0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 06 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 12      Contents: 7.3-1 and Delta  Re: 7.3-1 and Delta P Re: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IEkganVzdCB3YW50ZWQgdG8gc2hhcmUgYSBub3RlIEkgc2Vu?=	=?UTF-8?B?CP Re: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IEkganVzdCB3YW50ZWQgdG8gc2hhcmUgYSBub3RlIEkgc2Vu?=	=?UTF-8?B?d Attributions* Re: C RTL Patch Kit Dependent on SYS Patch# Callable mail oddity (999 char max) ' Re: Callable mail oddity (999 char max)  Re: DEC Graphics Tablet  Re: DEC Graphics Tablet 4 Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems)8 Re: deporter the boot message from the console in a file' Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement  Re: FTP 2 HP: VMS is a mature product, was: Re: VMS in VegasB Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morningB Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning It's all K.O.'s fault  Re: Java Kit link broken? 2 Re: Managing increasing number of foreign commands# Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer... # Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer... # Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer... # Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer... # Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer... # Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer... # Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer... 	 Re: rrd40  Re: Spiralog anyone? Telnet problem Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth  Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth  Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth  RE: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth % Re: VMS in Vegas (Was [OT] Lotteries) 0 Re: VMS731_ACRTL-V0100 Release notes [complaint]4 Re: wallpaper for the "normal" DECWindows interface?+ Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year) + RE: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year) + Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year) + Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2003 11:01:59 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: 7.3-1 and Delta3 Message-ID: <rh7qKuuUlg$2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   9 	Using Brian's faq method to clear errors, I first wanted 8 	to make sure it worked here and there.  Here is a 7.1-2" 	machine looking at a system disk:     OpenVMS V7.1-2   SDA> evaluate ucb+ucb$l_errcntA Hex = FFFFFFFF.80DC2688   Decimal = -2133055864         UCB+000C8  SDA> spawn run sys$share:delta OpenVMS Alpha DELTA Debugger  
 Exit 00000001   1 80054FE0!       LDQ             R28,#X0008(SP) [L    1;M 	 00000001   00010001:80DC2688/00000000     EXIT	 SDA> EXIT    	Okay.  So now try it on 7.3-1:      OpenVMS V7.3-1   SDA> evaluate ucb+ucb$l_errcntA Hex = FFFFFFFF.812ECF08   Decimal = -2127638776         UCB+000C8  SDA> spawn run sys$share:delta OpenVMS Alpha DELTA Debugger  
 Exit 00000001   1 8007E5D4!       LDQ             R28,#X0008(SP) [L    1;M 	 00000001   00010001:812ECF08/ Eh?  EXIT  @ 	I tried time and again, certain I am not making typos.  Haven't< 	tried it on 7.2-1.  Anyone care to give it a go at 7.2-1?    A 	Question is... what is the issue with 7.3-1 and Delta?  As Brian B 	points out "Eh?" is not the answer you want to see at this point.   	Thanks.   				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 17:19:26 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: 7.3-1 and Delta0 Message-ID: <00A19906.55ACDA5C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <rh7qKuuUlg$2@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:  > : >	Using Brian's faq method to clear errors, I first wanted9 >	to make sure it worked here and there.  Here is a 7.1-2 # >	machine looking at a system disk:  >  >  >OpenVMS V7.1-2  >  >SDA> evaluate ucb+ucb$l_errcnt B >Hex = FFFFFFFF.80DC2688   Decimal = -2133055864         UCB+000C8 >SDA> spawn run sys$share:delta  >OpenVMS Alpha DELTA Debugger  >  >Exit 00000001 > 2 >80054FE0!       LDQ             R28,#X0008(SP) [L >  >1;M
 >00000001  >00010001:80DC2688/00000000  >  >EXIT 
 >SDA> EXIT >   >	Okay.  So now try it on 7.3-1: >  >  >OpenVMS V7.3-1  >  >SDA> evaluate ucb+ucb$l_errcnt B >Hex = FFFFFFFF.812ECF08   Decimal = -2127638776         UCB+000C8 >SDA> spawn run sys$share:delta  >OpenVMS Alpha DELTA Debugger  >  >Exit 00000001 > 2 >8007E5D4!       LDQ             R28,#X0008(SP) [L >  >1;M
 >00000001  >00010001:812ECF08/  >Eh? >EXIT  > A >	I tried time and again, certain I am not making typos.  Haven't = >	tried it on 7.2-1.  Anyone care to give it a go at 7.2-1?    > B >	Question is... what is the issue with 7.3-1 and Delta?  As BrianC >	points out "Eh?" is not the answer you want to see at this point.  > 	 >	Thanks.  >  >				Rob >   H Looks like 64bits has finally come home to roost in DELTA.  If you enter 00010001:FFFFFFFF812ECF08/     I'm sure you'll be pleased.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2003 07:55:09 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Y Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IEkganVzdCB3YW50ZWQgdG8gc2hhcmUgYSBub3RlIEkgc2Vu?=	=?UTF-8?B?C 3 Message-ID: <Kn6mqoEjNt12@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D50BCEF6@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>, "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> writes: H > I think I see why you were going down the Nazi track on this - I wasntJ > talking about a world language - I was speaking of a national language -0 > that was what the original poster mentioned.    E    You feel a need to insult every American born and raised on Puerto     Rico?  I don't.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2003 07:54:08 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Y Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IEkganVzdCB3YW50ZWQgdG8gc2hhcmUgYSBub3RlIEkgc2Vu?=	=?UTF-8?B?d 3 Message-ID: <nqoMq2yU8i+N@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D50BCEF5@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>, "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> writes: M > way to take an argument to the extreem.  I never said look and sound alike, 3 > but for practical reasons 1 language makes sense.   B   Practical considerations do not require laws.  Extreemism always   starts in small steps.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 23:09:52 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>  Subject: Attributions ( Message-ID: <3E192BC0.8040206@rdrop.com>  
 ualski wrote:  >  > Paul Sture wrote:  > R >>In article <3E14AC1F.7050204@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:C >>Indeed. Richard Branson tried bidding for the UK contract when it   G I did not say that- no matter what fast and loose editing made it look  G to the casual reader.  (I believe the correct attribution was Paul- my  G name should have been left out of that snippet altogether.)  Nor did I  	 say this:     >Dean Woodward wrote:  >> ?  >> 1)  Most lotteries pay out approx. half the sale as prizes.   F Please pay attention to your attributions.  I've typically got enough = problems sticking my own feet in my mouth- I don't need help.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:04:59 -0500 : From: Charlie McCutcheon <charlie.mccutcheonNO@SPAMhp.com>3 Subject: Re: C RTL Patch Kit Dependent on SYS Patch * Message-ID: <3E198D0B.96FC92FC@SPAMhp.com>  G > > Howver, it states you must install SYS V0200 Patch kit prior to the G > > installation of this kit.  However, SYS V0200 Patch has a note that ? > > there is a problem with it and should not be installed on a  > > uniprocessor system. > J > The requirement for that kit is that the CRTL needs a patch for multipleC > openings of shared images.   This is required for the CRTL to set F > DECC$CRTLMAP system logical to the running DECC$SHR.EXE image to setH > versioning (__CRTL_VER macro).  I believe this is only an issue if youJ > run the C compiler, not if you need the CRTL for Java (and don't plan to > compile any C programs).  K VMS engineering tells me a newer SYS kit will be coming out soon.  I wasn't 
 given a date.   9 If you need it sooner, please contact the support center.    Sorry for the inconvenience.   Charlie    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 03:12:59 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>, Subject: Callable mail oddity (999 char max)/ Message-ID: <3E192C79.BD88DCE6@vl.videotron.ca>    VAX VMS 7.2   K Had a program run for some time without problem. (Transfers mail from a pop  mailbox to VMS mailbox).  G Then, I got one of those nigerian scam letters that had microsoft style N paragraphs (1 line per paragraph) but no quoted printable encoding, where someC paragraphs exceeded 1000 characters. My ISP truncated those to 1000 S characters, (and added a comment to that effect in the RFC headers of that message.   J On NODE VELO, the application went bezerk. So I changed the application to9 have the callable mail put back all the LIB$SIGNAL stuff.   2 Here is what I got: (this is running on node VELO)  6 %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user JFMEZEI at BIKE@ -MAIL-E-READERR, error reading GATEWAY:[LOG]2003010602082632.TMP7 -RMS-W-RTB, 999 byte record too large for user's buffer / %TRACE-E-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows   S This is followed by a long repetition of about 3000 of: (dump at bottom of message)   D Now, the worse part is that if I run this on node BIKE, whose SYSUAFN definition of the account running the software is the same, it runs fine ! The0 application itself has buffers up to 2000 bytes.  M I realise that there is a patch available for 7.2 that deals with some memory N exhaustion for callablae mail. But if the problem occurs even when the processJ is freshly created, could that really be a problem related to the patch ?   I (I want to understand the behaviour/problem which is reproducible on VELO T right now, and I fear it would go away if I reboot everything with a patch applied).    F Here is the dump that gets printed about 3000 times before the processI terminates. Note that neither of the MAIL$SEND_MESSAGE success or failure  routines get called.   Any suggestions ?     6 %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user JFMEZEI at BIKEP -SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000004, PC =000250D3, PSL=03C00000 / %TRACE-E-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows L module name     routine name                     line       rel PC    abs PC  M                                                            000250D3  000250D3 M                                                            0002574C  0002574C = ----- above condition handler called with exception 0000000C: P %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000004, PC =000255B8, PSL=0BC00004  ----- end of exception messageM                                                            000255B8  000255B8 M                                                            0001D978  0001D978 M                                                            0001DAA1  0001DAA1 M POPDOMSG        build_send_message              14413      00000480  00006B30 M POPDOMSG        pop_do_msg                      13886      00000466  00005EBA M POPTOMAIL       main                            13092      000002D8  00004FD8    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 03 06:16:22 EST  From: grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu0 Subject: Re: Callable mail oddity (999 char max)- Message-ID: <TSR8nEc2fx8u@rigel.cc.wmich.edu>   G You might check to see whether the PQL_MWS* and PQL_DWS* parameters are G the same on both node/systems.  Since they can override the UAF quotas, 2 this might account for the difference in behavior.  b In article <3E192C79.BD88DCE6@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:
 > VAX VMS 7.2  > M > Had a program run for some time without problem. (Transfers mail from a pop  > mailbox to VMS mailbox). > I > Then, I got one of those nigerian scam letters that had microsoft style P > paragraphs (1 line per paragraph) but no quoted printable encoding, where someE > paragraphs exceeded 1000 characters. My ISP truncated those to 1000 U > characters, (and added a comment to that effect in the RFC headers of that message.  > L > On NODE VELO, the application went bezerk. So I changed the application to; > have the callable mail put back all the LIB$SIGNAL stuff.  > 4 > Here is what I got: (this is running on node VELO) > 8 > %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user JFMEZEI at BIKEB > -MAIL-E-READERR, error reading GATEWAY:[LOG]2003010602082632.TMP9 > -RMS-W-RTB, 999 byte record too large for user's buffer 1 > %TRACE-E-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows  > U > This is followed by a long repetition of about 3000 of: (dump at bottom of message)  > F > Now, the worse part is that if I run this on node BIKE, whose SYSUAFP > definition of the account running the software is the same, it runs fine ! The2 > application itself has buffers up to 2000 bytes. > O > I realise that there is a patch available for 7.2 that deals with some memory P > exhaustion for callablae mail. But if the problem occurs even when the processL > is freshly created, could that really be a problem related to the patch ?  > K > (I want to understand the behaviour/problem which is reproducible on VELO V > right now, and I fear it would go away if I reboot everything with a patch applied). >  > H > Here is the dump that gets printed about 3000 times before the processK > terminates. Note that neither of the MAIL$SEND_MESSAGE success or failure  > routines get called. >  > Any suggestions ?  >  > 8 > %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user JFMEZEI at BIKER > -SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000004, PC > =000250D3, PSL=03C00000 1 > %TRACE-E-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows N > module name     routine name                     line       rel PC    abs PC > O >                                                            000250D3  000250D3 O >                                                            0002574C  0002574C ? > ----- above condition handler called with exception 0000000C: R > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000004, PC > =000255B8, PSL=0BC00004   > ----- end of exception messageO >                                                            000255B8  000255B8 O >                                                            0001D978  0001D978 O >                                                            0001DAA1  0001DAA1 O > POPDOMSG        build_send_message              14413      00000480  00006B30 O > POPDOMSG        pop_do_msg                      13886      00000466  00005EBA O > POPTOMAIL       main                            13092      000002D8  00004FD8    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:12:59 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>   Subject: Re: DEC Graphics Tablet$ Message-ID: <3e19aadb$1@news.si.com>  ' >Here's a rare bird for the DEC museum:  > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2084140838  5 Good luck with the tablet, Alan!  Say "hi" to Sharon.  --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:41:54 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: DEC Graphics Tablet0 Message-ID: <00A19901.1781C763@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <3e19aadb$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:( >>Here's a rare bird for the DEC museum: >>? >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2084140838  > 6 >Good luck with the tablet, Alan!  Say "hi" to Sharon.   FYI,  M That item was inaccessible at ebay during the last hour or so of the auction.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2003 08:06:24 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: Demise of VMS (and most other operating systems) 3 Message-ID: <YXW4HzMJEhOc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3E163174.D173BC93@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Bob Koehler wrote:	 >> [snip] F >>    In fact, if it did change I think existing tools like Multinet'sH >>    recordsize command would allow one to revert to the old behaviour. > H > Can you expound a bit? I've been using Multinet for some years now and9 > this is the first I've heard of a "recordsize command".      $ftp node    Username: xyz    Password:    node> help record-size    RECORD-SIZE   @      Sets or displays the record size for IMAGE mode transferes.        Format           RECORD-SIZE [size]       #   Additional information available:      Parameters Example   RECORD-SIZE Subtopic?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:54:24 +01005 From: "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> A Subject: Re: deporter the boot message from the console in a file & Message-ID: <3e199869$1@news.euriware>  F "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> a crit dans le message de news:) 3e142aaf$0$136$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...  > Peter Flunger wrote:< > > "serge.zangheri" <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com> wrote > >  > >>Hi, J > >>I would like to get the boot messages from the console in a file or at( > >>least in a decterm of an another VS. > > B > > Without using a console Manager like for example Robo Central,# > > you can set startup_p2 to "VDC" E > > This will log everything to sys$system:startup.log when you boot. 	 > > Peter  > >  > H > True, but the "V" in "VDC" will enable DCL verification in STARTUP andH > will give you far more output than you will ever want. I recommend "D"7 > for normal use or "DC" if you want a little bit more.  >  > Bart Zorn  >  >   J Don't known when it starts on Alpha (7.xx) but "mc sysman help startup set5 options" explains the meaning of the startup_p2 flags    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2003 06:27:24 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)0 Subject: Re: F$GETDVI ("AVL") in an IF statement= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301060627.62b6504c@posting.google.com>   g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E18EC1D.43C3784B@vl.videotron.ca>...  [...] & > So, let me reformulate the question: > F > During a system boot in a cluster, assuming no drive is manually SETL > VOL/NOAVAIL, does testing just for EXISTS ensure that a MOUNT will succeedP > (even if it causes mount verif or if drive is already in mount verification on > another node) ?   E I haven't worked with clusters since two jobs ago. Therefore I am not ) qualified to answer your question. Sorry.    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:48:19 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>  Subject: Re: FTP$ Message-ID: <3e19c133$1@news.si.com>  K >the command procedure (@SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG) was used to configure IP I >in the first place. First the core options, next the server options (the + >client components get configured as well). D >After that, the TCPIP services were started (option 6). In fact theL >procedure was identical to what I've been doing on VAX/VMS systems. But for( >some strange reason FTP does not start.H >Is there a security issue on AXP/VMS that does not exist on VAX/VMS, or uses >a different default value?   L The best thing to do is to leave FTP disabled and download and install HGFTPH from Hunter Goatley's FTP site at Process Software.  It just plain works/ better than the Compaq/HP TCP/IP Services' FTP.  --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2003 07:14:16 -0600 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley); Subject: HP: VMS is a mature product, was: Re: VMS in Vegas 3 Message-ID: <6QlwVsr$H6a+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3E18E4E1.21B59F38@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > ; > Others don't want to get laughed right out of the country E > club ("You dumped how much on THAT antiquated, legacy stuff? Are ya 
 > nuts??!!").  >   9 Well, HP does consider VMS to be a "mature product". See:   . http://www.hp.com/large/faq/alpha/page4.html#1  4        ---------------------------------------------J Q: Why does HP think it can continue to sell and maintain a mature product
 like OpenVMS? J A: The current base of 411,000 systems worldwide is testament to the valueJ that customers have placed on the robust, "bullet-proof" capabilities thatG OpenVMS provides. In addition, OpenVMS generates a large and profitable G revenue stream for the company, and is actually generating new customer 0 projects in targeted industries like Healthcare.4        ---------------------------------------------  L The whole of that page leaves the impression that HP is only concerned aboutI maintaining VMS for the current user base, and not about growing the user C base, which ties in with the use of the mature product tag for VMS.   J "is actually generating new customer projects" indeed. [My goodness! We've= actually sold VMS to a new customer! Amazing! - HP Marketing]    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       & "This is VMS. Viruses are irrelevant."   ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:38:17 GMT- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) K Subject: Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning & Message-ID: <H8AG7t.KyM@world.std.com>  ' In article <3E150F3C.6D8FD7EE@fsi.net>, 0 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  H > Those who value political correctness should move on to the next post. > Fair warning.  > D > Remember when lawn-mowers, blenders, even extension cords were notI > plastered with so many safety placards you can barely find (or use) the 
 > product? > 4 > Remember when sex was dirty and the air was clean? > " > Remember when morality was cool? > G > Remember when marriage was about the procreation of a family, and not J > about two people making a hobby out of playing with each other's gonads? > G > Remember when people took responsibility for their actions instead of J > "choosing" to erase their mistakes at the expense of a defenseless life? > 6 > Remember when being outrageous was truly an outrage? > 7 > Remember when expressways really were "express" ways?  > J > Remember when you could wander the airport for hours, just for something > to do? > I > Remember when people actually had the back-bone to fight terrorists and I > not let them take control of an airliner and turn it into an incendiary / > missile? One group of folks did not forget...  > 2 > Remember when English was our national language? > , > Remember when music actually had a melody? > # > Remember when civility had value?  > I > Remember when neighbors really were neighbors, not just the people next  > door?  > E > Remember when Americans stood for something rather than falling for . > anything they saw advertised by a celebrity? >  > Remember when...   > ? > ...that Dachtera asshole wasn't here to post stuff like this?     5 Overheard last weekend at "Old Man Dachtera's" place:   D   HEY, YOU GODDAMNED MEXICAN COMMUNIST TERRORIST KIDS!  QUIT HAVING G   HAVING DIRTY SEX ON MY LAWN WITH THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR WHILE DRINKING  C   YOUR CAFFEINATED ROOTBEER OUT OF STYROFOAM CUPS AND LISTENING TO  @   THAT IRRESPONSIBLE RAP MUSIC ON YOUR JAPANESE GHETTO BLASTERS!+   AND QUIT CALLIN' ME "MR. TERADACTYL"!!!1!    -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ ----->       IBM 1130 Club Motto:  "Computer People Are Happy People"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:07:00 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> K Subject: Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning $ Message-ID: <3e19c594$1@news.si.com>  1 >Remember when English was our national language?   J It's difficult to remember something that was never there.  At no time has? English ever been the "national language" of the United States.  --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2003 08:15:40 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: It's all K.O.'s fault3 Message-ID: <UnhOlIFu17UV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   %    Found in Sunday's Washington Post.   G    It seems the first known example of SPAM was an unsolicited email in E    the laste 70's from Digital Equipment Corporation to all users of  ,    ARPANET announcing a new computer system.  C    I'll never be able to look at my beloved VAXen in the same light 	    again.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 10:08:47 -0500 : From: Charlie McCutcheon <charlie.mccutcheonNO@SPAMhp.com>" Subject: Re: Java Kit link broken?* Message-ID: <3E199BFF.116A1C08@SPAMhp.com>   Hal Kuff wrote:   K >     In both netscape and IE I get an error when I try to register for the 
 > java kit on M > http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/download/jdk_ovms/1.3.1-5/sdk1.3.1_form.html 8 >     It will not allow an operating system selected.... > G >     Does anyone know where the kit is? Can I get around this link...?   N I forwarded to the Java engineering group, who's said they're contacting their
 webmaster.  ! I'd expect a reply or fix soon...    Charlie    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:17:45 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> ; Subject: Re: Managing increasing number of foreign commands $ Message-ID: <3e19abfa$1@news.si.com>  K >What is the best way to manage an increasing number of foreign commands on  VMS ?  > K >Is there a way to just add them with a .CLD to dcltable.exe  and have then 9 >still behavethe same with the same "unix" style syntax ?    Of course.  Like this:   DEFINE VERB foreign ,     IMAGE yourdir:foreign, CLIFLAGS(FOREIGN) --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 07:54:32 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>, Subject: Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer...& Message-ID: <3E192828.9000309@Free.fr>   JF Mezei a crit:    ../.. P > HP would be shooting itself in the foot and gonads if it really does intent toH > hide EV7 performance. Just at a time when HP was starting to look moreP > credible with its non-wintel products, this story kills all credibility and HPI > will have to start from scratch trying to convicne customers that it is   > serious about serious systems.  N Maybe you do not know that our (really) beloved DEC company did the same when Q the uVAX-I came. It was the glorious time of the 11-780. The first communication  J from HW Engineering about the uVAX chip has been "Hey! It's faster than a P 780!!!" (i.e. 1 MIPS). We did a wonderful show in the Eiffel Tower in Paris for  its announcement.   R What happened? Top level mgt said: " No! It will have a spec of 0,89 MIPS" (or so)  P I used to be the VMS Marketing specialist at DEC France at that time. I went to N my boss and said: "This is not honest. Why don't we communicate on these good M engineering news?". Boss answered: "You have still a lot to learn, boy. This  N result is bad marketing news for the 780 and we make more money selling 780s".  
 End of story.    D. --  4    -------------------------------------------------3 MORANDI Consultants - http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr 1    19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France. 3 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax : +33 (0)5 6154 1928 3 VMS/SAP learner. All VMS distribution kits welcome. 3 --------------------------------------------------- 3 Antipub: remove ".nospam" for direct email messages    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 04:04:30 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>, Subject: Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer...2 Message-ID: <jgCdndL_Ib8s24SjXTWcqg@metrocast.net>  A "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message   news:3E192828.9000309@Free.fr... > JF Mezei a crit:  >  > ../.. H > > HP would be shooting itself in the foot and gonads if it really does	 intent to J > > hide EV7 performance. Just at a time when HP was starting to look moreK > > credible with its non-wintel products, this story kills all credibility  and HPK > > will have to start from scratch trying to convicne customers that it is " > > serious about serious systems. > J > Maybe you do not know that our (really) beloved DEC company did the same when > the uVAX-I came.  F I suspect that you mean uVax II:  IIRC uVAX I was something of a slug.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 14:01:12 GMT & From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@attbi.com>, Subject: Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer...) Message-ID: <3E198C2B.337DA5D6@attbi.com>    Bill Todd wrote: > C > "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message " > news:3E192828.9000309@Free.fr... > > JF Mezei a crit:  > > 	 > > ../.. J > > > HP would be shooting itself in the foot and gonads if it really does > intent to L > > > hide EV7 performance. Just at a time when HP was starting to look moreM > > > credible with its non-wintel products, this story kills all credibility  > and HPM > > > will have to start from scratch trying to convicne customers that it is $ > > > serious about serious systems. > > L > > Maybe you do not know that our (really) beloved DEC company did the same > when > > the uVAX-I came. > H > I suspect that you mean uVax II:  IIRC uVAX I was something of a slug. >  > - bill  E Right - the uVAX-I was ~1/3 MIP.  I had one at home for years, before " I traded down from VMS to WinDuhs.  A The uVAX-II, the 8200, and the 780 were very close to a dead heat B if you ignored floating point:  all three ran 5 MHz clocks and allB three achieved about the same ticks per instruction.  If you addedA floating point to the benchmark mix, then the 8200 was still very @ close to the 780, but the uVAX-II fell off a bit: ~90% IIRC with< the benchmark mix then favored by the VAX architecture gang.  C Whether the uVAX-II was a tie or a near-tie with the performance of ? a 780, it was without doubt a huge winner in price/performance.  --   Cheers, Bob    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 14:12:35 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer...H Message-ID: <n9gS9.179757$yW.86178@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  A "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message   news:3E192828.9000309@Free.fr... > E > Maybe you do not know that our (really) beloved DEC company did the 	 same when D > the uVAX-I came. It was the glorious time of the 11-780. The first
 communication D > from HW Engineering about the uVAX chip has been "Hey! It's faster than aD > 780!!!" (i.e. 1 MIPS). We did a wonderful show in the Eiffel Tower in Paris for > its announcement.  > F > What happened? Top level mgt said: " No! It will have a spec of 0,89
 MIPS" (or so)  > A > I used to be the VMS Marketing specialist at DEC France at that  time. I went to D > my boss and said: "This is not honest. Why don't we communicate on
 these goodD > engineering news?". Boss answered: "You have still a lot to learn,	 boy. This A > result is bad marketing news for the 780 and we make more money  selling 780s".  ? That's why they sold uVMS on it initially instead of the 'full' C version of VMS. Many companies didn't know how easy or difficult it C would be to 'port' from VMS 3.x or 4.x on a 780 or 750 to uVMS on a F MVII, and DEC wan't about to help them do it, so many companies stayed locked into 750/780 systems.  > In the mid-80's when Sun started to show real price/perfomanceD advantages over DEC, it was the 750/780 crowd that was first to jumpB ship, in part due to the still prevalent doubt of the viability ofB moving apps to MVII and uVMS, and the feeling that they were being9 'screwed' by DEC - not all DEC customers were smart abouteD investigating the *exact* differences between VMS and uVMS. IIRC, it4 wasn't until VMS 4.7 that MVII were fully supported.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:17:35 +0100n6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>, Subject: Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer...) Message-ID: <3E199E0F.5010702@vajhoej.dk>w   John Smith wrote: @ > In the mid-80's when Sun started to show real price/perfomanceF > advantages over DEC, it was the 750/780 crowd that was first to jump > ship,l   SPARC is from 1989 !  ; Ofcourse there were Motorola based workstations before, buth; I think it was first with SPARC that price/performance wentv real bad for DEC.u   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:43:29 GMT.# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer...H Message-ID: <RmiS9.180572$yW.40570@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message# news:3E199E0F.5010702@vajhoej.dk...l > John Smith wrote:]B > > In the mid-80's when Sun started to show real price/perfomanceC > > advantages over DEC, it was the 750/780 crowd that was first toe jump	 > > ship,] >t > SPARC is from 1989 ! >e= > Ofcourse there were Motorola based workstations before, but-= > I think it was first with SPARC that price/performance went  > real bad for DEC.1  F Sun, in their first generation gear, which was available before SPARC,C was a price/performance leader if you overlooked the fact that unixi2 wasn't worth a pitcher of warm spit in those days.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 17:08:51 +0000i' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy , Subject: Re: Marvel talks at The Inquirer.... Message-ID: <3E19B823.2000904@nospamn.sun.com>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > John Smith wrote:M >=20A >> In the mid-80's when Sun started to show real price/perfomance G >> advantages over DEC, it was the 750/780 crowd that was first to jump  >> ship, >=20 >=20 > SPARC is from 1989 ! >=20  # SPARC started as a project in 1984.c  6 Sun/Fujitsu produced the first SPARC processor in 1986  : The first SPARC systems were the Sun 4/260 and 4/260 these5 were VME bus based rack mounted and deskside systems. 7 They started shipping in 1987. The Integer unit for the13 CPU was a 50K Fujitsu gate array and the system hadn a separate Weitek FPU.  3 They were followed by the 4/110 which was a desktopa VME bus based workstation.  7 89 was the introduction of the SPARCstation 1. This wasa3 a pizza box based desktop workstation.  This really 3 put the screws on price wise, it was also the first 6 SBus based system this being a major saving over using VME bus.    = > Ofcourse there were Motorola based workstations before, butl= > I think it was first with SPARC that price/performance wentc > real bad for DEC.e >=20  > Prior to the Sun 4 range the systems were based on 68010/68020 CPU's from Motorola    Regardsl Andrew Harrisons   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:35:24 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>  Subject: Re: rrd40$ Message-ID: <3e19b01d$1@news.si.com>  F >  If you want to go for a wholesale hardware upgrade, a new or a usedH >  Plextor PlexWriter 121032S SCSI CD-R drive has a reasonable chance ofJ >  working nicely in this configuration, and this or other CD-R drive willI >  have other useful capabiliites beyond reading CD media.   (I have used:I >  the Plextor PlexWriter 121032S successfully on a VAXstation 4000 modelFJ >  60 SCSI bus, though I have not tried it on the VAXstation 3100 series.)  A Would an Infoserver 100 or 150 be able to recognize one of these?  -- 0I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com05 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.a@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:21:45 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) Subject: Re: Spiralog anyone? 2 Message-ID: <ZOjS9.14$rB.1568971@news.cpqcorp.net>  i In article <fc2f4794.0212210629.33aec45f@posting.google.com>, marlinsmeadow@aol.com (David Moore) writes:1 >Hello All,t >EN >I would like to know if anyone still uses the Sprialog filesystem on OpenVMS?    Spiralog is no longer supported.= If my information is correct, it does NOT work on any currenta version of OpenVMS.B  A There are some cases in which a log based file system can providecH good performance.  However, for most cases, Spiralog achieved acceptableG performance only by the use of a LARGE buffer space.  And in most casesaH Files-11 provided the same or better performance with less buffer space.   --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:30:50 +0100" From: "hb1nos" <hb1nos@hb1nos.com> Subject: Telnet problem ; Message-ID: <3e19cb5f$0$30071$fb624cd1@news1.zeelandnet.nl>   A The first thing i have to do is to change my telnet port to 3604,IK Why ? I want to route the port from the internet to me VAX system so a free  telnet port is available,6?  i already use the telnet port 23 on me F6FBB packetBBS system.iD The basic config i want is Telnet on port 3604 and FTP on port 3605.   So i did the following in UCX :k  6 UCX> set noservice TELNET // delete the telnet serviceG UCX> set service TELNET /port=3604 /user_name=pipo /file=UCX$TELNET.COMm UCX> start service TELNETl  J The COM file created starts up the telnet server SYS$SYSTEM:UCX$TELNET.EXE  + Arggghhhh the TELNET wil not start again !!   J Its telling my it can't find the HOST file, I created a new one after this) error message but nothing seems to work !t  J Here i'm stuck, I have done millions of thinks to get TELNET running againK whitout any result, I have post the question in comp.os.vms but not jet geto# the correct answer for the problem.o   Plzzzz Help ....   --; Packetradioserver HB1NOS Ouwerkerk the Netherlands (JO11XP)a- Internet HTTP/FTP/TELNET tcp/ip 62.238.227.58 0 Packetradio HTTP/FTP/TELNET tcp/ip 27.137.143.50 E-mail : hb1nos@hb1nos.com   www.hb1nos.com www.vmsnetwork.com www.jnosnetwork.coma   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 06 Jan 03 09:33:36 GMTy From: jmfbahciv@aol.comi& Subject: Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth+ Message-ID: <avbkhj$fct$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   / In article <3E18BC02.1270F58F@vl.videotron.ca>,r4    JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: >Rupert Pigott wrote:t? >> Come to think of it did DEC ever do a liquid cooled machine,o$ >> including 1-offs and prototypes ? >aC >A DEC water cooler for DEC-office suite of products  ? (DEC-desk, H
 DEC-chair,B >DECarpet, DEClamp, DECwater-cooler, DECpaper, DECpen, DECeraser,  DECstapler,s+ >DECdrawer, DECfiling-cabinet and ALL-IN-1.   8 <GRIN>  There would have been a CUSP shipped called MOP.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.s   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2003 11:25:17 -0500r7 From: pechter@shell.monmouth.com (Bill/Carolyn Pechter)R& Subject: Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth- Message-ID: <avcald$ctq$1@shell.monmouth.com>   ' In article <3E16BDD2.20801@vajhoej.dk>,p8 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?=  <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote: >Zane H. Healy wrote:uJ >> The only 'notoriety' for hardware failures that I can think of would beO >> related to disk drives.  Consider how infamous the RD53 is, and I believe at-I >> least one model of the RA8x is noted for problem with the drive heads.< >> eO >> Now the VAXen themselves, even the ones that suffer from problematic drives,- >> are pretty much rock solid. >.5 >I am pretty sure you are thinking about the RA81's !  >h >Arneb    G The problem with the RA81's wasn't that the drives were really flaky -- G there were some early data and noise problems ECO's out under warranty iF early on -- but that the glue that held the HDA filter was substituted7 without a close look at the specifications of the glue.0  D The substituted glue on HDA's at Rev F (IIRC) would liquify at warm @ temperatures and flow to the bottom of the HDA and crash head 13# into the bottom platter every time.e  E You had about 3 days at the most from the ecc errors on head 13 until # you had a dead unrecoverable drive.I  G DEC lost a fortune on these and it was a factor in their decline in ther
 late 80's.     Bill   -- 2M +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+TM | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter    |        pechter@shell.monmouth.com        | M |   Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in  |fN |   a James Bond movie              -- Dennis Miller                        | M +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+0   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2003 11:33:33 -0500a7 From: pechter@shell.monmouth.com (Bill/Carolyn Pechter)i& Subject: Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth- Message-ID: <avcb4t$d97$1@shell.monmouth.com>p  ) In article <3E188A88.5000504@vajhoej.dk>,u8 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?=  <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote: >Chris Hedley wrote:? >>                      I think we've covered the water-vs-air-d@ >> cooling thing before and the conclusion was inconclusive.  :) >e >????s >e >9000 was air-cooled.t > 7 >That was why the aquarious was such a good code-name !t >l >Arne  >     D I believe the original DEC plan was for two machines -- aquarius andG another arridus or something -- one was an air-cooled box and the other0
 water cooled.5  E The story heard in Field Service was Ken Olsen said he didn't want touA have plumbers in Field Service.  They decided that the air-cooledbF version was enough.  I thought this was before the 9000 design, though around the 82/8300 days.   Bill --  M +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+aM | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter    |        pechter@shell.monmouth.com        |sM |   Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in  |fN |   a James Bond movie              -- Dennis Miller                        | M +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+0   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:36:37 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> & Subject: RE: vax6k.openecs.org rebirthT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660C88@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Bill,0   Re: water cooling ..  D As I recall (and I have no idea if true), it was not just simple tap0 water, but purified to certain specification.=20  C This had implications with respect to it being readily availabilityt around the globe as well.=20   Regards8  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanth Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660/ Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)o       -----Original Message-----A From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter [mailto:pechter@shell.monmouth.com]=20e Sent: January 6, 2003 11:34 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi& Subject: Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth    + In article <3E188A88.5000504@vajhoej.dk>, = $ =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=3DF8j?=3D <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote: >Chris Hedley wrote:J >>                      I think we've covered the water-vs-air- cooling=208 >> thing before and the conclusion was inconclusive.  :) >c >????a >a >9000 was air-cooled.e >c7 >That was why the aquarious was such a good code-name !O >h >Arnec >o    D I believe the original DEC plan was for two machines -- aquarius andG another arridus or something -- one was an air-cooled box and the othern
 water cooled.L  E The story heard in Field Service was Ken Olsen said he didn't want to-A have plumbers in Field Service.  They decided that the air-cooledWF version was enough.  I thought this was before the 9000 design, though around the 82/8300 days.   Bill --=20sH +----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----+ D | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter    |        pechter@shell.monmouth.com |FG |   Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villaini in  |e4 |   a James Bond movie              -- Dennis Miller |=20H +----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----+    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 13:27:35 +0000e( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>. Subject: Re: VMS in Vegas (Was [OT] Lotteries)) Message-ID: <3E198447.250DF2F2@127.0.0.1>h   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >   E > That's exactly what everyone argues canNOT be done: customers valueaG > their secrecy, for whatever reason. Some don't want their competitiveeG > edge exposed ("Wow! They invested in VMS and Alpha? We'll never catchEG > 'em now!"). Others don't want to get laughed right out of the country E > club ("You dumped how much on THAT antiquated, legacy stuff? Are yaE
 > nuts??!!").e  B There is a third. Attempted, failed system replacement caused hugeG embarrassment, and a back-pedal to reinstate the former working systemso while "hushing up" the fiasco.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 08:52:56 -0500 : From: Charlie McCutcheon <charlie.mccutcheonNO@SPAMhp.com>9 Subject: Re: VMS731_ACRTL-V0100 Release notes [complaint]V* Message-ID: <3E198A38.CC2F82D5@SPAMhp.com>   >rH > "Previously, in a multithreaded environment, if one thread was doing aD > read and a second thread proceeded to close the file descriptor, aH > memory corruption could occur. Eventually, this would lead to a randomA > access violation. This ECO corrects the problem, if the logical + > DECC$FD_LOCKING is defined to "ENABLED"."D >GA > OK, so I download the VMS731_ACRTL-V0100 patch, and can find NO38 > reference to the above paragraph in the release notes. > F > So, what's the scoop?  Is this an oversight in the release notes, or > did I miss something?0   An oversight, sorry.  R This  is in the CRTL kit, but its not a general feature meant to be visible to allP users.  Only a subset of IO functions are covered by the DECC$FD_LOCKING featureM switch, so we didn't intend to document this issue for this kit.  (The subset/# reported by an important customer).m  P This may get expanded in the future, if so, then we'll document this for general use.   Charlie  Compaq CRTL team   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 12:39:19 GMTdF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)= Subject: Re: wallpaper for the "normal" DECWindows interface? 1 Message-ID: <XNeS9.3$IR7.127098@news.cpqcorp.net>-  ] In article <3E160852.7000604@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:u >cI >I found in the FAQ the way to set up a wallpaper for the CPQWindows CDE.> > N >But, as I'm 52, and following the same motivation which prevented me to move Q >from EDT to TPU/EVE/XYZ/whatever, I never "moved" to the CDE (is it because the . >DIGITAL logo was missing? :-) >2N >So, the question is: is it possible to have a wallpaper with the Genuine DEC  >DECWindows?  A As others have noted, it is possible to put 'stuff' into the root-= window.  It's even possible to have xfishtank running as your(8 background for the traditional DECwindows configuration.   HOWEVER:  > keep in mind that there are programs that expect to get to the= root window, and which will not run if you have anything elsev< in the root window.  For example, some of the older browsers< such as Mosaic might hang on startup if they can't put their& 'splash' screens into the root window.  ; I don't have an exhaustive list of which applications won'tr; run if they can't get to the root window, so just keep thist2 in mind if some of your applications stop working.   -- e(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:51:51 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>4 Subject: Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)+ Message-ID: <avbjjo$q7i@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>-  P "Roy Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> wrote in message news:3E16BE03.9C958223@Omond.net...  B > Actually, as far as I remember, Camelot (the company running theA > UK Lottery) uses VAX 6000 systems, one cluster in RickmansworthrF > and one cluster in Bootle.  Anyone have any more exact information ?  G It's on their website: it was VAX but they upgraded to Alpha last year.:J And it gives their payout as ~50%, 10% costs+profit (including retailers), 12% tax, 28% charity found.h   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:21:05 -0000- From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com>s4 Subject: RE: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)E Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CAE28@tahiti.tinuk.com>s   > -----Original Message-----5 > From: Paul Sture [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch]=20b > Sent: 04 January 2003 07:15a > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como6 > Subject: Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year) >=20 >=20; > In article <3E14AC1F.7050204@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward=20  > <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:s > > Sue Skonetski wrote:A > >  > Thank you for your kind thoughts but just so you know I=20p > do not  >=20< > > play/gamble with the lottery tickets.  I sit with the=20 > engineers at  >=20A > > lunch and none of them play either.  They told me that the=20F > odds of  >=20g/ > > winning are the same as not playing at all.e > >=20/ > > ROTFL!  Sue neatly defines an engineer. ;-)e > >=20; > >  > Since I am not a technical person I do not really=20o > understand that =20e > > > logic but I trust them.e > >=20H > > The engineers are right- the odds of winning are vastly against you-J > > close enough to zero that it can be discounted.  OTOH, if you play,=20F > > they're also immeasurably better than if you don't play at all-=20J > > because if you don't buy any tickets, then you obviously will never=20 > > buy the winning one. > >e? > When the UK lottery was started (1994 IIRC), the odds were=20-? > something like 14 million to one. A radio programme at the=20m> > time reckoned you were stood substantially better chances=20 > with roulette. > =203B > > Myself, I believe the lottery is a tax for people who don't=20 > understandA > > math, offset slightly by the entertainment value it provides.n > >=20A > I know a lot of people play it for that faint chance that it=20 F > lifts them out of a life of poverty. It is IMNSHO a tax on the poor. >=20@ > > Final thought- I believe a fair number of lottery systems=20
 > run on VMS-g< > > or used to.  Buy a ticket, support your favorite OS. ;-) > >=20> > Indeed. Richard Branson tried bidding for the UK contract=20A > when it last came for for renewal, proposing M$ systems as a=20a! > replacement, would you believe.e >=20? > Fortunately for VMS, he lost that bid, but had he won, I'm=20 B > sure it would have provided plenty of entertainment for those=20 > of us who know better :-)e >=20 > --=20  > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland  >=20 >=20 >=20  C Interestingly, a recommendation came to me that you should buy your"H lottery ticket as close to the draw as possible. The reason for this wasH if you bought a ticket for example on a Monday for a Wednesday draw, theH odds on you surviving to the Wednesday meant you were more likely to die+ in those two days than win the draw itself.   H Whatever anyone says about the lottery though, and whether or not it's aF tax on the poor or anyone else who plays it, or whether the governmentH should stay away from it altogether, I'll still spend my fiver a week in the hope...r   ;^Dl   Cheers   Steve Su   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:39:25 +0100P6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>4 Subject: Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)) Message-ID: <3E19951D.1030701@vajhoej.dk>-   Steve Spires wrote:kE > Interestingly, a recommendation came to me that you should buy your J > lottery ticket as close to the draw as possible. The reason for this wasJ > if you bought a ticket for example on a Monday for a Wednesday draw, theJ > odds on you surviving to the Wednesday meant you were more likely to die- > in those two days than win the draw itself.e  8 Smart people have found out that it is better to play on numbers close to each other !-  8 Ofcourse every combination has the exact same probablity: of winning, but most people that pick their numbers manual< pick numbers almost equally spaced over the range. Therefore: if numbers close to each other are picked, then there will2 be fewer rigth combinations meaning higher prizes.   :-)p   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:41:04 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>4 Subject: Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)) Message-ID: <3E199580.2020108@vajhoej.dk>-  
 ualski wrote:-O > Does anyone know what sorts of reviews of the system and application software'K > were required of the winner? (of the contract!). Over in comp.risks there T > was some discussion of electronic voting machines that are essentially magic boxesS > because the vendor prohibited the customer from "looking inside," thereby forcingaP > the customer to trust the machines to work properly. The risk is obvious thereS > and without examining the source code and possibly parts of the operating system,f. > lotteries face problems of a similar nature.   I can not go into specifics.  5 But I can assure you that the security around Camelot  and its systems are very high.   Arne   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.012 ************************