0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 08 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 15      Contents: Re: backup problems..(newbie) / Re: ComputerWorld: HP Is Homeland Merger  Model  Re: DCL puzzle of the week$ DS20 and CIPCA - firmware 6.3 issues( Re: DS20 and CIPCA - firmware 6.3 issuesP FYI - CERT Advisory - Network device drivers reuse old frame buffer data to pad P Re: FYI - CERT Advisory - Network device drivers reuse old frame buffer data to K Re: How to change the "compaq" logo on the VAXstation desktop to "digital"? % How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail 9 HSG-80 firmware, version 8.7-1F... anybody installed yet? 9 HSG-80 firmware, version 8.7-1F... anybody installed yet? ' Re: Logical name security: sanity check 4 Re: OpenVMS BACKUP --> Restore in Windows NT / Linux Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits  Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits  Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits  Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits  Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits  Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits  Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits : OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world> Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world> Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world> Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world> RE: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world> Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world> Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world> Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real worldC Posting finally from VMS email ... was Outlook 98 and MINE postings P Re: Q: How to change the "compaq" logo on the VAXstation desktop to "digital"? "$ Re: Question on day of month symbols$ Re: Question on day of month symbols+ Re: Question on RDB Server under VMS v7.2-1 A RE: Reckon you can clean your own hard disk?          (03n d3e a) A RE: Reckon you can clean your own hard disk?          (03n d3e a) & Re: Recovering SYSTEM password when...& Re: Recovering SYSTEM password when...& Re: Recovering SYSTEM password when...  Re: Suggestions for Removing LAT TDMS for Alpha Re: TDMS for Alpha+ RE: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year) + Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year) + Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2003 16:50 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) & Subject: Re: backup problems..(newbie), Message-ID: <7JAN200316504257@gerg.tamu.edu>  G Martin Hepworth <martinh@ATsolid-state-logicoOIspammerNO.com> writes...  }Hi guys } E }Well for the past x million years our VMS systems have been running  ; }fine. However this year the backup script isn't working...  }  }I get this error..on all tapes  } 8 }%BACKUP-E-FATALERR, fatal error on MKA500:[]BACKUP.BCK; }-SYSTEM-F-PARITY, parity error  } < }What does this mean - broken tape drive?? broken file/disk? }--  }Martin Hepworth  E When's the last time you cleaned the tape drive? (I.E. Ran a cleaning E tape in it, or cleaned the heads however your drive type does it - on G the old TU81+ reel-to-reel drives you pop out a part near the head that H blocks access and clean it directly with the cleaning kit, for example.)  B If you have done that a couple times, then either the tape you areC using has gone bad or the drive has gone bad or, just possibly, the D cable connecting the drive has gone bad or the I/O controller at the computer end has gone bad.  E So, if cleaning doesn't work (sometimes you have to do this more than @ once) then you should try a different tape. Tapes do go bad, and? sometimes they are bad even on their first use (but not often). A How many times you can reuse a tape before it will go bad depends C both on the type of tape it is and individual variations (using DAT @ tapes, I've had a few go bad after only a dozen reuses, and haveF several that have been reused more than 20 times that are still good -? and I've had about 2, out of some number that is probably a bit A over 400, that have gone bad on their first use and a couple more " that have done so on the 2nd use).  E If that doesn't work, then it is probably the drive. The drive's head J may simply have hit the end of it's useful life - they do that eventually,! especially if you clean it a lot.   9 You might also look at the error log to see what it says.    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2003 19:03:46 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 8 Subject: Re: ComputerWorld: HP Is Homeland Merger  Model= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0301071903.6ae828e6@posting.google.com>   g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E15EC92.B68710A3@vl.videotron.ca>... = > Are there any explanations for this fairly radical change ?   E I think it just reflects the more-balanced views of pre-merger HP, in B which PCs were just one of several platform options for customers,* rather than the PC-focused view of Compaq.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:08:43 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Re: DCL puzzle of the week / Message-ID: <3E1B25B1.33C22C65@vl.videotron.ca>    Phillip Helbig wrote:  > C > Here's an excerpt from the log file of a batch job which I cannot 0 > explain.  Yes, it has occurred more than once.  J Is this an easily reproducible thing, or it just happens on days where theK alignment of the stars with planet Jupiter causes just enough gravitational 8 pull on the electrons in your VMS machines to go funny ?    < > $    rpt_fspec = "DSA103:[PND01.RPT.CIXXX]*CI400_IDM*.*;*" > $ * > $    if ( f$search(rpt_fspec) .NES. "" ) > $    then = > $       delete /log DSA103:[PND01.RPT.CIXXX]*CI400_IDM*.*;*    You could of course do:    		delete /log 'rpt_fspec  A This way you'd be sure to have the exact same file specification.   M Since F$SEARCH is a lexical and DELETE is an image, I highly doubt that there M would be any relationship between the widlcard search streams in F$SEARCH and N DELETE since DELETE will provide its own RMS context for the wildcard searchesE and subsequent deletes. And if the two were releated, you'd have that 2 behaviour everytime, not only once in a blue moon.      S > %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for DSA103:[PND01.RPT.CIXXX]*CI400_IDM*.*;*  > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found > $    endif    M This may sound silly, but it is possible that your job actually runs twice at L the same time ? That might explain why sometimes, they'd be so close to eachQ other that one would see the file while the other has already begun to delete it.   4 However, you need to provide a bit more information:N -how many files would you normally expect to be matched in that wildcard? Just) the one, or many ? Or a variable number ?   K If you have multiple files and two jobs racing against each other to delete M them, then each would run fine since they'd find at least one file to delete. L But if there is only one file to delete, then the second job might have timeM to see the file, but by the time the delete starts, the one remaining file is  gone, hence the message.    I I think it would help greatly if you stored the result of F$SEARCH into a M symbol and did a SHOW SYMBOL of it so your log file would give you an idea of  the file name.  L If you only expect one file to be deleted, you may want to use the result ofD F$SEARCH as input to delete (eg: delete a specific file instead of aG wildcard). That might remove any questions about wildcarding in DELETE.   L It would also help to understand what else is running on your system at thatH time. Are there any circumstances where the creation of a new file mightL prevent the delete operation from scanning the directory for matching files # and hence report a no-files-found ?    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2003 14:36:59 -0800 " From: ewilts@ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)- Subject: DS20 and CIPCA - firmware 6.3 issues = Message-ID: <995e39b6.0301071436.3b27b6b1@posting.google.com>   F Does anyone besides me have a DS20 with a CIPCA?  I know they're rare,, so issues are a real bugger to troubleshoot.  F I've got a pair of DS20's running 6.1 firmware without issues.  When I? tried to upgrade one to 6.3, the system would hang within a few ? minutes - sometimes during the mounts (from HSJ50-based disks), E sometimes earlier, but always within a few minutes.  HP wants a crash A dump and for me to test my other DS20 to see if it's got the same F issues, but I'm having difficulty getting the downtime to crash a pair	 of DS20s.   B If anybody is successfully running a DS20, CIPCA and firmware 6.3?   Thanks, 	    .../Ed  mailto:ewilts@ewilts.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:21:02 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.spamfree.net>1 Subject: Re: DS20 and CIPCA - firmware 6.3 issues 6 Message-ID: <3E1B8B0E.5F399648@earthlink.spamfree.net>   Ed Wilts wrote:  > H > Does anyone besides me have a DS20 with a CIPCA?  I know they're rare,. > so issues are a real bugger to troubleshoot. > H > I've got a pair of DS20's running 6.1 firmware without issues.  When IA > tried to upgrade one to 6.3, the system would hang within a few A > minutes - sometimes during the mounts (from HSJ50-based disks), G > sometimes earlier, but always within a few minutes.  HP wants a crash C > dump and for me to test my other DS20 to see if it's got the same H > issues, but I'm having difficulty getting the downtime to crash a pair > of DS20s.  > D > If anybody is successfully running a DS20, CIPCA and firmware 6.3?   FWIW...   H We had a major disaster over the weekend trying to upgrade our GS160s toH 1GHz CPUs + V6.3 firmware - I was told it actually toasted two CPUs, but cannot verify.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 21:28:41 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: FYI - CERT Advisory - Network device drivers reuse old frame buffer data to pad  I Message-ID: <dEHS9.194365$yW.193872@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   % http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/412115   2 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,809353,00.asp   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 17:03:03 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>Y Subject: Re: FYI - CERT Advisory - Network device drivers reuse old frame buffer data to  / Message-ID: <3E1B4076.8A016BC5@vl.videotron.ca>    John Smith wrote:  > ' > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/412115   K Well, Digital isn't listed in the list of vendors, so VMS must be safe :-)    H Interestingly, Microsoft is listed as not vulnerable... Hard to believe.  L Any comments from VMS engineers on this issue since they are responsible for the VMS ethernet drivers ?  M For those who don't have time to read: the accusation is that some drivers do K not pad ethernet packets smaller than 46 bytes with nulls, leaving any data L that was in the buffer before. As a result, sensitive data may be re-used as( padding when sent to other destinations.  F In the list of vendors, only a few have a status other than "unknown".   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:44:11 +0100. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>T Subject: Re: How to change the "compaq" logo on the VAXstation desktop to "digital"?< Message-ID: <3e1b5791$0$47048$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk>  4 Christian Karg <christian@karg.org> wrote in message/ news:7b342c68.0301070842.5e8799bb@posting.googl 8 > Does anyone have the "digital" logo in the appropriate > file format?  H OK, I attach a GIF file, which I found on DECW$UTILS on my good old VAX.I However, I'm pretty sure that this is not quite the right thing, since it * looks too small, but maybe you can use it.   Best regards Jesper Naur        begin 666 DIGITAL_LOGO.GIF= M1TE&.#=AEP`O`/0``/____?O\N_?Y>?/U]^_RM>OO<^?L,>/HL" E;APB+!@ = M>ZA0;:! 8)@P4Y @1H@0.( `*P`````````````````````````````````` = M`````````````````````````"P`````EP`O```%_B @CF1IGFBJKFSKOC"< = M,'1MW[8!&'A_#X"9;\C0\8@]H!!Y2P`&3)\HVIQ"KMBL-HL`(+9@+0' ")NO = MW>\9/"ZOMPP`X1T6T;5Q\EV;WF/;?EA]@8"!<7.!5W:&5HF#?H6!CWN1>X>) = MB@")>6Z27HF5>Y-WH727F(M^G)BC=*5TK6^O:Z>)J9:-GFJ0>HZ?A+VJ<I@0 = MMW>KOKN4P7ZQ:[-GM8'&IKG-O[R=U\JDS,?#J)J,WG?.# YAT&?F#>GD;])^ = MU/#68 X(^ J"V%E ``=LWKV)Y<] 0&U9&B0`" ><+7%X\"'0AZ=>0Q&((+12 = M0 *=&(%K6BWHN*54`P$8_L'$VS.O2\J*(*_D<2B2Q(.2,<W4'.$Q2ZF9&;.L = MO--R1%"9%F'2Y/='!+<KZG0RA>KTX$6'0K'*@\C%Z$6$5S,Z:]#S(UA84Z^0 = M=0<6J$JM++GN>YDUIULT:9_E#./LS$^O#8_&!>,2+C(S=S7F];N7\&(S?^EF = M%2PS`8(%9;$4E8S4VX,$!0@44)"X50,"J"F74F `-8('J<5./9W:*I;3_@`$ = M0$T1J6 $`4H,:)=ELV%K)TN@I-MJIERJVF K)['OJ7/;G4THBS?F1 #BF1QS = MAG"XP0K9UJGCU+8\1?6KSR%4<DYB.];"``1T%V%0<_S"@AVVWQ/M,3?5=>O- = M_B6"`+F-\)Y2\44&%WE8[;? %0\$EU]Q_P%6EQLCC4"1#AXVIYY9&&JXPQ4< = MG6BB@PDJ15D\#RC0&P0J<BC><;T`B$6&)1YXHD^].'?3%06X*"2,*,KX%F57 = M.*! @SINX2-,;NRG#(E+I<<DD6XX(5F(J;PXCX0SPN7 `05^:5R C;2GS96* = M>7EFCR,PE!U$9D9(3F*39?% DN[YMR.<O>PW9Y!V^NE&8?8QV2=V6 !:*58- = M!F# `H55R8>'E_9"* `WTCEIC"T"4$!=92YY9UN@7II1J@'TQJ6G78V'3&'] = M(<DH?+;-)$ 6J?+IJJ-A/8D%ES?NAZN"B(9I4Y0D_J ';(P.D'#A%04^R"JR = M3@;6E C@F>=FA[HV`J0(`]BH8I?7-@G!J %<-J"QC5*:G0`.+*!-+845<%-R = MYQ[Z%19BIF MA-AENX*WH;X*7U6R1BS"N[>\>?"X*"S\+:4)HP#QGOIR6X)] = M0=UKPK-XI>M-R $<\"O#,59:('XC4_AE4V<UH&*M@?XXJE.%@:<QEF T0(-4 = M3\GRC@,TW#1"`#D[?99,"H!7L18-*'!99BS3TYB5C[&UAL/P`G-U-!/2,0\M = M20U4-J4-'$# D1 DK&=?D(T=]$.;Q!W2W#&N*X<""W!):M5ZK8U8VV^\S;;? = M737=^+(J!,6WV8Q &7E\@W!3SCACG0R*`K^5@R(ZA9ZO(?GCJ]>I.D(*#%@O = MWGA93GK@K9_Q>AB';3-[&% S/7SGQ/S^5NR;EXR6[GT[#CSDKH,^N?1\$2ZO = M\&KSGKSUL&/O&/2<ZW*\,+V;H?Q%2U!!@Q'NUZ!$_#7 3__\]#L!!?TT3)%_  .# `,H `'2, "LB $`#L`  `  end    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:22:59 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG. Subject: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail0 Message-ID: <00A199E9.1F953108@SendSpamHere.ORG>   Subject says it all.    J I've brought up the news/mail window of Mozilla but there is nothing that G looks like it did under Netscape.  How would I view messages of a news- G group?  I've defined the server and (I think) subscribed to a newsgroup I but Mozilla just sits there and eats CPU cycles.  There doesn't appear to I be any traffic on the port (119) when this is occurring.  I've let it run H to yhe point where it has accrued over an hour of CPU time and still no- thing in the display.   > When I've seen this function, I'll tackle the mail component.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 03 01:06:11 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail) Message-ID: <s8Y3eYQaVM8h@elias.decus.ch>   U In article <00A199E9.1F953108@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > Subject says it all.   > L > I've brought up the news/mail window of Mozilla but there is nothing that I > looks like it did under Netscape.  How would I view messages of a news- I > group?  I've defined the server and (I think) subscribed to a newsgroup K > but Mozilla just sits there and eats CPU cycles.  There doesn't appear to K > be any traffic on the port (119) when this is occurring.  I've let it run J > to yhe point where it has accrued over an hour of CPU time and still no- > thing in the display.  >   N It's been a while since did this (mid summer or before?), but I seem to recallN finding a website reference which pointed at a newsgroup item was the  easiest7 way , and that brought me up the appropriate dialogues.    --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:22:03 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail. Message-ID: <3E1B6101.1555C3A@vl.videotron.ca>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: K > but Mozilla just sits there and eats CPU cycles.  There doesn't appear to K > be any traffic on the port (119) when this is occurring.  I've let it run J > to yhe point where it has accrued over an hour of CPU time and still no- > thing in the display.   N Is it possible that it is building the list of newsgroups ? That tends to take4 a long while the first time you use such a software.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:55:20 -0500 From: koskaj@bender.com B Subject: HSG-80 firmware, version 8.7-1F... anybody installed yet?: Message-ID: <03010715552058.ca5.4376869@alaxp3.bender.com>  L I was wondering if anyone out there has installed/upgraded to HSG-80 8.7-1F 6 firmware, and if there have been any issues with such.    :) jck
 John Koska   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:06:03 -0500 From: koskaj@bender.com B Subject: HSG-80 firmware, version 8.7-1F... anybody installed yet?: Message-ID: <03010716060371.ca5.4381369@alaxp3.bender.com>  K I was wondering if anyone out there has installed/upgraded to HSG-80 8.7-1F 6 firmware, and if there have been any issues with such.   :) jck
 John Koska   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:30:47 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>0 Subject: Re: Logical name security: sanity check/ Message-ID: <3E1B2ADC.9A2FC0CE@vl.videotron.ca>    Michael Unger wrote:C > Users with a UIC group less than or equal to the (dynamic) SYSGEN  > parameter MAXSYSGROUP?  M But don't those users just get the equivalent of SYSPRV ? Or do they get much # much more than they bargained for ?   F > Users which claim to be modest and ask only for the single privilege	 > SETPRV?   H But SETPRV in itself doesn't give access to any "objects" on the system,	 correct ?   N If I have SETPRV as active privilege for my process, I still can't access thatI logical in a protected table, correct ? (I woudl have to enable SYSPRV or  BYPASS to gain access...)      Also, what puzzles me a bit:  # when i protect a logical name table : > $CREATE/NAME_TABLE/PARENT=LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY CHOCOLATE4 > $SET SECURITY CHOCOLATE/CLASS=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE -' > /OWNER=COOK /PROT=(W,G,O:RWCD,S:RWCD)   L A user with only SYSNAM can't seem to access it. But could SYSNAM be used toE change the attributes of the logical name table to make it "public" ?   J What exactly does SYSNAM do ? Give access to any table owned by "SYSTEM" ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:11:38 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.spamfree.net>= Subject: Re: OpenVMS BACKUP --> Restore in Windows NT / Linux 6 Message-ID: <3E1B88DA.DC2B0C29@earthlink.spamfree.net>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Dear Sirs  >  > Happy new year ! > 4 > Is there a way to restore OpenVMS backup save sets7 > in Windows NT or Linux ??? Any product ? Freeweare or  > commercial ?  E The concept is of limited or no value unless the file is some form of E stream format or fixed record length. Remember: no RMS on WhineBloze.   7 > Or just coping to a tape (using $ COPY) and restoring  > in a PC ?   C Same problem, plus WhineBloze does not natively provide support for , tape, period, much less ANSI-labelled tapes.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 03 19:55:49 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) & Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits) Message-ID: <RGeIewfyK6TR@elias.decus.ch>   U In article <W6CHH5rBzKWi@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: m > In article <e565ed03.0301070914.6881a7d2@posting.google.com>, davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes: H >> The OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits have been remastered, and are scheduledG >> to begin shipping Jan 20th once we get them back from manufacturing. I >> The new OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits have been remastered with the latest D >> O/S and current versions of selected Layered Products.  We're nowI >> accepting orders for the new kit from the OpenVMS Hobbyist Web Site at # >> http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist  >>   >> The disk contents are:  >>  2 >> OpenVMS V7.3         DECWindows 1.2.6 (Motif)  * >> DECnet Phase IV      DECnet OSI Phase V) >> TCPIP V5.1           Kerberos VAX V1.0 % >> BASIC V3.9           Compaq C V6.4 # >> Compaq FORTRAN V6.6  Pascal V5.8 $ >> DCPS V2.0            DECSet V12.4 >> Datatrieve V7.2 >>   > . > Congratulations and thanks for your efforts. > E > I'll just remind everyone that Hobbyists wishing to use this kit on 9 > Alpha systems in a cluster should disable the XFC cache 3 > (by setting the SYSGEN parameter VCC_FLAGS to 1).   H Ooops. Ignore that last paragraph. The Alpha Hobbyist kit is still V7.2.   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2003 13:41:50 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits3 Message-ID: <K193eESq4nxu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <W6CHH5rBzKWi@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:   E > I'll just remind everyone that Hobbyists wishing to use this kit on 9 > Alpha systems in a cluster should disable the XFC cache 3 > (by setting the SYSGEN parameter VCC_FLAGS to 1).   ? Anyone wanting to use the VAX kit on Alpha systems in a cluster 3 should also be prepared to do a lot of programming.   F Or did you mean using it under a VAX emulator on that Alpha system :-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:52:03 -0500. From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" <dougq@iglou.com>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits' Message-ID: <3e1b2fe5_1@news.iglou.com>   8 "David L. Cathey" <davidc@montagar.com> wrote in message7 news:e565ed03.0301070914.6881a7d2@posting.google.com... G > The OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits have been remastered, and are scheduled F > to begin shipping Jan 20th once we get them back from manufacturing.H > The new OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits have been remastered with the latestC > O/S and current versions of selected Layered Products.  We're now H > accepting orders for the new kit from the OpenVMS Hobbyist Web Site at" > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist  B Which works well for those already members of DECUS and Encompass,@ but for those of us who have been trying to join Encompass since@ Chritsmas, and who are still waiting for a membership number, it doesn't work so well...   > But you're not Encompass, I understand that... just venting...   -dq    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 03 00:44:09 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) & Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits) Message-ID: <WlNiAtIH8R$l@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <K193eESq4nxu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: W > In article <W6CHH5rBzKWi@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:  > F >> I'll just remind everyone that Hobbyists wishing to use this kit on: >> Alpha systems in a cluster should disable the XFC cache4 >> (by setting the SYSGEN parameter VCC_FLAGS to 1). > A > Anyone wanting to use the VAX kit on Alpha systems in a cluster 5 > should also be prepared to do a lot of programming.  > H > Or did you mean using it under a VAX emulator on that Alpha system :-)  ; OK, I seriously messed up on that post because I missed the 	 word VAX.    Apologies to all   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:02:04 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")& Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits6 Message-ID: <00A199F6.F74CC218@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  k In article <e565ed03.0301070914.6881a7d2@posting.google.com>, davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) writes:   F >The OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits have been remastered, and are scheduledE >to begin shipping Jan 20th once we get them back from manufacturing. G >The new OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits have been remastered with the latest B >O/S and current versions of selected Layered Products.  We're nowG >accepting orders for the new kit from the OpenVMS Hobbyist Web Site at ! >http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist  >  >The disk contents are:  > 0 >OpenVMS V7.3         DECWindows 1.2.6 (Motif)  ( >DECnet Phase IV      DECnet OSI Phase V' >TCPIP V5.1           Kerberos VAX V1.0 # >BASIC V3.9           Compaq C V6.4 ! >Compaq FORTRAN V6.6  Pascal V5.8 " >DCPS V2.0            DECSet V12.4 >Datatrieve V7.2 >    Hooray!    I'm very pleased to hear this.  : Thanks for all your (individual and collective) hard work.   -- Alan     O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 21:11:44 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)& Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist KitsL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0701032111450001@user-2ive1e5.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <W6CHH5rBzKWi@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul
 Sture) wrote:   D >I'll just remind everyone that Hobbyists wishing to use this kit on8 >Alpha systems in a cluster should disable the XFC cache2 >(by setting the SYSGEN parameter VCC_FLAGS to 1).  G I disagree.  Alpha systems running VMS 7.3 or later should have the XFC D ECO installed, and should enable XFC.  With the ECO, you are no moreH likely to have problems with XFC than with VIOC.  And XFC performance is almost always better.   C As someone has pointed out, you can't run VMS 7.3 on alpha with the H hobbyist distribution, but if you have access to media kits, you can run' 7.3 or 7.3-1 with the hobbyist license.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:29:38 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.spamfree.net>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits6 Message-ID: <3E1B8D12.ADE256DA@earthlink.spamfree.net>   Robert Deininger wrote:  > H > In article <W6CHH5rBzKWi@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul > Sture) wrote:  > F > >I'll just remind everyone that Hobbyists wishing to use this kit on: > >Alpha systems in a cluster should disable the XFC cache4 > >(by setting the SYSGEN parameter VCC_FLAGS to 1). > I > I disagree.  Alpha systems running VMS 7.3 or later should have the XFC F > ECO installed, and should enable XFC.  With the ECO, you are no moreJ > likely to have problems with XFC than with VIOC.  And XFC performance is > almost always better.   G I'd add the caveat to install the XFC ECO *IMMEDIATELY* after doing the  V7.3 install/upgrade.   E > As someone has pointed out, you can't run VMS 7.3 on alpha with the J > hobbyist distribution, but if you have access to media kits, you can run) > 7.3 or 7.3-1 with the hobbyist license.   D That may be confusing - the available OpenVMS-Alpha distribution forG hobbyists is V7.2 plus selected layered products to fill up a CD image. C However, as Robert noted: if you can get the V7.3 distribution from C work, a friend, etc., you certainly can install and run it with the 7 hobbyist license. Likewise, the layered products (SPL).    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:43:55 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>C Subject: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world 0 Message-ID: <01C2B64A.94D298E0@sulfer.icius.com>  E You may need to get this one quickly, it's a cached copy of something F pulled from the original website. Pic of the box (very thin), lid off, and some specs.   H http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:B0xCendRLhIC:www.polywell.com/us/ra   Article here in the Inq well:   ( http://www.theinquirer.org/?article=7073  D It's debuting at a low clock speed (1.4ghz), so it's no speed demon.F Still, it's one step closer to hitting the streets. I still want a VMS port to it.    Shane	   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 16:37:37 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>G Subject: Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world . Message-ID: <3E1B3A80.88DD811@vl.videotron.ca>  J You know, perhaps Intel (through its subsidiary/slave HP) might be able toR kill the Hammer party if it were to unveil very publicly the Alpha EV7 benchmarks.  B It wouldn't really harm IA64 since it is already considered a slowN chip/failure, but it would soil the new kid on the block (Hammer) and remove a lot of steam from its launch.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:38:15 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> G Subject: Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world 2 Message-ID: <3E1B80DE.573C9817@firstdbasource.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > L > You know, perhaps Intel (through its subsidiary/slave HP) might be able toT > kill the Hammer party if it were to unveil very publicly the Alpha EV7 benchmarks. > D > It wouldn't really harm IA64 since it is already considered a slowP > chip/failure, but it would soil the new kid on the block (Hammer) and remove a > lot of steam from its launch.   H Sadly, it would only remove the steam if you could run Wxx on it.  WhileD EV7 will run circles around it's closest competitor, if it won't runE Windows then the only ones that will care are research and government E environments where they can simulate an atomic explosion in near real C time...  And if the masses can't use it then Intel, AMD and the box H makers (HP, Dell, etc...) are not interested.  You don't see IBM portingG Wxx to Power or Sun to SPARC... The best technology rarely wins because E it is the best technology. Primarily because you  have too many suits F who want to make their stockholders happy by selling lots of commodityB crap rather than the real technology.  Long gone are the days whenC companies were interested in developing for the future. And this is C quite evident by the state of technology today.  We are still using B basically the SAME technology for the past 10+ years.  Yea, it gotF smaller and faster, but technically speaking, commodity boxes have not changed that dramatically.    --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 02:03:37 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)G Subject: Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world 5 Message-ID: <avg0tp$f9d2c$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   . In article <3E1B3A80.88DD811@vl.videotron.ca>,3 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: L > You know, perhaps Intel (through its subsidiary/slave HP) might be able toT > kill the Hammer party if it were to unveil very publicly the Alpha EV7 benchmarks. > D > It wouldn't really harm IA64 since it is already considered a slowP > chip/failure, but it would soil the new kid on the block (Hammer) and remove a > lot of steam from its launch.   E It might have, except that everybody already knows that Alpha is dead 7 and at the end of it's line while AMD is just starting.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:05:45 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>G Subject: RE: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world 0 Message-ID: <01C2B677.91048070@sulfer.icius.com>  / >In article <3E1B3A80.88DD811@vl.videotron.ca>, 4 >	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:M >> You know, perhaps Intel (through its subsidiary/slave HP) might be able to I >> kill the Hammer party if it were to unveil very publicly the Alpha EV7  benchmarks.  >>  E >> It wouldn't really harm IA64 since it is already considered a slow H >> chip/failure, but it would soil the new kid on the block (Hammer) and remove a  >> lot of steam from its launch. > F >It might have, except that everybody already knows that Alpha is dead8 >and at the end of it's line while AMD is just starting. >8 >bill0  D That just makes it all the more damaging in the hands of a competentD marketer (read: someone with no scruples and an imagination): "Look,H this old Alpha kicks Hammer's butt, and we're throwing it away in favour, of what's coming down the pipe from Itanic."  D All it has to do is delay take up of Hammer long enough to kill AMD,F who're in a less than enviable financial position just now. Not that IB want that to happen. I'd much rather have a Hammer version of VMS.+ (Maybe if I post that line often enough...)o   ShaneM   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:43:39 -0600-@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.spamfree.net>G Subject: Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real worldt6 Message-ID: <3E1B905B.BADCCFED@earthlink.spamfree.net>   Shane Smith wrote: > [snip]/ > I'd much rather have a Hammer version of VMS.e- > (Maybe if I post that line often enough...)o   Don't hold your breath.A   -- i David J. DachteraM dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/T   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 23:37:05 -0400t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>G Subject: Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world)/ Message-ID: <3E1B9CE0.C0FE7D89@vl.videotron.ca>    Shane Smith wrote:F > All it has to do is delay take up of Hammer long enough to kill AMD,H > who're in a less than enviable financial position just now. Not that ID > want that to happen. I'd much rather have a Hammer version of VMS.- > (Maybe if I post that line often enough...)e  L Would Mr Dachtera agree that a port of VMS to a 64 bit 8086 fulfill the need" to put VMS on a popular platform ?  M If the semi-logical reason for murdering Alpha was to put VMS onto a platformnL with a brighter future, then IA64 is not the right target because its futureK is already in doubt with all the rumours of Intel going for an 64 bit 8086,.I and AMD already producing a 64 bit 8086 whose performance  may be able toeL climb faster than IA64 since the 8086 architecture is easier to upgrade than the complex bloated IA64.a   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2003 23:11:06 -0600]- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-G Subject: Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world 3 Message-ID: <gM4vLDhLyMCC@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  f In article <3E1B80DE.573C9817@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:l >> aM >> You know, perhaps Intel (through its subsidiary/slave HP) might be able tonU >> kill the Hammer party if it were to unveil very publicly the Alpha EV7 benchmarks.i >> wE >> It wouldn't really harm IA64 since it is already considered a slowRQ >> chip/failure, but it would soil the new kid on the block (Hammer) and remove a   >> lot of steam from its launch. > J > Sadly, it would only remove the steam if you could run Wxx on it.  WhileF > EV7 will run circles around it's closest competitor, if it won't runG > Windows then the only ones that will care are research and government G > environments where they can simulate an atomic explosion in near reall	 > time...c  @ An ordinary desktop user does not need something as fast as EV7.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:02:36 -0500 From: koskaj@bender.com L Subject: Posting finally from VMS email ... was Outlook 98 and MINE postings: Message-ID: <03010715023628.ca5.4356726@alaxp3.bender.com>  F I believe I finally have my email posting headaches behind me to this ; newsgroup.  Now posting from an OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1 system.r  E Previously, I had problems with Outlook 98 sending HTML/MIME to this iK newsgroup.  I discovered a Microsoft Knowledgebase article which describes oO the effect, titled "295438 - OL98: Outlook Sends HTML Messages to the Internet  J When You Use an Exchange 2000 Mailbox", but for me this article was not a O solution.  Taking the actions in the article did not work for me, so there was  @ no solution but to move to VMS mail; which is the best solution.  0 My apologies once again for prior MIME postings.   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co, Inc.y  A Member of the LexisNexis Group   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:53:06 +0100i. From: labadie <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1>Y Subject: Re: Q: How to change the "compaq" logo on the VAXstation desktop to "digital"? "m) Message-ID: <3E1B3022.6160D09E@127.0.0.1>s   Christian Karg wrote:W  E > I just got my VAXstation 4000/90A booted up under OpenVMS 7.3 using2G > the LCSPX internal graphics adapter. For nostalgia, I want to replaceoF > the startup logo of "compaq" with a "digital" logo. Does anyone knowH > how to do this? Does anyone have the "digital" logo in the appropriate > file format? >c > Best Regards,e > Christian    Hello   F If memory serves me, before starting decwindows, you should define the" logical name decw$login_backgroundJ - if the translation of this  logical is "false", you do not have any logo  E - if the translation is sys$manager:logo.com (for example), then thisw procedure is executed.I You can do a XV of your preferred Gif file inside this command procedure.x# (xv -max -quit -root astronaut.gif)bF I think there is a logo.c program displaying Ferrari or something like" that, but I do not remember where.   Regardsh   Grard   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:19:20 GMTo1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>M- Subject: Re: Question on day of month symbols=2 Message-ID: <3E1B7C6D.4414B940@firstdbasource.com>   Oscar Lerma wrote: >  > Hello, > N > I am working on a DCL COM file that will need to retrieve the first and last0 > date of the previous month.  For example sinceJ > today is 7-Jan-2003 I would need to retrieve 1-Dec-2002 and 31-Dec-2002.  > Any help would be appreciated. > 	 > thanks,a > Oscarh   or...t  N $lastday=f$cvt("today-''f$integer(f$cvt("TODAY",,"DAY"))'-","ABSOLUTE","DATE") $mth =J "-"+f$cvt(lastday,"absolute","month")+"-"+f$cvt(lastday,"absolute","year"). $firstday = f$cvt("1''mth'","ABSOLUTE","DATE") $ write sys$output lastday $ write sys$output firstdayl  
 produces:  31-DEC-2002 
 1-DEC-2002   -- H Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163s   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 15:25:24 GMT K From: kruinigerj@compaq.com (John Kruiniger, Systems Manager, HP, Chch, NZ)h- Subject: Re: Question on day of month symbolst! Message-ID: <eYQ3wZ7fq4H6@ccad14>   \ In article <RNCS9.5224$Pb.40329@twister.austin.rr.com>, "Oscar Lerma" <o@rgv.rr.com> writes:   N > I am working on a DCL COM file that will need to retrieve the first and last0 > date of the previous month.  For example sinceJ > today is 7-Jan-2003 I would need to retrieve 1-Dec-2002 and 31-Dec-2002.  > Any help would be appreciated.   $ date = f$time()y $ date[0,2] := " 1"t $ date = f$extract(0,11,date)i $ date = date + "-1-"t" $ date = f$cvtime(date,"ABSOLUTE") $ date = f$extract(0,11,date)e2 $ sh sym date	! This is last day of previous month $ date[0,2] := " 1"u3 $ sh sym date	! This is first day of previous montho     cheers,l   John Kruiniger   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2003 13:15:26 -0800 7 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)n4 Subject: Re: Question on RDB Server under VMS v7.2-1= Message-ID: <8a646952.0301071315.24faeb27@posting.google.com>i  b "Andrew Robert" <arobert@townisp.com> wrote in message news:<v1lqtrn3642k93@corp.supernews.com>... > Hi Everyone, >  > I > According to the notes described at web page below, row read caching iscN > available from RDB v 7.0.1 and read/write caching is available from 7.0.1.5. > N > http://otn.oracle.com/products/rdb/htdocs/rdb7/enhancing_application_perf_ro
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 eye on CPU 0.   H Though if the later were the case, one solution would be to turn off LATJ elsewhere and attached the printer terminal server to the same LAN segmentC as the system driving it. (or only bridge the path between the two.i  H At any rate I beleive the negative impact of the multicasts is in directI relationship to the number of LAT hosts and servers. Switching off LAT onrK the systems and servers that only use a few LAT connections, will go a longi% way toward reducing the LAN overhead.-   Todd  > "Steve Reece" <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> wrote in message0 news:3E08C5FF.29970576@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk...G > A little late to this party (unsurprisingly) but there's an importanth > point for remote systems:9I > LAT startup rarely fails, DECnet and TCP/IP startups do fail sometimes.aG > If you have LAT running on the system and something else locally thathJ > you can use to talk to the system using LAT then you may be able to dragI > a system out of the clag after a problematic reboot where you otherwiser > would not be able to.u >o > Needless to say, YMMV. >s > Steve. >  >r > Jiri Kulhan wrote: > >aG > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:13:39 -0600 tolkien <limer1don@netscape.net>  wrote: > >wK > > > I have 2 Alpha Servers which are running LAT.  Our Datacom DepartmentsH > > > is currently Bridging it across the Network which is creating some > > > overhead.l > > >nI > > > Both servers run OpenVMS 7.2-1.  We currently have about 25 devicesaD > > > which are utilizing the LAT which we would like to move to IP. > > >wK > > > I would like to see any feedback from any of you that have ever moved0H > > > devices from LAT to IP as far as pitfalls, gotcha's and success's. > > >s > >iI > > I installed a Xyplex LAT/Telnet gateway box several years ago. WorkedA fine.@ > >p > > Regards, > >  > > Jiri Kulhant >t > --I > "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeoG > a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.iC > Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"d% > Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"u >i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:10:45 GMTmL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: TDMS for Alphar6 Message-ID: <00A199F8.2E082988@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   Comp.os.vmsers --n  L So I've heard from a couple of sources that I can't put my hands on now thatL TDMS, which had been left as VAX-only, is going to end up on Alpha after all (and get ported to Itanium).   How can I confirm this?)  K How can I find out when it'll be available and whether it'll be on CSLG and0  how much it'll cost if it isn't?  G I'm really interested because the only reason the VAX 4000/90  is in mysL cluster is for the TDMS Forms Editor, and I keep worrying that eventually anJ Rdb upgrade or _something_ is going to break the CDD compatibility betweenN the VAX and my Alphas, at which point I'll never be able to change a TDMS formL again.  If I can get full TDMS on Alpha, the VAX can go to a deserving home ( and I can stop paying maintenance on it.  H (I'm doing my best to replace the TDMS applications with CSWS-based appsD running against the same databases, but that's really, really slow.)   Thanks,t   -- Alan)  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056iM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025oO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2003 23:09:48 -0600r- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)S Subject: Re: TDMS for Alphao3 Message-ID: <9Wo4e3xCKejK@eisner.encompasserve.org>n   In article <00A199F8.2E082988@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:O  N > So I've heard from a couple of sources that I can't put my hands on now thatN > TDMS, which had been left as VAX-only, is going to end up on Alpha after all > (and get ported to Itanium). >  > How can I confirm this?   A By reading previous posts in comp.os.vms.  It was posted sometime @ after the VMS Symposium in Nashua, because the VMS Symposium was3 the first place I heard of it (at the lunch table).O  M > How can I find out when it'll be available and whether it'll be on CSLG ande" > how much it'll cost if it isn't?    Try looking at the VMS web site.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:25:45 -05005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>o4 Subject: RE: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)O Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D5B3602B@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>e  D I also understand that the digits 1-31 are also very popular - the = reason I'll leave to the reader...e   -----Original Message-----5 From: Steve Spires [mailto:Steve.Spires@torex.com]=20l' Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:34 AM. To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 Subject: RE: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)         > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Alan E. Feldman [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]a > Sent: 06 January 2003 23:54t > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come6 > Subject: Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year) >=20 >=202 > Arne Vajh=F8j <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message' > news:<3E19951D.1030701@vajhoej.dk>...S > [...]t< > > Smart people have found out that it is better to play on > numbers closen > > to each other !a > >=20< > > Ofcourse every combination has the exact same probablityC > > of winning, but most people that pick their numbers manual pickcI > > numbers almost equally spaced over the range. Therefore if numbers=20sE > > close to each other are picked, then there will be fewer rigth=20 ' > > combinations meaning higher prizes.  > >=20 > > :-)r > >=20 > > Arne >=208 > Hell, you may as well pick 1 2 3 4 5 ... They're closeB > together and who else is going to pick this combo? Plus, it's=20 > easier to check if you won.s >=20; > "But wait", some might say, "that'll never come up!". ButV2 > it's just as likely as any other set of numbers. >=20 > &-)6 >=20 > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. FeldmanS >=20 >=20 >=20  G In the UK this is apparently the most popular combination ['1 2 3 4 5 =  6' ins: our case - 6 from 49] so is it laziness or something else?   ;^Dh  
 Steve S=20    G The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged =C andSB confidential information and is intended only for the use of the =	 person(s)VH named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or = agent F responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any< review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this = communication isD strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please = contactuD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theD original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders = and/orC instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for =  carrying$ out such orders and/or instructions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:33:22 -0400r0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>4 Subject: Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)/ Message-ID: <3E1B2B77.3C2F714D@vl.videotron.ca>u  G > > Hell, you may as well pick 1 2 3 4 5 ... They're close together andsG > > who else is going to pick this combo? Plus, it's easier to check ifo > > you won. > >nJ > > "But wait", some might say, "that'll never come up!". But it's just as' > > likely as any other set of numbers.r  M Didn't one 3 digit New York Lottery come up with 9 1 1 on september 11 2002 ?a   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2003 18:52:53 -0800d. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)4 Subject: Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301071852.78c2813a@posting.google.com>t  g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E1B2B77.3C2F714D@vl.videotron.ca>...oI > > > Hell, you may as well pick 1 2 3 4 5 ... They're close together andwI > > > who else is going to pick this combo? Plus, it's easier to check if  > > > you won. > > >aL > > > "But wait", some might say, "that'll never come up!". But it's just as) > > > likely as any other set of numbers.m > O > Didn't one 3 digit New York Lottery come up with 9 1 1 on september 11 2002 ?g    > Astonishingly, yes. The "numbers" lottery, which is 3 digits.    http://www.nylottery.org/ny/nyStore/cgi-bin/NumbersPastResults_Cat_337680_SubCat_337681_NavRoot_302.htm?DrwnDtMon=8&DrwnDtYr=2002&DrwnDtDt=11&RngDtMonStrt=-1&RngDtMonEnd=-1&RngDtYrStrt=-1&RngDtYrEnd=-1&RngDtDtStrt=-1&RngDtDtEnd=-1&   ? or if the wrap ruins it, go to www.nylottery.org and click past(> winning numbers and payouts and carefully fill out the fields.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmans   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.015 ************************