0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 08 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 16      Contents: Alpha TDMS information Re: backup problems..(newbie)  Boot Contest change  Re: Boot Contest change  Re: Boot Contest change  Re: Boot Contest change  Re: Camelot  Re: Camelot  Re: Camelot 2 Re: Compaq's phenomonal stupidity in killing Alpha2 Re: Compaq's phenomonal stupidity in killing Alpha2 Re: Compaq's phenomonal stupidity in killing Alpha Re: DCL puzzle of the week Re: DCL puzzle of the week Re: DCL puzzle of the week Re: DCL puzzle of the week Re: DCL puzzle of the week Re: DCL puzzle of the week Re: DCL puzzle of the week( Re: DS20 and CIPCA - firmware 6.3 issues! Re: First Hammer performance test P Re: FYI - CERT Advisory - Network device drivers reuse old frame buffer  data to) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail = Re: HSG-80 firmware, version 8.7-1F... anybody installed yet? = Re: HSG-80 firmware, version 8.7-1F... anybody installed yet? ( Re: initialize/erase does no useful work( Re: initialize/erase does no useful work Re: is VMS really easy to use?' Re: Logical name security: sanity check ' Re: Logical name security: sanity check " Re: New Marvel machines? New news? old SAP topic recovery?  Re: old SAP topic recovery?  Re: old SAP topic recovery? 4 Re: OpenVMS BACKUP --> Restore in Windows NT / Linux Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits  Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits > Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world> RE: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world PLUG: txt2pdf 6.3 P Re: Q: How to change the "compaq" logo on the VAXstation desktop to   "digital"?$ Re: Question on day of month symbols+ Re: Question on RDB Server under VMS v7.2-1 + Re: Question on RDB Server under VMS v7.2-1 F RDB A Comprehensive Guide (was: Question on RDB Server under VMS v...)J Re: RDB A Comprehensive Guide (was: Question on RDB Server under VMS v...)P Re: RDB A Comprehensive Guide (was: Question on RDB Server under VMS v...) v...)P Re: RDB A Comprehensive Guide (was: Question on RDB Server under VMS v...) v...)& Re: Recovering SYSTEM password when...& Re: Recovering SYSTEM password when...& Re: Recovering SYSTEM password when... Seeking Lost Digital Web Art Re: SMTP mail: SFF facility  Re: SMTP mail: SFF facility  Re: TN5250 terminal emulation 4 VAX version of GNUPG (GNU Privacy Guard aka GNU PGP)
 VMS Issues Re: VMS Issues Re: VMS Issues Re: VMS MIME Re: VMS MIME Re: VMS MIME Re: VMS MIME Re: VMS MIME Re: VMS MIME  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:39:32 -05005 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>  Subject: Alpha TDMS information * Message-ID: <avhr9c$jb3$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  G Here is the Alpha TDMS information.  Please feel free to reply with any  further questions.   Thanks,    Bob Sampson   # Alpha TDMS News (January 8th 2003):   ' For further information, please e-mail:   % Jim.Rallis@hp.com for sales questions   - Robert.Sampson@hp.com for technical questions   , Dave.Lewis@hp.com for distribution questions   Documents available on request:   
 Release Notes   : Loan of Software Agreement Form (for sixty-day evaluation)   Sales Terms   9 This software is not listed in CSLG. Here is the pricing:    ALPHA_TDMS_RTO ALPHA_TDMS_DEV   ! Run-Time Only Kit Development Kit   K ======== Please note that the pricing list has been removed according to hp  policy by Sue Skonetski   >  There is no charge for sixty-day evaluation kits and licenses (ALPHA_TDMS_EVA).   H OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-2, V7.3-1 or later is required. Oracle CDD/RepositoryI V7.0A or later, and Oracle Rdb V7.0-61 or later, are required for storage K and retrieval of forms and requests by FDU and RDU (development kit). Alpha K TDMS is *not* a traditional software product,although our intent is to make A it resemble VAX TDMS, as closely and in as many ways as possible.   L All support (sales, technical, distribution) for Alpha TDMS software will beH provided exclusively by our organization, still doing business as Compaq9 Federal LLC, integrated into HP Services (Public Sector).   K Organizations within HP (such as the Support Centers and Engineering Teams) K that offer support for traditional software products (such as VAX TDMS) are % *not* equipped to support Alpha TDMS.   H The CSC "Gold" support team in Colorado, as well as the VAX TDMS ProductG Management and Sustaining Engineering teams in New Hampshire, have been K fully informed of the existence of Alpha TDMS, and of the need to refer any < support "elevations" to our organization; specifically to meI (Robert.Sampson@hp.com), as the Alpha TDMS technical support team leader.   L There are no export restrictions on Alpha TDMS. We were finally able to makeI it available worldwide for both evaluations and sales, starting late last I year.Our intent is to respond to customer demand (if any) by also porting G TDMS to OpenVMS IPF (a.k.a. Itanium 2 or IA-64). At this somewhat early K stage, we have not made a commitment. However, my preliminary investigation ? shows that such a porting effort would most likely be feasible.    Hope this helps!   Bob Sampson    Robert.Sampson@hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:46:32 +0000 C From: Martin Hepworth <martinh@ATsolid-state-logicoOIspammerNO.com> & Subject: Re: backup problems..(newbie)+ Message-ID: <J4VS9.13$NZ4.295@psinet-eu-nl>    Carl  F I cleaned the drive and everything got back to life. We normally do a L clean once a month (only takes about 30 mins etc backup to an exabyte unit).  H But the extra clean with a new tape cleaner seemed to have done the job.  2 right back to the day job of doing unix admind :-)     --   Martin Hepworth  Senior Systems Administrator Solid State Logic Ltd  +44 (0)1865 842300     Carl Perkins wrote: I > Martin Hepworth <martinh@ATsolid-state-logicoOIspammerNO.com> writes... 
 > }Hi guys > } G > }Well for the past x million years our VMS systems have been running  = > }fine. However this year the backup script isn't working...  > } ! > }I get this error..on all tapes  > } : > }%BACKUP-E-FATALERR, fatal error on MKA500:[]BACKUP.BCK;! > }-SYSTEM-F-PARITY, parity error  > } > > }What does this mean - broken tape drive?? broken file/disk? > }--  > }Martin Hepworth > G > When's the last time you cleaned the tape drive? (I.E. Ran a cleaning G > tape in it, or cleaned the heads however your drive type does it - on I > the old TU81+ reel-to-reel drives you pop out a part near the head that J > blocks access and clean it directly with the cleaning kit, for example.) > D > If you have done that a couple times, then either the tape you areE > using has gone bad or the drive has gone bad or, just possibly, the F > cable connecting the drive has gone bad or the I/O controller at the > computer end has gone bad. > G > So, if cleaning doesn't work (sometimes you have to do this more than B > once) then you should try a different tape. Tapes do go bad, andA > sometimes they are bad even on their first use (but not often). C > How many times you can reuse a tape before it will go bad depends E > both on the type of tape it is and individual variations (using DAT B > tapes, I've had a few go bad after only a dozen reuses, and haveH > several that have been reused more than 20 times that are still good -A > and I've had about 2, out of some number that is probably a bit C > over 400, that have gone bad on their first use and a couple more $ > that have done so on the 2nd use). > G > If that doesn't work, then it is probably the drive. The drive's head L > may simply have hit the end of it's useful life - they do that eventually,# > especially if you clean it a lot.  > ; > You might also look at the error log to see what it says.  > 
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:09:01 -05005 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>  Subject: Boot Contest change* Message-ID: <avhlvh$fp2$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Dear Newsgroup,   J If you would like a second chance on the boot contest please visit the webL site.  You will notice that the contest will only allow January and February
 dates (hint).   L Also if you are outside of the US do it any way.  Legal requirements make usH limit the participation.  But we will take care of the winners no matter where they are from.  A http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_contest.html    Warm regards as always,    sue    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 17:54:10 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>   Subject: Re: Boot Contest change/ Message-ID: <avhok2$3sc$1@helle.btinternet.com>   I Has anyone in the (pretty snow-covered) London area had any success doing  this?   L And if your going for St Valentine's Day then you're a stupid romantic fool!  > Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:avhlvh$fp2$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > Dear Newsgroup,  > L > If you would like a second chance on the boot contest please visit the webE > site.  You will notice that the contest will only allow January and  February > dates (hint).  > K > Also if you are outside of the US do it any way.  Legal requirements make  usJ > limit the participation.  But we will take care of the winners no matter > where they are from. > C > http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_contest.html  >  > Warm regards as always,  >  > sue  >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:43:22 +0100 From: "stm" <stm@pt.lu>   Subject: Re: Boot Contest change% Message-ID: <3e1c7149$1_1@news.vo.lu>   8 As well impossible from (pretty snow covered) Luxembourg   Michel Strainchamps   > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message) news:avhok2$3sc$1@helle.btinternet.com... K > Has anyone in the (pretty snow-covered) London area had any success doing  > this?  > H > And if your going for St Valentine's Day then you're a stupid romantic fool!  > @ > Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message& > news:avhlvh$fp2$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > > Dear Newsgroup,  > > J > > If you would like a second chance on the boot contest please visit the web G > > site.  You will notice that the contest will only allow January and 
 > February > > dates (hint).  > > H > > Also if you are outside of the US do it any way.  Legal requirements make > usL > > limit the participation.  But we will take care of the winners no matter > > where they are from. > > E > > http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_contest.html  > >  > > Warm regards as always,  > >  > > sue  > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:51:31 -0800 ( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>  Subject: Re: Boot Contest change- Message-ID: <3E1C7333.647D3A0A@NelsonUSA.com>    Sue Skonetski wrote:  L > If you would like a second chance on the boot contest please visit the webN > site.  You will notice that the contest will only allow January and February > dates (hint).   C > http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_contest.html   ' When I clicked "Send", I got the error:   P "Unable to request URL from host onlinecgi03.compaq.com:80: Operation timed out"  8 Is my entry registered, or do I have to try again later?  A Besides that error, whoever designed the web page should be taken H out and "retrained".   If you print it (using Netscape 4.7 under Win98),! you get *FIVE* pages.   They are:   G 1.  Everything above the HP logo (the navigation bar and search field). "     The rest of the page is blank.  E 2.  The HP logo and "Alpha to Itanium-based systems" in the middle of .     the page.   The rest of the page is blank.  E 3.  Entirely blank page (except for URL, page number, and date/time).   " 4 and 5. The actual form and text.  C Everything could easily fit on two pages, but HP seems to be trying ) to run up the copy counter on my printer.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 10:09:10 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Camelot3 Message-ID: <IpxX4KR4jj$T@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <OFD4264153.95412912-ON85256CA7.00520448@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: >  > 9 > "While initial rumors had it that King Author placed it  > somewhere in England"  > E > I though it predated that Stephen King author by some centuries....   @    You know I can't spell and type at the same time.  Using a VT     emulator on a PC didn't help.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 17:41:02 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: Camelot' Message-ID: <3E1C549E.F466DC0E@aaa.com>   8 I once heard a secretary saying that she *NEVER* did any9 spelling errors, maybe some "TYPING" errors now and then,  but she sure could spell :-)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Bob Koehler wrote: > ` > In article <OFD4264153.95412912-ON85256CA7.00520448@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > >  > > ; > > "While initial rumors had it that King Author placed it  > > somewhere in England"  > > G > > I though it predated that Stephen King author by some centuries....  > B >    You know I can't spell and type at the same time.  Using a VT" >    emulator on a PC didn't help.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:47:52 -0800 & From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> Subject: Re: Camelot/ Message-ID: <v1olh98qvsqr3c@corp.supernews.com>    Paul Sture wrote: ` > In article <OFD4264153.95412912-ON85256CA7.00520448@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: >  >>9 >>"While initial rumors had it that King Author placed it  >>somewhere in England"  >> > D > Another legend concerning King Arthur has him located in Tintagel,+ > Cornwall (the SW tip of the UK mainland).  > 0 > http://www.tintagelweb.co.uk/King%20Arthur.htm > 7 > Follow the links from that site to loads more info...    It's only a model!   --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 17:25:12 +0100$ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at>; Subject: Re: Compaq's phenomonal stupidity in killing Alpha 0 Message-ID: <avhjd9$ae8$1@newsreader1.netway.at>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  wrote  >  > 9 > SETI@sun is currently the 1st placed SETI team in terms ; > of workunits processed. A position that it has held since ; > 1999. It it the first and only team to complete 1 million 
 > work units.   A So people do not find any decent stuff to be done by their SUNs ? = 'Well be bought them, lets at least run SETI@home on them' :)  Peter    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:49:18 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy ; Subject: Re: Compaq's phenomonal stupidity in killing Alpha . Message-ID: <3E1C568E.6020503@nospamn.sun.com>   Peter Flunger wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  > wrote  >  >>9 >>SETI@sun is currently the 1st placed SETI team in terms ; >>of workunits processed. A position that it has held since ; >>1999. It it the first and only team to complete 1 million 
 >>work units.  >  > C > So people do not find any decent stuff to be done by their SUNs ? ? > 'Well be bought them, lets at least run SETI@home on them' :)  > Peter  >   2 SETI@sun uses Sun's that are all on Sun's internal network or home based systems.  * There are no customer systems in SETI@sun.  . On the other hand your humour rather backfires/ when you realise that the largest supplier team - (users registered under a supplier and teams) , is HP with something like 2.5x the number of members as Sun's.   , If your suggestion is correct then there are( rather more people with HP boxes sitting! doing nothing than Sun's. :-) :-)    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 12:00:21 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ; Subject: Re: Compaq's phenomonal stupidity in killing Alpha 3 Message-ID: <$X0XsbjOKnfI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3E1C568E.6020503@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:   > 4 > SETI@sun uses Sun's that are all on Sun's internal  > network or home based systems. > , > There are no customer systems in SETI@sun. >   = 	Being number 1 at SETI must help counter-act the notion that ; 	Sun isn't a technical computing / HPC company.  Perhaps it " 	will help convince SGI otherwise:  2 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/28766.html  J Although IBM, who SGI sees as the main competitor in the market, has builtJ large clusters, only SGI can share memory across all the nodes. SGI issued? figures comparing the new system from IBM and HP. But not Sun?    K "We only included serious competitors in technical computing," said Estes.     Miaow.     				Rob    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:29:50 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> # Subject: Re: DCL puzzle of the week ; Message-ID: <01KQZM8ILDQQ9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   J > I've seen weird & wonderful errors following f$search (on V7.3): can getC > %rms-f-dme in unexpected places, if the directory size is near to # > PIOPAGES (default 575 pagelets).     It is   " LOG.DIR;1              15985/16074  I Do you think this is a 7.-3 specific problem?  The system in question is  C running 7.3 (with at least the "most important patches" installed).   > Does this bug have any other (perhaps potentially very nasty) 
 consequences?    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:36:12 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> # Subject: Re: DCL puzzle of the week ; Message-ID: <01KQZMD29JRC9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   @ > 1.  Have you checked what f$search(rpt_fspec) is returning ?      Good idea; will include a check.  A > 2.  Have you checked that the zeroes are coded as 0 and not O ?  > - > 3.  Ditto 1 and l  (one and lower case L) ?    Yes and yes.  I > 4.  Have you included a DIRECTORY command just before the delete to see  > what files are there ?  J Not practical just DIRECTORY (too many files); will add DIR '<symbolname>'  C > 5.  Is it possible that F$SEARCH is finding just one file but the I > context of the wildcard search is being retained and that the delete is G > actually looking forward from the one file that has been found ?  (It F > shouldn't happen but you can use F$SEARCH("SYS$LOGIN:*.*") to really* > ensure that the context has been reset.)  H I thought of this but it doesn't seem to be the case.  IF that were the B case, though, it would be a bug, right?  DELETE shouldn't use the  context from F$SEARCH?!    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:47:45 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> # Subject: Re: DCL puzzle of the week ; Message-ID: <01KQZMO3A7DQ9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > Is this an easily reproducible thing, or it just happens on days whereC > the alignment of the stars with planet Jupiter causes just enough I > gravitational pull on the electrons in your VMS machines to go funny ?    3 Current statistics: in 10 of 42(!) potential cases.   < > $    rpt_fspec = "DSA103:[PND01.RPT.CIXXX]*CI400_IDM*.*;*" > $ * > $    if ( f$search(rpt_fspec) .NES. "" ) > $    then = > $       delete /log DSA103:[PND01.RPT.CIXXX]*CI400_IDM*.*;*  >  > You could of course do:  >  > 		delete /log 'rpt_fspec > C > This way you'd be sure to have the exact same file specification.   F Sorry, I should have said that the above was not CODE, but rather the I output of a batch job with SET VERIFY.  The actual code does, of course,  / re-use the symbol for the reason you mentioned.   I > Since F$SEARCH is a lexical and DELETE is an image, I highly doubt that H > there would be any relationship between the widlcard search streams inG > F$SEARCH and DELETE since DELETE will provide its own RMS context for C > the wildcard searches and subsequent deletes. And if the two were H > releated, you'd have that behaviour everytime, not only once in a blue > moon.    Right.  F > This may sound silly, but it is possible that your job actually runsI > twice at the same time ? That might explain why sometimes, they'd be so E > close to each other that one would see the file while the other has  > already begun to delete it.   ? I'll have to check (this is a very small part of a much larger  ' application).  It is not inconceivable.   F > However, you need to provide a bit more information: -how many filesI > would you normally expect to be matched in that wildcard? Just the one, # > or many ? Or a variable number ?    C Variable, but just a couple in this case.  (The code in question is H common code which is called with a lot of different file-spec arguments;0 I've only seen the problem with THIS filespec.)   F > If you have multiple files and two jobs racing against each other toF > delete them, then each would run fine since they'd find at least oneJ > file to delete. But if there is only one file to delete, then the secondI > job might have time to see the file, but by the time the delete starts, 5 > the one remaining file is gone, hence the message.    B This seems to be an explanation which would be compatible with my G materialistic, non-vitalist world-view.  I'll try to see if it is true!   I > I think it would help greatly if you stored the result of F$SEARCH into I > a symbol and did a SHOW SYMBOL of it so your log file would give you an  > idea of the file name.      Will add this for test purposes.  D > If you only expect one file to be deleted, you may want to use theC > result of F$SEARCH as input to delete (eg: delete a specific file ? > instead of a wildcard). That might remove any questions about  > wildcarding in DELETE.    ( Normally, more than one file is deleted.  I > It would also help to understand what else is running on your system at 
 > that time.     Lots of things.   D > Are there any circumstances where the creation of a new file mightG > prevent the delete operation from scanning the directory for matching , > files and hence report a no-files-found ?   I This is conceivable.  However, should delete report no-files-found if it  C can't scan the directory?  Shouldn't it wait or give another error   message.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 03:39:25 -0800  From: ohm62@hotmail.com (OHM) # Subject: Re: DCL puzzle of the week = Message-ID: <9d337b47.0301080339.6b61f5f1@posting.google.com>   < > $    rpt_fspec = "DSA103:[PND01.RPT.CIXXX]*CI400_IDM*.*;*" > $ * > $    if ( f$search(rpt_fspec) .NES. "" ) > $    then = > $       delete /log DSA103:[PND01.RPT.CIXXX]*CI400_IDM*.*;* S > %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for DSA103:[PND01.RPT.CIXXX]*CI400_IDM*.*;*  > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found > $    endif >     9 As it is a wildcarded search, you might need a context...    Try   % if ( f$search(rpt_fspec,1) .NES. "" )   
 instead of  # if ( f$search(rpt_fspec) .NES. "" )    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:44:34 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> # Subject: Re: DCL puzzle of the week ; Message-ID: <01KQZQZAEY64A24IEW@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   ; > As it is a wildcarded search, you might need a context...   B This was actually my first suspicion, but since this is the first G F$SEARCH (with this argument), I don't see how that can be the problem.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:20:06 -00002 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam># Subject: Re: DCL puzzle of the week 4 Message-ID: <avh52i$l8l$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KQZM8ILDQQ9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... L > > I've seen weird & wonderful errors following f$search (on V7.3): can getE > > %rms-f-dme in unexpected places, if the directory size is near to $ > > PIOPAGES (default 575 pagelets). >  > It is  > $ > LOG.DIR;1              15985/16074  " That's excessive, by any standard.I It would be good to find some way to split that into multiple directories  somehow.= Or has it just got that way over time with lots of activity ?   J > Do you think this is a 7.-3 specific problem?  The system in question isE > running 7.3 (with at least the "most important patches" installed).  > ? > Does this bug have any other (perhaps potentially very nasty)  > consequences?   L The first error I saw was %DCL-E-CAPTINT (caused by exiting after an error).K Attempts to debug showed DIR running out of memory, as well as SHO PROC/QUO  when I put it in. K My contact at support saw it 'a couple of years ago' on SHO PROC/MEM (again  put in to diagnose).I I always saw either %rms-f-dme or a (potentially) consequential error, so # it's not exactly the same as yours. H I also saw problems on a directory near the PIOPAGES limit, but not on a directory significantly bigger. J You may well have a race condition. You could certainly alleviate it a lot by tidying the directory. L If there's a lot of files, consider splitting them into multiple directories if possible.? If there's not, and it's just a lot of holes, you could try dfu  dir/comp/trunc. D I searched for all directories over 500 blocks, and cleaned them up.J I don't know whether it's 7.3 specific, but earlier systems would have hadI severe problems with an 8Mb directory - doing anything at all to it would  take a very long time.   Chris    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:49:17 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> # Subject: Re: DCL puzzle of the week ; Message-ID: <01KQZV0LL62UA24IEW@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   & > > LOG.DIR;1              15985/16074 > $ > That's excessive, by any standard.  I Sorry, that's the size of the directory where the log file for the batch  E job is.  The directory where the puzzling behaviour occurs is just 1   block in size.  ? > Or has it just got that way over time with lots of activity ?   D It just has a lot of stuff in it, but it is maintained periodically.  % > it's not exactly the same as yours.    Right.  & > You may well have a race condition.    Yes...  B > You could certainly alleviate it a lot by tidying the directory.   ..but in a 1-block directory.   I I think I've found the answer now.  As I said, the code in question is a  E piece of common code called by several modules.  It seems that it is  F called nearly simultaneously by at least two and between the F$SEARCH D and the DELETE (less than 1/100 of a second), the other process has  deleted the file.   D Like the 17-NOV-1858 bug in SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNTING (try SPAWN SHOW E PROCESS/ACCOUNTING), I suppose that this is something which one only  H notices on a reasonably fast machine.  (Of course, it could be that the D other process is running on one of the other CPUs, so they could be < trying to access the same files at literally the same time.)      ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:39:08 -0600 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>1 Subject: Re: DS20 and CIPCA - firmware 6.3 issues 2 Message-ID: <avhgmr$n7i$2@newsreader.mailgate.org>  A On 7 Jan 2003 14:36:59 -0800, ewilts@ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) wrote:   G >Does anyone besides me have a DS20 with a CIPCA?  I know they're rare, - >so issues are a real bugger to troubleshoot.  > G >I've got a pair of DS20's running 6.1 firmware without issues.  When I @ >tried to upgrade one to 6.3, the system would hang within a few@ >minutes - sometimes during the mounts (from HSJ50-based disks),F >sometimes earlier, but always within a few minutes.  HP wants a crashB >dump and for me to test my other DS20 to see if it's got the sameG >issues, but I'm having difficulty getting the downtime to crash a pair 
 >of DS20s. > C >If anybody is successfully running a DS20, CIPCA and firmware 6.3?  >   H I'm running a pair of DS20E systems, each a with CIPCA-BX and running FW V6.3-1.    HNAZ$> @get_firmwareC Node Hardware Type                    Firmware PALCODE  VMS Version D ==== ================================ ======== ======== ============C HNAY COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 666 MHz V6.3-1   1.96-77  VMS  V7.3-1 C HNAZ COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 666 MHz V6.3-1   1.96-77  VMS  V7.3-1      >Thanks,
 >   .../Ed >mailto:ewilts@ewilts.org    Hope that helps....    Dave Harrold      N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold at aurora.orgI Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204 I                                            Pager:          (414) 941-4634 G Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999  3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:12:50 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>* Subject: Re: First Hammer performance test8 Message-ID: <98jn1v04bmf0qau2crhrd3mrfi56cos1lg@4ax.com>  E The january issue of CT has a followup on the previous article. It is  even more interesting.  E This time they compiled the benchmark programs using the SSE2 command 1 set (not available on the 'old' 32 bit AthlonXP).    The results are stunning.:" Hammer:  SPECint and SPECft : 1274$ Pentium: SPECint: 1085, SPECft: 1092   This is the link to the page: ! http://www.heise.de/ct/03/01/018/   A It is only available in German I'm afraid, however there is a gif 7 picture with the SPEC values on the bottom of the page.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:37:25 -0500* From: "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM>Y Subject: Re: FYI - CERT Advisory - Network device drivers reuse old frame buffer  data to * Message-ID: <avhk7t$ehb$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  J The VMS Lan Ethernet drivers either pad with zero's for the Lance and 3com 3C589B chipsF or rely on the device to pad the packet. A quick review of some of the Hardware specs show L that the HW vendors do the right thing for example the Intel 82558 and 82559 chips pad with 0X7E. L   Thanks for pointing out that HP doesn't have an entry listing in the Cert. I will follow up with 8  the HP CERT contacts and have them update our position.   - Leo  --
 Leo Demers  OpenVMS Security Product Manager Leo_dot_Demers_at_HP_dot_COM= "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3E1B4076.8A016BC5@vl.videotron.ca...  > John Smith wrote:  > > ) > > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/412115  > L > Well, Digital isn't listed in the list of vendors, so VMS must be safe :-) > J > Interestingly, Microsoft is listed as not vulnerable... Hard to believe. > J > Any comments from VMS engineers on this issue since they are responsible for  > the VMS ethernet drivers ? > L > For those who don't have time to read: the accusation is that some drivers doH > not pad ethernet packets smaller than 46 bytes with nulls, leaving any dataK > that was in the buffer before. As a result, sensitive data may be re-used  as* > padding when sent to other destinations. > H > In the list of vendors, only a few have a status other than "unknown".   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:15:52 +01003 From: "SAP trainee" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> 2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail4 Message-ID: <3e1bcfb9$0$11389$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  ; VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> a crit dans le message de news: % 00A199E9.1F953108@SendSpamHere.ORG...  > Subject says it all. > K > I've brought up the news/mail window of Mozilla but there is nothing that I > looks like it did under Netscape.  How would I view messages of a news- I > group?  I've defined the server and (I think) subscribed to a newsgroup K > but Mozilla just sits there and eats CPU cycles.  There doesn't appear to K > be any traffic on the port (119) when this is occurring.  I've let it run J > to yhe point where it has accrued over an hour of CPU time and still no- > thing in the display.   J I'm surprized. I use it since a few months without any trouble. What exact version of MOZ do you have?   I And are u using the same news provider? No need for a username/pwd login?l   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:24:56 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>a2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail, Message-ID: <3E1C0A58.8070801@theblakes.com>  H It can take a while to fetch the list of newsgroups if you're on a slow F link, but it shouldn't consume an hour of CPU time. Please file a bug  report on bugzilla.mozilla.org.   G And if you're really using Mozilla 1.0, you might want to upgrade to a eI more recent version first. 1.2.1 is the latest released version, and 1.3 S alpha is also available.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:10:46 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail0 Message-ID: <00A19A75.E8DCACCC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <3e1bcfb9$0$11389$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, "SAP trainee" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:< >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> a crit dans le message de news:& >00A199E9.1F953108@SendSpamHere.ORG... >> Subject says it all.e >>L >> I've brought up the news/mail window of Mozilla but there is nothing thatJ >> looks like it did under Netscape.  How would I view messages of a news-J >> group?  I've defined the server and (I think) subscribed to a newsgroupL >> but Mozilla just sits there and eats CPU cycles.  There doesn't appear toL >> be any traffic on the port (119) when this is occurring.  I've let it runK >> to yhe point where it has accrued over an hour of CPU time and still no-  >> thing in the display. > K >I'm surprized. I use it since a few months without any trouble. What exactx >version of MOZ do you have?  G Whatever version is currently available for download from the VMS site.g    J >And are u using the same news provider? No need for a username/pwd login?  4 Same news provider.  I need no username or password. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMm            s5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" D   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:13:13 GMTD" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail0 Message-ID: <00A19A76.407EAC37@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <3E1C0A58.8070801@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:I >It can take a while to fetch the list of newsgroups if you're on a slow .G >link, but it shouldn't consume an hour of CPU time. Please file a bug w  >report on bugzilla.mozilla.org.  J .... but there's no network activity.  So I doubt it's a download of news-J groups issue.  Also, this is a T1 link.  Not the fastest but certainly not slow.     H >And if you're really using Mozilla 1.0, you might want to upgrade to a J >more recent version first. 1.2.1 is the latest released version, and 1.3  >alpha is also available.-  . Whatever is being distributed on the VMS site. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" S   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:33:12 -0500h< From: "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp>2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail- Message-ID: <WEWS9.27$Pw.15@news.cpqcorp.net>m   VAXman- wrote:X > In article <3E1C0A58.8070801@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes: > J >>It can take a while to fetch the list of newsgroups if you're on a slow H >>link, but it shouldn't consume an hour of CPU time. Please file a bug ! >>report on bugzilla.mozilla.org.A  > I think that this is one that I already filed a bug report on.  / I do not have the bug number handy here though.c  L > .... but there's no network activity.  So I doubt it's a download of news-L > groups issue.  Also, this is a T1 link.  Not the fastest but certainly not > slow.   D If this is what I think it is, another part of Mozilla is trying to K contact a non-accessable I.P. address, and this is blocking the newsreader.y  H Check to see if Mozilla is trying to check messages from a POP3 or IMAP E mail server that is not accessable, such as one for a munged address.e# This will be under server settings.   5 This tends to block Mozilla from doing anything else.T  I >>And if you're really using Mozilla 1.0, you might want to upgrade to a uK >>more recent version first. 1.2.1 is the latest released version, and 1.3   >>alpha is also available. > 0 > Whatever is being distributed on the VMS site.  D Both versions above are being distributed at the site.  The HELP -> / About Mozilla will give the exact build string:    Mozilla 1.1o  E Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS AlphaServer_1000A_5/400; en-US; rv:1.1) a Gecko/20020828   -Johnn! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hpn Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:42:32 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail0 Message-ID: <00A19A8B.1C4DADAF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <WEWS9.27$Pw.15@news.cpqcorp.net>, "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> writes: >VAXman- wrote:eY >> In article <3E1C0A58.8070801@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:P >> kK >>>It can take a while to fetch the list of newsgroups if you're on a slow oI >>>link, but it shouldn't consume an hour of CPU time. Please file a bug  " >>>report on bugzilla.mozilla.org. > ? >I think that this is one that I already filed a bug report on.- >-0 >I do not have the bug number handy here though. >:M >> .... but there's no network activity.  So I doubt it's a download of news-mM >> groups issue.  Also, this is a T1 link.  Not the fastest but certainly nott >> slow. >aE >If this is what I think it is, another part of Mozilla is trying to dL >contact a non-accessable I.P. address, and this is blocking the newsreader. >.I >Check to see if Mozilla is trying to check messages from a POP3 or IMAP .F >mail server that is not accessable, such as one for a munged address.$ >This will be under server settings.  F The *ONLY* server setting I find is under [Edit].  There's a menu itemF "Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings..."  CLicking on this takes me to a window with:   [-] news server    |a   + Server Settingsr   |s   + Copies & Folders   |    + Addressing   |    + Offline & Disk Space  H If I select Server Settings, I get a window asking about the news server> (which is correctly filled in) but nothing about Mail servers.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM?            M5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 19:07:04 +0100w4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail& Message-ID: <3E1C68C8.7050104@Free.fr>   VAXman- wrote: > I > Whatever version is currently available for download from the VMS site.   0 You mean "from the mozilla.org site", I suppose?  G  From the VMS site (HP?) you'll get CSWB, which is a few versions late  / from the latest MOZ release (but works anyway).h   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 19:08:50 +0100o4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail& Message-ID: <3E1C6932.9000509@Free.fr>   John E. Malmberg wrote:u   ../..  > -John # > malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hpy$                    =================	 I like it  D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:35:36 -0400e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail/ Message-ID: <3E1C6166.D91394BD@vl.videotron.ca>t  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: H > The *ONLY* server setting I find is under [Edit].  There's a menu itemH > "Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings..."  CLicking on this takes me to a > window with:  L There is also the "subscribe" page/dialogue that is available from FILE whenK in the newsgroups. (At least on netscape). That is the one that will go out-I and pull out the list of all available newsgroups from the remote server.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:39:08 -0600 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>F Subject: Re: HSG-80 firmware, version 8.7-1F... anybody installed yet?2 Message-ID: <avhgmr$n7i$1@newsreader.mailgate.org>  ; On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:55:20 -0500, koskaj@bender.com wrote:r  M >I was wondering if anyone out there has installed/upgraded to HSG-80 8.7-1F e7 >firmware, and if there have been any issues with such.  >   N If you are like me, I only got the cards, no docs/release notes/etc.  I loggedH a call and asked where the upgrade info was and I was told that the docsI aren't ready yet and they don't know why the cards shipped with the docs.0  M I was also told that the documentation was required to correctly install thiso release.  + So, I would wait a while before installing.c   Dave Harrold      N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold at aurora.orgI Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204eI                                            Pager:          (414) 941-4634cG Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999  3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:16:01 -0500 From: koskaj@bender.commF Subject: Re: HSG-80 firmware, version 8.7-1F... anybody installed yet?: Message-ID: <03010811160145.ca5.4822417@alaxp3.bender.com>  I >From:	SMTP%"DHarrold@wi.rr.com"  "David Harrold"  8-JAN-2003 10:35:00.04a >To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >CC:	-D >Subj:	Re: HSG-80 firmware, version 8.7-1F... anybody installed yet? > < >On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:55:20 -0500, koskaj@bender.com wrote: > N >>I was wondering if anyone out there has installed/upgraded to HSG-80 8.7-1F 8 >>firmware, and if there have been any issues with such. >> s >nO >If you are like me, I only got the cards, no docs/release notes/etc.  I loggednI >a call and asked where the upgrade info was and I was told that the docssJ >aren't ready yet and they don't know why the cards shipped with the docs.  K Hmm.. I got 3 shipments.  The first 2 had very cursory install letter with aO Windows 2000 hosts.  Letter AV-RTCDA-TE of August 2002.  The last shipment had uL similar install letter for Windows 2000 hosts, except a bit more detailed.  " Letter AV-RTCDB-TE of August 2002.  M I guess there is suppose to be OpenVMS install letter from what you indicate.   N >I was also told that the documentation was required to correctly install this	 >release.c  < I'm glad I asked.  Very glad.  Guess I will stay tuned here.  , >So, I would wait a while before installing.  P Do you have service call open on this issue?  If not, how will you/we know when 6 there is an OpenVMS install letter/instructions ready?  
 >Dave Harrold- >  >a > O >..............................................................................cO >David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold at aurora.org J >Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204J >                                           Pager:          (414) 941-4634H >Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999 >3031 W. Montana Streets >Milwaukee, WI 53215   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. A Member of LexisNexis Group   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:09:12 GMT, From: Frank Troth <Frank.E.Troth@boeing.com>1 Subject: Re: initialize/erase does no useful work * Message-ID: <3E1C4D28.156580A1@boeing.com>  * I'll check on the writeback cache, thanks.   Dane Maslen wrote: > @ > Frank Troth wrote in message <3E024E47.2CA854F0@boeing.com>...H > >At HP's suggestion we attempted an initialize/erase of a 4 18-GB diskI > >RAID5 raid set on a dual HSZ50 controllers scsi'ed from an Alpha 8400,a > 	 >  [snip] D > >restored the 52GB image backup to the disk (which too 16 hours inI > >itself, another mystery in HP's lap right now -- the backup image saveo- > >took only 3 hours, to a tz89 with DLT4's).h > H > Do you have writeback cache?  If not, I'm not surprised that a restore) > should take so much longer than a save.r > L > I have a vague recollection (it's several years since I did anything alongF > these lines, so I'm not entirely convinced that this recollection isN > correct) that tinkering with some settings on the RAID5 set can speed up theM > restore (my vague recollections also suggest to me that there are potential 6 > data integrity issues that can arise from doing so). > 
 > Dane Maslen    ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:22:09 GMT, From: Frank Troth <Frank.E.Troth@boeing.com>1 Subject: Re: initialize/erase does no useful work0* Message-ID: <3E1C5031.87B0BB0F@boeing.com>  * I'll check on the writeback cache, thanks.   Dane Maslen wrote: > @ > Frank Troth wrote in message <3E024E47.2CA854F0@boeing.com>...H > >At HP's suggestion we attempted an initialize/erase of a 4 18-GB diskI > >RAID5 raid set on a dual HSZ50 controllers scsi'ed from an Alpha 8400,n > 	 >  [snip]6D > >restored the 52GB image backup to the disk (which too 16 hours inI > >itself, another mystery in HP's lap right now -- the backup image saved- > >took only 3 hours, to a tz89 with DLT4's).h > H > Do you have writeback cache?  If not, I'm not surprised that a restore) > should take so much longer than a save.m > L > I have a vague recollection (it's several years since I did anything alongF > these lines, so I'm not entirely convinced that this recollection isN > correct) that tinkering with some settings on the RAID5 set can speed up theM > restore (my vague recollections also suggest to me that there are potential46 > data integrity issues that can arise from doing so). > 
 > Dane Maslenr   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 08:29:58 -0800 $ From: bdhobbs18@acm.org (Bill Hobbs)' Subject: Re: is VMS really easy to use?a= Message-ID: <74ca5032.0301080829.2879d8d4@posting.google.com>w  i bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<aul0gv$83g4p$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>...!V > In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660C58@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>,, > 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:	 > > Bill,  > > K > >>>> If an unused machine with nothing running but the login screen savergB > > runs out of virtual memory, what would you attribute it to?<<< > > L > > Well, to be fair .. Lots of other W2K systems run for longer than a week > > without this problem.=20 > > K > > The issue is likely an older version of W2K not up to latest patches or9J > > some background ISV/home grown application or piece of code acting up. > > Latest version is W2K SP3. > D > Win2K SP3.  These are lab machines, regularly reloaded using ghostD > and with no "home grown application or pieces of code".  And, whenD > no one is logged on, there is nothing running that isn't a part of > Win2K.  > Maybe this Tourbus article will help you diagnose the problem:= http://listserv.aol.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0301B&L=tourbus&P=R2r, MS Win 2000 is mentioned in the second half.  8 Since that link may expire, here are the important bits.   MS Windows 98, 98SE, ME, and XPd&   http://www.netsquirrel.com/msconfig/=   http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_pages/startup_full.htmi   MS Windows 95, NT, and 2000    Startup Control Panel (     http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml/   Windows XP version of MSCONFIG for NT or 2000u.     http://www.thetechguide.com/downloads.html   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 18:13:13 +0100$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>0 Subject: Re: Logical name security: sanity check* Message-ID: <00A19ACA.127A588F.7@decus.de>  3 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:s   > Michael Unger wrote:E > > Users with a UIC group less than or equal to the (dynamic) SYSGENs > > parameter MAXSYSGROUP? >rO > But don't those users just get the equivalent of SYSPRV ? Or do they get muchS% > much more than they bargained for ?i  ? According to the "OpenVMS System Management Utilities Reference E Manual" (V 7.3, L-M part, Appendix C.2, "Parameter Descriptions") ...a  
 <start quote>u  C MAXSYSGROUP sets the highest value that a group number can have ande? still be classified as a system UIC group number. Note that thea= specification is not in octal unless preceded by the %O radixh; indicator. This parameter is normally left at 8 (10 octal)..   <end quote>r  C According to the "OpenVMS Guide to System Security" (V 7.3, Sectionh) 4.5.1, "Format of a Protection Code") ...t  
 <start quote>u  
 user categoryy  C User categories include system (S), owner (O), group (G), and worldi= (W). Each category can be abbreviated to its first character.a* Categories have the following definitions:  D * System: Members of this category can include any of the following:C - Users with low group numbers, usually from 1 to 10 (octal). These?9 group numbers are generally for system managers, securitymB administrators, and system programmers. (The exact range of system@ group numbers is determined by the security administrator in theD setting of the system parameter MAXSYSGROUP. It can range as high as 37776 (octal).)w" - Users with the SYSPRV privilege.A - Users with the GRPPRV privilege whose UIC group matches the UICo group of the object's owner.? - In access requests to files on a disk volume, users whose UICi& matches the UIC of the volume's owner.   <end quote>   B So I have to assume your statement is correct. It is just a system( privilege with SYSPRV being "invisible".  H > > Users which claim to be modest and ask only for the single privilege > > SETPRV?t > J > But SETPRV in itself doesn't give access to any "objects" on the system, > correct ?- >-P > If I have SETPRV as active privilege for my process, I still can't access thatK > logical in a protected table, correct ? (I woudl have to enable SYSPRV ors > BYPASS to gain access...)y  E Correct. Users having "only" the SETPRV privilege need to do a "$ SETp% PROCESS /PRIVILEGE=whatever" command.    Michaelh   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:25:45 -0500 ' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com>a0 Subject: Re: Logical name security: sanity check> Message-ID: <r3_S9.245$Z74.1145@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>   Shane Smith wrote:H > I don't see an obvious bug in your protection of the logical, but I doG > see an obvious bug in the concept. If the file is plain text, it mustoJ > have at least the same security applied to it and if possible I'd have aH > lookup program so it could be stored in encrypted form. You can't relyG > on people not knowing where the file is, someone will talk or someoneuG > will work it out. Assume from day one that there are malicious peoples > who know where it is.h >w  F Also, if this file of clear text is going to be stored on one cluster H member and shared across the cluster, then very likely reading the file I contents from a cluster member will expose the clear text on the wire at d( least on the same segment if unswitched.   Chrise -----  Chris Olive0 Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporationn Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec AT indy DOT raytheon DOT com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 09:00:47 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: New Marvel machines? New news?s3 Message-ID: <R3bUMDXkxE$5@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  ^ In article <3E14B1BB.D664332@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:D > The last I heard, HP was supposed to announce the new EV7 (Marvel) > machines this month. >  >  > Any new information? Gossip?  J A VMS ECO has just been released for use by those who have EV7 systems :-)  = http://eisner.decus.org/DECUServe/DECnotes/VMS/2841.1773.HTMLt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:37:37 +0100c4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>  Subject: old SAP topic recovery?& Message-ID: <3E1C0D81.8060705@Free.fr>  F I posted a few questions to the Group on SAP in here a few months ago F which produced a couple of replies that I wish to reread. What is the < way to acces this group's achives, please? I never did this.   Thanks,o   D. 2nd SAP training day :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:42:14 GMT 7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)t$ Subject: Re: old SAP topic recovery?/ Message-ID: <G0VS9.607434$WL3.186136@rwcrnsc54>   ] In article <3E1C0D81.8060705@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes: G >I posted a few questions to the Group on SAP in here a few months ago  G >which produced a couple of replies that I wish to reread. What is the e= >way to acces this group's achives, please? I never did this.e  
 Hi Didier,  7 Try GOOGLE, using the "advanced groups search feature":r  . http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search  # fill in the blanks, and off you go!    >n >Thanks, >s >D.e >2nd SAP training day :-)i >s  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"d   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 17:40:05 +0100. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>$ Subject: Re: old SAP topic recovery?< Message-ID: <3e1c53b8$0$83827$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>  ? Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message   news:3E1C0D81.8060705@Free.fr...G > I posted a few questions to the Group on SAP in here a few months ago G > which produced a couple of replies that I wish to reread. What is the > > way to acces this group's achives, please? I never did this. >y   Simplest is probably  7 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=comp.os.vmso   Best regards Jesper Naure   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:24:19 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>= Subject: Re: OpenVMS BACKUP --> Restore in Windows NT / Linux @ Message-ID: <20030108112419.42319.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>   So  ( The best choice is to use a VMS TAR !!!!= Do you remember where can I download it ? For VAX and Alpha !i   Regards    FC hE --- "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.spamfree.net> wrote:n > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > 
 > > Dear Sirs  > >  > > Happy new year ! > > 6 > > Is there a way to restore OpenVMS backup save sets9 > > in Windows NT or Linux ??? Any product ? Freeweare ori > > commercial ? > G > The concept is of limited or no value unless the file is some form of0G > stream format or fixed record length. Remember: no RMS on WhineBloze.f > 9 > > Or just coping to a tape (using $ COPY) and restoringo
 > > in a PC ?  > E > Same problem, plus WhineBloze does not natively provide support for . > tape, period, much less ANSI-labelled tapes. >  > -- e > David J. Dachtera0 > dba DJE SystemsI > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/      =====u ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazils fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?5 Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.i http://mailplus.yahoo.comu   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 07:34:45 -0800 + From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)m& Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits< Message-ID: <e565ed03.0301080734.1cee47d@posting.google.com>  ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.spamfree.net> wrote in message news:<3E1B8D12.ADE256DA@earthlink.spamfree.net>...F > That may be confusing - the available OpenVMS-Alpha distribution forI > hobbyists is V7.2 plus selected layered products to fill up a CD image.sE > However, as Robert noted: if you can get the V7.3 distribution fromEE > work, a friend, etc., you certainly can install and run it with theL9 > hobbyist license. Likewise, the layered products (SPL).o  B 	The OpenVMS Alpha Hobbyist Kit is in the works, and will be basedF on OpenVMS V7.3-1 (which should already have the discussed ECO's).  ItH looks like it's going to be a 2 CD set, since OpenVMS Engineering really, packed the base O/S disk with stuff already.   - David L. Catheys   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 07:38:58 -0800 + From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)v& Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kits= Message-ID: <e565ed03.0301080738.7ecc72a4@posting.google.com>t  ] "Douglas H. Quebbeman" <dougq@iglou.com> wrote in message news:<3e1b2fe5_1@news.iglou.com>... D > Which works well for those already members of DECUS and Encompass,B > but for those of us who have been trying to join Encompass sinceB > Chritsmas, and who are still waiting for a membership number, it > doesn't work so well...a > @ > But you're not Encompass, I understand that... just venting...  8 	Call them at 877-354-9887 and find out what's taking so@ long.  Generally, Encompass is pretty good at getting me updates weekly.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 07:36:29 +0100t From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>G Subject: Re: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real worldy8 Message-ID: <1lhn1vk7jjn3sftg5ctpigl8975hc2p5c2@4ax.com>  A On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:43:55 -0800, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>s wrote:  F >You may need to get this one quickly, it's a cached copy of somethingG >pulled from the original website. Pic of the box (very thin), lid off,w >and some specs. >cI >http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:B0xCendRLhIC:www.polywell.com/us/rat  E The links on that page still work ! So you can retreive the pdf files  etc. -   >- >Article here in the Inq well: >0) >http://www.theinquirer.org/?article=7073l > E >It's debuting at a low clock speed (1.4ghz), so it's no speed demon.fG >Still, it's one step closer to hitting the streets. I still want a VMS  >port to it. >  >Shane	    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:14:24 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>G Subject: RE: OT (sadly) Opteron servers preparing to hit the real world 0 Message-ID: <01C2B6F6.60C7C4B0@sulfer.icius.com>   Larry Killgallen wrote: B >In article <3E1B80DE.573C9817@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin% ><maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:n >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> N >>> You know, perhaps Intel (through its subsidiary/slave HP) might be able toJ >>> kill the Hammer party if it were to unveil very publicly the Alpha EV7 benchmarks.  >>> F >>> It wouldn't really harm IA64 since it is already considered a slowI >>> chip/failure, but it would soil the new kid on the block (Hammer) anda remove a! >>> lot of steam from its launch.d >> eK >> Sadly, it would only remove the steam if you could run Wxx on it.  WhilecG >> EV7 will run circles around it's closest competitor, if it won't runAH >> Windows then the only ones that will care are research and governmentH >> environments where they can simulate an atomic explosion in near real
 >> time... >tA >An ordinary desktop user does not need something as fast as EV7.y  B I'd disagree; remember, this is Windows standard code, not VMS. MSH Office is a hog, for example. Have you ever had Motherboard Monitor showH you the CPU usage while Access or Project is running? I've seen both maxG out an Athlon 2100+ while doing practically nothing. I have the PC guystB come over to my machine (which I've, ahem, modified) to run simple- reports because their machines take too long.   G Then there's the weenie-waving aspect. Back at previous companies, I'velD seen bosses competing to get themselves the fastest machine, just so> they'll have something better than the guy in the next office.  D Hey, anything that sells boxes, right? I just wish DEC^J Compaq^J HP understood that.   Shaner   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:12:46 +0000 (UTC). From: "Sanface Software" <sanface@sanface.com> Subject: PLUG: txt2pdf 6.3H Message-ID: <9cd6d3e984bd465b2c2f705dd4042d35.93245@mygate.mailgate.org>  / We would like to announce txt2pdf 6.3 version. 3# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html E txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 scriptiH that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in every8 operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS.; It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc. ) Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PROr- http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdf & http://www.sanface.com/pdf/invoice.pdf$ http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdf.@ If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux,G Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version is Visual  txt2pdf, a VB GUI.   What's new in this version   Korean font support  Updated FAQ    Test txt2pdf 6.3! 6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html     --  8 Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:54:18 +0300a2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>Y Subject: Re: Q: How to change the "compaq" logo on the VAXstation desktop to   "digital"?c) Message-ID: <3E1C2D8A.1628C1@digital.com>s   labadie wrote: >  > Christian Karg wrote:e > G > > I just got my VAXstation 4000/90A booted up under OpenVMS 7.3 usinggI > > the LCSPX internal graphics adapter. For nostalgia, I want to replaceXH > > the startup logo of "compaq" with a "digital" logo. Does anyone knowJ > > how to do this? Does anyone have the "digital" logo in the appropriate > > file format? > >0 > > Best Regards,a
 > > Christianm >  > Hello, > H > If memory serves me, before starting decwindows, you should define the$ > logical name decw$login_backgroundL > - if the translation of this  logical is "false", you do not have any logo > G > - if the translation is sys$manager:logo.com (for example), then thisr > procedure is executed.K > You can do a XV of your preferred Gif file inside this command procedure. % > (xv -max -quit -root astronaut.gif) H > I think there is a logo.c program displaying Ferrari or something like$ > that, but I do not remember where. > 	 > Regards  >  > Grard     $ty   sys$manager:logo.com9 $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=LOCAL/NODE=<nodename>/USERu $ XV:==$"SYS$MANAGER:XV.EXE"A $ XV  -VIEWONLY -GEOMETRY 250X250+525+75 SYS$MANAGER:VMS-LOGO.GIFt $n      t
 works for me.p7 As it happens sys$manager:VMS-LOGO.GIF shows a shark...u   On a related note:C could not get the new XV to compile - blew up looking for X11\Xos.heE Has anyone done this? (VAX OpenVMS 6.2, DW 1.2-4, Compaq C V6.4-005) w --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.e? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*vF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 07:40:39 -0800u. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)- Subject: Re: Question on day of month symbolst= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301080740.3db2931b@posting.google.com>s  k Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message news:<3E1B7C6D.4414B940@firstdbasource.com>...> > Oscar Lerma wrote: > > 
 > > Hello, > > P > > I am working on a DCL COM file that will need to retrieve the first and last2 > > date of the previous month.  For example sinceL > > today is 7-Jan-2003 I would need to retrieve 1-Dec-2002 and 31-Dec-2002." > > Any help would be appreciated. > >  > > thanks,b	 > > Oscars >  > or...  > P > $lastday=f$cvt("today-''f$integer(f$cvt("TODAY",,"DAY"))'-","ABSOLUTE","DATE")   > $mth =L > "-"+f$cvt(lastday,"absolute","month")+"-"+f$cvt(lastday,"absolute","year")0 > $firstday = f$cvt("1''mth'","ABSOLUTE","DATE") > $ write sys$output lastday > $ write sys$output firstdaye >  > produces: 
 > 31-DEC-2002t > 1-DEC-2002  A Alternatively, you could calculate firstday by just repeating thenF method used in line 1: Extract the "DAY", subtract one from that, then% subtract that many days from lastday:   D $ lastday=f$cvt("today-''f$cvt("TODAY",,"DAY")'-","ABSOLUTE","DATE")# $ diff = f$cvtime(lastday,,"day")-11< $ firstday=f$cvtime(lastday+"-''diff'-00","absolute","date") $ write sys$output lastday $ write sys$output firstdays   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:50:00 +0100 (MET)g9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 4 Subject: Re: Question on RDB Server under VMS v7.2-1; Message-ID: <01KQZR612FDE9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-  E > In the book, RDB A Comprehensive Guide, by Lilian Hobbs, Ian Smith,mH > and Ken England, 3rd Edition, c1999, page 163, Section 5.4.7 Row Cache# > describes the process in detail.    ! Good suggestion---excellent book!c  & > This books covers V7 and is based on3 > V8. It is a good resource. I highly recommend it.O  I I think the story is that at the time the book was written, it described  I what was to be known as Rdb 8.  However, this software version was later z renamed Rdb 7.1.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:16:47 +0200% From: Gabriel Sterk <Gabi@aipm.co.il> 4 Subject: Re: Question on RDB Server under VMS v7.2-1< Message-ID: <A03E427CB023D511A6F900508B44ED0D01E4B358@HDEX1>  7 I think you can get very useful info. on this and other 6 RDB subjects from the RDB N.G. after subscribing. See:/ http://www.jcc.com/jccs_oracle_list_servers.htmo   Regards,
 Gabriel Sterk.   -----Original Message-----0 From: Andrew Robert [mailto:arobert@townisp.com]' Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:02 PMv To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi0 Subject: Question on RDB Server under VMS v7.2-1   Hi Everyone,  G According to the notes described at web page below, row read caching is L available from RDB v 7.0.1 and read/write caching is available from 7.0.1.5.  L http://otn.oracle.com/products/rdb/htdocs/rdb7/enhancing_application_perf_ro wcache.htmla  D Has anyone implemented this? If so, did you experience any gotcha's?+ Does it collide with the settings for VIOC?m5 Do these options require AIJ journaling to implement?/A I am running at high enough a version to implement either option.e= Any feedback anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated..  
 Thank you,
 Andrew Robertw   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 07:22:53 -0600t- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)sO Subject: RDB A Comprehensive Guide (was: Question on RDB Server under VMS v...)c3 Message-ID: <F$AP2KdXEcXN@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  w In article <01KQZR612FDE9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:uF >> In the book, RDB A Comprehensive Guide, by Lilian Hobbs, Ian Smith,I >> and Ken England, 3rd Edition, c1999, page 163, Section 5.4.7 Row Cache $ >> describes the process in detail.  > # > Good suggestion---excellent book!r   So does anybody have an ISBN ?2 Amazon.com only lists the first edition from 1995.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:58:08 +0100 (MET)09 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>lS Subject: Re: RDB A Comprehensive Guide (was: Question on RDB Server under VMS v...) ; Message-ID: <01KQZVHI3518A24IEW@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  % > > Good suggestion---excellent book!l >   > So does anybody have an ISBN ?4 > Amazon.com only lists the first edition from 1995.  ( Lilian Hobbs, Ian Smith and Ken England:   Rdbt A Comprehensive Guide   
 Third Edition   ; Butterworth-Heinemann (A member of the Reed Elsevier Group)    1999    ISBN 1-55558-186-2 (alk. paper)    paperback, 465 pages  I It appears to be from "Digital Press", which I believe is now an imprint   of Butterworth-Heinemann.w  H 465 pages is no slim volume, but still compact relative to the full Rdb C documentaion (which I guess is about 10 times the size).  Like the lA User's Manual and System Manager's manual, it's good for a brief sA overview of the basic concepts, written by Folks Who Should Know.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 17:33:27 +0100h9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>eY Subject: Re: RDB A Comprehensive Guide (was: Question on RDB Server under VMS v...) v...)y& Message-ID: <3E1C52D7.49C03FB@aaa.com>   ISBN 1-55558-186-2   Jan-Erik Sderholm.2   Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  >   > So does anybody have an ISBN ?4 > Amazon.com only lists the first edition from 1995.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 17:33:53 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>lY Subject: Re: RDB A Comprehensive Guide (was: Question on RDB Server under VMS v...) v...)2' Message-ID: <3E1C52F1.FED83C4B@aaa.com>o   ISBN 1-55558-186-2   Jan-Erik Sderholm.-     Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  >   > So does anybody have an ISBN ?4 > Amazon.com only lists the first edition from 1995.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 07:20:00 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)/ Subject: Re: Recovering SYSTEM password when...>L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0801030720000001@user-2ive20n.dialup.mindspring.com>  J In article <3E1B8FC8.10353FF6@earthlink.spamfree.net>, "David J. Dachtera"- <djesys.nospam@earthlink.spamfree.net> wrote:    >Robert Deininger wrote: >>  M >> In article <3E1B8631.46B640CC@earthlink.spamfree.net>, "David J. Dachtera" 0 >> <djesys.nospam@earthlink.spamfree.net> wrote: >> r# >> >briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:g >> >> [snip]- >> >> The boot environment for VMS isn't VMS.k >> >L >> >Not sure what you mean by "The boot environment for VMS". When I boot upC >> >a CD on the Alpha, the first thing I get is the OpenVMS banner.i >> tI >> Quite a lot happens before you get that VMS banner.  The early part iss* >> done by the firmware, which is NOT VMS. >wG >So, you're talking about SRM before it loads and hands off to the boot  >block code?  J Not sure what the first poster was referring to, but yes, the SRM prepares< the HW environment and passes quite a bit of info to the OS.  G Then VMS does quite a bit of work before the first banner shows up.  TotH get an idea, boot an alpha with the 10000 and 20000 bits set in the bootF flags.  (Make sure you have lots of paper in your console printer. :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 07:04:52 -0600, From: briggs@encompasserve.org/ Subject: Re: Recovering SYSTEM password when...n3 Message-ID: <s6tBT1M0ctl6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   y In article <3E1B8631.46B640CC@earthlink.spamfree.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.spamfree.net> writes:t! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:-	 >> [snip] * >> The boot environment for VMS isn't VMS. > J > Not sure what you mean by "The boot environment for VMS". When I boot upA > a CD on the Alpha, the first thing I get is the OpenVMS banner.r  @ The dead soldier or equivalent console prompt.  I'm not aware of/ any VMS system that uses VMS as a boot manager.g   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 07:26:35 -0600n- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s/ Subject: Re: Recovering SYSTEM password when...-3 Message-ID: <LbHUG78fjV0Q@eisner.encompasserve.org>i   In article <rdeininger-0801030720000001@user-2ive20n.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:>L > In article <3E1B8FC8.10353FF6@earthlink.spamfree.net>, "David J. Dachtera"/ > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.spamfree.net> wrote:  >  >>Robert Deininger wrote:- >>> N >>> In article <3E1B8631.46B640CC@earthlink.spamfree.net>, "David J. Dachtera"1 >>> <djesys.nospam@earthlink.spamfree.net> wrote:l >>> $ >>> >briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:
 >>> >> [snip]e. >>> >> The boot environment for VMS isn't VMS. >>> > M >>> >Not sure what you mean by "The boot environment for VMS". When I boot upeD >>> >a CD on the Alpha, the first thing I get is the OpenVMS banner. >>> J >>> Quite a lot happens before you get that VMS banner.  The early part is+ >>> done by the firmware, which is NOT VMS.e >>H >>So, you're talking about SRM before it loads and hands off to the boot
 >>block code?t > L > Not sure what the first poster was referring to, but yes, the SRM prepares> > the HW environment and passes quite a bit of info to the OS. > I > Then VMS does quite a bit of work before the first banner shows up.  TohJ > get an idea, boot an alpha with the 10000 and 20000 bits set in the bootH > flags.  (Make sure you have lots of paper in your console printer. :-)  D I think [this part of} the discussion originated with considerationsB regarding large disks on older ROM machines.  Thus the demarcationA point of interest is the start of VMB (since it was a VAX issue).a  B The question is not whether or not the primitive file system is inC use, but whether _whatever_ "file system" is in use can be modifiedt by a VMS software release.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:27:31 -0500. From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" <dougq@iglou.com>% Subject: Seeking Lost Digital Web Art.) Message-ID: <3e1c3554$1_3@news.iglou.com>   0 Like I suppose many people do, sometimes, when I/ save a web page, I want all the little graphics  saved as part of it.  1 I'm missing some web art that DEC used to use for  some of the Alpha pages:       alphaoem/pics/headalpha.gif !     alphaoem/pics/alphabanner.gif(     alphaoem/pics/new.gift$     semiconductor/pics/alphahome.jpg*     semiconductor/pics/alpha-megaphone.gif  / I managed to find the Digital logo art, but the 0 Alpha-specific stuff must never have been cached
 (in my PC)...    tia, -doug quebbeman1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 07:54:36 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>$ Subject: Re: SMTP mail: SFF facility8 Message-ID: <lein1vkpsh1a363vtnjuanarlvuul72oh9@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 00:46:24 -0400, JF Mezei( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:   >Dirk Munk wrote:a? >> I suppose you are referering to the TCPIP$SMPT_SFF utility ?a< >> If so then it has been documented for some time now ..... >oF >Yep, my mistake. it was SFF. But this is what the documentation says: > % >The parameters for this routine are:o > infile_nameM >	Specifies the name of the text file that contains the RFC 822 mail message.  > logfd? >	Specifies the file to which to log diagnostic messages. <etc>s > log_level3 >	Specifies the level of diagnostics to use:  <etc>s >0H >> To answer many questions at once: Only the first two lines of the SFFF >> message (with the RFC821 headers) are of importance to the utility. >uM >But the documentation states that the input file contains only RFC822 which,IL >in email parlance, is the bodypart of the message, whereas the commands youI >enter in the SMTP dialogue (RFC821) build the actual delivery enveloppe.   E I will have to check the new documenation if anything has changed. WelE are using the SFF utility in batch mode, sending customers details ofp their bills.  ? We construct a text file containting out of the RFC821 headers,.D RFC2822 headers, a small text body, and mime attachements. This text3 files is then passed to SFF. Works like a dream ...    >_N >I seem to recall the "before it was documented" documentation which explainedK >that one had to prefix the RFC8222 message with the proper RFC821 commands K >that are used to communicate with a SMTP server (HELO, MAIL FROM, MAIL TO,4 >DATA etc).  >3M >But the V5.1 TCPIP Services Management Manual (TCPIP 5.1) contains the abover! >text which talks only of RFC822.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:17:32 -0400G0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: SMTP mail: SFF facility/ Message-ID: <3E1C5D2B.6F320A18@vl.videotron.ca>n   Dirk Munk wrote:A > We construct a text file containting out of the RFC821 headers, F > RFC2822 headers, a small text body, and mime attachements. This text5 > files is then passed to SFF. Works like a dream ...i  L I've sent a message to the vms documentation folks telling them to reconcileM the differences between the manual and the Ask the Wizzard archive that had arH more complete documentation on SFF (which includes the RFC821 commands).  I Out of curiosity, (well, for when I get to it), does SFF allow sending totK multiple different recipients on different hosts, or is that the job of the J application to generate one SFF call for each host to receive email ? (eg:0 multiple TOs allowed for the same target host) ?  ; Or must it generate one copy of the message per recipient ?a  M (I ask this in the context of messages sent to multiple recipients but one oraM more recipients cannot immediatly be reached and the SMTP software retries atyJ regular intervals over a few days until all recipients got their message).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 07:44:15 +0100F From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>& Subject: Re: TN5250 terminal emulation8 Message-ID: <bshn1vs6e6u343na5fpvqu6s27nq8p7bd6@4ax.com>  C On 7 Jan 2003 08:53:56 -0800, hot_pash@yahoo.com (astro man) wrote:   U >Is it possible to accomplish TN5250 emulation to an AS/400 from DEC Windows OpenVMS?t  = Yes, there are some products that will give you AS/400 <> VMSd communication. l  A More then 5 years ago I installed and ran such software. It was aB# German product, and it worked fine.1  D It gave us a SNA stack, IBM printer emulation on VMS (the AS/400 saw@ the VMS system as a printer) and TN5250 emulation on VT screens.   It wasn't cheap though.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:48:33 -0700r+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>t= Subject: VAX version of GNUPG (GNU Privacy Guard aka GNU PGP)e' Message-ID: <3E1C7281.2070408@MMaz.com>s  D I'm looking for current, or as current as I can get, of sources for I GNUPG for the VAX, VMS 7.2.  I've located Alpha sources over at Caltech,  E but ideally if I can get VAX sources, or even compiled objects, that o8 would save me a lot of grief...  Anyone have any leads??   Regards,   Barrya   -- 0  @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028@   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jan 2003 09:03:07 -0800i' From: neustadt_j@subway.com (JNeustadt)n Subject: VMS Issues < Message-ID: <38a4ca5.0301080903.2415ed43@posting.google.com>   Hi All,q  B Running Open VMS version 7.2-1 and recently have had problems withB programs that have been running fine for years.  One in particular> when trying to conver a .rpt document to a .ps we received the following error:  B %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed -NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000  ? Does anybody know what this is about and how to prevent it fromn1 happening again?  All help is greatly appreciated    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 19:13:57 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> Subject: Re: VMS Issuesa& Message-ID: <3E1C6A65.6040107@Free.fr>   JNeustadt wrote:	 > Hi All,e > D > Running Open VMS version 7.2-1 and recently have had problems withD > programs that have been running fine for years.  One in particular@ > when trying to conver a .rpt document to a .ps we received the > following error: > D > %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed -NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number
 > 00000000 > A > Does anybody know what this is about and how to prevent it fromw3 > happening again?  All help is greatly appreciatedc  H in interactive mode? Should have some more info from %SYSTEM-F-blablabla# in batch mode? Please post the .logi  G Also, do a $reply/enable and a $set audit/alarm/ena=file=fail=all then  C restart, this should trigger some more valuable info on the reason.-   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:36:09 -0500s' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com>  Subject: Re: VMS Issues = Message-ID: <ad_S9.246$Z74.958@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>l   JNeustadt wrote:	 > Hi All,h > D > Running Open VMS version 7.2-1 and recently have had problems withD > programs that have been running fine for years.  One in particular@ > when trying to conver a .rpt document to a .ps we received the > following error: > D > %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed -NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number
 > 00000000 > A > Does anybody know what this is about and how to prevent it froms3 > happening again?  All help is greatly appreciateda  E Sounds like something is preventing the output file (.ps) from being  F created.  Could be a number of things, but ACP create errors could be:  C (1) Out of disk space (no just blocks but allocation space as well a  depending on your cluster size).) (2) Disk quotas enabled and out of quota.V; (3) Weren't using disk quotas and somehow they got enabled. / (4) Exceed maximum files allowed on the volume.e  B Might want to check protections as well, though I'm not sure that F insufficient privileges generates an ACP create error, but my VMS now E has some holes in it.  (Jumped from v5 to v7.1 with no inbetween and a some memory loss...)   -----i Chris Oliven Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporationr Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec AT indy DOT raytheon DOT com   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:55:26 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e Subject: Re: VMS MIME ; Message-ID: <01KQZMZJZU2A9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r   > > ... : > > Out of curiosity, what happens when you SET TERM/HARD? > - > You're not surprised by the answer are you?u  ( > Just for fun, try to explain this one; >  > $ sear mime.outf  # > 66 lines of two spaces each??????   B I think the existence of this mime "tool" conclusively proves the G existence of a Microsoft spy in VMS engineering.  Now why didn't I buy eA that original Enterprise command chair on Ebay so I could hit theEF communicator button and say "Security" then turn to Uhura and say "red& alert---there's an intruder onboard"?    Wait---I hear Scotty's voice:   & $  SET ACCENT/TYPE=(SCOTTISH,IMITATED) $  TYPE SYS$INPUT   H I can give ye power to the shields, but I can't give ye warp drive.  TheH Klingons have infiltrated the engines with a wee beastie which fills ourD dilithium crystals with rows and rows of spaces.  I might be able toE jerry-rig it by hand, but I'll have to get into the Jeffries tube andsH cut through the bulkhead with a phaser, and that will take until the end of the episode.    $  SET ACCENT/NOTYPE   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:49:34 +0000r- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>o Subject: Re: VMS MIMEp/ Message-ID: <v1o41eld3m8i70@corp.supernews.com>    Phillip Helbig wrote:p   > >>... : > >>Out of curiosity, what happens when you SET TERM/HARD? > >d. > >You're not surprised by the answer are you? >  >w) > >Just for fun, try to explain this one;  > >n > >$ sear mime.out >  >u$ > >66 lines of two spaces each?????? >p >lC > I think the existence of this mime "tool" conclusively proves theiH > existence of a Microsoft spy in VMS engineering.  Now why didn't I buyC > that original Enterprise command chair on Ebay so I could hit thewH > communicator button and say "Security" then turn to Uhura and say "red( > alert---there's an intruder onboard"?   > I seem to recall (perhaps wrongly :-) that there were internalA discussions within Compaq/DEC at the time this was being written.-9 I really didn't get the impression of quality from these.0= AFAIR the programmer was Mike something, and he really wanted:: to call the utility "Pike" rather than "Mime" (although my memory is hazy).  C Oh that DEC had bought Innosoft (fine makers of PMDF), and we wouldsD not be having this discussion today.  Talking of which, is Ned Freed6 and the rest of the gang still working on PMDF stuff ?  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:40:04 -00003 From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.removespam.ie>E Subject: Re: VMS MIMEM* Message-ID: <avh9jd$3eg$1@kermit.esat.net>  : "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message) news:v1o41eld3m8i70@corp.supernews.com...P > Phillip Helbig wrote:-E > Oh that DEC had bought Innosoft (fine makers of PMDF), and we would F > not be having this discussion today.  Talking of which, is Ned Freed8 > and the rest of the gang still working on PMDF stuff ?  E Innosoft was bought out by Sun/iPlanet.  The Solaris port of PMDF wasdJ borgified into the iPlanet software, and the VMS, NT & False-64 ports wereK sold to Process Software (the same guys who do TCPWare and Multinet).  TheyoJ have just brought out their second upgrade (V6.2) of the product, and it'sL still going strong.  If you have it, then sending/receiving MIME attachments( interactively or by batch works a treat.   Regardso  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------hJ Tom Wade    | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie  (all domain mailers).G EuroKom     | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom;a=eirmail400;c=ier& 30, Dale Rd | Tel:   +353 (1) 278-7878& Stillorgan  | Fax:   +353 (1) 278-78793 Co Dublin   | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimer @ Ireland     | Tip:         "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:09:52 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)L Subject: Re: VMS MIME-+ Message-ID: <avhbfg$269$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>2  ` In article <avh9jd$3eg$1@kermit.esat.net>, "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.removespam.ie> writes: >?; >"Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message>* >news:v1o41eld3m8i70@corp.supernews.com... >> Phillip Helbig wrote:F >> Oh that DEC had bought Innosoft (fine makers of PMDF), and we wouldG >> not be having this discussion today.  Talking of which, is Ned Freedt9 >> and the rest of the gang still working on PMDF stuff ?u > F >Innosoft was bought out by Sun/iPlanet.  The Solaris port of PMDF wasK >borgified into the iPlanet software, and the VMS, NT & False-64 ports wereuL >sold to Process Software (the same guys who do TCPWare and Multinet).  TheyK >have just brought out their second upgrade (V6.2) of the product, and it'sCM >still going strong.  If you have it, then sending/receiving MIME attachments@) >interactively or by batch works a treat.c >c >Regards  J I believe Process still sell and support PMDF on Solaris as well for thoseB on Solaris who haven't or don't want to migrate to SunOne/iPlanet.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University r   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:08:35 +0100 (MET)p9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e Subject: Re: VMS MIMEi; Message-ID: <01KQZW0XWX6QA24IEW@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>f  < > "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message+ > news:v1o41eld3m8i70@corp.supernews.com...s > > Phillip Helbig wrote: G > > Oh that DEC had bought Innosoft (fine makers of PMDF), and we would H > > not be having this discussion today.  Talking of which, is Ned Freed: > > and the rest of the gang still working on PMDF stuff ?  ; Just to clarify, I didn't say the above (probably Roy did).p   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 17:30:30 +0100=9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>M Subject: Re: VMS MIME-' Message-ID: <3E1C5226.AB99552C@aaa.com>=   Tom Wade wrote:= > ) > Innosoft was bought out by Sun/iPlanet._  $ Wasn't DELIVER once a part of PMDF ?) I'v no problem with DELIVER as it is, butp! it's used on a critical server...-  4 The DELIVER.MEM file have the following references :  ; Ned Freed,    Innosoft International, Inc,      14-Jul-1989e   andX  ; Dick Munroe,  Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc.,  09-Jun-1992g     Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.016 ************************