3 >>loss of 10% per additional node you end up with 8p2 >>being the maximum number of nodes where you will >>get a return.H >  > H > None of which in any way contradicts my suggestion that if RAC in factL > scales that poorly it's poorly designed (or at least poorly configured forL > the task being run).  Nor does it eliminate the utility of the other kindsH > of larger cluster configurations (running tasks other than RAC) that I > mentioned. >   5 I am not sure that its fair to say that RAC is poorlyn1 designed. It would be fairer to say that it triesg2 to make the best of a bad job. Even with something5 like Sun Fire Link you are looking at an interconnectc0 that is at least an order of magnitude worse for1 both latency and bandwidth than an SMP backplane.s  3 RAC tries its best to hide this, sometimes it workss sometimes it doesn't.r  5 If you happen to have a DBMS that needs more resourcec4 than the largest available SMP server then using RAC/ is one option to look at to try to address your  problem.  / In many of the other scenarios (except the veryo1 scalable in a cluster one) RAC isn't the solutiont4 instead whatever the platform, the solution is buy a4 bigger SMP server. Of course RAC is also good for HA0 so this worthwhile side effect may make RAC cost3 effective if you are also using it for scalability.   1 As you quite rightly point out RAC isn't the onlyr0 application that might benefit from running in a5 cluster. Grids, web farms, HPC etc all either benefitm0 from running in a cluster or provide a clustered service.  4 RAC is however one of the favourite apps for OpenVMS0 cluster protagonists, whether this is a sensible1 example depends on your app and also very much one/ the kind of deal you get from your suppliers ine. terms of platform costs and licensing options.   Regardst Andrew Harrisonr   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:48:27 +0100< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Journal4 Message-ID: <av3tak$bhrc1$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:t6 > susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes: D >> Well it is Jan 2nd and no one has asked how the OpenVMS Technical >> Journal is coming along?a >> sE >> So is it that you forgot I said that the first one would be out inn >> January 2003? >> orA  >> Maybe you are not interested? >tD > I subscribed to the journal using an e-mail address that no longerE > exists.  For my sake, and the sake of those who have followed up in E > this thread, asking for details, would you mind terribly re-postingh > the link to subscribe? :  2 As can easily be found from the OpenVMS Home Page:    < http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/journal/subscribe.html   cu,e   Martin   -- nI One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  | VMS & WNT programmeri7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de-I One OS to bring them all      |  http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/y? And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de :   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 06:43:54 -0800 ( From: rrb35146@yahoo.com (Robbie Benton)/ Subject: Problem with Mini Copy during Shutdown2= Message-ID: <dba64bc2.0301030643.7324bf3a@posting.google.com>   B I have three OpenVMS computers (OpenVMS V7.3-1)in a ethernet-basedA cluster.  Each node has its own system disk, and two of the threeeF serve out two disks that form a shadow set.  A short picture is below:             +----------+C         |  NODE A  |----------------------   (Allocation Class: 31)/*         +----------+       |             |0                      +----------+  +-----------+0                      | SYS DISK |  | DATA DISK |0                      +----------+  +-----------+           +----------+C         |  NODE B  |----------------------   (Allocation Class: 32)n*         +----------+       |             |0                      +----------+  +-----------+0                      | SYS DISK |  | DATA DISK |0                      +----------+  +-----------+           +----------+C         |  NODE C  |--------                 (Allocation Class: 33)t         +----------+       |!                      +----------+f!                      | SYS DISK |r!                      +----------+c   Each system has a command-  A    MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST  DSA0:/SHADOW=($31$DKA200:,$32$DKA200:) i  D to mount the shadow set.  This mount is performed in SYLOGICALS.COM,D and following the successful mount several Logical Names are definedB to access SYSUAF, RIGHTSLIST, etc., which reside in cluster common files on the shadow set.  D What I desire is to reboot NODEA without incurring a full shadow setA copy operation.  So, before the shutdown of NODEA I performed theh following on NODEB:h  '    dism/cluster $31$DKA200:/policy=minie   to which the system responded:  F    %SHADOW-I-VOLPROC, $31$DKA200: (NODEA) has been removed from shadow set.  8    %SHADOW-I-VOLPROC, DSA0: shadow set has been reduced.  ;    %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-JAN-2003 07:51:06.56  %%%%%%%%%%%i    Message from user WBM$SERVER F   %WBM-I-WBMINFO WBMB addr = FFFFFFFF.81252000 , name = SHAD$SDWA3SH00<   , cpl_rtn = FFFFFFFF.8A9612A8, context = FFFFFFFF.81431FD8  D Subsequent commands showed that there was indeed a bitmap active andE that all three nodes recognized that $31$DKA200 was no longer part of> the shadow set.t  F I then performed a shutdown on NODEA.  At the time during the shutdownD that it displays the message "%SHUTDOWN-I-DISMOUNT, all volumes will= now be dismounted", I receive on NODEB's console the message:B  D    %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-JAN-2003 07:53:33.69  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node&       NODEA at 3-JAN-2003 07:53:33.68)8    $32$DKA200: (NODEB) has been removed from shadow set.  D    %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-JAN-2003 07:53:34.69  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node&       NODEA at 3-JAN-2003 07:53:34.68)    Message from user WBM$SERVERu6    %WBM-I-WBMINFO Deleting bitmap specified by handle.  F At this time, the command SHOW DEVICE/BITMAP on NODEB shows no bitmapsC active for DSA0:, even thought it did before the shutdown on NODEA.i  A Am I doing this wrong?  What is puzzling me the most is that I amlB almost sure this sequence worked a while back, but my memory isn't what it used to be.n  
 Thanks a lot.e   Robbie   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 09:51:21 -0800 0 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)/ Subject: Re: Recovering SYSTEM password when...-= Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0301030951.7ec8a030@posting.google.com>o  _ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E1512F8.C5B5B91@fsi.net>...s > Marco Shaw wrote:  > > I > > Looked throught the FAQ and found references to recovering (changing)5B > > the SYSTEM password.  They mention 'b -fl 0,1' or 'b -fl e,1'. > > J > > Well, I have a Multia, and it boots to a login prompt using a 'foreign > > boot' like so: > >  > > boot dka1,dva0 -fl 0,80000 > > + > > I tried changing the flags to no avail.  > > F > > Any tips before I'm forced to reinstall?  I couldn't find anything# > > relative from the OpenVMS docs.s > G > You should not need the boot floppy. Just boot from your system disk.tF > The console variable bootdef_dev should indicate the correct device: >  > >>> show boot* > H > ...to list the variables matching that pattern. Assuming it's correct, >  > >>> b -fl 0,1e > A > ...should get you to a "SYSBOOT" prompt. From there, follow the@ > instructions in the FAQ: >  > >>> b -fl 0,1  >  >  > SYSBOOT>  SET/STARTUP OPA0:u >   > SYSBOOT>  SET WRITESYSPARAMS 0 >  > SYSBOOT>  CONT > A > When you are faced with a "$" prompt, enter this command first:  >  > $ SET NOON > 1 > ...then proceed with the directions in the FAQ.   D      Since you are logging in before startup.com or systartup_v*.comC has run, most of the system logical names are undefined.   This can * complicate resetting your system password.A      In the past, I have found that the following makes life much  simpler.   $ SPAWNT( %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned: %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process SYSTEM_1
 $ @startup
     :       :r
     :       :U= this will run the startup.com and the systartup_v*.com.    OngC completion it will log out the spawned process and leave you loggeda into the system account.
     :       : 
     :       : 8   Process SYSTEM_1 logged out at  3-JAN-2003 10:42:59.863 %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process SYSTEM  $   %      You can now reset your password.g  D     If you run the startup.com without spawning the process, it will log youl@ out of the system automatically,   leaving you exactly where you started.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:38:18 -0400'0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>& Subject: Re: Sad news from engineering/ Message-ID: <3E1513B9.67678775@vl.videotron.ca>h   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:F > Truly, this woman never forgot the truest values in all of humanity.     <devil's advocate mode on>J Sorrt if this is inapropriate here , at this point in time. And I say thisH with only the minimum amount of information available from that article.  E I realise that the mother wanted to help, but if you have two kids oniK surfboards in heavy seas, even an olympic swimmer couldn't tow them back togJ shore, especially not in street clothes, even in warm waters. What could aL mother accomplish by going into the waters ? Isn't it possible that she fellN into the sea/swept by a wave at which point her safest course of action was toP reach the kids on the surfboards instead of risking being thrown against rocks ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 02:21:13 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>& Subject: Re: Sad news from engineering, Message-ID: <3E1539E9.5030301@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:y   > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > F >>Truly, this woman never forgot the truest values in all of humanity. >> >  >  > <devil's advocate mode on>L > Sorrt if this is inapropriate here , at this point in time. And I say thisJ > with only the minimum amount of information available from that article.    4 Maybe a bit more, if you would have read everything.    G > I realise that the mother wanted to help, but if you have two kids on-M > surfboards in heavy seas, even an olympic swimmer couldn't tow them back to-L > shore, especially not in street clothes, even in warm waters. What could aN > mother accomplish by going into the waters ? Isn't it possible that she fellP > into the sea/swept by a wave at which point her safest course of action was toR > reach the kids on the surfboards instead of risking being thrown against rocks ? >   C It said specifically that both parents attempted to reach the kids.:  O 1) No, it wasn't too smart to go into cold water without protection.  The kids .8 were probably in worse shape, trying to help the mother.  Q 2) Regardless of what's smart, I would have done the same thing, before thinking .P it out a bit.  When your child is in trouble, you don't think too well, and you  act much more quickly.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:00:08 -0000* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>& Subject: Re: Sad news from engineering5 Message-ID: <av3jev$bovgu$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>o  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:av2347$2h0$1@web1.cup.hp.com...L > As you can see from the attached article.  Pat Taylor DECnet engineer died > tragically this week.  >u: > http://www.pressherald.com/news/coast/030102rescue.shtml >  >w  K Having spoken with Pat many times over the past 20 years, I too must add mya condolences. She will be sadly missed.d       John Travell..     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 17/12/2002    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:33:31 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>e; Subject: Re: SAN recommendations mixing VMS, Solaris, Linux $ Message-ID: <3e15c947$1@news.si.com>  H >We would like to implement a SAN (4 TB initially with growth to 100 TB)  K We already have a SAN here, for use by our Novell Netware and Unix systems.sE Any way to allow VAXes to use it as well?  (OpenVMS V7.2, but I could  upgrade to V7.3 if needed.)  --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot come5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991n8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 07:49:04 -0800o) From: munroe@csworks.com (Richard Munroe)y3 Subject: SDCL - Structured Digital Command Languagem: Message-ID: <8d09fa7.0301030749.7d36aa@posting.google.com>  E I've put a distribution of SDCL onto sourceforge.net for download andr9 further development by the OpenVMS Open Source community.-   The project is available at:  )     http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdcl/s  C and is the first of many more of my projects that will be placed onc/ sourceforge to allow easier access to the code.   E For those of you doing a lot of DCL hacking, you should probably look D at this.  I find that my development cycles using SDCL vs. using DCL are much shorter.e   Use it in good health.    Dick Munroe (munroe@csworks.com)  E p.s. I'm looking for work.  If anybody has anything interesting, given% me a shout.  My resume's available atc' http://www.acornsw.com/resume/dick.htmlm   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 09:25:03 -0800a1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)t! Subject: Storage Magazine and VMSn= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0301030925.738c2683@posting.google.com>M  8 I was renewing my subscription to Storage Magazine todayC (http://www.storagemagazine.com/).  This is a monthly magazine witheE unusually high-quality technical content covering developments in theiE storage world, including SANs, NAS, virtualization, data replication,`. backups, and so forth.  I highly recommend it.  > Their free-subscription qualification questionnaire asks aboutC operating system platorms, and I was pleased to see "VMS" as one ofm@ the regular choices -- one didn't have to fill in the name in an# "Other" category as one often does.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:18:18 +00002 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>% Subject: Re: Storage Magazine and VMSl4 Message-ID: <20030103181818.F30500@eisenschmidt.org>  F While Storage does discuss VMS sometimes, I have to disagree with yourE assesment. I was interviewed in November's issue, and the article was A factually incorrect (the author kept confusing RAID 0+1 and 1+0),lF difficult to follow (something like eight people were interviewed, and? the flow was all over the place), and they spelled my last name @ incorrectly half of the time (not all of the time, just half). IB emailed both the author and the editors over a month ago and never heard back.   ? And frankly, any magazine without a letters section isn't worthl5 reading -- there's no way to keep them on their toes.   C Rumor has it that Keith Parris (keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com) said:N: > I was renewing my subscription to Storage Magazine todayE > (http://www.storagemagazine.com/).  This is a monthly magazine withhG > unusually high-quality technical content covering developments in theoG > storage world, including SANs, NAS, virtualization, data replication, 0 > backups, and so forth.  I highly recommend it. > @ > Their free-subscription qualification questionnaire asks aboutE > operating system platorms, and I was pleased to see "VMS" as one ofeB > the regular choices -- one didn't have to fill in the name in an% > "Other" category as one often does.S   --  / John W. Eisenschmidt (jweisen@eisenschmidt.org)t.   http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/pgp.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 04:08:35 -0400s0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>& Subject: Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth/ Message-ID: <3E1544F8.5781D1FD@vl.videotron.ca>    Carl Perkins wrote: H > Way back when, roughly 1983, I got cought calling the phsyical memory,> > e.g. RAM, of an 11/780 "core" by someone who thought it odd.  C What surprises me is how long IBM types called disk drives DASD (to J differentiate from tape and keypunch storage which wasn't "direct access")A even though the rest of the world had long gone to "hard drives".-   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 07:27:24 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e& Subject: Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth3 Message-ID: <7HnKc5R40lsA@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  V In article <2JAN200322230368@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:H > Way back when, roughly 1983, I got cought calling the phsyical memory,I > e.g. RAM, of an 11/780 "core" by someone who thought it odd. Why did I?lE > I picked it up from the people I worked for and with. Why did they?pF > Because that's what they had always called that sort of thing - theyD > didn't care if it was real "core" type memory, it was the physicalF > memory and they always called it "core". At that point I didn't careG > what the difference was (and was barely aware of the difference), andrF > neither did they. The expression was apparently pretty commonly used > that way back then.   D    Once upon a time we had a facility with 3 PDP-11, 2 PDP-10, and 8B    11/780.  One of the engineers came by and said we were going toD    replace the 1MB core in the 2050, I thought he was talking out of	    habit.h      Nope.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:01:44 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGI Subject: Re: VERY ON-TOPIC:  quoted-printable shit and Mickey$chlock mail 0 Message-ID: <00A19686.D637C4D4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <d8PssS4TVPwU@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  >In article <rdeininger-0201032217520001@user-2ive126.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:< >> In article <00A195DD.789A105D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  >> @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:l >> eI >>>Is there anyway to configure Mickey$chlock mail programs to include ord >>>send text as plain/text?" >> i >> AFAIK, there is not.> >> eM >> I have offered a bounty of 100 quatloos for instructions explaining how toPH >> force Nanosoft Outhouse to send plain text messages.  No one has come >> forward.$ >> 4 >> wJ >>>I'm trying to get PAKs from DEComHPaq and all I get is printed-quotableJ >>>shit which is a royal pain in the arse to edit to create a "normal" PAKJ >>>procedure.  This wouldn't be a problem if DEComHPaq would shun the evil% >>>empire and use their own products.e >> h >>  K >> Ask HP to send the PAKs by email directly from the VMS system where theyD >> are generated.a >DH >The fellow who used to send out the CSA PAKs that way left the company.F >Obviously they are currently done with various techniques, since mineG >did not come with that particular defect.  They did try to send a .DOCs >file for us to sign, however.  F Same here.  They finally FAXed me a copy to sign and FAX back.  It hasI not, however, changed my status according to the highly flawed with Java-a scrap /DSPP web site.s   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMc            a5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 11:25:09 -06000- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) I Subject: Re: VERY ON-TOPIC:  quoted-printable shit and Mickey$chlock mailh3 Message-ID: <0yOMzZaCv$vR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A19686.D637C4D4@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:ze > In article <d8PssS4TVPwU@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:d >>In article <rdeininger-0201032217520001@user-2ive126.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: = >>> In article <00A195DD.789A105D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- n >>> @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> J >>>>Is there anyway to configure Mickey$chlock mail programs to include or >>>>send text as plain/text? >>>  >>> AFAIK, there is not. >>> N >>> I have offered a bounty of 100 quatloos for instructions explaining how toI >>> force Nanosoft Outhouse to send plain text messages.  No one has comes >>> forward. >>>  >>> K >>>>I'm trying to get PAKs from DEComHPaq and all I get is printed-quotabletK >>>>shit which is a royal pain in the arse to edit to create a "normal" PAKtK >>>>procedure.  This wouldn't be a problem if DEComHPaq would shun the evilr& >>>>empire and use their own products. >>>  >>> L >>> Ask HP to send the PAKs by email directly from the VMS system where they >>> are generated. >>I >>The fellow who used to send out the CSA PAKs that way left the company. G >>Obviously they are currently done with various techniques, since mine H >>did not come with that particular defect.  They did try to send a .DOC >>file for us to sign, however.J > H > Same here.  They finally FAXed me a copy to sign and FAX back.  It hasK > not, however, changed my status according to the highly flawed with Java-d > scrap /DSPP web site.g  F We got ours in the mail today, and will mail it back (certified mail).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:06:21 -0000* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> Subject: Re: VMS troublesm5 Message-ID: <av3k0s$bjgpi$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>n  0 <nospam@nouce.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message1 news:3e150909.4047846185@news.bellatlantic.net...yE > On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:14:28 -0700, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>M > wrote:  C > Ran ultrix on a VAX using a rd52 but there wasn't much user spaceo > left.   J Used to have a Vax workstation running VMS 6.2, Decwindows and TCPIP on an" RD52. No room for much else tho...       John Travell     ---v& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 17/12/2002e   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jan 2003 07:24:30 -06000; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)R Subject: Re: VMS troublesD3 Message-ID: <murPKqW10oSf@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  d In article <av2vvj$bosb6$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > J > No contest.  RT-11 was a lean, mean OS.  I once did software developmentM > with RT-11 and DEC COBOL on an LSI-11/02 with 28KW memory and 4 RX01 disks.:  H    DEC squeezed enough RT-11 onto a single 8 inch low density floppy to    boot an 11/780.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:37:25 -0600% From: "vmstroubles" <jmmyre@wisc.edu>r Subject: Re: VMS troubles,/ Message-ID: <v1bghkkttr9v2f@corp.supernews.com>,  L Well, here is the update, since the vax is only one of projects here i don'tG get to spend as much time on it as i like.  I thought it may be the theeH RQDX3 controller card because the diagnostics software was throwing fitsD about it, so today i swapped it out with replacement card but now myJ terminal doesn't connect.  Talk about frustrating.  I am going to get back( to it.  Thanks for all of your help btw.   JoeK   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:40:56 -0600% From: "vmstroubles" <jmmyre@wisc.edu>t Subject: Re: VMS troublesa/ Message-ID: <v1bghl4pud3s30@corp.supernews.com>   D Here is the latest update from my end of the stick.  The diagnosticsI software that we are running was throwing fits about the RQDX3 controlelr I card so i swapped it out with a replacement card to see what would happenyE and now my terminal isn't connecting.  I am going to get back to thateK project now seeing that i have many others here and i don't get to spend as K much time on it as i like ( they said that as soon as i get the informationtK off of the tapes for them and transfer to it to a newer PC i could take thec4 vax home with me :-).  Thanks for all your help btw.   Joel   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:54:44 -0600% From: "vmstroubles" <jmmyre@wisc.edu>: Subject: Re: VMS troubles// Message-ID: <v1bhbgo40sk10d@corp.supernews.com>-  D Ok i got the terminal working so no need to fuss about that anymore.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:57:01 -0600% From: "vmstroubles" <jmmyre@wisc.edu>  Subject: Re: VMS troublese/ Message-ID: <v1bhfq667d1u69@corp.supernews.com>s  L Just to clarify, unless this old hard disc works that apparently went bad (iH still think it was the controller card) there is no OS on the machine at all.   joeE   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:27:33 -0500* From: "Chris Moore" <moore_mc@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: VMS troublesm3 Message-ID: <bKjR9.233769$C8.714704@nnrp1.uunet.ca>r   Dan O'Reilly wrote:  >eC > I used to fit all of RT-11 and Time-Shared DIBOL on a single RX02a > floppy of 512 blocks!  <grin>t >  > ------  K My first project after college was to build a Steel Rolling process monitor L application on a PDP 11/04 with 32 Kb and 2 RX01's (half the capacity of theL RX02s).  RT-11, Fortran compiler and Linker on one, all the application codeL and exe's on the other (no room for multiple versions of ANY files....we hadJ to delete the old exe's BEFORE re-compiling the apps)  After some hardwareJ troubles, we experimented and found that the o/s and application exe's allH fit on ONE RX01, and the system ran fine in 24 Kb of memory --- damn I'm older than dirt!  K (interesting how we evolve from "mine's bigger than your's" to "I worked on D a smaller one than you" ......LOL --- now THAT is a sign of old age)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:32:43 -0600% From: "vmstroubles" <jmmyre@wisc.edu>o Subject: Re: VMS troubles:/ Message-ID: <v1bjip2ckmdlad@corp.supernews.com>-  I Another update, I installed the replacement RQDX3 controller card and ranlI the diagnostics software and the card passed apparently but it gave me ang4 error after all of the tests were done.  Here it is.  / _______________________________________________    FAILURE DETECTED  ,     A failure was detected while testing the  5         OPTION: RQDXA Winchester/diskette controller.   6     The Field Replacable Unit (FRU) Identified is the:  "         The controller is the FRU.  =     Consult your system documentation for the action to take.t  / _______________________________________________u  % Anyone have any ideas?  Thanks again.    Joe. >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:37:04 -0600c0 From: Earl Lakia <Lakia_n_o__s_p_a_m_@ipact.com> Subject: Re: Working with Locksw1 Message-ID: <-sidnd1JCp32AoijXTWcqQ@netnitco.net>    Nic Clews wrote: > Earl Lakia wrote:. > J >>Besides the Programming Concepts Manual, OpenVMS Internals Manual, thereH >>used to be a publication, OpenVMS technical Journal.  They had a greatI >>article on the Distributed Lock Manager.  This publication is no longer D >>available, but I have a copy and might be persuaded to FAX you theC >>article or email in a TIF or something.  Maybe it is available asW >>a white paper somewhere. >  > O > http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJ000/dtj-back-issues.htmu > = > Vol 3 Number 3 looks like it could be worthwhile reading...  > ' > (Which issue where you referring to?)3  > I went looking on by book shelf for the particular publication and it seems to be missing.   ? I also had a nice document from DECUS.  It seems Digital at the = time sold the distributed lock manager to Microsoft and there 9 was an API published.  Don't know if it went any further.s  7 Windows clusters still aren't anywhere near the OpenVMS-7 clusters.  The lock manager is one of the main reasons.0   -earlm   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.006 ************************