0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 05 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 10      Contents:. Branches - Tape and MO data library automation' Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement ! Re: Finding info on Alpha Systems B Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning Re: is VMS really easy to use? Re: is VMS really easy to use?" Re: New Marvel machines? New news?" Re: New Marvel machines? New news?P PLV$PS_EXEC_ROUTINE_FLAGS  (Was: Volatility of Argument Registers in EXEC mode R Purveyor for OpenVMS@ Re: VERY ON-TOPIC:  quoted-printable shit and Mickey$chlock mail@ Re: VERY ON-TOPIC:  quoted-printable shit and Mickey$chlock mail@ Re: VERY ON-TOPIC:  quoted-printable shit and Mickey$chlock mail% RE: VMS in Vegas (Was [OT] Lotteries) % RE: VMS in Vegas (Was [OT] Lotteries) % Re: VMS in Vegas (Was [OT] Lotteries) 4 Re: wallpaper for the "normal" DECWindows interface? Re: XV picture editor thoughts Re: XV picture editor thoughts+ Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year) + Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2003 03:47:39 -0800 ) From: munroe@csworks.com (Richard Munroe) 7 Subject: Branches - Tape and MO data library automation < Message-ID: <8d09fa7.0301050347.26acfe7e@posting.google.com>  E I've put a distribution of Branches onto sourceforge.net for download  and 9 further development by the OpenVMS Open Source community.    The project is available at:  -     http://sourceforge.net/projects/branches/   < For those of you wrestling with the whole problem of archiveC management, lights out operation, giving users access to tapes, and F NOT wanting to dedicate an operator or buy a whole lot of tape drives, check out Branches.   A On Sourceforge is an Alpha only kit.  I no longer have a VAX with C which to develop Branches so OpenVMS/VAX is unsupported although as 3 far as I know it should still compile and function.   D The source kit may be incomplete.  I'm still pulling in various bitsE and pieces of things and will be updating it as time goes on.  If you @ grab a copy and find something missing let me know so that I can update the source kit.  E There are no longer any licenses required, so do the installation and 
 go for it.  B For more details on Branches, check out the old Acorn Software web site:        http://www.acornsw.com/    Use it in good health.    Dick Munroe (munroe@csworks.com)  E p.s. I'm looking for work.  If anybody has anything interesting, give % me a shout.  My resume's available at ' http://www.acornsw.com/resume/dick.html    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2003 10:36:16 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)0 Subject: Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301051036.50095e5c@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E16340F.65A9E9DB@fsi.net>... > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Q > > Is  BG0: mounted ? Yes, or No. If BG0: doesn't exist, then it is stll correct $ > > to state that it is not mounted. >  [...] M > > Mounted and available should behave as EXIST in the case where the device # > > doesn't exist. Just my opinion.  > E > What should the o.s. report about other non-existant items? ...like 8 > memory that does not exist in the system, for example? > E > Should DELETE of a non-existant file act like DELETE/SINCE where no % > files match the selection criteria?  >  [...] H > Where do we stop making brash assumptions and begin to report reality?  C I don't think JF is making "brash assumptions". He is simply asking C the question "Is there a device with the name <device-name> that is C available for mounting?" He doesn't care *why* it may or may not be F available for mounting. And he expects to get the answer, with TRUE or+ FALSE being the only possible answers, from D F$GETDVI("device-name","AVL"). Of course that's not how that lexical? function works. You and I have argued that it is more logically D consistent with other keywords of that lexical function and the rest& of VMS for it to work the way it does.  D You have also argued that it makes no sense to ask questions about aC non-existent device. At this point, it is getting too much into the D arbitrariness of semantics. On the one hand, you can say, well if itD doesn't exists, it certainly isn't available. You can say, "There isD no device with that name that is available". That makes sense. OTOH,A you can say that since it doesn't exist, it makes no sense to ask D questions about it. That makes sense, too. They both make sense, butE with different meanings for the question of a device being available.   B Re the freeblocks question: You can say that a device that doesn't@ exist has zero free blocks. That makes sense. Are there any freeC blocks? Why of course not! There's no such device! Yet, at the same 8 time, it doesn't matter, because there's no such device!  D Ah! And there is the crucial difference between these qualities of a, device that does exist and one that doesn't:  = Assume a device that is unavailable and has zero free blocks:   D If the device exists: You can likely make it available and also free up some used blocks.  B If the device doesn't exist: You can't make it available and can't free up some blocks.   You can look at it this way:    ? JF's view: There is no device with that name that is available.   D Dachtera's view: There is no device with that name, so you can't ask questions about it.   6 The lexical function F$GETDVI assumes the latter view.   OK?    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 03 15:14:26 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) * Subject: Re: Finding info on Alpha Systems) Message-ID: <ulrubchyBc1z@elias.decus.ch>   b In article <3E16BE37.7090504@vajhoej.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: > Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:> >> Care to explain your rants ? Or did you forget the smiley ?I >> Goto Servers or Workstations Home Page, then to Alpha Servers or Alpha  >> Workstations.J >> Sad is only, DS10, DS20e and ES40 are the current workstation offeringsJ >> (btw. where is the XP900 and XP1000 ?) while servers cover the DS25 and( >> ES45 (and even the GS series) also... > ! > XP900 is DS10 as far as I know.  >  > XP1000 is EOL'ed I assume. >   B $ SHOW CPU on my XP900 at work does report XP900 rather than DS10.A I honestly don't know what the difference is (cache size or other  subtle variations perhaps?).   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 14:56:22 +0000 , From: Chris Quayle <lightwork@aerosys.co.uk>K Subject: Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning - Message-ID: <3E184796.2FEB036A@aerosys.co.uk>    Sue Skonetski wrote: >  >  From: Skonetski, Susan + > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:15 AM  > To: Skonetski, Susan > M > This may not translate so well in other countries but it is very true here. D > There are good and bad sides to everything but here is my 2 cents. > ' > remember building forts in the woods?  > L > remember packing your peanut butter sandwich (on white bread) and being in3 > the woods all day and coming in when it was dark?  > N > remember your Dad putting gas in the car while smoking?  My dad even cut the > seatbelts out of our car.  > 9 > remember A&W root beer in the really thick frosty mugs?  > H > everyone wanted to be a space explorer, fireman or a doctor and no one% > wanted to be an internet executive?  > D > Remember when the "Man from Uncle" had the really cool technology? >  >  Warm Regards, >  > sue  >   H And despite Vietnam etc, remember when there was so much to admire aboutC America, such as pursuit of excellence, zero defects and the can do ( attitude that first put men on the moon.  G Now, it seems like gangsters have taken over the circus. Jackboots, pc, E crypto fascism and too many people in power who can't hear the rhythm  for the noise of the drum...   Chris    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2003 14:26:12 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)' Subject: Re: is VMS really easy to use? 5 Message-ID: <av9fa4$dd0bt$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   ? In article <864a9baf4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, < 	Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes:0 > In message <v1a70r26ehbef5@corp.supernews.com>. >           Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote: > - >> Paul Sture <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote: B >> : Now your quest is to get out of it - CTRL/C won't let you :-)H >> : Answer: Q or E. CTRL/Z does get me back to the command line prompt,1 >> : but with the mysterious message "Suspended".  >>  G >> There's nothing mysterious about it.  ^Z forces the current shell to I >> the background.  It's very handy, like SPAWN, but w/o all the overhead  >> of process creation.  >>  9 >> fg will bring your background shell to the foreground.  > K > And that's one of my bigger irritations on the few occasions I had to use M > Unix. I am so used to using ctrl-Z to exit things that I ended up with lots @ > of background processes, and then it wouldn't let me log out.   B And, in the usual fashion for this group, this information is also totally wrong.  F Typng ^Z does not put anything in the background, it suspends the job.E One can then type "bg" to put it in the background, but otehrwise, it  is not still running.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2003 09:59:11 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)' Subject: Re: is VMS really easy to use? = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301050959.1b4667cf@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E1722B0.46E17DFD@fsi.net>... > Paul Sture wrote:  > >  [...] P > > A real phone conversation from way back when (we were using VT220s or VT320s
 > > then): > > , > > Me:   Helpdesk here, how can I help you?J > > User: Help blocks my machine. I need to switch it off then on again toC > >       get it working and ... (insert someone's life story here) , > > Me:   What happens if you press CTRL/Q ?O > > User: Wow, that's brought it back to life, but the help still doesn't work. P > > Me:   This help key wouldn't happen to say "Hold" beneath the "F1" would it? > > User: Ooh yes, it does. L > > Me:   Look at the right of the top row, the key marked "Help" is the one > >       we use here.0 > > User: Oh thanks ever so much (gush gush etc) >  > Reminds me of: >  > o The "cup holder" story.   E I don't know this one, except, of course, that it must have something  to do with the CD-ROM tray.   J > o The help desk person who got fired for telling a caller to pack up theG > computer and return because he was too stupid to have a computer. The G > user was calling because the computer wouldn't start (it was during a # > power outage at the user's home).   C If you're talking about the WordPerfect help desk story, then it is : almost certainly a hoax (or someone was overly creative inC transcribing the story thereby "framing himself"). The evidence for . this is within the dialog of the story itself!  E Also, the one I'm thinking about is in the user's office. Maybe yours > is a different story. In mine, the computer was working at theD beginning of the story. "Well, I was just typing along, and all of a+ sudden the words went away", the user said.   B There are many Web pages with this story. The words vary slightly,; including the frequent omission of a curse word at the end.    Still, a fun read.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman   C Stay tuned! We'll be right back with more commercials. But first, a  few minutes of the program.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:06:13 +0100$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>+ Subject: Re: New Marvel machines? New news? + Message-ID: <00A19832.EC54ABFC.11@decus.de>   $ "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:   > [...]  > 7 > Whomever administers the web site ought to change the 8 > Industriestandardserver link to read 'Wintel Servers'.  ? As far as I know Compaq and HP had and "The New HP" have strong D relations with Intel and Microsoft, so using the expression "Wintel"C (considered pejorative by most readers) would probably call lawyers  into action.   > If that's the - > 'standard' the industry aspires to, sheesh!   < I suppose the current industry directions are (1) "Lower the& standards!" and (2) "Make it cheaper!"  4 Intel and Microsoft set the "standards", don't they?   Michael    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 03 15:29:05 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) + Subject: Re: New Marvel machines? New news? ) Message-ID: <7rBEaxIgf5Ln@elias.decus.ch>   R In article <00A1977F.BE34EA95.13@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:2 > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote: > ? >> In article <3E14B1BB.D664332@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels # > <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes: G >> > The last I heard, HP was supposed to announce the new EV7 (Marvel)  >> > machines this month.  >> > >> >! >> > Any new information? Gossip?  >>J >> There was lots at the VMS Symposium in Nashua, but were aren't supposedJ >> to say.   The parts I heard will not disappoint you, but then again the, >> parts I heard did not include pricing :-) > D > Prices are available online from the Compaq/HP (Germany) web site,$ > including ES47 and GS1280 systems: > H > http://www1.compaq.de/preisliste/pricelist.aspx?category_id=85505.0&ca > tegory_name=AlphaServer  >  > (Be aware of line wrapping!) > F > The page itself is in German of course but navigation should be easyA > since the system names and specifications are in plain English.  > H > Note: The prices mentioned are for "base" systems excluding options so4 > "real" systems may be a bit more expensive ... :-) > ! > (1 Euro = 1 US-$ approximately)  > 0 LOL at the thought of buying a GS1280 online :-)   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:22:10 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> Y Subject: PLV$PS_EXEC_ROUTINE_FLAGS  (Was: Volatility of Argument Registers in EXEC mode R 0 Message-ID: <av9pk1$b5r$1@sparta.btinternet.com>   Hi,   F For those of you who didn't know the flags fields in the PLV should beL specified as pointers to an array of  *longword* flags rather than by value.K It makes absolutely wonderful sense, as you can specify different flags for G each service. In hindsight, it's a bit of a school boy error really but L given documentation such as the following I could be forgiven for getting it wrong.  9 This from table 30-2 in the Programming concepts manual:-    >>>>> I Kernel Routine Flags Vector  PLV$PS_KERNEL_ROUTINE_FLAGS  Contains either F the address of an array of *quadwords* that contains the defined flagsL associated with each kernel system service, or a zero. If a flag is set, the@ kernel mode service may return the status SS$_WAIT_CALLERS_MODE.  J Executive Routine Flags Vector  PLV$PS_EXEC_ROUTINE_FLAGS  Contains a zero? value, because there are *no* defined flags for executive mode.  <<<<<<  I I cannot (and will not) code in the virus that is C,C++,C# but thankfully I sys$examples:uwss.c made it reasonably clear. (It's about the *only* that G was clear from that example! Has anyone proof read the comments on that  thing?)   : Anyway I'll enclose a Macro-32 example for the interested.   Regards Richard Maher   D PS: Was PLV$M_CLRREG once described in the Guide to System Security?   ;++  ; 4 ; (c) Copyright Tier3 Software. All rights reserved. ; @ ;     Ownership of this software and all associated intellectual@ ;     property rights remain vested in Tier3 Software Ltd.  This@ ;     software  or any other copies thereof  may not be provided6 ;     or otherwise made available to any other person. ; * ;     Do not remove this copyright notice. ;  ;     Author: Richard Maher  ;  ;-- E         .macro define_service,name,narg=0,flags=0,mode=exec,?endmacro   3         'mode'_routine_count='mode'_routine_count+1   1         .call_entry     home_args=false,        - 1                         quad_args=true,         - "                         label=name  #         .save_psect     local_block   #         .psect          'mode'_list            .address        name  $         .psect          'mode'_flags           .long           flags            .restore_psect           .if not_equal narg            cmpb    (ap),#narg           bgeq    endmacro            movzwl  #ss$_insfarg,r0          ret  	 endmacro:   
         .endc 
         .endm   4         .title  big_buffs Big Buffer System Services         .ident  "V2.0" ;++  ; Constants  ;-- &         .library "sys$library:lib.mlb"           $plvdef          $prvdef          $psldef          $dscdef          $syidef          $lnmdef          $ssdef   enable                  = 1  disable                 = 0  max_node_len            = 6    kernel_routine_count    = 0  exec_routine_count      = 0   C         .psect  exec_list,pic,con,rel,lcl,noshr,noexe,rd,nowrt,long  exec_table:   E         .psect  kernel_list,pic,con,rel,lcl,noshr,noexe,rd,nowrt,long 
 kernel_table:   D         .psect  exec_flags,pic,con,rel,lcl,noshr,noexe,rd,nowrt,long exec_flags:   F         .psect  kernel_flags,pic,con,rel,lcl,noshr,noexe,rd,nowrt,long
 kernel_flags:    ;++  ; Working-Storage Section  ;-- 
         .page C         .psect  _maher$data,pic,con,rel,lcl,noshr,noexe,rd,wrt,quad     ;++ ; Procedure Division ;-- >         .psect  _maher$code,pic,con,rel,lcl,shr,exe,nowrt,quad           .sbttl   Send Buffer8         define_service t3$go_large,3,<plv$m_64_bit_args>           ret   I exec_rundown:   .jsb_entry                      ; Entry point for rundown 9                                                 ; handler           rsb  
         .PAGE )         .SBTTL  Privileged Library Vector   6         .psect  dickie$services,page,vec,pic,nowrt,exe  G         .long    plv$c_typ_cmod          ; Set type of vector to change :                                          ; mode dispatcher3         .long    0                       ; Reserved G         .long    kernel_routine_count    ; # of Kernel    mode routines G         .long    exec_routine_count      ; # of Executive mode routines >         .address kernel_table            ; Kernel routine list<         .address exec_table              ; Exec routine listA         .long    0                       ; Kernel rundown handler A         .address exec_rundown            ; Exec   rundown handler 9         .long    0                       ; RMS Dispatcher ?         .long    0                       ; Kernel routine flags ?         .address exec_flags              ; Exec   routine flags            .end   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 11:51:50 -0600 1 From: Daniel & Hezra Moore <moore@redriverok.com>  Subject: Purveyor for OpenVMS ( Message-ID: <3E1870B6.5BCCB069@sosu.edu>  & --------------A550703FB0BB0C9A82057C2F* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   
 Greetings!  H   We have upgraded our VMS to 7.3-1. Some of our user accounts that wereE previously working via the web are not able to authenticate using the ; sample_auth.dll provided with purveyor 2.1. They can log in H interactively fine and a show proc/rights verifies that they are getting the correct identifiers.  G   I have found one other person on the planet with the same issue using G VMS 7.2-1. Users at that site are able to simply put a space at the end E of their username and it works. Users at that site with problems have % exactly 8 characters in the username.   E   Here is a link to the sample DLL provided by process web server. At F least we have the source code to the DLL, and hopefully we can fix the problem there.  1 http://vms.process.com/~help/helpapirtl.html#fig7      Any hints?   Thanks,    Dan   & --------------A550703FB0BB0C9A82057C2F) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>
 Greetings!F <p>&nbsp; We have upgraded our VMS to 7.3-1. Some of our user accountsK that were previously working via the web are not able to authenticate using M the sample_auth.dll provided with purveyor 2.1. They can log in interactively F fine and a show proc/rights verifies that they are getting the correct identifiers.I <p>&nbsp; I have found one other person on the planet with the same issue I using VMS 7.2-1. Users at that site are able to simply put a space at the I end of their username and it works. Users at that site with problems have , <b>exactly 8 characters</b> in the username.J <p>&nbsp; Here is a link to the sample DLL provided by process web server.I At least we have the source code to the DLL, and hopefully we can fix the  problem there.t <p><A HREF="http://vms.process.com/~help/helpapirtl.html#fig7">http://vms.process.com/~help/helpapirtl.html#fig7</A> <p>&nbsp; Any hints?
 <p>Thanks,
 <p>Dan</html>   ( --------------A550703FB0BB0C9A82057C2F--      K -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- G    http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! M -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =-----    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2003 07:55:34 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) I Subject: Re: VERY ON-TOPIC:  quoted-printable shit and Mickey$chlock mail 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-5RUxs8YvUdxe@localhost>   * On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 17:02:49 UTC, JF Mezei ( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:   > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: : > > Correct, MIME is an interactive tool and quite hard to= > > use in Batch. MPACK/MUNPACK works just fine in batch with  > > command line parameters. > O > I've been able to use MIME from inside ALL-IN-1. A1 generates a file with the M > RFC822 headers, then invokes MIME in a subprocess whose input is a mailbox, P > and feeds it the commands that are needed to extract the desired attachements. > G > But i agree that MIME is not of the quality one would expect from VMS : > engineers. Why must it clear the screen when it starts ?  ? Cos that's a real coool thing to do (NOT). A pet peeve of mine.   C It's almost as bad as the programs that clear the screen when they  F _complete_ and eradicate any trace of useful information they may haveB given you - including error messages.... OK, so its not so bad if D you're on a DecTerm but if its a real VT you'd better be quick with $ the Help key. Oops wrong thread :-).   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 03 15:36:02 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) I Subject: Re: VERY ON-TOPIC:  quoted-printable shit and Mickey$chlock mail ) Message-ID: <h+EDgsTWfRYP@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <kI7VNRdTBCrZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:    <snip>  @ >>> HP has lots of VMS systems that can send mail to the outside
 >>> world. >>  M >> And I'm sure they have lots that don't, including perhaps some machines in " >> engineering that generate PAKs. > I > I think the point is that these are not VMS systems that were purchased J > by HP years ago.  The process of generating DSPP PAKs is the same as theJ > process of generating CSA PAKs, which always used to come in plain text.  G The last set of PAKS I received via email (from a third party supplier, L not hp) came as attachments - .PDF for a formatted printout for the records,J and a .COM to register the license. The latter eliminated the usual finger trouble entering the details.    --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 03 16:07:05 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) I Subject: Re: VERY ON-TOPIC:  quoted-printable shit and Mickey$chlock mail ) Message-ID: <CtPJHXDDuy+Q@elias.decus.ch>   U In article <00A1975C.0B60407C@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: W > In article <nr4kn+NJ9jtN@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:  >>   <snip>  = >>Would the MUNPACK utility on the VMS Freeware V4 CD 1 help? ' >>(It's in directory <LEDERMAN.MPACK> )  >>? >>Caveat - I haven't tried it myself, although I've seen others 6 >>here recommend it in preference to the MIME utility. > I > My point is why should I have to go through all sorts of anal gyrations I > to read plain text that should and could easily be transmitted in plain I > text?  Just because the shithead in Redmond wants to force everybody to - > his shit is no reason for me to oblige him.  >   > I'm afraid you are preaching to the choir here. I'm one of theE unfortunates who have to use the thing at work. Fortunately our email ? guys have forced transmission in plain text and greyed made the 3 selection box to disable that setting inaccessible.   < My main grouse as an end user is that is unbelievably labour< intensive in contrast to various other products I have used.   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2003 07:55:37 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) . Subject: RE: VMS in Vegas (Was [OT] Lotteries)5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-IrUkBIO2O5Yx@localhost>   C On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 21:31:33 UTC, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>   wrote:   > David, > _ > <<< ...and yet, no one can cite a new VMS installation, while claims of VMs growth abound.>>>  > = > Fyi- just to satisfy your request, Toronto Stock Exchange:  I > http://www.tse.com/en/mediaNews/newsreleases/news2265.html (April 2002)  > M> "APRIL 8, 2002 (TORONTO) -- The Toronto Stock Exchange Inc. (TSE) announced today that more than $120 million in orders were entered into the POSIT Canada trading facility on the first official day of trading on Friday, April 5th. Actual trading results are not disclosed because of the anonymous feature of the trading facility." > Maybe the subject should be 'VMS in the Gambling Industry' :-)   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:47:40 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> . Subject: RE: VMS in Vegas (Was [OT] Lotteries)T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660C7D@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   David,  1 >>> Not so obvious, really. Can you elucidate?<<<   , As soon as I look up what elucidate means ..   :-)   
 Reference:J http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&oe=3Dutf-8&frame=	 =3Dright& J th=3Dd40a9f37d7a2f9c3&seekm=3DBCcyvhSudMC%2B%40eisner.encompasserve.org#l= ink  1    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)        -----Original Message-----9 From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]=20  Sent: January 4, 2003 10:42 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . Subject: Re: VMS in Vegas (Was [OT] Lotteries)     "Main, Kerry" wrote: >=20 > David, >=20I > <<< ...and yet, no one can cite a new VMS installation, while claims=20  > of VMs growth abound.>>> >=20? > Fyi- just to satisfy your request, Toronto Stock Exchange:=20 F > http://www.tse.com/en/mediaNews/newsreleases/news2265.html (April=20 > 2002)  >=20F > "APRIL 8, 2002 (TORONTO) -- The Toronto Stock Exchange Inc. (TSE)=20G > announced today that more than $120 million in orders were entered=20 H > into the POSIT Canada trading facility on the first official day of=20B > trading on Friday, April 5th.  Actual trading results are not=20F > disclosed because of the anonymous feature of the trading facility." >=20 > :-)  >=20H > We also get win reports internally where Ambassadors are involved, but  2 > for obvious reasons, those are HP internal only.  * Not so obvious, really. Can you elucidate?   --=20  David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  H Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2003 10:10:17 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman). Subject: Re: VMS in Vegas (Was [OT] Lotteries)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301051010.43944eaf@posting.google.com>   g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E174FD9.6AA982F4@vl.videotron.ca>...  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:{ > > We also get win reports internally where Ambassadors are involved, but for obvious reasons, those are HP internal only.  > P > That is the problem. "HP internal".  HP really needs to convince VMS customersL > to participate in VMS marketing by allowing their names to be mentioned in > press releases.  > O > If HP has no problem flounting Tandem at very strategic sites such as NASDAQ, N > then it shoudl also have no problems flounting VMS at other strategic sites.   Good point!   M > It should be easy to convince new customers of the value of mantioning this N > new win since giving VMS the image of positive movement is key to attractingQ > more applications, developpers etc which in the end will benefit that customer.  > ) > Where there is a will, there is a way.   > ; > It would go a long way towards dispelling the rumours of: 
 > 	-VMS dying ' > 	-HP not intyerested in marketing VMS  > N > if HP were to coax its VMS customers to agree to flaunt those installations.  
 Well put.   
     --- o ---   E Yikes! Would VMS customers be embarrassed if they admit that they use D VMS? I don't see any other reason if companies freely admit they use" other operating systems! Except...  E It still *could* be an illusion caused by statistics. What percentage > of companies freely let us know what OS's they are using? WhatB percentage of non-VMS customers? What percentage of VMS customers?D Since most places are non-VMS, assuming that the percentages are theF same we would still hear more about non-VMS sites since there are more( of them. Well, this could be part of it.   Does anyone know?   B If they *are* embarrassed, this needs to be fixed tout de suite!!!   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman   C Stay tuned! We'll be right back with more commercials. But first, a  few minutes of the program.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 10:11:16 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>= Subject: Re: wallpaper for the "normal" DECWindows interface? & Message-ID: <3E17F6B4.6080407@Free.fr>   Paul Repacholi a crit: P > winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: >  > _ >>In article <3E160852.7000604@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:  >>K >>>I found in the FAQ the way to set up a wallpaper for the CPQWindows CDE.  >> > D >>>But, as I'm 52, and following the same motivation which preventedF >>>me to move from EDT to TPU/EVE/XYZ/whatever, I never "moved" to the7 >>>CDE (is it because the DIGITAL logo was missing? :-)  >> > C >>>So, the question is: is it possible to have a wallpaper with the  >>>Genuine DEC DECWindows? >> >    > C >>Yes.  You can get XV to display an arbitrary graphic to your root 	 >>window.  >  >    > D >>(Finding your root window can be a challenge, but ISTR a procedure= >>being posted here years ago - try googling on XV and root.)  >  > ' > It is in the VMS FAQ, thank you Hoff.   5 Yes, it is. In chapter 11.8, and it is about the CDE.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:09:30 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>' Subject: Re: XV picture editor thoughts & Message-ID: <3E184AAA.2080705@Free.fr>  = Found here: ftp://ftp.trilon.com/pub/xv/xvman310a-html.tar.gz    Didier Morandi a crit: G > I successfully installed John Bradley's XV picture editor, available  . > from the FREEWARE CD 4 in directory [XV310A] > I > All features worked fine so far, except the SAVE function. The default  G > directory name in the SAVE window has a "/" appended which obviously  K > causes a DCL syntax error when trying to register a picture with another  < > name. I found no way to edit the default directory string. > G > Also, I did not find the way to tell the SAVE window to put the file  * > elsewhere than in the default directory. > @ > Apart the HELP file, is there some documentation on this tool?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 17:12:31 +0100o4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>' Subject: Re: XV picture editor thoughtst" Message-ID: <3E18596F.808@Free.fr>   Didier Morandi a crit:sG > I successfully installed John Bradley's XV picture editor, available m. > from the FREEWARE CD 4 in directory [XV310A] > I > All features worked fine so far, except the SAVE function. The default EG > directory name in the SAVE window has a "/" appended which obviously  K > causes a DCL syntax error when trying to register a picture with another c< > name. I found no way to edit the default directory string. > G > Also, I did not find the way to tell the SAVE window to put the file  * > elsewhere than in the default directory.    Q I checked the source. The relevant module is XV.C. Looks like there is a #IFNDEF o? VMS which does not execute line 1913, but as I do not know C...a   Any help appreciated.e   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2003 14:31:31 GMT-( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)5 Message-ID: <av9fk3$dd0bt$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>d  ) In article <wGh3OhUIMhMX@elias.decus.ch>,0, 	p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: >  >> tD > I know a lot of people play it for that faint chance that it lifts@ > them out of a life of poverty. It is IMNSHO a tax on the poor.  . I had always heard it was a tax on the stupid.   bill   -- rJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 03 15:53:49 +0100h) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)n4 Subject: Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)) Message-ID: <HyQXDtsudf3m@elias.decus.ch>y  b In article <3E16EE54.6040504@vajhoej.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: > Paul Sture wrote: G >> When the UK lottery was started (1994 IIRC), the odds were somethingtJ >> like 14 million to one. A radio programme at the time reckoned you were4 >> stood substantially better chances with roulette. >  > And ?  >   + Simply an observation of the relative odds.w  @ > The probablity of winning the first division in lotto games is6 > only determined by the game matrix (x of y numbers). >  > The math is simple: ( >    lower probablity => bigger winnings) >    higer probablity => smaller winnings- > 8 > And this is an area where the lottery/government wants9 > to  choose the game matrix exactly as the players want,:5 > because then sale becomes bigger and they make moreb > money. > 7 > The game matrix is often a heated topic. But it is my 2 > impression that the trend today is towards lower# > probablities and bigger winnings.w >   7 Indeed it can be. One feature of the Branson bid was tot> alter the matrix to produce 7 millionaires per week instead of8 one person with 7 million. I honestly don't know whether- that would have increased or decreased sales.o   -- x
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