0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 11 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 22      Contents: Re: File attributes  Re: From the Rdb maillist... Re: From the Rdb maillist... RE: From the Rdb maillist...) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ) Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail ' Re: Looks like AMD has deep pockets now  Re: Spiralog anyone? Re: Spiralog anyone? Re: Spiralog anyone?" Re: Unable to access Telnet or FTP unknown Qbus SCSI controller? ! Re: unknown Qbus SCSI controller? ; VAX boot time drivers, was: Re: JF and backporting features  Re: What does RWCLU mean? ' Re: [OT] someone knows mindleaders.com?  Re: [ot] Windows "defense"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:09:41 GMT ! From: no man <noman@is.an.island>  Subject: Re: File attributes/ Message-ID: <1104_1042283381@news.zetnet.co.uk>   Y On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:59:02 +0530, "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> wrote:  >  > Hi , > N > I was looking for a DCL command to list the file attributes but no luck. Can$ > some one please help me with this. >  > I am using VAX machine  ( $  DUMP/BLOCK=COUNT=0/HEADER  <filespec>  / shows the information from the INDEXF.SYS entry  --  < Apologies for anonymity, but this spam evasion is new to me.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:32:01 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> % Subject: Re: From the Rdb maillist... ' Message-ID: <3E1FF2A1.86AEDEFC@aaa.com>   ( Goto "www.jcc.com" and follow the links.  	 Welcome ! 	 Jan-Erik.    Tom Linden wrote:  >   > How do you get onto that list? >  > >-----Original Message----- 0 > >From: Jan-Erik Sderholm [mailto:aaa@aaa.com] > > 8 > >This was posted tonight on the Oracle Rdb mail-list : > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:29:22 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>% Subject: Re: From the Rdb maillist... ) Message-ID: <3E205472.5050106@vajhoej.dk>    Tom Linden wrote:   > How do you get onto that list?  . http://www.vajhoej.dk/arne/vms/vms_forum.htmlx  * has almost any list that is VMS relevant !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 09:33:57 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> % Subject: RE: From the Rdb maillist... 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEGEGGAA.tom@kednos.com>   : Useful info, thanks.  Maybe I should start a VMS-PLI list?   >-----Original Message----- + >From: Arne Vajhj [mailto:arne@vajhoej.dk] ) >Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:29 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& >Subject: Re: From the Rdb maillist... >  >  >Tom Linden wrote:! >> How do you get onto that list?  > / >http://www.vajhoej.dk/arne/vms/vms_forum.htmlx  > + >has almost any list that is VMS relevant !  >  >Arne  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 2003 06:26:47 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) 2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-FJZwNEGPPIXm@localhost>   D On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:24:08 UTC,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  
 <Big snip>  H > I will continue to use VMS mail for mail and Madgoat Newsrdr for news.F > I'm generally happy with where I can go with Netscape 3.03 and, if IH > can't go somewhere on the net with Netscape 3.03, then it wasn't worth > the trip.  > G > I simply want to see this Mozilla thing work despite the fact that it H > is the single most bloated gluttonous piece of software I have instal-G > led on any VMS box.  I do not have any ambitions to replace VMS mail, G > Madgoat Newsrdr or Netscape 3.03 with it... at least, not until I can H > see the product's display appear in less time time than it takes me to+ > polish off the morning's pot of coffee.     B I see that you resolved the X-Display problem you were having the 1 first time you tried Mozilla. What was the cause?   @ w.r.t. bloat - I tried the OS/2 version - big, slow loading and A nothing that comes to mind as a reason for changing. I still use  7 Netscape and/or Opera under OS/2 and Opera on WinDoze.     --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:09:25 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail0 Message-ID: <00A19CD1.38F4504E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-FJZwNEGPPIXm@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes: E >On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:24:08 UTC,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >  ><Big snip>  > I >> I will continue to use VMS mail for mail and Madgoat Newsrdr for news. G >> I'm generally happy with where I can go with Netscape 3.03 and, if I I >> can't go somewhere on the net with Netscape 3.03, then it wasn't worth 
 >> the trip.   >>  H >> I simply want to see this Mozilla thing work despite the fact that itI >> is the single most bloated gluttonous piece of software I have instal- H >> led on any VMS box.  I do not have any ambitions to replace VMS mail,H >> Madgoat Newsrdr or Netscape 3.03 with it... at least, not until I canI >> see the product's display appear in less time time than it takes me to , >> polish off the morning's pot of coffee.   > C >I see that you resolved the X-Display problem you were having the  2 >first time you tried Mozilla. What was the cause?  H Mozilla doesn't like 8-bit displays; only 24-bit displays.  What amuses H me about this is that it was written to run on a 2 bit operating system.      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:03:31 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail5 Message-ID: <D7YT9.111035$Gg2.1069657@news.chello.at>   ] In article <3E1C68C8.7050104@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:  >VAXman- wrote:  >>  J >> Whatever version is currently available for download from the VMS site. > 1 >You mean "from the mozilla.org site", I suppose?  > H > From the VMS site (HP?) you'll get CSWB, which is a few versions late 0 >from the latest MOZ release (but works anyway).  @ Nope. Both (MOZILLA and CSWB) are available from the VMS site...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2003 11:28:54 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>0 Subject: Re: Looks like AMD has deep pockets now6 Message-ID: <20030111112854.27848.qmail@gacracker.org>  6 On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >Bob Ceculski wrote:   <snip>  F >> with intel having alpha and the alpha engineers, no one is going to >> kick their $#!& ... > 7 >Oh no here we go again, the Alpha inside Itanium troll  >strikes again.   A Couldn't you just put Captain "InstantWhip" Bob in your killfile?   > Yea, err... right. You'd lose 9 out of 10 excuses for posting.     Doc. --  : Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...J ~ VAXman@comp.os.vms                                https://vmsbox.cjb.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:10:27 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: Spiralog anyone? ) Message-ID: <3E205003.5010002@vajhoej.dk>    Charlie Hammond wrote:C > There are some cases in which a log based file system can provide J > good performance.  However, for most cases, Spiralog achieved acceptableI > performance only by the use of a LARGE buffer space.  And in most cases J > Files-11 provided the same or better performance with less buffer space.  ; It was my impression that Spiralog was the perfect solution  for a scenario with:*    size of memory cache = size of database7 then all reads would come from the cache and all writes @ would go through to the disk, that could write at optimal speed.  8 Unfortunatetly with the memory prices for Alpha's at the' time, then that was rather unrealistic.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:12:49 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: Spiralog anyone? ' Message-ID: <3E205091.70306@vajhoej.dk>    Charlie Hammond wrote:C > There are some cases in which a log based file system can provide J > good performance.  However, for most cases, Spiralog achieved acceptableI > performance only by the use of a LARGE buffer space.  And in most cases J > Files-11 provided the same or better performance with less buffer space.  ; It was my impression that Spiralog was the perfect solution  for a scenario with:*    size of memory cache = size of database7 then all reads would come from the cache and all writes @ would go through to the disk, that could write at optimal speed.  8 Unfortunatetly with the memory prices for Alpha's at the' time, then that was rather unrealistic.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:16:26 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Spiralog anyone? 2 Message-ID: <uEidnbtUbZ0Wwr2jXTWcoQ@metrocast.net>  0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message! news:3E205091.70306@vajhoej.dk...  > Charlie Hammond wrote:E > > There are some cases in which a log based file system can provide L > > good performance.  However, for most cases, Spiralog achieved acceptableK > > performance only by the use of a LARGE buffer space.  And in most cases L > > Files-11 provided the same or better performance with less buffer space. > = > It was my impression that Spiralog was the perfect solution  > for a scenario with:, >    size of memory cache = size of database9 > then all reads would come from the cache and all writes B > would go through to the disk, that could write at optimal speed.  L Yup, that's the rationale behind log-structured storage, going right back toD Mendel Rosenblum's thesis well over a decade ago.  And it's about asK forward-looking as it was back then ("Memory prices will soon be low enough J to make caching everything feasible!" - yeah, right, with individual disksJ rapidly heading toward the terabyte level and memory still around 100x the' cost of the same amount of disk space).   L Of course, even if you can afford all that memory this also assumes that youG have an operating environment that will stay up long enough to make the J initial overhead of populating the cache tolerable.  E.g., at 50 MB/sec itG takes about an hour just to stream out the contents of a 200 GB disk if K you're doing nothing else with it - or multiple hours of sluggish operation ; if you don't want to include an hour in your boot-up delay.   C Once you remove the assumption that most reads hit in cache, use of K log-structuring for general-purpose storage becomes less tenable.  However, J for *some* kinds of data it's still nearly optimal, even without that muchL caching - so what you want is a hybrid system that handles data according toJ how it's used (which must often be inferred from how it is structured, butL once such a system exists a feedback loop exists that helps cause developers% to structure the data appropriately).   K I'd hoped to have one completed by now, but Itanic refused to do the decent L thing and just fade away.  OTOH, the additional year+ has allowed aspects to0 come together better, so it's not all lost time.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2003 09:34:22 -0800 From: ramguy9@hotmail.com (Ram) + Subject: Re: Unable to access Telnet or FTP = Message-ID: <9cf05b43.0301110934.699a54b8@posting.google.com>    Thank you for the response.   E I am not using DHCP. I assigned static IP. Firewall used is a Netgear 
 RT311 router.   B I have sent an email to the process.com guys asking for the TCP/IPE stacks. Once I get this I will change the systems to use DHCP from my  Firewall and then try.  6 Please let me know if there are any other suggestions.   Thanks,    Ram   	 ********* l brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote in message news:<BcFR9.626714$QZ.92283@sccrnsc02>...P > In article <s1FR9.4910$j5.60587@news>, "Ram Guy" <ramguy9@hotmail.com> writes: > 	 > Hi Guy,  > N > We'll need more details regarding your network stack, and your network setup > (DHCP, firewall, etc.) > P > I was able to get my hobbyist system going on my home network, but I needed toM > use a TCP/IP stack other than the one distributed on the hobbyist CD, which ! > does not have support for DHCP.  > P > The good folks at process.com ( http://www.process.com/openvms/hobbyist.html )P > allow for hobbyist use of their two TCP/IP stacks (Multinet and TCPware), both! > of which have support for DHCP.  > P > Please provide some more information, and we should be able to help get you up > and running on your network.C > _________________________________________________________________ 2 > Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"1 > bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:46:52 +0100 . From: Dennis Grevenstein <dennis@pcde.inka.de>& Subject: unknown Qbus SCSI controller?, Message-ID: <3E202E5C.6068A2F0@pcde.inka.de>   Hi,   / I've just found two unknown Dilog Qbus boards.  : They are both from 1987 and there is "SQ7" writen on them.= google gives some hints that these might be SCSI controllers,  but maybe only for tape drives.  Can anybody tell me more?    mfg  Dennis   --  C Es gibt leider Programme, bei denen man das dokumentierte Verhalten  erst programmieren mu. C                        Rainer Weikusat (de.comp.os.unix.discussion)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:11:34 -0500 3 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> * Subject: Re: unknown Qbus SCSI controller?5 Message-ID: <ASYT9.10769$AH4.7669@news.bellsouth.net>   H FWIW - The only Dilog Qbus board I know of is the DQ226.  Don't know any more than that.     ; "Dennis Grevenstein" <dennis@pcde.inka.de> wrote in message & news:3E202E5C.6068A2F0@pcde.inka.de... > Hi,  > 0 > I've just found two unknown Dilog Qbus boards.< > They are both from 1987 and there is "SQ7" writen on them.? > google gives some hints that these might be SCSI controllers, ! > but maybe only for tape drives.  > Can anybody tell me more?  >  > mfg  > Dennis >  > --E > Es gibt leider Programme, bei denen man das dokumentierte Verhalten  > erst programmieren mu. E >                        Rainer Weikusat (de.comp.os.unix.discussion)    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2003 12:29:23 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)D Subject: VAX boot time drivers, was: Re: JF and backporting features3 Message-ID: <XqU4fLb1XHs0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3E1DBE25.C6E8F1B3@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:3 >> "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message K >> >   The OpenVMS VAX VMB image is built into the VAXstation ROM.  VMB has K >> >   boot drivers built into it.  These boot drivers use the then-current - >> >   SCSI command set for their operations.  > F > Do these drivers remain in control even after VMS has fully booted ?  M No. There is a specific point during the VMS boot sequence on VAX when device J I/O operations are transferred by VMS from the VMB boot drivers to the VMSM ones. It's been at least 3 years since I've examined the VAX startup sequence K so I can't remember the fine details, but IIRC, it occurs shortly after the % initial VMS version header is output.   O You may also be interested to know that the VMB drivers (even the supplementary J ones loaded via MOP) are much more tolerant of device protocol errors than. the VMS ones are. (Personal experience here!).   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       & "This is VMS. Viruses are irrelevant."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:35:26 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>" Subject: Re: What does RWCLU mean?5 Message-ID: <avp6j1$i7tf3$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   5 "Saminda C F Lam" <ccminda@ust.hk> schreef in bericht  news:3E1E9FE6.60809@ust.hk... C > What does RWCLU mean?  The manual says "Resource Wait for Cluster I > Transition".  I found processes in RWCLU state on an Alpha cluster.  Is A > it indicative of some resource problem?  If so, what resources?  >  > Thanks in advance,	 > Saminda  > F A cluster transition may happen when a node leaves the cluster and theL remaining nodes (including the votes of an optional quorum disk) do not haveB enough combined votes to meet the last known quorum value. Now theI explanation for RWCLU is somewhat ambiguous: it may be read as a resource L wait before the system is able to enter the cluster transition or that it isI actually in  the transition state. The latter case would make sense since H while in cluster transition it is actually waiting for resources: enough= votes to meet the quorum value and continue normal operation.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:10:46 +0100 ! From: RayVes <rayner98@online.no> 0 Subject: Re: [OT] someone knows mindleaders.com?8 Message-ID: <rv802vkm20pnqmqro18e7ah0c6e5fvkff7@4ax.com>  2 On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 21:27:01 +0100, Didier Morandi& <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote:  3 >Did someone ever tried eLearning from MindLeaders?  > / >http://www.mindleaders.com/catalog/sapr01.html  >(for example :-)  >  >Thanks, >  >D.      Hi,   F I've tried and is still using a lot of courses made by mindleaders andE I find them very good and informative. I have not done the SAP course F thou, but judging from the courses I've done I think it is safe to say  that you will find it very good.F If interested I can offer you all mindleader courses through a partnerF program with full resell rights. Contact me and I'll give you a 7 daysD free, full access, no obligation trial including the SAP R/3 course.    
 Best regards,  Rayner Vestgard  www.it-home.biz/systemx    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 03 09:16:12 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) # Subject: Re: [ot] Windows "defense" ) Message-ID: <8Czil+Eo4HjL@elias.decus.ch>   P In article <3E1CB854.6030807@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:B >  > http://www.bugtoaster.com/DW15/Support/FAQDetail.asp?FAQID=15 >  >H >  > excerpt: "The reason Microsoft products show up so predominantly onE >  > the Bugtoaster Top Crashers list is because almost every product E >  > sold relies in some way on a Microsoft provided function. If you E >  > call the function from badly behaved code, something is going to C >  > have a chance to crash. Many of these crashes are not strictly  >  > Microsoft's fault. "  > 3 > Ow! Who do I sue for that bit of mental whiplash?  >   F Er, can I join you there? In the first sentence they are implying thatJ even the most solidly writeen program can crash because it's relying on M$ provided functions.   ; In the second sentence they go on to blame the application.   D The next paragraph takes my breath away, as they mention MSIE having( more crashes because more people use it.  	 To recap:   M o - Write the most solid program you can - it will still fall over because of      the underlying OS.< o - If you write a crap program, it isn't Microsnot's fault. o - MSIE crashes a lot. ( o - None of this is Microschrott's fault  I Delicious logic at work here. On the one hand accuse anyone whose program B crashes for using the OS improperly. On the other hand quote an M$' written program as crashing frequently.    F > So, let me get this straight: everytime IE crashes, it's not really D > IE's fault, but some other software?  Whew.  And I thought it was / > because there was a bug in IE.  Good to know.  > 0 > The operative term, I believe, is "tautology". >  --  
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